@potent pivot sorry for ping, dont wanna waste them after 9.8 hours of this quest
#pvp
dense thorn
potent pivot
yeah, dagger/wrist/belt
whatever your lowest ilvl piece is
but prob dagger first
unless you're replacing an honor piece
potent pivot
yeah or you could get belt now
dense thorn
i dont have the conq
potent pivot
since you have a 418 dagger
dense thorn
for the belt
potent pivot
you buy
dense thorn
oh
dense thorn
is that better?
potent pivot
and iirc there's no vers mast belt from conq
dense thorn
i have hmm
some of both maybe
honestly no idea
can check in 2min
lol
i have vers/mast
potent pivot
you want vers mast on almost every piece possible
dense thorn
some vers/hast
potent pivot
like haste vers conq ring is ok
dense thorn
i have a haste/vers conq ring
and the mast/vers one
haste/vers helm
everything else is mast
except my tier
potent pivot
yeh
warm lance
Atleast its not crit vers like I did
potent pivot
you get all the crit you need and more from tier iirc
potent pivot
oh
yeah you're in lariat
instead of crafted helm
i'd get haste vers cloak prob
from conq
when you can
potent pivot
it won't make much difference either way @dense thorn
as long as you get fully geared it's almost w/e
the top 100 all have small variances in gear
warm lance
Only haste I have is from tier and trinket now. It should ve enough
potent pivot
some are full vers mast, some aren't
dense thorn
it won't make much difference either way <@268843601935597573>
ok nice
will buy belt now
with the bloody tokens
potent pivot
Only haste I have is from tier and trinket now. It should ve enough
i really think we want more haste than everyone seems to think
potent pivot
ye then get your other dagger next week
potent pivot
i actually have 7.88% haste
yeah that's not too bad
if you ever switched lariat for crafted helm and gloves to tier gloves you'd have a smidgen more haste
but you're fine if you don't do that as well
dense thorn
noob
dense thorn
what is your vers?
lucid citrus
is the crafted mast ring better than aspirant mast ring?
waxen meteor
34%
potent pivot
is the crafted mast ring better than aspirant mast ring?
yep..
dense thorn
vers/vers
and mastery thing
not changing the mastery gem
as its so expensive lol
vers on rings
my vers is 28.20%
wtf
in arena
12% hate
haste
oops
jolly sierra
this guy has more crit in assa than everyone in the server
final vessel
Lmao
dense thorn
i have that as 411
got this as sub
should i use the 411 insignia?
over the 424 crit
potent pivot
what are the base stats of your lariat
nova pulsar
Hey guys, is it possible to make rupture debuff icons on enemy targets bigger?
potent pivot
there's the issue as well
potent pivot
Hey guys, is it possible to make rupture debuff icons on enemy targets bigger?
on the default ui i don't think so
dense thorn
should i change it to mastery/vers?
nova pulsar
for plater, i mean
dense thorn
because thats not bad
potent pivot
you need some sort of add on
nova pulsar
sry forgot to mention, im using plater.
dense thorn
waxen meteor
how is it even possible to reach 30% crit 
nova pulsar
all the debuffs appear nicely on enemy hp bars but i wanna make rupture a lil bigger coz its hard to track
jolly sierra
everyone in the server is a noob
potent pivot
because thats not bad
kinda up to you. it's not going to make a huge difference either way
waxen meteor
and how do you have only 28% vers when you have pure vers gem -.-
potent pivot
maybe their pve dagger doesn't have vers
potent pivot
i'd stay conquest badge
dense thorn
should i just get the 421 dagger lol
potent pivot
over honor insignia
waxen meteor
421 equipments are basically free as long as you did the weekly
potent pivot
you'll gain more agility from belt
dense thorn
421 equipments are basically free as long as you did the weekly
i didnt
waxen meteor
RIP
waxen meteor
Great, this week i will start to not do it lol
that quest is long and boring
Glad i don't need thropy anymore
waxen meteor
why not
potent pivot
you're losing more vers on that belt too
dense thorn
i have 625 conq
dense thorn
crit/mast
dense thorn
potent pivot
waxen meteor
btw, it's also confusing to myself why my DH has also only 28% vers
dense thorn
its not my fault
waxen meteor
i literally have all conquer + drake
dense thorn
i have 6% leech
potent pivot
potent pivot
just do it
dense thorn
have you ran the math?
waxen meteor
next week is around the corner
potent pivot
waxen meteor
waxen meteor
You bought the dagger with name of axe?
potent pivot
What about mine
what about it?
inner yew
Anything I should swap?
waxen meteor
Aren’t we taking about a DAGGER
dense thorn
Aren’t we taking about a DAGGER
haha im messing bro.. got that from the world quest
its the shiv right?
potent pivot
https://prnt.sc/HlHeGdlH_ygv
no crafted boots? and any pve gear should be swapped for pvp gear
dense thorn
like no troll now.. its this?
warm lance
Ayy
inner yew
Its worth keeping 4 set right?
