That looks like it casts stealth if possible
#pvp
worthy crag
and yea that too
plucky sage
Didn't see the full macro
worthy crag
alot of my macros try to cast stealth whenever possible
waxen meteor
Totally
fierce laurel
Same. Backstab. Cheap shot. Sap. All have stealth in them.
/cast [nocombat,stance:0] stealth
/cast [stance:0,combat] backstab;[stance:1] shadowstrike;[stance:2] shadowstrike
/cast [stance:2] pick pocket
/cast [stance:1] pick pocket
plucky sage
My only stealth macro is /dismount and !stealth so I can spam without breaking it
fiery relic
why is pick pocket in that macro
fierce laurel
#showtooltip cheap shot
/cast [nocombat,stance:0] stealth
/cast premeditation
/cast Pick Pocket
/cast cheap shot
#show stealth
/cast [stance:0] stealth
/cast pick pocket
/stopattack
/stopspelltarget
/cancelaura shadow dance
/cancelaura Soulshape
/cancelaura sepsis
/cast sap
plucky sage
I guess it's the thief RP
fiery relic
why do all these macros have pick pocket dafuq
fierce laurel
Free stuff
plucky sage
Anyone have any ideas?
waxen meteor
why is pick pocket in that macro
Life style 
fierce laurel
Shadow dance and subterfuge work on pickpocket.
cedar spoke
Hi there, just a quick one- what’s the best spec for battlegrounds - currently playing outlaw but I see a lot of sin ? Thx
sharp sierra
Anyone know about fresh reinstalling windows? If so can you PM me for a sec. Just have 1 question.
plucky sage
Hi there, just a quick one- what’s the best spec for battlegrounds - currently p...
Sin is just nice because you can do damage while kiting. Outlaw is fight or do 0 damage. With sin you can open, pump bleeds, and vanish out and find another target while your team wails on the guy you dotted up. But ultimately all are viable, it's just whatever style you prefer
idle field
Yep
cedar spoke
Sin is just nice because you can do damage while kiting. Outlaw is fight or do 0...
A which one would you perso recommend for bg’s
orchid plinth
If you are playing unrated random BGs just play what you enjoy the most
plucky sage
Well I've only tried Assa and outlaw so far but Assa was way easier for sure
orchid plinth
For Rated BGs I think most play Sub and do Sub stuff?
Or Assa and play like a Feral?
plucky sage
Assa was much easier to do damage with and kite away and live. With outlaw it felt like without a healer, I struggled to get damage out, since it's all sustained. Sub also great because of the double vanish and heavy burst, you can easily 1v1 a guy and win
Outlaw less so
Makes sense, for RBG I definitely think sub gets the most work done for what a rogue should be doing in BGs, such as killing EFC or protecting an objective.
fiery relic
outlaw has never been a great pvp spec honestly
tender ferry
Had a kingsbane crit for 180k on the Pvp dummy
I feel like there’s something there
Though not having 4 poisons is unfortunate
hearty bane
I mean I knew that assa is fotm, but not like this
cedar spoke
Outlaw less so
Thx
uneven grove
yeah fck this game, i won't play until they nerf ele to the ground
alongside with locks
worthy crag
I think affliction is, idk if destro is a nerf or buff
uneven grove
they are literally unkillable if i am not on my rogue
worthy crag
cuz bane of havoc bugfix is pretty big
worthy crag
demo prob gonna be the worst spec once the UA dispel buff goes live
uneven grove
hope so
graceful ravine
still cant believe pika is 2800 on his disc priest in 2 days and hes never healed in his life lol
worthy crag
I guess its the closest to a dps spec that a healing spec gets
Does he have insane awareness to death every sleepwalk/poly/blind?
uneven grove
still cant believe pika is 2800 on his disc priest in 2 days and hes never heale...
i think he already played almost everything in his lifetime
mission abort, i won't play sub in SS, this is miserable
everyone DRing everything randomly
agile flare
im pretty new to pvp but im just tryna setup tellmewhen to basically track all dps classes major cooldowns so i can react faster if im being trained with cd's - is there any sort of list of shit i should track for other classes?
fierce laurel
mission abort, i won't play sub in SS, this is miserable
Above 2500 it feels so much better.
fierce laurel
mission abort, i won't play sub in SS, this is miserable
Do you always get the sap or blind first?
uneven grove
since i was against a DH i blinded
triple sapped of it
dueled
full kidney
nothing died
they had a campfire meal i think or idk
just chilling u know
graceful ravine
is there anything i can buy for my lvl 60 alt to lvl faster in bgs
getting 1 shot by sl geared characters is no fun
fierce laurel
You should almost always get a trinket in the first 4 seconds.
Sap/blind. Cs sec tec ss kidney
sharp sierra
ui crash forced me to reload mid match 
jolly sierra
i lost like 100 points 2 days ago for a UI error which disabled my macros
fierce laurel
Do you guys not reload every time you get to the ready room?
jolly sierra
got dced the last time i did that
fierce laurel
I’ve had to like all expansion.
worthy crag
You might wanna delete all your addons and reinstall them
I had to do it for DF and solved most problems
except the last reset that started the whole frame freeze issue
spark egret
So
This wound poison change
Does this mean our 2 instances of wound poison were stacking with each other?
hearty bane
Assa 4pc bonus 50% reduction next week, discussed already?
tame nexus
Just doing a random wsg, something is taking me out of stealth continiously, i couldnt figure out
Any of you seen that when you are oor enemy team but close by?
worthy crag
ive seen it happen sometimes when i have sepsis running on someone
fierce laurel
Sepsis used to take you out of stealth when you had subterfuge.
fierce laurel
#show stealth
/cast [stance:0] stealth
/cast pick pocket
/stopattack
/stopspellt...
Hence this macro lol.
