#pvp

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graceful ravine
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all that work for 6 whole pts

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keep going i guess

jolly sierra
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yep

jaunty osprey
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points doesnt even matter, just gotta get that mmr to a point

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where you start getting rating for 3-3

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the 5-1 was huge for mmr

dense thicket
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Is double sophic the way to go?

graceful ravine
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i need to queue into non-death mark dispellers

jaunty osprey
graceful ravine
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dh ferals etc

jolly sierra
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for me today my mmr started raising a lot after dropping 150 by curiosity by alt f4 a blade edge's

dense thicket
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THanks

jolly sierra
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think that fixed the MMR

graceful ravine
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@jaunty osprey is it ever worth using shadowmeld for a dr sap off the opener sap

jaunty osprey
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im tauren

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soooo

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LOL

graceful ravine
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LOL

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right

jolly sierra
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moo

jaunty osprey
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i just made an alt rogue this week though, it's in full blues and im like 2600 mmr on it

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i just been using meld

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to triple garrote

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for more pressure

jolly sierra
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so guys as preference are u using full tier on everything but pants?

jaunty osprey
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im using tier on everything except chest

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i have 5/5

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i prefer the mastery from gloves/chest and keeping the vers from pants

jolly sierra
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i see

jaunty osprey
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wait

jolly sierra
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are u in sub RN?

jaunty osprey
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i mean im using

jolly sierra
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a

jaunty osprey
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everything but gloves

jolly sierra
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aaaaahh gotcha

jaunty osprey
jolly sierra
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i was thinking in that route but thought about pants

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drakebreaker gloves?

graceful ravine
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very similar

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jaunty osprey
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yeah, drakebreaker gloves

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i have 2k conquest atm that i havent used

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im deciding on if i wanna buy outlaw gear or not with it

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my mmr is JUICED

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i can go 1-5 and get rating

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in this lobby

graceful ravine
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take me with u

fierce laurel
jaunty osprey
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HOLY COW XMOG

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im 1-1 rn boys, wish me luck

twin burrow
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I'm a rogue but ok misgenderer

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laughs in third decade age

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GLUCK

barren swan
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why is gouge ending early even with zero poisons on when playing Assa

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anyone know

jaunty osprey
barren swan
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garrote breaks gouge... ?

jaunty osprey
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damage breaks gouge

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and any incaps

barren swan
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damn

jaunty osprey
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we did it boys, rank 3

potent pivot
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my brain hurts

graceful ravine
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grats grats

potent pivot
iron flicker
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wtf is feral damage in arena atm

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
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do u need help testing anything

potent pivot
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and crit is actually going ham right now

jaunty osprey
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feral is just a details class

potent pivot
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having about 15% crit so far is pretty good

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further we go

jaunty osprey
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you get 15% crit without doing anything

potent pivot
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yeah ik

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i'm testing a lot of diff weights atm

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if you guys could post your raw stat numbers it could help i suppose

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for a crafted ring profile

jaunty osprey
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i have a crafted ring already

potent pivot
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i'll probably end up crafting it either way to get hands on

iron flicker
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Drakebreaker set does not work in arena does it?

jaunty osprey
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you want our out of pvp combat stats

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or in?

potent pivot
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mm

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can do both ig

jaunty osprey
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In PVP Combat with this ring:

Crit - 1100
Haste - 972
Mastery - 3736
Vers - 5559

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Out of PVP Combat with ring still:

Crit - 1051
Haste - 897
Mastery - 3473
Vers - 5012

potent pivot
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ty

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so far

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and this is still preliminary do don't take it as gospel

jaunty osprey
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IM TAKING IT AS GOSPEL

potent pivot
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~15% crit ~12% haste, the rest vers/mast has done the best so far

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in pvp combat for the proper crit ofc

wise breach
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Anyone bored and want to help me test the Deathmark + Wound + Shiv interactions?

jaunty osprey
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i understand sims cause I used to pve hardcore

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but

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you're never just tunnel visioning though

potent pivot
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what

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you think i'm simming?

jaunty osprey
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oh

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
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NVM JKJK

potent pivot
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i'm literally testing what's doing to make 1 Garrote do the most damage

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and i'm still on a small sample size so far

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then rupture

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because it's a different duration

jaunty osprey
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the thing is

potent pivot
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envenom, etc

jaunty osprey
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sometimes bigger ticks > overall garrote cast dmg

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yknow?

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like WHAT IF

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THEY DIE ON THE 2ND TICK

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OF GARROTE

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HMMMMM

warm lance
potent pivot
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you gonna make me lose my mind ok

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shhh

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the goal is to figure out what's actually the better option

twin burrow
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No tricks please let no trickz do his thing

potent pivot
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crafted helm/neck/ring

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to me the answer is obvious and has been since i did this the first time

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but we'll see

fierce laurel
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Well obviously giving up boots is the best damage.

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But the boots aren’t for damage.

potent pivot
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Tbh the boots are perfectly fine

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Especially for outlaw/assa

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I will not bother the sub boys with factual damage outputs

graceful ravine
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lets goooo get me to 3k

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fierce laurel
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They have crit which sin doesn’t like either.

potent pivot
jaunty osprey
alpine axle
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Tbf you can just use the ring without the embellishment too, which is likely to be good too

fierce laurel
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10% haste and 10% crit which do you prefer as sin?

potent pivot
alpine axle
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Esp before you get sockets on all of your available pieces from vault etc

potent pivot
fierce laurel
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The haste is like 50% better just by virtue of being in pvp… let alone the fact that you start with baseline crit

potent pivot
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I think that maybe you should test that theory

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Before touting it as fact

fierce laurel
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You want me to test that bigger numbers are bigger than smaller numbers?

potent pivot
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Haste doesn’t create bigger numbers

fierce laurel
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It will if you’re casting a garrote and seeing how much it ticks for after one duration.

potent pivot
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It hastens ticks into the window

fierce laurel
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Right.

potent pivot
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I’m just saying

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Go mess with your gear

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And garrote a dummy

fierce laurel
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At a 1:1 rate. Where’s crit makes x% of them < 2:1 bigger.

potent pivot
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See which does more dmg

jaunty osprey
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how much haste do you need

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to get an extra tick

warm lance
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Atleast 7

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7 what?

