its not bad
#pvp
sterile vale
when do we press shiv?
spark egret
I get those 2
warm lance
Just the best melee dps in the game currently more or less
spark egret
I got like 0 -6
inner mist
what rank are u
shrewd canyon
when do we press shiv?
when u kidneey
sterile vale
Would shiv be like a shadow dance go?
shrewd canyon
no lol its assa
spark egret
arms and it isnt close
warm lance
Its Assa
shrewd canyon
Youre wrong lmao
warm lance
So every team clearly is running arms in the awc right
spark egret
no one cares about awc
radiant glen
if i had to rate melee
assa > DH > everything else
spark egret
solo shuffle is all that matters
warm summit
shrewd canyon
???????????????????????????
spark egret
since that's what most people are playing now
warm lance
Assa can kill you whenever it wants basically
spark egret
awc 0 viewers
warm lance
The damage is fucking stupid
warm lance
Sometimes you just have to accept that you're wrong when everybody else is saying something else bud
warm lance
Well guys, come back to this channel ina day or two after hataro is done again
warm lance
No, nobody just wants to try and deal with you
lost kayak
arms is top right now for sure
lost kayak
yeah in 3s
in 2s ele sham is a fucking nightmare to fight
especially with some healer that can cc lots like druid
so many knockbacks, roots, stuns, bullshit
cant stay on them for shit
spark egret
im only talking solo
lost kayak
well yeah 3s its easy
ele shams only have 1 braincell so cant focus on more than one offensive target
lost kayak
80% of player base is at 1600 not awc level
lost kayak
warrior is good at 1600
lost kayak
thats all that matters
shrewd canyon
ahhh yes of course 1600 players know more about the meta than pros
lost kayak
dieb define meta for me please
shrewd canyon
rmx/rpx
lost kayak
no, what does the word mean
radiant glen
shrewd canyon
Whats most effective
lost kayak
'whats most effective' is subjective dependent on who / what level of skill is playing it
spark egret
ahhh yes of course 1600 players know more about the meta than pros
I dont really think so
radiant glen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/989603141400002581/unk...
(credit to seli its literally pinned in OT and recycled daily)
lost kayak
in dota for example the win rates of certain heros is vastly different depending on ranks
its the same in wow
lost kayak
comps that win at wood tier don't win at pro tier
lost kayak
looking at awc for advice on your 1500 48% win/loss is bad
spark egret
its been really good in 3s even before all the nerfs
radiant glen
comps that win at wood tier don't win at pro tier
im telling u all we're gonna see disc/prot/arcane in awc
spark egret
not as much in solo but it feels better now than at the peak of DH/spriest
chrome schooner
Assa is S+ tier in every bracket
lost kayak
assa is great no doubt
but for the zone where the majorty of player base sits
arms is better
tell me I'm wrong
radiant glen
you're wrong
chrome schooner
It's really good in SoloQ as well, it simply sucks when you land in a lobby with Arms DH Ret or something and they run you down, but that would be the only one situation where it's not good right now
lost kayak
nah
chrome schooner
Arms is for sure really slept on still
shrewd canyon
tell me I'm wrong
Youre right but does that mean warrior is better? No
chrome schooner
Got hit 257k by one through Ironbark in arena
lost kayak
assa is stronger at awc
chrome schooner
"decent" damage
shrewd canyon
And do you wanna judge a class power when played by bad player or by good player?
lost kayak
i want to judge when played by the average player
spark egret
And do you wanna judge a class power when played by bad player or by good player...
there's a reason in league riot balances for both the top and low end
lost kayak
where the top of the bell curve is
shrewd canyon
Yeah but the average player is bad lol same as every other game
spark egret
but I think arms is just flat out better now .at all brackets
shrewd canyon
Its not
spark egret
well
lost kayak
bro 99% of people in this channel talking are below 2k
spark egret
maybe I'm wrong
lost kayak
why the convo about whats going on at 3k?
spark egret
lost kayak
makes no sense
warm lance
Arms is really good, people just treat them like theyre unkillable now when theyre not
rose iris
Got hit 257k by one through Ironbark in arena
by exeute?
warm lance
My games got alot easier on it after the patch when 90% of the lobbies just decided to ignore me on it
However with 4set my Assa games just got giga easier aswell
chrome schooner
by exeute?
Mortal Strike
drowsy monolith
crying my eyes out with 3 set
rose iris
Mortal Strike
Big 
warm lance
I had to get lfr pants for 4set
feels bad but next catalyst im upgrading my pvp pants to tier anyway
warm lance
Its strong enough that it is
spark egret
My games got alot easier on it after the patch when 90% of the lobbies just deci...
ye me too
hardest games I have is when I get focused
if they leave me alone just fuck their ass
echo canyon
is it always better to wear 4set as assa in pvp even if those pieces are not from pvp?
jolly sierra
However with 4set my Assa games just got giga easier aswell
can confirm, the bleeds are frightening af
warm lance
if you have 2 or 3 pieces from pvp tier or atleast hc raiding yes
jolly sierra
so ppl just run away
warm lance
one from lfr and one from HC raiding
definitely worth using
spark egret
hmm
do I like MA
or no
@warm lancewith 4pc
are you running exsang
in solo?
