pvp

[zinc nexus]

BDO was my kryptonite

[minor cape]

swtor is, it was some of the sickest pvp ever before the last patch

[warm lance]

If I still had a friend who played BDO who didnt care to gear grind id probably just duel them everyday still

Used to do that with a friend everyday for like 10hrs

[minor cape]

but ranked in swtor was a very small community

[warm lance]

swtor is floaty with bad animations. I played it

[minor cape]

ans they just deleted it

i really like it

but last few years it was becoming so shitty

i cant play it anymore

what does floaty mean

as to animations i think those are cooler tbh

and the whole game is really stylish

[warm lance]

Thats a personal preference thing tbh

[minor cape]

yeah true

[warm lance]

my personal favourite mmo ever was wildstar though

rip

[minor cape]

vanilla swtor stuff is just like vanilla wow in terms of locations

they are so atmospheric and nice

[proper heath]

do people play swortor alot still?

[minor cape]

and then the newer ones you dont give a fuck about

[warm lance]

I played vanilla swtor

[minor cape]

i started when first dlc came out

and those first planets are insane

[minor cape]

yes but not pvp

so i dont give a fuck about it

anymore

and its so outdated

when i moved to wow i was shocked how modernised it is

no crossrealm

😵‍💫

[proper heath]

nice alternative to wow swtor was .

[minor cape]

no more

[proper heath]

But I think the biggest competition atm is FF14

for sure .

[warm lance]

It was. Same as Rift for a little bit

[proper heath]

omg I played RIFT

[warm lance]

FF14 and WoW are a really good duo to have around

[proper heath]

There was a class like Rogue in rift

It was almost copy pasta

[warm lance]

Was my main class

But you were able to make your own mini class within

cause of the build system

[proper heath]

Was it like rogue? I swear it had something like cheapshot. I had something like kidney

[warm lance]

the omega crazy talents

[minor cape]

every game has a rogue clone xd

[warm lance]

One of the talent trees was like a rogue yes

You more or less were able to make what is modern survival hunter

on the rogue

[minor cape]

never even heard of rift

[warm lance]

old ass game

[minor cape]

is it a game from that time when every month there were 7 new mmo games

[warm lance]

More or less

Around the same time warhammer online was a thing

And original Aion

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

🦫

[sharp sierra]

[proper heath]

8/8 Teams tomorrow in AWC has rogues.

1/8 is Sub. 7/8 are Assa.

[sharp sierra]

[proper heath]

But!!! 8/8 of those teams have healers... so mabe healers need to get nerfed... people seem to be running them alot

[sharp sierra]

time to let sin go

yeah wtf healer meta

[proper heath]

I remember when M+ teams could run 4 dps 1 tank

[warm lance]

Hmm. Wonder how many items of honor gear do I need to reach 408 with crafted

[proper heath]

Legion were the days ...

[warm lance]

I miss Legion

Swapping trinket and leggos between packs..

[proper heath]

I think assa is strong. But it's not because of damage.

I dont think nerfing our damage does anything.

Because best teams like Poggers running Disc priest that is doing more damage than the arcane mage .
Mabe they nerf kidney shot to 30 secs or something

Even if we take -5% next week. We will still be the top melee.

[sharp sierra]

id take a damage nerf for a defensive buff

[proper heath]

I think all mainstat needs to be nerfed.

People dying through life swap etc.

how unfun to heal

[potent pivot]

can you imagine if tank teams were in the awc

[sharp sierra]

god damn sub feels so much smoother than sin

i miss thistle tea though

[potent pivot]

i also find it funny that wound stacking with psyfiend and fel fissure made it almost all the way through the awc before they did something about it

like it leads me to believe they do not have anything logging things on the back end for pvp

[dense thorn]

if you have the improved garrote, and you are going for kill are you using vanish for an improved envom with master assassin?

[potent pivot]

no

MA is not really worth playing around to the point of wasting vanish on it

[warm lance]

I use vanish only in situations I know it lands a kill or to survive

Like healer is in full sap with no trinket

Then I gamble it on my life

Getting used to ye ole surv again though

Gotta rethink my keybinds abit

[potent pivot]

how does it play now :o

in SL you just spammed KC's bombs and KS

[warm lance]

Well just abit of bg and dungeon experience so far, but it looks like its mostly running around, throwing bombs and serpent stings, conc shots for slows, slow traps, root traps and other usual hunter stuff. Mongoose bites for pressure windows and during CA you spam KS alot

Feels kinda similar to what I did in BFA

Though I only played 2v2 on it then

So I was more in the melee range

Im gonna watch Bicmex 2hr long video on it today

[proper heath]

Liquid, Mes and Cdew have a brewmaster strat. They were talking about it on stream. Like a legit brewmaster strat vs casters

[potent pivot]

he goes ham, remember watching his long ass SL vids

[warm lance]

But it does look like its alot of KC and bombs on downtime

[proper heath]

We can't see it tho. because they can't qualify! Omegalul. Feelsbad

[warm lance]

Kinda similar to sub in a weird way

Honestly im gonna gear this up next

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm still trying to decide what i'm gonna do first

[warm lance]

Warrior is fun to play but its abit too braindead

[potent pivot]

alt rogue, hunter or priest to give healing a try

[warm lance]

I want something more engaging alongside the rogue

And SV seems like the perfect fit

Plus its my old main anyway

[potent pivot]

the main appearance i want is warr tbh

[warm lance]

Oh right and I get to re-do hunter mage tower now too

whoopee..

[potent pivot]

why do you have to redo it?

[warm lance]

Get the skin for hunter

[potent pivot]

haven't done it since legion or something

ah

[warm lance]

Last time I did was Legion yeah

I finished the warr and rog ones, still gonna do lock and now hunter

[potent pivot]

i think the BM one is easy iirc

the worms or w/e

[warm lance]

oh same as WW?

[potent pivot]

i think so

[warm lance]

think i did that

[potent pivot]

the surv one is the same as sub

[warm lance]

@proper heath unbound autorun from T and im noticing me pressing it ALOT

In so many idle situations

Thisll take a while to get used to

[warm lance]

So same as Arms then

[proper heath]

can you tell me specifically when u press it. Like what are you doing.

I'm trying to understand how different people play.

I really dont use auto run. Almost ever. Mabe ... I'm the stupid one.

[warm lance]

Just now in Ashran, I was running back away from the frontline so I pressed autorun while I looked around

All these little things im encountering now, I dont think I can unbind this key anymore

[proper heath]

but you can just hold in W

?

[warm lance]

Yeah, but it frees my left hand while I run off

[proper heath]

what are you doing with your left hand?

?

Jerking off?

