pvp

[sharp sierra]

4 set tomorrow

kinda lame

[graceful ravine]

sky is falling

rogues nerfed!!!

[waxen meteor]

another mod call

[fierce laurel]

Does this auto equip if you hit it out of combat?

[graceful ravine]

yo on the bright side... with all the fotm rerollers, more rogue pop = more r1 slots!

[waxen meteor]

Man you guys describe sin as so OP with 4 set

i am gonna feel it today

if i press the wrong buttn and exchange wrong piece i will quit

[sharp sierra]

it probably is

[graceful ravine]

dont think so

[tight veldt]

ill feel it with non-pve 4set too

[waxen meteor]

for non 4 set, there's not much difference compared to weeks ago, we gain 1 additional talent point that's it

unless all people took the AP route, which doesn't seem to be real

[idle field]

AP is a myth

the execute bleeds with the +20% dam on the 4 piece is real though

only way to take AP is to lose shroud which feels bad

[waxen meteor]

yeah taking 2 points in execute bleed can be an good option

[tacit crane]

Damn, last maintenance was 7 hours and now there's another 4 hours of maintenance

[idle field]

shiv rework is a heavy load

[twin burrow]

every patch day I am convinced they just eat the spaghetti from the spaghetti sauce code , and it slowly fixes the system. Actually 5head if you think about it

the ele sham designer provides the meatballs, clearly

[waxen meteor]

tbh i don't understand how wow is doing maintenance at day time

it's like work hours for online games during 90s

but whatever

[fierce laurel]

Because that’s when people work in California?

[waxen meteor]

with non CA salary

ngl, blizzard salary is...

[twin burrow]

did you guys know Arizona the state has its own time zone

prolly annoying af if ur a gamer

[worthy forge]

Damn numbing poison nerf

I guess venruki ended up complaining too much about it

[fiery relic]

Only for half the year. It's because they don't do daylight savings

[fiery relic]

Numbing was already nerfed they just forgot to nerf the application from shiv alongside it

[sick moth]

can someone explain to me the difference between target arena 1 vs focus arena 1? and are you using both?

[jaunty mirage]

tbf its a dumb concept to begin with

[uneven grove]

cdew leading the cringe

nah i cry here aswell, assa should be nerfed

and adjusted

give back fcking vendetta holy fck

deathmark is so fcking awful, everyone spent his life savings to go dwarf

[fierce laurel]

Death mark even exacerbates the 4 piece overturning.

[potent pivot]

One of them targets arena frame 1 and one of them makes arena frame 1 your focus target

You can target someone and also have a secondary target(focus target)

[uneven grove]

4pc is so fcking overtuned, plus these set bonuses are boring as hell

+20% damage, wow it will alter my gameplay so hard

[idle field]

only arena 1-2-3 macro I just is for shadowstep / gouge / disarm. Rest is just focus which probably isn't optimal but buttons are a precious resource

[jaunty mirage]

yeah tbh any rogue arguing assa doesnt need nerfs is kentucky fried

4pc is even dumber than the pre-nerf SL 4pc was

[idle field]

I could take a shiv healing reduction nerf in stride

[jaunty mirage]

at least SL 4pc was only dumb when you used major cds

DF 4pc is just dumb passively all the time

[jaunty mirage]

tbh the spec itself is still squishy

they could just nerf 4pc heavily, maybe nerf numbing one more time, and potentially call it a day

assa was just solid A/A+ tier until people started getting 4pc

[idle field]

I feel like taking a look at DRs would do a lot better for balance than nerfing damage. A lot of classes can pump, rogues just have a lot of CC on top of it

put sap on the blind DR

[jaunty mirage]

that could potentially bone sub too much but idk

[idle field]

sub needs a total rework imo

[jaunty mirage]

assa is just a damage spec

[idle field]

personal opinion

[jaunty mirage]

at this point probably yeah

tbh sometimes i feel like they should just say fuck it and make every spec like ele

[idle field]

long games your bottom damage by a lot and it's all just set up and trolling for kills on ST CD. Needs more sustain

[jaunty mirage]

take the mop approach and make every spec super fun and a little busted

[idle field]

I'd take a ST damage nerf if I could do something between goes

[jaunty mirage]

feels like they are part of the way there already but not wanting to commit

[fierce laurel]

Yeah. Arenas should just be the ready room. And there’s a target dummy there. And whoever does the most damage to their dummy in 2 mins just wins.

[jaunty mirage]

i mean thats not what im saying haha

[jaunty mirage]

sub is always going to be hard to balance

it suffers from the same thing MM hunter does

[idle field]

Its my fav spec, but cant play that when sin is just insane

[jaunty mirage]

those damage profiles are just hard to balance without making the spec either wildly oppressive or kinda shit

when those two specs are good everyone hates it, prob why they end up getting nerfed

[idle field]

15% more energy somehow would do a lot without making it crazy

[jaunty mirage]

you cant really play the game, and then you die in sub-2 seconds

also think pure burst classes are maybe a bit outdated in the current game but idk

like how are you supposed to balance MM hunter

its a caster but you cant kick them

if you give them enough burst to kill regularly then you end up with SL season 1

but if they dont then they just suck because its not designed to be a sustain damage spec

[waxen meteor]

mop is fun?

lol

[hard compass]

i agree assa needs nerfing, there's stupid OP every patch but i've never seen a spec get flamed so hard in arena as assa rn

[jaunty mirage]

the actual classes were all pretty fun to play yeah

not speaking on the expac itself

just the design approach for actual gameplay

[waxen meteor]

i don't know, when classes become identical, there's less fun to play. I quit at beginning versions of mop so i can't really comment that too much

but i did see too much identical things between classes starting from cata, seems harder at MOP, that's when game started to be super boring to me

[sharp sierra]

any lariat recrafters?