inner yew
Not much I can replace to get more vers, other than replacing my ring
dense thorn
but you ideally want pvp ilvl tier set
i have one of those.. id say in 3 more weeks ill be full pvp
warm lance
Even non pvp ilvl is good tho
potent pivot
Not much I can replace to get more vers, other than replacing my ring
i think you're overlooking some stuff
you should be at ~30% vers
warm lance
I still gotta change my shoulders with pvp tier
potent pivot
you're in a pve belt
you don't have crafted pvp boots
you're gemmed mastery
i'm assuming your lariat is pve stats
your OH dagger is pve i think
inner yew
Yeah most of my stuff is setup pve wise
warm lance
Thats alot of gear upgrading to do
potent pivot
yep
inner yew
411 pvp belt would be better than my 421 one?
warm lance
Can get the 421 strife one
potent pivot
meh
warm lance
Well id recommend it anyway
dense thorn
can anyone confirm that sparks drop from pvp?
warm lance
Oh?
warm lance
Ive not done enough arenas to know
dense thorn
just never seen one
ive ran so many
none dropped last week
people getting it from raid/m+ just wondering if anyone has seen one in pvp
or if i need to go run raid or something
dense thorn
nice ha
ill do a 21/22 this week as people have those keys and then im pvping all week
warm lance
And one normal raid. Thats the PvE ive done
dense thorn
how much will changing lariat from mainstat/mast to mainstat/vers be?
potent pivot
not as big as changing the base stats
potent pivot
if you can spare the gold you can get a second one... but you need boots first
warm lance
Fuck PvE just go full pvp prio
dense thorn
^ i took pvp from vault lol
sharp sierra
-300 rating holy fuck 
potent pivot
will change to crit/mast
what
warm lance
Vers mast on lariat
warm lance
You shouldve stopped a while ago raven
potent pivot
dense thorn
im sorry 😦
warm lance
Youre just tilted yourself and spiraling down on your own
warm lance
300rating in 2 days
potent pivot
sharp sierra
You shouldve stopped a while ago raven
i guess so
but i was 50 rating away from duelist goal
and i greeded
dense thorn
still 500 months of season togo
potent pivot
probably only a few more months
dense thorn
still a long time
i think most season are 20-28 weeks
so we have like.. what 12-16 weeks togo?
sharp sierra
gleaming pawn
yeah there is still a lot of season to go before we are done
warm lance
but i was 50 rating away from duelist goal
Now youre 350 away because you let tilt get to you and kept going, ouch
Just take time off for a couple days and climb back up
tame rivet
any news regarding the upgrading of items via catalyst?
warm lance
Idk, check wowhead if theres something
tame rivet
nuffin, they "fixed" something that was already fixed
potent pivot
warm lance
Looks like sweeping strikes
inner yew
With a ret ro comp. Would sub or sin rogue be better?
warm lance
Id assume 90k on 2 ppl
dense thorn
HEY NOTRICKZ
do i want haste/vers on my cloak?
or mast/vers?
😄
yar?
i honestly cant remember if you said to get haste on the cloak lol
potent pivot
i honestly cant remember if you said to get haste on the cloak lol
just go mast
won't make a difference really
dense thorn
ok this is me now
need to recraft the lariat to vers/mast
and get a spark for the boots
and i think im as good as i can be for this week
should go up to over 30% mastery
potent pivot
inner yew
You guys think Sin or Sub rogue would go better with a ret ro comp?
potent pivot
either tbh
final vessel
I find sub better in dps 2's personally.
inner yew
https://prnt.sc/OFGOZdNMyoJ8 is this sub rogue build still decent?
restive tide
Hello everyone, does anyone know of Thug Cleave is a good comp right now? And would you play it with Assa or different spec? ty for any info!
dense thorn
can you attach gladiusex to arena frames in elvui?
or do i have to manually sort this shit out
dense thorn
wtf is the point of this setting if you cant then move them seperately anyway?
is there a shift/modifer im meant to be hitting that i cant figure out
double dps is fun
tribal bay
i was watching that mage mitch play the other day and at like 2.6-2.7k mmr he was using sigil of adaptation over the medallion? got me thinking seeing as its on a 1 min CD overall it could get you out of more trouble than the medallion. What do you guys think?
I mean, it's literally double. But idk, don't ever see anyone else use one of those. Just noticed he was
dense thorn
k
minor cape
about double dps comps
do you think sub arcane is allright since fire mage is not that good rn?
i have like 52 wr with it which isnt that great
what im thinking is would fire be better rn
dense thorn
wtf am i meant todo as an ass rogue, when the monk and war just sit me the entire time.. and literally healer cant do shit about it, only so long i can last getting hit with 100k shots constantly
what a boring fucking game that was
minor cape
wtf am i meant todo as an ass rogue, when the monk and war just sit me the entir...
thats why i didnt like assas
but really you have to dot and run away i think
as you still deal big damage when kiting if you dotted
minor cape
save evasion for when he roots you in place
dense thorn
yh i know
what im saying is
there is only so many buttons
its just kind of boring
minor cape
but ye i almost always focus assas tbh
i think its really squishy you just have to put a dot on him
how do you guys even live on it
dense thorn
also when war on my team
its a race to see how fast they can get to the other side
like...
could try sap mate
dense thorn
how do you guys even live on it
know when to hit shit.. i survived allot but then warrior would just hit me for 100k
and then excute me
so not sure wtf todo there
surreal barn
Morning rogue experts. As sub should I just bank the 4 set and go with conquest in RSS?
potent pivot
Morning rogue experts. As sub should I just bank the 4 set and go with conquest ...