[warm lance]

Its become such a habbit over a few years that ill just stick to this

[potent pivot]

i only ever use it when flying somewhere far

[warm lance]

lmao nah, just obsessively looking at inventory/character window etc or grabbing a drink

[proper heath]

LOL

okok

[warm lance]

Lemme grab a clip if it shows up there

[proper heath]

I meaning eating some chips is a legit reason I guess

[potent pivot]

[proper heath]

Mabe. W should be Autorun.

0_0

Is that 5 head or what?

I'm not saying I"m a genius or anything.

[potent pivot]

lol

[warm lance]

welp i got thrown off a bridge and insta got enough film to show it

[uneven grove]

what do u mean?

overwrite what?

[warm lance]

but i didnt have shadowplay on

lmao

[proper heath]

it's ok my friend .

I'm just teasing you.

T is off limits we get it. No need to show onlyfans vods.

[warm lance]

no i actually started to think about it myself too now

And Im catching myself using it mid combat too

kinda frees my small man baby hands to use keybinds better

[proper heath]

see. I'm a genius .
@warm lance Heres your solution.

[proper heath]

But seirously. LOL. Imagine pressing auto run mid combat in pvp. ROFL

[warm lance]

that whole short bit was auto run

I also later just for fun kited a felguard and used auto run for that

My brains weird

[proper heath]

Dude. my eyes.

You know thats what the W key is for right?

W

[warm lance]

[proper heath]

Lol I can't believe you auto run that

[warm lance]

Its nice not pressing a button down all the time

[proper heath]

Bro. Just make W your auto run then you might as well

[warm lance]

Its such a subconscious thing Ive learned to do that I cant fucking figure out WHY

I know I was dropped as a baby and ive jumped off tables onto my head as a kid but man

[proper heath]

I've never needed to take my left hand off my keyboard that much. damn.

[warm lance]

Though Ive seen and heard of weirder things people do

[proper heath]

I'm missing out.

Mabe I need to use auto run more. So I can like do curls while chasing a warlock.

[warm lance]

Theres a high end raider in ffxiv who plays with 2 hands on his keyboard and he only moves his mouse to reposition camera, then uses his characters positioning to see what he needs to

That weirded me out

Oh hell yeah

[proper heath]

Warlock gates. Auto run. Do a set while my rogue gets there. You know what I'm sayin?

[warm lance]

idk i just noticed myself doing like, W for a bit, then swap and press T while im jumping and only press A/D while still autorunning and then I can use my middle finger on 1-3

Then again ive also fucked up the joints on my fingers so probably thats part reason

Like my 1-2 binds as a whole are on stuff I dont use often while Q and E are my 1-2 replacements

Theyre binds I might need fast, but not often

I should start streaming with a keyboard layout just to show this shit off cause its hilarious

[proper heath]

Hehe .

[warm lance]

Im gonna subconsciously think about this for the next few days while playing

[potent pivot]

if you don't want to hold W couldn't you just use your mouse?

[warm lance]

I hold down lmb or rmb

If i hold down lmb-rmb the character turns with my camera

https://tenor.com/view/taps-if-you-say-so-gif-9803186

[potent pivot]

ya

[warm lance]

I got an idea

[potent pivot]

you just use Q and E to strafe

[warm lance]

There new name

[potent pivot]

i'm so confused

[warm lance]

Disparity on my hunters ratings is kinda weird

bfa s1

[warm lance]

Im even more confused now that i started to think about what the fuck im doing when i play

[potent pivot]

lmao

[warm lance]

What did we learn? dont ask me for help with keybinding

[proper heath]

more like... you need help

😄

[warm lance]

Nahhh im doing fine

Ill prove it by autorunning to 2.4

[proper heath]

Bro I want a montage

On when u press auto run in arena.

It's gonna be badass. I'll have mad respect

style on them

[warm lance]

I bet it happens every combat

regular fights i move with lmb-rmb but whenver i run into one direction while turning camera i auto

Its hilarious

[proper heath]

We all do subconscious stuff without realizing it.

[minor cape]

why da hell when you do two 2-4s in a row your mmr drops to hell

and when you do three 4-2s in a row

your mmr = your rating

[proper heath]

All depends on your mmr and the players in the bracket.

If your 2-4s are vs lower mmr players, IE, you are the highest MMR player and they are low. And you go 2-4. Then ur shit is gonna tank.

Think you just got unlucky. Theres no hidden system to tank your rating.

[warm lance]

Yeah but how many people auto run randomly

[minor cape]

i know yeah

also wtf w games today

did two shuffles both a leaver after first two rounds

[thick dagger]

I had a leaver the other day get -0 for leaving I was like wtf

[sharp sierra]

in what comps do u go sub tech build

[minor cape]

always

it only depends if dark brew

or rotten

i think

[sharp sierra]

evis build gives me 60-70k crits

[warm lance]

plus shadow portion?

so 90-100k? 👀

[sharp sierra]

cant reach that for some reason

i do want thistle tea instead of echo though

[warm lance]

it shows up as 2 different damage instances

[sharp sierra]

ah u mean as shadow when you use it on targets with exposed

find weakness i mean

yeah it shows 60k normal crit and 50-60k shadow on details

[minor cape]

how huge is that dark brew boost?

and is there any way we can somehow get both sadowdust and brew?

[proper heath]

I just want to play the game

[sharp sierra]

just reroll healer bro

stop having fun with your choice and put time and effort into something you dont like so that the problem magically fixes itself

👍

What should i have my primal chaos to get? I have about 50 of them now and i was going to make the daggers but don’t need anymore.

[proper heath]

For PvP, you need Primal for 2 Infurious pieces. Boots and Helm. And then 20 primal for mainstat gem

and thats it

[sharp sierra]

Okay, thanks

[jolly sierra]

if it says "instead enhances" then overwrites the ability from 2set, right?

[uneven grove]

yes, instead of 2 stacks u have 3

and those 3 RSK, SCK will boost your next FoF by 3x5% max

[jolly sierra]

and will still be boosted by 30%, right?

[uneven grove]

basically with 3 stacks u don't have to pay attention, you will have the buff always almost

yes 3 boosted attacks

[jolly sierra]

nice

[uneven grove]

i played some WW today, my 2s mmr is actually higher than my solo now

[jolly sierra]

will safely have the 4set for next week, lets see how will go

[jolly sierra]

i still recall that WW spamming FoF

[uneven grove]

maybe i will push 2k in 2s and let solo rot, i feel miserable playing that shit

especially with monk, it is so reliant on healer

in 2s enemy surv hunter healed more than me on WW

[jolly sierra]

yeah, a druid yesterday was unable to heal me in 1st seconds i had 2 dps over me

so i died insta outside smokebomb and DM

cuz the guy didn't used swiftness xdd

[sharp sierra]

how long till 10.1 comes out

[warm lance]

finna auto run some 2s in a bit with a friend fully PvE geared at 417ilvl lmao

[vocal surge]

is the Outlaw set bonus increased by 150% in pvp?

since every source is saying 20% per combo point for 2p and 50% dispatch damage on 4p

when ingame says 8% per combo point spent and 25% dispatch damage

[warm lance]

nvm hes making a new char

[kind parcel]

I just had an arena match vs a rogue, we each killed the other guy then it became 1v1

I lasted vs him every time he reset until heavy dampening then he got me (im arms war)

I was wondering what class can actually reliably 1v1 a rogue and win in such a situation (in arena with dampening)

[vocal surge]

Warlocks

[kind parcel]

Don't warlocks suffer in dampening?

