pvp

[potent pivot]

Same

it's actually amazing that there can be multiple viable builds

i fully think Exsang is better than MA, and have all season

you just get more actual utility/damage from another button to press compared to MA

[proper heath]

@potent pivot I just checked . Whaaz and Akro both played SBS meaning no Art Precision. But Whaaz was playing art on friday.

So they seem to all be just testing everything atm

[wintry dew]

I'm having a lot of trouble in melee lobbies (war/monk/dh) and either going 3/3 or 2/4 in shuffles.
Any general tip for these kinds of situations?

[proper heath]

Going 3/3 in shuffles is a win

You can go 3/3 all the way to 3k rating

😄

[wintry dew]

Actually

0 rating

[proper heath]

#feelsbad

[wintry dew]

I've been only getting points for 4/2 and above

Probably because I've been queuing into 2.1/2.2 dps and 1.8 healers

[proper heath]

@wintry dew The tips for melee cleaves will always be stopping damage and handing kills. When you evasion, you need to get MAX value out of it. And trade. If a monk Serenities, Warrior Spears, DH Meta AND is hitting you. Evasion high.

You have Evasion, Vanish, Kidney shot, Disarm. Meld, Feint. to peel their big damage.

You must trade well. And win. And kite when u dont have anything .

But the good thing playing vs those classes is that, they can die. Remember, you are dying to them. But you should be killing them too. Trade your defensives well. And kill em. They are just as afraid of you as you are of them .

[warped anchor]

meld lol

[potent pivot]

yeah they're definitely trying to see if any different talents will give them any advantages going assa vs assa and vs other comps

[warped anchor]

i don't have that on my rogue what level do i get it

[proper heath]

Lol

[proper heath]

You pay that 25$

[tacit crane]

Nelf racial

[proper heath]

😄

[wintry dew]

25 euros

[proper heath]

EUROS?

[warped anchor]

pfft

[potent pivot]

[proper heath]

omfg it's just 25 american

it's more expensive on EU?!

[potent pivot]

same price omegalul

[tacit crane]

Uh... not now though

[wintry dew]

I believe it's 25 yeah

[potent pivot]

[tacit crane]

I believe USD got more expensive than euros as of lately

Didn't it?

[potent pivot]

i don't think so?

[tacit crane]

Oh

[proper heath]

oh shit it's almost the same

OMG whate happened to the EURO?!

it used to be so much more valuable

[warped anchor]

brexit

[potent pivot]

dollar on the come back

better watch out

[tacit crane]

aggressive tactics on USA

[proper heath]

I haven't looked at exchange rate in so long . I'm actually shocked atm. Damn . '

[potent pivot]

yeah i'm surprised

tbh

[wintry dew]

Thing is, imagine this fake scenario: i get war stunned into spear into his CDs + dh on top of me aswell, i trinket evasion because that warr stun is enough to 100-0. I might live this go but as soon as im out again against this kind of comps in just a training dummy. Roleplaying ret 100%

[tacit crane]

One of them was the rise of interest rates

In the first place, you can evasion the spear

You can also feint into dismantle one of the DPS

Either DH or Warr

Which should be enough for you to live

[potent pivot]

Disarming the warr in that situation is probably the play

but you'd have to pre evasion the spear to not be hit by it

[tacit crane]

There's also kidney, which you can use on MfD > Kidney on the offtarget

And then you're completely safe

if warr wants to keep pummeling you, he has to trinket the disarm, which you can then blind

[proper heath]

So lets Get more value out of that scenario. I'm going to get technical. What you did isn't wrong. Lets get more.
You know spear is coming.
As soon as he spears, disarm.
He will trinket to get value out of spear.
Insta kidney him, be prepared. Then you can save evasion.
If he bladestorms the kidney. Then evasion.
In this scenario, you are still evasioning, but u will at least get warrior trinket .
And if he fucks up, you kidney his trinket on disarm. and you dont have to evasion.

[wintry dew]

Thanks, i do need more training tho, it's been a hard life in shuffle

[tacit crane]

Does evasion work on bladestorm full dmg?

[proper heath]

Hope that helped.

[tacit crane]

I didn't know bladestorm was dodgeable

[wintry dew]

It did help, i must really keep training. I have no idea how i even got to 2.1 in the first place since I've always been a rival1 player

Must be a shuffle thing LOL

[proper heath]

Alot of it is knowing what to expect. And getting max value out of it.

make them work for it.

[tacit crane]

Its insane how many defensives/peel rogue has

[proper heath]

That is why, when we watch AWC.
World class teams like Admiral gaming, Que DK/WAR into rogue mage. and GO their priest.

Because even a dk war, cannot kill a rogue if u go the rogue.

Rogue / Mage have way too many ways to live .

[warped anchor]

its more the mage can peel so well

assa rogue can easily die

to melee cleaves

[proper heath]

Ofc. By urself.

If you are world pvp, and u get ganked by Warrior/dh/WW

yes you die

[warped anchor]

even in arena

[proper heath]

It's over. There are no tips i can give you

[warped anchor]

depends what you're playing with

[proper heath]

Thats solo shuffle. 😄

[wintry dew]

That's the beauty of shuffle right? :p

[warped anchor]

assa is pretty squishy

[wintry dew]

I feel the same yeah

[proper heath]

When my team is DK rogue. Vs any comp. It's over.

It's an L

We take those L's and move on

[tacit crane]

You'd expect solo shuffle to have the same coordination as your own team though

Which is none

[warped anchor]

i mean its good assa is squishy

otherwise it'd be even more busted than it is now

[proper heath]

The only coordination is

"Go pala"

[warped anchor]

go shaman

train blue

i swear i pick classes that get trained into the dirt in shuffle

rogue, shaman, mage

[proper heath]

And BTW. Even tho rogues are so prominant. So many idiots still dont know to Line so the rogue can sap.
NO ONE LETS ME SAP.
Everyone runs in Mongo.

[warped anchor]

only class i play that doesnt get trained much is priest

[tacit crane]

You tell me, I play survival hunter and rogue lol

Train is my second name

[warped anchor]

maybe i should play a demo lock or a dh

just dps without a care in the world

[tacit crane]

I have a DH, but it is sooo boring to play

[warped anchor]

yeah you just kinda w key and do dps

[sharp sierra]

1st of february maintenance

I pray there are no nerfs

[tacit crane]

Huh

Isn't 1st a wednesday?

