pvp

[summer plinth]

Ah okay. Do you use death mark in there? Also what's a good general rule for when to shiv?

[potent pivot]

Whenever you want more dmg or a powerful slow

[summer plinth]

For shiv?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[summer plinth]

Okay. Thanks. I was using it when people got low to try to stop the healing.

But wasn't really using it any other time

[potent pivot]

That’s good too

Shiv gives you Hemo, +nature dmg %, and a more potent form of Numbing/Crippling

[summer plinth]

Ah okay. That's what I thought but wasn't sure.

Hoping I can climb to 1800 in another week or so with more gear and practice

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

Make sure you get the crafted gear and trophies of strife gear

[summer plinth]

I have both crafted pieces and a few pieces of drakebreaker but I opted to upgrade my dagger this week. In hindsight holding it for a different upgrade may have been better. Next week I'll upgrade belt and bracers (hopefully)

And I have 2 pc and just bought my conquest dagger. I think im 415 pvp ilvl atm

[potent pivot]

Nabbing the dagger early is fine especially if you don’t have conq dagger yet

[summer plinth]

Yeah. I didn't. So I have a 421 and now a 424 dagger

[potent pivot]

Won’t make too much a difference you need it in the end anyway

[summer plinth]

Yeah. I've been trying to follow the gearing guide. Hoping for a good vault on Tuesday.

Tomorrow I'm going to try to grind out a new ring and neck.

For conquest

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

ngl watching my mate not have a clue at pvp but going into solo shuffle with half pve gear as a dh and just hitting shit and winning is kind of tilting when i feel shit on my rogue today

[summer plinth]

I'm just happy that my damage, overall, is going up. I feel like I need to press envenom more. Sometimes I feel like I get a little indecisive about envenom or refreshing rupture or something else

[potent pivot]

Just depends on the situation, if you’re closing out a kill probably envenom

But if you’re attacking someone kinda healthy and they don’t have rupture on them at all you def rupture

[dense thorn]

do we ever use ambplying?

amplifying

isnt it a bit more 'bursty' in essence?

[potent pivot]

if you have another MS on your team you can, but i've heard multiple people say even in those cases wound feels better

[dense thorn]

wound?

is that the twist the knife buff?

[potent pivot]

what?

[dense thorn]

thats the node

its on

[potent pivot]

wound poison

or are you talking about swapping deadly for amp

i just haven't seen anyone doing it tbh

amp poison doesn't act as a dot, just buffs envenom and has an instant application dmg

[dense thorn]

yh

amp over twist

i see on drust its sometimes taken

and the older guides say to take it

not sure when it changed

[waxen meteor]

lol

somehow i got a cp0 enhanc shammy in my lobby

seems a bug

and the shammy had no idea why he came in as enhanc

[potent pivot]

because he queue'd when in enhance spec

[waxen meteor]

but cp0 and mmr1500 shouldn't really come to my lobby

[potent pivot]

what is cp0

0 CR?

[waxen meteor]

CR 0 sorry yeah

and his title is legend lol

[potent pivot]

you can definitely be 0 CR in a 1500mmr lobby

[waxen meteor]

yeah i know

but i am not at 1500 lobby..

[potent pivot]

oh idk

[dense thorn]

im actually kind of bored of solo as this mmr is shit

its just 4 melee

that just run in and pve

kind of boring

[waxen meteor]

i told you in 1600-1800

[dense thorn]

yh its so shit

though

[waxen meteor]

and as i said, the eaist way to get out of the shit -> go healer

[dense thorn]

it doesnt matter though

if you go healer

its just 6 people stood on top of each other

being aoe stunned

dr everything

its just dumb

blind healer.. 0.1sec blind is the avg i reckon

even if they are in narnia

[waxen meteor]

you know whenever DH arrives you know the cc is gone

but they got aoe aura, it's hard to avoid

[dense thorn]

nah they will rush out

to hit it

but regardless

its just not a fun lobby

for ass

and its fine sometimes but its the last 5-6 games for me lol

[waxen meteor]

Sap hard back there, blind after sap, let htem play 2s

join latter

overall i feel going to healer will significantly change the pve 4 melee blend

you also force some pve dmg contesters to think about how to save their healer

[dense thorn]

i literally did this the first round

and got a whisper that im shit

healer is late out

i sap, sap, sap, blind

he trinkets

i kidney

bomb

and the other dude is pveing them both to 50%

[waxen meteor]

doesn't matter

[dense thorn]

depends on healer too though

because what happens is this

i go healer.. zug zug melee go on me

same situation lol

[waxen meteor]

hmm it dpends

[graceful ravine]

im a fresh 70 and they put me in 2k mmr on my 2nd game

wtf

[wise breach]

Did you 6-0 your first one?

[dense thorn]

its account wide mmr

so fresh toons arent actually seperate

unless on a dif account

[graceful ravine]

i did

[dense thorn]

its why pika climbed so fast on his disc priest

he was getting 2.4k+ lobbies immediaetly

[graceful ravine]

how am i supposed to farm conq if im put in these lobbies smh

[potent pivot]

going to have to tank lol

[graceful ravine]

everybodys 50k more hp than me

ruff out here

[dense thorn]

carry me in 2s

for conq

😄

[graceful ravine]

u got a healer?

[dense thorn]

i will do after its boosted

im currently afk

boosting ti lol

[potent pivot]

or you could just do rbg's

[dense thorn]

eeww

[graceful ravine]

will prob have to do 2s

[dense thorn]

wish uncapped conq

was this reset

[warm lance]

My friend started a new priest. Hes gonna make it his pvp alt

Finally get to do 2s and stuff

[waxen meteor]

yeah that's what i got for my sub as well

first 2 games determins everything

[fierce laurel]

So rat didn't run tier set yesterday.