Rogue waits till heavy damp then lock dies

[hard garnet]

Sorry Ive been out all week

How bad is the 4pc nerf?

[vocal surge]

pretty sure warlocks dont really suffer in dampening

they have a lot of shields

that takes effort to break through

[kind parcel]

Shield suffer in dampening im sure just like heals no?

[warm lance]

warlock shields are counted as healing

[vocal surge]

That's interesting

[echo canyon]

@potent pivot which build would you recommend for sub in SS?

[proper heath]

theres a 4P nerf?

[wise breach]

8.4% nerf to Garrote and Rupture assuming 100% uptime

[uneven grove]

probably april i would guess

[lucid lark]

Where do exchange primal chaos?

[wise breach]

Rabul is the NPC I think, the Artisan's Consortium vendor next to where you place crafting orders

[lucid lark]

Ye I found it ty

[sharp sierra]

second vicious mount

[quasi wren]

How do you get vicious saddle nowdays ? Is it by achieving glad ?

[sharp sierra]

wins over 1000 rating

[long topaz]

trying out some assa in pvp now, what poisons do we use with dragon tempered and is exsang that good with 4set or is it fine without

[sharp sierra]

deadly, wound, crippling, numbing

[red basalt]

I'm using elvui - when in arena, the frames come up as raid frames instead of party frames, so my parties CDs are all overlapping. Is there around this?

[sharp sierra]

fistweaving monks sitting melee and getting cleaved/ccd

then crying to dps that they arent doing enough

[graceful ravine]

is leveling thru bgs still the way to go? feels slow with 10 min qs

[bold bison]

man every twitch channel I go on says Assa Rogue is free 3k in solo shuffle. I got Glad last expansion, I literally cannot get out of the 1.6k - 1.9k bracket, every team goes me 100% of the time. I trade effectively, I don't overlap with the healer, but I die before 2 minutes every. single. game.

[plucky sage]

Quest in between

Fastest is always gonna be cobalt assembly tagging

[bold bison]

I'm higher rated in 2s and 3s than I am in Solo, how is this 'free'

[graceful ravine]

whats that

[plucky sage]

Azure span in cobalt assembly, elite mobs rep farm. Find a shard with lots of people, tag everything with shuriken storm, then let the xp roll in

[graceful ravine]

do you need a group or u can do it solo with tags?

[plucky sage]

Solo with tags, groups won't take you with your ilvl

Hence finding a populated shard so you can tag off group farms

[graceful ravine]

hah ofc

ty

ill try it

[plucky sage]

1900 xp per mob afaik

[feral wigeon]

My favorite game modes are RBGs followed by solo shuffle, which spec would you recommend overall?

I'm outlaw but it seems I should keep that for PvE

[sharp sierra]

high rating is filled with skilled people in an echo chamber which lower rated people follow religiously about "meta"

rogue actually shines in an above average skill player

and low rated other classes see a good rogue once and they wont stop crying about it while they crit 170k mortal strikes

awc is not the 1900 bracket

[proper heath]

Solo shuffle is not 3s.

if u get 3k thats pretty good tho.

I'm 2950. And quing into triple rogue lobbies.

I have No idea whats going on

Everyone was bled. All 6 players. was bleeding

at one point

[warm lance]

But youre no 2950 by using auto run tech

peasant

[proper heath]

Get me out

[proper heath]

That lobby was the worst

[warm lance]

i had a triple rog lobby at 1.6 on my sub

I wont

[proper heath]

Every single person and their dog had a garrote rupture on them

[echo canyon]

is anyone tracking stuff like sophic devotion procs?

[lucid lark]

first RSS on new rogue and instance aborted

[graceful ravine]

odd, in my 300+ assa games ive only matched with another assa rogue once lol

[graceful ravine]

think they nerfed it?

[proper heath]

yes

[echo canyon]

do you have a weak aura?

[proper heath]

Lol yes but I dont think I can link it here

[echo canyon]

is it available on wago?

[proper heath]

No I made my own

[echo canyon]

can you dm pls?

[proper heath]

I had no idea what was going on. It was the most confusing set I've ever done.

It was a Get me the fuck out of here situation

I wonder if we can get 4 Assa lobbies

Pls dont jinx myself 🤞

[sharp sierra]

god damn sub energy generation is so slow

[grizzled basin]

Are people still playing the assa build with both DTB and Arterial precision (for solo shuffle) ? I see none of the top players running it anymore

[plucky sage]

Ph, damn they must have :/ sorry

[plucky sage]

DTB+AP Build: (VS Melee Cleaves)
Import:
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From #pvp-faq

[grizzled basin]

Awesome, thank you

[plucky sage]

Np

[lucid citrus]

Anyone watching AWC

[proper heath]

yes

American Whites Conference

[lucid citrus]

Yesss

[wanton breach]

buff sub rogue pls

[graceful ravine]

nerf assa buff outlaw

tonyferal not playing the cc reduc boots

oversight or intended? lmao

[plucky sage]

what am I supposed to spend honour on when I cap?

[lucid lark]

marks or mats

[plucky sage]

ah yeah ok, I see last page of vendor

[tawny kestrel]

would be unfair

[thick dagger]

Make every class overpowered so nobody bitches anymore problem solved

[graceful ravine]

power is relative between specs

[lucid lark]

I wonder if I'll ever stop having arena anxiety

[graceful ravine]

if everybody is overpowered, then there will be specs more overpowered than others, back to the same problem

[lucid lark]

Idk why, but in BGs I play fluidly and just do what I have to do and pick good options most of the time. In arena I'm like

[plucky sage]

in BGs the stakes for dying are much lower, so your heart rate is lower, and you play more relaxed. The opposite is true in Arena

[thick dagger]

Power is not relative at all lmfao 🤣

[plucky sage]

ofc it is

x is more powerful than y but less powerful than z. y loses power due to z existing, if z no longer exists y is the most powerful. Relative.

