pvp

[summer plinth]

Can someone remind me? Assassination is still fine to play in solo after the changes today?

[spark egret]

No

It's dead

Gotta reroll

Try warrior now

[summer plinth]

🤔

[spark egret]

Assa is good if you're good.

[graceful ravine]

are servers up?

[spark egret]

If you dont like it or aren't good at it play something else

Like dont fotm hop

[summer plinth]

I'm still learning. It's fun and I enjoy it

Definitely not fotm hopping just trying something new

[spark egret]

Well then keep playing it

It's not going to be dead. It's just going to be harder. If you like it and get good at it you'll climb

[tight veldt]

time to respec envenom kekw

[potent pivot]

Except it’s not misinformation bruh

[spark egret]

Eh whatever trickz

[potent pivot]

It varies from person to person, PC to PC

[spark egret]

We've moved on

It's mostly anecdotal ye

[potent pivot]

You say that, but stop spreading misinformation

[spark egret]

[graceful ravine]

i like elvui for the filters on debuffs/buffs

the bis underused feature imo

[wicked rampart]

That's probably the main thing I miss without it so far tbh

[graceful ravine]

filtered my unitframe to show only dots

instead of the 100 useless debuffs you usually see

to know when i can restealth etc

same with target frame, show only dots on debuffs so u know when to gouge/sap

aura bars are cool too

[waxen meteor]

hmm, NA is online?

or it's old screens

[graceful ravine]

old

[waxen meteor]

👍

@graceful ravine Dayv you got some suggestions against Survivals?

and DemoLock

[graceful ravine]

try to eat traps

step to healer when hunter uses stun

and pray to rng

line tyrant, kill obeklisk

[waxen meteor]

I think more like do you target them or ignore them

[warm lance]

Wish my boomer brain could react to hunter stuns like that

[graceful ravine]

you should be tracking their stun cd, have a step available

[waxen meteor]

My struggles are:

1. For survival, if you leave them alone, they fucking clean bleeding all the time, and you kidney deathmark almost always gets cleaned.

[graceful ravine]

surv is hard tho cos they dispel our shit

[waxen meteor]

but if i target them, and kidney him to avoid he cleans bleeding, some of them kites very well

and they don't have super dmg anyway

so it seems to be a hard decision

[lucid citrus]

servers are up

[graceful ravine]

u have to watch their mending bandage cd

if they use it before deathmark, you have a small window

[waxen meteor]

Sounds good, but that seems to be too short CD

fuck it

[graceful ravine]

30 sec

[waxen meteor]

..

sounds like targetting survival is the way to go

I hope it at least is not casted by pet

[graceful ravine]

lol more tier in my vault

not that i need it

got 4 tier pieces out of 7-8 vaults so far lmao

remember to pick sockets out of your vault today bc unlimited conq next week

[waxen meteor]

oh really?

so new ult can catch up in a couple of days?

[graceful ravine]

yes, thats why i made a 2nd rogue

😛

all 4 tier pieces unlocked too next week

[waxen meteor]

you can still play with mine, i still havne't reached 2400 😦

everybody with elite title in my lobby

[fierce laurel]

So glad I took sockets 4 times lol

[waxen meteor]

was close yesterday but then i had a big loss in survival lobby

[fierce laurel]

Will have perfect gear when I get my next 9 focused primals

[graceful ravine]

u still need 9??

thats crazy lol

[waxen meteor]

it took me one week to cut the gems 😦

crafting system been confusing to me

[sharp sierra]

2050 with 2170 mmr

1-6

[fierce laurel]

I want lariat and ring.

I’ve got 11 this season.

[sharp sierra]

I JUST WANT THE TITLE AND CLOAK FFS

[waxen meteor]

Dueliest you mean?

[sharp sierra]

yes

legit my only goal for the season

[waxen meteor]

don't worry you will get there

i try to get elite as first season back to wow after 10+ years, making small progress each week

[sharp sierra]

elite seems too stressful

[waxen meteor]

it's alright, tbh i don't feel i am outplayed in the lobbies

just i feel so struggle in some lobbies

i don't know all skills from other classes that closely

[sharp sierra]

melee lobbies are the worst

[waxen meteor]

a 12 year gap doesn't help to build the knowleedge

[vocal surge]

alright

time to see if theres gonna be a ton of warlocks

[sharp sierra]

im pvping for the first time ever and 2000 doesnt seem too bad but i get flamed way too much by others in ss

when i dont know what happens what x spell does

[waxen meteor]

and i play without soudn haha

that doesn't help as well

[sharp sierra]

pvp with sound is cock and ball torture gay porn bro

especially with warriors

[waxen meteor]

i was used to some verbal warnings about upcoming skill and trinket

now everything is by eyes

[bold bison]

I just lost 75 rating for a 2-4, queued 30 minutes for another lobby and it was double Prot Pala

some absolute dog warrior got a 6-0 out of it just pressing W and doing nothing else

[jolly sierra]

tell me US players, how are going SS lobbies RN?

[waxen meteor]

you spoke like we all have logged on

[jolly sierra]

yeah

u are high end pvp players

[winter pier]

WHICH SLOTS are best for tier?

[jolly sierra]

should be like that KEK

[sharp sierra]

tier is dead tomorrow

[warm lance]

Nah

[sharp sierra]

outlaw is my new best friend

[waxen meteor]

4 tier + conquer hand.
or 4 tier + craft head

[warm lance]

Tier is not dead

[waxen meteor]

btw, even if tier is dead, it's already dead, isn't it?

or the nerf comes tmr??

or it's some EU time thing

[warm lance]

For EU its tomorrow

[jolly sierra]

why should be dead if 10% is still a 10%

[waxen meteor]

i will start to play more deadly + amp this week

[warm lance]

Because thinking about stuff logically isnt a thing we do in the wow world

[jolly sierra]

we are playing in a fantasy world

[waxen meteor]

i don't see any reason to use wound anymore if teammate has MS

[jolly sierra]

so our mentality is like that sometimes

[warm lance]

And instead look at % then get angery and say something is dead right away without actually looking at what it affects

[jolly sierra]

the thing than has me curious is

[waxen meteor]

does SP have any form of MS?

