pvp

[uneven grove]

i swear it's so fcking fun, but no free slot for it in arena

[dense thorn]

i wish pvp was shit

so i could go get a life

and go outside

i finished m+ for the season, i quit my raid team

and then BAM

PVP BUDDY

fml

[uneven grove]

it is pretty shit tho

[jolly sierra]

lemme see

[dense thorn]

but its new

new shit is god

good

[jolly sierra]

the panda had advantage

with reduced fall dmg KEK

[uneven grove]

nah he didn't take fall damage, not high enough

but got rekt since it was RBG

[jolly sierra]

i imagine in the voice shouting

"WTF WHY IM FLYING REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[uneven grove]

[dense thorn]

how much dam

should a mage do in a RMP setup?

seems low?

or is that how mage plays

[jolly sierra]

if they let glacial pike be casted should be more

[sharp sierra]

Man i have to dedicate some time to get all the dragon glyphs, i never feel like doing it.

[dense thorn]

takes 10mins

[fierce laurel]

Show by ability.

[sharp sierra]

Got to be longer than that lol. Have to look up coords, fly to like 30 of them i probably already got lol.

[fierce laurel]

Handy notes mod

[sturdy canopy]

Should be doing more than the frost dk tbf, unless they're getting trained the entire game

[dense thorn]

better this time

[uneven grove]

his setup is trash

[fierce laurel]

Looks like they didn’t handle their shatters properly.

[sturdy canopy]

Rmp dead tho long live rpp and rls 👀

[uneven grove]

frostbolt should be 0%

or at least close to 0%

[dense thorn]

we have only lost 1 game

out of 10

[fierce laurel]

Ice lance should be way more.

[dense thorn]

so its not going badly but just wondered

[uneven grove]

u only cast frost bolt when u can't cast glacial, no finger proc, ring of fire and night fae ability both CD, and it doesn't worth to press blizzard

[sturdy canopy]

Depends on the build he's playing tbf, but his build looks kinda ass

[uneven grove]

and frozen orb is still on CD

[fierce laurel]

If you’re playing it like setup sub/fire then it might be fine but your sin so I doubt it.

[jolly sierra]

i dont understand anything about mages but kk

[uneven grove]

also if he plays RMP and wants to kill with a clean setup just play Ray of Frost

[sturdy canopy]

Glacial spike go brrr

[dense thorn]

nah we playing frost/sin

lol

i have no idea who they are

just a pug

[uneven grove]

but frost 60% damage is just ice lance spam

[dense thorn]

like this

its funny the amount of FOTM rerollers

are just so fucking bad as the class

like learn it bro

come here and annoy everyone

esp @potent pivot

he likes being pinged

[fierce laurel]

Lol. Is that a 30 second game?

[dense thorn]

pretty much

rogue melted

i cant

whys he dam so dif every game lol

[sharp sierra]

Thanks

[gusty grotto]

Guys, where to spend my conquest

[dense thorn]

also only needs to do 1 ever

[dense thorn]

as in the vendor

or the actual items?

[gusty grotto]

in the vendor, just started playing pvp

first item

i have gotten two trinkets with honor

[dense thorn]

post a screenshot

of your character

and gear

[fierce laurel]

Weapon trinket gloves ring

[sturdy canopy]

I went weps, trinket (not the medallion tho) , rings , gloves bracers and then anything that isn't tier,

Crafted boots n crafted neck

[warm lance]

19% vers

[gusty grotto]

i literally started pvp 1 hour ago x)

[jolly sierra]

[dense thorn]

just be like me and have 40% crit

are my stats good?

[gusty grotto]

what stats do we want after vers?

[dense thorn]

mastery

wait

youre outlaw

i have no idea

what you wanna do

is go into talent tree

and swap to literally any other spec

[gusty grotto]

better now? xD

[dense thorn]

youre still outlaw

so no

😄

[gusty grotto]

ah fuck i got mastery vers gloves with conquest cause u said mastery x)

[dense thorn]

it might still be mastery

it is for sub and sin

[gusty grotto]

I wanna play outlaw

[dense thorn]

drustvar

ad just copy their gear

[gusty grotto]

its supposedly not bad and its easier + my main

[warm lance]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery

[sturdy canopy]

Wouldn't say law is easier just more zugable

[warm lance]

Weeelllllll.. kinda disagree on the easy part

[sturdy canopy]

Mastery is kinda aweful for law

[gusty grotto]

rip gloves then

[jolly sierra]

he is beating ur crit record loopy lol

[sturdy canopy]

Keep em incase you wanna try out other specs tho aye

Iits a shame outlaw sucks now, I miss double outlaw

[dense thorn]

😭 imposter

thing is

[warm lance]

Its not that it sucks

[dense thorn]

i main (i guess sub now actually) but outlaw in pve

upto decent content

its so shit in pvp

its just not fun lol

[warm lance]

Its just worse than assa/sub which are just obscenely good

[dense thorn]

its nice to play all 3 specs tbh

i tend to play the class not the spec

so if i dont ever touch a spec it makes me sad

its why i cant main my bdk anymore... as hes a bdk,, i hate frost/unholy

[jolly sierra]

sub can delete u in a technique and assa in the long road

[warm lance]