warm lance
Im trying it out right now
spark egret
I've been running exsang to deal with evokers or anyone removing my bleeds
warm lance
Im running Zoldyck so I took it for the execute windows
I actually didnt like playing without sbs anyway
Im most likely changing it around next time I do solo
wicked tide
For you sub solo shuffle rogues.. are you finding yourself using kidney shot on healer for cc, or cheaping healers on goes and kidneying kill targets?
spark egret
wtf
I just went 4-2
got rating unchanged
when im under the mm avg?
oh
nvm
my shit is looking weird
it was the other way around
for some reason it showed the mm avg as my mmr and showed my mmr as the avg
also, has anyone noticed queues are alot shorteer
dusty field
anyone have full screenshot of what subtlety spec looks like? :o too low level to fully import it, just want to see whats used.. only see assassination specs screenshotted
wicked tide
dusty field
thank you!
wicked tide
im playing fleet footed but most are playing unbreakable stride
this is what EU sub rogues are playing which according to what ive been hearing are more invested in making sub work then NA rogues
sterile vale
Isn't exsang better than MA on assa?
potent pivot
watcha need?
potent pivot
anyone have full screenshot of what subtlety spec looks like? :o too low level t...
you can import all of the builds in the pins into a talent calculator on wowhead.com to preview
dusty field
i didnt know that thank you
potent pivot
Isn't exsang better than MA on assa?
kinda subjective tbh, neither of them are great
potent pivot
one from lfr and one from HC raiding
yes, run it
potent pivot
bro 99% of people in this channel talking are below 2k
i mean this is just objectively false if talking about the people who utilize the #pvp channel
tawny kestrel
is it possible to exclude someone from a specific channel
was so nice when he wasn’t typing in here
tawny kestrel
gg
potent pivot
i'd prefer if everyone felt welcome
but sometimes there's a bad apple here or there
spark egret
bro raz
we can disagree on shit
we're not bots who all have t o think the same way
I'd literally be bored out of my mind if you all agreed with me
lost kayak
nah what you really want is complete groupthink with any divergence banned
potent pivot
absolutely not
spark egret
ill try and not be insufferable
potent pivot
but it's also very possible for you to have an opinion without being aggressive or rude about it
spark egret
sometimes I just like arguing
tawny kestrel
theres a difference between having a different opinion and just saying things that are factually wrong
spark egret
just for the sake of it
its a video game
there's no "being factually wrong"
if I said some shit like
I dunno
garrote does instant damage and doesnt apply a dot
thats factually wrong
disagreeing on which classes are top tier is more subjective
tawny kestrel
saying arms warrior is better than assa rogue at the moment is factually wrong
tawny kestrel
but whatever not gonna argue with you
spark egret
I think assa is in a much better position now than like
3 weeks ago
so glad I dont have to deal with broken havoc and spriest every single match
also my queues today have been giga short
tawny kestrel
yes they changed how healers work
wicked tide
im down bad right now, down from 2500 to 2100 playing this EU sub build
spark egret
yes they changed how healers work
what they change?
wicked tide
no CDR feels so bad
tawny kestrel
healer and dps mmr are 2 different things now
you can have 2k healers in 2.4 cr dps lobbies
as an example
its both good and bad
spark egret
warped anchor
Yeah it's miserable as a healer
tawny kestrel
it gets really frustrating having a bad healer in high cr lobbies
and they just die or let their team die
cus they dont know whats happening
warped anchor
I'm 2.2 on my shaman and got put in a 2.7 lobby
wicked tide
@tawny kestrel you playing CDR or dark brew when queing as sub?
tawny kestrel
dark brew
wicked tide
mostly kidney kill targets or healers in shuffles? im just struggling so hard with no cdr but everyone saying brew is better
hearty bane
switching to brew costed me 400cr today 😦 i guess its the question of getting used to
wicked tide
thats where im at brother
hearty bane
still not sure if I want to get used to brew lol
I suck regardless, but at least with the rotten I can suck and be able to output at least something xD
potent pivot
if you don't like the playstyle you should play what you prefer
wicked tide
Its the CDR for me, resetting a kick for a kill, or kidney shot, or that extra step to get a go going, quicker blind, reset my feint to keep myself alive
hearty bane
if you don't like the playstyle you should play what you prefer
yeah coulndt say better
potent pivot
there's very little difference in top players' success with both builds
wicked tide
i do notice the damage difference tho
yea i see some EU rogues even runnig reverb with no secret tech
potent pivot
it's nearly half CDR/half DB
wicked tide
avidance or w/e
tawny kestrel
mostly kidney kill targets or healers in shuffles? im just struggling so hard wi...
healers
spark egret
nah
wintry dew
Can someone explain me how monks in arenas are FoF left and right
spark egret
I uh didnt gaincause I was higher than the avg
wintry dew
its seems that shit has no cd
spark egret
it just looked weird
long shore
healers
Raz won’t the target come out of the cheapshot by the time you send the secret technique? Dance > cheap > evis > kyrian > secret tech. That’s 3 globals from the cheapshot starting, so you usually have time to recheap so all the dmg goes off?