[warm lance]

Psyfiend

Thats it

[jolly sierra]

how WP from deathmark works with regular one

[warm lance]

afaik

[jolly sierra]

yeah, psyfiend

[waxen meteor]

45 sec CD with 50% heal reduction?

[potent pivot]

I’ll agree there are some great functionalities to it tbf. I just find much more clarity and info with the base ui

[waxen meteor]

does it have PvP modification?

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[waxen meteor]

boss i need something that shows my teammate's target like old days

[jolly sierra]

pvp multiplier is 1

so not

[waxen meteor]

that

seems super solid

[jolly sierra]

u still have shiv outside psyfiend, but dunno if amp would be a good idea RN

[waxen meteor]

i have been using it even before this week

i personally feel it's better

[warm lance]

this random guy tries to invite me without a warning and sais "i need u mate" then when i ask who he is and why i should care i just get "thats mean"

mofuka im in que

And i dont know you

[jolly sierra]

sometimes my guildies throws me invites inside arena matches

and i fkn lose cuz i got distracted

after that i flame them and tell them to leave me alone, if they says something like "then accept" i just ignore them

[warm lance]

He still hasnt given me a response as to why i should care to join his party and instead goes "you dont have any friends right"

Well now youve lost your one chance

[jolly sierra]

f

i never read random whisps anyways

sometimes the guy just says "hello" and then nothing more

[warm lance]

i mean yeah all i got was "hey mate", then a minute or two later an invite

[jolly sierra]

invites are obnoxious af when u are busy in something

[warm lance]

Im not even busy atm

I just would expect basic courtesy when asking for help on something

[jolly sierra]

ah ofc

[warm lance]

Im just standing around in valdrakken waiting for arena que

[jolly sierra]

to avoid stuff like that

i usually go to the bottom of the map and hides in stealth

[warm lance]

I dont even see the guy anywhere

he prob just did /who or something

[fierce laurel]

You can’t gouge kick or stun psyfiend can you?

[jolly sierra]

nope

[fierce laurel]

This warrior disarmed me at the same time a psyfiend dropped yesterday. Felt so bad.

[terse mountain]

What's the benefit of double garrote considering it doesn't stack?

[spark egret]

Like in the opener?

You mean on 2 diff targets or the same

[terse mountain]

The same target

[warm lance]

you dont do it on same target tho

[jolly sierra]

those bastards

already buffed panda food

210 versa for free

[terse mountain]

Hmm will try to find the guide I was looking at, said garrote->garrote. Thought maybe there was a reason for it

[warm lance]

garrote 2 targets

[spark egret]

It's probably max duration garrote + less energy more CP

[wicked rampart]

Even on one target you still get pandemic duration added, and assuming it's from stealth and you are running shrouded you are getting 6 CP's for 2 globals.

If it's into a caster it's an efficient way to safely open to a kidney without having to spend MFD

[terse mountain]

Ahhh okay I understand now, thank you for that

[spark egret]

Dont you still kidney on the opener with mfd

[wicked rampart]

But yes generally you would be spread garroting instead

[spark egret]

Even with garrote

Garrote garrote rupture mfd kidney ect

[warm lance]

I tend to mfd kidney around the end of the silence which is after the rupture anyway

[spark egret]

Ye

[wicked rampart]

Gar > Gar > Kidney > ER > rup > exsang is pretty beefy

[terse mountain]

I usually mfd -> kidney all my openings but I'll do the above^

[spark egret]

I almost never get a full opner anyway

I always get cc on opner and trained

[terse mountain]

i guess the double garr is predominantly for casters and useless on plate?

[warm lance]

the opener is dependant on what youre up against

[spark egret]

Even if I wait 20 seconds

They gonna turn on me

As soon as I open

[spark egret]

Ye

[warm lance]

It also might change on circumstance alot

[jolly sierra]

i always have a dumb melee running straight to the other team

so i cant sap lol

[terse mountain]

How would you open on a warrior, for example. Would you still garrote just to get dots up?

[warm lance]

against melee you can mfd kidney open, garrote both melee then rupture the kidney target and go from there

Always garrote during the empower window you crazy

[terse mountain]

ahh okay

[jolly sierra]

directly kidney

[warm lance]

Just casually your highest damage ability

[jolly sierra]

else u will be stormbolted

[warm lance]

I tend to fuck with warrs alot and force their trinket right away with mfd kid-garr 2 targets if i can, rupture, er Dismantle and envenom spam

Many times they just sit it and theyre behind heavily, or if they trinket theyre still behind

And I can go again in 29seconds with DM

dismantle at the end of kidney

[summer plinth]

what is ER?

[graceful ravine]

4 out of 5 top solo shufflers in EU all sub

😮

[jolly sierra]

😮

[small nexus]

i seriously don't get that - when i play sub i do negative dmg

but i suck aswell xD

[warm lance]

Sub is extremely good

[graceful ravine]

it is very easy to overlap defensive cds in shuffle

which is something the god tier sub rogues will capitalize on

not me tho

i play assa cos i like easy mode

[lyric onyx]

lmfaoo

[abstract brook]

do any of you guys know an addon whewre you can control the order of your party and the enemy parties arena frame order

[terse mountain]

Echoing reprimand I guess

[summer plinth]

yeah, I figured that out finally xD

[jolly sierra]

got a leaver

but won CR anyways

[waxen meteor]

Is there a known bug that prevents us to use socket on both conquer rings?

I get a new socket

Right click

[jolly sierra]

the dmg is inhuman, switched to athro+nerve and allowed me to have more presence

[waxen meteor]

can be used on haste conquer ring i got from week1 vault, but cannot use on the mastery one i purhcased from conquer

[jolly sierra]

dunno tbh

try relogging

[worthy crag]

Hows destro feeling after reset, anyone know?

[warm lance]

Hmm I probably should have tried to push 2.1 this week

Just for that slight bit of extra oomph

[lucid citrus]

im seeing lots of rogues going for the verse/haste ring for their second ring instead of crafted

[abstract brook]

question, does it matter which socket you put the ilmitted diamond into?

like head neck ring?