[potent pivot]

NA and EU have different reset times

[tacit crane]

oh

[warm lance]

Im getting so close

[gaunt trout]

Lol this. A good sap in the beginning is so important but nobody understands that in low mmr games.

[alpine axle]

You often dont get them in higher mmr games either fwiw 🙂

People go zugzug me smash and run in

[jolly sierra]

for me is almost always the warrior the one running to hit before i can sap

[potent pivot]

is there not a way to go back and see what everyone ran during their AWC matches?

[twin burrow]

so as per pin, we are running the same talents 95% as before the patch?

[potent pivot]

basically yeah

there's a couple things you can change based on match ups

like taking Intent to Kill vs caster cleaves

or trying out Arterial Precision vs melee cleaves

[twin burrow]

ez ty

[warm lance]

Gottem. Assa MT done

[potent pivot]

holy pog, congrats

[warm lance]

It do be lookin kinda good

[vapid root]

yoyo gamers, how does this build look?

[warped anchor]

loos good

[vapid root]

one thing im contemplating is losing fatal concoction, but i see why pros arent using it as deadly and wound don't do much noticeable damage

[warped anchor]

deadly does good damage

[vapid root]

yea but not like top 4/5

[warped anchor]

depends how much you're kiting

[vapid root]

true, the thing im wondering is if not taking fatal affects envenom damage..i dont think it does but jw

other thing i was wondering is if prey on the weak is > fleet footed with all the movement enchants in the game

[potent pivot]

well you want Deadened Nerves typically

that's the only real reason for going through FF

[vapid root]

yea i was on DN but dropped it for gouge

prefer more cc

[potent pivot]

you don't have to drop it though

for gouge

check the build in the pins

[warped anchor]

you'd drop the movespeed reduction talent

[potent pivot]

you can path through DN into Thief's Versatility instead of wasting a point in Unbreakable Stride

[vapid root]

yea i think u lose the new movement talent right

i like movement one a lot

[potent pivot]

that talent is dog water

[warped anchor]

its p good

whazz is playing it

[potent pivot]

nah

[vapid root]

nah nah its nuts

esp w rogue meta w crippling

[potent pivot]

most movement impairing abilities get reapplied constantly anyway

[warped anchor]

some

[vapid root]

its a flatline reduc tho

[potent pivot]

it's only decent vs certain comps

[vapid root]

it doesnt remove

[warped anchor]

common ones like hamstring, frost shock etc dont

[potent pivot]

it's a duration reduction

[vapid root]

im wrong on that

[warm lance]

It doesnt affect crip at all tho cause its passively applied

[vapid root]

just duration ya

[warped anchor]

does if the rogue doesnt hit you for awhile

depends if you're the target

[potent pivot]

we already have plenty of movement freedom

[warped anchor]

a lot of classes have to use globals to slow you

[potent pivot]

steps, freedom sprint, etc

obviously you only really want DN vs phys dmg anyway

so they're both kinda situational

[vapid root]

yea

[potent pivot]

but US definitely isn't a 100% lock-in

[vapid root]

need two builds depending on the comp if ur min maxing that hard

[potent pivot]

you can just edit the talent tree before a match

[warped anchor]

i cba to swap in dn for every physical game in shuffle

[potent pivot]

don't have to make that many builds

[warped anchor]

i just play the movement one

[vapid root]

yea i feel like deadened is underwhelming no

like whaaz plays yea but it just seems super super underwhelming

[warped anchor]

its ok

[potent pivot]

vs a warrior or hunter? no

[warped anchor]

its 3% less damage

and monk

[potent pivot]

it's big vs warrior, monk

ye

etc

even vs an outlaw rogue

[vapid root]

true yea

situational

[warped anchor]

outlaw rogue kek

[potent pivot]

[vapid root]

poor hook gods

[potent pivot]

they are still our pirate brothers

in some way

some..how

[warm lance]

Hey

If it wasnt such a struggle bus currently Id be playing Outlaw

[vapid root]

ight i got two builds now from that pic i sent they swap between dn and us

[potent pivot]

there's other stuff too

like playing Intent to Kill vs caster cleaves

[vapid root]

what would swap the point to

[potent pivot]

sec

[vapid root]

poisons prob or the mut 10% nature?

[potent pivot]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEtkIJIJJlEAAAAAAAJAIJAAAAAAASJE0SCJJJpkSSCCJRSCA

[vapid root]

no exsang ?

[warped anchor]

exsang suck

[potent pivot]

if you want to you can

it's not bad at all

[vapid root]

everyone uses now

[warped anchor]

i know, i just hate it

[vapid root]

whaaz pika drake nahj

etc

[potent pivot]

but also you're main tree

[warped anchor]

its the worst feeling cooldown ever

[potent pivot]

look at the tree in the pins

[vapid root]

i agree

but it makes a full value dmark nuts

[potent pivot]

a couple people played it in awc, that does NOT mean everyone is using it now

[vapid root]

top teams used it *

[potent pivot]

and they probably don't know if it's "better" yet

they've been playing different builds constantly

[warped anchor]

i thought people spaced them out tbh

rather than use them together

exsang one go, death mark next

[potent pivot]

just because they swapped to exsang today doesn't mean it's automatically better for the ladder

[warped anchor]

exsang is still not that popular according to murlok.io

[vapid root]

us ladder has a couple high rated players using it too

[warped anchor]

its definitely gotten more popular though

[vapid root]

ya i saw that on murlok

[potent pivot]

yes, even i prefer exsang

but i'm not really gonna say "it's better everyone is running it"

because exsang and MA are both kinda meh

[vapid root]

yea i agree

ma is very meh

[graceful ravine]

https://youtu.be/JDnGq8T3stA?t=288

haha

[vapid root]

he plays dh dk away w him

[potent pivot]

[warped anchor]

do you deathmark then exsang?

[vapid root]

yea

[warped anchor]

or the other way

[potent pivot]

never

[vapid root]

no no yes

[potent pivot]

you should never do that

no

[vapid root]

y

[potent pivot]

absolutely not

[vapid root]

depletes dmark too quick?