Outlaw just lacks the defenses its playstyle requires

[jolly sierra]

but outlaw feels like cannon fodder RN

i wanna another person which calls me a toxic elitist for say this cmon

[warm lance]

Not me then

[dense thorn]

lol

[jolly sierra]

KEK

[dense thorn]

this was literally seconds

buff ass please

also pvp is like civ

6

'just one more game'

turns into 5 hours

[jolly sierra]

lock goes brr

[warm lance]

Pmuch

I lose myself in solo q

[dense thorn]

ie been playing 3s and 2s

all day night

[warm lance]

I did the same week1-2

Only solo

[jolly sierra]

soloq is fking RNG to climb

[sturdy canopy]

Sin in 3s is so addictive
Something bout winning every game just hits different

[jolly sierra]

u can get a lot of good matches in a row

[sturdy canopy]

2s*

[warm lance]

Sin is so swingy

[jolly sierra]

or crappy shit which will make you mad and drop into the void

[warm lance]

Lobby matters so much

[jolly sierra]

for me w rog was the 1st one tho

yesterday

[sturdy canopy]

Lobby's at 1200-1600 are the worst for rouges EU

It's literally all just wars and dks, and the odd pally

[jolly sierra]

yep

[warm lance]

Ye

Prob same on na

[jolly sierra]

if u rid off that shit then u are safe

i was sunk into 1480 at start of week since 3 weeks ago when i dropped the char in soloq

then come back after getting 2 more pvp tier pieces

and raised, but was tiresome af OOF

[warm lance]

Ive yet to do pvp this week

[jolly sierra]

im going w ret RN

luckily fixed the camera lua error

[gusty grotto]

how difficult do you think it is for a beginner to climb the ladder?

like complete beginner in pvp

[warm lance]

Difficult

[sturdy canopy]

Also no offence to any war players in here, but they gotta be the only class that decides to run in and never let you get a sap every time even when you ask em to

[warm lance]

Youll start from scratch

[jolly sierra]

ask loopy he is the newcomer here

[dense thorn]

i mean all offence to them

fucking idiots

YOU HEAR ME WARRIORS

[warm lance]

Every fucking class does that

DH the most

[dense thorn]

and you fucking dh pve fucking noobs

yes

dh

DickHeads

[sturdy canopy]

Nah you get the odd person from each class sure, but it's almost every single warrior 😂

[dense thorn]

and dh

war and dh

have a compeition

to who can LOS the healer

across the map

first

[warm lance]

Honestly, this is anecdotal but after almost 1k rounds on rog in solo its fucking everybody

[dense thorn]

but war LEAPS

like

lol

[warm lance]

But but

[sturdy canopy]

Aye I guess with alot of other classes if you can sprint in you can get the sap before they open anyhow

[gusty grotto]

so

[dense thorn]

im getting insta invites to pvp groups now

[gusty grotto]

0 to glad when?

[dense thorn]

ive mad it boys and girls

[warm lance]

The amount of times ive forced ALL defensives from ppl by charging on on my warr and leaping out is hilarioua

[sturdy canopy]

Baso carrot you'll find from 0-1k easy and then everything after that will be pain untill you start getting cc chains down

[sturdy canopy]

Being back the zero to hero challenges

[warm lance]

On rog if you just full send it 1.9 is easy

You can out dmg everyone

As Assa i should clarify

[dense thorn]

nah

sin is the hardest class to play in the game

its only skillful people who get there

ask cdew

they suck with rogue

kekw

[sturdy canopy]

Remember in sls when queuing into hunter healer in 2s would make you cry and now it's just a free win beacuse they can die though turtle 🐢

[sturdy canopy]

Feel like Sins one of those easy to play hard to master specs aye

[dense thorn]

you shove my dh mate

on a rogue

and he just dies instantly

lol

dh he just pewpews

pve spe

c

why at end of arena

did it say 'pvp equipment upgrades available'

when i didnt hit a new bracket

[bold bison]

I've tanked from 2k down to 1.7k today in solo

it is legit the most tilting game mode, it's so easy to queue but suddenly you wait 35 min for a queue to pop and lose 100 CR with 2-4

every lobby it's just 2 melee training me so I die in a stun

[dense thorn]

ive gained about 2000 cr

today from dif modes lol

server shut downs

bro

SADGE

[waxen meteor]

Server down again?

[dense thorn]

in 10 min

[jolly sierra]

now the DCs in eu are daily?

are u fkn kidding me

well at least climbed well w ret

+100 cr in difference, nice

[torn gull]

When y’all use Echoing, how much effort do you put in to using the charged combo points? I’m finding it hard to use them reliably when generating CP’s can be sometimes unpredictable (crits from combo generating skills).

[dense thorn]

after shiv

it depends

[gusty grotto]

i found a random warr

and we are queueing 2s

[dense thorn]

lol

[gusty grotto]

and he is simping HARD

[dense thorn]

rip

[gusty grotto]

idk

[dense thorn]

simp for me

[gusty grotto]

he saying like i love you so much

my new mate

i add you fl

you are god

xD

and im like

bruh i started playing pvp 2 hours ago

i just press buttons and it keeps working

[dense thorn]

^ lol

too true

[gusty grotto]

i guess knowing how the spec works in pve helps'?