[waxen meteor]

and designers interview seemed to show they were proud of the identical or equalized settings, so i said bye to wow till SL season 4

I was actually quite happy when i came back at SL and saw all classes differences

[uneven grove]

they won't adjust it that's the problem

DM will be dispellable easily

all damage is just dots

[jolly sierra]

BM, arcane, DH

the dmg was absurd af

and unkiteable

was in blade edge too

[wintry dew]

Any MFD - KS macros?

[wintry dew]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

Ello

Sec

[wintry dew]

My macro does not work

[potent pivot]

#showtooltip Marked for Death
/cast Marked for Death
/cast Kidney Shot

[wintry dew]

i get put in combat therefore as soon as im near the target i start autoattacking

this macro was for opener from stealth

it works fine in combat

[tight veldt]

Add /stopattack after the mark maybe

But you shouldn’t be in combat and autoing from MFD #

[wintry dew]

also didnt work

[potent pivot]

You start combat before getting the kidney off?

[wintry dew]

no

i mean yes

[tight veldt]

are you right clicking to target?

[potent pivot]

That’s odd

[wintry dew]

im not

im testing it with a friend

i press the macro once, not even using my mouse

[tight veldt]

Put stopattack at the top maybe

[wintry dew]

i get near him

i start AAing

[fierce laurel]

Before you hit any buttons?

[wintry dew]

Imagine this scenario: Im stealth

i press

i press it once

as soon as i press it, i start AA

[fierce laurel]

Yes. Attempting to kidney shot turns on auto attack im pretty sure.

[wintry dew]

HMMM

LET ME CHECK THAT

yep

kidney puts me in attack mode

[worthy widget]

this shit normal?

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[fierce laurel]

But you can mfd up to 15 seconds before you kidney so the macro isn’t an amazing idea

[potent pivot]

It counts as an attack

[wintry dew]

Its for arena openings, i thought it would be easier

[potent pivot]

Ui bug

[wintry dew]

as in: sap healer, MACRO a dps

instead of pressing MDF and then kidney

[potent pivot]

Just add stopattack to the end

And you can mfd early while out of range

[fierce laurel]

You should keep mfd off the macro for all the other times you’ll use it.

[potent pivot]

Yeah you can have an mfd bind

And also have the macro

[wintry dew]

i do have

exacty

but out of stealth my kidney is in 1

in stealth it was 5

xD

keybind 1 and 5

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

ugh, im getting roasted in a moment

[tight veldt]

ohhh yes you are

its okay

my rupture is like that for sub

[potent pivot]

Lol why

[tight veldt]

rupture = 2 out of stealth. 6 in stealth

[tight veldt]

oh god its worse than i thought

[potent pivot]

Binds are personal preference

[tight veldt]

@potent pivot will you roast my keybinds when servers come up?

I want to be good rogue 😦

[potent pivot]

[wintry dew]

Keybind wise im gucci, pretty much everything in those 3 bars are keybinded

[tight veldt]

Sorry I cant hear you over SnD /Envenom keybind switching to SnD /Gouge

[wintry dew]

but i got super used to MDF in ctrl + side mouse button

due to pve

[waxen meteor]

WoW should allow keybaord settings like a+b not just control + a etc.

like king of fighters

that will save a lot of buttns

[potent pivot]

You can set up hot keys

[waxen meteor]

For real?

Like keyboard A+S = skill 1, A+D = skil 2?

[potent pivot]

I guess it might depend on your keyboard software, I’m not sure if windows has support for stuff like that

[tight veldt]

Fuck I need to setup virtual keys for my gaming mouse

[potent pivot]

But iirc you should be able to make the combo of any A+B act as if it were actually shift+x

[tight veldt]

I have a scimitar 12 button mouse, and I’d love to be able to use 1-12 on mouse AND 1-6 in keyboard

[potent pivot]

It’s just a little unnecessary I feel

Your pinky is usually free for Shift etc

Or thumb for Alt

[tight veldt]

I’ll show my binds when I login

I guess I need to add Ctrl + Q, etc and alt+Q

I just mainly need shadowstep macros, focus blind macros, etc

Cuz rn I’m tab-targeting or click targeting for it

[pliant spoke]

i feel like i have so many keybinds now, i cant keep adding more

[sharp sierra]

how does that even happen

lfr moment

[jolly sierra]

u let him cast

[tight veldt]

Just line it

[jolly sierra]

he stacked all the dmg when u had the mark and u died

btw healers never dispell that anyways xdd

[lucid lark]

https://twitter.com/Mvqdh/status/1619828873952370688

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

Why does Deathmark duplicate Wound Poison? Seems a little much. Shiv + Double Wound during your burst.. @WarcraftDevs

Twitter · Jan 29, 2023, 10:44 PM

Can we talk about this rq

Does wound double stack in DM?? Like MS+MS

Or does shiv hemotoxin overwrite it

I can't find a definitive answer on if all of the MS effects stack, and wound doubles

Bc it would just accept the most powerful MS effect

[wise breach]

Double Wound does stack, but it appears to be applying the two stacks separately so it's 43% rather than 48%

[tawny kestrel]

jax has a tweet about it

the 2nd wound poison stacks with shiv

[lucid lark]

can you link?

[tawny kestrel]

not both of them

https://twitter.com/jaxirl/status/1620160524540608512

jax (@jaxirl)

Deathmark duplicated wound stacks with shiv

Shiv disables wound poison leaving only 35% reduction from shiv active normally.

During Deathmark only one wound is disabled, the duplicated wound is enabled and so is shiv
causing 24% + 35% healing reduction

Twitter · Jan 30, 2023, 8:42 PM

[wise breach]

Yeah I linked that yesterday, but I'm not convinced that's entirely true based on some testing yesterday

I need to test in more detail

[jolly sierra]

psyfiend is inmune to bone spike

fuck it

[tawny kestrel]

pretty sure it isnt immune?

initial damage should work

cannot be dotted tho that is true

[jolly sierra]

no

the motherfucker

is exploiting power word shield w it

[tawny kestrel]

exploiting?