[warped anchor]

so you exsang and death mark the faster bleeds

[potent pivot]

because you are shortening your DM window

[vapid root]

hmm

[potent pivot]

you exsang BEFORE DM

[vapid root]

pika was exsanging after for quick kills i think

wonder how drake played it

[chrome schooner]

he's exsanguing after 'cause he's trolling

he's never been the thoery crafter guy

[warped anchor]

dont look at pikaboo for rotation advice

[chrome schooner]

in sl when we had set

he was using sepsis outside of shiv

on awc

[vapid root]

jesus

[chrome schooner]

for half a awc season

[warped anchor]

he played kyrian and didnt press it for 3 games

[vapid root]

dude i was yelling at my monitor for that and thistle

barely hits

[chrome schooner]

he's good mechanically but the little rottion details like exsang / dm he doesn't know about usually

[potent pivot]

mechanical play and skill doesn't always correlate to proper rotation and theory craft

[graceful ravine]

does esxsang after deathmark reduce the duration of deathmark?

[vapid root]

wait so if i exsang first does it expire the dmark i apply after

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

no

you put up bleeds -> exsang -> DM

[vapid root]

ah see thats where its weird

[potent pivot]

and also

when running exsang you can double garrote from stealth

on 1 target

for max duration garrote exsanguinate

[vapid root]

actually it does say in tooltip on them

so it does make sense

[potent pivot]

why not?

[vapid root]

nah i didnt read the tooltip before i wrote that

[potent pivot]

exsang speeds up/cuts the duration of your bleeds in half when you press it

[vapid root]

disregard

[potent pivot]

DM affects bleeds dynamically

ah my bad

[vapid root]

yea as u put them up

esang like static ig

[potent pivot]

yeah exactly

[vapid root]

cool cool

[potent pivot]

if you're going for max burst

[warped anchor]

what happens if you reapply a garrotte to a 'sped up' one

it just erases it?

[vapid root]

on dmark or exsang?

[potent pivot]

you can gar-gar-rupt-ER-rupt-exsang-DM-shiv

[warped anchor]

exsang

[potent pivot]

yes

[vapid root]

its only the current bleeds

[potent pivot]

you overwrite it

[vapid root]

o wow

[warped anchor]

god exsang is so shit

[vapid root]

so i gotta be careful w that

[warped anchor]

why is it designed like that

[vapid root]

so bad right

lol

that is a shitty design tbf

[potent pivot]

you want to exsang the biggest duration bleed possible

[lucid citrus]

wouldnt you have max combo points if you gar twice with SS?

[potent pivot]

so like right after you refresh your bleeds

is when you want to exsang

for max duration burst

[vapid root]

yea then just muut

wonder if the mut dot overwirtes it

[warped anchor]

so in a real arena match you'd mfd kidney garrotte garrotte

so you can't get stopped

if you wanted to send it straight away

[potent pivot]

fixed, ty

only if you want maximum burst yes

[warped anchor]

guess you could also double garrotte a caster too

[potent pivot]

if you want to use exsang to get CDs then don't DM after it

[vapid root]

yea

[warped anchor]

i was gonna send exsang in the opener

then dm later

[vapid root]

the question is what do u do during exsang

[potent pivot]

the combination is strong af if the bleeds don't get dispelled though

[vapid root]

bc doomblade may overwrite the current doomblade bleed

[potent pivot]

so like vs bad comps you can destroy them

doomblade would only overwrite doomblade

[warped anchor]

doomblade cant overwrite garrotte/rupture

[potent pivot]

not your garr/rupt

[vapid root]

but thats small

so its ok

[potent pivot]

yeah

[warped anchor]

doomblade does piss dmg

[vapid root]

yea lmao

[potent pivot]

the only thing you worry about overwriting is gar/rupt/crimson tempest if using it

[vapid root]

q pop brb

[warped anchor]

mythic plus arena build

crimson tempest

[potent pivot]

unironically

CT is good in arena

[warped anchor]

hard to get the globals to cast it

when i tried it

[potent pivot]

there's so much sleeper stuff i've been saying is good but no one bothers trying it

so

[warped anchor]

but yeah CT is very good on two target

[potent pivot]

"lets all just play what the top 50 are playing"

it's a fun vibe

[warped anchor]

hey i played blindside for ages

mainly cos its fun

[potent pivot]

yeah iirc Sonnics did as well

[graceful ravine]

Builds are very hard to prove mathematically in PvP

Hard to quantify how much actual difference each talent does

Just all feelings

[wraith plinth]

left is my tree in game, right is drake's awc tree, how the fuck does he have tea?

[warm summit]

my matches were so good a few days ago now im just getting bonked

[vapid root]

i just had 2 healers who didnt heal in a shuff rip

2200 btw

[warm lance]

Better question is how do you not have tea

[wraith plinth]

Ofc I'm playing w/ tea lol

[lucid citrus]

yeah you should have enough points lol

[wraith plinth]

But what I mean is, I'm 'copying' his build to try it

and he has an extra talent point

[vapid root]

yea idk id jsut take drakes import

might b bugged

[warm lance]

Nah he doesnt

I have the same amount and have tea

[wraith plinth]

look at the tree

i linked

its mine in game w/ 0 pts left

[warm lance]

Yes and I also looked at my own

I do have eyes

[wraith plinth]

and his on the right is the AWC import

[vapid root]

yea mines same thing

[alpine axle]

Your tree has two points in shiv somehow

[wraith plinth]

must be a visual bug on the awc side

wait

WAT

BNRO

LOL

[warm lance]

Its not a visual bug cause i have tea with the same allocated points

[wraith plinth]

it was mine

[alpine axle]

Just reset it and its probably fixed

[wraith plinth]

mine was bugged

[vapid root]

wait

wheres the shiv thing u say

[wraith plinth]

My shiv literally was 2/1

look top right

[warm lance]

kek

[lucid citrus]

top left

[warm lance]

thats a weird way to say top left

[wraith plinth]

left

[vapid root]

what the fuck

[lucid citrus]

LOL

[warped anchor]