[dense thorn]

wait

grey log gang are twisting nether?

i thouht you were draenor

[jolly sierra]

get out those psychos

[dense thorn]

when did you lot move....?

[dense thorn]

youre also like 0cr.. so people have no idea lol

[jolly sierra]

remember

they will ask u constantly everytime u log

if u dont, will be mad, happened to me twice

[dense thorn]

are you eu?

anyone wanna come play chess? thats PVP still

https://www.chess.com/challenge/JMEMaLN

[jolly sierra]

yes

[dense thorn]

add me on my friend list so i can make a macro to whisp you everytime i use enveom

😄

"hey babe.. wanna game ❤️ xoxouwu"

[gusty grotto]

move?

[dense thorn]

werent grey log gang on draenor?

i played with you lot in CN i think

unless im being dumb

[gusty grotto]

probably a different one?

i just joined them a month ago

[dense thorn]

well it doesnt exist now lol

everyone left it

[gusty grotto]

then they might have moved idk

[dense thorn]

wowprogress is greyed out ironically

and does 2s DPS with outlaw work?

isnt that like... NOT META

[gusty grotto]

playing sin

[dense thorn]

oh it wasnt you on outlaw

m

b

[jolly sierra]

kek

[sharp sierra]

Can you still only do old raids once a week?

Like molten core

[noble skiff]

is either Engi or LW worth getting for PVP with the new craft/tinker mechanics

[waxen meteor]

Guys i know we have been talking about Arms

Run into a lobby with Fury, very unepxcted, nobody decided to go for him, but he did 35k dps some rounds

Over DH/Feral in all rounds

didn't win too many games but it's very crazy dmg

[jolly sierra]

tbh im more scared for arms

fury is more manageable, dunno why

[waxen meteor]

true

i am just surprised he went that high dmg in multiple rounds

[jolly sierra]

maybe he was unleashed

sometimes happens

[dense thorn]

look im telling you

its impossible to go 6-0

cause you get that one player who never wins lol

enemies gg me.. ive made it agai

n

[jolly sierra]

wa

t

why u have +13 CR difference with 1k3

and 5 wins

[dense thorn]

huh?

should it be higher or lower lol?

[jolly sierra]

higher tho

[dense thorn]

cause its not 6-0

[jolly sierra]

for me 5 wins are like 60 CR

[dense thorn]

not sure tbh

MMR prob trash

i need a damn spark

and i swear the drop rate is 0.000000001%

[jolly sierra]

:/

[graceful ravine]

moving up in the world

[dense thorn]

im climibg.. its all clicking and its fun as fuck

im now 1.4k~ in solo, 2s and 3s

after not touching anything ever before.. im coming for you 😄

so when i get a spark i can craft the boots.. or do i make a tier piece to 424?

my tier is 424, 408, 411 and 415

[waxen meteor]

my spark mission seems to be bugged, it stuck at 25/100

[dense thorn]

or can you not change the crafted?

spark mission?

oh the weekly lol

[waxen meteor]

Glad at least i don't really care about it anymore

just doing random world quest while waiting in queue

[dense thorn]

i really need to get a spark for the crafted gear

my mate has had 3 drop since the bottled essence

ive not got anything lol

ive easily played 125-150 rated games

and like 100 solo shuffle rounds

what is the drop % lol

[warm lance]

6-0 can happen but its alot about luck

[waxen meteor]

in an easy lobby for rogue 6:0 is achievable even at high CR

in a hard lobby, just be happy get out 33

[dense thorn]

im going allot of 5-1

4-2

as normally 1 guy that is just terrible

that gets hard focused lol

[waxen meteor]

yeah it happens

[jolly sierra]

got a 1-5 RN against a WW/arms/dh and double priest w my ret

[waxen meteor]

when there's one person significantly bad and found out in early rounds, there's nothing you can do

[jolly sierra]

inmunities goes brrrrrrrrrrn't

[dense thorn]

how hard is disc/holy going to be to play in solo

if i have healed like 25s on it last season

^ not relevant but i know how to play the class pve style

3 pala lobby

yay

[jolly sierra]

they are buffed tho

alright hope can retake the points, will be the last one of the night

[dense thorn]

hahaha

ret died with EVERY CD up

in opener

[jolly sierra]

yeah

if they got dispelled

its over

abs its kind of a bitch with the 30s cd

nice not mass dispellers

[dense thorn]

2-0 so far

learning to kite now

which is helping ALLOT

[potent pivot]

you can get everything crafted without being a profession, don't need to pick one based on that. also most engi stuff doesn't work in pvp.

[dense thorn]

3-0

lets gooo

think healer dif

because only me and 1 healer are 3-0

4-0 😄

5-0

omg please give me a 6-0

[proper heath]

I like how we've been given a live play by play update by loop .

[dense thorn]

OMG

YEAH

finally

you fuck

woo me

[dense thorn]

hahah ikr 😄

[noble skiff]

alright cool thanks for the reply

[proper heath]

I wish I got happy like this still.