[tight veldt]

ohhh thats big brain

PW:S the psyfiend so you cant insta kill it

[tawny kestrel]

ye every1 does that?

not an exploit

[jolly sierra]

1st time i see that

tbh

[tight veldt]

Certainly no priests i play against but im just a lowly noob rogue trying to get better 😦

[fierce laurel]

Was maintenance extended or is it 20 mins away?

[graceful ravine]

dots dont work on psyfiend?

[fierce laurel]

Or totems

[wintry dew]

I'd love to have my frames and letters smooth like that damn it 😄

[fierce laurel]

Actually I don’t think even find weekness works on totems

[lucid lark]

I'm seeing conflicting information about that Jax post

[lusty heath]

hey guys, are the catalyst charges safed so i can use two charges tomorrow if i dont use them today? (im eu)

it reads like that

[lucid lark]

That it's a visual bug and no MS is stacked, just the strongest effect

[jolly sierra]

i fucking hate that kind of rounds

[wintry dew]

you can have up to... 6? charges i believe

it does cap out at 6 or 8, not sure about the exact number

[lusty heath]

but i can use those charges whenever i want without restrictions right? so i dont have to spend my charge today and can use two tomorrow?

[wintry dew]

yes

[lusty heath]

ok thanks mate

[tight veldt]

SHES ALIVEEEE

[wintry dew]

who?

[tight veldt]

Na servers lol

[hard compass]

is there no 2.4 title for ss?

elite title

[wise breach]

There is, the elite rogue

And then Legend for winning 100 rounds above 2.4

[hard compass]

there's no criteria besides 2.4k for elite rogue, right? not like legend needs the wins

[wise breach]

Right

[idle field]

pro tip - dont log out near the vault lol

[hard compass]

ah had to relog for the title, thanks @wise breach

weirdly havent got my duelist achievement stil lth

tho

[tight veldt]

whats enchant consensus? keep seeing 1 sophic 1 earthen, and dual sophic

[fiery relic]

Hoo fucking ray. 7 weeks in and still only ONE PIECE OF TIER IN MY VAULT TOTAL

Love this fuckin system

[waxen meteor]

RIP

[worthy crag]

im with you there

[fiery relic]

Literally full vault every week and I still don't have my 4 piece

[lusty heath]

not skilled enough

sorry

[fiery relic]

What a bullshit system

[worthy crag]

Have you tried lining the RNG?

[waxen meteor]

I got 2 from vault tbh I thoguht I had good luck

But it reads like everyone and their mother had 4 last week

[fiery relic]

Now I won't be able to get it until next week

[waxen meteor]

And even in solo I saw almost everyone had the set as well..

[fiery relic]

Super awesome

Can't wait for it to get nerfed before I even get it

[waxen meteor]

I didn’t pay attention for the item level

Maybe people got it from pve or sth

[fiery relic]

I don't do pve and I shouldn't have to to get BiS PVP gear

[waxen meteor]

In theory you are not slow

it’s just others too fast

[fiery relic]

Yeah feels great pvping with a literal handicap

[tight veldt]

play sub ur always handicapped then

what are people using for combat text?

its a common one i see that looks like the default its just... cleaner

[fierce laurel]

Woop. Done with my sockets this tier.

😭

[waxen meteor]

Homies what’s the best way to finish catalyst mission again?

World boss for 20%

What about remainder?

[tight veldt]

im just doing skirmishes

10% per win

[waxen meteor]

Alt gets a tier set

but a tier set already had-.-

[warm lance]

I just started full sending it in these last 2 games ive playd and both have been 5-1

[tardy jasper]

Are people playing sub or sin for RBGs atm? Feel like sin pumps on tanks but doesn’t defend flags as good. So maybe depends on map?

[hard compass]

I believe its sub for base maps, sin for flag maps

but i dont rbg atm

[tardy jasper]

Yeah that makes sense to me

[tight veldt]

i do RBGs plenty, def Sub for base, sin for flag

ive easily solo'd some guardians that mistakenly trinket into a kidney + dm + shiv

[jolly sierra]

i've lost almost every match today

dunno why, i was going so weel yesterday 😦

[graceful ravine]

more ppl getting 4pc

everybodys dmg going higher

[jolly sierra]

im in eu

[graceful ravine]

F

[waxen meteor]

Still need to accomplish the 100% mission

i feel quickest way is to do 2s?

with dps

[coarse stone]

Is legend title bugged ? Im getting progress even below 2.4 rating

[hard compass]

are you 2.4k in another spec?

[warm lance]

If youve got it on another spec you gain wins for it on others

For some reason

[coarse stone]

Nah same spec

[hard compass]

weird

[warm lance]

weird

[coarse stone]

Heard they fixed spec swap

[deep kiln]

which pieces should i upgrade to tier via catalyst? im very unlucky havent gotten any from vault

[warm lance]

All but helmet if you use crafted helmet, if you get crafted ring then all but gloves

[deep kiln]

is 2set even worth?

[warm lance]

Outlaw and sub use 2set, assa kinda doesnt benefit from it but 4set is amazing

[deep kiln]

yeah assa 2set seems, meh

4set is broken of course

[winged sentinel]

Just got 4set, bleeds go brrrrrr

[jolly sierra]

cmon i need a melee cleave lobby

[waxen meteor]

How did you finish 100% mission so fast...

help..

[deep kiln]

Where do people have their portrait/target? I'm trying to simplify and clean up my UI. Where's your combo points?\

[fierce laurel]

Combo points on nameplates.

[graceful ravine]

u guys dont memorize your cp in your head?