dense thorn
Is skillcapped worth?
dense thorn
@dense dock ping ping.. wondering if you’re on with those gladiator audio screenshots for me?
potent pivot
i've never checked out the paid stuff on skill capped so i can't really speak for it, but they do a lot of free info on their youtube channel too
dense thorn
Allot of it seems kind of dumb from what I see that is for like learning the game in general
potent pivot
yeah
it's nothing you can't learn by just putting the time in and talking to people
dense thorn
Yeah I just annoy everyone here for free
potent pivot
tawny kestrel
Raz won’t the target come out of the cheapshot by the time you send the secret t...
yes, if u want to actually 100>0 some1 like that then u have to kidney
can work at lower rating
but at high rating u kinda just play to win on damage and forcing cds
dense thorn
I played against a resto Druid earlier and I literally put garrotte on him and rupture and he died
tawny kestrel
its quite rare that u get a kill by doing the biggest setup
dense dock
<@156983798272098304> ping ping.. wondering if you’re on with those gladiator au...
dealing with work right now, gimme a moment and I'll shot them your way
dense thorn
He didn’t hit a single key lol
dense thorn
Then next round. I sat him and he trinketed my sap instantly so I just killed him in a kidney
long shore
but at high rating u kinda just play to win on damage and forcing cds
I understand. Thanks for clarifying. But like you said at higher rating you usually kidney healers, so you just send the damage in a cheapshot and hope they panic trinket or use a defensive ?
tawny kestrel
I understand. Thanks for clarifying. But like you said at higher rating you usua...
they will have to use defensives, nothing to do with panic
dense thorn
dealing with work right now, gimme a moment and I'll shot them your way
Ty my dude. You may want to dm them because I have a feeling it’s allot 😂
Unless you have Uber long monitor
dense dock
I'm a 2560x1440 gamer 🙂 it'll be like 3 ss's
dense thorn
Apparently there is a way to export a profile from the addon folder too
But I have no clue
dense dock
in Lua format yeah
dense dock
LOL
long shore
they will have to use defensives, nothing to do with panic
Ah I see. If you kidney kill target is your rotation : dance > kidney > shadow strike > kyrian > stec?
dense thorn
This fucking lobby had 2 rets and a holy pala.
tawny kestrel
Ah I see. If you kidney kill target is your rotation : dance > kidney > shadow s...
no
kidney > dance > evis > kyrian > cold blood > secret tech > shadowstrike > evis
long shore
kidney > dance > evis > kyrian > cold blood > secret tech > shadowstrike > evis
Thanks so much 🙏
If you cheapshot then it’s different right. Dance > cheap > evis > kyrian > cold blood > secret technique > into recheap > shadow strike > evis?
tawny kestrel
if u want to make sure theyre stunned the whole time then u 2nd cheap shot before secret technique
a lot of the time if a game goes on long enough u can eventually just win by doing damage
long shore
if u want to make sure theyre stunned the whole time then u 2nd cheap shot befor...
So stunning right after kyrian again, before sending the cold blood + secret technique ya?
long shore
Oh sweet I think I finally understand now!
My rotation was wrong the entire time, thanks for the tip
tawny kestrel
np
long shore
Ideally you only do goes when secret technique is off cool-down right. No point stunning and popping dance + evis ?
Dance charges feels precious
tawny kestrel
just send kidney > gouge on healer off cd
never know what happens in solo shuffle
so no reason not to
long shore
I’ve never thought of kidney gouging healer. Been always using cheapshot and it feels too short
potent pivot
there's room to get non-sec tech goes off in between
long shore
Okay 👌🏻 long cc chains on healer, and let your zug teammate do the leg work 🙂
I just hate it when they triple DR stun when stun DR is like 1-2 seconds from falling off. Looking at you DH / Wars and DEMO LOCKS ffs
Demos just love sending that DR axe toss all the time
Into a triple DR shadow fury. Cause why not
tawny kestrel
basically just send cc on healer off cd and do whatever damage u can outside of ur dances
keeping rupture up is good obviously
living for a bit is rly good for sub so u get more chances to make ppl fuck up
dense dock
Ty my dude. You may want to dm them because I have a feeling it’s allot 😂
this is harder than it looked.... it just reset all of mine
lime ermine
Hey was curious....for RBG'S would you say assassination or outlaw best spec?
lime ermine
sweet thanks! been on classic the last few years and getting into this now so been trying to figure out the specs etc...thanks for the input! appreciate it a ton!
minor cape
@hearty bane altered that pinned build a little
so it is possible to open with a stun
maybe fleet footed not as good as i think but yeah
what you think @potent pivot would this work in suffle?
shuffle*
hearty bane
wow, cool, thanks! gonna test this one on a dummy real quick
minor cape
you can now go like gouge - dance - kidney so you don't leave room for defensives
hearty bane
you can now go like gouge - dance - kidney so you don't leave room for defensive...