[jolly sierra]

try now before nerf

[warm lance]

Im going to bed to watch a movie

[warm lance]

Sub goes crafted Assa can just go haste ring

[summer plinth]

Gearing question. I am currently using the infurious spirit's hood and i have 3 pc (gloves/shoulders/legs). I wouldn't have enough trophies to upgrade the drakebreaker chest til next week. Do I buy the conquest chest and convert it to tier or buy the helm and convert it to tier for 4 pc?

[minor cape]

question - how did sub suddenly become super good

even tho there werent that many assa nerfs

did people just like

[warm lance]

Its been good

[minor cape]

but at one point there were only assas 3k+ players

and now 4 out of 5 in top are sub

[warm lance]

The community just has this fixation on if a spec is slightly better the others are trash

And only that one is worth playing

Plus Assa is easier to climb with up to a point

[minor cape]

i see

what do you guys think

if i play rotten

is macroing shadow dance with symbols a good thing?

[wicked rampart]

Sub vs Sin is in the same spot it usually is. Sub is giga if you are good and pretty dog if you aren't, Sin is giga (most because of tuning) if you are good and still pretty decent even if you aren't

[minor cape]

im tryna git gud

imagine waiting queue for 15 min for this shit to happen

and then everyone got kicked

[potent pivot]

Because it takes a certain material to get a good ilvl crafted ring

[lone yarrow]

Will the set pieces for assa still be bis after patch?I still havent gotten them, wonder if i should start

[potent pivot]

Yep

[lone yarrow]

Aight, is it just looking for raid?

[potent pivot]

Chest

[wispy holly]

What's the overall strategy for sub? I feel like I just blow my load on the opener and try to one shot people and then die cause I'm squishy as shit and am out of defensives and run out of dance charges so I do shit DPS.

[summer plinth]

Thanks! That is what I was thinking

[potent pivot]

You can convert conquest gear into tier

[wispy holly]

Should I be shadow bladesing on the opener or hold until defensives are baited out then go ham? Should I be conservative with my dance charges? What do I do in between go's?

[potent pivot]

Are you running the vanish shield and extra vanish charge talents?

[wispy holly]

No vanish shield, yes extra vanish charge

[potent pivot]

Run vanish shield

[wispy holly]

Do I just sit in stealth and wait for CDs? I feel like even if I vanish and then don't have any offensive CDs I'm not contributing at all.

[bold bison]

you will contribute approx. zero scoreboard DPS

you can still disarm/gouge CDs, shiv slow onto them and get slice/rupture ready for next go

[worthy crag]

one does not look at dmg board while rolling sub

[wispy holly]

Okay so basically, try and force CDs in opener, then peel until another go happens

[bold bison]

yeah peel, kite and be useful between goes, you can send some finishers for CDR too I suppose

[wispy holly]

cool. Do I pop SB on opener or should I save it?

[bold bison]

honestly you should ping galbirat, he's 600 rating ahead of me

^^

if it's a lobby with people who press trinket I just hold it for Duel cheese

[wispy holly]

How should we be stunning? Kidney off target and chain cheap kill target or Cheap into DR kidney kill target?

[worthy crag]

Thats p situational

"depends" the most unhelpful answer in history

[fierce laurel]

It does so much more damage than a non stealth you can justify putting up the pandemic duration which is an extra 30% by casting it twice in single target situations.

[wispy holly]

And you get full CPs

[fierce laurel]

If the healer trinkets you can-
Kidney blind sap sap sap duel kidney bomb
6,8,8,4,2,5,6,5 seconds of cc.

~35 seconds of cc.

[wispy holly]

If you chain sap off a blind are you sitting in stealth or are you popping dance to get the saps off?

[fierce laurel]

Depends.

If I don’t have dots up I usually vanish clean but if we’re trucking someone and I was going to dance anyway-

The worst is when people try to 5 head the switch and attack the healer I just kidneyed instead of the dps with no defensives

[sharp sierra]

So is sub the way to go now? Or sin still king

[wispy holly]

Last question – do you run any tier for sub?

[potent pivot]

Both are fine

[potent pivot]

Depends on the build kinda

[vocal surge]

Survival Hunter pretty nasty to fight rn

[sharp sierra]

Is it just rares and world quests that drop spark of life?

[potent pivot]

World pvp kills

[summer plinth]

People like to give me grief as assassination cause i'm not always top damage. but sometimes I just CC so much that we win lol

[spark egret]

Who cares about damage

Some rounds you'll just get blamed when they have like pally/evoker or multiple ways to clear bleeds

No one actually knows what rogues do. I'm convinced of this after reading the forums

[tawny kestrel]

not even rogues know what rogues do

[terse mountain]

Yeah I’m trying to break the habit of not being scared to press a spell twice (monk habits)

Is it a waste of a cloak to use it solely to prevent your vanish from breaking?

[fierce laurel]

Probably. Why don’t you want vanish to break?

[terse mountain]

So I don’t break stealth and lose the window of using stealthed abilities

[fierce laurel]

Why not just use it?

Like if you hit vanish you have 3 seconds to decide what to do.
You want to blow cloak for more time to think?

[summer plinth]

beware healers griefing in solo lobbies today. ive lost 110 rating because a druid wasnt putting hots up and a disc priest didnt use swap, barrier, or pain sup

[spark egret]

IT'S TUESDAY BOYS

LOG OUT

[summer plinth]

lol

[graceful ravine]

dont think ive ever done this, only case where you should is if you are 100% gonna die otherwise

[terse mountain]

Probably just me being a noob, so essentially vanish it just to get access to those stealth abilities in that 3 seconds?

[fierce laurel]

It’s both offensive and defensive.
You can use it to stun, for mobility, to silence, to stop incoming damage, to reposition.

But you’re not being productive when you’re in stealth so it’s often not the best to just sit.

And almost never worth using a huge defensive cooldown to extend.

[terse mountain]

Amazing, makes a lot of sense. Thank you for clarifying

[sharp sierra]

Can’t believe how hard it is to find people to kill in azure span for the sparks of life 😩

[strong wedge]

Is the build for sub still ST?

[graceful ravine]

i was today years old when i found out darkness doesnt work vs duel

[waxen meteor]

Is it only me having issues to use socket on both conquer rings?

Wait my DH cannot add a gem hole on Mastery Conquer ring

is it a setting?