[tight veldt]

I do the mut crit math in my head and then add it to my memorized cps

[deep kiln]

very cool, guess I'm too smoothbrain, darn

[winged sentinel]

i didnt, sorry, got it from vault 😛

[waxen meteor]

[winged sentinel]

i use a weakaura that puts my combo points in the center of my screen

like by where cast bar is

personal resource display area ish

[deep kiln]

yeah i tried that, didnt like it, but now im gonna retry it now that i have my keybinds more memorized

[sick moth]

do any of you have multiple accounts? if so why?

[mellow plume]

no tier set this week rip

was hoping to get it before assa gets nerfed

[minor cape]

how is outlaw doing in solo shuffle?

just tried it out on a dummy thought that abilities are pretty cool

but i parse higher on sub somehow

even in sustained

🤔

i have a mastery build tho

[waxen meteor]

does 5H count for catalyst mission %?

[tight veldt]

pog catalyst donzo

omfg i have had a ilvl 408 drakebreaker chest for WEEKS and i thought it was 424...

fucking misleading purple icon

[minor cape]

why no 4 set

on sub?

[winged sentinel]

im guessing the secondary stats arent worth the set bonus

thats typically the logic behind not using tier

but idk sub specifically

or law

😛

[spark egret]

I swear to god

since this healer change

every healer

is so fucking bad

[warm lance]

Where did I say no 4set on sub?

[spark egret]

I literally just lost 2 rounds cause I didnt get healed, and then one round the priest yeeted me away from the kill

and saved their shaman

[minor cape]

im misunderstanding then

[spark egret]

actual brain damage

[minor cape]

i think they kinda overbuffed disc priest

[hard compass]

lmao I had a priest grip me mid burst earlier, and a dh stop mid-burst, to cross map and break my blind on their healer randomly. SS is fucked

[minor cape]

he both heals good AND can burst 🤔

[worthy crag]

So what gives credit to revival catalyst besides the world boss?

[minor cape]

me dh me see target me kill ooga booga

[graceful ravine]

each arena is 10%

[minor cape]

y

you can do like 10 skirmishes and win all of them

and thats it

[worthy crag]

o ok

[sweet dove]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery

[worthy crag]

solo shuffle as well?

[minor cape]

not sure if it only gives 10%

for each 4+ shuffle

or no

but skirmishes is fastest to me tbh

[graceful ravine]

i heard 1 game of shuffle(6 rds) only give 10%

not confirmed tho

[spark egret]

HUHHH

LMFAO

IT ENDED

CAUSE NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS

WHAT THE FUCK

BLIZZARD?

HELLO?!

[minor cape]

shuffle moment

so dudes who play outlaw

please share your experience

is it trash in shuffle?

and is it trash in 2v2 with healer?

[tight veldt]

oh good stealth is bugged more

[fierce laurel]

A solo shuffle with 6 dps and 4 healers would be 120 rounds to get all the combos.

[jolly sierra]

boy im getting hard thrashed today

yesterday i was winning everything

[potent pivot]

It’s good in 2s with a healer

And decent in 3v3

[graceful ravine]

its the weakest spec out of the 3

[potent pivot]

It’s not horrible in shuffle either but you gotta be pretty good with outlaw to get far

[graceful ravine]

you will have to try harder to win

[potent pivot]

Nahj is like 3k in shuffle with outlaw iirc

[tight veldt]

according to Nahj, outlaw feels more like sub than outlaw

[potent pivot]

But there’s not many outlaw that high or even close

[graceful ravine]

i dont like shadow dance on outlaw

[potent pivot]

Nahj doesn’t even have tier set

And is 3k on outlaw

[graceful ravine]

we're the same rating

but hes carried by skill

and im carried by OP class 😄

[minor cape]

we play mage rogue w my friend and i play sub, but he wanted to try playing as a healer

and i refuse to play assas

so do you think disc priest + outlaw rogue would be a good combo?

[graceful ravine]

youre griefing yourself tbh

playing a B+ tier spec vs S

[minor cape]

ahh i just dont enjoy gameplay of assas

[lusty heath]

like guys

assa in a caster lobby is like gift from god itself

[minor cape]

but i mean outlaw would be for sure better w a healer

than sub

[minor cape]

for casters?

[graceful ravine]

for assa

[lusty heath]

for assa

[minor cape]

🤔

[lusty heath]

melee cleave = dead rogue

casters = dead casters

[minor cape]

yeah true

but it depends doesnt it

which casters

isnt a shaman a gift for any rogue

[lusty heath]

it was ele/arcane/devker

[minor cape]

oh yeah for sure then

[lusty heath]

ele and devoker werent happy

[minor cape]

i think mage and shadow priest are pretty good

vs rog

or am i wrong

[potent pivot]

Not really

[minor cape]

i mean griefing yourself is playing a spec you don't enjoy just cause it's op

[potent pivot]

Throwing specs into tiers is drastically disproportionate to how the game actually works

Certain comps hard counter certain comps, etc

[hard compass]

confirmed, swapping spec at 2.4k no longer gives prog towards legend

[gleaming pawn]

With the damage Disc is capable of now, Sub/Disc could do well with some practice and lining up your burst

[graceful ravine]

personally i dont like losing so i naturally play the best specs

[minor cape]

oh shit

you're right

[graceful ravine]

playing outlaw was frustrating bc everytime i lose, i knew i wouldve destroyed the other team if i was assa

[potent pivot]

I think that’s something that’s inherently wrong with the wow community

[minor cape]

when i was playing assas i felt like i could do more as sub because i can burst very quickly when i need to

and also i was dying more

[potent pivot]

It’s understandable to a point, but you can always get better

[minor cape]

but maybe assas skill issue

[graceful ravine]

i played 200+ shuffle games as outlaw and it was the most frustrating experience so far in DF

getting outcleaved by everybody and their moms

[potent pivot]