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yes

brazen charm
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an extra tick is it critting once, overall crit will prob make garrote do more dam single cast, haste however provides energy regen and that's more overall damage throughout the game

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just my opinion on the matter

jaunty osprey
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energy regen isnt a real thing

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in arenas

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you can multi dot - and you're not always PVEing and spending your full energy bar, you're setting up for goes

warm lance
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And you have thistle tea

brazen charm
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I mean sure rn you kinda win fast and you have tea all the time, and ur dam is enough. But I doubt we won't eat nerfs, and I seriously doubt arena pace is going to stay as fast as it is.

fierce laurel
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Lol

jolly sierra
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love this 2k7+ players, they are not arrogant and are happy to share their achivements

fierce laurel
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This lobby is Sub Sin Aff Aff

jolly sierra
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cmon ur day is not done yet, finish in 3k before reset

jaunty osprey
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MERCER, REPRESENT THE COWS

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DO IT UPPPP

warm lance
jaunty osprey
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but even then - sin has always played the same way where you multi dot or have bleeds going and wait for goes

brazen charm
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cause you eat a nerf next patch, with how quick patches are it'll be soon, and you don't have enough conq to full replace gear

jaunty osprey
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so having energy regen isnt a real thing

warm lance
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We cant test shit

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For afte rnerf

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Can we

graceful ravine
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it feels really nice to be top dmg every game

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😄

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how long will this last...

jolly sierra
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till the reset

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cmon keep playing

brazen charm
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also you can take in to consideration things like crit effects on some healers

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resto druid will heal more if you crit them

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for example

warm lance
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Doesnt matter they die in a kidney

brazen charm
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I think they die in a kidney using haste too, so by proxy crit doesn't matter ?

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bad take

potent pivot
# jaunty osprey to get an extra tick

The goal isn’t necessarily an extra tick, you will gain a partial tick no matter what based on the percentage of haste. But it also just speeds up your dmg slightly

jaunty osprey
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nah

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i was just wondering

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in general

warm lance
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Stats dont matter

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Who knew

jaunty osprey
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i know dots tick faster with haste

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i just wanted to know how much haste we need to get an extra tick

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just for the memes

warm lance
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Shit hits so hard no matter what your stats are

brazen charm
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yeah cause we're overtuned, obv

potent pivot
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To get an entire extra tick on the dot would take some maffs

warm lance
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Everyones overtuned

jaunty osprey
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NAPKIN MAFFS

potent pivot
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Some really weird ancient technological maffs

warm lance
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But what NoTrickz is testing is current, not after nerfs we dont know even happen

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Or what theyll do

brazen charm
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I'd say we're more overtuned than most rn, but yeah true. I dunno I just kinda see crit as meme.

jaunty osprey
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honestly, i'll take it nerf if they nerf everyone too

warm lance
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Crit is just a big IF

jaunty osprey
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i hate how squishy rogues are

jolly sierra
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think u have 1 more week tho

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safely

jaunty osprey
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rogues are legit so fucking squishy

warm lance
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And IF can never be argued

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tbh

jolly sierra
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agree

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we are running in gas to kill someone fast else we ded

potent pivot
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I would really like one more week

jaunty osprey
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once we use cloak and evasion on the opener, we're kinda on a timer

brazen charm
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don't use cloak and evasion on opener

jaunty osprey
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LMAO

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okay

brazen charm
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there's your answer

warm lance
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The game ends on the opener

jaunty osprey
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i love blocking people on discord

potent pivot
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So wait

warm lance
potent pivot
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Are you telling us to just die

jolly sierra
jaunty osprey
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when this monk pops cds on me

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ima just sit it

brazen charm
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trinket and step to ur healer

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like ?

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or just pop evasion

warm lance
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Just kill them before they CC you

brazen charm
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nothing else

warm lance
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5head

jolly sierra
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a few days ago an elite monk teached me than monk defensives are shit

warm lance
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"just"

jolly sierra
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so he said to me than i must use both karma and fort brew at opener

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and worked very well ironically

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w rogs is similar

warm lance
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When games last barely 1 minute you kinda cant just sit on your CDs

jolly sierra
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dont be stingy

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that is the lesson

fierce laurel
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5-1 on a Sub aff aff sin lobby

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lets go

jolly sierra
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lets gooo

brazen charm
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i mean idk I don't play solo shuffle so they prob last a minute there

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my 3s last a bit more

jolly sierra
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ofc

warm lance
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And AWC lasts more than a minute

jolly sierra
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in shuffle people goes feral

warm lance
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Right

jolly sierra
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so u need to use everything before u are the one feeding

brazen charm
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all imma say to that

warm lance
potent pivot
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They are talking about enemy’s openers

warm lance
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Not YOUR opener

jaunty osprey
potent pivot
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Not your personal open

jaunty osprey
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lmaooo

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you guys still talking to him

brazen charm
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yes but you don't fucking pop all your cds insta like a mongo and die next stun

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ur literally dead in 30

potent pivot
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Ofc

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You pop the relevant one

warm lance
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Nobody said pop all of your CDs

brazen charm
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he said evasion cloak on opener

warm lance
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Taking everything literal

brazen charm
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? what , am I supposed to read his mind

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I'm done lmao

potent pivot
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If only it were that easy KEKW

jaunty osprey
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3-1 rn boys

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i got this

jolly sierra
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LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

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show them u dont need to be NE to win

warm lance
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Nah everything has to be literal

potent pivot
jolly sierra
jaunty osprey
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dizl died 3 games in a row

jolly sierra
jaunty osprey
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no

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im tryna get juicer mmr

jolly sierra
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F

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was a ret the one dying?

jaunty osprey
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hpal

jolly sierra
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:/

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damn, they are squishy af

warm lance
potent pivot
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Shhh

brazen charm
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I never asked you to test anything

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i gave my opinion

warm lance
brazen charm
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by the way

warm lance
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Didnt you say youre done

potent pivot
brazen charm
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nah I'm bored and have nothing else to do, and I'm trying to speak with people that play the same class i do

jolly sierra
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in this discord the guys i block are persons which likes to argue

brazen charm
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clearly this community is very welcoming though

potent pivot
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Let’s be civil

brazen charm
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thanks for letting me know

jolly sierra
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the 100% of those persons are pricks which insulted me after losing temper

potent pivot
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Not everyone is going to always see eye to eye, thats life

brazen charm
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this guy is outright trolling and everyone else is cheering him on, with only you bringing a semblance of braincell in to the conversation

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if this was your first experience talking in a community

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what would you think ?

