pvp

[worthy crag]

You dont have to be god tier to have a party

sin will still be fine

[tight veldt]

wtb evis buff pst

[worthy crag]

honestly with 4 set

Im not sure if we really need it

I think sub is in a better place than most people think it is

[tight veldt]

when im in dance yes.. otherwise im just ccing and slapping noodles

[warm lance]

But it hasnt been the #1 spec so its trash obviusly

[worthy crag]

yep

always gonna be healing people with negative dmg outside dance

[jolly sierra]

well, anyways

time to exploit the tier before reset

[tight veldt]

not saying i need to be killing outside of dance but the negative dmg healing needs to be addressed. Or at least increase energy regen outside of dance a bit

[jolly sierra]

i'll cap the monk and go full aaaa

[worthy crag]

if there are less arms warrior it's such a big win for rogue

yeah thats why i take improved shadow techniques pmuch all the time

[jolly sierra]

there are more nerfs for pvp besides warriors and assa?

[worthy crag]

Yeah, BM nerf with the raz bow and 4set

[uneven grove]

ELE DODGED IT AGAIN

fck me guys

[jolly sierra]

nice

[worthy crag]

im actually happy bm didnt fly under the radar

[jolly sierra]

nicen't

[worthy crag]

they are pretty toxic too

[uneven grove]

how that fcking pathetic spec isn't nerfed to the ground already

[jolly sierra]

cuz hunts are the main whinners

and dont want to press more buttons

[uneven grove]

i was only talking about ele

[jolly sierra]

ahh ele

dunno

[uneven grove]

it's insane tho they just buffing surv 5% every 2nd week

still

[jolly sierra]

maybe devs werent 1 shotted yet

[worthy crag]

yeah surv is pretty solid as is

I mean

its easier to counterplay than bm though

If you line the surv during CA and prevent the killshots from shooting

you can cut their dps down so much

[uneven grove]

i just hope with addressing all the mortal wound stacking

games would be healthier

[worthy crag]

I didnt even know psyfiend could stack

I knew about the deathmark wound

[uneven grove]

legit today i died on my WW on the 2nd or 3rd kidney shiv, without my healer being CCd at all

[worthy crag]

did you try lining the kidney?

or are you not chunli

[uneven grove]

yeah my kickbot always preport the kidney

[jolly sierra]

imagine w pally today

[worthy crag]

Watching him play ww in competitive is like the most sweet eye candy

[jolly sierra]

the assa always permakilled me after bubble

[worthy crag]

as a holy pally i can relate

i dont play melee wings either

[jolly sierra]

maybe will play after this week

[uneven grove]

chunli, drake, trill are all so fcking good WWs

[jolly sierra]

w warr and assa nerfed

[uneven grove]

only class NA is infinitely better

is WW

hands down

[jolly sierra]

for now ill the the assa in this week

[worthy crag]

eh

does EU have good destros

and DKs

[jolly sierra]

well can concede w DKs

[uneven grove]

idk, but i don't care about them so much

[worthy crag]

true

[uneven grove]

but NA WWs >>>>> EU WWs

[jolly sierra]

the best dk objectively talking is also one of the beta testers

from WOTLK

but

who cares in this discord lol

[drowsy monolith]

how the fuck do i win vs sub

[jolly sierra]

we have better rogues in EU

[drowsy monolith]

100% kill in a kidney

[worthy crag]

Try to prefeint a kidney

and run bm trinket

[jolly sierra]

prefeint shadow dance

[uneven grove]

yeah a beastmaster next to you help

vs sub

[worthy crag]

disarm him 0.5 seconds away from stun DR coming back up

step to your healer and spam him with SBS and knife throw

[jolly sierra]

roar of sacrifice

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[worthy crag]

you can almost play like a ranged class vs sub

[drowsy monolith]

went 1 fucking 5

god

[uneven grove]

evasion kidney by doing 10x360 degree turn

[worthy crag]

cuz your knife throw applies wound and theirs doesnt

[jolly sierra]

wait

does wound still reset?

w knives?

[worthy crag]

sry i meant crippling

[jolly sierra]

ah gotcha

[worthy crag]

watch your own stun DR

when its coming up disarm

when disarm is ending BM + Feint

he will either get impatient and just commit dance thru it

or wait it all out and get damped

[jolly sierra]

if they are psychos will wait

[worthy crag]

if they are waiting step to a healer and kite kite

but yeah its hard

[drowsy monolith]

yeah

it tilted me

[worthy crag]

my alt doesnt have Bm trinket

so

I thought it was a fail vault when my main got it

but it actually has good uses

vs WW etc

[warm lance]

Whats going on

5-1, 5-1, 2-4, 5-1, 5-1

My last 5 games

[drowsy monolith]

yeah ill take those please

[jolly sierra]

do u have a EZ mode chart to say where use battlemaster and where not?

[jolly sierra]

crazy

[worthy crag]

I usually take BM if the enemy comp is stun->burst kind of comp

like WW/rogue

[drowsy monolith]

jesus down 150 rating

[warm lance]

Stop before you get too tilted

And fall further

[worthy crag]

Im incapable of stopping when i tank my rating

I queue till 4 in the morning to get it back up

[drowsy monolith]

if next game is 1-5 im quitting

[warm lance]

I didnt play Assa for 2weeks or something after I dropped rating on it, tried again dropped some more and im almost back to where I started now

Just 19 rating and im back to my season high

[jolly sierra]

a guy went crazy yesterday when dropped a lot

we told him to stop and keep playing anyways

dropped even harder

[worthy crag]

lmaoo

[warm lance]

Yeah

[drowsy monolith]

mmr gone to shit too

which is the real kicker

[jolly sierra]

w rog i was touching bottom some weeks ago

[warm lance]

this is gonna hurt

[worthy crag]

At least in wow solo q if your team griefs you you have a chance to pay back when they end up on the enemy team

[warm lance]

frost dk, surv and arms in my lobby

[worthy crag]

its not like league

[jolly sierra]

so went full RBG till 4set

[worthy crag]

where they grief and just move on

[jolly sierra]

i went again and won almost all

was crazy

[drowsy monolith]

yeah i had a huge streak

up to 2354

and now we're dipping boys

anyone got a shotgun

[jolly sierra]

full frost dk tho

[jolly sierra]

kurt cobain

[drowsy monolith]

na i gotta change mog

that's all it is

[jolly sierra]

sometimes can work kek

use a starter rog set

[shrewd canyon]

Was wound reducing healing twice while deathmark was active?