[jolly sierra]

what item are u using to socket?

[wintry dew]

Lets hope you're not using the neck item to open a socket on your rings

[waxen meteor]

I am not that dumb -.- i hope

[wintry dew]

Oh okay you bought the socket with the vault currency then

[waxen meteor]

Yes

[wintry dew]

So in theory you should be able to open the socket on head/wrists/belt and fingers

dafuq does it say when you try to use the item?

(also, do the oldest trick in the book, logout and login)

[wintry dew]

oh so it doesnt even let you select the ring

[graceful ravine]

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imagine having to cheat in 1700 lol

[waxen meteor]

Restarted and did all shit

i even tried ult

[jolly sierra]

NOOOOOOOOOOO I WANNA KILL MYSELF

[waxen meteor]

and it doesn't allow me to socket on mastery ring as well!!

[wise breach]

There have been multiple reports of this, but it doesn't seem to affect everyone, not sure what's causing it

Does the ring you're trying to socket have the upgrade path, or is it stuck at 382?

[waxen meteor]

oh shit, so am i suppose to just wait?

[uneven grove]

dream lobby for fistweaving monk

[waxen meteor]

yes it does, it's not the issue last week

[uneven grove]

u can do 80k HP into those pets

[wise breach]

Okay, thought it might have been related

[waxen meteor]

let me try disable all addons

[wise breach]

Yeah, I don't know, submit a bug report and just wait, I guess

Can try buying another one next week when conquest gets uncapped

[jolly sierra]

maybe is ur moment for fistweave

4-2

dunno how i did it

[wintry dew]

ez clap

[jolly sierra]

going monk now

[proper heath]

Nice . Did you have to perfectly Rop the dks zone to win tho ? Lol

[jolly sierra]

was with rogue

i was crying inside while i tried to survive

[proper heath]

Lol I know it was a joke from the post above 😄

[tame onyx]

Hey guys, new to rogue and I have a question about 'Hemotoxin' PvP talent and 'Wound poison', do they stack in any way? ...do they have a useful synergy or is it much better to use a different poison while talented with 'Hemotoxin'? Thanks!

[potent pivot]

They do not stack

They’re still good together in the fact that healing reduction is strong af

Regardless of stacking or not

[icy jasper]

wound poison with talent only goes to 29% for ass in pvp .. but Hemo goes to 35%

[proper heath]

29% ?

[jolly sierra]

24

[icy jasper]

my bad i dont use it when i play 4 poisons so i wasnt 100% sure.

[proper heath]

If it was 29 base , people would riot

[tame onyx]

its 27% on my tooltip

[waxen meteor]

24

[icy jasper]

29% untalented on a pvp target dummy

[tame onyx]

So going 'Deadly Poison' + 'Hemotoxin' is viable? ...not breaking any secret Rogue law? 😉

[jolly sierra]

yes

[waxen meteor]

In game support screen doesn't seem to open

I should go official website to open a ticket?

for the socket thing

[jolly sierra]

yep

[waxen meteor]

just doesn't add a hole for both characters

crazy

and only for mastery conquer rings

honor mastery ring -> can work

conquer haste ring -> can work

conquer mastery ring -> doesn't get highlighted

[icy jasper]

but am very very sure its only Half that in actual pvp maybe my screen is bugged somehow

[jolly sierra]

pvp multiplier 0.5

[proper heath]

Are you playing assa ? With Dragon Tempered Blades?

If you are DTB you should play wound deadly in pvp.

[potent pivot]

Should go deadly+wound+hemo

[tame onyx]

yes Assassination but no tempered blades

[potent pivot]

Playing without DTB is kinda gimping yourself

[proper heath]

Regardless if it's just for fun. And you're having fun. Deadly Hemotoxin is fine. People will still die. If you find yourself hitting a brick wall later, try DTB.

[tame onyx]

Will do, ty!

[icy jasper]

What are you playing instead Kingsbane? Ive never not used DTB

[waxen meteor]

I go with this?

other selections don't seem to fit

[tame onyx]

Zoldyck and AP ...mostly for Flag caps on BGs

[jolly sierra]

go w that

where u can write freely

[icy jasper]

You can play both DTB and AP

[fierce laurel]

Just went orc and upgraded my conq boots to tier set- ama

[proper heath]

TIER SET?

[potent pivot]

I was about to say the same thing

[proper heath]

0_0

[tame onyx]

Will try to somehow have it, so many tasty talents that I dont want to give up like Sepsis

[potent pivot]

DTB stomps sepsis. Hard.

[tame onyx]

not yet, and I'm not sure its worth it losing all the stats

[tame onyx]

k

[proper heath]

Oof . Thats.... a choice 😄

Orcs look badass tho

So I fully support it

[icy jasper]

crafted boots for 5% reduced cc not better than that?

[icy jasper]

how you get 74% mastery ? have i been playing on HM?

[fierce laurel]

Yeah, that's why I had to give up the tauren dream and go orc.

[idle field]

thats gotta be a sub build

yeah

@icy jasper

[icy jasper]

sorry i just see ass no matter what

xD i realised how that sounded

Assassination*

[fierce laurel]

This is pvp combat:

[waxen meteor]

Anyone like me tried to open a gem hole on conquer mastery ring this week?

[tepid willow]

is thief's bargain not giving CDR on vanish for anyone here?

[lucid lark]

one of those lobbies where you go 1-5 but never died at all, did top 1 or 2 damage and ran your cc as best as you could

utter chaos

[potent pivot]

Check the pins

[tepid willow]

ah my bad

[potent pivot]

No worries

[waxen meteor]

Are you planning to keep drake wrist and hand for mastery?

79 is really high!

[fierce laurel]

Tier is master verse.

I mean conquest rather

Why would I go lower ilvl

[waxen meteor]

Hand yeah

but conquer wrist is not mastery right?

[fierce laurel]

Belt chest wrists and weapons will stay drake yeah

All in one the 0 tier set.