When you’ve been wasting energy all game on feint because you usually run elusiveness and then cheat death procs. 🤡
tame nexus
Sepsis used to take you out of stealth when you had subterfuge.
Thnkas tho this is without being engaged in any combat at all
fierce laurel
Yeah. I got ripped out of stealth at the same time a warlock summoned his beholder two days ago. Don’t know if that’s why but I just restealths immediately.
graceful ravine
what bug is this team abusing to pop pika out of stealth from 40 yds away
they did it all series
fierce laurel
What’s the comp? Is there an ele?
graceful ravine
rdruid ww dest
graceful ravine
fierce laurel
I assume they know something.
graceful ravine
apparently its this
fierce laurel
Nearby is 8 yards tho
graceful ravine
thats why its a bug
sharp sierra
i get a clutch blind into sap to finish off the game
my stupid solo shuffle andy priest healer uses pain to break it
and we lost
XD
fierce laurel
Lame. I guess it’s taken so long to be discovered because Druid’s love to start stealthed.
steel linden
Oh man that's bad
lucid lark
What's causing it?
fierce laurel
The talent is probably checking how close the closest enemy is regardless of range and in that counting as an action
Damn. It’s not even the closest
It’s just the whole arena.
tacit lotus
i know alot of peaple asked it already but im gona try my Luck 🙂 how big is the nerf (sry)
fierce laurel
So scum
fierce laurel
https://clips.twitch.tv/SplendidVenomousDunlinWutFace-A-R0xkaBXu4PC3bn
So in this video the Druid is using it while stealthed ?
lucid lark
i know alot of peaple asked it already but im gona try my Luck 🙂 how big is the...
fine
graceful ravine
So in this video the Druid is using it while stealthed ?
no idea what that druid is doing
fierce laurel
Well if it is the Druid he does it without breaking stealth
So if nature’s vigil unstealths you it’s something else
rugged cedar
Just doing a random wsg, something is taking me out of stealth continiously, i c...
You happen to be undead with dots rolling while getting out of combat?
graceful ravine
everybody in the awc chat complainin bout rogues lmao
uneven grove
What's causing it?
game is trash that causes it 😄
they didn't fix the mind numbing affecting GCD in next patch
right?
uneven grove
ww dies through pre karma
pathetic shit
winged pike
he karmas too early and it’s already half over tbh
his healer is oom and his port is in a bad position
had to have seen it coming as a ww player tbh
neat bough
good job
winged pike
his healer is in line he could have just camped the middle and spam lightning to stop waylor drink
neat bough
shows that you put a lot of effort in
^ just asking if its relevant
but are the secret related bugs not relevant to pvp
looking at the builds, acro seems to be always picked
uneven grove
had to have seen it coming as a ww player tbh
ahh yeah, mainwhile assa player: "me kidney, me shivshivshiv"
ohh another top4
fml i didn't want to qualify too much time waste
neat bough
and if you stand in max melee range for secret, you probably lose the shadow damage from it
sharp sierra
abomination spawn removing stealth is so yikes
winged pike
but are the secret related bugs not relevant to pvp
it is relevant imo, probably worth updating
neat bough
moment, ill show a short clip of what i mean
i made a video of a old clip to keep it shorter
what you see is that the shadow part of secret basically does not happen
This is because Secret has diffrent ranges for the physical and the magic part.
🟠 - physical part hit range
🟢 - shadow part hit range (regular melee range)
🔴 - enemy
🟣 - you
And if the enemy is outside of the green cycle, the shadow parts don't happen.
hope this visualization helps
lucid lark
someone give me the sub go quick
idle root
what is the other site to see what top player are using? i know murlok.io but i think it's not updated for 10.0.7
im seeing old talent trees there
twin burrow
.7 not our?
river forge
fierce laurel
and if you stand in max melee range for secret, you probably lose the shadow dam...
Wait. Whattt
fierce laurel
This is because Secret has diffrent ranges for the physical and the magic part.
...
How do you explain the shadow part following after a mage blink or shadow step?
neat bough
same
shadowstrike is the same from strealth
given how used you are to acro, you can be in orange and use vanish-strike
it would also teleport you
fierce laurel
No I mean. You drop sec tec. Mage blinks. Still gets hit by shadow tec followup.
neat bough
i assume it does put the delayed attack on the target when casting secret
but would need to test
you can test it tho
i don't think the result changes if you run towards the dummy after secret cast
3 yard should be possible in 1.3 sec
fierce laurel
So if you’re not in range the follow up isn’t getting “assigned” to the target.
So running at someone spamming secret tech is just losing like 75% of the damage.
dim geode
what can you do against warrior spear of bastion?
unborn portal
pray
fierce laurel
If he’s not on stun dr I usually smoke bomb it.
If he is. Disarm and feight or evasion.
dim geode
what does smoke bomb do against spear?!
fierce laurel
It baits him to stay in smoke bomb without being stunned
Usually forces offensive dbts
agile flare
is there a way just to see your arena skirmish record?
dim geode
It baits him to stay in smoke bomb without being stunned
the last thing i want is to stay with a warrior in cds and spear
i want to get out of that fucking thing but it doesnt seem like i can
fierce laurel
The only thing that takes out out is bop so you have to tank it.
unborn portal
you feint
fierce laurel
You used to be able to step out and get pulled in again but now it like teleports you to the Center if you’re more than 20 yards away. You don’t even have time to step kick
fierce laurel
Is that the “step while being pulled back” thing? That’s super hard to time.
hasty dew
lucid lark
Is that the “step while being pulled back” thing? That’s super hard to time.
yeah, its not too bad
just gotta get the reps
fierce laurel
Is there a minimum range you have to leave it by? Or just anywhere?
lucid lark
Is there a minimum range you have to leave it by? Or just anywhere?