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worst part is it all started with me telling the guy to not press all his dcds on opener, I don't know him, maybe he's new

graceful ravine
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omg im so close i can taste it

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5-1, 5-1, 5-1 all the way from 2770

warm lance
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Close

potent pivot
# brazen charm what would you think ?

Tbf everyone was kinda already in the middle of trolling but I agree I don’t think it should’ve been pointed at you for trying to have a discussion about something, whether they/we agree or not

jolly sierra
potent pivot
graceful ravine
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i just need a 3-3 in a 3100+ lobby

jolly sierra
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how much time till reset arrives?

potent pivot
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Definitely not new

graceful ravine
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13 hours

brazen charm
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like i said I don't know him at all, it's w/e man, just usual internet arguments

waxen meteor
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OMEGAKEKW I will try to finish my tier set right after reset

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this week will be arena week!

jolly sierra
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and the maintenance?

waxen meteor
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oh shit

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7:00 AM PST to 11:00 AM PST.

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afternoon already

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imagine not working overnight as service provider

jolly sierra
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i work w public

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i hate clients

waxen meteor
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2ez I am on provider side as well

jolly sierra
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nice

waxen meteor
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I get used to it 2ez

jolly sierra
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are they douchy w u too?

waxen meteor
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all customers are like that

jolly sierra
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i work in an hotel, so imagine how is XD

waxen meteor
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sometimes there are customers really believe they are god

jolly sierra
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yep

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some of them even doesn't say thanks or see u to eyes

waxen meteor
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concernedpopcorn Hotel you might see more people from all over the world, maybe just cultural

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so don't be bottered

jolly sierra
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lemme see

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i've say chinese, brasillian, argentinian, north american and... dunno recall more

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but the hotel is five stars, so maybe dodged some nationality

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dunno if u feel the same, but u start to mellow w people which works w public too when u are the client

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maybe is for empathy, dunno

fierce laurel
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Holy shit, 2700+ feels so good as sub

jaunty osprey
warm lance
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Wish Id get up to a rating that felt good

graceful ravine
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inb4 i queue into ivan and he farms me

jaunty osprey
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nah im watching the kings nba game rn

jolly sierra
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if u get matched pls stream one of u for us

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XD

jaunty osprey
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we'd just go 3-3

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so he can get 3k and i can get 3200

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:^)

jolly sierra
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chad

wise breach
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There's the "nerf"

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[With weekly restarts] The amplified form of Numbing Poison as applied by Shiv now has 40% reduced effectiveness in PvP combat.
Developers’ note: This was intended to go alongside the PvP change to Numbing Poison earlier in the season.

fierce laurel
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Lmao

jaunty osprey
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rogues unplayable now

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fuck

fierce laurel
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You wish that was the nerf

jaunty osprey
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LOL

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SHHHHH

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well

graceful ravine
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its real

jaunty osprey
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WE LIVE FOR ANOTHER WEEK

graceful ravine
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LOL

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WOOO

jaunty osprey
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LET'S GOOOOO

graceful ravine
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SPARED

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HAHA

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bruh i didnt even know shiv amps numbing

jaunty osprey
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Evoker
Chrono Loop (PvP Talent) can no longer be applied through immunities.

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WAIT

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WHAT

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that's op

jolly sierra
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a

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LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

jaunty osprey
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let's just call everything else op

wise breach
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Yeah, Trill used it against Flop in cup 1 I think

jaunty osprey
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so we can deflect

wise breach
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Chrono Looped him in Tranq

jolly sierra
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guys the destiny gave us one more week of life

proper heath
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NO NERFS?!

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YEEEEES

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LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

jolly sierra
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LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

wicked rampart
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Dodged another bullet jeez

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I think we all buy lotto tickets at this rate

jolly sierra
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yeah

fierce laurel
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Anyone know how bad disarm is for ww monks?

gleaming pawn
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sadly, think I'm done with arena on my rogue this patch. Fuck solo shuffle, and all the mongo morons that magically go stupid when on my team. Fuck getting trained all round every round because all I get is shit melee lobbies that train me to death.

fierce laurel
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Does it screw with their mastery?

alpine axle
jolly sierra
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they can still hit u with RsK and blackout

graceful ravine
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I DID IT MOM

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LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

jolly sierra
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LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

silent umbra
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Are sin folks still opening up with mfd kidney garrote on melee and garrote on casters?

graceful ravine
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yup

silent umbra
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Okay. And do you go for a 3/4 pt rupture right after and then build and put up SND? Or SND to rupture

jolly sierra
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we don't use snd too much at opener tho

graceful ravine
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mfd kidney garrote garrote rupture, disarm before kidney ends

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then throw your bone spikes out to all 3 targets, put up snd

silent umbra
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Ahh oky that’s helpful

potent pivot
graceful ravine
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hehe

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now to never play shuffle again cos i dont wanna lose 3k..

potent pivot
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grats bud

wise breach
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Crimson Legend push!

waxen meteor
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You can play my account for fun OMEGAKEKW

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until you reah 3k

graceful ravine
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kek

waxen meteor
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You will feel like living in void without solo

graceful ravine
jolly sierra
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any general tips u wanna share w us dayv?