I think most people are yeah. I think it mostly depends exactly how much you’re depending on secret technique.
surreal barn
Heavily in SS
surreal barn
Are you suggesting going down dark brew
potent pivot
You can juice more evis dmg over a match with the tier set, but less tech dmg than usual
Yeah
twin burrow
Dark brew is popular , shadow dust feels amazing but brew is used more? Ithink
surreal barn
Hmmm different playstyle with the empowered finishers
twin burrow
Rupture ticks for 20k
surreal barn
That’s kinda nasty, I’ll try to play with a build when I get back home
Would you take sepsis with the new stealth addition
potent pivot
Nope
plucky sage
How bad would it be to play outlaw in PvP? Am I just gimping myself by playing outlaw?
Seems like everyone is assa or sub
potent pivot
How bad would it be to play outlaw in PvP? Am I just gimping myself by playing o...
You’re not exactly gimping yourself, but it is noticeably weaker than the other two
You can still reach every achievement rating threshold as outlaw
plucky sage
Ok. So not really any advantage over the other specs, but not incapable either
Thanks for the reply
potent pivot
Yeah. Np
sharp sierra
Question - so back in vanilla when i first started playing i was a big pvp’er but since i just came back to wow i obviously got my rogue 70 first and did some dung’s to get all the 343 gear at the very least. But i noticed my backstabs and doom blade are only doing like 5-10k when most people i run into have 300k+ health. Is this normal or is it just because i’m using dungeons gear for right now?
I remember back in TBC playing and ambush and backstabs were hitting for like 20k+ and now i feel like i can barely move a plate wearers health bar
potent pivot
It’s because of your gear
Get full honor pvp gear
Then focus on doing rated pvp for conquest gear
glad zinc
so for the rupture build are you trying to go for empowered rupture on target or its just whatever? after your initial burst
sharp sierra
Okay, thanks.
potent pivot
so for the rupture build are you trying to go for empowered rupture on target or...
I wouldn’t waste extra globals for finality ruptures, they’ll kinda come naturally throughout the game. But you can try to make sure there’s a finality rupture on the target you’re going to burst after the initial opener.
sharp sierra
that's echo combo points i guess?
wintry dew
If you taking about finality, then no
Finality: when you eviscerate/rupture/bp (?), Your next evis/ruptu/bp has a 25(?)% DMG increase
sharp sierra
ah ok
wintry dew
And has tricks said, you'll have a bunch of finality finishers throughout the game to really worry about them
twin burrow
Congratulations , you zugged yourself
wintry dew
Better nerf ret
twin burrow
Irelia
graceful ravine
I remember back in TBC playing and ambush and backstabs were hitting for like 20...
backstab and doomblade are not your main source of damage
all your dmg is within the shadow dance window with shadowstrikes and evis
warm lance
Hol up backstab def wasnt hitting for 20k right
fierce laurel
I saw that in game yesterday. Did it come with the Tuesday patch?
waxen meteor
I remember back in TBC playing and ambush and backstabs were hitting for like 20...
TBC ambush > evis
By a ton in late stage
You honestly don’t need finishers if you have energy
Now it’s way different
Sub is built around finishers
fierce laurel
Didn’t evis not scale with stats until like cata?
waxen meteor
Don’t remember exactly I remember no associated to main hand weapon like todya
But ambush did
fierce laurel
All attacks are a % of agility.
Yeah ambush used to be % of mainhand.
But evis only scaled with crit
waxen meteor
Yeah so at tbc and wlk, ambush just outweights evis by quite a bit in the end
If you are blood elf with energy recover that doesn’t consume global back then, in clutch moment you could skip max CP and did one more ambush
waxen meteor
Yeah
Also this report is for Kiljaden, he dropped a super dagger
Everyone with season4 dagger just got jealous on me
But back then backstab literally had to be casted from behind
If you had some lag, back in that age, it’s more laggy overall
It’s kinda challenging
fierce laurel
Lag was the only reason you could backstab players back then lol.
Just run through them and back and hope for the best
waxen meteor
Jump to back all day!