I dont know for sure, but 15 yds seems nice
sharp sierra
What is the largest bag sizes now? I still have 18 slot bags from back in the day.
warm lance
"What is the largest bag size wow dragonflight"
tawny kestrel
ah @potent pivot another reason crafted head is not bis
it gives less main stat than tier head
sharp sierra
Since i got drakebreaker shiv and just about hsve conquest is it worth making the molten daggers?
open minnow
lucid lark
"What is the largest bag size wow dragonflight"
ive decided to table my rogue for now and focus on MM/Surv
tame nexus
You happen to be undead with dots rolling while getting out of combat?
No, BE, and it happened without any combat prior
sharp sierra
30 mins for solo shuffle just to go 3-3 or 0-6
warm lance
ive decided to table my rogue for now and focus on MM/Surv
My hunters 61 and the cobalt xp farm is nerfed. Not sure if i wanna sit there and level up thro other means atm 
Gonna try if I can stomach doing a couple dungeons a day at best
lucid lark
My hunters 61 and the cobalt xp farm is nerfed. Not sure if i wanna sit there an...
what I do is level to 66, but the 66 AH greens, grab the 316 blue set, enchant them and queue PVP. each win is like 1/6th of a bar so from a leveling speed perspective, it's slow but you can honor cap before reaching 70 and just buy your honor gear cash
also good practice in general
zinc nexus
My hunters 61 and the cobalt xp farm is nerfed. Not sure if i wanna sit there an...
Yea idk they nerfed it. It made lvl alts so nice
sharp sierra
so how are ferals allowed to outdps sin rogues and have superior defensives
unborn portal
zinc nexus
Cries in outlaw
unborn portal
feral got nerfed
lucid lark
shiv on bear form as they enraged regen and it just doesn't help them
zinc nexus
I'll die tho
unborn portal
bad healer
zinc nexus
😦
warm lance
Feral actually is my go to kill target if one exists in the game
zinc nexus
I gotta play for me man
warm lance
Hands down
lucid lark
imagine getting killed by thorns
zinc nexus
It's a rough life out here
warm lance
Most of ferals still dont know how to play defensive even. So many people still treat them as unkillable gods like they apparently were before
So if you just look at them they flop over
zinc nexus
Lmao
warm lance
Thorns damage is nothing compared to them sitting in cat dpsing you
drowsy monolith
do you guys ever just train healers in melee blend lobbies?
lucid lark
yes
if the healer is out of like pain sup, tranq, etc. their big CDs then I'll sometimes split pressure on them and whatever my partner is doing. low mmr healers can't handle double pressure like that
love it when you hit lvl 5 on hunter and
blizz just shits like 8 abilities onto your bar
warm lance
If its a resto shaman they dead
Even holy pally dies pretty fast if you have a priest as your healer or with a warrior
not sure how much the buff to their wall did tho
Havent ran into any lobbies where going the hpala was a viable strat for solo shuffle
lucid lark
hpal is too utility rich in fast games tbh, they have an answer for everything
warm lance
Theyre super squish
zinc nexus
Thorns damage is nothing compared to them sitting in cat dpsing you
why not both
also 25min queue, lock leaves after first loss
despair
zinc nexus
hpal is too utility rich in fast games tbh, they have an answer for everything
Except for being trained lol
idle root
do you know if shattering throw removes DH immunity?
tribal bay
hpal is too utility rich in fast games tbh, they have an answer for everything
As if they're so easy to kill lmao
Once bubbles gone it's a gg
zinc nexus
any advice on dealing with double locks on black rook hold?
They just fucking teleport back into the room as soon as anything happens to them
bonus points for when the mw is on their team
as outlaw
sharp sierra
I feel embarrassed for you
drowsy monolith
anyone wanna take a look at a vod where i'm vs 2x warr and a DH? i'm obviously playing it terribly
sharp sierra
😂
uneven grove
any advice on dealing with double locks on black rook hold?
i had a demo, destro, ele + me lobby today
my advice is to die fast
so u can regain sanity faster
i would easily take a 3 melee lobby with my mage than playing vs 3 caster on my rogue, monk, or warrior
spring bough
been rocking no greenskin and 2/2 CTO now for outlaw in pvp and it feels just about the same maybe a lil bit better with good procs
jolly sierra
anyone wanna take a look at a vod where i'm vs 2x warr and a DH? i'm obviously p...
drop it here
zinc nexus
my advice is to die fast
Lmao
It's like I would go on them and they would tele
And then I'm like
What do
On a positive note tho I just did my first 6-0 lol
Like I can go into the tiny ass room but then I'm putting my healer in a spot where they can just get chain cc'ed so idk
lucid lark
I did LOL it was an oooold macro
zinc nexus
Not even trying to flex but this is day 2 of me getting back into my outlaw rogue and this is the 2nd compliment I've gotten lol
Everyone just calls me mean names when I play other classes lol
lucid lark
Not even trying to flex but this is day 2 of me getting back into my outlaw rogu...
dude I had some dude recognize me across multiple BGs and we held the bridge in silvershard mines north against like 7 horde, just me and this resto and he was like "wish you were always on my team"
😢 i am babe, i'll always be with u
zinc nexus
dude I had some dude recognize me across multiple BGs and we held the bridge in ...