waxen meteor
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yeah grat

graceful ravine
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half the game is recognizing who u can or cant deathmark...

jolly sierra
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🤔

proper heath
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Dammit Davy. Now you're making me get 3k

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To prove I'm not shit at the game. Thats 20 mins of arena. 15 hours in que

graceful ravine
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queues werent bad actually

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10-15 min ish

waxen meteor
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yeah queue is good now

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with the healer match adjustment i think

jolly sierra
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in EU at least is still 30m average

graceful ravine
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oh one thing i learned is, if you have to blow evasion/cloak in opener

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you 100% have to save your vanish

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and not use it on blind saps

jolly sierra
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sure, i'm not a NE

graceful ravine
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or vice versa, if you blind vanish sapped opener, you need to save something or youre dead next dr

dusk spindle
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what i learned at 2100 CR in SS is if u use defensives just push harder

graceful ravine
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if youre lucky, you can space out your defensives, evasion 1st go, cloak 2nd, vanish 3rd etc

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and dont push in if your trinket/cloak/evasion/vanish is all on cd

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hide behind pillar and let them come to u

jolly sierra
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think that is possible with melee cleaves

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need to apply that one more frequently tho

dusk spindle
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carnage against melee cleaves is basically just ez win

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(at 2100 cr)

jolly sierra
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i use IP againt cleaves

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tbh

dusk spindle
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whats IP

jolly sierra
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the new capstone which increases bleed dmg w shiv

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nvm

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AP

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i say

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arterial precision

dusk spindle
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oh yea AP with carnage is very good esp when all three stacks

graceful ravine
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now i gotta bring my sub to 3k

jolly sierra
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are u using 2 different rogues?

graceful ravine
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same rog

jolly sierra
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ah

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thought u were about to rest

graceful ravine
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prob wont play tn

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didnt have much success on the sub duel cheese this week

jolly sierra
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:/

graceful ravine
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meta changing to disc/warriors which is very hard to cheese kill

jolly sierra
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yep

waxen meteor
fierce laurel
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I’m rotten boy forever.

graceful ravine
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imma give try it for another week

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and then possibly learn to play normally lmao

fierce laurel
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What’s ur sub rating

graceful ravine
waxen meteor
graceful ravine
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thats sub

graceful ravine
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and line the caster if possible

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if its dbl melee, youre prob fked

fierce laurel
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What pvp do you run. Bomb hemo and?

waxen meteor
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yeah

warm lance
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dbl melee is all I ever run into

fierce laurel
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Does sin get the step to an ally for a 90% reduction talent?

graceful ravine
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disarm vs melee, sprint vs mages/evokers, creeping venom vs spriest locks etc

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nah

fierce laurel
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Ah.

graceful ravine
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wait idk maybe lol

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never looked

fierce laurel
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Might be worth.

graceful ravine
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watching step charges also important

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i know sometiems its easy to have trigger fingers and just press it whenever youre 15 yds out of range

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but if you can walk it in 1-2 seconds... probably better to save

potent pivot
jolly sierra
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do u use athropic poison?

graceful ravine
jolly sierra
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neither w melees?

graceful ravine
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yes sorry

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vs melee cleaves

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that does big dmg

jolly sierra
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well, will consider atrophic against melee cleaves then

potent pivot
#

numbing is stronger afaik

graceful ravine
#

cos they blow all their offensive cds in the opener in an aoe fest

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and you need to help your team live

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once you live that initial burst, the game is yours

potent pivot
#

if you run numbing they get less gcd's in their burst period tho

#

considering they are not monk or rogue etc

graceful ravine
#

it only takes 2-3 globals to get off big dmg

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spear avatar bladestorm

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eyebeam essencebreak

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serenity rsk

potent pivot
#

i guess but the longer their gcd's the longer you have to peel

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that extra reaction time can be golden

#

even after the nerf numbing is still kinda busted good

dense thorn
#

Told you sin was nerfed. 🤭

potent pivot
#

idk

graceful ravine
#

they dont need more gcds

#

all their dmg is frontloaded in 2-3 big abilities

potent pivot
#

like take warrior for example

dense thorn
#

In 2s as sim is the opener. Sap healer, Garrotte, full kidney, blind healer? That’s simplified but that’s the idea right?

jaunty osprey
#

@graceful ravine GRATSSS

graceful ravine
#

TYTY

potent pivot
#

they avatar before spinning typically right

#

you can insta stun it before they get the bladestorm off

graceful ravine
#

the goal of 3k shuffle is just so i can look cool enough to get invited to 3s teams for a glad push..

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lfg is rough out there

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i dont play war but they typically stormbolt first

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bolt spear avatar bladestorm

silent umbra
#

Do you guys pop evasion on glade storm

#

Bladestorm

graceful ravine
#

only if he avatars too

waxen meteor
#

I think evasion is better during spear?

dense thorn
#

I try save for spear

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Otherwise no way out

silent umbra
#

They usually come together

waxen meteor
#

yeah

dense thorn
#

Tbh just play pikaboo and he’ll miss the spear

#

The xaryu pika solo shuffle video is top tier

graceful ravine
#

i watched that live

#

was so good

dense thorn
#

Was he inting or did he just get outplayed? That feral on last round threw by not literally melee the Druid

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When he was like 1% health lol

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Instead chasing xaryu

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Ran past him lol

flint bolt
#

I'm in a rough spot... I've played Rogue on and off since Vanilla. And honestly after the solo shit queue I just waited 40 minutes for, I'm contemplating just deleting that toon and never going back.