[lucid lark]

Also if you made every spec in the game equally powerful from a numbers perspective, then the specs that can deliver their damage safer will be better. There will never, ever be a time where one or two specs isn't fundamentally better bc their kit is just slightly better

[graceful ravine]

a great example is shadowlands S1, every class was "overpowered" with 1 shot potential. The class that came out on top was warriors because they had the most defensives to survive the 1 shots

[lucid lark]

Also most MMOs have a myriad of insane factors for devs to consider. Imagine the insane numbers game of dealing with stat weights ALONE, before you consider anything else

[queen frigate]

heya guys, i'm gonna start to learn assa pvp, which build do you recommand (besides the melee and casters cleave) for a begginer ? The full dot or the other ?

[lucid lark]

Like lets pretend no class has any buttons and they just auto attack each other. One class become crazy strong because it attacks from range, and with slightly higher haste/crit, they crit autos slightly harder and faster. How do we balance this?

[lucid citrus]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1068193089342165092

[thick dagger]

@graceful ravine wrong again my man the first season of shadow lands was Sub being top with echoing 1 shotting by Itself till it got nerfed

[fierce laurel]

Damn, that single target damage expectation from the sub mage tower is no joke.

[queen frigate]

i don't understand you ping tbh

[graceful ravine]

that lasted 1 whole week

doesnt reflect the meta of the season

[thick dagger]

Lasted 3 and half weeks but k

[graceful ravine]

sub was running ventyr for 95% of the season

[lucid citrus]

That’s a channel where all the recommended builds are for each spec of the class

[queen frigate]

yeah i know, i already checked it, my question was like for a begginer, besides of melee / casters cleave (which is obvious) which of the first builds to use ?

[thick dagger]

Arms wasn’t top with Necro till season 2 and that was straight thanks to Mud because most ran kyrain which was shit compared to Necro

[graceful ravine]

did you not watch awc of s1

[thick dagger]

Once all the one shot vids of mud starting pouring out everyone switched

[graceful ravine]

every team and their mothers had an arms warrior

[lucid lark]

[thick dagger]

Lmfao now it’s AWC

[graceful ravine]

awc determines meta yes

[thick dagger]

You do know AWC is balanced different than live right ?

[graceful ravine]

like how we have assa in every awc comp now

because rogues on top

[lucid citrus]

I would use the full bleed/poison build in that channel imo

[graceful ravine]

simple logic

[thick dagger]

When you defend something try to stay on the same subject don’t go from seasons to AWC your just contradicting yourself 😂

[graceful ravine]

my point is that power is relative

i have no idea what your point is

grasping at straws

[thick dagger]

AWC is not the same as Season 1 or 2

[lucid lark]

+1 for that build, dropping exang didnt really hurt

AWC doesn't determine the meta, it determines what everyone FOTM rerolls to while it happens. NA and EU meta are different for example. AWC also has access to different gear that normal players might not have all neatly stacked up

[thick dagger]

^^^ this 100%

[graceful ravine]

there is an assa rogue in every team in both regions

how is that not a meta

[lucid lark]

In a vacuum with perfect tier, some PVE mythic picks likes bow, or some specific rings and trinkets

It is the meta for AWC, but doesn't impact live as much

[graceful ravine]

meta is just what spec is doing the best atm

and its assa rogue across every metric

and that reflects in awc and ladder

[thick dagger]

Meta is 2 things comp and melee or range/spellcasters just try not to spread so much miss information some people come in here with 0 xp and takes others words like they were spoken from god itself

[winged pike]

s1 being wmpala mirrors for 4 cups or wtv

[graceful ravine]

currently meta is rogue/x/healer and thats a fact

no idea what your point is actually

numbers speak for themselves

[winged pike]

ladder does play a bit diff than awc cuz people won’t play shit they don’t like on ladder but they will for tourneys

and some comps which have fatal weaknesses like ret warr can just queue snipe

and then log off when rmp comes along

the classic

they spawn in at 3k mmr and log off anytime they see a sub rogue

[lucid lark]

Something to consider is while 3v3 numbers show rogue favorably, the disparity between rogues and the next DPS on that list is only 30 people. Another clue is you've shown people above 3k CR, and LFG is currently extremely deflated with glad exp players sitting around 2-2.4k on average. And these are multiglad players. Across top 5k players in the WORLD, these are the numbers

[graceful ravine]

The meta is determined by the pro players bc they will play what gives them the highest chance of victory

[fierce laurel]

Are you seriously trying to argue that sin is not a huge part of the current arena meta?

[graceful ravine]

Not determined by top5000 plebs like us

[lucid lark]

As we can see, rogue itself sits in the middle as far as overall representation, which tells us that while sin is doing great with perfect gear in AWC meta, rogues are not dominating bracket in the real world

[graceful ravine]

That’s because casuals will play whatever they like, not what wins games

[lucid lark]

I wouldn't consider top 5k arena players worldwid as casual players

[graceful ravine]

Everybody should have perfect gear in 2 weeks

Bruh top5000 on assa rogue is 1300 cr

[fierce laurel]

Bro then explain this.

[graceful ravine]

That’s pretty damn casual

[lucid lark]

This is top 5k across all players on all specs

[graceful ravine]

And what’s the avg rating of that

[fierce laurel]

The existence of sin rogues caused players to class change.

[lucid lark]

I'd actually argue that this was because ferals were overtuned. People went DiD before sin got 4set

And also because DiD is fucking bonkers

How many destro/demo locks were in AWC

[fierce laurel]

A lot.

Almost as many as sin.

[lucid lark]

How about resto druid

[fierce laurel]

A lot. Almost as many as sin.

[worthy crag]

Sin could use more nerfs tbh

[graceful ravine]

top5000 in US, 319 DHs fit in that category, looked up #319 on ladder 3v3, they are 1800

so yes, pretty damn casual

[lucid lark]

Why are you ignoring 3v3 deflation

Casual players aren't queueing LFG because SS exists

LFG is HUGELY deflated. That's been an issue for awhile

[graceful ravine]

lmao

then why did you post that as a reference?

you used top5000 as a metric, not me

im mere pointing out that youre talkign about 1800 rated players

[lucid lark]

Because the conversation was about if AWC changes meta on the live game

[worthy crag]

Usually live has less to do with AWC than AWC has to do with live

because every 1100 rated idiot will still want to mimic what they saw as op in awc

[lucid lark]

I think the answer is "sort of"

[worthy crag]

it happens in every game, not just wow

ppl in rat league follow and want to reproduce what they saw in competitive play

[lucid lark]

but is spec dependent. Sin is good, but not everyone can be good with sin. But like, DH was pretty free. So free that the AVERAGE rss rating for Dh before their nerfs was something like 1800

[worthy crag]

idk, I personally think sin is pretty free

[lucid lark]

I thought ST sub was free

[worthy crag]

reason it looks like DH is more free than sin is because dh is better into double melee cleave which is more common in RSS

[lucid lark]

I think double melee is really common under 2k

after 2k, you see more casters

[graceful ravine]

this is good, adding more players to the r1 pool

[lucid lark]

except those people won't queue LFG, they'll just try to mimic AWC in RSS

[graceful ravine]

which adds to the r1 rss pool

[worthy crag]

eh

[lucid lark]

But you can't get glad in RSS

[worthy crag]

its a deflated season but i think people exaggerate how deflated it is

[graceful ravine]

and thats why i said r1...