I think he only had 6 combo points too

[waxen meteor]

i think 2s with healer will impact your solo a lot

totally different pace

I hade 3 ties in solo this weekend

lol

it should give all 6 people a win instead give all 6 people a L

[small nexus]

is sub viable?

[potent pivot]

yep

[small nexus]

but assa is just better?

[potent pivot]

that's going to be debatable after reset

wouldn't worry about it

[small nexus]

i play outlaw and sub for m+ and want to get into pvp, but kinda get a meh feeling learning assa

[potent pivot]

so... don't?

play what you enjoy

min maxing the "better" spec is only going to matter at the top 0.1%

[small nexus]

alright

[sharp sierra]

cdew crying about rogues again

[dim geode]

Whats changing?

[waxen meteor]

tier set nerfed 50% at pvp

double wound doesn't exist anymore with deathmark

[dim geode]

Oh fuck

[waxen meteor]

btw, i just noticed pikaboo played warrior in AWC for a few games

[dim geode]

Thats huge

[waxen meteor]

agianst drake

[dim geode]

For everyone or just rogue?

[waxen meteor]

Just for Sin PvP

[dim geode]

sadge

[warm lance]

Still should be good to use the set.

[dim geode]

patchnotes say only the bleed part of the tierset

and the wound poison thing is somewhat cryptic, does it mean it doesnt stack with mortal strike f.e. or hemotoxin?

and still work with itself

[sharp sierra]

wait nerfing all tier sets for pvp is not a bad idea

they are technically pve items repurposed for pvp with item scaling

[dim geode]

dont get tier sets for pvp in the first place

[sharp sierra]

we need the old pvp tier sets

that had negligible shit like 5 more range on wind shear or whatever

[vocal surge]

True lol

[warm lance]

Yeah, and thats the reason we use the set

The 2pc is kinda whatever

[dim geode]

yeah sure 20% is nice and all

[warm lance]

Its still 10% though

With nerf

[dim geode]

but they nerfed dm to 80%, then imp garrote to 30%, now set to 10%

thats alotta nerfs for bleeds 😄

[warm lance]

And still we do big dam

Just imagine 0 nerfs

[bright carbon]

Is outlaw good in solo shuffle

Kinda wanna get back into pvp

But I wanna play the law

[proper heath]

Yes

It's good

[dim geode]

so if i read that patchnote right, the second wound poison caused by deathmark does nothing but a bit of damage?

or since it doesnt have a dot, it doesnt do anything?

[warm lance]

Kinda does nothing with how its worded

[proper heath]

the fuck is that math

[warm lance]

Im confused

[dim geode]

nvm thats garbage math

[proper heath]

That was ..next level

[dim geode]

yeah i was thinking its 6% per stack x 3 plus mp

with mp and imp wp its 9x5% that correct?

how does hemotoxin work on top of woundpoison, if it does at all?

[warm lance]

It overrides wound for its duration

[dim geode]

so its a downgrade?

like 35% vs. 45%

am i tripping?

[warm lance]

Wound and such are nerfed by 50% in pvp

So its an amped healing reduction

45% would be wack

[dim geode]

ah okay

so baseline 22.5%

and hemotoxin pumps it to 35%

no the price question, does hemotoxin stack with deathmark wound poison? 👀

[warm lance]

It doesnt

[wanton breach]

wtf is this evoker damage

[sharp sierra]

evokers are glass cannons yeah

but flying everywhere kinda sucks for melee

[warm lance]

That living flame was fucking stacked

[potent pivot]

the notes are worded weird, it might still duplicate with DM

it probably won't, but the main thing they're fixing is the fact the DM wound poison was stacking with other classes mortal strikes like priest/lock

[dim geode]

yeah thats reasonable

but DM beeing our big cd, wouldnt be too much to ask that it does something right?

[potent pivot]

i mean it already does a lot of dam

just kinda stupid that it can be dispelled

[dim geode]

yep

but the prevention of healing is somewhat part of its power right?

[potent pivot]

sorta

[dim geode]

realz said, he would just turn the tuning knob he installed into dm

as they already did with the 0.8 multi

not change the functionality

[potent pivot]

i don't think things are solely up to him

[dim geode]

ofc not

maybe poison build is on the menu :x

[potent pivot]

what

we've been playing the poison build

[dim geode]

i think i skipped the poison nodes rn

went with the execute style build

[potent pivot]

no one has really been playing that tbh

a couple people here and there were when AP was first added

[dim geode]

🙈

[potent pivot]

[zinc nexus]

caster lobbies honestly just make me want to cry

[proper heath]

caster lobbies are the best

Wait till you get into DH FERAL lobbies

it's gg

ur ass is grass

[worldly girder]

what is sub opener in pvp

do i open with cheap? or just sstrike in to get combos for a kidney. i feel the second options risky

[torn gull]

Yeah for real thanks! I am returning player after long hiatus, just hit 70. First glance overwhelmed by all this stuff to do, but luckily I found your brief “steps” here. It helps with a focus going forward on what to figure out first.

[minor cape]

sstrike not good

cause they will press wall or stun you

and then your opener is fucked

you can take shadow dance combo points talent and then do like dance kidney

or you can cheap and then dance

but make sure you press another cheap

i usually either do dance kidney and then shadowstrike secret tech

or i do cheap dance shadowstrike secret tech cheapshot

the point is to stunlock the guy

ofc you have to also press your buffs like blades symbols and trinket

[sharp sierra]

nice mmr

ok i kinda think i got the hang of sin playstyle

i go into sin like im playing sub and thats why i overextend a lot

[bold bison]

lol top 51 Rogues are all Night Elf. Top 100 contains 4 horde Rogues. probably time to nerf shadowmeld for Rogues and just give us an extra Vanish stack

[proper heath]

Night Elf is OP

It's defensive . Offensive. Not to mention... Sexy.