#

Sap healer into blind, hunter breaks blind. Get focused by warrior and mage, melt in 5 seconds

waxen meteor
#

The queue is getting shorter overall i think

flint bolt
#

rinse and repeat for 6 rounds straight

silent umbra
#

Yeah, I think being in this discord screws your perception a bit because of the great players here. I’ve had a ton of 1-5, 2-4 and 0-6 games

jaunty osprey
#

i've had a few 0-6 games too

waxen meteor
#

That's true.
Also high CR games are different than mid CR games

flint bolt
#

I have too on my warrior, and yeah... braindead zug zug two button rotation. but like, you try to learn and improve and you just get shit all over

jaunty osprey
#

and im 3177 rating rn

waxen meteor
#

I think keep in mind in solo, the 1st game is extremely important

flint bolt
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whereas on my warrior I feel like I can somewhat carry SS

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yeah. I'm just super discouraged.

waxen meteor
#

even if you cannot win, sometimes not die is a big bonus

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lots of people would just go target the first blood in round 1 till round 6

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especailly if you have a sudden death early

flint bolt
#

I'm rusty enough that I'm still figuring out the opener and when to engage, but I'm still fucking that up pretty badly. So I sit back and try to pick my moment and it just goes sideways

waxen meteor
#

that guarantees you to be targeted all 6 rounds

flint bolt
#

exactly what happened, lol

warm lance
#

Ive gone down 250 rating lately too. Over a couple week period

flint bolt
#

this was after watching pikaboo run through some submitted footage and just trying to get into the "sap healer into blind" situation every round. It did not go well.

waxen meteor
#

sap healer into blind is good

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but you gotta be able to go back and burst

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otherwise it's just a simple 2 on 2 game

warm lance
#

Its good if ppl LET YOU FUCKING SAP

waxen meteor
#

haha yeah, you can sap every round basically means you are playing in 2000+ MMR

dense thorn
# waxen meteor I think keep in mind in solo, the 1st game is extremely important

This is so true. Gotta not be a bitch.. if they focus you and make their life hell no one goes on you again.

I went 0-2 in a game and flopped over and was hard focused until I learnt to not be shit and not die the 3rd round and then wow, 4th they tried again and we won. Wasn’t touched again after and went 4-2. Find the weak link in solo in the meta

flint bolt
#

that's part of the problem. I'm like hey guys, I'm going to sap->blind healer. And guarunteed they break it every time.

silent umbra
#

I feel like with rogue you’ve gotta almost just dedicate yourself to the process lol

waxen meteor
#

you don't really need to speak for sap-> blind

warm lance
#

90% of lobbies dont let me even try to sap

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Teammates run in ä

waxen meteor
#

in solo games, mid CR, the most important thing is to burst dmg

warm lance
#

Insta

waxen meteor
#

and in LOTS of cases, because of different reasons, it literally becomes a PvE game

dense thorn
#

Just everyone charges in and you ask healer otherwise of the map and they trinket instantly. Happens way to often 😂

waxen meteor
#

once you get to 2000+ or 2100+ it's more arena ish

silent umbra
#

Tarny on that note are you popping exsang/DM on opener? Maybe with a. Smoke bomb or something

flint bolt
warm lance
#

Id be happy to actually get a sap off

warped anchor
#

I have melee run to the other side of the arena, los me and die in the opener on my priest

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Classic

waxen meteor
#

maybe i need to adjust

warm lance
#

Id be fine it being broken at this point

waxen meteor
#

but i am trying to figure out

flint bolt
warped anchor
#

It's pretty rare tbh but it does happen

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My priest is only 1600, my sham is 2.2 and it doesn't happen much there

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People press stuff

warm lance
#

600ish rounds of solo shuffle arena on rog and i cant really say ive got to sap on even 50% of them

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God that sounds sad when i still havent got to 2.1

flint bolt
warped anchor
#

I haven't gotten 2.1 on rogue either

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Got fed up of being a pinata every shuffle game

warm lance
#

Yeah kinda same at this point

waxen meteor
#

I met way more caster after 2.1 lol

warm lance
#

Having more fun on my warrior

waxen meteor
#

I thought this game didn't have caster for a while

warped anchor
#

Some casters are rising up with all the melee

warm lance
#

Even my destro lock is more fun

warped anchor
#

Frost mage is good into a lot of meta shit

flint bolt
warped anchor
#

Ele is obviously super popular

warm lance
#

Arms bby

silent umbra
#

Do you guys try to kidney the healer when you’re having a go on kill target? Or kidney kill target

waxen meteor
#

Frost Mage has quite explosive dmg tbh

waxen meteor
warped anchor
#

Frost mage is just hard to connect on for most melee and they have 2 blocks

waxen meteor
#

and most likely healer is not that close to kidney

#

there are times i kidney heals but not too common

#

normally healers don't want to be too close until you throw the bomb

warped anchor
#

Rarely worth kidney heal as assa

waxen meteor
#

staying too close means too easy kicks

#

staying far means step kidney may not worth it

warm lance
#

Thinking about the fact I got to 1.9 after under 200 rounds on assa and now at 400+ im down to 1650

warped anchor
#

Staying far also means they have to step blind

waxen meteor
#

if you can step kick then kidney cd comes, you might

warm lance
graceful ravine
#

you should record your matches

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i watch mine inbetween queues lol

flint bolt
warped anchor
#

Tbh I don't need to record, I know when I fucked up

waxen meteor
#

yeah rewatch your own game helps a lot

warm lance
#

It got to this point after only ever seeing melee blenders

warped anchor
#

Which is most games lol

waxen meteor
#

blindly endless play doesn't help to learn

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and sometimes it makes you play with anger

warped anchor
#

Depends, if you can see what you're doing wrong while you play it's fine

#

Some people can't

sharp sierra
#

oh no monkaS

warm lance
#

Dh warr dk dh warr dk dh warr dk dh warr dk

warped anchor
#

It can be stressful being tunneled every shuffle game for sure

#

And assa is one of the squishiest melee so it happens a lot

silent umbra
#

Yeah why don’t more people play sub?

warm lance
#

I can live for 2m+ but at some point something gives up

dense thorn
#

Damage is ass.