And the nerf makes it so it will no longer do that?

[drowsy monolith]

there is no way

aNOTHER sub

[warm lance]

Welp. 1-5 this lobby

was too good to be true anyway

[drowsy monolith]

motherfucker runs cheat death

and lives

ait one round

lets go

TWO

[jade pike]

Any tips for dealing with warriors?
Finding myself dying in spear in solo shuffle, especially if there's 2 of them.
Even with just one though I pop evasion and then by the time the second rolls around I just die.
I'm taking disarm but not sure what to look for to know when to use it, are there any signs of when the warrior plans to go all in or should I be looking for another way to deal with them?

[drowsy monolith]

ait we secured 3

[dense thorn]

lol rip ass rogue

wtf is that nerf

does it matter?

[drowsy monolith]

we brought it back with 4 baby

[jade pike]

What happened?

[warm lance]

Yup I just had to say it out loud that im close to my original rating

2 games back to back 1-5

thats it for today

[jolly sierra]

good job anyways

later will be my turn tho

[warm lance]

How is it good job?

I went 5-1, 5-1, 1-5, 1-5?

Basically back at the rating I started today at

[jolly sierra]

good job in your former streak

u got a very good one before

[jolly sierra]

what is this

[sharp sierra]

Jfc it’s hard to do world events. 8 people camping while flagged killing everytime people go

[dense thorn]

50% nerf

are we?

[warm lance]

50% nerf of the set bonus

[wicked rampart]

Wow

They actually only nerfed exactly the two things we expected them to

[warm lance]

yup

[wicked rampart]

Is it finally happening

[warm lance]

Still completely fine as a spec ayoo

[wicked rampart]

Are they a real game development company now

Did they learn how to balance

[steel linden]

Yeah I don't think anyone should be very concerned

It's kinda sick

[warm lance]

But you know how it is

People are going to just overreact and say the sky is falling

[steel linden]

"NO KIDNEY SHOT NERF????????????????"

[dense thorn]

i mean a 50% nerf is still a 50% nerf

it always sucks to be like.. youre worse than yesterday

[wicked rampart]

If anybody thinks this is sky is falling nerfs they should actually just uninstall lol

[dense thorn]

dont think anyone is killing themselves over it

[warm lance]

If you go and say 50% nerf you have to specify what its about

Or people are gonna misunderstand

[steel linden]

50% nerf to a 20% buff to PART of our damage

[dense thorn]

i need an excuse to why i lose, so its a 50% nerf 😄

[gaunt trout]

Cdew in shambles rn

[dense thorn]

in other news, cdew is breathing

[sharp sierra]

So it seems we’re getting nerfed?

How bad is it?

[warm lance]

Read the chat

Literally just talked about it

[dense thorn]

its as bad as the outlaw nerf in pve

[wicked rampart]

DH burst and War burst nerfs too

[dense thorn]

do rogues ever get buffs btw

[jolly sierra]

yes

[dense thorn]

whenever i play this class, it only gets nerfed

[jolly sierra]

in shadowlands

[dense thorn]

i wasnt maining it in shadowlands

makes sense

[wicked rampart]

It usually gets swung wildly in either direction

[dense thorn]

so its bdk

OP as fuck

or dogshit

[wicked rampart]

usually yes

[warm lance]

Except the nerfs hvent been too big so far

as individual nerfs

[dense thorn]

why wont they buff ST back up

[wicked rampart]

Since start of DF has been the best pvp balance tuning iteration we have ever had for the game imo

[dense thorn]

i want to one shot people with no effort

[warm lance]

DF launch ER

[dense thorn]

will this nerf change any talent builds though

[jolly sierra]

dunno who was the genius who disabled PVP multiplier for ER

[dense thorn]

also whats the AP build? anyone using it in solo?

[wicked rampart]

Unlikely

[jolly sierra]

but that they the future nerfs were absolutely expected

[warm lance]

It most likely wont change anything for us

Other than our set being 50% worse

[wicked rampart]

Since sin was still insanely strong with the same builds before most people even had 4pc

[jolly sierra]

while garrote isn't the target

everything is ok

[wicked rampart]

Also all the naysayers to DM wound stacking, guess we got our answer lol

[dense thorn]

any codes for AP?

[jolly sierra]

wasn't placebo

indeed stacked

[dense thorn]

there is no AP build in wowhead or in these pins

am i being dumb?

[warm lance]

There isnt

Its worse than DTB builds

[dense thorn]

i thought it was ok v melee heavy comps

plus in solo everyone touches each other lol

[drowsy monolith]

like 3 games in a row

i'ts rogues

[wicked rampart]

I'm a little spooked at the lock and hunter buffs but we'll see how those play out

[fading blade]

Saw this nerf coming a mile away

Especially with cdew crying the whole time during stream

[honest sparrow]

well, the numbing amp and the double wound poison nerfs were bound to happen, every1 was complaining about those

[drowsy monolith]

am i just queueing at the wrong times

every single dude is multiglad

[honest sparrow]

4set may be a little exaggerated, but it is what it is

[potent pivot]

amp?

[dense thorn]

does evasion

just not work anymore

or what

[potent pivot]

people can still land hits/stuns on you from behind

[honest sparrow]

the nerf they did last week iirc

The amplified form of Numbing Poison as applied by Shiv now has 40% reduced effectiveness in PvP combat.