I feel biggest challenge is when you chased someone
And it could be not even yourself lagging
If the person you chased is laggy, it became really hard to backstab
fierce laurel
It was kind of fun doing the whole combo. Having to move to the front to gouge and back to backstab
waxen meteor
yeah it's quite good memory but i don't want it back now haha
i had my pally alt doing TBC missions on map for levels, all for memory
man, that's miserable
i don't know how i survived from those missions
it's like every mission is sending me to kill 30 random stuffs
I think if i started my pally at BFA mission chains, i should have been lv60 months ago lol
pff, NA is down again???
jolly sierra
alright im resting from rogue for today to be more prepared, will go ret who got 4set too lol
glad zinc
i swear stealth is STILL broken in this game
nothing hits me and i get knocked out
happens randomly in rbgs
fierce laurel
I got knocked out when a warlock summoned their beholder thingy
Wasn’t in combat. Went back into stealth immediately.
glad zinc
yeah something funny is going on
jaunty mirage
i swear stealth is STILL broken in this game
They’ve never gotten it right at any point
Vanish hasn’t worked properly literally ever
The vanish memes go all the way back to vanilla
The current joke in wrath classic is that you play night elf so you can have a working vanish
sharp sierra
backstab and doomblade are not your main source of damage
Damn, i miss the days BS and Ambush provided huge numbers and were where all the burst came from 😞
graceful ravine
have you played wotlk?
bs/ambush feels awful cos its a pally/war/dk meta
you do zero dmg vs plate
- getting kited and cant get behind to stab
yikes
sharp sierra
I played from when wow came out until about a week or 2 before MoP came out. And then took all them years off and just came back like 2 weeks ago lol
fierce laurel
Since they added the 3 second buff to vanish it’s been amazing.
graceful ravine
i get so triggered in tbc/wotlk when vanish breaks instantly
sharp sierra
I haven’t played classic or wotlk classic though. Just been on retail since i’ve got back.
Went right back to my rogue because i loved the stealth and backstab/ambush combos and now it seems like it’s gone 😒
Sub damage come from finishers people say, assa is just bleed dots, and i don’t like combat for pvp 😩
jaunty mirage
bs/ambush feels awful cos its a pally/war/dk meta
its a shame cause wotlk sub playstyle is super fun
but unfortunately hpal and arms war are two of the best classes in the game the entire expac
sharp sierra
Yeah right before wotlk came out i ended up leveling a warrior up. Once i got used to him the shit was easy mode, thought i was just way above average playing a war so it ended up becoming my main until i quit. Then i noticed they were just broken 😂
waxen meteor
bs/ambush feels awful cos its a pally/war/dk meta
Gotta go with some hicc stuff
Thats what i did in real wlk
Wlk s5 and s6 is the time we could use sin without poison route
I actually went physical sin and worked pretty well
In s8 anyone with a shield is extremely difficult
jaunty mirage
assa is good into plate
waxen meteor
You gotta equip a lot of pve stuff
jaunty mirage
problem is that its bad into everything else
sharp sierra
Feel like now is the time i have to think about what char to play, like i said i came back to rogue right when i got back because i loved the BS/ambush play style but now they don’t even feel exciting when they crit lol. Maybe one i get more pvp gear that’ll change.
waxen meteor
You need to have amor pierce
waxen meteor
Feel like now is the time i have to think about what char to play, like i said i...
Yeah get more pvp gear
jaunty mirage
100% arpen isnt until s8
waxen meteor
Feel like now is the time i have to think about what char to play, like i said i...
I am like you, I dropped from mop and came back at SL
SL end of season 4
I picked up DH as my return character because it didn’t exist and I like illidan as rogue back then
sharp sierra
Was SL the xpac before DF? I didn’t even follow xpac order afterwards lol.
waxen meteor
Was SL the xpac before DF? I didn’t even follow xpac order afterwards lol.
Yeah SL season 4 is like a couple of month before DF
sharp sierra
Just knew mop was coming out and i was just running around dalaran in circles jumping for an hour or 2 before i would log off and not have done a thing. 😂
waxen meteor
DH didn’t speak to me in play style in SL, but storyline in region was good so I fished the character to max level but I sort of stopped
Then i did a mage, wasn’t that excited as well
sharp sierra
I was thinking about trying assa out for pvp, but i don’t know i just dint get that fulfilled feeling just trying to keep up with bleed dots. Might try it though.
waxen meteor
Then I did pick up old class rogue and I really for all passion back despite I was playing sub with low gear in s4 which was hard
I think just go get some pvp gear and explore
It’s realllllly easy these days to get pvp gear
sharp sierra
Yeah there was just something about always trying to position behind target and getting backstab crits, running stealth cheap shit again, backstabs and ambush’s. Loves the style.
waxen meteor
Or playing an alt to see which class still speaks to you
sharp sierra
Yeah seems like it. Did 2 random bg’s last night for first time and got 2 pieces of gear. Just grabbed a dagger and trinket.
waxen meteor
Nowadays backstab from behind is still better
Yeah go finish the gear it’s super quick
sharp sierra
Yeah see it does additional 20%
waxen meteor
When you are super under geared, it’s awful
Pvp honor gear is 411 in arena
Normal gear from map lv up is like 300?
sharp sierra
I’ll give it some time. If not i’ll probably just go back to my warrior or lock. Well probably not lock hated the demonology tree back in the day and it seems like that’s #1 now. Arms war was always super fun though.
sharp sierra
Normal gear from map lv up is like 300?