[worthy crag]

ppl are just used to the unreal level of inflation that they saw in BFA and SL

like perma duelists in legion were tagging 3.1k exp in SL

[lucid lark]

I've seen a lot of people mention running into multi r1 players from 1600-1900 and they're just like permanently stuck there cannibalizing eachother with 1hr queues lmao

[worthy crag]

that happens in every season

some r1 players just goof around with their egirls

[graceful ravine]

the ease of making alts make this problem worse

[worthy crag]

and dont climb until the last week of season

I mean pika has been making content out of farming 1600 bracket for like 3 years now?

[graceful ravine]

but it does mean glad titles/mounts matter again

if its harder to get

[worthy crag]

ive queued quite a few 2s and 3s, yes you see alot of people on gladiator mounts

not really r1s though, not that many

[lucid lark]

Another issue with glad atm is some specs have one dude on like 6 alts, locking other ppl out

Which is pretty problematic

[worthy crag]

thats more of a r1 problem than glad

gladiator isnt spot locked

in fact it helps ppl get glad cuz that's 5 alts added to the inflation

but yes it is a problem that hpal r1 spot is taken up by 1 person with 6 alts

[lucid lark]

right but it's kind of an issue when a lot of players cant get to or stay above 2400 long enough to get glad bc casuals aren't queuing do to RSS

I genuinely wonder if blizz will make glad possible in SS

[graceful ravine]

needs to be much higher than 2400

2700 maybe

[worthy crag]

I personally dont see it as a problem that gladiator mount in this season will be much harder than any BFA or SL season

[tawny kestrel]

if u cant get glad u dont deserve glad

this isnt even real glad

its some discount piss

[lucid lark]

what

[tawny kestrel]

youre talking like everyone should just get glad

it should be hard to get

its good when less people get it

makes it more meaningful

[worthy crag]

They lowered the bar for gladiator insanely low when they changed it to 2400+ 50 wins

[lucid lark]

I'm not saying that at all lol

[tawny kestrel]

but seasons have been so unbelievably inflated for ages now

so 5000+ people get glad every season

it used to be 500-700 people

[worthy crag]

So it depends on what your standard lies

Some ppl think Bfa and SL seasons as abnormally inflated

or some ppl think that's the norm and DF seasons should be inflated like that

[lucid lark]

im saying the current situation with RSS taking casual bracket filler for LFG makes glad annoying to achieve outside of actually playing the game. that's not a reflection of who is deserving or not

[tawny kestrel]

i dont see how its a problem

if u want glad u can earn it

the only issue is less people playing 3s

[lucid lark]

That is a huge issue

[worthy crag]

I mean if its harder to get doesnt it just give it more prestige

[lucid lark]

Because getting glad in a bracket that a small percentage of the entire playerbase participates in somehow makes it less cool

[worthy crag]

that's.. not true at all

thats like saying unchained gladiator is cooler than any other season mount

[tawny kestrel]

personally think they can keep this 2.4+50 wins mount but make gladiator a separate thing

[worthy crag]

maybe if you said locking a reward within a very restrictive and unpopular content I would agree more

but it's precisely why its more prestigious

[lucid lark]

I view it as like.. hard=/=tedious. it's difficult currently because of the way the game is set up to incentivize people away from LFG

Also low exp players trying to find partners to even attempt LFG has got to be absolutely awful

[tawny kestrel]

its difficult because people have gotten used to being high rating

[worthy crag]

There's nothing that specifically incentivizes people to q RSS over 3s

[tawny kestrel]

so now when theyre below 2k

they feel bad and dont want to q

[worthy crag]

its just what people choose to engage in

blizz has nothing to do with it

[tawny kestrel]

the average person wont look at their ladder position

theyll just look at the number

[lucid lark]

I'd disagree just because it's easier for casual to just queue and play vs going thru the LFG hoops

[worthy crag]

But that's just the nature of solo q

its not a problem with wow or devs

Like, a popular MMORPG requiring to rely on LFG to premake their team before queueing at all was horrible outdated

I think it'd just be weird to forcibly incentivize people to use LFG and get a premade queue going just because solo q is mor epopular

I mean they could

but doing it because "glad is hard to get" is weird

If they for some reason introduce glad to RSS it'll kill LFG even more

[graceful ravine]

i think thats the route theyre gonna go

organized 3s will wither and die imo

[worthy crag]

eh idk

[graceful ravine]

reserved only for the r1s

[worthy crag]

id be surprised if they do that

[winged pike]

people always cry like “i was 2.2k lsxp and now i’m 1700…. game is broken????”

[graceful ravine]

regardless of titles, i dont see a world where 3v3 becomes more popular than it is now

[winged pike]

is there even a world where wow grows aside from new xpac releases

[worthy crag]

implementing good and fun game systems

lul

Well im sure the trading post will prevent a lot of sub fallout during mid-late phase of raid tiers

[plucky sage]

5000 world. Not US.

[graceful ravine]

yes, but i filtered it by 5000 US bc there isnt a way to find the # of each class in both regions combined

top5000 world would be #700 or something dh

[sharp sierra]

Is skilllcappped worth the money?

[lucid lark]

No

[sharp sierra]

Any other suggestions?

[lucid lark]

You can get a masterclass on your spec for free from individual player youtube channels or by watching their streams

Just have to find ones you like

[fierce laurel]

Literally just watch nahj vods and skip the part where he’s in queue

[lucid lark]

^

[worthy crag]

I remember when it was actually worth the money, good times

[winged pike]

some people’s overall game knowledge is low idk what skill capped offers but it’s important to understand other classes as wel

[lucid lark]

Also Pika had some really insightful vod review of games sent by people in his stream where he breaks down exactly what they did wrong, what to look out for

Roasted their Ui, obviously

[winged pike]

so if it’s gonna help with that then maybe

[fierce laurel]

He also responds immediately to chats especially if they’re technical rogue questions that aren’t basic.