[dense thorn]

i have logged on today

and i just die

like.. it doesnt matter what i do lol

its like my gear isnt working or something

[potent pivot]

ah thought you mean amplifying poison for a sec

[dense thorn]

so can i step/kidney a rogue?

[honest sparrow]

ye

[dense thorn]

and then do dam?

[warm lance]

yes

[dense thorn]

well either way dont get why im going 100-0

in 3 globals

[worthy crag]

so if psyfiend stacked with other MS

and sin could double wound poison

how much healing reduction was drake's team doing with sin + spriest

mindblown

[dense thorn]

anyoe take prey on the weak

instead of like improved sprint?

[worthy crag]

take both

[dense thorn]

or 1 point out of lethality

im assuming

[worthy crag]

flex point is usually subterfuge/fleet footed

and imp sprint

[jolly sierra]

is rlly fleet fotted being constantly dropped?

[dense thorn]

looks ok to me

[steel linden]

Are you me every game 👀

[potent pivot]

yes it's not that good with how many speed enchants etc we have

[jolly sierra]

hmmm

[potent pivot]

speed and other tertiary stats DR earlier than regular stats

[dense thorn]

i guess i cant moan.. i gained 600 cr yesterday

so maybe im just used to going 5-1 lol

[dense thorn]

so are you playing 1 point in leth

other than the fleet?

with the talents i posted

[potent pivot]

never

i almost always play gouge and sprint cd

[dense thorn]

yh id use gouge

if i have 1 more keybind and at a cr that isnt insta broken

[steel linden]

The inevitable swing. I'm still highest 1590 in solo but I've only played like 10 games. I need to do a true grind.

[potent pivot]

It’s also good as an extra interrupt in lobbies like that

[dense thorn]

i actually cant survive

in anything today

[dusk kelp]

Does anyone have a solid talent tree for sub rogue pvp?

Seeing multiple things online and not sure what to go; it's for the good ol solo shuffle

[warm lance]

murlok.io

[dense thorn]

lol dh just does like 3m more dps

than anyone else

its all useless

6-0 for disc priest.. 0-6 for resto shaman

6-0 for disc.. 0-6 for mw monk

where are disc nerfs?

[worthy crag]

Sub has quite a few tree variations

It'd be pretty opinionated to pick out a single "best" build because it's have personal bias

[dusk kelp]

Ahh

I'll try out multiple then!

Thank you! @worthy crag

[worthy crag]

You could pick out a high ranking player and copy their build

the differences will most likely boil down to echoing reprimand vs deeper stratagem

and rotten vs dark brew

[warm lance]

just had a warrior who legit threw the game entirely lmao

Just leap straight onto healer no matter what and ignore the rest of the game even existing

[dense thorn]

lmfao

i feel likei found a cheat code

with the step kidney the evasion

man im so dumb

[warm lance]

Same thing works against warrior die by the sword

[dense thorn]

lol

i need a cheat sheet

[warm lance]

dh can dodge from behind though

[dense thorn]

dh is a dumb class

i might just solo shuffle on it

it seems so brain dead

[fierce laurel]

Holy. Ww war is so oppressive for rogue.

So much disarm that you can’t dodge

[potent pivot]

soon™

[potent pivot]

you probably already know this, but you can step their disarm iirc

[tribal bay]

What do you mean

Is the PvE opener in the FAQ basically the same as what I’d use to open on someone in solo shuffle

For assa

[potent pivot]

unless i'm mixing it up with another ability, you can shadowstep their disarm because it has a travel time

[tribal bay]

Ohhhh

Wow that’s a high IQ move

[potent pivot]

somewhat, you wouldn't slice n dice in an opener though usually

[tribal bay]

Yea the slice n dice I thought of skipping

I’ll give that some practice cheers

[potent pivot]

you also wouldn't double rupture

[fierce laurel]

Shadow step doesn’t remove projectiles from landing on you

What do you mean step the disarm

[potent pivot]

there's a way to avoid it because of the travel time

[fierce laurel]

Meld?

[potent pivot]

maybe but it was being done last season as orc as well

[tribal bay]

Is it worth using ur meld to avoid a disarm

[potent pivot]

depends on the situation

[tribal bay]

True

[potent pivot]

if they're trying to stop you from landing a kill then yes

or if you're mid DM

[tribal bay]

Yeah true

Was lariat and ring bis for rogue? I’m thinking of making a 2nd rogue just for pvp but if 418 lariat is bis I might not

[dense thorn]

can you cloak the disarm

or evasion before?

i forgot

[lucid lark]

disarm their disarm

[dense thorn]

i dont have arms

how do they disarm me

[potent pivot]

nah it's not

[dense thorn]

i clearly see my weapons

[potent pivot]

even if it is, it's not by enough to worry about like that

[lucid lark]

my sin is 67 now, got her in pretty solid leveling gear, grabbed some enchants and the SL trinket combo

Really, really loving it

Doing some crazy shit

[fierce laurel]

I still only have 7 concentrated primal focuses.

This is awful.

I want my ring.

[tribal bay]

Easier to get from +16s than anywhere else

[worthy crag]

i obtained 1 concentrated from like 180 wins

just did keys for the other 9

[fierce laurel]

I doubt I’d get into 16s easily

[tribal bay]

Yeah

It’s pretty fried

That they are so much rarer from boxes and you have to win to get a box

But they are guaranteed at the end of a +16 and you don’t even need to time it

[worthy crag]

wait I JUST learned that outlaw has ambush procs that allow them to ambush outside stealth

and im 2100 mmr on outlaw ...

without having known this..