Running dung’s in DF gets you i think 343 ilvl gear.
waxen meteor
Warrior under geared at item lv300 ish is like autodie nowadays in bg
sharp sierra
The pvp gear is just about the same except when you get into pvp it’s over 400
waxen meteor
Yeah but 343 to 411 is a huge jump
sharp sierra
Yeah, i mean my war is only like 40 now i would have to level him. It’d be a lot haha. Only leveled my lock and rogue since i been back
jolly sierra
well u can get the crafteds tho
sharp sierra
Yeah definitely.
jolly sierra
so the jump will be from 398
waxen meteor
At minimum you would get full 411
sharp sierra
well u can get the crafteds tho
Yeah i am trying to get primal chaos’s to get the daggers
jolly sierra
hmm think is better to get a drakebreaker one
waxen meteor
Lv343 character is literally killed on probably 3 gcd
sharp sierra
Think i have 12/17
graceful ravine
Is there catch up system on drakebreaker?
waxen meteor
Don’t think so
jolly sierra
nope
sharp sierra
hmm think is better to get a drakebreaker one
Drakebreaker?
waxen meteor
If you level up on map picking up some crate
jolly sierra
the bloody token ones
sharp sierra
Sorry, sure you saw me say it before but only been back for 2 weeks after a 14 year break lmao.
waxen meteor
You can instantly get some drake gear
My alt DH got bunch of blood coins from crate
Graduate from honor + drake in one day after arriving max level
sharp sierra
I think i got a pair of boots that are a set from a world quest. I think that was the name of them actually.
sharp sierra
Where do i get blood coins?
waxen meteor
Crates and world pvp and some world quest
But mainly crates
Crates nowadays is just based on alliance/horde population on your map
Normally it’s a free crate
Or a Nono
sharp sierra
Yeah the boots i got from a world quest. And then the dagger i just got with honor since i figured it would help with damage.
sharp sierra
Oh okay, didn’t know there was even crafted pvp gear. Yeah maybe i’ll look into that.
waxen meteor
I actually don’t know how much it costs
jolly sierra
the pve ilvl doesn't matter
waxen meteor
Honor is just so easy already
loud sable
any sub player enjoys pvp rn ?
waxen meteor
I do sub 30-40% of time, feel less impact since 10.0.5 but not bad
sharp sierra
any sub player enjoys pvp rn ?
We were just talking about this, well atleast i was haha.
sharp sierra
Yeah the boots i got from a world quest. And then the dagger i just got with hon...
Are the drakebreakers worth getting a 2 set for the vers in pvp?
waxen meteor
Are the drakebreakers worth getting a 2 set for the vers in pvp?
Set bonus doesn’t work in arena and bg
Just in world
sharp sierra
Oh okay. Thanks
fierce laurel
any sub player enjoys pvp rn ?
So much fun rn
loud sable
really? i feel we are going to weaker every patch
fierce laurel
Yeah. Not having a good set sucks but everyone is giving up verse for it so it’s actually causing them to be squishier
I have like 20% dr lol.
raven osprey
ya is there a gear up guide? im sitting on conquest caues i dont know what spots should be conq gear vs 4pc vs daybreakers 😦
potent pivot
ya is there a gear up guide? im sitting on conquest caues i dont know what spots...
I can DM it to you
Should be up later today as well
Or you can just check murlok.io too
sharp sierra
I can DM it to you
Dm me too please
potent pivot
I only have the one for assa written up
Have to finish subs and then outlaws tonight
I should’ve clarified that part my b 
raven osprey
so far i have the legs + shoulders and converted them to tier (also have 1 conq dagger)
sharp sierra
I only have the one for assa written up
That’s fine, i plan to try assa out too even though i don’t really like what i saw of how you play it. But who knows might try it and love it.
potent pivot
so far i have the legs + shoulders and converted them to tier (also have 1 conq...
Are you gearing for assa?
potent pivot
That’s fine, i plan to try assa out too even though i don’t really like what i s...
Kk give me a min
raven osprey
yep ass
potent pivot
Ok one sec
sharp sierra
Kk give me a min
Thanks
spear of bastion into bomb is literally fool proof
there's nothing the enemy can do
loud sable
sec tech not working with echorep right?
raven osprey
another nooby question. If im at 1500 conq - will i earn more? or is that the total amount you can hold
fierce laurel
ya is there a gear up guide? im sitting on conquest caues i dont know what spots...
Typicall conquest gloves. 4 piece. Drake belt and bracers.
raven osprey
great ty all
fierce laurel
Conq mainhand. Drake offhand.
Conq ring. Crafted ring.
Is there a secret to getting primal focuses? I have 7 and have been spamming games above 2400 for a month
sharp sierra
oh cmon
jolly sierra
DUDE REST
graceful ravine
Is there a secret to getting primal focuses? I have 7 and have been spamming gam...
check your boxes?
weird i have 20+ and you played more games than me lol
potent pivot
I think we’re pretty close to it 
At least we don’t delete people with a 200k global
So I don’t think it feels quite as jarring
graceful ravine
@fierce laurel you climbed, very nice
fierce laurel
No more experimenting. Only climb.
graceful ravine
what do you play now?
fierce laurel
Rotten macab gloom acrobat 7cp
graceful ravine
we are the bad guys
fierce laurel
I’m not in this picture.
I wonder if those ferals are just sitting on rating from last week or not.