Super shiv

[wraith plinth]

im all fucked up

[vapid root]

hello

[wraith plinth]

brother

[vapid root]

lolk

my man

[wraith plinth]

too much shuffle

brain melted

[vapid root]

has a the old 40% shiv

[wraith plinth]

idk how many times i can die while my 1750 rdruid has tranq up

before my brain is smooth

[vapid root]

its a good feeling right

[warped anchor]

I think tranq is more for cc immunity than raw healing output

[wraith plinth]

i 5-1 a 2.1 lobby, then 2-4 a 1.9 lobby idk man

games on fire

[vapid root]

i like tranq for when a sub rogue duels

feels nuts

[warped anchor]

Yeah

[warm lance]

I just had healers getting assblasted in a lobby

And obviously I had no say in the matter at all

[warped anchor]

Duel is countered by a lot of stuff tbh

[warm lance]

Ret, dh, sv

[vapid root]

yep

[warm lance]

ret and sv both just taking off my dots

[wraith plinth]

does feel like ppl r starting to realize u just kill the assa

[vapid root]

yep

[warm lance]

wdym starting to

[wraith plinth]

a few days ago, i was never getting targeted

[warped anchor]

People always have killed the assa

[warm lance]

Theyve been doing it for weeks

[vapid root]

always been

gotta kite really hard

[icy canyon]

I’m always the target in shuffle

[warped anchor]

Only time you don't get targeted as assa is if you have something like ele sham

Or a hunter

[vapid root]

yea just run in between drs

[wraith plinth]

feels like half the time i win the long damp games im just running like a bitch

for 45s

[vapid root]

ffeint everything

[warm lance]

I went 1-6 last game cause the first round they tried to kill me

[warped anchor]

Running like a bitch is what assa does best

[vapid root]

peel when u are safe

[warm lance]

I didnt die, so they just rushed heal

Every game after

[warped anchor]

Get bleeds up kidney, run round pillar

Repeat

[wraith plinth]

i thought what we did best was get cc'd on opener for 10s straight

[warm lance]

idk why a resto druid lets a ret get on their face so easily but here we are

[vapid root]

sucks bc doesnt leave room for envenoms

[warped anchor]

Some resto druids try to get fancy and do cc

[vapid root]

only in bomb really

[warped anchor]

Rather than staying away and healing

It's OK envenom does no damage anyway

[vapid root]

true but the 60k ones are spicy when u get them

[warped anchor]

Unless you play amp poison

[vapid root]

i hit a 60k yesterday in a shuff

was nice

[warped anchor]

Meanwhile 200k mortal strike

[vapid root]

215k hunts

[warm lance]

Im trying assa with 4set now and I really just cant get into it anymore

[wraith plinth]

assa 4p is gonna get us nerfed into the ground tho right

[warped anchor]

Probably

[vapid root]

yea its disgusting

[warped anchor]

Hopefully not into the ground though

[vapid root]

i think theyll nerf the 2set first

[warped anchor]

Maybe 50% nerf in pvp

[vapid root]

oof

[warped anchor]

That's what they did with ele

[tribal bay]

thats not a big deal guys

assa rogue is already strong even with a 4p nerf

[warm lance]

assa 2set is a nonfactor tho

[warped anchor]

Assa is too strong atm obviously and blizzard is actually tuning stuff often now

So just hope they don't overnerf it

[vapid root]

i mean its a flat 20% buff to poisons on evneom its decent

[tribal bay]

i dont think it will be overnerfed

all the other melee are pretty balanced now except assa rogue

[vapid root]

dks and monks are pretty yucky

[tribal bay]

not really

[warped anchor]

Dk and Monk are fine

[vapid root]

they do some wham dam

[tribal bay]

not really

[waxen meteor]

it really depends on who other 3 are

[tribal bay]

dk damage is pad

[warped anchor]

Arms warrior is getting a bit problematic

[tribal bay]

VP doesnt win games

[warped anchor]

Again

[vapid root]

yea arms is good

[wraith plinth]

i got mortal striked for 211k

[tribal bay]

arms dies

[wraith plinth]

flat out died from 60%

[warped anchor]

So does rogue

Doesn't mean it's fine

[tribal bay]

rogue has better defensives lol

[waxen meteor]

Arm has some unpredictable dmg, that's for real

[tribal bay]

if an arms warrior doesnt kill someone during spear in the first 20 seconds then they have nothing

and i think if blizzard tunes anything

its going to be heamotoxin

[potent pivot]

they already tuned hemo

[warped anchor]

Idk they slap pretty hard with just warbreaker

[vapid root]

feel like theyll take away 2 shivs

SL felt fine w one tbh

[potent pivot]

it'll likely be a straight up damage aura nerf, or another nerf to garrote in some way

[warped anchor]

I think they'll just nerf tier set

[vapid root]

yea thats the more realistic approach

[potent pivot]

the tier set itself isn't outlandishly strong

a lot of it is to do with our base line

[warm lance]

what the fuck is going on in my game

[potent pivot]

garrote is overtuned still

[warm lance]

My teammates just keep flopping over

[vapid root]

yes garrote is crazy

post nerf

esp w NE being meta

[warped anchor]

Fuck garrotte damage

I hate it lol

[vapid root]

yea its kinda ridiculous

[tribal bay]

why

[warped anchor]

Just too much

[vapid root]

i had a 1 cast big garrote do 175k

thats too much

for 1 dot

lol

[tribal bay]

ig

[vapid root]

i mean good rng on crits for suure

but like too much

[tribal bay]

UA is worse

[warped anchor]

Funny in shadow lands melee and deadly poison was my top damage as assassin

[vapid root]

yep

[warped anchor]

Yeah but affliction lock doesn't have a 35% mortal strike

[tribal bay]

yeah true

[warped anchor]

Or silences you from stealth

[tribal bay]

UA silences when dispelled

[warped anchor]

Can also kick it

[tribal bay]

and does big dmg

[warped anchor]

Garrotte has no counterplay other than disarm

And a few bleed removals

[vapid root]

yea and dark iron/dwarf

[waxen meteor]

one of the issues is there are too many dwarf now

[warped anchor]

Yeah because of us lol

[vapid root]

literally

and feral at beginning too

not much feral impact anymore tho

[warped anchor]

And sp

[vapid root]

ya

all the fotm shit

[tribal bay]

the state wow pvp is in right now you're literally at a big disadvantage if you dont "fotm" into something good

[vapid root]

yea hopefully it chnages when more ppl get their full tier

[waxen meteor]

feral before last week as well

[vapid root]

yep

[waxen meteor]

I think feral opens harder than us

[graceful ravine]

Does this mean you were playing with missing talent?