I have literally never opened with a gouge in my life lol
hearty bane
broadening my mind here
minor cape
oh also what i found with this one
you dont really have to do instant tech
because more macabre stacks = more damage
so you can kinda evis - backstab - secret tech after er
if it doesn't land
well i still have to try it in shuffle
hearty bane
I am practicing going secret tech after ER today as well
it doesnt seem to always stay on a blue combat point though
this is what I ended up with
i mean damagewise
minor cape
hmm
i have like
200k of eviscerates after the go
maybe its dark brew
oh wait it doesnt affect evis right?
sinful ingot
Where can I find a guide on how to burst and how to sustain as assassination? Current guides assume too high a level of knowledge to be useful to me
sinful ingot
it's "draw the rest of the owl" bullshit
unborn portal
you want to maintain dots
hearty bane
oh fuck wait I wasnt going dark brew
i was switching between two builds and ended up on my old one
unborn portal
shiv before you slam envenoms
hearty bane
200k of eviscerates after the go
do you have like 120% mastery?
sinful ingot
you want to maintain dots
unborn portal
unborn portal
ok ok do you want like an opener for just 1 person and assuming you're going all in?
or
sinful ingot
Like assuming I've popped out of stealth, gotten garrotes spread around and spears/ruptures going
now what
that's the part I can't figure out
unborn portal
kidney off diminishing return kill target
spend your ER points on envenoms
during the kidney
sinful ingot
Where does deathmark and exsang fit into this?
hidden sierra
is macroing shadow dance and shadow blades together a good move? (never touched rogue before ever)
sinful ingot
or thistle teas
hearty bane
but evis does hit hard with that dark brew path
yeah on the sample I did just one evis. Repeated with dark brew version and got +- the same. But thats just a training dummy tryout and just up to secret tech
hidden sierra
ait ty
hearty bane
just pure gouge dance cheap kyrian tech
minor cape
just pure gouge dance cheap kyrian tech
no no no need to gouge if you cheap
hearty bane
macro it with symbols of death
I have a macro on symbols + use trinket + tech
oh and cold blood
hearty bane
Aight so:
- cheap
- dance
- kidney
- Kyrian
- shadow blades
- Use trinket + symbols + cold blod + secret tech
- shadow strike
- evis
- shadow strike
- evis
- dance
- shadow strike
- evis
- shadow strike
- evis
- shadow strike
- evis
- shadow strike
- evis
fierce laurel
is macroing shadow dance and shadow blades together a good move? (never touched ...
No you need to be able to blades in stealth
hearty bane
using your build @minor cape
fierce laurel
Aight so:
- cheap
- dance
- kidney
- Kyrian
- shadow blades
- Use trinket + symb...
Blades before kyrian.
hearty bane
oh let me try that
minor cape
Blades before kyrian.
tight veldt
Aight so:
- cheap
- dance
- kidney
- Kyrian
- shadow blades
- Use trinket + symb...
not worth full stacking CP for invis? just alternating SS --> Evis?
minor cape
the only thing that bothers me here is we dont have invigorating shadowdust
but dark brew path better than rotten tbh
fierce laurel
He has 6 max and is getting 4 from ss so perhaps not on this situation.
tight veldt
hmmmm makes sense
hearty bane
did on a training dummy so the goal was mostly to see that 30% damage increase from finality
tight veldt
Cheap --> Dance --> Kidney wasted kidney with just CPs from cheap?
tight veldt
you still have 0 CP to kidney
tight veldt
unless ur prepping 6 CPs, and THEN doing that
hearty bane
@minor cape understands me better than I understand myself
minor cape
<@229314929159569408> understands me better than I understand myself
you just sleepy
tight veldt
thats what i mean, was hard to understand because just stating even Gouge -> Dance -> Kidney makes it sound like ur opening with it. There's 1 CP from Gouge into a kidney
minor cape
and dont let the guy out of stun
tight veldt
I missed that point when i was comparing the spec
jesus
I didnt catch you swapped the point from shadowstep
errr from the step cdr
minor cape
maybe you can just cheap shot and pray for blue combo point 🤓
if you dont want that point
tight veldt
does veiltocuhed add %Magic to all abilities? or only abilities that laready do magic?
hidden sierra
No you need to be able to blades in stealth
ah, so it's like doubletap and trueshot, ty
tight veldt
Veiltouched "your abilities deal 5% increased magic damage"
Dark brew "nature + bleed = shadow dmg"
tight veldt
I feel like Veiltouched would be of more value since it would add %Magic to ALL abilties, instead of just 10% shadow daamage on poisons + rupture
minor cape
not tested
tight veldt
but that depends on how VT interacts... the verbage is weird
hearty bane
probably can get rid of replicating shadows in that case. Assuming it is a mathematical oneshot cheese build
so f* rupture
tight veldt
plus VT is increasing the shadowdmg from the evis talent, and technically the rupture talent
minor cape
well thats why i want to try this instead
of secret tech
as there is more sustained
tight veldt
theoretically could even go gloomblade?
tight veldt
minor cape
maybe no need in those two dance points
oh wait nah
you need it to take two vanishes
tight veldt
sacrifice vanish shield?
depending opener, you theoretically could dodge the +4 CP on Dance for Gloomblade
minor cape
naaah
tight veldt
just means you gouge --> dance --> SS --> kidney
minor cape
vanish shield is really good
potent tiger
what race are yall liking these days
minor cape
what race are yall liking these days
irl?