Thank gosh demo isn’t up there.
sharp sierra
What do you guys think is doing better right now assa or sub? Especially for newer people or people just coming back.
fierce laurel
Sin and it’s not close.
tawny kestrel
we are the bad guys
ye well
assa is the best melee in the game
is what it is
u havent played a shit spec till u play outlaw atm
its so unbelievably awful
tawny kestrel
gg
graceful ravine
hard stuck 1900, barely 50% win rate
sharp sierra
u havent played a shit spec till u play outlaw atm
Yeah i always feel like combat sucked pvp. I like it pve
Damn imma have to try assa now
silent umbra
4pc and being at a higher rating makes a big diff for assa, I think
spark egret
assa is the best melee in the game
silent umbra
Be prepared to be the kill target every round if you’re just staring out. Are you switching from sub? Or just getting started in general? Sub has more tankiness/ survivability
jolly sierra
one guy once said i was a toxic elitist cuz told him outlaw was underperforming compared to assa and sub
spark egret
one guy once said i was a toxic elitist cuz told him outlaw was underperforming ...
Was it a certain green name?
novel karma
Wasn't outlaw pretty good prior to 10.05?
spark egret
sharp sierra
Be prepared to be the kill target every round if you’re just staring out. Are yo...
I’m from vanilla-wotlk. Hit high warlord back in the day on a rogue. But yeah just coming back after around a 14 year break haha
novel karma
Did the 5% hp talent and damage nerfs tip it over to being bad?
sharp sierra
😂❤️
Every year for 14 years i got the itch to come back. Ps5 got boring and said fuck it it’s time.
jolly sierra
Was it a certain green name?
was yellow, idk if is in this chat anymore
potent pivot
Was it a certain green name?
.>?
jolly sierra
lemme see
nova viper
any codes for pvp sub?
spark egret
Purveyor of cancer I ducing UIs
novel karma
Foreverman
spark egret
Foreverfellow
jolly sierra
he is not in the chat anymore F
spark egret
jolly sierra
but called me the shit out for that xd
potent pivot
Remember to DM me that write up when you have a second
I already did
jolly sierra
read from here
sharp sierra
I already did
Maybe sent it to wrong person. I don’t have any DM’s
jolly sierra
@potent pivot do u think hataro is redeeming, like our russian friend?
spark egret
Foreverman
Guy needs to have a bad UI so not to embarrass his raid team.
Imagine if he used his full power
novel karma
It's for the best if he's contained
sharp sierra
NeverMind. It was in requests 🤦🏻♂️
jolly sierra
we are the purgatory here
sharp sierra
So the assa build in the pins will be the best for arena and just random BG’s?
I wanna try assa now
spark egret
<@629463378250956810> do u think hataro is redeeming, like our russian friend?
I'm already reformed
jolly sierra
XDDDDDDDDDDD
jolly sierra
so did u win 6-0 twice?
jolly sierra
but it gave u already
so is fixed, keep playing
when i touched bottom my mmr was fucked up too, but is still fixeable
if u win enough rounds lol
now im trying to exploit the 4set from my pally, grab 1k8 and let it sit till rework
fierce laurel
It evens out on the flip side.
My last 4 games were. 4-1, 5-1, 3-0, 3-0 and I still gained 50, then 22 on those last two games despite going even.
Err. 4-2 and 3-3.
jolly sierra
well the thing is
keep running if u got the streak
graceful ravine
lol damn theres less than 4k outlaw players above 0 rating in shuffle
that means only 4 slots for r1 at this rate
#5000 assa is 1450 rating, estimate 9-10k pop total, 10 ish slots
sharp sierra
boomkins be like
fierce laurel
What’s subs cutoff?
graceful ravine
#5000 is 671 rating, which is pretty low
probably not many more players below that
6-7 slots total
jolly sierra
https://tenor.com/view/flower-gentleman-peachcat-love-cute-gif-21048889
go for the fkn piñata
fierce laurel
Damn. I’m 5th rn. Tempted to sit but I want 3 more focuses.
Maybe I’ll play 3s and 2s for a bit
fierce laurel
But the alternative is playing sin 🤮 or law 🤮🤮
potent pivot
Maybe sent it to wrong person. I don’t have any DM’s
Check message requests maybe? Idk
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> do u think hataro is redeeming, like our russian friend?
I think he can be
jolly sierra
amen
long shore
When do you play arterial precision build?
potent pivot
When do you play arterial precision build?
Into melee cleaves it’s decent, wouldn’t call it mandatory though
long shore
Why are most people switching out of the talent that increases poison proc chance and weapon poison dmg? (Forgot what’s it called)
jolly sierra
is nerfed
potent pivot
Why are most people switching out of the talent that increases poison proc chanc...