That's pretty sick lol
Question, is there much of a point disarming bm hunters?
lucid lark
if they're in BW, they have 3 stacks of their maintenance buff, so if you disarm them when its at like ~3s then you can fuck them over for awhile
they can still kill command, but you slow them wayyy down
jolly sierra
just roast the fuck outta me, i wanna improve
later, doesnt load for me in the phone F
drowsy monolith
later, doesnt load for me in the phone F
no worries man, take your time, appreciate it!
finally got a 4-2 after a billion rating down the drain
lucid lark
😩
warm lance
Man, I saw that drop on the 2nd to last reset of TBC Classic on my hunter
It was hard ressed to somebody else though
Then on the last reset I went with my guild as the only hunter and it didnt drop
lucid lark
Damn
winged pike
pika is still clicking his party frames when he heals???
nobody gave him the party123 tech yet
fierce laurel
8/10 concentrated primals. We’re doing it boys.
warm lance
First run ever
I cleared KJ on TBC classic every week after like week 4 or something until wotlk release
Only saw it once
lucid lark
oof
potent pivot
but are the secret related bugs not relevant to pvp
Technically yes, just more of a niche thing
spring bough
rocking the law. testing out no greenskin and no float like a butterfly with 2/2 CTO and this happens LOL. on that climb back to duelist then elite finally lol
lucid lark
I went in there for golden bow of Quel'Thalas
Walked out with Thori, didnt even go there for it
lucid lark
warm lance
Yup, I do have it
warm lance
Almost 64 now
SV playstyle has the same goals as rogue in a way though
So it kinda fits to enjoy both
zinc nexus
Man I really enjoy wow pvp, except for all the just random fucking micro cc that goes out all the time man
Idk I love wow pvp but goddamn man
I just 4-2 and I'm just annoyed lmao
lucid lark
Man I really enjoy wow pvp, except for all the just random fucking micro cc that...
I think same school CC needs to DR sooner so people can't roll every stun in the kit on you and it works
fierce laurel
What do you mean school?
Stun goes 100 50 25. That’s pretty steep.
I love when I get hit with a 1/2 eruption because I’m basically immune to stuns for the next 20 seconds.
lucid lark
Right, but I think DR should be increased for CC that doesn't break on damage. The game is a far-cry from the state it was in, even in WoD after the last big DR change
SWTOR had this thing where if someone CC'd you too often, you'd become immune to CC in general for awhile. I actually felt way less frustrated in general
But not just same-DR CC like stuns, but ALL cc
So if you got Hoj'd, Poly, then like.. Blinded, the blind would make you immune to ALL cc for a bit
fierce laurel
I think fear and the DK thing should be less forgiving- and pally blind should break on holy damage- but it’s a pretty good spot I think.
Maybe the trinkets could be stun reduction only.
lucid lark
So you could go long CC chains, but the price was having some dude immune to for awhile and you had to think really hard about who you were going to CC
lucid lark
No, I'm saying I liked what SWTOR did, not necessarily that it would work in this game
It wouldn't
But I wonder if a DR of 100-50-0 would be better than what we currently have. Because for whatever reason, some dude yeeting a 1s stun is the most enraging thing known to me
drowsy monolith
just step every blade dance
warm lance
That happens when they stack up essence break with form and stuff
fierce laurel
He cleaved two people.
warm lance
Also its getting a nerf
fierce laurel
And the game lasted 8 seconds.
zinc nexus
The neemy died literally on clash
lucid lark
And the game lasted 8 seconds.
Think of it like this, DH has to sacrifice looking stupid as shit in that dopey demon form with their tiny ass weapons just to do damage, but you look sick as fuck all the time, even in death
warm lance
Yeah thats what happens when people dont respect somebody popping literally every CD and stunning them
They just fucking die
sharp sierra
lucid lark
<:poggers:652288776021999626>
waxen meteor
Also its getting a nerf
Not really, hardly any DH pick that talent
spring bough
did you pvp in SL? i got awarded them all when i logged on first day of DF
sharp sierra
nope, not at all
warm lance
Envenom as an sbility is nowhere near the prio as blade dance
sharp sierra
only mythic raiding and m+
warm lance
If you wanna compare blade dance to something thats garrote
sharp sierra
shouldnt envenom be considered a stronger ability due to how much you have to invest to use it
bd is just pressing a button
warm lance
Our damage is in the bleeds, envenom kinda just exists to boost poison applications at this point
sharp sierra
warm lance
Imo they should move some of the dmg to envenom
spring bough
This is honestly baffling
the hunt also hit twice so really it was 123k lol
sharp sierra
Imo they should move some of the dmg to envenom
i think envenom used to be a huge nuke before
zinc nexus
the hunt also hit twice so really it was 123k lol
OH MY BAD lmao
ONLY 123K lmao
Bro I'm about to gear up my dh. That was insane to watch
Or rather, deal with cause the game just ended lol
warm lance
i think envenom used to be a huge nuke before
it used to
Honestly DH doesnt feel like a big issue most games. Sure their damage is spiky, but its also telegraphed
zinc nexus
the hunt also hit twice so really it was 123k lol
technically the death sweep hit for 271k lol
warm lance
Well, theres ways around it
zinc nexus
Yea for sure
It's just wild to me that this is even possible with zero setup
100k overkill lmao
2 globals
Hunt into instant eb when you connect, into death sweep = dead lmao
literally nothing else lmao
"hey man I know the gates just opened but you got 2 seconds to press a major cd or you die" lmao
warm lance
that is the setup
zinc nexus
that's not setup bro
warm lance
Hunt and Essence Break are both part of what makes sweep hit so hard
zinc nexus
grip blind into remorse stun chill streak pillar of frost for a frost dk is setup
this is not setup lol
that's reaching lol
thick dagger
He got super lucky with a big crit on you doesn’t happen often your details also bugged its not 2 hits from the hunt one is the hit the other is a dot
warm lance
No, it is still a Setup. Its just a setup with less steps
zinc nexus
wasn't me lol, I know to cloak that shit
warm lance
You cannot just take a concept and move the goalpost to fit your own irritation of it
warm lance
You can react to all of it
zinc nexus
that makes sense
thick dagger
My details bugs as well and removes the ( Dot) sometimes
zinc nexus
He got super lucky with a big crit on you doesn’t happen often your details also...