warm lance
#

I play sub

flint bolt
#

Because sub is harder

warped anchor
#

Assa has better damage and is easiest to play

dense thorn
#

I love my sub tbh

warm lance
#

Dmg is not ass

waxen meteor
#

I actually think sub is easier in solo

#

you can cheese your own way

warm lance
#

But my assa is what i pushed at first

waxen meteor
#

that is not that depended on any teammate

#

that's huge

#

in low - mid CR

warm lance
#

And getting higher on sub is a nightmare cause ppl dont make use of the cc

flint bolt
#

I could maybe see that. but in a more competitive setting, sub is rough.

warped anchor
#

Yeah, had a cheeser in one of my games

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He'd just blind healer to bait trinket then kill someone in duel

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Or at least attempt to

waxen meteor
#

thing is in mid cr game, it's really easy to cheese someone

warm lance
#

I win most rounds by forcing trinket early

waxen meteor
#

you don't even need to duel

warm lance
#

2nd go is kill

waxen meteor
#

and sub allows to live eaiser

warped anchor
#

I am a dog sub, no matter how much I practice it

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So I stick to combat and assa

waxen meteor
#

OMEGAKEKW My sub reaches 2200 MMR after 2 full rounds

graceful ravine
#

against melee cleaves, sometimes i recommend sapping the 2nd melee dps, and opening on the healer. If you cant sap. MFD kidney 1 guy, step garrote healer & stay far away from your teammate. The goal of this is to avoid being trapped in the aoe-cleave fest where they force all defensives from your team

flint bolt
graceful ravine
#

make them pop their offensive cds on one guy and not 2

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cos if youre stuck in that aoe fest, youre forced to evasion cloak even if youre not the target

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which is a big L

waxen meteor
#

Of sap healer behind, then sap sap blind

#

let them do 2s

warm lance
#

Sometimes you just fuckin die too

waxen meteor
#

then you go back and burst with best timing

#

you almost gaurantee the healer to trinket on blind

#

and you survive first wave without spending anything

warm lance
#

Youre just chilling, notice youre 50% from random aoe, warr turns to mortal>execute and youre in the grave

waxen meteor
#

problem is if you somehow get a -600 CR healer

#

you might lose in 2s right away

#

but on the other hand, if the 1 dps + 1 heal lose in 20 seconds, you gonna lose the round anyway

warped anchor
#

Warrior does stupid damage now tbh

warm lance
#

I love it when playing warr

#

Not when theyre in my games otherwise

warped anchor
#

Reminds me of necrolord arms one shotting people

#

And arms should not have so much mobility

waxen meteor
jolly sierra
#

i think venthyr arms was the stronger overall

#

fuck them w their execute condemn builds

graceful ravine
#

bam ez fix

warped anchor
#

Yeah but venthyr didn't one shot

#

Just constantly changed you with condemn all game

#

So obnoxious

waxen meteor
#

when my teammate is a melee as well, they tend to not listen

#

more likely it's our healer helps

graceful ravine
#

condemn warriors were obnoxious cos they had a 1 button rotation

#

it becomes very easy to play the cc/stoping go's game bc their rotation was so simple

#

you can use your brain power elsewhere like looking at enemy cds etc

waxen meteor
#

ok i am paying lv60 warrior now

#

if i don't get 2400 tmr i will go find you dayv

graceful ravine
#

that was SL 😛 idk bout now

waxen meteor
#

Just kidding anyway haha

#

I am already losing when switching DH and Rogue all the time

#

Adding a warrior i might just go crazy

dense thorn
#

Yeah I swap between specs so much

#

Logging into another toon fucks me lol

#

In pve last season I was playing every tank but there is a point where you kind of need to focus on one if you want to learn it

#

Like properly learn it

waxen meteor
#

Paces between different classes and specs can be very different

wise breach
#

Good god, I'm sure I played terrible, but this was the worst lobby I've ever been in

#

Preservation, HPal, Devastation, Frost Mage, Ele Sham, me

#

On Nokhudon

dense thorn
#

Sounds ass.

#

Worst I’ve had is devastation, ret pal, holy pal, frost mage

jolly sierra
#

just got beaten in my pally by an assa rog, a ele sham and a frost mage

dense thorn
#

How is ww looking in shuffle?

#

Kind of want a brain dead pvp Alt

#

That isn’t war or dh

jolly sierra
#

is fine

#

has better defensives than pally lol

dense thorn
#

Is mage a big learning curve?

jolly sierra
#

dunno

#

i hate clothies

dense thorn
#

I want to play it to learn the other side of RM

#

But also hate casters in practice. but in theory love them

#

Evokers look kind of broken too hitting for 500000 dam

waxen meteor
#

Mage needs to have a very clear mind between burst and cc and defense, i think

#

Probably takes a lot of pre-read

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and nowadays getting trained 247 in solo

jolly sierra
#

ret defensives are utterly useless against casters

#

damn i see why ppl is complaining about their survival

keen portal
#

what is the general idea for ret sub 2s?

jolly sierra
#

the ret is the backup healer

#

too much cc and zugzug 1 target

worthy crag
#

pls tier piece vault

jolly sierra
#

same i wanna stop using too much LFR pieces lol

waxen meteor
worthy crag
#

yeah

#

im praying for tomorro

fading blade
#

can you get the legend title playing a different spec as long as ur 2400 on another?

jolly sierra
#

yep

fading blade
#

do i gotta make sure i do like 1 game above 2400 next week to continue it or as long as its 2400 im good

bleak slate
#

Should be as long as you’re above 2400

fading blade
#

Pog

#

im still gonna Q obviously after reset but i wouldnt mind a few cheeky low rated games for a title

fading blade
#

doesnt work

tribal bay
#

u guys reckon if assa gets nerfed sub will get some more play?