But if it’s frustrating you then I can understand it

[graceful ravine]

then getting nerfed cos of pve

[minor cape]

i know assas outperforms sub in all the ways but its not for me

[lusty heath]

should i try to get last vault and farm 2500 more honor? seems like a huge pain

before reset

[minor cape]

dude i still dont know why they buffed sub in pve and nerfed in pvp

the shadowdust i mean

like what

should be the other way around

[potent pivot]

I just feel that if there’s players of each spec reaching 3k+ then it’s not necessarily something wrong with the specs

[graceful ravine]

lmao i barely have a 50% win rate

[potent pivot]

Obviously the tuning is a bit out of whack rn

But it’s still possible

[graceful ravine]

thats anecdotal

you shouldnt look at the 0.0001% of the pop and corelate that to the majority

[minor cape]

i played 500 shuffle games as sub, reached like 1750 then went to 1500

also like 51% wr

but its my first month playing wow so still learning yeah

[potent pivot]

It’s about what’s possible

[minor cape]

[graceful ravine]

theres 3k player in every spec - does this mean theres nothing wrong with any of the specs and wow is perfect?

[minor cape]

well not in every spec

[potent pivot]

I literally just stated otherwise

[graceful ravine]

or is it just because there will be ultra-die hard fans of each spec that will play it regardless of performance

[dire sun]

Does raptures damage scale to 7 if i use the blue combo point on it?

[potent pivot]

It’s because it’s possible to reach that rating with that spec period

[graceful ravine]

possible and optimal are different things,

everything in life is possible

[potent pivot]

Irregardless of the balance

[graceful ravine]

doesnt mean it should be done

[potent pivot]

It means it could be

You don’t have to that’s obvious

[graceful ravine]

winning the lottery is possible, but its not something you should strive for or set as a goal

[potent pivot]

But I don’t think everyone should blame the spec

[minor cape]

btw about er and secret tech. You know howdeeper strat also gives 5% damage boost to your finishers

so like

with blue point you dont get that?

[potent pivot]

You do

Not the extra 5

Just the combo point scaling

[tight veldt]

stech will only ever do 5 cp worth of damage

[spark egret]

i ahte shuffle

[tight veldt]

er 6 sorry

[spark egret]

this is shit

get me out

[potent pivot]

[spark egret]

holy fuck

[tight veldt]

i have 6 cp, Stech scales off 6 cp, but it does not benefit from er

[minor cape]

no wait

it does spend blue point

but it will only scale to 6 if you run 6cp?

[tight veldt]

It spends it, does not get the 7 cps

[potent pivot]

That sounds like a bug if it’s true

[tight veldt]

notricks probaly knows better

[potent pivot]

This is the first I’m hearing of it

[tight veldt]

but i am positive blizz stated that Stech did not scale off er

[spark egret]

holy shit

i cant play

this game today

[potent pivot]

Where did they say that

[spark egret]

all the shitters

are online todya

[minor cape]

i noticed it does deal less damage when i run 6 point build

but im pretty sure its 5% thing

on blue point i mean

[tight veldt]

Let me see if i could find it. Stech was the ability i SWEAR they nerfed and said Stech couldnt consume the ER points (or itll consume it, but not do the damage)

[spark egret]

fucking going 0-6

cause some dumb fucks just keep falling over

game is not playable on reset

holy fuck

[potent pivot]

Is this your first time playing since the last healer change

[minor cape]

it does consume AND work

i dont get it

[spark egret]

no

I dont think so

but hoyl fuck

man today is miserable

[minor cape]

you are saying it will act like you spent 6 instead of 7?

on blue point

or wha

need to test this

[spark egret]

im gonna get banned

if I queue today

just train healers

[tight veldt]

Im trying to find where i saw it

im saying what i recall seeing was that if you ER --> Stech, you will only gain benefit of 6 CPs, not the 7th.

I very well may be horribly wrong because now i cant find it

[minor cape]

with that dark brew pinned thing

i managed to do like 210k

secret tech

but im not sure if it's just macabre

🤔

[spark egret]

yeah solo shuffle is now unplayable

[tight veldt]

test Stech with no Mcabre

like JUST ER-> SS -> Tech

[minor cape]

not on pc rn

😦

i did try just like

[spark egret]

DUDE

[jaunty osprey]

Pog my alt rogue w full blue gear

[minor cape]

buffs - er - st

it dealt usual secret tech damage

minus 5%

[spark egret]

bro

what is this shit

blizz fucking ruined the game

[tight veldt]

no idea all ive seen is you bitching /spaming wtf is this for the last 10 minutes.

zero context. Cant help

[minor cape]

gj gj

[tight veldt]

Dad?

[spark egret]

healers today are GIGA trash

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah i learned to never play tuesdays or mondays lol

[spark egret]

literally just watched an arms warrior fall over

cause the healer couldnt do anything

[jaunty osprey]

I drop rating every week on my main on Tues and Mon

cause ppl flop

[spark egret]

yeah I cant play today

not queueing anymore after this

this is shit

[minor cape]

easiest queues are on weekends

for me

[warm lance]

lmao

977 mmr

[minor cape]

this man got a glimpse of elo hell

[spark egret]

yeah fuck all this

healers literally mega dogshit today

this game isnt playable atm

[minor cape]

stop being so salty

[tight veldt]

sounds like free sub wins to me

[minor cape]

fax

[spark egret]

logging

fcukkkk tghat

[minor cape]

once got into a lobby with two prot paladings

easiest sub 6-0 in my life

[spark egret]

yeah if I queue into dobule prot

I afk out of prinicple

[minor cape]

why tho

arent you subtelty

[tight veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/poke-bear-dont-gif-19133553

[spark egret]

because one it shouldnt be in the game

no

lol

im assa

[minor cape]

oke you are just blue

here

[spark egret]

yeah I dont play one spec

Ij ust play all of them

[minor cape]

i mean double prot is fine tbh

[spark egret]

nah

[minor cape]

but like

[spark egret]

shouldnt be in hte game

its not really their fault

blizz should not allow it

[minor cape]

i think prot vs a normal healer

is bullshit

[spark egret]

its literally game ruining

to have double prot

[minor cape]

for who??