Those 3 factors make it better than any other race. The D.O.S.

[minor cape]

i aggree, but i think its mostly cause nelfs look cool

also i would rather have dot cleanse on rogue now of dark iron

but i dont want to play that ugly piece of garbage

[proper heath]

If Dwarves were normal height camera angle wise. I'd play one.

But I dont know if u know that. But when ur a dwarf, ur camera angle is actually lower. So normal stuff looks bigger to you. You are more zoomed in

It's a big enough different to be annoying

[minor cape]

if dwarves had nelf character models i would play a dwarf

how do you even get motivation to play if your character is ugly

🥹

[proper heath]

You can do fun stuff with dwarf tho I think, You can play On-use agi trinket. And get loaded with dots. Fireblood and On use. and do a huge go.

[minor cape]

yeah this too exactlt

[proper heath]

It's not competitive. BUt it's definitely fun to do in bgs and random arenas

[minor cape]

i see how it can give a lot of opportunity for fun

[proper heath]

We need to play more for fun. Like panda etc.

Mabe play 2 rogues. 1 for realz. NE . and 1 with a fun race.

[minor cape]

i rarely ever can use meld as a defensive vanish in 2s rn

only offensively

too many dots

😦

velfs have a fun ability too

but not as strong tho

as dark iron

[potent pivot]

LeatrixPlus. Just go to max zoom lol

[minor cape]

you can make a further zoom?

thats awesome

[waxen meteor]

yes, that works

[potent pivot]

Yeah, not as much as you used to but with addons you can go a little extra

Used to be able to zoom out and see whole zones with an add on before they made it TOS

[proper heath]

I know someone that plays the game completely top Down

Like GTA on the PS1

It's wild.

[minor cape]

imagine trying to click smt

[spring bough]

Man lol. Apparently telling people to suck yo d in game chat during solo shuffles gets you hella reported and suspended for a week. Whoops 😂

[proper heath]

😮

are you here to tell us how toxic you are

[spring bough]

Lmao nothing toxic about some playful banter in some close games but I guess we are out of that day and age 🤷‍♂️

[rose iris]

Guys can som1 here help me with generel rotation of sub rogue

when do i press secret technique for exampl

[proper heath]

WHen you want their HP to go down.

HA !

😄

[rose iris]

Yeah so easy to see playful banter through text chat 😛

[spring bough]

Wtb in game emojis

[warm lance]

Thats kinda wild. How do they deal with going under bridges like blades edge

[proper heath]

You know alot of verbal abusers and misogynist in court, say to the judge, comon it was just some playful banter 🙂 It's a slippery slope.

Toxicity might be playful to us, not to the person receiving it.

Hence the report.

[rose iris]

yeye alright but som1 help me pls LOL

mods deal with rule breakers and mans got his punishment 😄

is this a good build for solo shuffle also btw

[proper heath]

If theres an addon or script that auto accepts. I'll pay a monthly subscription.

I've missed so many ques because I"m alt tabbed watching hardcore porn.

And it's another 40 mins wasted

[minor cape]

i would rather take absorb

than aoe rupture

[rose iris]

Hey ty i dont know what absorb is i just went into sub and wanna try it out

[minor cape]

absorb is that combo point near secre strategem

that gives you absorb shield on vanish

[rose iris]

Yeah okay

[minor cape]

also in shuffle you don't go cheat death

but feint instead

instead of tight spender also go for subterfuge

much much better

[rose iris]

I see ty i gonna try that out

do you have any help with rotation

[proper heath]

I'll be like "I'm fine I pre feint the go.... wait... jk dying through. Pressing everything" #dragonflight

[minor cape]

with this one it's either dance kidney ER -> Secret Tech

then just shadowstrike eviscerate

or dance kidney shadowstrike eviscerate and then ER -> Secret Tech

of course you use cold blood before secret tech

and you ONLY use cold blood on secret tech

you can probably also do some cheapshot variation

and when you do your big go

you pop your shadowblades, your trinket, your symbols

all the good stuff

out of your shadow dance put ruptures like crazy

[rose iris]

Ok this class is jut to hard for me

hardstuck 1.8k assa

xd

and cant even get combo on sub to work

[minor cape]

but it survives really well

im stuck on like 1700 on sub 😦

but thats cause i suck

you can do better xd

i also play another build that doesn't use dark brew

it's easier if you just starting and equally as strong i think

[rose iris]

survivability, maybe i tried really hard but the solo shuffle i joined was a huge shit fest XD

[minor cape]

look, you can do rotten build

in pvp faq

except instead of ER you take deeper strat for 7 cp

[potent pivot]

Why would you do that?

[minor cape]

it gives faster opener i think

even cheap shot

[potent pivot]

I suppose so

I think ER is just overall better value

[minor cape]

i always find myself getting controlled before i can pull off secret tech

if i dont do kidney

[potent pivot]

You can also play w/o sec tech

[minor cape]

and cheap instead

reverb build

🥵

[tight veldt]

er def better

[potent pivot]

The rotten build in the faq doesn’t take sec tech

[tight veldt]

i couldnt imagine playing with no Sec tehc

[minor cape]

ayo what

didnt notice

thought it was your usual rotten secret tech

[proper heath]

Yes this . Blizzard designed a cool spell where shadow images come out and backstab some dude 3v1. I would also never spec out of it. It's part of the fantasy.

[potent pivot]

The higher you climb the less successful sec tech becomes I think

[minor cape]

cause they can wall you on clone hits?