[waxen meteor]

hmm yeah, i got a the conquer belt from vault with gem hole on it, never thought about drake one

will get it today

[tepid willow]

wish they could just hotfix stuff like this but oh well

10.0.7 ptr notes*

[graceful ravine]

does this allow u to get more mastery on other slots too?

lmao this guy

how can u tell

oh yes

someone test it and dm me the results

[jolly sierra]

god monk is shit against shamans

[jolly sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKYhgFij_o

hey look at this shit

[waxen meteor]

Man i played with this guy yesterday

Same words

[jolly sierra]

and how is playing?

[graceful ravine]

BRO WHAT

[jolly sierra]

balanced

[lucid lark]

dispel?

[graceful ravine]

ya md im guessing

[lucid lark]

lmao

ya my holy pally ran the pvp talent to dispel everyone of the same effect and he 1 shot himself off three UA

lesson learned

blizz also just buffed UA dispel protection as well

so it hits like a grown ass man

[uneven grove]

@jolly sierra

did u see this?

on monk you can choose to not dash every fcking global xd

will be interesting, i legit forgot how WW played before SL, i miss it

[jolly sierra]

is nice

[uneven grove]

yeah i can't wait to try it, i hate the constant dashes

[jolly sierra]

fkn evoker was blaming me for dying against a ww/warr/dh

[wise breach]

Got the same issue on my priest on bracers

Socketing belt first I guess

[terse mountain]

Guys is this a waste of Exsan. MFD -> Kidney -> garrote -> mutilate -> rupture -> exsan. Am I using it too early?

[lucid lark]

just press

[jolly sierra]

press

[waxen meteor]

Damn

[wise breach]

Hey, so, I'm going to assume this is a tooltip bug, but when I Deathmark the PvP dummy, both Wound stacks show 0% healing reduction

I'll test it in a duel later

Nvm, false alarm

I wasn't in war mode and that bugged it or something

[terse mountain]

With evoker nullyfying what do you guys do if you can't get a sap off fast enough. Kidney into blind instead or?

[slim iron]

Any reason to play Outlaw over Ass in any kind of PvP content other than ease of use? I'm a lot more accustomed to what Outlaw does and the PvP build is so close to the M+ one.

[warm lance]

You can spam sap on them to get rid of the stacks

[terse mountain]

But there's times were they advance quick and they're in combat before I can do 3 saps

[warm lance]

Then you kinda have to accept it. Youll just have to wait it out or hope the stacks get used by something else. Open as normal and maybe toss out a gouge on the evoker if talented into and theyre close enough

[graceful ravine]

are the focus macros fixed yet?

focus step etc

[terse mountain]

Thank you

The amount of skirms I've gone into and elvui just breaks and I can't click any abilities -.-

[icy canyon]

anyone use the shiv build?

if so could you share your build?

[bold bison]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFISikgIJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAASJE0SCJJJpkSiEJQEJJA

I swap out AP for Shrouded Suffocation into double caster/caster + melee

[icy canyon]

thanks bro

[fierce laurel]

30% in two seconds isn’t insane.

[jolly sierra]

guys im curious

im doing a lot of shit if i have the keys to turn left and right instead using them to move straight?

[sharp sierra]

New patch everyone probably just trying shit

But yeah i feel ya, i’m too lazy or stupid to be figuring this stuff out myself

I can’t wait until sub is broken

[potent pivot]

If you’re going to run exsang then drop MA

Always exsang before DM

[jolly sierra]

im doing bad it i don't have strife binded?

and reaching 2k1 in past without having that?

[spare drift]

Subs getting broken

?

[warm lance]

Its situational

There can be times you want the fast of both but theyre few and far between

You do get the fast versions of the dots when you Exsang first then DM though

afaik

[sharp sierra]

hope so, one day lol

[worthy crag]

Just noticed a lot of the top sub rogues on EU wear double drake dagger

instead of conq

[jolly sierra]

is for the mastery

[worthy crag]

guess mastery is worth more than 3 ilvl

[warm lance]

Ive been thinking about that actually

[jolly sierra]

i used to do that

tbh

[warm lance]

That it might end up going that way for Sub

Since youre already stacking literally everything into Mastery

3ilvl is not that big afterall

[jolly sierra]

i need to drop more haste tho

interesting

[warm lance]

Its 50/50 looks like

[jolly sierra]

yep

[tribal badger]

did warrior actually get pvp buffs lol

just died through evasion vs fury

240k damage to thunderous roar and odyns fury

no actual abilities landed except those aoe

[warm lance]

They didnt do anything to fury

[tribal badger]

damn did roar just always do 130k damage a cast to all targets hit

sheeeesh

[jolly sierra]

one warrior killed me with a 110k execute in the afternoon

balanced

[tribal badger]

ya idk just feels wild

arms charges in, presses roar, presses bstorm

does 800k damage to any targets that are in range of both in 6 seconds

[warm lance]

Im guessing Arms are moving onto the bleed build over spear then

[tribal badger]

might be this was just a few soloq games

i actually havent seen any spear in my soloq 2day thinking about it u just reminded me

[warm lance]

Both builds are viable and used

[tribal badger]

roar is legit doing 150k+ damage to every target hit a cast

guarenteed

[warm lance]

One goes with Roar and bleed talents, the other goes Spear without bleed talents

[tribal badger]

that bleed is insane

[warm lance]

I think most of what made Spear so crazy were the crits from Mortal strike

But as they nerfed exec precision that might have changed things abit

[tribal badger]

ya maybe people just trying stuff out

[warm lance]

I gotta keep an eye out on the warrior channel for my own Arms alt

[tribal badger]

facing arms just feels rough tho

press evasion > take 70% of ur hp to 1 button through evasion while his caster partners hitting you

its painful

[warm lance]

Im fully loaded on Crit gear atm and Haste is slightly better with the bleed build

Tho I dont think it makes that big of a difference

[graceful ravine]

is there catch up mechanic on catalyst charges?

im only getting 2

[warm lance]

If you missed a week you wont get it back

[graceful ravine]

lameee

[jolly sierra]

dunno how not one reported his name yet

[warm lance]

holy shit i had helmet on vault actually

Gonna get my sub armor set going now

Thats all 5tier pieces at 424 this week

[jolly sierra]

wat

is reset already?