tight veldt
Like this?
potent tiger
lol
potent tiger
NE still best or is something else good, like DI dwarf?
tight veldt
VT > Dark Brew here as it increase Gloomblade, Evis, and Rupture damage by 5%
minor cape
di dwarf really good
tight veldt
versus Dark brew increasing Posion + Rupture
tight veldt
this way you sac +4CP Dance for vanish shield, and it changes rotation to gouge -> dance -> SS -> Kidney
minor cape
its not good cause you let target out of stun for 1 gcd
maybe cheap dance then
will try tommorow
unborn portal
NE still best or is something else good, like DI dwarf?
ne best offensive di dwarf best defense
tight veldt
additonal vanish for subter
tight veldt
pretty sure you can macro meld + stealth
minor cape
yeah but you wont vanish 😦
tight veldt
meld drops combat doesnt it?
tight veldt
So yeah, if you macro meld + stealth its a vanish for Subterfuge
minor cape
meld drops combat doesnt it?
yeah but any dot and youre out
unborn portal
thats not the point adskaya
unborn portal
ye
minor cape
yeah you want subter
unborn portal
which is fine
minor cape
for cheap
tight veldt
feel like gloomblade w/ veiltouched over darkbrew is better.
tawny kestrel
u mostly take dark brew for the rupture damage
tight veldt
but Veiltouched is still gonna increase the magic portion of Ruptuire by 5% anyways
tight veldt
Veil = Evis, Rupture, Gloomblade (if you take in my case)
dark = wound + rupture
tawny kestrel
rupture isnt magic damage unless u take dark brew
tight veldt
thats why im saying, 5% increase to Evis, Gloom, Shadowblades, and Rupture versus just rupture?
spark egret
tawny kestrel
if u want a tiny bit more sustain sure go for gloomblade
spark egret
STOP BOOLI THE SHAMANS GUYS
tight veldt
@tawny kestrel this is juist what i was thinking
tawny kestrel
if u wanna put more damage on backstab then by all means go for it
tight veldt
just adds more dmg outside of dance anyways tho right? not exactly sacrificing anything during burst?
or am i missing something
tight veldt
whole point is to CC during downtime, and burst during Stech windows so wouldnt this make Stech AND sustain stronger at cost of some rupture damage?
hearty bane
versus Dark brew increasing Posion + Rupture
Wait Dark Brew increasing not only poison + rupture, it also affects all shadow damege in general, meaning shadowstrike etc
tight veldt
shadowstrike is physical?
tawny kestrel
just adds more dmg outside of dance anyways tho right? not exactly sacrificing a...
youre sacrificing rupture damage during ur burst
hearty bane
it says physical in logs, but I was assuming from the name lol. Also I crit shadowstrike from stealth 15k with dark brew, 10 without
tawny kestrel
and u lose 10% dmg on the shadow part of evis
tight veldt
well actually true you do trade 10% for 5% with veil
tawny kestrel
and 10% of 2nd + 3rd hit of secret tech
tight veldt
does VT make EVERYTHING do 5% magic? or just increase just your magic in general?
im assuming the later but; never know with this game
hearty bane
well actually true you do trade 10% for 5% with veil
I have both, yay
tight veldt
okay okay so ye VT def not worth in any case when Dark brew is there.
tawny kestrel
well u drop weaponmaster to take veiltouched
uneven grove
why da fck Blizo doesn't play spear
tight veldt
lawl rogue lowest damage
doesnt need nerf
nerf ret + arms. Hammer stun too strong
swift yacht
lawl rogue lowest damage
feel the same
i'm hitting like a wet noodle
while some random arms hit me with mortal strike for 100k
and ret deletes people in seconds
tight veldt
1 shot by final teckoning? nerf kidney
vapid root
im gonna be sad when assa gets nerfed again
vapid root
they better not destroy the spec like in season 1 and 2 of sl
swift yacht
i was almost challenger 2, now im ~1200
xD
even trying assa, but it's sometimes even worse
minor cape
i just really like it and im not having fun on anything elsd
hearty bane
and now im 1500
any idea what exactly was wrong with it? or its just bad luck with zugzug lobbies?
minor cape
also i hate assa its boring as shit
minor cape
any idea what exactly was wrong with it? or its just bad luck with zugzug lobbie...
tbh bad luck
had a shit ton of 3-3, couple of 4-2, couple of 2-4
hearty bane
I went from 1500 to 1000 after I changed my transmog, how about that
minor cape
winrate 50% this week but -250 mmr smh
swift yacht
any idea what exactly was wrong with it? or its just bad luck with zugzug lobbie...
Personally im having two types of ques. Either im in great que and go 4+/0, or im in bullshit lobby with no healing at all, bear tank or war/ret which deletes people
hearty bane
oh, same!
swift yacht
and against chonky enemies i feel useless as subtely
minor cape
naaah against warrior you just have to do echoing with reverberation
hearty bane
Personally im having two types of ques. Either im in great que and go 4+/0, or i...