[wraith plinth]

Yeah got to 2.2 w/ -1 talent

[graceful ravine]

LMAO

[vapid root]

crazy

[wraith plinth]

i thought u couldn't have marked, resounding, or tea like you had to choose

[vapid root]

file a ticket and ask for some rating compensation

kek

[warped anchor]

Haha

[waxen meteor]

what's the CD for feral's tiger fury (if that's the correct name of the skill)

[warped anchor]

The one that just gives you energy and a bit of damage increase?

[waxen meteor]

hoenstly i don;t know exactly what it does, but with a tiger icon

[warped anchor]

30 second

Probably wanna track feral frenzy though that's their burst

[waxen meteor]

yeah

it just get a big icon by default

[heady atlas]

tiger's fury

[waxen meteor]

I am doing a timewalk dungeon for fun

damn those DH tank mobility

[sharp sierra]

eu disconnects?

[light estuary]

do any of you macro thistle tea to any one of our abilities?

or does it just mess up if you spam it too much and use 2 at a time?

[warped anchor]

Could macro it to deathmark I guess but best just to press it separate

[dense thorn]

😂😂😂 to take a screenshot? Snipping tool?

[tribal bay]

man

some of these wizards

are overtuned as fk

its actually fried

[dense thorn]

Is there any good podcasts for wow? Pvp or pve.. want something to listen to

[potent pivot]

i actually remember a guy coming in here asking for volunteers to talk about rogue pvp on his podcast a while back

i can't find it

[potent pivot]

do you know about this discord server's podcast? it's really just pve related, but i believe all the recordings should be up on youtube

[waxen meteor]

Add the talent that doesn't work?

Nightstalk?

[potent pivot]

very true! slipped my mind

thank you ❤️

[jolly sierra]

i was going 0-3

till i got the decent healer

then 3-3

wtf happens in shuffle w healers

anyways, won cr so im happy

[fierce laurel]

What do paladins do that makes them immune to stun?

[jolly sierra]

blessing of sanctum

[fierce laurel]

It was holy.

[jolly sierra]

dunno then

ahhh

maybe was precognition?

[fierce laurel]

lmao wait

precog does CC aswell

I thought it was just interrupts

it was precog.

[jolly sierra]

yep

is w EVERY CC

[tacit crane]

Wait that's dumb wtf

[tacit crane]

Blessing of Protection makes them immune to physical, and kidney is physical

Maybe it's that?

[jolly sierra]

no, inmune, not removal

maybe tried to cheap shot and was straight inmune

[tacit crane]

Yeah, that's immune, he said immune

BoP doesn't remove stun, does it?

rogue's stuns particularly get countered by BoP, yeh

Could also be DS

[jolly sierra]

it removes, but is too obvious for players which aren't new

precognition however is hard to see if is not tracked

[fierce laurel]

It was certainly Precog.
Bop makes you immune to physical ccs like blind and kidney and you can cast it while cced by those things (I think only on yourself)

I know what bop looks like, I haven’t been paying attention to precog

[jolly sierra]

anyways, going to sleep

hope the streak stays well, need to get back every CR i've lost

cya guys

[waxen meteor]

it seems the healer MMR is hotfixed again?

my mage teammate just complained about teaming up with a 0 CP heal in solo out of nowhere

[jolly sierra]

ah now u are talking about that

didn't checked the CR, but was matched with a good healer and one of the worst i've seen in my last shuffle

the guy literal didn't healed anything in a burst window against a warrior

and just spammed random keys after having me dying and my comp shouting at him xdd

now yes, going to sleep bb

[waxen meteor]

I am looking forward to next week

get my 4 tier and hopefully can enjoy sin before any nerf arrives

[odd helm]

is sub good again?

SS

[dense thorn]

I saw one which is what makes me ask the question because that looked like it was only for the beta? Is it still ongoing?

[potent pivot]

it's usually every couple/few months, i'm honestly not sure

[proper heath]

Pve . Who knows in this channel

[dense thorn]

Who just hits environments anyway? Like fuck your tree

[potent pivot]

yeah it's always been good to be fair

[dense thorn]

Playing sub and then swapping to ass feels like easy mode though

[proper heath]

It doesn’t matter what button you press in pve , your rating can never go down only up

[dense thorn]

I’ll dot you. I’ll dot you. You trinekted I’ll stun you.. and you’re dead.

[potent pivot]

sub can be tankier

[potent pivot]

well, sorta

[dense thorn]

At a certain point it just stays the same

[potent pivot]

high end m+ is pretty difficult

[proper heath]

Imagine you lose M+ rating of you fail a key !

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

For me to get decent score I have todo 22s which aren’t the end of the world but also kind of meh

Raid is the boring part. Hit it enough times it dies.

[potent pivot]

yeah i just don't enjoy that type of content anymore

i raided cutting edge in SL

could basically memorize every global of each fight

[dense thorn]

I went from a only do raids in SL season 1… CE. Then I went from raid and m+ to I only want to m+ to pvp is way more fun

[sharp sierra]

pve players

[dense thorn]

I basically pvp now and then do the odd key (ok maybe 20 or so a week still)

[sharp sierra]

im gonna say it

💢

pve players almost always suck at pvp
pvp players are atleast decent in pve

[dense thorn]

Yep

Remember in an iron docks last season a glad pvp came in with all pvp stuff and assassination

Didn’t know shit but WAS BLASTING

problem for me is top title in pvp is way harder than top title for m+ which is sad.

[potent pivot]

well it depends on the person

but the majority i can see it i suppose

[waxen meteor]

Normally it takes a bit of reading for a decent PvP player to become a quite alright PvE player

[radiant glen]

aren't they both top 0.1%?

[dense thorn]

Pvp players normally have way more awareness and mechanical ability than the average pve

[dense thorn]

I think so but what I’m saying is I’m better at m+ lol

[waxen meteor]

You just need to know what boss does, and a skill cycle/stat priority etc.

