is deathmark used at the end?
#pvp
dense thorn
its not?
kidney for stun
shiv for healing redcu
deathmark to get the bleeds going off
envom for 4set and dam
im a noob wiht ass but as far as i can tell its not that 'one shotty'
young bison
so garrote->echoing-> rupture->mfd kidney-> shiv -> deathmark -> envenom?
warped anchor
depends what you're fighting
young bison
i thought i need ´to apply deathmark before i set up bleeds
warped anchor
you can't do garrotte - ER - rupture
you can do garrotte - rupture mfd kidney against casters
if you do ER in between they can just cc you
which they will
young bison
good point
warped anchor
lol
young bison
im like 0 cr
lyric onyx
How’s outlaw feeling rn
warped anchor
mfd kidney garrotte rupture melee
dense thorn
ass
jolly sierra
for example against a warrior if u garrote him he will just stun u
young bison
so for melee i should start with cheap?
dense thorn
the ass build in the pin is just allot of pressure right?
jolly sierra
mfd kidney
lyric onyx
the ass build in the pin is just allot of pressure right?
Is it the blindside one?
dense thorn
lyric onyx
Can’t check not in game to paste in
young bison
so when do i use thistle
jolly sierra
when u run off energy
lyric onyx
Yeah lots of bleed/poison damage … personally I lose improved poisons and the one after to go down to big shiv
dense thorn
if about to kill = use tea
dense thorn
Yeah lots of bleed/poison damage … personally I lose improved poisons and the on...
im too dumb to make changes
will play a few games
oonly 1.1k with ass in solo
so want to try get that upto 1.8 too
young bison
and deathmark is for bleeds after deathmark, yes?
dense thorn
i think deathmark just works on all bleeds on the target
lyric onyx
It will replicate any existing bleeds too
young bison
yeah but before or after
warped anchor
you use deathmark after bleeds
young bison
so if i use garrote from stealth for more damage and then deathmark it, the garrote from stealth will get even more stronger?
lyric onyx
Yes
lyric onyx
If you’re not starting from stealth tho
dense thorn
look we only dot for 50k a dot
jolly sierra
it duplicates current and new dots
lyric onyx
And you have garrotte (non empowered) and rupture up
lyric onyx
I’d usually kidney, deathmark, vanish/meld, garrotte
dense thorn
buff garrotte and buff ST
warped anchor
garrotte should be 6 second silence
proper heath
I can't win any games
young bison
what about bonespike?
warped anchor
and 50% more damage from sealth
dense thorn
garrotte should apply to everyone and stack
wintry dew
Can someone share the AP build? 😄
lyric onyx
what about bonespike?
Only garrotte, rupture and poisons replicated
young bison
and when do i use bonespike then
warped anchor
you know that pvp arena in azure span with the camera the shoots fire?
young bison
does it affect the damage according to my mastery?
warped anchor
rogue should get that
proper heath
LOL
proper heath
you know that pvp arena in azure span with the camera the shoots fire?
OMFG that ability is so fun
It's so fun
lyric onyx
and when do i use bonespike then
Apply to all targets at start of round pretty much .. that way whenver you used spike for the rest of the round it gives a fuck ton of combo points for cheap energy
potent pivot
Can someone share the AP build? 😄
you just drop the more obvious stuff and dump it into the left side
wintry dew
Hmm let me check then
lyric onyx
Can someone share the AP build? 😄
Go to nahjs armoury he runs ap
potent pivot
Hmm let me check then
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgkIJICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKJJRCERSC
potent pivot
i would only recommend it into melee ye
wintry dew
boy oh boy
potent pivot
i don't even like it into melee so far
but that's me
i enjoy stuff like SBS, SS, BS
proper heath
I swear
jolly sierra
when we got the ele in melee cleave match we bullied him
proper heath
Our nerfs are coming this tuesday.
Today in AWC, we saw every class with rogue.