[tribal bay]

Isn’t that the whole feedback loop of outlaw

[worthy crag]

i only pressed ambush during dance

[tribal bay]

Pistol shot dispatch ambush dispatch etc

Then dance if no procs

[worthy crag]

did sinister strike outside

[tribal bay]

Fair

[worthy crag]

so when I could have ambushed, i only sinister striked

[tribal bay]

Lol

[worthy crag]

wow ..im an idiot..

serves me right for not even reading the tree

and just copy pastaing from nahj

[tribal bay]

Are you tracking your rtb buffs

[worthy crag]

yeah

What I usually did was get RTB & Slice going, kidney during BTE debuff

[tribal bay]

Yea should feel heaps better now then if you use ambush procs

[worthy crag]

and pop dance for ambush

and if i have no dance just have max pistol stacks

[tribal bay]

In pve at least you only dance when no procs and feedback loop feels bad

Not sure about pvp outlaw

[worthy crag]

Learning something new every day

[graceful ravine]

we beat venruki and supa!

[jolly sierra]

lol gratz

[warm lance]

Just had a match with a demo, literally unkillable but at the same time attacking the guy did nothing at all to stop his dmg

Very fun

[jolly sierra]

took back 1k8 w monk

[fiery relic]

honestly happy with these nerfs

thought they were gonna hit us harder

[warm lance]

Getting a 3 caster lobby actually feels so weird

And difficult to play in

[jolly sierra]

agree

u are the bullied one this time

[deep kiln]

Just tanked a cool 300 points lol

I'm so fucking terrible I guess

[jolly sierra]

which CR?

[deep kiln]

I dunno how people are doing good at rogue, I just get targeted every round and die. Healers cant keep me up

1800->1500

just lost 200 points one game

[jolly sierra]

wtf

[deep kiln]

yeah this game sucks

[jolly sierra]

did u left the lobby?

[deep kiln]

nah

this game just blows

[jolly sierra]

tbh i got 4set and started to beat ppl

[deep kiln]

yeah 4set is broken

and they're nerfing it

[jolly sierra]

before that i hide myself in RBG

[deep kiln]

im just gonna reroll on my warrior

rogue without 4set is useless

[jolly sierra]

F

[tribal bay]

Wrong

Rogue just isn’t as faceroll hard W at people like warrior

[deep kiln]

yeah warrior is easier and better outside of top mmr

[tribal bay]

It’s a different class you can’t be brawling with melee

[deep kiln]

its not worth it

too much stress to get griefed by neckbeards

[worthy crag]

are people still reporting frame freezing?

or has that gone away with addon updates

[deep kiln]

gladius/gladiusex are super broken

[waxen meteor]

oh wow

i was a bit worried about a double arm + ww lobby with my sin

did 2-1 in first 3 rounds then a war just quit

[warm lance]

Rogue is really good even without 4set

4set just makes it crazy good

[deep kiln]

when youre vs everyone with 2 or 4 set and your 2set sucks ass its real bad

[warm lance]

Eh

Not really

[deep kiln]

k

[warm lance]

Theres something else going wrong for you if youve lost that much rating

[idle root]

shortest solo shuffle queue

[deep kiln]

yeah im terribly unlucky

[winged pike]

assa 4 set is sub 10% on st for pve shit

[deep kiln]

was on a hot streak to 1800 then just got the most absolute troll griefing lobbies today. one game a healer was DCing during it and I went 0-3 with him, then he left the game

[winged pike]

if that’s what ur concerned about u prob don’t understand ur dmg that well

[deep kiln]

what?

[wooden spire]

dang what's that new channel? @potent pivot 👀

[potent pivot]

I'm excited to announce that our newest PvP resource; #pvp-faq is now up.
Be sure to check it out!

[potent pivot]

[waxen meteor]

will ask for NoTrickz nude

[wooden spire]

YO TRUE

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

[lucid lark]

[wooden spire]

[lucid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-cats-flashback-gif-10819307

[wooden spire]

8.3 flashbacks

[potent pivot]

[tender ferry]

God, and they feel like immortal raid bosses if the player isn’t a monkey

[fierce laurel]

2922 SS as sub... So I can just farm the focused essences if I switch to sin?

Concentrated focuses*

[sharp sierra]

shaman pvp discord

they are celebrating warlock buffs and rogue nerfs

[potent pivot]

i'm going to laugh if the assa nerfs don't do much

[graceful ravine]

the wound change is big

[sharp sierra]

i think caster meta will come back soon

[warm lance]

There we go. season new high achieved

[potent pivot]

yeah but into a lot of comps you didn't get to DM properly unless the other team fucked up

we still have hemo, but i agree DM will be a bit less effective

[warm lance]

1905 -> 1651 -> 1920

Swingy bois

[lucid lark]

50% on 4pc hurts but, it's playable without 4pc so still a big boost?

[potent pivot]

what

[lucid lark]

like having the 4pc is still good

[potent pivot]

yes

[lucid lark]

so sin will still feel pretty good is what im saying

[potent pivot]

it's still 10% on bleeds etc

yeah

i think so

[tribal bay]

Nice that’s exciting thanks man

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

i don't see it falling off as hard as what people seem to be expecting it to

[sharp sierra]

2050>1801>1950>1722

[potent pivot]

but tbh we need some actual tuning other than the nerf bat

outlaw could use a little pvp dmg boost

[warm lance]

Yes

👀

Give it to me

[potent pivot]

assa could use something defensively

needs some love compared to sub and outlaw

and still has the only dispellable CD in the game

which is just, disgusting

[warm lance]

Yeah its kinda stupid

[potent pivot]

especially once the rest of our dmg is tuned properly

[sharp sierra]

you know what makes me salty more than anything
in pvp as rogue you have to bust your ass to track drs and basically only shine as a class in the hands of a really experienced player
meanwhile the backpedalling warrior andy can crit 100k mortal strike and flame the healer while outperforming you in general

my 2 day vent from ss

[potent pivot]

shhh we don't speak of these things

[sharp sierra]

he just charge storm bolts the healer

and fucks up blind

yeah i will pressure the healer with my 10k garrote and 30k env

[potent pivot]

10k garrote?

you mean like, the first tick?