[warm lance]

ye

[jolly sierra]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[warm lance]

I was hoping for helmet so I can get all 5

And I got it

Now to decide if I want to keep crafted helmet for Assa or not

[waxen meteor]

why did i get survival 3 lobbies in a row

[warm lance]

warr didnt get tier

[jolly sierra]

drop it for assa

usually i've seen is used as tier helm/gloves/chest/shoulders

[warm lance]

More versa aswell with that combo

2% extra from that combo over crafted head for me from just vers

[jolly sierra]

destro CBs from a guy with rival minimum

post buff

2k7

he claims to use 115k chaos bolts if he gets 4set full pvp

[warm lance]

Looks like my warlock is gonna be eating this week

[jolly sierra]

seems like

met him twice when i was farming for tier progress

just sapped an enemy, the other one went like a monkey to him and forced trinket, EZ win

[waxen meteor]

How much dmg you need to do on Warrior's Flag?

is it just visually gone after a while, or do i actually need to attack it for a while

[fierce laurel]

15 seconds or like 20k hp or something

[waxen meteor]

oh 20k hp

that's why it actually took a while

[fierce laurel]

I think its 5% of their hp

[waxen meteor]

it's kinda annoying when warrior just throw a flag backcourt then jump and start

teammate won't attack it

[fierce laurel]

Takes 2 shadowstrikes from stealth

[waxen meteor]

and i had to waste stealth to kill it

only 1 healer teammate helped in that lobby

but i feel losing an opener

[sharp sierra]

decent vault

i wanted a dagger but ok

[icy jasper]

If anyone could help with this question ... is it worth taking dismantle against DH or ww monk? Or maybe what is it good against.. I can guess hunter warr pala it's useful but I am.new to pvp and don't exactly know everything.. just hit 2055 in ss other day as well so happy with progress.. highest I've ever been since I started playing

[potent pivot]

it's not as useful into ww

it can be used on mm hunters as well

[dense thorn]

lol ok bro

same legs twice

sockets i guess it is

[potent pivot]

Same stats and everything?

[dense thorn]

nah

but it turns into tier

and i have tier there already

[potent pivot]

Yeah

I was wondering because I’ve never seen the vault offer 2 of the exact same item

[dense thorn]

haste vers and other vers mast

and i have the ring already too

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[dense thorn]

so its a dead vault

[potent pivot]

Socket time

[dense thorn]

can you put sockets on pvp stuff?

[potent pivot]

Yes

[dense thorn]

also do i use bloody tokens on boots because this spark will not fucking drop lol

[potent pivot]

There was a wowhead post

About all the ways to farm Sparks

[dense thorn]

WAIT

[warm lance]

You can get the strife boots until that

[dense thorn]

i can buy a spark

[warm lance]

Oh you can?

[dense thorn]

but i dont have 12

i have

6

so doesnt help me lol

[warm lance]

Well doesnt help in the short term

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spark-of-ingenuity-how-to-find-more-bottled-essences-331352

[dense thorn]

yh i did every raid boss last week and week before

on lfr/norm and heroic

[warm lance]

Mm m. These do be some juicy Sub stats

[potent pivot]

Damn

[dense thorn]

and i do 10 m+ aweek normally at 18+

and i did every WQ

everyday

it wont drop lol

[potent pivot]

Is that with it without tier

[warm lance]

You got the requirement to get them done?

Thats with tier

[dense thorn]

yep

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

I got helmet from vault, so i got pvp gloves

[potent pivot]

Ye

If you play sub without tier you stay crafted helm afaik

But if you play with tier you use helm

[dense thorn]

im not even sure i can get anything with conq

points this week

kind of a shit week actually

[warm lance]

Yeh. Its only a 0.79% difference between the helmets vers wise

[dense thorn]

might just log off again lo

l

[potent pivot]

I need to get on the grind

[dense thorn]

ill have 650 conq max this week, which gets me nothing

[potent pivot]

Have barely been able to play past week or two

[warm lance]

Now I gotta finish my conq cap and buy the shoulders to turn them into 424

Then I have all 5 pieces with pvp scaling

[dense thorn]

is crit/vers ring better than haste/vers?

[potent pivot]

I hear you can still get level boosted in like ~2 hours from 60

[dense thorn]

6 yep

^ yep

i did it yesterday with 2 toons

lol

[potent pivot]

How much was it

[dense thorn]

200,000

[potent pivot]

Not bad at all

[dense thorn]

per toon

[potent pivot]

Need to do my hunter and prob warrior or DH

[warm lance]

I dont even have that much on my account atm

[potent pivot]

My alt rogue is already 70

[dense thorn]

it depends who you go with

the 'not boosting companies, but boosting companies' charge like 450,000 per character

this dude does 20k per level

and is super quick

but hes eu

gonna learn heal this week ha

[minor cape]

whats the strat

they run dungeons w you?

[dense thorn]

stand afk

no

they kill mobs

[minor cape]

thats pretty cool

[warm lance]

Im just waiting for my friend to get to 67 then we spam BGs until 70

[minor cape]

cause leveling is boring as hell sometimes

[dense thorn]

im not sure what to upgrade here

i may as wlel get the crit/vers ring right to replace the haste/vers one

as uncapped conq next week anyway

and then use bloody tokens for the boots

[warm lance]

Depends, sub or assa

[dense thorn]

sub

no

[minor cape]

but i mean if its 200k gold its about a wow token, basically can just buy boost token xd

[dense thorn]

sin

ass

[warm lance]

Assa, so get haste ring

[potent pivot]

Stay haste ring

[warm lance]

tbh

[dense thorn]

not at all.. £17 for a wow token

boost is £49

not even the same lol

[minor cape]

whaaaa

i thought boost was 15 bucks too

[potent pivot]

Also @dense thorn if you don’t mind farming dungeons you should get the Wedding Band

[dense thorn]

no lol

[dense thorn]

the what?

[potent pivot]

Dungeon ring

[dense thorn]

what dung?

[minor cape]

wait how is wow token 17

[potent pivot]

Bro

It’s called Wedding Band

Find it

[minor cape]

subscription is 12.99 euros

or smtg

[warm lance]

Tokens 20€ or so

[dense thorn]

boost £49 so w.e that is in EUR

[warm lance]

60€

[dense thorn]

is it actually called wedding band? Because ive never seen this ever

and ive ran like 200 m+ lol

[warm lance]

And its only boost to 60

[potent pivot]

Yes it’s literally what every rogue ran in AWC

[vocal surge]

can warriors bladestorm out of any CC?