Rogue DK,
Rogue Ele
rogue Mage
rogue SP
jolly sierra
i said "go ele bully him is melee cleave sexo"
lyric onyx
No my dad works at blizzard I told him no
proper heath
No my dad works at blizzard I told him no
Give him the puppy eyes
"Pls dont delete my class"
lyric onyx
I’ll get him to nerf shamans instead
proper heath
Nerf resto
lyric onyx
Delete astral shift
proper heath
we saw one today. that was one too many
Put those idiots back where they belong. On the bench
proper heath
Imagine your whole life
you train to put a piece of wood down on the floor
and call some rain
What idiots
lyric onyx
Warriors train their whole lives to be angry
proper heath
Aren't warriors like blessed from the Hall of Valor or something
I remember in Legion we all had to get a blessing from the Halls of Valor. we're like valkyries or some shit
lyric onyx
So warriors were out in legion getting odyns blessing and rogues joined a gang
worthy crag
hope they nerf ele too tho
arms dmg plsss
fading blade
there a way to macro exsang with DM?
potent pivot
there a way to macro exsang with DM?
you can't macro multiple on gcd abilities without using a castsequence macro
fading blade
ah thats what i was missing
potent pivot
they can be a little janky
potent pivot
/castsequence Exsanguinate, Deathmark```you can also add "reset=(amount of seconds here)" between "/castsequence" and "Exsanguinate"
worthy crag
a bit off topic but its always a good practice to put [@target] or [exists] on those macros, so you dont end up deathmarking a pet next to a hunter when they feign death and detarget
potent pivot
these require multiple button presses, and a number of things can cause them to malfunction depending on the macro/abilities used
fading blade
I've seen pika and them do DM then Exsang, i always thought it was exsang DM
potent pivot
a bit off topic but its always a good practice to put [@target] or [exists] on t...
not off topic at all, that's a good shout
potent pivot
I've seen pika and them do DM then Exsang, i always thought it was exsang DM
sounds like a mistake, maybe?
fading blade
yeah i tried to ask twitch chat but that was mistake #1
potent pivot
fading blade
a bit off topic but its always a good practice to put [@target] or [exists] on t...
Do you add that before the /castsequence?
dense dock
doing DM-> exsang does more burst faster
doing exsang -> death causes the dot to tick harder longer
fading blade
Ohh okay sweet
small lark
with the new talent build thats pinned on this discord, what does our burst and non-burst rotations look like? (no exsanguinate)
small lark
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worthy crag
Do you add that before the /castsequence?
No, after. Like /castsequence [conditions] ability x, y, z
small lark
i also saw a youtube video from xvic where he shivs twice , is that recommended? o-o im new
fading blade
/castsequence [@target],[exists] Deathmark @worthy crag that look right?
worthy crag
Uh, when you have multiple conditions you wanna put, it looks like this
/castsequence [@target,exists] deathmark
but
You dont need both, either one of them does the job
Like /castsequence [@target] deathmark
also if you are just putting one ability you can just do /cast
potent pivot
with the new talent build thats pinned on this discord, what does our burst and ...
it's basically the same tbh, almost none of assa tree's talents will change our rotation drastically
potent pivot
?
this is just what most people are running
you can change a few things and still be perfectly viable
dense dock
oh, funny thing about tthat build... i'm already running it
potent pivot
as long as you don't make drastic changes like dropping DTB
dense dock
didn't even notice that
dense dock
getting closer with 1615 CR in SS now 🙂
potent pivot
potent pivot
warped anchor
I already have that I think when I play my resto shaman
dense dock
made it fire when its a healer spec on nameplate
warm summit
i was doing so well 2 days ago and now im getting fucking bonked 
dense thorn
buff rogue please
proper heath
Rogues are so shit
ffs .
We get destroyed by every melee. Zero healing. And our dots can be dispelled by like 4 classes.
We need buffs for sure.
dense thorn
i know its dumb.. i can focus the druid and he literally only dies after like 5-10 seconds
and thats too long for my ADHD brain
jolly sierra
my journey continues with my few time after working and going to sleep
dense thorn
this guys name lol
jolly sierra
pray for u, hope the fkn tier do the job
proper heath
Did you press evasion?