[winged pike]

nah that shit was for like 1200 rated players i think

[lucid lark]

I watch bicmex and jellybeans for hunter

[winged pike]

telling people to rtb before opening

[lucid lark]

Why wouldnt you

[sharp sierra]

Iam a returning player never over 1.9k so will have to learn a lot to beat that

@fierce laurel will check him out thanks

[winged pike]

u do… i’m just saying that that was advice he was giving in the video

it was clearly meant for a uhhhh specific group of players

if u want to learn good pvp fundamentals i don’t think he’s that good of a resource

pretty sure skill capped should have cc arrangements for 3s and understanding how to compose ur basic cc shit like sapping kidney or fears

blind bomb sap etc

and u can absolutely learn them from watching good rogues but not as easy to just being told what to do

[lucid lark]

for sure, SC is useful, but you can get that info for free by watching vods and stuff is what I'm saying

And if you're thinking about SC, you probably are around 1300-1800

it is wild to me that as nerfed as DH is atm, they still shred

[cedar spoke]

Hi there , is it worth focusing on the 2P/4P set for BGs and PVP in general vs Conquest/honor parts ?

[plucky sage]

Yeah but people in the video weren't doing it. What kind of vod review would he be doing for those people if he didn't mention their obvious errors?

It wasn't submissions by randoms so the stream could learn. People submittted vods so he could tell them that to do better

[fierce laurel]

Any orcs still? How much is the AP from blood fury right now?

[worthy crag]

all orcs are currently rotting in internment camps, as they should

[lucid lark]

Hmm

Wonder why i cant see the revival catalyst quest

[graceful ravine]

drake playing AP hmm

hahahha

throwing their hands up in the air and said fuck it

holy shit they won

what lmao

[winged pike]

wtf

did not see that coming

warrior wins mirror confirmed???

shades of s1 sl

all that solo shuffle paying off

[lucid lark]

bro I cannot find the revival catalyst quest lmfao

[inner yew]

For 3s with a disc priest healer

[wintry dew]

On top of valdrakken city

[inner yew]

what would be our best 2nd dps choice?

[wintry dew]

The rock dude

[lucid lark]

I already unlocked it

I cant find the weekly

[wintry dew]

It's literally next to vault

Then

[lucid lark]

It isnt

[wintry dew]

Then you must have accepted it

[lucid lark]

I didn't

It's not in my log

And I havent done it this week

[wintry dew]

No quests in valdrakken tab then?

[lucid lark]

Nope

[wintry dew]

:l

Darn it no idea then

Open a ticket

[lucid lark]

Just did

[wintry dew]

Might get a response in like 2 weeks xD

[uneven grove]

this was a super good series

[inner yew]

What would be the best 2nd dps for a sin rogue disc priest comp?

[graceful ravine]

prob arcane mage

[sterile vale]

How do I escape 1.5k hell? My teammates clear my dots all the time and I get 0 peels (always trained cause rogue)

[sturdy canopy]

Mage or lock
Maybe a feral idf they're good

[graceful ravine]

damn drake threw that in the opener

used kidney and blind when his teammates were nowhere close

[uneven grove]

a DH just did hunt 1st global from 40 yards 6 out of 6 games

i saw everything officially

trying to learn healer in SS is the most fried thing ever

i don't recommend it

[lucid lark]

just had a game vs feral, uh, arcane

Just utterly dumpstered the entire time

[graceful ravine]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SecretiveQuaintBeeLeeroyJenkins-bWtRJUTUGtnI6OZn

drake with the game winning gouge

[tight veldt]

god playing rogue in ANY game against an arms + melee feels so ass

[potent pivot]

Yes

[kind parcel]

Boys I need an answer

Other than a better rogue

What classes can reliably beat a rogue 1v1 in an arena dampening situation once other team mates dead

[uneven grove]

there is no simple answer for that, because in arena when there is a cross kill people already used CDs

and trinket

and eye might be up already

so it really depends on a shit ton of factor

[wanton breach]

it's hard to describe how much I hate holy priests in solo shuffles

not facing them but being forced to have them in my team

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

what's this void shift you are talking about

that's no holy spell

[kind parcel]

Yes, so assume the rogue managed to reset and all cds are up on both players

I'm just trying to understand if any class can stand up and beat a rogue consistently when it's down to 1v1 in heavy dampening

I managed with my warrior to last about 4-5 resets but it just isn't possible vs a good rogue

I was wondering if any classes can pull it off or if its only better rogues

[oblique fox]

Hey everyone, what healer do you guys prefer in 3s? Hpal or Disc

[potent pivot]

as what spec

[keen portal]

any tips for running sub ret?

also can anyone tell me how to not die to frost mage? I quit literally cannot do anything if I am being slowed and kited I'm completely useless

[summer plinth]

whats order of importance for buying conquest gear? my rogue is new so I already bought pieces and got 2 set. Should I buy a weapon next?

[fierce laurel]

The first thing you need to know is if they’re running shimmer or not.

[potent pivot]

weapon -> big stat budget items like chest/legs etc -> jewelry -> trinkets

[fading blade]

With the 10% nerf, you think Sin will still be better than other specs?

[potent pivot]

it'll still be good

[spark egret]

sin is dead

[fading blade]

10% just seems like a lot lol

[spark egret]

big dead this time

[summer plinth]

Thank you! I got legs and shoulders for tier, since I crafted helm and boots for now. I'll get weapon next and then probably ring/neck

[spark egret]

it's over

for sincels

[potent pivot]

it's not going to be as big as you'd expect

[summer plinth]

i thought they were just nerfing the set bonus?

[potent pivot]

sin was pretty oppressive

[spark egret]

trickz

isn't the wound poison change worse

than just the set change

[potent pivot]

no

[spark egret]

because im reading that sin was getting double value from wound poison

[potent pivot]

DM wound poison was stacking with other classes effects like psyfiend and fel fissure

even if the duplication is gone we still have hemo

[fading blade]

Lol it was? thats fkin busted lmao

[potent pivot]

it's not going to be as bad as you'd think

bad players will scream sin is dead (no offense to anyone)

good players will still get r1 with it

[spark egret]

yeah that's

not really an argument though

good players get top rank with anything

[potent pivot]

that's not true

at all

if you go back and look at r1 cutoffs for 3v3

[spark egret]

oh 3v3

[potent pivot]

there have been many classes/specs left out

[spark egret]

content no on eplays anymore

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm ngl idc about r1 solo

[spark egret]

[potent pivot]

that's w/e

[spark egret]

I get you tho

[potent pivot]

if something isn't decent or balanced

like if something is dead

it doesn't usually get seen in r1 glad range

unless there's 1 die hard or something

like rn

sin is good even without a tier set

so i don't see how -10% on the 4set is going to kill the spec

[spark egret]

it was mostly the WP change

[potent pivot]

it just isn't going to be free 2.4k solo shuffle spec anymore

[spark egret]

I thought was big nerf

[spark egret]

was it before

[shrewd canyon]

yes

[spark egret]

every game vs arms warrior/another melee

want to die in hell

[shrewd canyon]

Also id assume we swap back to amp poison so our dmg is gonna be pretty jmuch the same as it is now

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[spark egret]

just wait

till ret pally gets 45 yard range

[fading blade]

thatll never pass

[potent pivot]

having wound constantly on your dotted targets is big

amp also isn't going to make up for even close to the 10%

[shrewd canyon]

i mean amp is 2x the dmg of wound

• the increase to envenom

might be a little less than 10% bleed dam

[fading blade]

wound is insane pressure lol

[potent pivot]

no one cares about the dmg from wound

[potent pivot]

it's a lot less

either way, assa isn't going to need more dmg

like i just said assa is fine even without tier set atm you can reach decent rating

don't think anyone is going to trade such a great MS for more dmg on envenom

[waxen meteor]

Did pica just get rank1 for warrior in solo?