Because they’re not super powerful
jolly sierra
at least in dmg
potent pivot
They are fine
None of the choices you have left to make with those talent points are very impactful
long shore
I see whaaz running the talent that makes mutilate deal extra poison dmg
potent pivot
I see whaaz running the talent that makes mutilate deal extra poison dmg
Ye and it’s also a weak talent
Just random preference imo
long shore
Feels weird trying arterial precision, and losing out on bone spike + improved garrote
abstract pollen
does 4 set vault take precedence over conquest gear
and is there an optimal 4 set piece combination?
sharp sierra
4 set is rly good but if you can play good without it you wont need it that much
abstract pollen
i have 3/4 rn with the opportunity to get the 4th but im a LFR baby so im wondering if the lower 385 ilvl is worth the bonus
fierce laurel
and is there an optimal 4 set piece combination?
Conquest gloves.
jolly sierra
try it, im playing w 3/4 full pvp and 1 lfr
in last week i was w 3/4 lfr and was a little of a glass cannon
lime ermine
anyone have a bis list for sin rogue for RBG'S?
potent pivot
and is there an optimal 4 set piece combination?
You either run crafted helm+the rest tier items or you drop gloves
If you’re gearing up right now I would definitely suggest getting the crafted helm and using the other 4 tier slots
raven osprey
i gotta replace my lfr sets with conq converted just gonna take a couple weeks
abstract pollen
If you’re gearing up right now I would definitely suggest getting the crafted he...
awesome thanks, whats the name of the crafted helm?
raven osprey
Infurious Spirit's Hood
potent pivot
awesome thanks, whats the name of the crafted helm?
Infurious Spirit’s Hood yeah
abstract pollen
sweet tyty
potent pivot
You have to use the crafting order system to get it but it’s 424 pvp ilvl
Same as the crafted pvp boots
abstract pollen
i've largely ignored crafting this expansion (as i do every expansion) so im just kinda realizing there's a pvp side of it
potent pivot
The boots are basically mandatory because they have cc reduction on them
abstract pollen
good thing i have more primal chaos than i know what to do with
potent pivot
You need sparks of ingenuity too
abstract pollen
oh cool i havent spent those yet either
spark egret
If you’re gearing up right now I would definitely suggest getting the crafted he...
Why the helm
Isnt gloves shoulders, legs, helm all have vers on them
Chest has mastery crit
sturdy canopy
Why the helm
Right? Plus the crafted neck is better than the PvP neck maxed out is it no?
gaunt trout
SS is getting stressful, been losing more now. I don’t know how to survive against zugzug classes, my evasion and feint can only do so much 😭
tame rivet
SS is getting stressful, been losing more now. I don’t know how to survive again...
wait til you get 19 rating for 5 wins because the system is utter trash
mind you, 19 rating for 5 wins in fucking 980 cr
tame rivet
tight veldt
dude healers that just AFK lobbies are so fucking annoying
tame rivet
bro I'm getting Rating Unchanged with 4 wins in lobbies with higher MMR than mine
the system is trash
tight veldt
Just went 4-2 and gained 50 rating shrug
was in the same boat and i started winning more
tight veldt
wats ur rating, and how many games exactly do you have played?
jolly sierra
1782 w my alt ret, like 55 matches
tight veldt
ig tbf i have a 3-3 where i got +1
jolly sierra
most for me w other chars is rating unchanged
tight veldt
unchanged just means mmr = cr
tight veldt
more wins in a row in +mmr, means more cr gain. just going W - L - W - L isnt gonna do much
vocal surge
oof
jolly sierra
lost like 50 cr now
assa/arms/fury lobby with a 349k hp hpal
the hpal is fkn awful w ret cuz both share abs debuff
sharp sierra
evasion 2 min cd vs bladestorm spear smash
So going to try sin out for pvp tonight. Same thing as pve? Keep garrote and rapture up? And just mutilate for combo points?
tight veldt
Are you proud of me mom and dad!?
jolly sierra
376k average
jolly sierra
at least u aren't mad enough to run w 346k in a zugzug round
vocal surge
Prob
but its still very annoying being kill target
with less HP than everyone else
and not having energy or CPs to deflect attacks
jolly sierra
yeah, that is the cost
tight veldt
do you Exang --> DM? or dm and then exsang? does it mater?
jolly sierra
i need to play w the rog later, just parked it at 1k8 after the long drop
was tiresome af to get back the 300 cr XD
potent pivot
do you Exang --> DM? or dm and then exsang? does it mater?
Always exsang first
tight veldt
Always exsang first
Thank you Master ❤️
potent pivot
So going to try sin out for pvp tonight. Same thing as pve? Keep garrote and rap...
Basically yeah, keep slice n dice up as a lower prio than pve though
waxen meteor
Always exsang first
tbh i don't understand why though
potent pivot
And use bone spike for combo points too
tight veldt
but if you exsang first you dont short deathmark?
wicked rampart
Correct
waxen meteor
Oh i thought it just make things running faster not impacting the total length
waxen meteor
So in term of fix length dot like garrot and rup i got it
i thought deathmark more like a dup effect that won't be shortend by exang
wicked rampart
Deathmark is still a bleed on it's own too, which is why it does get exang'd as well
waxen meteor
Got it
wicked rampart
Im on WAY too good of astreak...