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

but yeah its really frustrating to be a new pvper as rogue

[warm lance]

Okay hol up. I just had 1 crit envenom last match

And it was into CDs so it did less than non crits

omega kek w

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

i went on my rdruid alt and just stood in melee casting rejuvs

5-1

[potent pivot]

been trying to get it out, but only have so much free time ya know

[sharp sierra]

healing in ss is hard please pay attention to me

[potent pivot]

thinking about adding openers and rotations to it later on

etc

[waxen meteor]

Is there a class change posted somewhere?

[warm lance]

If you stand in melee casting rejuvs in a lobby with me your ass getting swapped on

[potent pivot]

wdym?

the recent tuning post?

[waxen meteor]

found the post, a few hours ago

[tribal bay]

Legit

[potent pivot]

pika is like 2700 on the priest he started healing on what, yesterday?

[tribal bay]

Yeah sure but if you spend the time to get good at rogue then it’s always going to be good and you can carry games

[warm lance]

I kinda wanna keep queueing but I think I should stop while im ahead and in a good mood

New season high so its prob safe to just chill for now

[potent pivot]

not a bad idea

definitely sucks stopping after getting tilted

[warm lance]

34-26 score on rounds. Not bad

[potent pivot]

[tribal bay]

I watched a disc priest guide and the guy said just dps everything and win fast

[warm lance]

The amount of rounds ive played on just this spec alone is kinda staggering though...

[tribal bay]

Spam flash heal quickly if in trouble

[potent pivot]

i'm trying to decide if i level warr or priest

[tribal bay]

Warrior is so fun at the moment

[warm lance]

Warr is good fun to play atleast

[potent pivot]

i've always disliked arms tho ngl

[tribal bay]

Being able to easily close a kill with execute feels really good

So did I until last week

[lucid lark]

i dont like buffing one ability until it murders

[potent pivot]

i love smashing buttons on fury

[tribal bay]

I think fury has problems closing kills

[potent pivot]

i guess i never really gave arms much of a chance

i tried it once in SL and it felt slow AF

[lucid lark]

tbh I wish mop survival still existed

I miss it dearly

[potent pivot]

oo survival is also a good option

[lucid lark]

current survival is actually mad fun tho

[potent pivot]

the end of SL surv was fun af

[lucid lark]

i like how they just do a sustained fuckload of damage with no crazy highs or lows

[warm lance]

I should lvl my hunter

And try to get high rated on it again

SV was so fun in bfa s1

[sharp sierra]

i wanna play sp but leveling is so ass

[warm lance]

Oh right I do have to play my warlock at times still too

[sharp sierra]

going through df storyline for the 4th time

[lucid lark]

my rogue is 67 rn, I've been enjoying leveling bgs

[warm lance]

And now theyre buffing my spec on it

[lucid lark]

still dont know if it's scratching whatever weird ADHD cognitive dysfunction weirdo fucking criteria itch I have for my "main" class

I hate myself

[tribal bay]

So wound poison doesn’t stack with other effects? What does that actually mean

[potent pivot]

I’m assuming it was stacking with certain other classes abilities

[waxen meteor]

some buffs to war again?

[lucid lark]

spriest

was the biggest offender it hink

[potent pivot]

I think so but I don’t know if they’re very impactful tbh

[potent pivot]

Yeah that’s what I’ve heard

[lucid lark]

it was making disc/sin like absolutely oppressive

[potent pivot]

I don’t see us dropping DTB if I’m being honest

Even after the nerfs it’s just too good

[lucid lark]

no shot

I cant even play without it

it's so useful

[sharp sierra]

kingsbane someday

[potent pivot]

I wish

They kinda killed kingsbane across the entire game when they put it on the same node as DTB

[waxen meteor]

DH is doomed

Havoc
Restless Hunter (Talent) damage bonus for next Blade Dance/Death Sweep reduced by 40% in PvP Combat.
Developers’ notes: We’ve continued to see the potential burst provided by Restless Hunter much higher than we would like, especially in combination with Essence Break and The Hunt.

[lucid lark]

why kingsbane when bonespike

[potent pivot]

It’s no longer used, anywhere

[sharp sierra]

thank god lol

3 button melee classes dont have to track anything and play like its a m+ pack

[tribal bay]

It looks like a nerf to me

[tribal bay]

Overpower damage isn't that high they nerfed the good stuff

[sharp sierra]

it was barely ever used before that

idk what was their reasoning

[waxen meteor]

It feels a tiny buff to me?

[potent pivot]

It was in pve

[tribal bay]

And slam is a waste of a global bro

[lucid lark]

I wont rest until is see

"We've felt like Demon Hunter has been a problematic class for us to balance so we're giving up. On rolling restarts, all Demon Hunters will be deleted and we will try again at a later date"

[tribal bay]

Nobody has that bound

[lucid lark]

"Also rogues get 100% blur"

[potent pivot]

Nah it comes out to a nerf for sure

The buffed abilities were doing very small dmg in comparison

[warm lance]

Its a nerf

[waxen meteor]

But i remember overpower actually can be used quite often

just not being used nowadays

[warm lance]

They buffed slam which is whatever, overpower is nice but the big mortal strikes will do 20 to 40% less damage now

[lucid lark]

nah not that low

[tribal bay]

You use it just to buff mortal strike

[warm lance]

It went from 50 and 100 increase to 30 and 60

[lucid lark]

it was already nerfed in PVP

[tribal bay]

Yeah it was

It went from 50% to 33% effective

[lucid lark]

MS still gonna truck people

[sharp sierra]

bladestorm hitting mortal strikes was such a weird idea

[tribal bay]

And executioners 50% to 30%

[warm lance]

so 17 and 34 reduction on 1 and 2 stacks respectively

I was talking about the exec stacks

not martial prowess

[tribal bay]

I don't think warriors are overpowered and considering how easily they get floored I don't think they should be nerfing damage

[lucid lark]

its both

[warm lance]