[potent pivot]

No

[minor cape]

they can rage

[vocal surge]

because this warrior

[potent pivot]

They immune with pre-bladestorm

[vocal surge]

bladestormed out of a 5cp kidney

no trinket

[potent pivot]

He did not

[minor cape]

he used rage

[dense thorn]

there is no wedding band in any of the current m+ dungeons

[potent pivot]

Berserkers rage

[warm lance]

Cant rage out of a stun

[minor cape]

wha

[warm lance]

Believe it only takes out gouge/sap right

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

and fear

[minor cape]

out of sap only?

oh thats cool

[vocal surge]

so essentially game bug?

[dense thorn]

what stats was it?

[potent pivot]

Oh kidney

[potent pivot]

Vers mast

[minor cape]

nah he prolly just bladestormed

before kidney

or while you casted

[potent pivot]

^

Yeah

[minor cape]

or some shit

[dense thorn]

i see a crit/vers ring thats it lol

[warm lance]

Youd think warriors would be bitched about way more if they could remove stun with bers rage

[dense thorn]

or a haste vers

[warm lance]

1min cd

[dense thorn]

there is no mast/vers ring

[warm lance]

Just tournament realm things then

Theres quite often been some funky items

[potent pivot]

Is brackenhide hollow not a dungeon

[warm lance]

Even wowhead doesnt have such a thing listed

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

its notin the m+ pool

so max you get is like m0 ilvl

tournment realm prob get it to max

[potent pivot]

I literally looked at it in game

A few days ago

[warm lance]

Bloodied Wedding Band

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[warm lance]

But Brackenhide isnt in m+

[potent pivot]

Is that dung not in rotation yet

[dense thorn]

doesnt matter its not in the m+ pool

nope

[warm lance]

So youd be stuck with a low ilvl

[potent pivot]

LoL

[dense thorn]

yud be stuck at 372

[warm lance]

Fucking WORTH

[dense thorn]

not sure thats worth it lol

[potent pivot]

Yep it’s best in slot

[warm lance]

When that place is in rotation im gonna fucking ree

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

Cause that means Ill have to get it

[potent pivot]

No

[dense thorn]

basically my guy doesnt change at all

feels bad man

[potent pivot]

You can just go crafted ring

[dense thorn]

might honestly just bloody tokens the feet

[potent pivot]

Loop can’t get ring atm that’s why I suggested it

[minor cape]

go for 372 to have that bg honor farming experience but in ranked

[potent pivot]

He has no sparks

[warm lance]

Well yea cause i dont craft pve stuff at all

I have 2 sparks left to use

But not enough thingamajigs to get high ilvl

[minor cape]

just let us have bis in pvp

without pveing

[dense thorn]

i have like 100 of those

lol

[warm lance]

2400+ and get lucky with boxes

[potent pivot]

You’re boring

[minor cape]

you know what else

is boring

pve 🥹

[dense thorn]

not getting a spark when my mate has literally got 3 of them

[calm roost]

i was in a lobby with 2 dh and 1 devoker i felt like the ball in a football game

[potent pivot]

Pve is the most popular, engaging, tumultuous content this game has to offer

[warm lance]

PvE is fun with the bois

Thats why I enjoyed it so much in legion-bfa

But then my guild died

[minor cape]

exactly

[warm lance]

So PvE died for me aswell

[minor cape]

if you have mates to pve with

[dense thorn]

pve is fine

[minor cape]

you can

its cool

[warm lance]

Well its also all up to personal tastes

[potent pivot]

Damn, imagine having friends

[warm lance]

Most of the playerbase prefer PvE

[dense thorn]

the problem is pve doesnt come fun until youre doing 20+ keys

so unless you can do that

its boring

[warm lance]

Thats also subjective tho

For some people its not fun if you get to higher keys

[dense thorn]

wouldnt say 20 is high keys though

[minor cape]

but all my friends play dps and every fucking dungeon is wait for 7 years for healer and tank - tank dies once - leaves - wait 7 more years

[warm lance]

Youre not the average player though

The average WoW player experience is maybe doing one +15 a season at best

+10 is where theyre parked at

[dense thorn]

maybe.. not sure

i think 20s are pretty easy with gear

[lucid lark]

the problem with M+ for me

[dense thorn]

ive dps them, tanked them and healed them.. seems fine

[warm lance]

You say that

But that is not the majority of people

[potent pivot]

Get tank friends

[dense thorn]

yh i guess but im assuming people in here

can do 20s

[minor cape]

noone wants to play a tank

🥹

[warm lance]

Well not talking about here

[lucid lark]

is wow is a game where your power level increasing is really fun and important to the gameplay loop. but a lot of specs are on the defensive in M+ and having to do more mechanics per trash pull than existed in the entirety of WoW RAIDS from Legion down to classic

[warm lance]

Im thinking as a whole

[potent pivot]

That’s just no true

[warm lance]

I could do +20 if I wanted to, ive done super high keys before

[lucid lark]

So a lot of people feel like their agency is compromised, and they dont feel "cool" or "powerful" doing M+ in this ver

[dense thorn]

kick this.. wait.. kick that..

[minor cape]

but i mean dude what if i dont want to pve and just enjoy the pvp

[potent pivot]

I’ve got a lot of tanks on my fl from when I pve’d

[potent pivot]

Then don’t

I’m answering your complaints with reasonable human being responses

[warm lance]

Beauty of an MMO; Dont want to do something? Dont.

[potent pivot]

That’s all

[warm lance]

They finally brought that back in wow

[minor cape]

and then i dont get a slot that gives a significant damage boost

[potent pivot]

And I’m saying some bis items from pve is fine

[minor cape]

on my main damage ability

[potent pivot]

That’s your choice though

[dense thorn]

fml the bloody token boots aer haste

i need a spark man

[potent pivot]

No one is saying you must go get whatever item like

[warm lance]

Hell ive been saying for 3 weeks I should go do m+ for the ring

And I havent even tried yet

[potent pivot]

It’s up to you

[dense thorn]

what ring?