for a rogue its good isnt it

[spark egret]

for everyone

it's just blizzard is stupid as fuck

and allows it

[minor cape]

specs like that were allright in the last mmo i played

should be reworked

cause its like too much healing for an offheal dps

and not enough for actual healer

idk

[spark egret]

solo shuffle might be dead

with the mmr change

Im only still playing this shit cause I want the vicious mount

[wintry dew]

What change mister hataro

[minor cape]

arent healers with same mmr

[spark egret]

they fucked someting with healer mmr

[minor cape]

still put together in shuffle

[spark egret]

to shorten queues

[wintry dew]

I've been queuing vs 1.8 healers as a 2.1

[spark egret]

its so fun

[wintry dew]

It's not xD

[minor cape]

they just need to add some insane reward for healers tbh

for winning shuffles

[spark egret]

maybe shuffle was a mistake

[minor cape]

i would love a 2v2 shuffle for dps only

i would literally play 50 games a day

or more

[spark egret]

I didnt get my 4 set this week

so im already tilted

[minor cape]

just catalyst it

🤓

[spark egret]

i cant

catalyst only gets me 3 set

[minor cape]

rip

[tawny kestrel]

rly? u like doing skirmishes?

[waxen meteor]

Does anyone still have the catalyst mission list?

like what's counted as %

[minor cape]

i dont tbh

[waxen meteor]

just did a 5h and it counts 0

😦

[minor cape]

but skirmishes are for testing

stuff

in 2v2 double dps fights are pretty cool

[tight veldt]

skrimishes = 10% ea win

took me like... 30 minutes roughly

[waxen meteor]

skrimishes means 2s?

[tight veldt]

no, like literal arena skirmishes

[granite zinc]

I think the world boss gives 25% too

[waxen meteor]

I didn't find a world boss 😦

it's 20%

oh the practice mode!

[waxen meteor]

got you now

damn my client language needs to be adjusted to english

[tight veldt]

ahh my b, shouldve been more specific

[fierce laurel]

2v2 shuffle sounds kinda lit tbh

[minor cape]

fax

also like

would be a great warmup before 3v3 shuffle

🤔

solo shuffle would be 20 times more fun if queue was fast

tbh

and this would instantly pop

[willow garden]

Dear sirs. Anyone kind enough to give me soft open and burst with Assassination please . I am still confused about rotation. Do you open cheap shot garrote etc or straight away garrote into cheap shot and stuff

[spark egret]

bro is MADGE

died in smoke 4 times

lmfaoooo

[lyric onyx]

if its start of game, personally i sap healer, then mfd > kidney > garrote > garrote > rupture for an open on kill target

then get your spike running you're using that

and get slice n dice up

oh and shiv when saps about to run out

[nova viper]

Malicia

where your shop

[lyric onyx]

its done by the upgrade dude now

malicia is out of the job and its only been a month of the xpac

[nova viper]

wtf

But i done quest ;-;

[lyric onyx]

you still need trophies

[nova viper]

i got trophy of strife

[lyric onyx]

yeah you still need those to upgrade.. its just done by the npc that upgrades honour/conq gear now

[willow garden]

@lyric onyx ok I ll try that. I have been opening garrote garrote into cheap shot mfd into rupture and I go from there

[lyric onyx]

you running subterfuge then?

[nova viper]

Ty!

[lyric onyx]

honestly not sure how worth subterfuge is ... since you only really use it for cheap shots, but as sin most of the time when coming out of stealth you'll be using as many empowered garrotes as you can

not much time to fit in enough cheap shots to get full value out of subterfuge

maybe in coordinated 3's its more worth

[lucid lark]

man, low level pvp on sin rogue would have you believe it is incapable of doing any damage at all

so discouraging

[pliant spoke]

you doing mfd > kidney >garrote>garrote on same target? if so, why the double garrote when the first should already be empowered?

[willow garden]

@lyric onyx yes I am.

[pliant spoke]

genuine question

[willow garden]

So I understand the reason to open with mfd kidney instead of cheap shot is to get extra damage Friday m kidney shot talent?

[pliant spoke]

imo, opening with mfd > kidney allows for longer CC and a greater potential for your target to trinket which gives you a good kill shot opportunity

where as with CS, they are much less likely to trinket your opener

now if youre running with the talent that gives your kidneys a bleed dmg modifer, that makes it all the more better

[ashen steeple]

Do you know if the vault pvp gear is bugged or something? all the 3 items are 382 and not upgradable

[pliant spoke]

o.O

screenshot?

[ashen steeple]

on it

[tawny kestrel]

u dont play subterfuge as assa

[pliant spoke]

whats your rating?

[ashen steeple]

1800ish

[pliant spoke]

id say get it and see what happens

record it too if you can so if you have to, you can send it to blizz

[ashen steeple]

I accidentaly claimed one on my alt, and when I went to upgrade it I couldn't

[lyric onyx]

ik the dude before me said they open garrote > garrote > cheap so they must be using it

[tawny kestrel]

i see

[spark egret]

dude

what is wrong

with the game today

every single round I play today someone is dead in the first 5 seconds

[lyric onyx]

did you not see the patch notes

blizzard put pound coins on the floor of all the arenas so people are dying to pick em up

[tame rivet]

[potent pivot]

[spark egret]

POUND COINS

[lyric onyx]

engerland init

[tame rivet]

Everyone's dying to get pounded

[twin burrow]

trickz are we still running crafted helm and 4 set

[spark egret]

its wild west today

arms warriors just 1 shotting people from full hp

[tame rivet]

[spark egret]

healers not healing

or saving the other team with leap

[jolly sierra]