It feels like lots of people became tankier after the trinket update. It's been so long since I last saw a squishy WW monk or someone ilke that
swift yacht
naaah against warrior you just have to do echoing with reverberation
tried it, occasionaly hit 100k but thats all
minor cape
thats how you kill wars
swift yacht
but war pops wall and you're screwed
hearty bane
i killed a war on bladeedge mountaint arena by sapping and blinding and gouging his heal
minor cape
but its okay you still can kite him
minor cape
and disarm
im having most trouble with balance druid as he is not one shottable anymore
swift yacht
there's always a solution of course, but for me personally works best to go with max survi evis build but still the damage is terrible
minor cape
when will they sub muh sub rogud
unborn portal
he hit someone when I was on his team for 130k
swift yacht
at least assa have pressure
minor cape
😢
tight veldt
sub = cc pressure
swift yacht
diminishing returns
minor cape
yeah thats how i win shuffles mostly
by stunning or duel or bomb
but still damage TOO LOW
tight veldt
i stopped worrying about damage, and listened to Raz and focused on control outside of damage windwos and win more soooo
hearty bane
but still damage TOO LOW
well you only need so much to land a kill
like 400k is enough. I've seen too many ferals or udks doing their 4m damage to end up dead
minor cape
yeah, sub is not about dealing most damage
more like most damage in a healer stun
still that evis build thing looks like more damage in a go
tight veldt
kidney + gouge healer on CD... you'll win eventually
minor cape
than rotten
minor cape
yeah i need one more piece for that set
then evis build will be insane
great vault fucking sucks
🥹
hearty bane
honestly after trying out your build with the Dark Brew I am not sure if The Rotten is that good
like it's only 2 shadow strikes a minute
tight veldt
ive grown to like DB better
hearty bane
and okay, +4cp twice a minute
minor cape
rotten also gives you shadowdust
on that path
thats the best thing about it
not sure if we can ditch something for shadowdust w this build 🤔
tight veldt
no awc
mage just got 1 shot by arms + ret
oh sorry, like 60% to dead in like 1 secods
minor cape
oh oke makes sense
tight veldt
Bladestorm w/ Unhinged just killed mage from 60% - 0 in 1 sec of bladestorm
tight veldt
nerf kidney 
minor cape
nerf ench shaman
unborn portal
feral borst
minor cape
💪
tight veldt
20k crusader strike? nerf ret
swift yacht
but still damage TOO LOW
switched to assa
waaaay better but im more delicate
compared to sub
swift yacht
i'm frustrating a lot when i cant do anything to win
dot classes are fun tho
but the worst part of subtely for me is my overall damage done after match, after recent disci buffs i often see myself in thier damage range
while as assa i can keep up with others with the damage
minor cape
yeah, thats what makes me sad in shuffle too
swift yacht
maybe its a skill issue, i wont say no
swift yacht
havent played against any since start of 10.0.5 xD
minor cape
but disc is too much
swift yacht
but i remember being hit by instant flame breath for 170k
minor cape
well disc can 100 to 0
swift yacht
i spent almost a week refining subtely build just to get conclusion that the damage sucks xD
hearty bane
Demon Hunters in RSS are so chad they dont even use their whatever-vision when paired agains rogues lmao
minor cape
they do use it
swift yacht
in 1200-1300 bracket they do use it
there's not many buttons even with vision bind XD
minor cape
you just hide behind pillar and sap him
hearty bane
in 1200-1300 bracket they do use it
thats exactly where I am 🙂 and yeah, he uses it after the sap
swift yacht
you just hide behind pillar and sap him
unless they charge with immo aura which have bullshit area xD
minor cape
then you just shadowstep him and killllllll
swift yacht
ekhm
hearty bane
and then they one-shot me with a double jump
minor cape
we do in fact have huge burst damage
you do like 700k in a go
in a dance
its the sustained that sucks
😦
hearty bane
and the fact that its not a training dummy Im going against 😦
minor cape
if stun
unborn portal
but the worst part of subtely for me is my overall damage done after match, afte...
I find it more fun to win as sub with low damage
intentional cc chains / intended damage >>>>> pumping damage but not getting a kill
unborn portal
you can also pump damage with rupture build; not like assa but pretty high
swift yacht
you can also pump damage with rupture build; not like assa but pretty high
i have to try it out, heard about it
unborn portal
@warm lance changed his name in this discord after playing it since he liked it so much
lmao
minor cape
the thing i found works best is you open on the squishiest dude in ss get his trinket and walls
then on second go kill him
in duel or bomv
hearty bane
you can also pump damage with rupture build; not like assa but pretty high
Rupture build for sub is like replicating shadows and thats it?
minor cape
with blind on healer
minor cape
Rupture build for sub is like replicating shadows and thats it?
also 4 piece set
hearty bane
oh okay
unborn portal
2k
swift yacht
till the end and beyond 
minor cape
damn
hearty bane
because for me its either rupture is shit because I do 700-800k dmg per round, or I can go ful rupture like a feral druid and have like 1.2m, not sure if it is getting me closer to getting a kill
minor cape
did you only play that one?
minor cape
when secret tech?