sharp sierra
#

if they nerf sin again wars will be even more meta

bleak slate
#

I’m not sure how they’ll nerf sin, or if they really need to

#

I am tired of cdew constantly QQing about them though

fading blade
#

cdew cries all the time if his group isnt meta

bleak slate
#

Maybe 4set or something

sharp sierra
#

i can see a nerf on wound poison cus healers are crying

fading blade
#

awc war and ret clapped rogue, they just got outplayed

bleak slate
#

Yeah, I think another part is they haven’t found a counter yet, so it just seems even more strong

fading blade
#

sin gets countered easily and theyre not the problem

#

its the combination with sin thats deadly

#

dwarfs/dispells all in the game. Theyre mad over kidney shot which was already nerfed and is still nerfed to this day cuz of the free DR from items

tribal bay
#

heamotoxin is pretty strong

#

tbh

#

stackign with wound poison

#

like its pretty fried

fading blade
#

it doesnt stack

tribal bay
#

oh rly

#

didnt know that

fading blade
#

yeah

#

yeah wound is 48% i think with 2 stacks, kinda busted. They just wait for damping to increase

#

which is smart in 3v3, but cdew wont like hearing that

tribal bay
#

5 times

#

right

#

?

fading blade
#

yeah

#

3 normal , 2 with talent

tribal bay
#

ah yep

fading blade
#

shiv reduces only to 35

tribal bay
#

does wound poison also double with deathmark

#

so it goes to 10 stacks

fading blade
#

dont think so

#

that would be busted af

tribal bay
#

yeah thats what i thought

fading blade
#

its only garrote and rupt

#

and lethals

#

Wound is good overall pressure throughout the game. Sin is good, but its the extra SP/mage that makes it even more deadlier

#

AWC wise

#

solo shuffle just tell warrior to 1 shot ur kidney gg

#

well also 4 poisons is real nice

tribal bay
#

i think in SS rogues have a bit of a harder time

#

without the team dynamic

fading blade
#

100% , its hard to call out mid fights in chat. People will cry for nerfs watching AWC, but forget to realize that those games are completely different than your typical wow arena experience

#

idk im just annoyed cuz i watched cdew for 10min and it was constant crying

tribal bay
#

yea hes a cry baby

#

no offense to those guys but AWC is hardly even relevant

#

most ppl play solo shuffle which isnt AWC

fading blade
#

i dont think they tune because of AWC.

dense thorn
#

I watched it randomly the other day. Just moaning about his team mate being shit and boosted and crying

fading blade
#

only thing i can see is if they look at leader boards above 3k and see sin #1, but im hoping they realize its literally like 6 players on alts lol

urban creek
dense thorn
fading blade
#

Instead of learning how to counter things and look for weaknesses' theyll just cry instead

dense thorn
#

Why watch him when you have pika

#

Or palu

#

Or xar even

#

Mitch is great to watch too actually

#

So many devent pvp streamers

#

I want to watch more of whazz though

#

Never seem to be on when he is

fading blade
#

they prob watch cdew cuz hes been a top contender for so long and abuses everything in meta

#

Whaaz is really fun to watch, explains a lot of things in detail

dense thorn
#

Is whaaz best rogue world? 🤔

fading blade
#

i think so yes

dense thorn
#

But that’s me

#

🤭

fading blade
#

loop is best rogue world

dense thorn
#

Pin that thanks.

tribal bay
#

mes is good for non rogue related pvp streamers

#

he never gets mad

minor cape
#

nerfed assas again and didnt buff sub

#

😢

#

im going to cry

worthy crag
#

what nerf

minor cape
#

[With weekly restarts] The amplified form of Numbing Poison as applied by Shiv now has 40% reduced effectiveness in PvP combat.

uneven grove
#

holy moly

#

is this all we get?

worthy crag
#

thats like nothing

uneven grove
#

after reset everyone will have 4pc, assa will destroy the ladder

worthy crag
#

the longer the dominance, the heavier the nerf bat

uneven grove
#

i cancelled my sub today, i had enough kek

tribal bay
#

lol wow

#

too bad im shit at rogue

minor cape
#

i mean it is good in pve probably but who cares

hard compass
#

thats such a small nerf lmao

minor cape
#

am i doomed to play the spec that will have a oneshot build and then get nerfed for the rest of the season?

#

why are we here

#

just to suffer?

hard compass
#

yup

#

just a bunch of masochists

lusty heath
#

Guys i was absent for a while - how comes we Play exsanguate again suddenly

#

Bc of 4 PC ?

minor cape
#

cause big boorst then die in a stun 😎

#

im not qualified tho i dont play assas

frail summit
#

yo guys ddoes any1 else getting wa's errors while in arena?

languid steppe
#

I’m starting to play with assa in pvp, watching people literally just melt with all those bleeds and poisons from death mark as you run away is so satisfying

potent pivot
unborn turtle
#

Question, vad is my "Job" in solo shuffle? Do i try to setup kills or just dot up everyone and go for preassure?

#

And cc the healer on my " goes"

cosmic seal
#

Anyone has an exsanguinate build to share ?

craggy geode
potent pivot
potent pivot
lusty heath
cosmic seal
#

Ye

#

in solo shuffle you’ll get targeted 95% of the time

craggy geode
#

anyone playing aoe shiv?

cosmic seal
#

5 other percents are when you are stealth

lusty heath
unborn turtle
#

Ye meelecleave om just a dead boi

#

Disarming and stunning to not die

uneven grove
#

do we still have hope they push some nerfs out today?

#

or next week is gonezo too?

twin burrow
#

I read here 30 sec KS and cs 6 sec cd

potent pivot
lusty heath
#

Sorry getting Like ptsd when thinking about DK/warr/warr lobbies

potent pivot
lusty heath
#

It Always Feels Like a Lobby with 5 Warriors with hamstrings that can Stack 🥲

potent pivot
#

Warrior you can kidney before they bladestorm, evasion when they spear+avatar

lusty heath
#

Yeah

#

KS into disarm

#

But when the spear lands on me and the Other dps mostly Joins, it Feels Like the World is gonna Break onto me and god himself descend from heaven to f*** me

surreal hawk
#

New to rogue and trying the recommended sub build in pins. Anywhere i can read up on rotation for it?

alpine axle
#

The key to being useful while being tunneled is to apply some counterpressure, both through damage and by positioning in a way that requires your enemies to overextend

#

Kidney behind a pillar is pretty deadly, but you need to kite in a way that makes it useful

languid steppe
#

When getting my first honor gear, is the medallion trinket the most important thing to get first?

sharp sierra
#

i am in literal tears

#

i've never laughed so much on a pikaboo video

#

had to go wash my face twice during these 30 minutes

fierce laurel
lusty heath
#

I think thats Like the Maximum value you could get from disarm there dont you think

chrome schooner
#

Just make sure you disarm the warbreaker even if that means disarm first

#

Otherwise when he gets it back

#

You won't have disarm

#

And he will destroy someone

fierce laurel
#

Stacking evasion with disarm seems like a waste

brazen charm
#

disarm is a lower cd than evasion, you'd want to use it first imo

#

also it keeps him from just swapping to someone else

fierce laurel
#

As a general rule if there’s no rogue I disarm war breaker and feight spear, and upgrade to evasion if the healer is cced

#

Also bombing spear is a great way to create counter pressure.