1 killed me with a 90k execute

fkn bastard

[spark egret]

I fucking lost it

at a priest today

that did that

literally saved a shaman with 5% hp

yoinked me away from them

[lyric onyx]

the best priests are the one that leap you into a kill

[tame rivet]

one devastation evoker today afked in the rounds he was teamed with me because i was "pillar hugging too much and he couldn't kill me"

[lyric onyx]

leap me into a kidney and idc what you do for the rest of the round you got my respect

[jolly sierra]

what a sore loser

[tame rivet]

imagine being mad cause someone employs los tactics on your broken af class

man was unhappy he couldn't just dive to me, pew pew 2 shots and then dive back to his healer

[spark egret]

ok im done with MA

[jolly sierra]

imagine being mad for outsmart a person

[spark egret]

trash talent

[graceful ravine]

https://twitter.com/cdew_wow/status/1620518620798537728

Liquid Cdew (@cdew_wow)

Randomly woke up with this, it’s itchy. What do we think Twitter doctors?

Twitter · Jan 31, 2023, 8:25 PM

cdew got deathmarked irl

[jolly sierra]

i did that in a dream to him

[potent pivot]

[lyric onyx]

SI7 tryna silence him for all the rogue hate

[potent pivot]

If only Elon played rogue

[jolly sierra]

kor'kron assassins giving a warning

[spark egret]

[potent pivot]

Hamtaro carry my alt

(Im joking)

[spark egret]

bro u carry me

ur like 2400

im piss

[potent pivot]

I’ll make a prot pally

Just for carrying hataro purposes

[spark egret]

IVE LOST 500 RATING TODAY

I SWEAR TO FUCK

ok no

300 but

still

fucking blizzard i swear tofuck

[graceful ravine]

sometimes you have to look within

[tawny kestrel]

hows it blizzards fault

[graceful ravine]

instead of blaming others

[spark egret]

by queueing these mentally challenged healers in my games

[lyric onyx]

sensei dayv

[graceful ravine]

if theyre mentally challenged, you should be able to streamroll them and at least be 3-3

[spark egret]

ive lost so many fucking rounds to people just

not pressing anything

dying in the opener

[graceful ravine]

you shuold go for 3k this week

i believe

[lyric onyx]

can try

[spark egret]

i fuckin ghate pvp

[graceful ravine]

all u need is good rng in lobbies

[lyric onyx]

true

[graceful ravine]

no bleed dispellers = win

[spark egret]

yeah

[lyric onyx]

with the amount of disc priests not seeing as many prevokers which is nice

[spark egret]

if your healer decides to not be a bot

[waxen meteor]

lol everyone in practice mode now is duelist or above

i guess everyone trying to finish catalyst mission

[lyric onyx]

practice mode?

[waxen meteor]

skirmishes i guess

[lyric onyx]

ahh lmao

[waxen meteor]

well i am not using english client, if i direct translate mine, it's practice mode-.-

[tame rivet]

[spark egret]

last rogue this fucking animal druid

let the other team pick up the invis thing

[tame rivet]

[spark egret]

so I got opened on

[tame rivet]

omg i can't

[potent pivot]

That’s hilarious

I love it

[spark egret]

then next round dies in stun and doesnt trinket

[waxen meteor]

yeah and i was super confused when you guys talked about skirmishes

[spark egret]

[waxen meteor]

i was like what is that?

is that a dungeon or what

[potent pivot]

[graceful ravine]

your games go that late without anyone opening? lmao

[spark egret]

that round did

zandalar arena

[graceful ravine]

thats crazy

LOL

[spark egret]

their team just stayed in spawn

[tame rivet]

no zug zugs to just charge and die mid bladestorm?

ill give you mine, you give me long arenas

[lyric onyx]

half the time i cant get a sap because everyone just rushes in

[spark egret]

I was so mad

and then the next round this stupid fuck cant press anything

[tame rivet]

when I solo shuffle I legit remove sap from my action bar there's no way in hell it stays on for more than 0.1 seconds

[gleaming pawn]

Hataro raging more than I was the other day. Fuck SS, I approve

[spark egret]

2 rounds wasted

cause of this stupid fuck druid

[tame rivet]

[spark egret]

people get mad at me for not sapping well

wtf im gonna do when you run in

[lucid lark]

help me name my new rogue

[spark egret]

im fuming rn

[tame rivet]

when I ss i disable all forms of chat and communication

too much negative energy

[potent pivot]

Pokeyergirl

[lucid lark]

Absolutely not

[spark egret]

same shit I say in league

[lyric onyx]

oh yeah ive convinced 2 of my friends to play WoW ... what classes should i get them to play to "conveniently" end up with a 3's comp at 70

[spark egret]

does chat being off help when I see some dumbass die in stun with trinket up

[tame rivet]

have you ever seen someone trinket the war charge root?

[gleaming pawn]

People really must be out to troll rogue players. There is no other explanation why they are drooling morons on our teams, and arena gods against

[spark egret]

nah

just a bad run today

the weekend was fine

[tame rivet]

tomorrow too dw

[lucid lark]

I'm about to pour my whole mf identity into this rogue and put my heart and soul into because insanely good. I REALLY want to do this, but I can't think of a good name

[tame rivet]

at least it's better than 3s

[lyric onyx]

xxbckstbrxx

[tame rivet]

did a long sesh today all i had was ele/dh, ele/unh, dh/arms/, arms/ret, arms/sin all day long

[spark egret]

bro

[tame rivet]

Venomousse

[spark egret]

I would kill

for ele shaman rn

[proven field]

No blind sap healer?