potent tiger
do I have to shiv before I put dots on or is it retroactive and I should shiv after dots are up
unborn portal
when paired with melee / borst damage class
overwhelming burst
rupture for longer games
unborn portal
Idk what pika runs atm
minor cape
can you please show yours?
minor cape
https://gyazo.com/5bfcf93c184fd42ceace4c5df68a7a27?token=ccb2a8434746693e0653f8c...
fucking blizzard forces people to play a pve build or something
tight veldt
ahhhh dude playing with DHs who just stun becasue tey can is so tilting
like fucker let me kidney gouge
unborn portal
swift yacht
https://gyazo.com/5bfcf93c184fd42ceace4c5df68a7a27?token=ccb2a8434746693e0653f8c...
tried it on dummy, i like it
unborn portal
I’m stepping out 
minor cape
tight veldt
minor cape
@unborn portal but why no aoe rupture
mental latch
whats rogue total healing reduction with hemotoxin? does it stack
minor cape
yup i was also thinking if fleet footed is worth it or wound poison thing is better
cinder flame
Hello guys, do you have e rotation for the assasinat plz
swift yacht
Hello guys, do you have e rotation for the assasinat plz
its in assa-faq xd
warm lance
whats rogue total healing reduction with hemotoxin? does it stack
Doesnt stack
spark egret
Sadge
lost kayak
guys anyone know anything about evoker tell me why my healer is in melee like 80% of the time
he does this divebomb like every 15s but gets punished repeatedly
says its an integral part of rotation
tight veldt
no shot in hell did i just get queued with a prot warrior AND then a guardian
guarantee'd 2 losses... guardian + sub rogue? what fucing damage
wise breach
guys anyone know anything about evoker tell me why my healer is in melee like 80...
That's pretty much how evokers play, their biggest heals is Verdant Embrace which takes you to your target
And all their other heals are 30yd range
With that said, he can try to time it so he doesn't get in trouble, but evokers are not going to be hugging a pillar and playing at max range like most other healers
warm lance
is hemotoxin a wasted talent then?
No way
tight veldt
whats the addon for match history + mmr?
minor cape
Brodda wants to make a blacklist
tight veldt
xD
minor cape
for every man in solo shuffle he played with
minor cape
fax
tight veldt
apparently gouge + kidney on a healer makes their brain shut off
tight veldt
tbh, i just dont like the amount of brain power i have to use on sin to stay alive, multi dot, and try to cc
figured out playing for cc setups and burst windows is more my forte
warm lance
Thats why I like playing the rupture sub thing
I can keep up ruptures on the 2 melee and just do CC shit
minor cape
apparently gouge + kidney on a healer makes their brain shut off
also sometimes smoke bomb makes healers lag
brain lag
minor cape
Thats why I like playing the rupture sub thing
going to try that stuff tommorow
tight veldt
I instant killed a ww last night in the initial sap
healers brain 100% malfunctioned when i kidney + bombed the ww and he died
tight veldt
minor cape
damn man
tight veldt
i mean mate im a low cr andy. But getting better
warped anchor
how does exsanguinate work exactly? it just seems to half the duration but not increase the damage, at least from the bleed tooltips
minor cape
yeah, its for burst
tight veldt
how does exsanguinate work exactly? it just seems to half the duration but not i...
makes it tick faster
warped anchor
so those half duration bleeds tick twice as fast?
minor cape
y
warped anchor
i see
tight veldt
so that stuff is working
honeslt spend 65% of my game CCing, and hiding behind pillars. Wait for healer to waste trinket, and then kidney + gouge + blind and kill the dps w/ stech
by the time healer trinkets, usually they wasted defensives, and the dps just oogabooga theirs
minor cape
but thats what you usually do as sub
except now you also do damage outside of go
nice
minor cape
yeah you can still backstab
sharp sierra
farming honor in bgs is fucking atrocious
back pedalling m+ andies out damage me and outheal me
warped anchor
gl winning skirms with no gear
sharp sierra
warriors critting 90k executes
disc priests 1v1ing me
dks kiting and still killing me
this game
warped anchor
not true
sharp sierra
yeah not being able to 1v1 healers is crazy
warped anchor
rogues are always good in bgs
warped anchor
you're not supposed to kill healers 1v1 without dampening
sharp sierra
yeah i forgor
tight veldt
nothing more satisfying than watching the enemy warrior zug zug behind a pillar whle oyu sap spam the healer and he dies
kick
kek
tight veldt
F
minor cape
it doesnt seem that good
wise breach
whats the addon for match history + mmr?
Reflex
minor cape
we have this passively as sub and we dont take it half the time
i mean like passively on any target
mental latch
if you go hemotoxin would you spec fleetfooted instead of improved wound?
tight veldt
time for more kidney 
fierce laurel
Is kicking penance still a thing? My mod does show it count as an interrupt.