Also bladestorm using mortal strikes was first around in legion afaik

the Tomb tier set

[lucid lark]

I thought it was a leggo

[warm lance]

4set from Tomb

[sharp sierra]

2 0-4, 1w people flaming each other in my last games

and they yell at each other how one of them being afk at the last 2 is scum behavior

[torn gull]

Bit of a noob to modern wow rogue. Just hit 70 and am Playing assassin… trying to get pvp gear through random BG queues and then aim to do arena. Anything I should be aware of as I start my BG venture? Did a few and noticed that holy crap I’m squishy. Even pre gaming with talented feint

[potent pivot]

just make sure you read all of your ability's tool tips thoroughly and get out there and practice

sin is a bit squishy yeah

if you're going to be taking part in team fights you can give the new talent Arterial Precision a try there, or you can try Indiscriminate Carnage

[torn gull]

Appreciate the tip. I’m working on rotations. Looking at arterial precision vs dragon tempered blades; seems a situational pick (I run arterial) or is there a clear winner there?

[potent pivot]

you can look up popular builds for each type of bracket on murlok.io (links in the pins)

[torn gull]

Excellent. Thanks!

[potent pivot]

in most cases DTB. but you can also take both

i would not suggest ever taking AP alone as your only capstone

you either take AP+DTB or AP+IC at the very least

[torn gull]

Do those builds skip iron wire or something? Guess I should check em out.

[lucid lark]

I wish exsang wasn't 3m

[potent pivot]

nope

[lucid lark]

I get it but

[potent pivot]

yeah i think they kinda fumbled the ball with exsang's placement in the tree

if they would've had it further toward the bottom they could've left it with a better power budget

[lucid lark]

Imo it could have like CD reduction based off kills so it's not as potent in arena but it's more fun in BGs/PVE

[sinful ingot]

are hunter flares supposed to be invisible or is it buggy?

[potent pivot]

they are not. maybe graphics settings?

[sinful ingot]

i have no idea what graphics setting should govern the flares not being dyed red

in bastion arena i just don't see them at all

[potent pivot]

hmm, particle density maybe. not sure

is it only in bastion?

[sinful ingot]

i noticed the problem in bastion

[waxen meteor]

no gear means auto die, that's typical

[sinful ingot]

but there's a shortage of hunters in skirmish right now so takes a bit to test

[waxen meteor]

at least you can stealth..

[sinful ingot]

wait what?

people can''t stealth?

[torn gull]

Haha. Yeah I have accepted that. I do better than I thought but still am in awe when a warrior slaps me for 80k+ in one shot

[potent pivot]

idk i'll keep an eye out, i'm positive i've seen them as normal in bastion before

[waxen meteor]

Oh don't worry, you will get 80k+ shots even when you graduates from lv 424 pvp gear

btw, hunters are getting some good buff

[torn gull]

Excellent.

[lucid lark]

I thought about giving MM another shot

[waxen meteor]

wait

Havoc
Restless Hunter (Talent) damage bonus for next Blade Dance/Death Sweep reduced by 40% in PvP Combat.

DH doesn't even pick this talent lol

[potent pivot]

i'm assuming lower rating use it to cheese one shots

[waxen meteor]

Could be

but DH even uses 'dance' route in PvE now

So i guess Sat/Sun/Mon I should push CR for Sin

[potent pivot]

you mean momentum?

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

momentum makes the spec much harder to play optimally

[waxen meteor]

yeah

but it's basically a must

slightly more dmg, harder to be interrupted, tons more survival

tbh i don't think people realize DH survives not really better than sin

and DH all has very low vers

[lucid lark]

fully outplay this war, he spears, I disarm and I'm just mauling him. right as he goes down, another warrior charges and spears

[waxen moon]

going to back to play rogue pvp, can I ask which spec and lengendary the best for pvp (arena)

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are viable, and there are no legendaries this season. only tier sets.

lot's of info in #pvp-faq and in the pins to start getting you up to speed

[warm lance]

Still kinda cant believe i got back my lost cr in 2 days

I was down 300 at worst

[potent pivot]

sometimes it just depends on the queues man

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm lance]

Alot of it was just swapping around my cd usage tbf

But theres been so many melee blenders i dont know how to play into casters anymore

[zinc nexus]

Guys am I overthinking the outlaw rotation or does it just do negative damage lol

[tribal bay]

Play assa or sub and don't hate urself

[zinc nexus]

I have too tho

also

We made it boys

shadowstep focus + kidney shot focus = good af

[lyric onyx]

I mean at low ratings even using a focus at all is a huge play

[zinc nexus]

Yea my outlaw is like 1600 right now lol

It would be a lot higher

But I suck

lol

[warped anchor]

i think that's probably true for most players

'i would be higher cr if i didnt suck'

[mystic shoal]

faq channel?

HUGE

i'll be sure to look at it once I'm out of the jail that is Mythic Raiding 😭

[warped anchor]

ew pve

[mystic shoal]

i say the same thing man

[grave basin]

so erm

how big are the assa nerfs?

should i re gear for combat

[potent pivot]

not big enough for that pretty sure

[grave basin]

Really?

4set 50% nerf and wound not duplicating on deathmark isnt a big nerf?