[spark egret]

please god give me ele

so I can feast on this bitch

[tame rivet]

[tame rivet]

you have high expectations

[spark egret]

[tame rivet]

my warriors charge a healer as soon as they see the blind up

[lucid lark]

[lyric onyx]

ele shams get so depressed when they load in and its 3 melees its so funny

[tiny bridge]

is it worth crafting the tier pieces even if they lose mas or vers

[lyric onyx]

half the time they just instantly say "fml" in chat

[spark egret]

Im getting warriors in every game

[proven field]

I’m outlaw I say fml all the time

[spark egret]

and you mfs trying to tell me this class isnt broken

[lucid lark]

hear me out

[tame rivet]

[tame rivet]

Venomoss

[lyric onyx]

lmaooo

[tame rivet]

sheeesh

[proven field]

I have not ran a SS without a DH and arms warr since last Tuesday

[tame rivet]

that's good

[spark egret]

bro

[lyric onyx]

my rogue name is elite

[spark egret]

how you get this

[tame rivet]

I would've probably asked for a refund on my sub if that happened to me

[lucid lark]

Wym

[proven field]

It’s every round - almost exclusively melee now

Mind you I am 1800 Andy so YMMV

[tame rivet]

yea im much lower ,it feels even worse for me

[spark egret]

the eye markers

[lucid lark]

the red eyes or the markings?

[lyric onyx]

the markings are default

[lucid lark]

Ya markers are day 1

[fierce laurel]

I had a 2700 game yesterday of sub marks beast balance.

And another of sub ele destro ww

[proven field]

Only thing you can do is pump pump and CC heals - there’s just no help to be had; we gotta be the clutch makers every round

[tame rivet]

tell that to my healer

my man will simply forget how to heal a fresh out of stealth ally

"oh you weren't still in stealth?"

"why didn't you vanish"

[spark egret]

i also

cant fucking leave stealth today

cause I just get trained

[tame rivet]

[tiny bridge]

yo is it worth to craft conquest gear into the set pieces even if they lose mas or vers

for sub

[tame rivet]

my rogue gameplay is 80% waiting in stealth, 20% seeing if i get trained or i slowly delete someone

[lyric onyx]

yes sir 4 set worth

[tiny bridge]

what about 2 set tho lol

[lucid lark]

me standing next to my healer in SS in turtle stance at 20% hp with the warrior 1s left in tar trap

[lyric onyx]

yes sir 2 set worth

[tiny bridge]

lfg

ty

[spark egret]

is

dismantle even worth it

vs ret

[lyric onyx]

not really

[tame rivet]

[lucid lark]

no bc u disarm and they

[tame rivet]

there was a sub today who disarmed my ret, i hope he wasn't u

[lucid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/nuclear-mushroom-cloud-gif-18947801

[tame rivet]

[spark egret]

dw

just cloak

and hope it actually goes off

[lucid lark]

Alright boys I'm deleting all of my chars and making Bansheesh my sole focus

See ya in the big leagues

[lyric onyx]

i expect to see you rank 1 at end of season

no excuses

[lucid lark]

Uh I am now -tier so

Maybe next season

[lyric onyx]

I SAID NO EXCUSES

[gleaming pawn]

You know, that would be another good pin @potent pivot. Good CD trades, etc like don’t bother disarming Monks, Rets, or Feral

[lucid lark]

mfw I cant delete this stupid level 6 hunter bc shes in exiles reach and theres no mailbox so I cant

[lyric onyx]

mailbox toy?

[lucid lark]

Cant use it i think

[spark egret]

please just give me this stupid vicious saddle

so I can drop pvp

then we go play m+ and blame our healers for sandbagging our IO

[lofty pike]

Reading the bonus it doesn’t seem like it does very much but is subs 4 piece impactful?

[jolly sierra]

hey thought worth disarming pally if they doesn't use final veredict anymore

[potent pivot]

That stuff will be part of a spreadsheet

It’s going to be a couple weeks minimum before that goes up

[fierce laurel]

How is master of shadows even a talent when first dance gives 20/25 energy back from relentless alone?

[lyric onyx]

what you guys think is harder help me settle an argument

2400+ in SS as healer or mythic raz

for the average player btw.. obvs a world first raider would find 2400+ harder and cdew would find mythic raz harder

[gleaming pawn]

So what you’re saying is, my idea to level my holy pally to play in SS to avoid the ass cancer that is rogue, is doomed to fail as well

[shy gull]

raz harder

[uneven grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/10q9d4h/so_solo_shuffle_broke_this_morning_put_5_of_us_on/

[shy gull]

i mean i think elite in ss is harder technically but i think its easier to get than raz

[lyric onyx]

probably true

if you're going for mythic raz you're probably in a discord with everyone

SS you're .. well solo

[jolly sierra]

@spark egret

[spark egret]

yep

[uneven grove]

hahahha

lol 😄

so no tuning

game works fine

can't wait for tomorrow reset

[jolly sierra]

lost a match rn against a sp/fire mage/ww

ppl just died around me

trying again, begging for a match w a enh or a ret lol

question, im doing bad waiting for fire mage to force ice block? holded the deathmark for too much time tho

should i just toss it away, force it and cc healer?

[uneven grove]

if he is not dwarf just send it

[jolly sierra]

ahh forgot to say

everyone but the priest were dwarves

XD

[uneven grove]

great game

[jolly sierra]

yeah i was doomed tho

[uneven grove]

give me back fcking vendetta

[graceful ravine]

ive had a 4 min shuffle game where i held deathmark the entire match vs a frost mage til he used double blocks, i won in the end but when i rewatched the clips, i shouldve just sent it

2 min cd for a 5 min cd is worth it

[uneven grove]

yeah solo shuffle is not AWC

i had zero matches so far where holding CDs gave me anything

[jolly sierra]

gotcha master

[jolly sierra]

gotcha grandmaster

[uneven grove]

if they are dwarfes you can send it after they trinket

stoneform and trinket share a 30 sec CD

so if they press one of them you have 30 sec to send DM with kidney

[graceful ravine]

yea you can bait it trinket with a kidney bomb