Doesn’t *
alpine axle
You can kick penance yes
Your teammate probably missed his kick so the pvp talent kicked in right beforehand
graceful ravine
nahj playing AP as rmp
unique lance
shiv build is better?
graceful ravine
unique lance
i see some rogues runnin it at awc
graceful ravine
well drake is winning
personally i dont see how nahj gets value out of AP running rmp lol
empty mist
haven't had to worry about this in a while but - will having one raid, one, M+, and one PVP slot net me 6 tokens or 2 from vault?
mental latch
You run imp wound and hemo
If they don’t stack then isn’t it a wasted talent? The only difference is wound isn’t instantly stacked but it doesn’t take long to build it up
graceful ravine
2100 now is like 2400+ any other season right? feed me some hopium
worthy crag
for SL standards sure
I think SL s1~s3 were a league of their own in terms of inflation(as well as BFA s4) so you gotta look at em separately
but if you compare now to like bfa season 2, its prob not too different
graceful ravine
anyone got glad in SL remember what rank # 2400 was?
i recall it was around 500-1k but i cant remember
worthy crag
p sure it was like 9k or something in unchained
graceful ravine
LOL
warm lance
If they don’t stack then isn’t it a wasted talent? The only difference is wound ...
Its Sharpen Blade. Use it for kill windows
graceful ravine
rn #500-1000 is 2300-2100
graceful ravine
ya
unique lance
personally i dont see how nahj gets value out of AP running rmp lol
any chance its more single target than the standard build?
potent pivot
@cinder flame @swift yacht while the fundamental concepts are similar, the rotations in #assassination-faq are meant for PVE, and the rotation for PvP can be different.
cosmic seal
Why are the ladders deflated ?
worthy crag
RSS soaked people away from 3s and 2s
potent pivot
do I have to shiv before I put dots on or is it retroactive and I should shiv af...
it's dynamic, so technically you can do it before or after. it varies situationally.
graceful ravine
prob end of awc
warm lance
I should be trying to do the mage tower but im too lazy aa
warped anchor
when does mage tower end?
worthy crag
are the rewards different from SL mage towers?
potent pivot
anyone got glad in SL remember what rank # 2400 was?
it varied each season
potent pivot
when does mage tower end?
never
potent pivot
I should be trying to do the mage tower but im too lazy aa
apparently it's easier rn than it was in SL, from what i'm hearing
tier set bonus works in MT this time around i think
icy canyon
Dang bro go get some fresh air 😂
warm lance
apparently it's easier rn than it was in SL, from what i'm hearing
I last did it in Legion
urban creek
I thought for a second you used recount instead of details
worthy crag
Definitely played too much wow this week
warm lance
Watched a vid of assa MT being done and ive definitely been ovetthinking it
graceful ravine
pika really likes that 500% shiv lol
warm lance
That looked way simpler than its felt with how ive tried it
potent pivot
That looked way simpler than its felt with how ive tried it
assa is probably the more "overwhelming" feeling one, as you're tanking the 3 bosses practically the whole time. but if you get the DBM MT plug in it's pretty telegraphed.
graceful ravine
he.... lost
unique lance
still
graceful ravine
pika also doesnt multi dot
raven cliff
When is the best time to pop the Dark Iron racial against Sin? As soon as possible to try and negate the Deathmark copies, or later?
warm lance
assa is probably the more "overwhelming" feeling one, as you're tanking the 3 bo...
I never thought of just keeping them stacked and stunning bladestorm. Ive kinda just avoided alot the axe throwing guy but I gotta try it a different way
potent pivot
I never thought of just keeping them stacked and stunning bladestorm. Ive kinda ...
well you also have to stun his enrages/kite them as well
i mostly kited around the room, stunning him when necessary, but you have to blind Sig when she's about to do her mechanic at the proper time. and kick the caster from time to time to keep him moving
unique lance
pika also doesnt multi dot
they both did just ST this game
i think nahj multi dotted once
if anything
warm lance
i mostly kited around the room, stunning him when necessary, but you have to bli...
I just ran out of time. Id start to get all 3 overlapping cause I hadnt actually finished any off
I was kiting too much
potent pivot
I just ran out of time. Id start to get all 3 overlapping cause I hadnt actually...
well iirc there's one overlap that you kinda have to deal with
but towards like 6min(?) it starts to get too quick to deal with, a soft enrage where they reduce time between mechanics
but i digress, there's a lot of guides out there for it on youtube/wowhead :d
warm lance
There is one yeah, but they just start to overlap everytime if youre too slow
I like to prog these blind tho. Way more fulfilling to clear
potent pivot
warm lance
I cleared most of them in legion without guides. Including tank/healer ones
light estuary
when you're 1 cp away from max, is it worth throwing a poison knife to hit max cp for envenom? assuming not shiving
potent pivot
when you're 1 cp away from max, is it worth throwing a poison knife to hit max c...
definitely not
light estuary
4 pt envenom is fine?
potent pivot
we follow the same rules as PvE regarding combo points, other than for Kidney specifically
if you land on max cp, spend. if you land on max-1, spend.
potent pivot
max-2 is iffy?
yeah i wouldn't recommend that, except for Slice n Dice
you can get away with Rupturing lower cp on an opener
kinda depends on the situation a little
potent pivot
Did anyone play Art Prec this weekend?
Nahj
proper heath
yeah everyone is trying different stuff every week
trying to find whats bis
This is good. I really like dragonflight
that there can be variety
potent pivot
And a big chunk of these games don't last long enough for 2 Exsanguinates