[graceful ravine]

hes r4 ish

[waxen meteor]

Just saw this YouTube push

[graceful ravine]

guess he was r1 at one point

pretty cool

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

actually going ham

[spark egret]

I should level my warrior

[potent pivot]

got like top30 on priest in what, 2 days?

[spark egret]

and get 1800

[potent pivot]

same

[spark egret]

I dunno

the set is ok

tho

[potent pivot]

haven't played arms a day of my life tho

[spark egret]

it's not the best warrior set ever

[potent pivot]

it's a good one

[spark egret]

arms easy

[tawny kestrel]

u can prob get 1800 as warrior in solo shuffle by pressing spear + all cds + bladestorm

[potent pivot]

yep

[spark egret]

[potent pivot]

insta trinket too

[waxen meteor]

I think his experience exactly tells the read and understand of what’s going in arena is more important than anything

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

@tawny kestrel thoughts on AP? saw drake playing it today in finals vs pikas team

[tawny kestrel]

not better than the normal build into most things

sometimes its good tho

u can play it if u want ofc

[graceful ravine]

how is it good vs pikas team?

[tawny kestrel]

fk knows

dont think it is

[graceful ravine]

their comp barely cleaves anything

[tawny kestrel]

but NA is weird

[shrewd canyon]

small map?

[graceful ravine]

cos gouge

[tawny kestrel]

ye

NA is extremely questionable

from what ive seen

[shrewd canyon]

i guess it allows for better cleave if it was a small map only think i could think of

[graceful ravine]

it was big maps too

[waxen meteor]

Who won in the end?

[graceful ravine]

drake

both teams dont multi dot the 2nd dps/healer so they can peel with gouges

[potent pivot]

could just be better for closing out kills in some cases

with zold+20% dmg from shiv

[waxen meteor]

Then tbh I think they should go ampli as well

[potent pivot]

if you don't mind losing the garrote dmg into something

after reset if we're more dependent on hemo for kills as well

[waxen meteor]

Right? No aoe, no spread of dot, focus on single target kill and multi gauge

[potent pivot]

i could see it being ok

[waxen meteor]

Why not ampli

It just does way better job in such game plan

[potent pivot]

because wound is going to provide more pressure than amp

[waxen meteor]

It’s deadly gone, not wound

[graceful ravine]

cant auto swing the 2nd dps either cos deadly poison procs

[potent pivot]

now that i could see yeah

if you're tunneling one target mostly

[waxen meteor]

Based on what I read I think it’s a significant lose for themin 3s. But pika does multi dots in solo

[potent pivot]

yeah i think in solo one of the biggest goals is to overwhelm the healer

CC chain+split pressure

[waxen meteor]

Then kill healer

[potent pivot]

not what i meant

[waxen meteor]

He goes on rdruid lots of time

[potent pivot]

yeh

works into shaman as well

i think a big thing people don't realize

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

is awc is 3v3, not RSS

there's different factors in play

ik you were talking about RSS, i was just saying in general

[graceful ravine]

https://clips.twitch.tv/JollyBeautifulLarkOneHand-oLEYLwtBkjwUB3BP

this is the most impressive sap ive ever seen

[potent pivot]

damn

meld->sap the instant rogue pops out

[graceful ravine]

he must have a sap arena123 macro

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure he has /target arena123

and only sap/focus sap

i could be wrong tho

[graceful ravine]

he melded before the rogue even appeared on his screen

[potent pivot]

lmao

[graceful ravine]

he didnt use target123 cos he didnt drop target

[potent pivot]

hmm

[graceful ravine]

his focus target changes but not his target

[potent pivot]

rogue became his focus?

[graceful ravine]

so its either focus 123->sap focus

or sap arena123

[potent pivot]

because he also has /focus 123

just going off what he had back in the day

could def be diff now idk i don't watch as much

i don't even see /tar 123 or /foc 123 on his action bars

but you can set em up in blizz settings as well ig

[waxen meteor]

Lol I love the warriors jersey

Does he Iive in CA

[potent pivot]

yeah

[graceful ravine]

i also have a focus123->focus sap macro but no way i couldve pressed it as fast as he did

[waxen meteor]

Lol dark dwarf pally and priest

[graceful ravine]

would take me a whole second to figure out which arena123 drake is

[potent pivot]

what if you had foc123 on mouse

if he had sap123 you they would have to be on his bars, no?

[graceful ravine]

i mean its easier to figure out if you had them focused beforehand

[waxen meteor]

I tried the 12 keys mouse today at best buy

It’s hard to use bro

[graceful ravine]

but if theyre not your focus, and you have to switch to it

• sap right away

[potent pivot]

you get used to it

[fierce laurel]

He’s jamming his focus sap and focus arena1 macros when he hits meld

[waxen meteor]

The buttons are small, I am not sure how to precisely click on them haha

[potent pivot]

my arena123 is F1, F2, F3 but my focus123 are on my mouse

[waxen meteor]

But I guess you arr right just get used to it

[spark egret]

I should probably set up macros

[potent pivot]

yeah, changing anything in your set up feels weird at first. but once you get used to it it feels really good

[waxen meteor]

It’s just I was not so confident I can click them correctly haha

Seems very easy to far finger

[potent pivot]

it can be, gotta find the right one for you i think

like the razer naga pro has different attachments

one has 7 buttons, more spread out

the logitech has a little better feel on the buttons themselves i think

[waxen meteor]

This looks like a 2050 device haha

[potent pivot]

well that's the attachments, they attach to the mouse

and this is the logitech g600:

[graceful ravine]

the logitech one looks easier to press

[potent pivot]

apparently steelseries also made an mmo mouse

[potent pivot]

yeah it kinda is. i have both and typically use the logitech

[lucid lark]

Logitech Pro Superlight 😩

[potent pivot]

the logitech also has 3 pointer buttons

left mouse button, right mouse button, and right mouse button2 for your ring finger

[spark egret]

I cba switching off deathadder

dont need mmo mouse

just use shift/alt/ctrl mod

[potent pivot]

this is a 3rd mouse button for your ring finger. it's kinda nice.