[potent pivot]

where does it say Wound isn't going to duplicate, exactly?

no longer stacks with similar effects.

doesn't exactly read that Deathmark won't duplicate it, but that it won't stack with other classes effects

either way, no i don't think it's as huge a deal as some are making it out to be

we still have Shiv(Hemo) to press when using Deathmark

assa was obviously overtuned, so losing 10% bleed dmg from 4-set isn't the end of the world "omg everyone reroll" territory imo

[minor cape]

no sub buffs again im going to cry

[grave basin]

[minor cape]

but frost dk buffs so im going to level it finally

i wanted to play this class but it seems pretty bad rn

[zinc nexus]

yea this spec actually just does no fucking damage

[lucid lark]

frost RN does insane burst but they get shut down pretty hard

[zinc nexus]

Yea they get shut down super fucking hard

[lucid lark]

especially into double melee, but if your healer slaps then you get free massive cleaves

I leveled a frost DK before my rogue and I want to like it but

[zinc nexus]

Lot of skill expression with fdk tho

You can make some nutty plays

[lucid lark]

I feel like it's very hard for me to play anything but rogue and hunter atm

because their kits feels really cool as far as setups and weird style shit

[zinc nexus]

I legit feel like as outlaw all of my gcds are like maintenance

[lucid lark]

you're not wrong but it's a little different

for me anyway

[grave basin]

survival gaming

is where it's at

[potent pivot]

outlaw has very similar maintenance to like, sub

and less than assa

well maybe similar to assa as well too tbh considering Cut to the Chase

[zinc nexus]

It just feels like I'm spending most of my time not doing damage

It's so weird

[potent pivot]

sounds kinda off

[zinc nexus]

Yea idk man lol. Like I do more damage legit on my disc priest

[potent pivot]

for one, between the eyes does good damage

the only "maintenance" outlaw has is Slice n Dice

[zinc nexus]

rtb

vial

feint

lot of globals and energy even

[potent pivot]

Roll the Bones is a buff, i wouldn't put it into the same category, but yeah

[zinc nexus]

I swear it seems like little amounts of energy but it adds up

[potent pivot]

are you pressing feint too much or something

you should only be pressing it when you need to

same with vial

[zinc nexus]

Idk I take the nahj philosophy on that one and use it on cd when I'm taking damage

let me see

[potent pivot]

those are defensives

[zinc nexus]

So 6 rounds of ss 12.5 minutes I used feint 20 times

vial 12

err 11

[minor cape]

not enough vial

[potent pivot]

that's good vial usage, that's fine

[zinc nexus]

I also took the most damage which makes sense

[minor cape]

oh wait

[zinc nexus]

The duality of man

lol

[minor cape]

outlaw

then idk

[potent pivot]

could do with a little more, but you use it when you need to idk

[zinc nexus]

Yea I need to use it even more but fuck man I just wanna do damage lol

Idk it so weird

I don't have this problem with other dps classes lol

[minor cape]

sub you sometimes go like vial - wait a little - vanish - vial - do the go

[zinc nexus]

I think like, I'll ss stun the healer, go back in

[potent pivot]

i mean, high uptime on the shortest defensive CD in the game

[zinc nexus]

Get a couple globals, then get micro cced and kited for a few seconds

then back to stunning the healer lmao

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't exactly complain

[zinc nexus]

YEA LIKE FEINT IS SO GOOD

Idk what's going on

[potent pivot]

outlaw's role isn't really to do big dmg

it wasn't in SL either

[zinc nexus]

That's fine

Just

maybe a lil damage?

[potent pivot]

nope

[zinc nexus]

Just a smidgen

lol

[potent pivot]

0 damage

[zinc nexus]

fuck

[potent pivot]

[zinc nexus]

I'm right on track then lmao

[potent pivot]

but seriously

outlaw has CDR on most of it's utility

it's pretty cracked when you look at it

[zinc nexus]

In theory

In practice idk

[potent pivot]

1.30min Blind

etc

[zinc nexus]

I just wanna do a lil more damage lol

[potent pivot]

it's not the best spec for shuffle, i think we all know that at this point

[zinc nexus]

I remember playing outlaw a few weeks ago and I had this same fucking issue too lol

[potent pivot]

because cc means less and damage means more than they do in actual arena

[zinc nexus]

Not with any other classes either

idk what it is

uptime maybe

[potent pivot]

it's definitely the hardest rogue spec to climb shuffle with

[zinc nexus]

I feel like maybe I spend too much time not getting uptime

[potent pivot]

maybe

[zinc nexus]

I played a ss fucking hpally bops their dk and dh blurs

like fuck me

ok

lol

[sharp sierra]

Hi

[potent pivot]

outlaw likes, almost needs high uptime

[zinc nexus]

Like on the opener

dh fucking darknesses high after that

like

reee

[sharp sierra]

What spec do u guys play?

[zinc nexus]

let me hit you ya fuck

Pirate

Cause I hate myself

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs

[sharp sierra]

What’s your favorite one ?

[vocal surge]

Outlaw

[potent pivot]

hard to pick tbh i like em all, very subjective

[sharp sierra]

🙄

Well I’m a newish player

[zinc nexus]

Frost dk

[sharp sierra]

Was looking for possible classes to play

I made a mage and it’s 12

And also a priest and it’s lvl 12

[potent pivot]

you won't really get a feel for a class until you try them at a higher level

[zinc nexus]

Mage is great if you wanna be annoying as fuck

[potent pivot]

you can make a Class Trial to fool around with

[sharp sierra]

and someone told me that rogue is fun in the newcomer chat

[potent pivot]

or watch some videos about them

[zinc nexus]

Do you guys do vod reviews here?

I need people to go over my disgusting gameplay

[potent pivot]

not currently no

[zinc nexus]

Despair

[sharp sierra]

I need a class that you don’t press too many buttons 😅

[potent pivot]

if you're fine posting it publicly maybe someone will take a look @zinc nexus

[zinc nexus]

Fury warrior

100%

[warm lance]

[zinc nexus]

Ok cool I'll try that then

[potent pivot]

button bloat has gotten pretty big this expansion

most classes have gained minimum 1-2 buttons compared to shadowlands

[zinc nexus]

I made a fury warrior cause it sounded fun. It's legit 2 fucking buttons for it's rotation I swear to god

[lucid lark]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/TGhgZV9WQnkqq/d1337tOYUFez?invite=cr-MSxLOW0sODg3Njc4NzEs

[potent pivot]

but yeah warrior, demon hunter, or even evoker all have less buttons than rogue

[sharp sierra]

Lol really

[zinc nexus]

I'm not kidding

[lucid lark]

I wish I got the rest of this, I 2v1'd a pres and guardian

[sharp sierra]

Sounds like a good class for me 😂

[warm lance]

Fury can gey hectic at times

[lucid lark]

and then this rogue pops up

[zinc nexus]

I was super excited and got super bored

[warm lance]

For burst windows you have roar, odyns, reck, ramp, bt, execute all pressable

[sharp sierra]

Maybe tommorow I’ll one

Are you guys also on the Wes coast ?