[potent pivot]

but there's also a much larger population so that 0.1% is bigger

[radiant glen]

unfortunately I'm too shit for either

[waxen meteor]

tbh, PvE doesn't require you to know much about other classes

[dense thorn]

It does at high end

And if you tank

[waxen meteor]

I mean as DPS of course

Heal/Tank are different story

[dense thorn]

I tank and dps

Tanked more keys than dps tbh but yeah

Dps can just dps

[waxen meteor]

as a DPS, you don't necessarily need to know much about your teammate

[radiant glen]

trickz, do you have any titles?

[waxen meteor]

maybe monitor some utility skills

[dense thorn]

The only thing is to know if they pop then you hold for next pack (if it’s a long ass cd)

[warm lance]

Ok finally ive fixed all my stats

Now it only has the outliers from tier and trinkets

[dense thorn]

It’s dumb to use trinket and everyone pop on the same pack unless it’s giga big or something

Rogues just hit on cd though tbh

More a mage thing

Losers

[potent pivot]

pvp or pve?

[dense thorn]

He has ‘the faboulous’

[potent pivot]

i've only got CE titles

[dense thorn]

Not even top 100

What a noob

[radiant glen]

pv0

[potent pivot]

thought about going for the m+ one in SL but cba

[radiant glen]

pvp

**

[dense thorn]

I want legend title so badly 😭

It’s the best man Legend Loop

[potent pivot]

nah, i've never gone that hard for em

[radiant glen]

im a 2s enjoyer so the only title I ever get is "the elite" and its not even prestigious

r1 titles don't exist

[potent pivot]

i've also never had an actual solid 3s team, with enough lined up time to go for something like that

[dense thorn]

Until solo shuffle came out pvp was such a mess to get into.. barrier of entry was insane

[fierce laurel]

Will there be spec specific r1s in ss?

[dense thorn]

I think so

[radiant glen]

yes

crimson soloist

[sharp sierra]

half of the arena experience is sitting in lfg

[warm lance]

Its Crimson Legend

Same as you get the Legend title for 100wins past 2.4k in solo

[dense thorn]

So is m+

I think half the game is ‘group tinder’

When a friend says ‘imma do some keys, let’s voice’ it’s basically him applying to groups for an hour

[proper heath]

I don’t use tinder , what is swipe left ?

[dense thorn]

Swipe left is pve

[warm lance]

Man im actually kinda stoked. The only weapon enchant I have actually fits with the MT rog set

[dense thorn]

Do we know anything coming to trading post being pvp related?

[waxen meteor]

I honestly don't even know what trading post really is

[potent pivot]

i don't think so, you just do content every week and you get some sort of currency type deal

you get half just for logging in once a week, another half for doing a certain amount of game content iirc

they added some transmogs that are missing from the game to the trial of style vendor

such as certain boots that were just removed from the game for some reason

and different recolored mogs

[dense thorn]

Hopefully some fun stuff there. I haven’t been bothered to cosmetic farm in a long time. May start doing it inbetween shuffle queues tbh

[tribal bay]

why

are

0cr healers

getting put in 1800 lobbies against 1800 healers

ive had 3 in a row and gone 3-3 every time because the bad healer just gets 1 shot every round

is this happening to anyone else?

[warm lance]

Placement puts people at a kinda high MMR to start with

[dense thorn]

I also feel people getting bored of queues queue up as healer for fast queue then insta regret it lol

[potent pivot]

PvP Related Bugs:
Subtlety

"Replicating Shadows"
Replicating Shadows does not work with Deeper Stratagem or Finality.

[warm lance]

I just went 8 seconds without a single heal vs a DH+Assa team and the healer wasnt even CCd

Solo is so fun

[warm lance]

Theifs Bargain

[potent pivot]

indeed

[warm lance]

Ive found a different reason to really like having this rupture shenanigans going on

Mostly like it for the burst windows now, having finality version ticking

[potent pivot]

trying to find coding to work for the coloring was driving me mad already

[warm lance]

I keep fucking up my burst windows again though

[potent pivot]

yeah it can be good for that

[warm lance]

Boomer fingers

[potent pivot]

i'm really debating whether or not to put rotation information in what i'm working on atm

rotations can be very situational and also change with different talents etc

[warm lance]

Yeahh

But wE nEeD gUiDeS!

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

Sub hasnt been working out since the first week I played it

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

I was on fast track to rating, had a bad streak of games and now ive been stuck here

[dense thorn]

anyone got a no shit review of this mouse or an mmo mouse in general? Tempted to buy... https://www.razer.com/gb-en/gaming-mice/Razer-Naga-V2-Pro/RZ01-04400100-R3G1?utm_source=google&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=210101_RS_TXN_MID_UK_EGR-peripherals_TR&CID=210101_RS_TXN_MID_UK_EGR-peripherals_TR&gclid=Cj0KCQiAz9ieBhCIARIsACB0oGKvT5Pugo320iuUp_uD5M1J2c2KVe5jruWAkKmbLJ1bryb3JRxUnAgaAr_DEALw_wcB

[proper heath]

mmo mouse? the fk

What kinda lady hands do you have

[dense thorn]

huh?

[proper heath]

mmo mouse is the one with 12 buttons the side right?

[dense thorn]

i have 90000 keybinds

[potent pivot]

i love them

honestly

[proper heath]

I have man hands. I can't hit those little keys.

[potent pivot]

i have 2 different mmo mice

[dense thorn]

my keybinds are... 123456qertfghvcbzx` and also shift of all of these and even some alt stuff

[potent pivot]

i have a razer naga and a logitech

[dense thorn]

i want to free them man

[dense thorn]

oh this is a legit problem?