[graceful ravine]

thats a button?

nice lol

[potent pivot]

yeah

can use it for so many useful things

mouseover focus, whatever suits your needs ig

[lucid lark]

Mine has the two thumb buttons for Ctrl+Shift and Mouse Wheel click for Alt, but I was thinking about learning to heal and I definitely might just get an MMO mouse for that tbh

[graceful ravine]

is there a more updated version? im bout to buy one

[lucid lark]

What keyboards do you guys use?

https://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/Ducky-Year-Of-The-Dog-Edition

[potent pivot]

wdym

[lucid lark]

I use this atm but I might clean it and shelf it for something with closer F keys

[potent pivot]

lemme check

[waxen meteor]

I found this one no bad at store

[graceful ravine]

like a newer version of the same mouse

[waxen meteor]

Not too many button more

But each one is big enough

[potent pivot]

i don't think so, it's just Logitech G600. i think you can get it in white from Newegg or regular from just about anywhere

[potent pivot]

it also has like 5 mouse wheel functions. scrUp, scrDown, click left, click right, and click down(middle)

[proper heath]

I use this . It’s great

[potent pivot]

if i was going to get something like this, i'd probably go with one of the lighter mice

something simple and lightweight with 2extra buttons

i guess steel series made an mmo mouse like that too but the buttons look rather small

[graceful ravine]

just ordered the g600 off amazon, ty for the rec

[potent pivot]

for sure, np

when i saw it was like $30, i bought it at the same time as i bought my Naga pro

turned out to be a good snag

[dense thorn]

This lobby is so trash

dh, dk, war and me

i literally cant survive

[vocal surge]

Ooof

[worthy crag]

im not queueing till next reset

and hoping to see less warriors after

[dense thorn]

i went 1-5

[graceful ravine]

warrior nerfs bigger than our nerfs?

[potent pivot]

i'd say they're somewhat similar

they shouldn't have such spikey dmg after reset

think we're gonna see more hunters

[graceful ravine]

i hate hunters

more than any other class

[potent pivot]

each spec was already doing decently and they gained a 5% buff to all specs lmao

BM and MM received some small nerfs, but MM also got other stuff buffed in the process

i think surv is going to be really good after reset

[graceful ravine]

that scares me more than our nerfs tbh

bm/surv is so opressive into assa

[potent pivot]

yeah i think it's def gonna make the match up more difficult. assa nerfed/surv buffed doesn't make for a good time

[vocal surge]

No outlaw buffs

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

Where do you see the upcoming nerfes?

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-class-tuning-incoming-next-reset-blood-dk-hunter-warlock-buffs-and-331315#comments

[sharp sierra]

@potent pivot ty 😊

[worthy crag]

at least in a hunter lobby you have good odds of winning with them on the team

When i get arms in the lobby its usually a loss vs them and they make shit comp on my team

[graceful ravine]

damn i felt like a bully

[vocal surge]

as Outlaw?

[waxen meteor]

totally

hunter is a tougher class we want to run into in lobbies

i also have a hard time against demo lock

that spec seems to be just summoning 204358048 things on your forever and there's not a lot i can do other than rely on heal and get back

and because the demo lock dmg is not most explosive ones, it's not our best teammate

[potent pivot]

this a fresh alt with no gear?

[potent pivot]

something tells me no

i have a wild suspicion that was assa

[dense thorn]

disc seriously needs nerfed lol

[waxen meteor]

it's alright they were too bad early this season

[dense thorn]

they do more healing than the healer and like the same damage as the dps lol

its bdk s4

in pve

[graceful ravine]

Fresh 70 with honor gear

[dense thorn]

anyone doing 60-70 boosts on eu still?

not advetising but like is it a thing?

after the cobalt nerf

[waxen meteor]

I want to play a war or priest but my pally is close to 60 now

what is a 60-70boost

[dense thorn]

you used to go afk

and they'd farm mobs

lol

took like an hour to go from 70-80

i mean 70 to 80 not 60 to 70

lol

or w.e

MAN IM TIRED

[graceful ravine]

Took me about 15 ish hours to get to 70…. I didn’t do it optimally

[dense thorn]

60 to 70

15 hours lol

it takes me 5 if i just spam quests

[potent pivot]

niice lmao. i've already got full honor gear on my alt i need to get started conq gearing it

[graceful ravine]

I did 60-65 in bgs, got honor capped, rest in dungeon finder

Granted I was half afk most of the time watching awc etc

[waxen meteor]

Isn't low level BG not very fun?

I mean in some low levels there are people with max gear for the level somehow

[dense thorn]

bg in anything isnt fun imo

[waxen meteor]

I remember in some lv39 bgs, you can't win 1 on 1 with a hunter's pet

[graceful ravine]

U can buy 261 ilvl gear for lvl 61

Wasn’t too bad

[waxen meteor]

and they got 2

[dense thorn]

i might level my disc with pvp

so i can then actually play solo

without waiting 9 hours

[waxen meteor]

Priest always seems to be the more fun healer

[dense thorn]

its also broken lol

[waxen meteor]

and yeah you don't queue 247

you literally can do something else in front of computer nowadays

when playing solo

because it's more like 75% wait time and 25% play time

[potent pivot]

good time to farm mogs or anything else you need to do to gear

like trophies, etc

[dense thorn]

it sucks when i do not care about anything else though tbh

like mog/mounts w.e has 0 interest in

so i just queue, then go completely afk until i hear ding

[summer plinth]

How do you handle solo shuffle as assassination when you're the kill target? I played some matches earlier where I tried to use feint on cd and time evasion or cloak on the other teams cds but had a hard time. Do I just run in and stun, put up garrote and rupture and run away?

[potent pivot]

Sometimes you just gotta kite or go for a restealth. Have you tried running Emblem as well?

[summer plinth]

I have not. I am thinking about picking it up though. I'm also only 1400 cr and very new to rogue. But I have definitely noticed healers cannot keep up with the burst in this range so I am trying to find other ways to help myself to in turn help the healer heal me

[dense thorn]

can you use emblem when stuned?

[summer plinth]

Don't think so, but I can't recall

[dense thorn]

this strat does not work but if healers suck in solo.. just kill them in the first opener as sin.. they just hard panic if you drop everything on them at the cr im at

which is like 1800-1900

[summer plinth]

I thought about that. You just run in and garrote > rupture > kidney > death mark > shiv? Or what's your opener for that

[dense thorn]

if im going all in then that but kidney, shiv, exsan, dm

and then they just push every button

you run away and then let your team kill them or they just die

^this is a shit strat btw lol

because if the healer doesnt suck then he just knows what todo

[potent pivot]

Gar shiv rupt mfd kidney, in an opener like that