The magic is gone

I'm old now

[dense thorn]

first time for everything

its like when i do pve content its like oh wow we timed a 24 who cares

cutting edge meh

6-0 wooo

[proper heath]

If u time a 24 atm. it's pretty badass

[fiery relic]

I mean getting AOTC or Cutting Edge the first time is a pretty amazing feeling

[dense thorn]

yeah

[fiery relic]

I chased that high for years

[dense thorn]

maybe not AOTC

[fiery relic]

Depends on the tier

[dense thorn]

seeing as it takes 2 raid nights from release

tbh... sire was hard

lol

[fiery relic]

So was sylvannas

[dense thorn]

as in.. took us 3 days

[jolly sierra]

alright is enough for today

[dense thorn]

sylvannas was first week

[jolly sierra]

lost 100 cr this night

[fiery relic]

Sylvannas was horrible

[dense thorn]

YO WANNA PLAY XOXO CUTIEKEKWXO

[fiery relic]

Mythic Painsmith broke me though

[dense thorn]

mythic sylvannas is what made me quit raiding

havent raided properly since then

missed s3 completely

s4 i tanked and its whatever, refused todo sylvannas

got AOTC this tier and wont go into raid again

[fiery relic]

Same. Painsmith literally broke me and I bailed for the last two seasons

[dense thorn]

i was a dh on painsmith

that was hella fun haha

my fav boss actually

[fiery relic]

I had Painsmith on lock. My guild did not

[dense thorn]

that and sludge

[fiery relic]

I loved sludge

[dense thorn]

CN was the best raid tier in shadowlands

[fiery relic]

Agree

[dense thorn]

take out the healer one..

forgot the name of it

[fiery relic]

LOL

[dense thorn]

and put painsmith there

and its the best tier

tbh eye was a good 2nd boss too

[fiery relic]

Painsmith was a really cool fight

Eye was good, and KT was kinda fun

Honestly sanctum wasn't a bad tier outside of sylvannas

[dense thorn]

kt

was awful

[fiery relic]

Idk I liked it. Better than fatescribe

[dense thorn]

yeah and i didnt really like council

KT over council

sun king

thats the fucker.. so shit lol

i kind of liked soulrender too

seph was just dog shit

[waxen meteor]

spent two 30 minutes queue and ended up with two straight melee blend

[dense thorn]

sadge

[waxen meteor]

ok i exited with double 3:3

[worthy crag]

sure feels weird to not use first dance anymore

[dense thorn]

anyone got a healer alt that wants to get me 1.8k in 2s 😄

[waxen meteor]

1.8k in 2s isn't easy these days

[dense thorn]

im 1650

feel its not that bad

[waxen meteor]

not a lot of people playing 2s now

[dense thorn]

yh in the lfg

everyones cr/rating is so much lower than mine and im not even high

[waxen meteor]

Could Fury remove bleeding like Arm?

[long shore]

Hey guys, when do you press exaanguinate ? Before death mark or after?

[lucid citrus]

Before

[graceful ravine]

this assa rogue puts shame on our name smh

died in the opener within 30 seconds every match lol

[waxen meteor]

think he just had a 6:0 then lost a 0:6 lol

he entered with 2399 CR

MMR still at 2533 after a 0:6

[dense thorn]

yeah that dayvanie guy sucks 😛

im getting 100cr a win now tarny

for 4 wins

i think they wantme up with dayvanie

healer that went 1-5 and only won a round with me lol

[graceful ravine]

lool

[dense thorn]

WTF

solo shuffle queue insta pop

[sharp sierra]

playing arenas with sound into warriors is so lame

its like a weird cock and ball torture gay porn

AAAAAAAAAA ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAA UAAAAAAAAAAAA

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/edb6fu

when they underestimate your dmg

[dense thorn]

wtf is that

i dont get the CR.. higher lobby, more rounds won and i get 66.. lobby before i went 4-2 and got 96

i have gone 5-1, 5-1, 6-0, 5-1

and my cr wont grow that much lol

is this good? 61.11% win rate

whats everyone elses at the higher elos?

[dense thorn]

so overall thats 52% ish win rate

so if i carry on doing this.. im at 2.9k player

confirmed 2.9k player

quick math

[potent pivot]

always before

[dense thorn]

omg its trickz

[potent pivot]

where

[dense thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-trick-deception-sketchy-ryan-hayes-ryan-o-connell-gif-16576090

[graceful ravine]

lol their display is bugged tho

[dense thorn]

thats 57%

omg im 61%

IM 3K PLAYER

haha get on my level noobs

[graceful ravine]

nvm not bugged, just weird they show sub in there when its an assa rating

[dense thorn]

bet you couldnt beat me

in my 1.4k lobbies

hahah

[graceful ravine]

prob not

everybody zugs in there and ruins my drs

[dense thorn]

our strat last game vs 2 disc priest healers

was run in.. and just bomb the shit outof them

theyd die in the opener or run around with 10% health

then die

[waxen meteor]