I just listed the actual hit damage and not the dot
thick dagger
But like I said he got super lucky he wouldn’t be able to do that twice in a row as you prolly seen in the very next match he didn’t insta kill
zinc nexus
I was on my disc priest and a mm hunter opened on my mage
graceful ravine
lets goooooooooooooo
zinc nexus
Mage died instantly lol, I had exactly 3 seconds to use a major cd on him
warm lance
Thats not instantly if its 3seconds 
warm lance
Though why didnt they just block
warm lance
Im providing solutions
warm lance
But youre hellbent on just complaining instead of trying to figure out how to deal with shit
zinc nexus
Actually I think I have the clip saved
warm lance
This channel is to improve on pvp
thick dagger
Happens have a good night guys.
zinc nexus
Nah you're just a snob lol
warm lance
They hated him for stating the truth
warm lance
I couldnt care less what you think I am, but just complaining about something without trying to figure out how to deal with it is foolish
warm lance
0 GCDs cast and the health bar was going down at a speed where one of you couldve reacted to it
Its fast, sure. But its reactable
warm lance
Couldve even feared the hunter as you stood right ontop of him as he started casting
zinc nexus
Couldve even feared the hunter as you stood right ontop of him as he started cas...
Gottem
fear was on cd
nice try tho
warm lance
There was 0 attempt at doing anything at the mage though
zinc nexus
Woah you restated exactly what I said previously
warm lance
I know its annoying when you just want to vent and someones trying to provide solutions
zinc nexus
Very cool
warm lance
You really cannot handle trying to have a discussion about this can you
Ill just leave you to it
graceful ravine
once u enter the arena and see sub rogue and marks hunter, 2 of the most gimmicky 1 shot classes
you should expect to pop defensives asap
clever blaze
apologies for the noob question but the pvp faq says sin rogue stat prior is broadly Vers > Mastery > Haste =/= Crit. what's up with Haste =/=Crit? haste is better right?
warm lance
theyre equal
potent pivot
apologies for the noob question but the pvp faq says sin rogue stat prior is bro...
they're roughly equal. but we get more crit than we really need from tier set, so using some haste off pieces will be valued over crit off pieces
clever blaze
thanks a bunch
jolly sierra
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1728462701
alright champ im watching in parts
but i already found 2 mistakes
- war banner fucked ur kidney start
- stormbolt with 2 warriors is instatrinket or ur heal will use all the defs in you and u will fucked faster
this twitch crap is slow af in my computer
plucky vale
Are ele shams hard for you guys to kill?
jolly sierra
- dont be stingy w evasion, use it in spear, he will 100% burst there
- use blind in ur burst against the healer, 200% of time will insta trinket
- sometimes gouge kidney is a very good idea to avoid healing and make rot more efficient
- try trading feint into spear if u have not any cd available, u reduce 40% both bladestorm and spear dmg
- u are throwing blind in kill target xd
that is all
dense thorn
you know whats dumb as fuck and tilting
getting put in a 2.4k lobby
then dieing in a full kidney to a war and sub rogue
and then being spammed in whisp for the rest of solo by the warrior
spamming his legend title
like ok?
he so good at hitting execute
jolly sierra
i got cocky and fkn died against assa warrior thinking the druid would save me w a swiftness outside DM and smoke bomb
what a fkn mistake
instadied cuz the guy didn't did anything xdd
won 4-2 and fixed the MMR tho cuz won rating but
damn guy at least heal me xd
dense thorn
why do monks do infinite damage lol
vocal surge
War was prob carried by his spec being overbuffed
jolly sierra
why do monks do infinite damage lol
tier goes brr
i just have 2 pieces but is enough for now
@uneven grove how 4set does work? overwrites the 2set or something? the tooltip is confusing at least for me
zinc nexus
I actually think this was the most miserable ss I've had so far on my outlaw rogue lol. So hard to maintain uptime
Knockback
grapple back
knockback again
fuck me lol
zinc nexus
Thanks man lol. yea that was really hard lol
jolly sierra
even more in FKN BLADE EDGE'S
jolly sierra
with the disgusting lock teleporting constantly and u being unable to kite
worldly girder
In case anyways wondering, bicmex finally found a fix for the arena 123 and focus macro bug
warm lance
I had a caster lobby yesterday and it was fucking miserable
worldly girder
Where it misfires at main target
zinc nexus
I got knocked off twice in a row and I took like 5 seconds to just stop, get my composure back and we got a quick win after that
But damn man lol
zinc nexus
Where it misfires at main target
I swear to god I focus blinded and it hit my current target in this arena
jolly sierra
those matches are cursed af
worldly girder
Apparently there's some interface thing that soft targets main target if your intended (focus or arena123) is like 55yds out of range
jolly sierra
petition to blizzard for deleting blade edge's
zinc nexus
petition to blizzard for deleting blade edge's
Yes please god
Like they didn't even go me most of those matches. I was just like the kid in the middle being bullied around lol
worldly girder
@zinc nexus the fix is on bicmex's YouTube. Basically need to install the advanced interface options addon, set some target options to 0,and add /target and targetlasttarget to your macros and it fixes it
zinc nexus
<@207178829968441344> the fix is on bicmex's YouTube. Basically need to install ...
cool ty dude
worldly girder
No worries. The bug was leaving a sour taste in my mouth wiping deathmark and my bleeds off main target and wasting an entire blind cd. Also sapping main target in the opener when tryna find the rdruid/enemy rogue as well
Had little to no luck finding a solution till now. No worries!