[proper heath]

My hands, and my penis. ARe too big for mmo mice. I'm sorry

LOL

[dense thorn]

notricks confirmed tiny penis

[potent pivot]

one thing i will note is razer nagas tend to go bad within ~1-2 years, but i have seen some last 4

[dense thorn]

i have a razer mamba atm

and this is like my 3rd or 4th one

[potent pivot]

guys

i work with my hands all day everyday

[dense thorn]

but the clicker is going on this one too lol

[potent pivot]

and i can use an mmo mouse just fine

it just takes getting used to

[dense thorn]

im trying to stop myself from buying a rtx 4090 tbh

[proper heath]

I bought a razor mamba when it came out. It was expensive as fuck. and it malfunctioned on me in 2 months. and I never touched razor again. Too much ptsd

[dense thorn]

a mouse will do that

[potent pivot]

if you want to go for a cheaper one

hang on

[dense thorn]

wtf im not a peasant

[potent pivot]

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwin4Zuu2-78AhWIjsgKHbCvAG0YABAMGgJxdQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESa-D2l2Hlya1Rn7P32CC10KQI2LPfaxULINQpkTcmpVFAdz5-PEok7mVodd6I5F7l8T7wcidJ1SllK2mYJsLrfFZDabDTnPJpQhOYma0WmHwSVp661rrnMfppj5pOKEO1lC0BR0seq7q7lLuj&sig=AOD64_2d4OeEDzfcRjAux869r9MG1UWYow&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjw8o-u2-78AhUtFlkFHb2aB_wQ9aACKAB6BAgHEA8&adurl=

[dense thorn]

is that wireless?

[potent pivot]

but it's also quite good

[dense thorn]

eww

[potent pivot]

it is not

this is what i use right now

[dense thorn]

i cant play with a wire anymore

also i play allot of fps so i like the interchangeable sides

i just dont like the price tag

[potent pivot]

complains about keybinds, complains about a wire

[dense thorn]

but a wire is ass for dps

fps

[potent pivot]

i have a naga pro which is wireless

[dense thorn]

yh the naga pro v2 wireless

[potent pivot]

fps? what?

[dense thorn]

first

person

pewpew

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

i have 5000 hours on CSGO

im god gamer

[potent pivot]

you don't really wanna use an mmo mouse for FPS anyway

[dense thorn]

it has changable sides

weight isnt that much worse

[potent pivot]

yeh

[dense thorn]

but is the mmo mouse actually useful

or is it a gimmick

[potent pivot]

it is

[dense thorn]

i heard allot dont use the side buttons for rotation anyway

[potent pivot]

i use mine for shit like sprint/evasion/cloak/feint/smoke bomb/duel

[dense thorn]

also will this run wow ? https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4090/

thinking of upgrading

[potent pivot]

-_-

[dense thorn]

yh this is what i want it for.. so many ass keybinds for rogue

[potent pivot]

some people use it for their actual rotation, there's no way i could do that

[dense thorn]

in all seriousness i am tempted to build a new pc.. i have a pretty decent budget but seems dumb to spend £4,000 on a setup to play wow arena lol

[potent pivot]

too much thumb mashing

i like it for off GCDs and longer CD abilities

[dense thorn]

id macro one button so it yelled 'haha noob you ded kekw'

[potent pivot]

because i can react much faster than hitting shift+something

[dense thorn]

yh my shadow dance is currently shift+q

[potent pivot]

yeah wow will run on a 1080gpu

[dense thorn]

and my blades shift+r

which is kind of ass to use

quickly

[dense thorn]

you try raiding ith that lol

-5 fps

free mount

POG

[potent pivot]

i got cutting edge with a 1030 homie

[dense thorn]

yh in shadowlands

dragonflight is literally negative fps

[potent pivot]

1030

[dense thorn]

for even top specs

[potent pivot]

yeah but that's mostly game side issues

[dense thorn]

which will never be fixed

if i get a 4090 i can play wow and OSRS together

[potent pivot]

i already do

with a 1660

[dense thorn]

Wow is mad annoying though.

I get 500 fps in one section

Then 4 in another

[potent pivot]

valdrakken has been rough

[dense thorn]

Valdrakken and also the raid

I benched myself for raid as it’s unplayable

[potent pivot]

i haven't stepped foot into this raid

[dense thorn]

Mythic sent h was last I did.

And it was like 7 fps gaming

When in m+ with HUGE pulls I’ll sit at 100+

Went nope

[jaunty osprey]

pog rank 4

[potent pivot]

[warm lance]

holy fuck im getting actual mongoloids in my games

People are just hitting whatever random shit

nobody dies cause therse no focus

[dense thorn]

nice 😄

you stream? I wanna watch some rogues

i really hate the way gladius looks, if i take my elvui arena frames and then take gladiusex and turn off everything except the cd/trinket what do i actually lose?

ill have the dr tracker there, cds there and trinket

[potent pivot]

Nothing I suppose

As long as you get all the info there that you want, it’s up to you

Personal preference

[dense thorn]

yh my ui is so clean

and then gladius is ruining my ocd

[potent pivot]

I’m actually tempted to find a good/make a player profile

[dense thorn]

for glad?

or in general

[potent pivot]

For pvp

[dense thorn]

i use naowhui with lots of changes

[potent pivot]

Because BigDebuffs I think is still throwing errors(?)

I like the vanilla plates, just dislike how small my debuffs are on them

[dense thorn]

cant play without elvui

wish i could but it just feels so weird after using elvui since like s2 legion

a good ui/interface is very very satisfying though

[warm lance]

I just have default ui with some WAs and a plater profile i found from somewhere

[tribal bay]

most badly optimized game i've ever played

i thought warzone was bad but wow is optimized like complete shit

[minor cape]

dude

i came to wow when they deleted ranked pvp in swtor

and wow runs much much better

[jaunty osprey]

Uhh not atm, I used to stream casually - name is the same as my discord

[minor cape]

it was so new to me when you queue a battleground and have more than 30 fps

🥹

[jaunty osprey]

[warm lance]

ngl kinda starting to get tired of this

[potent tiger]

I like your bars with the cooldowns is that omnibar setup to track each arena enemy

[potent pivot]

I believe that’s GladiusEx

[dusk spindle]

question as a sub rogue, when flagged is it bugged when my mastery says 106% during flag?

[warm lance]

I mean.. The skill gives you mastery..

[dusk spindle]

i only have 40% mastery

[warm lance]

Im losing hope

[long roost]

I’m in this picture n don’t like it

This week I’ve not had a single balanced game

1900 rating but random 900 healers on both sides so it’s a roll of the dice on who falls over first

Or one of the dps just dies instantly

[potent pivot]

it gives 2.5% per stack and caps at 30 stacks 2.5%*30= +75% mastery

[warm lance]

My ratings been on decline for weeks

Its always the same thing no matter what game I play with a ranked system

[proper heath]

?