Poor Dragon

[sharp sierra]

solo shuffle players just run in and pretends its a m+ pack

[graceful ravine]

i wonder if being kicked prevents from them using defensives

could be big brain if true

[dense thorn]

haha

this is so true

watching pve players who do top content.. go into pvp is hilarious

they go in.. pop everything, pop every defensive when someone farts on htem

then insta trinket

then die and are like PVP so shit

[sharp sierra]

pve players almost always suck in pvp
pvp players are decent at pve

and its so funny

[dense thorn]

but id say im a pve player

its about learning how to play

like they learnt pve

but they are just completely useless at it

[waxen meteor]

you are climbing fast 🙂

[dense thorn]

i agree pvp going to pve is way better

[potent pivot]

pvp just requires a vast amount of game knowledge of every class

[dense thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-so-much-gif-25114698

[waxen meteor]

as said, you need to know everyone in pvp

[dense thorn]

i just spam this chat

honestly ive learnt from here way more than anywhere else

[waxen meteor]

in pve you need to know pretty much yourself only and boss as DPS

[dense thorn]

and i have pika on 24/7

the healer main

[waxen meteor]

for example you really don't need to know what DK uses as bursting as a rogue in PvE

[dense thorn]

i agree

the other thing is i did play allot of tank in s3/s4

so i had to know what cds were for burst and pulls

think that has helped

but ive always played allot of pvp in 2 weeks

i want 2.4k this season (wonthappenbutwecandreamright)

[waxen meteor]

Good luck

[graceful ravine]

could happen if inflation works overtime

r1s prob 3500-3600 end of season

[dense thorn]

maybe.. im 1300 in 3s with 20 games

1600 in 2s

1600 in solo

so inflation thats like what 1.8k?

1.9k?

by end of season

so i just need to find 500 cr somewhere haha

[fierce laurel]

Win % doesn’t mean much. Like with any ladder you climb when you’re above 50% and drop when you’re below.

[graceful ravine]

should i buy outlaw wpn and be a pirate..

[dense thorn]

world quest gives outlaw wpn

[graceful ravine]

hmm thats a good point i can use my trophies

[dense thorn]

it took pika 1 day to get 2.4k on his disc

im better than pika so i should be 2.4k tomorrow

[coarse stone]

priest root bug is amazing

love it

[fierce laurel]

Weren’t you just asking if there was a catch-up

[graceful ravine]

for alts

debating on makign a 2nd rogue

[fierce laurel]

For crit gear?

[graceful ravine]

just to play in lower cr arena games

2/3s etc

[dense thorn]

im also debating a 2nd rogue

so i can actually buy the right stuff

[waxen meteor]

you can play mine

[waxen meteor]

Good luck straight 6:0 s

[dense thorn]

60 rounds 60 wins

[waxen meteor]

tbh it's really quick to reach 2400 if you do 60s

[dense thorn]

yh i think i got like 500 cr today

so just keep that up for a couple days ha

[waxen meteor]

if you can get over 1600-1800 you are good

that's where all melee blend is at

or at least where they were at

[dense thorn]

thats where i am atm

i noticed lots of dk,dh now

[waxen meteor]

i hardly saw any range/caster in that range back then lol

[fierce laurel]

1800-2500 sucks as sub.

1/4 drs everywhere 10 seconds into the DR reset.

[waxen meteor]

I am lucky havn't done any many low mmr sub games

first 2 games for sub went super good, then it's all 2.1+ mmr sub games

[waxen meteor]

I am getting more and more chill against this when playign sin

whatever, if you stun kill target, i just throw kidney someone else and sometimes it works good lol

anyway if they refresh DR, next kidney will be available shortly after DR reset

[dense thorn]

pika stream funny lol

top 164 disc priest in 1 day

[waxen meteor]

I think real elite players are super good at reading the game

[dense thorn]

hes 411 gear, and clicking frames

[waxen meteor]

they will reach top 200 no matter what classes they play

after reading the skills of course

[dense thorn]

yh i notice this with pve

i wish i was as good at pvp as i was at pve

😦

[waxen meteor]

healer in PvP takes a lot of read in my opinion

you need to know when to attack when to heal

and it's all predictions

[pastel burrow]

been lurking in this channel since the start of the season and i want to thank you bros for your tips and good vibes keeping me on the grind cause today we got it🙏

[dense thorn]

congrats 😄

[waxen meteor]

Grat, but you look short

[dense thorn]

where ya legs bro?

[jolly sierra]

gratz

[pastel burrow]

im here for the kobold lifestyle 😔

[waxen meteor]

It seems everybody here loves our set look this season

[jolly sierra]

interesting, the venth tabard looks very well w the elite pvp set, will try it later

[dense thorn]

yh its great

[jolly sierra]

yeah, i love everything from the set but the helm

[waxen meteor]

helm is also not bad

i like it

[pastel burrow]

i really dislike some bits of the chestpiece but i dig it overall

[waxen meteor]

i guess it really dpends on your race

[jolly sierra]

maybe cuz every helm w my char looks like shit

[pastel burrow]

some monster hunter kinda shit

[jolly sierra]

lemme try it in panda

[pastel burrow]

v true

[dense thorn]

in..

in panda

sus

[jolly sierra]

there is a lot of ppl here lurking RN, only appears to give reacts

[dense thorn]

lets test it

react to me

[lucid lark]

For the recommended sin builds, can someone run me down on what bursting someone on a go would like like with it? (I've not played sin in years and I leveled as outlaw so I'm a bit out of my depth)