zinc nexus
It could have those pillars with just ropes
I was so excited to get into wotlk pvp. Then I shadowstep ambushed a mage and got rng disarmed
I knew then that it wasn't for me lol
zinc nexus
Cause fuck you
dense thorn
every round lol
against everyone
hes not even winning all the rounds but he just does like 1.5m burst
lol
jolly sierra
today w monk was
3-3
1-5 (fuck ele frost matches REEEEEEE)
4-2 (got fucked in both rounds for assa cuz rdrood was unable to stand the healing)
got CR positive difference in last one after the dropping so its ok
dense thorn
today ive gone 3-3, 3-3, 3-3, 3-3 and 3-3
lol
i keep logging into my priest, then realising i have to level it to 70 then logging out again
zinc nexus
Not a bad day for me
warm lance
Started from 1480?
zinc nexus
I'm not that good lol
zinc nexus
LOL
unborn portal
ngl my 3-3 streak was crazy
warm lance
Id prefer 3-3 over the 2-4 or 1-5 i usually get if i dont go 4-2 or 5-1
Got my hunter to 66 in one sitting so far though
zinc nexus
Idk why going 4-2 usually tilts the hell out of me
warm lance
Considering spamming BGs until im at 11k honor now
Going 2-4 is usually a worse feeling cause you know the 2 wins you got were with the guy who went 6-0
Atleast imo
With 1-5 you know you fucked up big
unborn portal
Idk why going 4-2 usually tilts the hell out of me
uncertainty
lol
3-3 and 4-2 is decided last game
warm lance
You know those games where you feel like youve got it, you got the enemy at like 10% hp your whole team is 70+ and then game ends
jolly sierra
at least w rog can shadowstep and manuv
jolly sierra
but w monk
warm lance
Then you look at details and someone just dies in 1sec
warm lance
Bunch of games I had yesterday actually ended cause the disc pressed death and someone just flopped from 10%
jolly sierra
is a stuff of luck basically
u got unlucky this happens
or a flop w death or a crazy 6 digit dmg
warm lance
Also the more gear people have got the faster the games got and Im not sure Im a huge fan of it
Start of season games lasted way longer than they do now
jolly sierra
is for tier
warm lance
Yeah
jolly sierra
i got very smooth in week 1-2
waxen meteor
Do we have some hint against DEMO lock?
jolly sierra
after 3 i dropped a lot
waxen meteor
Lost badly against DEMO lock in a couple of lobbies
warm lance
I think I should go buy some snacks for this movie
jolly sierra
i got fucked by them when i dropped hard
-200 cr for those fkn bastards
pre nerf
if u are in melee cleave with just a demo just fuck him hard w ur comp before he is able to react
jolly sierra
demos are fkn shit as a match, rlly hate them
warm lance
Iirc I ended up going 1-5 or something. Won one match with him and just died insta to everyone the other rounds
jolly sierra
the thing is
why blizzard doesnt nerf them hard if are still relevant?
and why hunters are still being buffed
jaunty mirage
Because hunters aren’t good?
unborn portal
You know those games where you feel like youve got it, you got the enemy at like...
been games where you're literally pumping and pressing million buttons
and dont win
jaunty mirage
Also why would they nerf demo haha
jolly sierra
jaunty mirage
Demo is not one of the specs that needs nerfing
jolly sierra
i still recall a fkn demo killing me through all my defensives up
jaunty mirage
The only way that’s possible
jolly sierra
and after waiting for cds fading from them
jaunty mirage
Is if you facetanked a full tyrant setup
jolly sierra
nope
jaunty mirage
Then yeah that didn’t happen haha
jolly sierra
???
jaunty mirage
Demo doesn’t kill without tyrant esp if you have defensives rolling
It’s a setup spec
unborn portal
@jolly sierra getting gaslit in real time
jaunty mirage
Outside tyrant their damage is not problematic idk what to tell you, this is not controversial
warm lance
Prenerf with the 400% modifier on the spinnywinny it could happen
unborn portal
we have a fucking
jaunty mirage
Yeah
zinc nexus
Holy fuck it's insane how dogshit outlaw is
unborn portal
and I used to main wl
jaunty mirage
Current demo is not capable of that kind of damage outside tyrant
jolly sierra
u know how witches were purged in medieval times?
warm lance
The fucking spinnerooni was ridicilous at start
jaunty mirage
Yeah
warm lance
You only needed that to kill
jaunty mirage
Pre-nerf demo was gross
unborn portal
Holy fuck it's insane how dogshit outlaw is
Im gonna build outlaw set after conquest uncap
jaunty mirage
Current demo is just a spec that’s good into rogues
unborn portal
I did sub/assa set first since they both shared stats
jaunty mirage
Being good into rogues doesn’t mean it needs a nerf haha
jolly sierra
after tyrant just go fel obelisk, spam fear axe and goes brr dies
warm lance
Im excited to try out SV again after not playing it since bfa
I just like the playstyle, even if its not meta
jolly sierra
hope that fkn spec goes nerfed to the floor
warm lance
So, should I go buy some snacks before I watch this movie?
jolly sierra
no, im gonna sleep
gotta work tomorrow
and play rogue before nerfs
just played w alts tho
anyways cya
zinc nexus
Im gonna build outlaw set after conquest uncap
Dude it's honestly so fucking fun and cool
you just actually do fucking nothing
I just logged onto my dh in full blues that I've never played and do literally triple my damage mashing buttons doing w/e lights up
warm lance
Well, you can get it to 3k atleast but thats alotta work
zinc nexus
It's like if a sub rouge did no damage
jaunty mirage
Start of match they dogpile on you, you press a couple CDs and spin
Yeah that build was gross
Current demo is fine lmao
It’s good into rogues, I guess we have to nerf sv too since that’s good into rogues
bleak slate
So with the change, they said the deathmark version doesn’t stack. But will the usual hemo toxin and wound poison stack anyways?
wicked rampart
Hemo and wound never stacked
bleak slate
Gotcha. Thanks!
zinc nexus
so like I know my fdk lost a ton of rating recently, but 25 rating for 5 wins is kinda sus
wicked rampart
MMR below CR = low rating per win
zinc nexus
ye I know how it works
It's dumb tho lol
is there like an addon or anything that tracks dps throughout an arena match?