#

Half this game is anticipating how much damage and healing you’re about to take and using the least amount of cooldowns to survive

graceful ravine
#

went to sleep rank #11

#

woke up rank#14

#

the mouse wheel keeps spinning...

fierce laurel
#

Servers up?

graceful ravine
#

@fierce laurel i deleted a DH in 3 globals the other day

#

i call this one an accidental kill

#

had shadowstrike proc/crit for 4pc

#

evis for 150k lol

fair sun
#

That’s very warrior of you

fierce laurel
#

Jesus. Makes me want to take flag again.

graceful ravine
#

i wonder if its worth using shuriken storm once before stunning for silent stuff buff into 4 pc proc

fierce laurel
#

Silent?

graceful ravine
#

100% crit on Shuriken storm after leaving stealth

#

which procs 4pc

fierce laurel
#

Oh you’re right.

graceful ravine
#

is that worth a global/energy for 12% dmg

fierce laurel
#

I keep forgetting what the sec tec filler point does.

#

Lol wait. The buff doesn’t last long enough

#

Rip

graceful ravine
#

which buff?

fierce laurel
#

4pc

#

Unless you flag first.

graceful ravine
#

storm->Kidney->dance-ss->evis

#

should work no?

fierce laurel
#

Yeah you would have to telegraph for 2 seconds instead of just one.

graceful ravine
#

its super minor probably

fierce laurel
#

Flag storm kidney evis
Instead of
Flag kidney evis

graceful ravine
#

ah

#

maybe do it for other go's when your flag is down

#

or not running flag

fierce laurel
#

I mean it’s a clever way to trigger 4pc but I don’t think it improves the cheese.

graceful ravine
#

imma try cheese again this week, if i cant break 2700 ill prob give up on it

#

or maybe only cheese the last 2 rounds

#

when they least suspect it

fierce laurel
#

Yeah. That’s one thing I was considering is do it first round and then play normal the other 5.

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Or just once but against specific classes that don’t have defensives in stun or when their healer is a Druid and can’t save through duel.

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But you do it once early as a mind game lol

graceful ravine
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yea for sure lol

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i had a few games where i did the cheese and won first 2 rounds

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then rest of the games, everybody hold trinkets cos they saw what happened

fierce laurel
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Exactly

graceful ravine
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then you switch it up and they die in a stun holding trinkets in the opener

fierce laurel
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It really sucks that the 4pc is only the next two globals after a crit.

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Unreasonably restrictive.

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I mean you could take tornado 💁‍♂️

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Tornado flag kidney gets you there.

alpine axle
fierce laurel
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Really? That’s Ridic

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It procs fw and consumed the crit buff.

alpine axle
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Tornado storms doesnt count for macabre either

waxen meteor
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just a chill way for cp anyway

alpine axle
graceful ravine
waxen meteor
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I normally go storm - backstab or backstab - storm before it reaches 7 cp

fierce laurel
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But if you need to put flag up it gives your opponent an extra second to react.

tender ferry
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Is secret tech still worth taking with 4pc? Evisc keeps getting fatter and fatter between finality and that 30% shadow damage talent

graceful ravine
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are we the bad guys?

vapid root
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Is mind numbing gonna be viable still post todays nerf?

supple pulsar
vapid root
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Feel like it should still be good

idle field
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How do we feel about cast sequence macros. feels a little noob-ish but I started using one just for openers and I feel like it helps a lot to get the pressure going right at the jump

waxen meteor
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OMEGAKEKW this is a bias

idle field
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Cdew leading the charge

waxen meteor
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just look at % in mid range pvp

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rogue is nowhere close to top

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is rogue is really OP for most people, then why are we not there

idle field
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tbf if rogue was in this state > 4 weeks it probably would be

waxen meteor
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people swap to their meta all the time

icy canyon
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People always need something to cry about. A few weeks ago it was about arms, now it’s our turn.

idle field
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Im pretty average and went from 1600 ss to 1850 with no less than 5 wins every round last week lol

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felt like a different class straight up w the 4 piece

waxen meteor
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4 pc might be good

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i still haven't felt that 😦

idle field
waxen meteor
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but tbh, if 4 pc makes sin a higher tier, just tune the set by pvp modifications

idle field
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Ill caveat that with I pretty much exclusively played sub til about 3 weeks ago so I didn't really understand the sin playstyle

idle field
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shiv + 1.5 min dampening - pretty much a win if your team can live long enough

waxen meteor
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Not sure, i think lots of people still don't take that talent at all

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unless it's in melee blend

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Like i think most of us here, especially the top dogs don't use AP talent

red basalt
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Hey, I have a macro question if anyone's able to help. Pretty basic - trinket+deaths mark
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

As far as I'm aware, it's that basic. But do I need to push the button twice for this to do what I want?

idle field
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anything not on GCD*you dont need to press twice

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so that should work

red basalt
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I thought so! Thanks!

graceful ravine
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so you dont have to change macro in the future if you use battlemaster

red basalt
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Okay sweet thanks!

idle field
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we need to make a big deal about this so people think we're properly nerfed

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complain about shiv in all your ss, throw some rounds, really sell it