[jolly sierra]

dont selfreact XDDD

[dense thorn]

kidney, shiv

[steel linden]

Brother I felt this cause coming back to the game I've progressed further than I ever have in PVE but in PVP I'm playing like dogshit lol

[jolly sierra]

maybe is not the hour lol

[dense thorn]

i can explain why

[steel linden]

I just had my first two 2-4 games ever at 1590 in solo shuffle and I decided to get off and play when I'm less tired lol

[dense thorn]

basically... pve has a learning curve like.. normal, heroic, m0, m+2, m+3, etc... it scales upwards

pvp.. just kind of goes... BAM

[steel linden]

Last time I queue solo shuffle after raid

[dense thorn]

because elo is sometimes skewed

[steel linden]

Is true

[potent pivot]

[steel linden]

I have just been getting deleted by warriors so hard

[dense thorn]

disarm them

kidney them

they are so useless

[steel linden]

I feel like I'm probably not just running enough when they have CDs

[waxen meteor]

what is this tabard, i have been hiding tabard like forever in any look

[steel linden]

I do it all, I think I'm just letting them get too much free damage when defensives are down on my end

That's probably my biggest issue

[dense thorn]

vent cov

[dense thorn]

evasion spear

[lucid citrus]

why is 2's so hard right now

[dense thorn]

dismantle

blind them

run like the wind

[jolly sierra]

the court of the harvesters one

[dense thorn]

shadowstep healer etc

[waxen meteor]

ok, had to google that lol

[jolly sierra]

is w exalted with that same name faction

is from shadowlands, the main venthyr one

[pastel burrow]

venth tabard is my go-to edgy tabard

its clean af

[steel linden]

I do every time lol

[jolly sierra]

i look like this w the helm

[steel linden]

Gotta get better at saving Shadowstep to go to healer

[waxen meteor]

problem is not helm

[jolly sierra]

without helm and w tabard like this

[jolly sierra]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[steel linden]

Honestly a good look

[jolly sierra]

well, even without helm don't care, loose clothes looks fine

[jolly sierra]

ty lol

gonna go to oribos to get the tabard

[pastel burrow]

this looks sick

[jolly sierra]

fuck the helm KEK

ty for the idea for tabard guy

[waxen meteor]

Can you try illidans headband on?

what to see how a blind panda looks like

[jolly sierra]

u are way too curious

sure

[waxen meteor]

Looks in adult shop

I mean with the set though

[jolly sierra]

XDDDDDD

[lucid lark]

man i hope this doesn't awaken something within me

[sharp sierra]

what

[lucid lark]

Just step firebreath and kick surge bro wym

haha just line it

[jolly sierra]

jebaited

[sharp sierra]

tf is this shit

he just runs in

presses his fly thing

cant be caught and hits 200ks

[dense thorn]

apparently i cant lose more than 1 round a game

today

i wanna go off

but i also dont wanna go off

[jolly sierra]

go off when u lose points

as advice for the elite pvp set

try getting deathwing lego daggers, fits wery well w that set

with mark of bledding hollow or flames of ragnaros illusion

[lucid lark]

384 rating for that priest

[jolly sierra]

yeah, 0 cr

[lucid lark]

oh in placement games

[dense thorn]

im in a 2.1k lobby

k

im only 1600

[lucid lark]

if you do well in that lobby you'll probably get rly good rating tho

do your best

[dense thorn]

1-1 atm

[lucid lark]

if you won one, you can win more

dont be intimidated

show them the jutsus brother

[silent umbra]

A go in sin is you’ve after they’ve trinketed you’ve got a full rupture into vanish garrote build kidney exsang dm shiv envenemom mfd envenom

[dense thorn]

i went 3-3

[silent umbra]

Something like that

[dense thorn]

id say thats good

[lucid lark]

Thats great bro actually

[dense thorn]

96 cr

for it

[lucid lark]

means you're par for the course to play at that rating

[dense thorn]

well i lost one round

as my bars took my abilities off

so i couldnt evasion

[lucid lark]

LOL

[dense thorn]

so i honestly think i could of gone 4-2

[lucid lark]

the gods themselves nerfed you

[dense thorn]

hahah

i have action bars hiden too

so now im paranoid

if im going into 2.1k lobbies

and holding 3-3.. i should be able to get there with patience

thats satisfying to think

[lucid lark]

i see a lot of top SS sin rogues dont use exsang at all, also DM after exsang?

Dont you want DM earlier?

[dense thorn]

dm before

isnt it

no

im tired

i have no idea what im saying

but you DM after exsan

unless im wrong

[pastel burrow]

exsan cuts your dm so u def wanna dm after

[dense thorn]

another 2k lobby interesting

[lucid lark]

i dont know at all, Im leveling sin rn but it seems like you'd want to dm-> rupture/garrote and then exsang so they bleed out at 100% more damage 80% faster?