[proper heath]

Huh?

[tight veldt]

I died last night in the first 2 second leg sweep I got hit by and my disc failed to PS, Barrier, rapture, leap, nothing.

Then yelled at me for not trinketing + cloak + evasion the first CC

5head I guess. Should’ve just trinketed

[long roost]

This happens a lot when it’s a low rating healer getting dragged around the wrong mmr

One thing that pisses me off is how people forget we have sap

And yeet at them allowing immediate combat saves

And I’m like, we’ll guess I’ll just garrotte…

[tight veldt]

Had a fury do this. Always zug zug behind the pillar.

Won 2 rounds just sapping the healer + kidney. Was funny as fuck and you KNOW the fury was malding

[potent pivot]

you'll get there homie, perseverance and practice

[warm lance]

Come to think of it dont think ive got saps in basically any round this entire week

[potent pivot]

i honestly think most lower-mid rated games would end in the opener if people would let rogues cc properly

[warm lance]

Everyone just yeets themselves into the map

Thats how it was on first 2 weeks

After that my ratings just been slowly going down

[tight veldt]

I’ve had luck with this lately tbh. Just saving my sub go for after healer wastes trinket and as long as my dps have 2 brain cells… ends in a win

[warm lance]

Hearing alot about rating inflation and whatever but Im having the opposite effect

[dense thorn]

Swtor still one of my fav games ever made. It’s more of a single player world though which is fine

[sharp sierra]

is ap better than standard spec into a melee lobby?

[potent pivot]

it's still kinda debatable whether or not it's better to be completely honest

[sharp sierra]

ok thanks

[dense thorn]

My cr just climbs just for the positive side of things.

Only in 2s have I lost like 600 rating because I just queue with friends and random specs but idc about that

[minor cape]

i did love the small ranked community it had except a couple of idiots but well rip

and single player was sick in swtors prime but not anymore tbh

[dense thorn]

It still is.. it’s just that most have played it now. I still do the sith warrior campaign every now and again for nostalgia

It’s still the best story/single player mmo to exist ever

[dense thorn]

I never enjoyed the pvp of swtor. It just felt clunky

[minor cape]

i played concealment operative mostly and now just play it's analog in wow. Although i found concealment's gameplay more fun than sub rogue, the overall pvp thing is much cooler

the swtor's pvp wasn't clunky, more like it was poorly optimized. But solo arenas were sick

constructed 4v4 was the most boring shit ever

anyways wrong chat

[azure cobalt]

Only 6 people out of top 50 assa players play arterial precision. Is it that bad? prop not worth giving up garrote damage and bone spike

[proper heath]

Youre giving up alot alot

No rogue played ART precision today in awc that I saw.

Mabe there was 1?

They did play it on friday tho. So it looks like they opted o8ut of it

[rose iris]

Guys can i play with bleed thing 3 min cd + bonespike

If so anyone have a build fot me with that?

[long roost]

Exsanguinate and bone spike?

Yeah it’s not much different to the default pin

Think pikaboo runs that build, cause the sudden uptick in bleed dmg catches people out regularly

[plain cape]

hello, which 4 poisons are u using for areenas>?

[grave basin]

Wound crip MN deadly

[plain cape]

ok thanks! was using atrophic

does hemotoxin stack with wound btw?

[rose iris]

Hm

[proper heath]

no that would be insane

[grave basin]

Do we change builds with or without 4pc?

Also, for assa we're giving up the gloves for conquest gloves is this correct?

Cause it's heavy haste

[rose iris]

Do i make legs chest shoulders and what as tier?

[plain cape]

ok one more. when using echoing sometimes i see one combo as a star and sometimes there are multiple. wherre do i get the 7 cp in each case?

[pallid sierra]

All of them

[plain cape]

aha so when i see multiple just one of them, thanks

and u mostly use it for rupture if u dont want a kill burst? also, if u exceed them where do u spend them?

[tight veldt]

ER baseline gives 1 blue CP that when consumed, acts as if it uses 7 cp.

The follow up node makes it so instead of 1 blue CP, you get 3.

Each consumes the blue CP, to deal 7 CP worth of effect (except kidney shot)

If you exceed just spend as normal, envenom, kidney, etc.

[worldly girder]

does lethality buff garrote crit tick damage by 10%/20%?

so many people seem to play without gouge high on ladder but it feels sooooo good to have gouge, especially with RPD

spriest stun into gouge into silence into clone on enemy healer is spicy

[sharp sierra]

[long roost]

Hands

[long roost]

Then you can run the pvp craft boots n hat

[potent pivot]

No

[long roost]

My only thought why you’d do that is if you took the lariat instead of the hat?

[grave basin]

What are the 4 pc peices then?

[sharp sierra]

m+ andies are so funny
they comment on my "rio score" but i out dps them on packs and st

[grave basin]

Helm gloves legs chest?

[long roost]

Everything but the head

[sharp sierra]

you cant make this shit up

[potent pivot]

What? ER should always empower 3 different combo points

[long roost]

Gloves legs chest shoulder

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[grave basin]

Why give up on tier head though?

Isnt it verse mastery

[potent pivot]

Crafted helm

Having a bit of haste is good

People focus way too hard on stat priorities like they can only stack 2 stats

[long roost]

Most people I’ve seen high rated are like 3/4K mastery and 1.5k haste

[potent pivot]

Because everyone is running the center helm and tier gloves

Some even run haste vers cloak over mastery vers cloak. Which is super minimal

[grave basin]

I see

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery

[potent pivot]

Having some of every stat isn’t a bad thing

[grave basin]

Thanks!

[potent pivot]

You’re welcome

[sharp sierra]

Should i be replacing backstab with gloom blade?

[potent pivot]

Some people do, some don’t

Depends on if you want more sustained damage or not

Running gloom and the rupture talent gives you decent damage outside of just your burst windows

[plain cape]

hmm i think sometimes i see only one tbh

[potent pivot]

Are you sure always using the proper ER talent?

You should always be using the Resounding Clarity talent under the ER talent

Not the Reverberation one