[tight veldt]

but where does the dmg come from then instead?

thats just wild to me

[potent pivot]

Multiple factors

[minor cape]

CB + reverb

[potent pivot]

Eviscerating as god intended

[minor cape]

if you manage do it on the end of macabre

you get

like 140k

but good luck with that

[tight veldt]

yeah but all that effort into reverb when i can do the exact same amount w/ sec tech but higher

[minor cape]

usually you just go shadowstrike cb er and get 100k

[potent pivot]

Sec tech is easier to counter because it ticks

[minor cape]

eviscerate is bad if no brew branch

😦

however

reverb rotten build good vs warriors

to reverb them to death

idk why it just kills them 😦

i also found that reverb is good vs ret paladin

cause if you tech he just bubbles

and you deal 65k to him

also @potent pivot

what is your opinion on gloomblade

when do you take it

is it good against certain classes or do you just take it to deal extra sustained?

[lyric mortar]

hey is ambush used as assass?

[warm lance]

If you use blindside yes

[tight veldt]

@minor cape so wait, wtf is the rotten playstyle then?

like for opener /burst?

is opener still sap + blind healer, and then open with SS --> Kidney --> Dance ??

[minor cape]

like

er?

or tech?

[tight veldt]

for er

[minor cape]

so there are two ways

if you are sure you will not get stunned open with dance kidney

then stack as much macabre as you can

and finish with cb er

for quicker opener just do dance kidney cb er or cheap dance cb er

if you really want to minmax that macabre stack thing

you can use gloomblade instead of ss

on rotten only

[spark egret]

Bro they shouldn't nerf rogues

[minor cape]

not sub

for sure

xd

[spark egret]

After reading the forums I'm convinced this spec isnt broken

The community is just brain damaged

[minor cape]

i don't see rogues as being broken

assas damage only

[spark egret]

People talking about the new aoe shiv talent being broke

[minor cape]

it is

[spark egret]

Does anyone even take it

[minor cape]

idk

[spark egret]

Its like

[minor cape]

i dont play assas

[spark egret]

Not even played

[minor cape]

but i think assas is like very squishy

to compensate for the damage

[spark egret]

People talking about assa having too much cc cause of shadow dance

[minor cape]

it's not even played tho

right?

[spark egret]

I know that's my point

[minor cape]

shadow dance

but aoe shiv might be used

sometimes

no?

[spark egret]

Half the complaints were about talents we dont even play

[spark egret]

It is

Occassioanlly

[minor cape]

dude i hate people bitching so mutch too

[spark egret]

But afaik DTB is still the go to

[minor cape]

especially about healers in shuffle

literally every healer

can top top in a gcd

there is too much healing going on

[summer plinth]

what pvp talent do you play if there's no need for dismantle?

[minor cape]

and they still cry that healing is impossible

[minor cape]

maneuvrability

[tight veldt]

35 minutes in queue... 1 round... blind the healer to win, and he immediately leaves

[minor cape]

reee nerf rog blind op

[tight veldt]

not even like it was a full blind. used it when the kill target was at like 20% hp, and we killed lol

[minor cape]

had 2 games in a row like that except the dude left on round 3

[spark egret]

I mean

Too the other posts want our cc gutted

But also for us to have gutted damage too

Not mentioning the fact if you train assa in solo shuffle esp into a double melee it's a miserable experience

For the rogue

[minor cape]

that's what im saying

assas rogue is like

get his cooldowns

dot him

he dies instantly

[sharp sierra]

if you dont abuse your cc and dmg together you fall off quickly

unlike other classes which have to worry about only dpsing

[jolly sierra]

just rechecked rog talents in murlok.io

[tight veldt]

well how am i supposed to use my cc and damage together, whe ni have to save my cc as defensives

[sharp sierra]

just be 3k rogue and dont complain

[jolly sierra]

ppl is dropping improved poisons in favour of venom rush

[tight veldt]

the non-rogue community cant have both.

You cant tell me "Rogue has too much damage, and too many defensives" when i can either play offensive or defensive. I cant do both

If i kidney kill target, i have no kidney to save myself from being steam rolled by the oogaboog melee

[sharp sierra]

rogue has defensives that can easily be countered and they arent that many

[tight veldt]

almost 90% of the dps in this game have a 1 min offensive, and my evasion is 2 minutes. Not to mention my vanish is 2 minutes, AND cloak is 2 mintues

at best, ican dismantle and kidney to save my ass and now i have no kidney for offensive go

[sharp sierra]

for the next 20 seconds you are vulnerable again

[tight veldt]

lest we forget that 50% of people are now playing DiD, arms, or prevoker which means DM is effectively useless

[spark egret]

There was literal posts asking for vanish to be a 4min cd

Because "it's as strong as pally bubble"

No joke

[tight veldt]

4 min CD when most games are over in fucking 2 minutes? right. makes sense

[spark egret]

Real human posted that

[sharp sierra]

whattttt

[spark egret]

Apparently pally bubble broken by dots

[sharp sierra]

most games are over in 40 seconds

[spark egret]

We got em boys

Its over for Retcels

[tight veldt]

only further proves my point

[minor cape]

4 minutes

[spark egret]

This is the brain damage I read this morning

[sharp sierra]

we should just nerf rogues to not use weapoms

[spark egret]

Obviously rogues are getting played in AWC so

[minor cape]

btw if you want to feel your brain slowly melting go to r/worldofpvp

[spark egret]

The spotlight is on us now

[sharp sierra]

BUT THEN some 3k rogue will beat them still

[tight veldt]

i think we give us back thrown weapons, and now we only use shuriken /poison knife

[sharp sierra]

m+ andies doing their weekly rep quest and a random rogue kills them

[tight veldt]

if only poison knife didnt reset woiund stacks

[sharp sierra]

WTF ROGUE NERF BROKEN SO UNFAIR

[minor cape]

nah it's like a pvp subreddit but they are also extremely stupid when it comes to game balance

[tight veldt]

HURHUR ME TRINKET SAP

[dark kernel]

Every solo shuffle as sin people learn to target me and it's gg

[tight veldt]

exactly why i stopped playing it.