[silent umbra]

I used to copy top murlok talent builds but I realized if you’re in the <1500 bracket you basically just want to pump as fast as possible and exsang has helped with that

[lucid lark]

that's fair

[pastel burrow]

yeah i take exsang over master assassin, it's made some pvokers panic their cleanse or w/e it is

then there's room for deathmark

[silent umbra]

Check the pve faq for why you dm after exsang

[lucid lark]

Okay will do, thank you

[silent umbra]

Im too stupid to explain it

[dense thorn]

i never used exsan

until today

or yesteryda

i like it

makes you have like '2 goes'

to scare people

[lucid lark]

OH thats so fucking obvious jesus christ

DM IS a bleed itself so exsang makes its duration halved

[dense thorn]

why can i sometimes not vanish

[lucid lark]

flare

[dense thorn]

oh

so you cant just vanish for garrote

in it

big brain

[lucid lark]

yeah, i flare on top of tar trap on my survival

[dense thorn]

im 3-2 so far in this 2k lobby

give me points

plz

[lucid lark]

You got this

[dense thorn]

4-2

ez

but i want my easy lobbies back

lol

where the healers dont use cds when im hitting them

ive gone up 200cr in those last 2 games lol

[lucid lark]

nice man

meteoric rise

[dense thorn]

yh i think im up 600-700cr in solo today

[dense thorn]

3 evokers

with shroud

is ass

we did it boys

[lucid lark]

Lets gooo

[dense thorn]

i think i was 1200 3 hours ago

someone said go bed when you lose cr

but i havent lost any and its now 8am

fml

[dense thorn]

IT WAS YOU

[lucid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-evil-star-wars-meme-gif-20730616

Keep going

[dense thorn]

nah then ill tilt

and lose all my points

good enough for this week so far

[lucid lark]

Fair point

Im excited to hit 70 and get in there but I'll be... 3 weeks behind on Tier LOL

[dense thorn]

fwiw i was meant to go to bed about 7-8 hours ago

i came on for 1 game

[dense thorn]

you can get insta 3 piece

on reset

so its all good

[lucid lark]

Wait what

[dense thorn]

yeah

[lucid lark]

Exlain

[dense thorn]

dont the catalyst charges stack?

[lucid lark]

No clue how it works tbh

[dense thorn]

have you not played at all?

[lucid lark]

Off and on

[dense thorn]

have you done the catalyst weekly?

[lucid lark]

Mostly leveling classes trying to find a main

[dense thorn]

then honestly not sure how it works if you havent done the weekly.. but if you have youll have 3 catalyst charges which means 3 conq tier pieces

then 1 more week for the 4th no matter what

[potent pivot]

you cannot

[dense thorn]

if you have catalyst you can?

[potent pivot]

you gotta do the weekly to gain charges afaik

unless you have a main character that has done it

ah he talked about having a hunter earlier, didn't see it

[sharp sierra]

ok i climbed back

only 100 more rating

[inner yew]

https://prnt.sc/yuI_4gVrVgoE

@potent pivot getting better?

[potent pivot]

i think so(?)

should use drakebreaker wrists not conquest

and you also bought the crit vers conquest ring?

(idr if you already had those yesterday tbh)

looked at multiple sets of gear

wait no you didn't have the crit ring yesterday

you had the crafted ring which was fine

[inner yew]

It was mastery and I didn't want to have to swap it

got belt and bootxs

[potent pivot]

what was mastery

you should use the vers/mast conq ring and the crafted vers/mast ring

or the mastery conq ring+the haste conq ring

[potent pivot]

this is good tho

[inner yew]

Crafted ring. Got the boots and belt. Noticing big difference at 30% vers lmao

[potent pivot]

ah is the ring embellished

so the boots made you drop it? or

[inner yew]

I still have it. I drop alot of vers for it though

[potent pivot]

that's fine once you're fully geared

once you get a better OH dagger etc

but you def want the mastery conquest ring, not the crit one

[lucid lark]

hard to practice this rotation with a cat on your lap

[potent pivot]

focus on getting the mastery drakebreaker wrist

and the mastery conq ring

and drakebreaker dagger for offhand

the crit ring is a bit of a back step, but you're on the right track

[lucid lark]

Can you recommend a good buy order for hitting 70? I plan on grabbing honor gear, getting infurious immediately and then doing the world pvp weekly

But what conq should I go for do you think?

[potent pivot]

main hand->gear to turn into tier set

those are the first things you want

[lucid lark]

Any pieces I should prioritize for tier?

[potent pivot]

get the infurious helm+boots

[lucid lark]

Probably save helm for last

[potent pivot]

and get every piece except helm

[lucid lark]

Righto

[potent pivot]

you can stick with infurious helm for good

[lucid lark]

Oh true

[potent pivot]

there's like 2 main set ups people are running, and it's been basically an even split

either people run lariat and use tier helm or they run infurious helm and tier gloves etc

you can also buy the signet of titanic insight crafted ring

you can just buy it without emellishment(iirc?) so you have use helm+boots+ring

[lucid lark]

Interesting

[potent pivot]

so get your sparks of ingenuity, trophies of strife quest, and just farm honor/conquest

[lucid lark]

What would you recommend as far as lariat

[potent pivot]

i don't recommend it personally

obviously there's some merit to it since the gear profiles are split 50/50

but it's more effort for, as far as i know, no actual gain

[lucid lark]

Great info, thanks man

[sharp sierra]

any arterial builds?

[rose iris]

What do you do with shadowdance in pvp as outlaw?