[potent pivot]

It’s your fun time to play vidya

[warm lance]

Im going to now though cause my friend is leveling a Disc and we're going to push to 16+ for it

[dense thorn]

the wedding ring?

[warm lance]

The mastery embellish ring

Crafted

[dense thorn]

oh

[minor cape]

you need 16+

for that ring

?

[warm lance]

I literally myself said its not in m+ pool so ofc im not getting it

[dense thorn]

yh

[vocal surge]

But ye, that was tilting to lose

[dense thorn]

10x 16+

[warm lance]

10 16+ keys for the things

[minor cape]

whats the ilvl i need

for mythic 16

[dense thorn]

you need score

and the key

[vocal surge]

score is big

bottle neck for M+ is 16+

[warm lance]

We're gonna grind our way up to it with my friend later

Once we get good enough ilvl for him

[potent pivot]

It’s also not really a significant increase btw

It’s a small min max

[warm lance]

Hes doing like 21+ or something on his main but now he wants to try Disc in PvP and PvE so he started an alt for it

[potent pivot]

People without it are 100% fine

[minor cape]

yeah

ahh whatever

its not like i lose because of it

[warm lance]

Hell, didnt Ivan get his alt rogue to 2.4k+ in blues like 2 weeks ago?

in solo

[potent pivot]

Exactly

[lucid lark]

yeah if you're losing because of one ring then you need to look inward, my child

[minor cape]

thats what good players can do

[warm lance]

Its just proof gear isnt everything

[lucid lark]

probably top rogues could take off a few pieces of gear and still do great

[warm lance]

I almost committed to my rainbow stats arena grind

But decided I want good stats instead

[minor cape]

as a new player its better to have bis

to not limit yourslef

[lucid lark]

nah

[potent pivot]

I’d argue its significantly less important

[lucid lark]

i dont think it really matters

[warm lance]

Im basically fully geared on my rogue by now. I would be 100% if I didnt buy the axe and crit neck cause I was gonna play outlaw

[minor cape]

im 99% geared

i need badge of ferocity

as i decided to buy it last

for some reason

[warm lance]

I just need cloak, catalyst shoulders and trinkets

And im done.

[potent pivot]

The only thing that really matters for newer players is learning

[warm lance]

Minus the secondary ring but thats whatever i can live with 411 mast ring

[potent pivot]

Gear is w/e

Rating is w/e

[minor cape]

thats what im trying to do

[potent pivot]

Just play games

[potent pivot]

That’s good

[warm lance]

Mindlessly queing games is also a big issue I see

Most peolpe just que up with no clear objective in mind when "learning"

[minor cape]

i queue 2s w my mage friend and we just try different shit to see what works and our winrate is shit

[potent pivot]

I don’t get that

Like if you’re queueing your goal is to win and learn

Maybe I’m misunderstanding

[warm lance]

If you want to learn you should have a goal, something youre working on.

Just winning isnt good for learning

[minor cape]

winning is like

a bonus

[lucid lark]

some people queue to climb without ever reading what all of their talents do, or have any idea of where their spec might shine

[warm lance]

For example "Today I will focus on perfecting my CC chain"

[minor cape]

but when you lose you can analyze mistakes

[warm lance]

And leaving damage on the backfoot slightly in favour of making sure your cc's are being used properly

[lucid lark]

today I'm working on doing damage while LoSing the other dps actively

[warm lance]

Yeah

Ive been working way more on trying to line the other dps while pressuring lately

If near a pillar

Also target switching sooner if I cant reach my main target

[lucid lark]

like a lot of people will be like, "that's the kill target" when they could be ON the KT, but positioning so you make it very hard for the enemy to hit you or CC you, and you stay close enough to a piller to control the interaction

[minor cape]

i think shuffle is so not good for learning players tbh

[lucid lark]

ppl queue without the mindset of "i am a student of the game" and queue with, "I have read icyveins, copied talents for this high-tier spec, and I am now going to climb to R1"

[minor cape]

because of long queue

[warm lance]

But having just a plan to "I will que games to learn" without knowing what to work on doesnt take you anywhere

[lucid lark]

and it just doesnt work like that. you have to have the right frame of mind

[warm lance]

Thats how you get these hardstuck 1200 people with 900games

[minor cape]

im hardstuck 1700 with 600, a little better

[potent pivot]

I think that gives you ample time to review you mistakes

[warm lance]

Ive seen this waaaay too much in MOBAs

[minor cape]

oh yeah dude

[potent pivot]

The problem with shuffle for learners is that shuffle has no coordination

So you learn a lot of bad habits

[minor cape]

i played a shit ton of dota 2 back in the day

[warm lance]

You have these chronic queuers who never try to think waht happened in the game

And they just blame others because they dont know what mistakes they did

[minor cape]

sometimes you also dont know if the guy that got globalled on your team is just bad or because you didnt peel enough

[potent pivot]

vod review it

and you will be able to see

[lucid lark]

I'm 1600 on my new hunter at 34 games. the first 10 were a shitshow, the next 10 were better, the latest 14 today have been AWESOME. Lots of 4 or 5 games, some 3-3, a few 1-5. But on games I lose, I ask the better players in the lobby if they noticed any bad habits

[warm lance]

Thats the point we're talking about here. Most do not think back on it or clip stuff like that with shadowplay

Its what you should be doing though

[lucid lark]

Provided your healer isn't having a heart attack, you can DM them after and ask THEM if they have any advice

a healer will 100% be honest about how bad your positioning was

[potent pivot]

carried by buffs

[lucid lark]

Because they're keenly aware of how bad it is

[potent pivot]

(i'm joking)

[minor cape]

it's just how mobas are

the classic moba toxicity

[warm lance]

It happens with solo shuffle too

You see it in this chat alot

[lucid lark]

5% babe

[warm lance]

And I mean ALOT

[lucid lark]

im survival

[minor cape]

i dont

at least like

less than i saw in dota

[potent pivot]

yeah i want to level my surv

[minor cape]

i reached 5k mmr in like 2016 and left forever

[warm lance]

Theres a few people here who just bitch and moan about their teammates

[lucid lark]

its so fun bro