dense thorn
woudld you rather... 39.27% mastery and 26.42% vers or 33.64% mastery and 27.98% vers?
or 41.82% mastery and 26.15% vers?
fierce laurel
The last by far
potent pivot
what
fierce laurel
Oh wait. This is probably sin.
potent pivot
the first and last are so close you can't answer that without more context
dense thorn
yeah sin
potent pivot
agility....etc......
lucid lark
Okay boys late night rogue banter again
potent pivot
i wouldn't worry so much about switching pieces of gear if you aren't fully geared
lucid lark
What spec has the highest skillcap (of all specs in the game)
potent pivot
just go for the items that are listed in the FAQ
dense thorn
What spec has the highest skillcap (of all specs in the game)
rogue spec?
lucid lark
any class
lucid lark
no tanks
dense thorn
just go for the items that are listed in the FAQ
but out of the 2 i listed? 1% vers lose for the mastery gain seems worth?
potent pivot
dense thorn
What spec has the highest skillcap (of all specs in the game)
ok, doesn tthis depend on the player? Like assuming everything equal, i would say rogue is high skill cap and mage.
potent pivot
but out of the 2 i listed? 1% vers lose for the mastery gain seems worth?
trading haste conq ring for honor ring? no
dense thorn
what about putting mastery in gem/ring enchants instead of vers?
lucid lark
with random nonsense
potent pivot
what about putting mastery in gem/ring enchants instead of vers?
nope
you need w/e vers you can get atm, but without losing other stuff
why don't you have crafted boots yet btw
lack of sparks?
dense thorn
i need a spark
doesnt drop
swear they dont exist
did raid on LFR/NORM/Heroic
and have played 200 rounds of solo
and like 100 more 2s and 3s lol
potent pivot
can you do +16s
dense thorn
i mean i can do 22s
potent pivot
even some WQs drop em afaik
dense thorn
from what ive been told its just random low % drop
like legion legendaries
might fly and do the WQs
we are having a push night tonight for m+ so maybe it drops tonight
potent pivot
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
it's in the rules homie, i usually don't mind, but it kinda derails useful conversation when it's going on
same with anytime someone comes in asking for help, the banter can just drown them out
but if it's dead it's all g to an extent
lucid lark
All good
potent pivot
we are having a push night tonight for m+ so maybe it drops tonight
yeah idk it seems pretty low % for sure
just gotta play the game and wait ig
potent pivot
What spec has the highest skillcap (of all specs in the game)
in pvp specifically?
isn't it feral dru
dense thorn
didnt know you got a title for this
felt bad.. just let him live haha
opened on a bdk
he dead
sharp sierra
healers go in solo shuffle, get ran down by pressure and then go on forums to cry how hard healing in solo shuffle is
both healers couldnt survive 1v1s while getting pealed
warped anchor
you ever healed shuffle?
warped anchor
on what class
sharp sierra
rdruid
sharp sierra
?
sharp sierra
rdruid in my lobby gets ran down by a monk and tells me how i did something wrong
warped anchor
healing in shuffle is a miserable experience
sharp sierra
i disagree
jaunty mirage
dont think people saying rss is hard as a healer are doing so because they are dying
warped anchor
esp since the mmr changes as dps cried about queue times
warped anchor
rsham dies super easy to cleave
jaunty mirage
yeah rsham
mostly though its not cause people are dying as healers
its cause of all the micro cc and dps players doing dumb shit
jaunty mirage
yeah i dont think people are saying its like
mechanically much harder
more like you get cced constantly and then your arms war leaps behind a pillar across the map and dies
jaunty mirage
would be a lot easier to balance if they just took out all the micro cc
cause then they could move casters back to hardcasting
and melee wouldnt have 36 ways to interrupt every cast
jaunty mirage
yeah
warped anchor
and have to juke to cast shit
jaunty mirage
cause you have to
yeah
and the best caster in the game is the one that doesnt cast at all
warped anchor
yeah ele
jaunty mirage
almost like its a symptom of a bigger issue
weird
the less you cast as a caster, the more viable you are
prob not the best design approach
zinc nexus
I wonder if casters enjoy caster lobby's
sharp sierra
sharp sierra
i learn a lot
zinc nexus
Just line it dude
That takes a lot of setup to get
They gotta press warbreaker and off gcd avatar
jaunty mirage
I wonder if casters enjoy caster lobby's
not really
ele is arguably stronger in a caster lobby since they arent being trained constantly
zinc nexus
lol
zinc nexus
damn now that's a plot twist lol
dense thorn
im so good
zinc nexus
giving frost mages a knockback makes me sad
I honestly need to just make a frost mage cause I have no idea what they do except not let me play the game while you're forced to go them cause of glacial spike lol
warm lance
<:poggers:652288776021999626>
Takes 2 executes, 2 overpowers, warbreaker and avatar to get that Super rare to actually get it lined up
Once the fuckers have the stacks to
It cometh
golden sentinel
Fury Ik
minor cape
so its only like
warriors enrage
and guardian druid
and if none of those are there i just use shiv for combo point 🤔
not on assas i mean, on sub
proper heath
And a good evening to you all.
warm lance
Brain hurt?
warm lance
Ofcourse its worth it in some situations
minor cape
i mean not worth to save it just for that
warm lance
I disagree personally
minor cape
ive even seen some dudes macro it with rupture
warm lance
Its extremely strong to kite melee, force someone to stay los from their team longer, smoke bomb
warm lance
Well ive heard of people doing plenty stupid things before
minor cape
yeah i also thought its stupid
warm lance
I often forget to shiv
For the bomb thing
Cause im staring at the healer to gouge as they run in
minor cape
i usually wait dr for bomb and cheap the dude there
but this way you can not dr
do you use focus gouge?
minor cape
should go for a mmo mouse not enough keybinds for all the focus macro stuff
🥹
only have focus blind and focus sap
proper heath
I've never used an mmo mouse. You really dont need one
What on earth are you guys using an mmo mouse for. Shift Command, Control command, Alt command. Ez clap.
minor cape
What on earth are you guys using an mmo mouse for. Shift Command, Control comman...
i personally cant do alt for some reason
and control is also not so comfortable
but its allright
still use it
proper heath
i personally cant do alt for some reason
So it's something you WILL get used to I promise. For me it made sense like this:
Lets use Gouge for example
T = Gouge Target
Shift T = Gouge Focus
Control T = Step Gouge Focus
And you can really go down the line using that logic. It makes keybinds so easy and so intuitive for every class in wow.