[sharp sierra]

OOGA BOOGA BLADESTORM AFTER SAP TRINKET SO I REVEAL ROGUE

[minor cape]

fax i go assas over hunter even xd

[dark kernel]

Rogues are my favorite target too.

[minor cape]

i legit played a shuffle once and a dude on my team said "if you want to get enemy warriors trinket, just sap him"

i sapped, and he used trinket

[sharp sierra]

[dark kernel]

I saw a dude playing insta trinket the other day at 1600

I was like how

[sharp sierra]

look i flame warrior zug players but bomb into spear is the best faceroll combo

[minor cape]

oh yeah

xd

dude goes monkey see bomb no heal no zug zug brain disabled

[sharp sierra]

i once trinketted earth grab

[warm lance]

but my guy can just press berserker rage

[minor cape]

no he did in fact use trinket

he does not give a shit

[warm lance]

Yes but he could just rage

and be done with it

[jolly sierra]

i need to trinket against warr when he stormbolts in the 1st try else i die, just checked once

the dumb healer was like "tRiNKeT?"

[minor cape]

there are certain classes

you just have to trinket

but certainly not a sap on a warrior xd

[jolly sierra]

ah ofc

lol

[sharp sierra]

as sub people dont focus you as much in ss

30% max hp vanish dance heal

[dark kernel]

Unfortunately as sub you don't do any damage unless you have every CD up

[sharp sierra]

yep

thats the duality of rogue

[dark kernel]

So you sit there cc botting hitting like a noodle until no trinkets then go for the 1 shot

[sharp sierra]

either you dont do dmg and you can survive or you just die while being called op

[spark egret]

Rogues can kill you = class is broken

Apparently

Gotta stop us from using shadow dance on assa

[dark kernel]

I don't care they gutted sub burst but for the love of God they need to fix their consistent damage it's so low

[warm lance]

Playing for the one shot is kinda eh

You can do multiple mini goes at opportune times on sub

[dark kernel]

The thing is, you pretty much have to save a dance charge and Shadowblades at all times in case someone trinkets

[sharp sierra]

and sub's energy regen is ass

[dark kernel]

Because if an opportunity arises and you don't have them then you do nothing.

[sharp sierra]

dev evokers seem to be doing quite a lot of damage

[tepid willow]

we talking about warriors being ungo bungo?

I played with some dude that would leap instantly

every time

just let me sap bro

come on

[sharp sierra]

gets healer in combat and then dies

[tepid willow]

it's amazing, when he was on the other team he was like 60 yards away from his healer when sap ended

[sharp sierra]

1700 bracket max

[tepid willow]

nah that dude is gonna be hardstuck 1500

[jolly sierra]

ME SMASH

[spark egret]

the classic

[dark kernel]

Im kind of curious, wow pvp seems to have some more rating fuckery going on than other games.

I am just at 1800 as sin rogue, 64% win rate, not exceptional gear. Sitting 1350 as Sub with a ton of dog shit lobbies.

Anyone else experience something similar?

[whole moon]

is assa considered the best for pvp or are the others pretty even

at an average level not necessarily at the skill ceiling

[waxen meteor]

Assassin is most popular spec at higher rating and widely used in AWC

Sub is very unique and can perform super good as well

[jolly sierra]

sub can instakill in a global after trinket using and shadowy duel

[spark egret]

"gary the gladiator"

[sharp sierra]

i cant past 1900 and i have 700 matches

[spark egret]

fuck I want to play rn

[sharp sierra]

i just want duelist 1 bro

[spark egret]

whens reset

[sharp sierra]

nothing else

[spark egret]

next week I get my 4set

but it gets nerfed

[fiery relic]

It's still a flat 10% damage buff

[waxen meteor]

i don't think any gladiator has trouble to pass 2400 in solo

unless he plays blood DK or some very goofy thing

[shrewd canyon]

Definetly shouldnt otherwise he got carried in 3s

[sweet dove]

hey what's the typical opener as sub ?

[waxen meteor]

next week it seems we should literally use deadly + amply more often, if team has another MS source (which is quite often in solo)

[summer plinth]

what is amply?

[sweet dove]

amp poison ?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[summer plinth]

Ah. I

[jolly sierra]

i had a gary in my guild

literal got glad in a fkn afternoon but when he played rbg with guildies played like shit

and asked for 2k4 xp to join his own rbgs lol

[shrewd canyon]

Ehhh to be fair rbg is nothing like arena

[spark egret]

My hot take is solo shuffle is a better indicator of your actual skill in pvp

Since you cant get boosted

By others anyway

Boosted by your class

(DHs)

[tepid willow]

solo queue for 2s 🔥

[graceful ravine]

if you adjust for inflation sure

[bold bison]

I just queued into boomkin, BM hunter and ele shaman

on a big map

literally the most hopeless and miserable 0-6 of my life

[waxen meteor]

btw, i have a question

does survival have a skill to clear bleeding?

for others

[spark egret]

I'm kinda wanting to try warlock pvp after

I've never played a caster in pvp

Is it bad

[waxen meteor]

it's a lot different

zug zug zug is literally impossible for lots of caster

[jolly sierra]

the same they use for them

mending bandage

[waxen meteor]

the same they for them?

[jolly sierra]

they USE

[waxen meteor]

so they do have a skill to clear bleeding for themselves or others?

[jolly sierra]

both

[waxen meteor]

ok

[upbeat anchor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PiercingWimpyEelAllenHuhu-FA30O0P7_vABseiE has this clip been posted yet in here

[waxen meteor]

then i understand why

[spark egret]

Guy

[jolly sierra]

they just cast it at 1st milisecond

[spark egret]

What u doing in here

[jolly sierra]

and clears everything

[spark egret]

[upbeat anchor]

Chillin

[spark egret]

Brother guy?