Just don't let the first losing game tilt you and you should be fine
tight veldt
Train dont stop. Improving daily thanks to y'all so appreciate it ❤️
wintry dew
We live, we die, we queu again
tight veldt
60% die apparently though KEKW
wintry dew
Think like this brother, you already reached the 1600 milestone
Almost 1800
If you stop at 1740, it's the same as being 1600
rugged yacht
using the recommended build in the pins, whats the general burst rotation for go's for assass?
tight veldt
using the recommended build in the pins, whats the general burst rotation for go...
Exsang --> MFD --> Kidney --> DM --> ER --> Envenom Spam i think?
ends in kill usually if healer goes full monkey and trinkets before you do it
rugged yacht
hmmm so no garrot or rup?
tight veldt
blind --> vanish --> sap the healer
well Rup and garrot should be on target 100% anyways
rugged yacht
right ok
tight veldt
ig if you wanna get technical it would be Mut --> garrote --> Rup --> Exsang --> MFD Kidney --> DM --> ER --> shiv --> envenom spam
rugged yacht
wait the pinned build doesn't use exang
rugged yacht
so i guess just remove ur exsang step
rugged yacht
instead of exsang i would assume
so Mut --> garrote --> Rup --> shiv --> MFD Kidney --> DM --> ER --> shiv --> envenom spam
tight veldt
no shiv after DM
i think.
One of the big-brain lads will know better im just a 1700 andy
rugged yacht
npnp
sharp sierra
I have been interested in learning rogue for pvp. Not sure which spec to start learning on. Is Assassination ok for a beginner?
twin burrow
i shall today go for legend. wml
34/100
may there be no dwarves or dragons
if i come back crying you know why
potent pivot
I have been interested in learning rogue for pvp. Not sure which spec to start l...
Yeah I mean it’s a bit of a subjective thing
waxen meteor
one outlaw one sub lol
potent pivot
You may find one spec easier than someone else
But generally for pvp I’d say outlaw has the lowest skill floor, but also has the highest skill ceiling
Assa is more of a mid range floor/ceiling
tight veldt
fucking zugzug lobby
potent pivot
And sub is probably the more difficult spec, typically
@sharp sierra did you find my message?
sharp sierra
<@456226577798135808> did you find my message?
Yes, it was in requests 🤦🏻♂️ lol, thank you.
final kite
Can you grapple out of spear of bastion? It seems like evasion and cloak don't negate the damage.
gusty grotto
hey guys, complete noob to pvp, what trinkets do we take?
final kite
Are you a human?
gusty grotto
Are you a human?
nop, belf
final kite
medallion and on use is generally what most people take
if you do solo shuffle maybe battlemasters so you don't get nuked
potent pivot
hey guys, complete noob to pvp, what trinkets do we take?
What spec are you playing?
potent pivot
Can you grapple out of spear of bastion? It seems like evasion and cloak don't n...
It’s a Physical ability now
Not Magic like in SL
gusty grotto
What spec are you playing?
I main outlaw in pve, and saw that u said its the lowest skill floor
so outlaw
potent pivot
Outlaw runs Medallion and Insignia
coarse stone
Wtb weapon chains
potent pivot
And you can use Emblem for an extra defensive if you want to as well, in place of Insignia
gusty grotto
pvp is so weird man x)
I really cant tell whats going on, cant remember what to press 😛
spring bough
get gladius most def for DR tracking and all that jazz. maybe a pvp plater profile too to see what is active
final kite
outlaw pvp building and spending is almost the same as pve afaik
final kite
for just a fkn lua error from a new UI
he was talking to carrot but why not get something new 🙂
final kite
disable elvui
potent pivot
:/
final kite
an delete it
jolly sierra
elvui is a fkn shit
i won't use it
cheched the error
is dinamiccam when it hides my UI
that guy owes me 200 cr
with my ret
potent pivot
waxen meteor
lol my ult run into same outlaw rogue in 2 solo in a row
spring bough
happened to me last week 2110 to like 1650 in just a couple DCs
and a shit round lol
jolly sierra
hope this time i get a decent round and doesnt fuck up my UI
twin burrow
so
u can parry from behind?
and dodge?
I have video showing dismantles and kidneys with my step verses die by the sword and fist of fury
and i went 0-6 because every go i couldnt stun and every defensive i couldnt stop
im p sure parrys and dodges cant be done with ur back turned? is this bugged?
worthy crag
You probably had high latency and had a delay between step and stun
parry from behind is impossible and the only dodge from behind is from a dh(blur and darkness)
twin burrow
No shot. I'll show clips
wintry dew
man
that moment both me and my ret friend queu solo for a skirmish
and we get into a 1v1
LOL
so we just waiting for damp to get to 99
bold bison
has anyone had any luck with an arterial precision build? I thought it would be giga but I don't see ppl playing it
dense thorn
you were simply zug zuged
zug zuggg go brr
first time ever doing 3s
not solo or w.e
went 8games, 7 wins
not bad lol
this gets me into groups
waxen meteor
this gets me into groups
very logical!
sharp sierra
this gets me into groups
You a philosopher?
jolly sierra
people die if they are killed
sharp sierra
cheat death
Jesus Christ my mind just keeps getting blown
jolly sierra
death got ntred
uneven grove