Without having to buy another mouse.
Not telling you not to buy one. Just offering alternatives to keybind strategies
minor cape
i alredy use my stuns with modifier
so like
i have ctrl f for cheap
ctr r for kidney
will prolly try alt
today
warm lance
Ive slowly accumulated a ton of binds over the years
Thanks to BDO tho ive lost 1 good to fucking AUTO RUN
I cant break muscle memory of T for auto run for some reason
minor cape
yeah same thing, played swtor for a long time and just made binds as i played and then they stuck with me and i made similar ones in wow
proper heath
I cant break muscle memory of T for auto run for some reason
Auto run is really unimportant in wow, and you can defeinitely just put it somewhere really otu of the way
how often do you auto run/
minor cape
i cant press Z cause its hide weapon for me
minor cape
i dont mind t
proper heath
They are prime keybinds as they are easily reachable
proper heath
You press V and Z evertyhting on your left hand without moving your hand is super prime real estate
hitting F1 2 3 . now thats terrible. Some of my keybinds are there
😄
proper heath
F is insane. It's my blind
minor cape
oh you mean like
proper heath
but I meant F1. like
minor cape
f1 f2
zinc nexus
why are tank specs allowed to queue into solo shuffle
because fuck you that's why
warm lance
Auto run is really unimportant in wow, and you can defeinitely just put it somew...
Right? But its so ingrained in my brain from playing some 4 years of BDO while I was taking a break from WoW that its hard to let go and it annoys the fuck outta me
minor cape
because it annoys the hell out of me when i target smth else
proper heath
When are you targetting urself?
warm lance
Think imma try to condition myself out of it again
Good chance to nowa s im leveling the hunter
minor cape
do you have to autorun in bdo?
proper heath
Right? But its so ingrained in my brain from playing some 4 years of BDO while I...
I hardly ever use auto run in wow, when do you use it?
I can't think of alot of situations in dragonflight there I auto run
proper heath
I heard BDO is pay to win.
minor cape
do you guys use wad to control character btw?
warm lance
Very rarely outside of some niche stuff where I replace W with auto run
proper heath
So I never tried it
minor cape
or you just run w mouse
warm lance
It was quite abit in the past
minor cape
i think i need to disable backpedal
warm lance
Now the gear is so fucking advanced and its fast to get into end game-ish stuff paying to progress is stupid
proper heath
Does your gear matter alot?
warm lance
Yeah
minor cape
combat in bdo is sick af
warm lance
From the point my gear is at now itd take me a year to be able to be somewhat in line with peoples gear in PvP
proper heath
Now the gear is so fucking advanced and its fast to get into end game-ish stuff ...
the problem I had with final fantasy 14. Was that when I got gear. it never felt like I was stronger. The "Time to kill" was basically the same.
But in wow, if u get 2-3 pieces, your destroying
I like that bout wow
minor cape
i like the system wow has
warm lance
I play FFXIV for the story and casual stuff
minor cape
which scales any gear to max pvp
minor cape
but it is less stats than actual cap gear
and you have to hit certain thresholds
which is impossible to do w bolstering
proper heath
So help me understand something
minor cape
so you have to farm pve anyway
proper heath
In BDO , whats the endgame
warm lance
Theyve been adding more and more end game group PvE but most of it is solo grinding
warm lance
I believe theyve said that raids in BDO will never happen
minor cape
nice
warm lance
Its not their vision for the game
minor cape
i mean w bdos combat it would be bullshit
warm lance
Its good for what it does, but the gear grind is so fucking ridicilous that I cant commit to it anymore
zinc nexus
bdos combat is dogshit for the simple reason that their network is dogshit
zinc nexus
you spend literally hundreds of hours grinding for gear, finally get to do pvp at the same level as others
and desync
that's all it is
minor cape
i only leveled a bit and hitting mobs was fun af
warm lance
And I should know about desync, I played Ninja and Maehwa for large majority of my play there
proper heath
and desync
desync?
warm lance
You land a cc on someone
they get knocked down
you go hit em
but their body is actually not there on server side
So everything whiffs
warm lance
They kinda dropped the sand box life skill and overall rpg aspect of it over the years too. It used to be fun to just do random shit
warm lance
But the amount of income you need to ATTEMPT an upgrade is stupid
zinc nexus
lol
warm lance
So you dont want to "waste time"
minor cape
any time saving items in bdo?
warm lance
And im like 100ilvl behind other people and my upgrades can take a month or more each
minor cape
for the real word money
warm lance
Nothing thatd be worth it anymore
Go back 2-3years and definitely
They make most their money on sexy outfits for the female classes
minor cape
did it feel like playing a wow private server or smth
warm lance
I honestly cant compare it to anything else out there
minor cape
They make most their money on sexy outfits for the female classes
the asian mmo business model
warm lance
Only other game in PvP that got close to the same actiony feeling was early TERA
But not a single other game is as smooth as wow
minor cape
to me bdo felt like devil may cry type of stuff but mmo
warm lance
Something like that yeah
zinc nexus
I love action rpgs