Ic

Welcome

[potent pivot]

Like an actual bot?

[waxen meteor]

The UI isn't really very clear..

[upbeat anchor]

ya its a ROP bot

[potent pivot]

[upbeat anchor]

Its insta casting ROP, in dome, perfectly centered, as soon as its cast

[potent pivot]

Insta rops the dome

[upbeat anchor]

https://twitter.com/vanguardstv/status/1622636940259635202?s=61&t=wCa_kbU7-f9YLEUpED_r3A

Vanguards (@VanguardsTV)

Cheating in Arenas seem to be getting more common now, WW Monk insta ROPS my dome perfectly centered every game (even if I purposely place it far away) @WarcraftDevs https://t.co/tLaiG38JuC

Twitter · Feb 6, 2023, 4:42 PM

[potent pivot]

Lmfao

[jolly sierra]

kek

[upbeat anchor]

Insta rops the dome that he purposefully puts out in nomans land to test

[jolly sierra]

ban time

[potent pivot]

I didn’t even realize shit like this existed

LOL

[spark egret]

[sharp sierra]

what does that even mean

[upbeat anchor]

Did u watch the clip?

[jolly sierra]

got a double dh warr match w rogue

imagine the stress KEK

[waxen meteor]

picaboo had a double dh lobby with top2 rank dh

and he claimed it as a 6:0 lobby

[jolly sierra]

KEK

drood went mad w dh

and refused to heal

XDDDD

got sabotaged guys, just 3-3

guy apologized after rounds

[spark egret]

Report

[spark egret]

They will get banned really easy

Blizzard isnt fucking around

[jolly sierra]

disagree but k

[spark egret]

Wdym you disagree

[jolly sierra]

i disagree with fucking around

i reported a lot of times and did nothing

so

[spark egret]

Really lmao

[sharp sierra]

blizzard gives warnings really quickly

my internet cut off at 4th round and i got reported

[spark egret]

Blizz is banning people when they get mass reported by the cartels

[jolly sierra]

KEK

[spark egret]

[sharp sierra]

[jolly sierra]

mass reported

[spark egret]

Yea lmao

[jolly sierra]

u say that, im fat but just 1

[spark egret]

If they find out you accept lower tip

For crafting

You'll get mass reported by the cartels

[sharp sierra]

honestly when ur paying a sub and buying full box price bans seem stupid

[spark egret]

A d banned or warned

[jolly sierra]

well, mass reports works like that

but i say

im a very wide one, but just ONE

[spark egret]

I've also been banned for 10 days

For soloq flaming s9

So it's pretty easy

Not currently but I was before

[sharp sierra]

the bellular lariat video

[jolly sierra]

my longest ban were 2 days for exploiting 10% xp pots

[spark egret]

Yeah I've never been banned in 10 years

Until DF

[jolly sierra]

i regret nothing

they fucked my heirlooms

[spark egret]

That was in bfa right?

[jolly sierra]

yep

[warm lance]

Never been banned and played since vanilla

[jolly sierra]

u are an exemplar citizen then

anyways dunno how tf tanked the 2 dhs and the warr

[sharp sierra]

people throwing slurs and inting - ok
lariat recraft - bad

[lucid citrus]

damn what rating was this match? lol

[spark egret]

Well dont type now

[jolly sierra]

1k8

[waxen meteor]

just go healer

don't do dps contest with double dh

[jolly sierra]

the round was over long time ago

kek

fucked match this one too

DH, evoker, warr

with a surv

see ya guys

[spark egret]

[waxen meteor]

I hate survival and demo lock in lobby

best counter, and worst teammate

I love SP in lobby

we seem to be deadly to SP, and SP is our best teammate

[jolly sierra]

-48 cr

2-4

im not done yet

[fierce laurel]

I love sins in my lobbies. And we.

Ww *

[jolly sierra]

i wanna a match where i can sap

going for the 3rd one, i dont care if i got a dh, but hope not a surv or a demo

[fierce laurel]

Do all hunter pets get sac?

Or just bm surv

[frank ravine]

solo shuffle ret pals blinding off your dots and deathmark on cooldown is the ultimate suffering

[fierce laurel]

I had a priest mind control my sec tec shadow damage yesterday so I don’t wanna hear having to hit garrote rupture again.

[jolly sierra]

generic

[fierce laurel]

Between scatter, pet sac, coil, and axe throw it’s so hard to get good opens on those classes. You get interfered with 100%

[jolly sierra]

yep

give up those matches and go next

[waxen meteor]

DH in small map is so annoying

makes sap impossible

[jolly sierra]

imagine double kek

[old brook]

Stealth tax and class inflation don’t end well for rogues

[summer plinth]

Argh. Solo is so frustrating at 1400 CR or less. People just don't press their buttons.

Finally having what feels like a good couple of lobbies on my rogue in solo and go 2-4 in both of them cause teammates are dying with either healer cds up or their own 😦

[waxen meteor]

it's true

low CR you need to throw CDs sooner sometimes

or you never have a chance to use it lol

[jolly sierra]

just throw them asap to make them run so ur partners won't use anything

the damage will be done with all the defensives spent

[summer plinth]

Yeah. I've been popping everything in the opener trying to force people to play defensive. Gar > shiv > rupture > mfd > kidney > tea > death mark >

[jolly sierra]

use ur blind in start w healer for bonus

[waxen meteor]

tbh i never played a sub1400 solo

[summer plinth]

yeah i sap healer into blind during my ppener

whenever there isnt a DH

[jolly sierra]

feral/sub/warr

acceptable

lets go

[waxen meteor]

really?