[lucid lark]

ambush burst

[rose iris]

so i press it then sit and spam ambush?

[plucky sage]

Yes

[rose iris]

okay cool

[plucky sage]

and finishers

[rose iris]

in adrenaline rush combo?

yes ofc ^^

[plucky sage]

yeah it's more ambushes

dance at higher energy too so you don't have downtime on ambushes

[rose iris]

yeah ty

[sharp sierra]

[rose iris]

So when do i between the eyes and when do i blade rush?

also is killing spree good?

[lucid lark]

BtE when you have a go

[proper heath]

dude the move is called killing spree, it has to be good right?

[sharp sierra]

deathsweep is bugge

every dh ive had today says it

[proper heath]

how is it bugged?

[rose iris]

Do i use blade rush to deal dmg and keep up on my target if they run

[sharp sierra]

it deals more dmg than it should

[proper heath]

damn

[lucid lark]

yes or when cleaving

[sharp sierra]

140k crits on a basic ability is so weird to see

[lucid lark]

you can throw it out on a go

[sharp sierra]

when i barely crit 50k env

[lucid lark]

So non-meta BR is doing meta essence break damage normally?

[sharp sierra]

it seems so

[lucid lark]

sp meta essence BR is like 1 shotting people for 400k?

[sharp sierra]

its so weird to me to see healers in ss not cast healing spells

a war is 1v1ing me below 20% and he's just walking to cc enemy healer

[dense thorn]

crimson vial

we dont need healers

duhhh

[lucid lark]

[sharp sierra]

100k executes

[minor cape]

i thought you bte all the time on primary target no?

also a question

about outlaw

[dense thorn]

with greenwickers

in pve

is the strat yeah

[minor cape]

whats the go on outlaw tho

isnt it always a go

[dense thorn]

no idea.. dont play it, but im assuming you just do your opener from pve so im assuming that

you save your BtE because you want the crit on hte target

im assuming

[lucid lark]

dance ambush with buffs rolling + finishers

but yeah outlaw is more sustain

[minor cape]

also you always reroll everything thats not skulls and crossbones right?

[dense thorn]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

use this

but pretty much

[lucid lark]

I love and hate that WA

[dense thorn]

why you hate it?

[lucid lark]

so annoying but so useful

[dense thorn]

tbh i only really use it for the roll buffs but i could prob disable it and be completely fine

[lucid lark]

i think it's better to get used to to knowing when to SnD and BF yourself, but the RTB bit is gold

[dense thorn]

yeah

but the BF is just a target count

which is nice for some like senneth in PVE

because you dont know when they are in range

[lucid lark]

that's true

[dense thorn]

its like anything though

it holds your hand.. which isnt bad

unlike something like hekili which will hold your hand.. but lead you into moving traffic

[minor cape]

but which buffs am i looking for?

with rtb

[dense thorn]

use that weakaura

itll tell you when to reroll

otherwise skull and crossbones

is BiS

[minor cape]

wouldnt true bearing be the best?

[dense thorn]

Roll the Bones
Use on cooldown if you do not have any RTB buffs, or if you need to reroll based on the conditions below. Don't reroll during Dance or Dreadblades.

The reroll conditions for HO builds:

1. Roll away any single buff that is not Skull and Crossbones.
2. Roll away any 2 buff that contains Grand Melee, except for Skull and Crossbones + Grand Melee.

[dense thorn]

no

you already have restless blades

i have no idea what thepvp build is for outlaw though

[minor cape]

oh right

aight need that wa

seems useful

[dense thorn]

from what i can tell youre basically playing pve build HO

for pvp

[minor cape]

how is that outlaw should be the easiest of the three but breaks my brain the most

🥹

[dense thorn]

outlaw is just hit flashy buttons

[minor cape]

yeah but also keep up the buffs

[dense thorn]

and the rotation is literally

ambush/ps/ambush/ps/ambush/ps

[dense thorn]

is one button like every 45sec in theory

[minor cape]

so in dance you dont spend combo points

?

[dense thorn]

you do

[minor cape]

so ambush - spend - ps - ambush?

[dense thorn]

with the change

its abit dif

but you finish -1 max cp

so if you need to ambush/ps/finish

or ps/ps/finish

depending on procs etc

[minor cape]

i see

rng based

[dense thorn]

hmm abit

[minor cape]

well on sub same shit

if weaponmaster

so yeah

[dense thorn]

it depends though

[minor cape]

or proc from melee

[dense thorn]

sub in pvp isnt very rng

in pve i think it isnt rng either actually

nore is outlaw

its like predicated rng

the only rng of outlaw is the buffs

[minor cape]

true, but sometimes you get much more damage in a go w sub

[dense thorn]

but the rotation doesnt change

which is what i consider rng

[minor cape]

it kinda does

[dense thorn]

damage could crit

[minor cape]

like

[dense thorn]

or not crit etc

[minor cape]

sometimes you get double shadowstrike and can evis

and sometimes you get one shadowstrike

and need to do another onr

which impacts your energy

[dense thorn]

you play tea

[minor cape]

and sometimes you may not get a kidney right after

[dense thorn]

so it doesnt matter though

in sub?

you are guarenteed same combo points

[minor cape]

ye

[dense thorn]

with your opener