[lucid lark]

Eas

[sharp sierra]

Isn’t it late for u?!

[warm lance]

11:20am for me in eu

[lucid lark]

I am currently unemployed

[sharp sierra]

It’s 1am here for me 😊

[warm lance]

[sharp sierra]

Me too

[lucid lark]

I dont start work again until the 21st

[sharp sierra]

I’m a broke college student 😅

But this is my first year so I don’t wanna work yet so I can focus on school

[dense thorn]

I hate every class.

Until end game content then I like every class.

[lucid lark]

honestly true

[dense thorn]

Same shit. Different animations.

[warm lance]

Ive never truly enjoyed priest or druid

Every other class Ive played in some capacity and enjoyed

[lucid lark]

I'm probably the most at home with ole BANSHEESH

[dense thorn]

Keybinds the same. Stim button. Stun button. Speed button. Builder button. Spender button.

[warm lance]

Even then I raided Antorus mythic as boomy

[lucid lark]

but even as cool as she is, I still long for a class that doesnt exist

[warm lance]

Didnt truly enjoy it tho

[dense thorn]

The classes I’ve played the most are bdk (fuck the other specs) dh and rogue.

And priest actually a decent amount

[sharp sierra]

I’m hungry 😦

[warm lance]

Warrior, rogue, hunter

My most played

[dense thorn]

I’ve played all melee to a decent level pve wise.

Range only hunter. Doesn’t really count.

[sharp sierra]

What’s your favorite ?

[dense thorn]

And priest only healer in s4

Hmm

Depends

For pvp rogue.

For tanking bdk

For pure dps rogue

[warm lance]

Tbh I think even now if I hopped on Surv hunter id probably main it instantly again

[dense thorn]

Dh prob dps and tank

Healer priest

[warm lance]

Kinda scared to lvl it because of that

[sharp sierra]

What’s your main now 🙂 ?

[dense thorn]

Rogue

[lucid lark]

my surv stares at me every time I log on

[dense thorn]

That’s what my bdk does haha.

[sharp sierra]

So rogue is your favorite

[lucid lark]

i had a talk with bicmex the other day about picking a main

[dense thorn]

Like he’s sat full mythic gavel and s4 like ‘you forgot me bro?’

[warm lance]

Same. It just looks at me with "im your highest rated ever, play me" with those blood elf eyes staring into my soul

[dense thorn]

I hate levelling. It’s super boring. Rogue jsut happened to be the one I levelled.

Otherwise I’d play multiple

[sharp sierra]

O lol

I’m a noob

[dense thorn]

Will buy boost when it’s out and then play all the classes I’ve mentioned

[lucid lark]

i mean come on

[sharp sierra]

I only leveled two chars to 12 so far 😅

[dense thorn]

12 is literally nothing.

[sharp sierra]

What server do u play on?

[warm lance]

That sword mocks me. I never got that or scythe and i did antorus every week until bfa

[sharp sierra]

Lol I know but it took me all night 😂

[lucid lark]

bro I am

I ran antorus on 6 different chars every tues on all difficulties

[warm lance]

Mby ill lvl my sv soon

[dense thorn]

Yeah I just mean.. even when you hit end game level wise. It’s like 5% of the process

[lucid lark]

I JUST got tae a month ago, never saw the mounts or the scythes

[warm lance]

I did the same in legion

I had ALL classes leveled

[dense thorn]

I have everything 60.

[warm lance]

Well i only did mythic on 1

[lucid lark]

legion was that bitch tbh

I really miss it

[sharp sierra]

Maybe I’ll try to make a rogue

[dense thorn]

70 rogue. 70 dh. 65 bdk lol

[lucid lark]

So polished

[sharp sierra]

Who’s gona teach me 😊?

[dense thorn]

You should do a class trial or just play one to max.

[dense thorn]

YouTube is

[warm lance]

70 rog 70 war 70 lock rest 60-64

[lucid lark]

nobody here knows how to play rogue

[dense thorn]

Especially @potent pivot

[sharp sierra]

I don’t wanna watch YouTube videos 😢

[warm lance]

Learn it yo self like everyone else has

[dense thorn]

Won’t matter until you hit max level anywya lol

[sharp sierra]

I don’t wanaaaa 🥹

[dense thorn]

People doing 20s don’t know how to play rogue

[warm lance]

I wonder how stupid sv is gonna be now with the 5%

Its alrdy scary

[dense thorn]

It’s prob still shit

[warm lance]

Its real good tho

[dense thorn]

Stupid fucking pet classes.

All shit.

Hate them.

[lucid lark]

Surv doesnt have a pet

It has a best friend

[warm lance]

It does

[dense thorn]

Go home.

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

Pets are your best friends

[lucid lark]

using scare beast on a feral on CD tho

[warm lance]

Just remembering landing those trap baits and long ass cc chains..

[dense thorn]

Wtf you all got anime pics

[warm lance]

I do wanna play sv

[dense thorn]

Nerds.

[lucid lark]

junji ito isnt anime its art

[dense thorn]

Words.

[warm lance]

Loop you insecure bout something bud?

[sharp sierra]

Not me 🙂

[dense thorn]

My tiny penis.

[sharp sierra]

😂

[dense thorn]

But what’s that gotta do with anything?

[warm lance]

I can tell with a gym bro pic

GOTTEM

[sharp sierra]

At least you’re not afraid to admit it

😊

[dense thorn]

It’s only small compared to an elephant dick.

Wtf you guys comparing it to?

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

Stop talking about my dick.