[jolly sierra]

nah nvm

feral/OUTLAW/warr

[summer plinth]

yeah. i was trying to avoid getting stuck down here, but being new to rogue didnt help my cause

I was up to 1388 but then getting some bad luck with teammates

[jolly sierra]

nah dying a lot

tanked the match

3-3

gonna go again after lunch

outlaw was whining for my dps

xddd

[sage shoal]

any tips against going against zug zug comps in solo, like dh/arms/udk? feels like i just get chased down everygame

[old brook]

Let them chase and cc their big CDs. When their defensives aren’t up, test their reaction to your pressure. Gauge what makes them pop things and weave in your chance to burst them when they don’t have anything to pop after locking their gos down

You’re the mouse being chased by cats

[waxen meteor]

Convince them to go healer

[jolly sierra]

trying again, need a 4-2 as min

[jolly sierra]

shout sexo so they goes savage and u will manage them easier

and use atro poison to avoid some dmg and make u endure more

[jolly sierra]

1-5

[worthy widget]

why do people not play this build?

[jolly sierra]

healer didn't used neither pain supression or barrier on me

this gonna be tough if i got deleted even using all defensives at start xdd

[fierce laurel]

Lots of people do

[graceful ravine]

assa still S according to supa

[jolly sierra]

are tier lists a meme?

[waxen meteor]

Guys when you have demo lock in lobby

Do you target them?

[minor cape]

depends on the other guy

[hard garnet]

Anyone going sub full mastery tomorrow?

[minor cape]

wait

does sub has any changes?

tommorow

please send

cant seem to find anything on that

[waxen meteor]

I think more related to sin nerf

[fierce laurel]

Is it possible to guarantee a 418 lariat craft?

[minor cape]

its like a minor nerf

[wise breach]

I believe so with an Illustrious Insight

[waxen meteor]

I won’t say it’s a big nerf but I won’t call it minor either

[terse mountain]

Hi guys, I'm pretty new to pvp. Currently going assa for it. I just wanted to ask, when should I vanish and deathmark? are there conditions

[jolly sierra]

got mes in the match

[karmic mica]

Vanish is weird because its a strong defensive and offensive

you can use it to get a buffed garrote + silence for a bigger deathmark or use it to get out

safest time to deathmark is if you have cross cc and can kidney/bomb kill targ into a deathmark, but its so situational

and with the state of things right now you can just kinda yolo deathmark at any time and still get ridiculous pressure lmfao

[minor cape]

i once again tried dark brew tech er build

i dont get it at all my dudes

no shadowdust = pain

it makes sub feel like assas but bad

🥹

[halcyon timber]

Wtb mop or cata subtlety over legion rework

[terse mountain]

Yeah that's the problem I face. Do I try to run for a restealth or just vanish, should I wait for vanish to use if I'm in trouble or use it for the buff garrote. Is it bad to use deathmark in your opener?

[halcyon timber]

It depends, if enemies trade a lot to live you could win or you could still die. Or if team mates have any common sense to continue cc and go all in

Something really you have to feel out and “know” by roguing a lot

[fierce laurel]

This is my problem to. Even just getting more dances back i feel like I need it.

[minor cape]

maybe its just too slow for lower to mid mmr idk

[karmic mica]

On paper i feel like deathmark opener isnt technically ideal

but especially in shuffles and 2s its been working totally fine

[inner yew]

Just be a nightelf and shadowmeld lmao

Save vanish for a rainy day

[jolly sierra]

or be a panda for free food and 1 more gouge

[spark egret]

destro getting giga buf ftho no?

??

what

lmao

[oblique fox]

disc or hpal w/ sin & surv?

[spark egret]

there we go

[graceful ravine]

did you read the line under it

[spark egret]

the bug fix ye

[graceful ravine]

thats a big aoe nerf

[fierce laurel]

Have you seen destros breakdown? It’s like 80% instant cast right now.

[graceful ravine]

and a buff to ST

[jolly sierra]

ha chaos bolt goes psh psh

[graceful ravine]

lmao this is wild

[jolly sierra]

6-0 in 3k

how mad

[graceful ravine]

on an alt

[spark egret]

See

Warrior broken

[graceful ravine]

it seems extremely easy to snipe/coordinate games at that cr...

due to limited ppl queueing

[waxen meteor]

Didn’t he even play warrior in AWC

[graceful ravine]

i wonder if theres a world where sneaky people boost their friends up with alts (losing on purpose) to secure r1 spots

[waxen meteor]

I see him against mvqdh with rogue as well

[jolly sierra]

me warrior

[waxen meteor]

He queued with mvqdh

Wait the SP name is PikabooSP?

[graceful ravine]

thats wizz

[waxen meteor]

lol heal priest name is funny

[tardy sequoia]

Is it worth buying Glad's Medallion as Human given we have Will to Survive?

[minor cape]

yes, cause not all the control can be broken w it

the boost of humans is you get reduced cooldown on trinket

if you use will first

correct me if im wrong

[jolly sierra]

thought there was a huge CD shared w trink as human

[fierce laurel]

replicating shadows keeps you in combat on the dummy, does it do it in pvp too?

[jolly sierra]

fkn pally fuck me the dots w a blinding light

1-5 against dk/ret/warr

1 more and im gonna eat something

[waxen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-panda-bamboo-panda-hungry-panda-eating-gif-17804693

[jolly sierra]

me

is this gatekeeping? there are just 1k8 arena masters and glad mounts everywhere lol

[summer plinth]

omg

im about to throw in the towel on rogue. stuck in 1200-1400 hell lol

Is there anything else I can be doing to play more defensively? i feint on cd and get my bleeds up and shiv and try to run away when I'm being pressured

I can't stay in on any opener in this bracket cause healers can't keep up

[waxen meteor]

that means you are not sin

4 dps already without you

[waxen meteor]

Did you try go on healer?

i want to play a healer as well

[summer plinth]

yeah. got peeled off and my healer trinketed the first cc and then i died on the next cc on him after ~30 seconds

[waxen meteor]

does hpal have any offensive skill?

or it's pure healer now

[waxen meteor]

Try to split the group

if dps runs towards your team, sap their healer behind, tripple sap, blind

let others use some CDs down there

[summer plinth]

Ah. That's a good idea

[pale storm]

At lower CR you can sometimes just sap a dps/blind their trinket and just run at healers, all in healers at start
Even at like 1800-1900 you can see how the healers are first round and if weak just run at them

[waxen meteor]

you swap to healer even at 3200 sometimes (In picaboo's stream)

[summer plinth]

I wish I could sap. Every lobby has a DH in it

Lol

[waxen meteor]

it's fine, then go at DH

DH isn't tanky

if DH vision is interrupted by your healer, then you can sap

if DH vision is not interrupted and just rush into your team when his teammates are miles behind, open hard and kill him

if you can play pillar game with him for hide and seek with DH (DH with both vision and aura on), you can run behind at some cases

if DH doesn't open aoe aura, you can step sap DH

[dusk spindle]

would u guys agree that tenacity and being a dumbass is the samething?

was playing with a warrior he only hit the healer with like 396k hp rather than the monk with 300k HP,

[graceful ravine]

i just learned to only go 3-3 on my alt

this way i can capitalize on conq gain and still stay low cr

call me a genius

[waxen meteor]

[icy canyon]

Anyone else feel bad for shamans

[waxen meteor]

why?

[spark egret]

they get bullied

[waxen meteor]

arent they S tier

[warm lance]

Ele is cracked

[proper heath]

Disc needs a nerf in dmg for sure .

Dont know why its not in patch notes. Kinda wild. Mabe because their healing is shit. But that tradeoff is not balanced.

[midnight skiff]

supabad is so clueless

awful tier list

[warm lance]

Every tier list is awful

[jolly sierra]

yes

[waxen meteor]

it's what people love to watch

[jolly sierra]

even more awful

[waxen meteor]

they probably don't want to make it as well

[jolly sierra]

because he put tanks in that high tier

[waxen meteor]

and he probably gets more attention by doing that haha

[midnight skiff]

idc about the tanks the whole tier list is fried

besides assa

[waxen meteor]

is it even for 10.0.5?

or 10.0.7

[midnight skiff]

doesnt matter wouldnt be right for 07 either

[minor cape]

dude put sub in a tier

[potent pivot]

Ew did someone link a tier list?

[minor cape]

🤮

i mean protection pal is even worse

than any tank

🥹

[minor cape]

these patch notes are kinda fucked tbh

[jolly sierra]

protadin deserves hell

for fucking so much rounds with their BS

[minor cape]

why is it even in the game

[minor cape]

why would they even buff warlock isnt it already good

[potent pivot]

And hunters

[minor cape]

i mean mm buffs is fine

[tawny kestrel]

if its a solo shuffle list sub should be s tier

[waxen meteor]

tbh hunter is already a pain in the ass

[spark egret]

raz

[minor cape]

more like ass tier

[spark egret]

brother

[minor cape]

not for sub players

[spark egret]

[minor cape]

hehe

[tawny kestrel]

[minor cape]

alert: mm hunter detected in a rogue discord

[tawny kestrel]

its a l2p issue if u dont think sub is at least A tier

[spark egret]

@potent pivotI'm about to cook

[zinc nexus]

Make me something

[spark egret]

get deeny in here I promised him some good cooking

[zinc nexus]

I'm hungry 😦

[potent pivot]

Microwave ramen and take a nap

No cooking necessary

[waxen meteor]

tha

is your profile picture

not real you

[potent pivot]

You mean Raz’s pfp? Yes that’s really him

The coolest lone wolf you’ll ever see

[minor cape]

for me it is the best spec 🥹

[tawny kestrel]

great so we agree

sub is the best spec for solo shuffle

[minor cape]

i should watch your streams i guess

so i can play better

[tawny kestrel]

im not that good at sub

[minor cape]

it says you have rank 1?

on twitch

[tawny kestrel]

i do

whats ur point

[minor cape]

on sub?

then you good

🤔🤔🤔

[tawny kestrel]

thats not for solo shuffle but sure

[minor cape]

so i should ask

which build you play?

or would you play

as sub in shuffle

would it be dark brew er secret tech

[tawny kestrel]

i play this BUQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFAAARJBAAAAAAQIJJJSCEggkISSSSSSSkiIJNkkQSCABAAAA

[minor cape]

i tried it

many times

i just cannot make it work as well as rotten secret tech

[warm lance]

Sub is probably a-b until 2.7 then its s from what ive seen Raz and others say

[minor cape]

can you guys tell me what i am doing wrong 🥹

with this build

[tawny kestrel]

might not be u doing anything wrong

low mmr isnt great for sub

just have to get through it

[warm lance]

Also cant say what youre doing wrong if we cant see you play

[tawny kestrel]

sub becomes s tier after u get a bit of rating

[minor cape]

i see the potential, i just seem to have not enough goes

without shadowdust

[minor cape]

at which point is it?

like helming says?

[tawny kestrel]

ye

[minor cape]

my goal for now is 1800 and i am close 😖

well i guess just have to try

and go higher with whatever build thay works

what is the advantage of this vs shadowdust

isnt shadowdust like

more goes = more damage

do those ruptures really matter that much

[minor cape]

going to record a shuffle at some point and send here

[graceful ravine]

lmao lower cr shuffle is like the wild west

this hunter talking shit, so i threw the 2 games i had with him

then smashed him 4-0 on the other side, making him go 0-6 ahaha