I know sometimes rogues lose because they dont press evasion
I've seen it before
worthy crag
wait swiftmend is not a hot
dense thorn
wants to hit all 3 people equally
rather than kill the guy at 5%
why do people do that?
oh this guys at 10%.. i will use my rapid fire on that guy at 100%
GOOD JOB BUDDY
jolly sierra
oh this guys at 10%.. i will use my rapid fire on that guy at 100%
a MM? XDDDDDDDDDD
god
at least u won more than 3?
dense thorn
i won 4
lost 2 times with him lol
i think
can i make gladius look like my frames
it makes me sad
jolly sierra
where hes just immune for ages
neon slate
If I get double ambush procs it’s 1 global for full combo points so I could do 3 finishers in 6 globals
neon slate
Supposed to throw your CDs early when you’re high HP
So evasión when they pop an offensive CD but you’re still full HP as opposed to low hp evasions
And spam feint
And step to your healer
Disarm as well and Can gouge or shadowmeld cheap people to peel them off you
neon slate
Not sure the best step to team macros tbh that’s question for someone else
I’m sure there’s mouse over as well as party 2 party 3
dense thorn
i do not have the keybinds for p2 p3 stuff
the step on frames doesnt work last time i tried it
beause it needs to drop your target
and thats annoying
kind nova
Why are people hyping arterial in pvp?
neon slate
I’m sure someone would have a mouse over macro for you in here
dense thorn
is there a weakaura/addon that will shout at me/show on screen when say... dk uses his slappy hands or big cds?
kind nova
Is this awc or just normal people build
jolly sierra
normal persons build
kind nova
Interesting. Do u have a build? Might work on solo shuffle zugzug too
jolly sierra
i retried again my rog after losing a lot of cr against rows of demo locks matches and getting the tier and worked like a charm
hope can get back everything i've lost
kind nova
Ty
dense thorn
whats the alternatives to gladius? and is gladiusex better?
potent pivot
whats the alternatives to gladius? and is gladiusex better?
sarena
kinda subjective which you like best
proper heath
omg. Everytime any boss mechanic happens, it must be like a clash of random alerts 😄
gaunt trout
is there a weakaura/addon that will shout at me/show on screen when say... dk us...
What do you do when DK uses slappy hands anyway? Just cloak and run away? Jw.
potent pivot
like my mate who runs dbm and big wigs
i did that but i had them set up for different things
potent pivot
What do you do when DK uses slappy hands anyway? Just cloak and run away? Jw.
you can cloak it yes, and you can stand on him while cloaked unless you really need to kite
dense thorn
why do i just not have any options here and it wont load
dense thorn
i did that but i had them set up for different things <:KEKW:751122217890349116>
i just die
wrong reply
waxen meteor
Need some more hints in melee blend, been not losing in most lobbies, but sometimes lose badly in melee blend.
like if i get warrior/dh, my HP always goes from 100 -> 20% in like 2 GCDs
potent pivot
have you tried using Emblem
potent pivot
give it a shot, even some of the top player use Emblem vs certain match ups
waxen meteor
but lots of time even that doesn't get me back to good HP% in quite a long time
OK
those rollercoaster HP change is scary
sometimes they didn't even use major CDs
then it's really annoying if i should trinket and use CD
potent pivot
but lots of time even that doesn't get me back to good HP% in quite a long time
well it increases your health pool by 60k
for 15s
potent pivot
so it's not an "end all" answer, but an extra defensive helps
dense thorn
the execute sin build feels really good right now
what build is this?
waxen meteor
well it increases your health pool by 60k
I mean also when i got back to pillar and nobody chased, then let's say 10 seconds later, i am still like 30-40% hp with 493080 dots on me, no way to stealth
dense thorn
anyone use gladiatorlosSA and have settings for me to copy?
waxen meteor
maybe partially related to healer but it's real life scenario..
Maybe I played too many 2s yesterday just forgot how to play solo
final vessel
Whats so execute about it?
fiery relic
zoldycks
fiery relic
with all the MS we get, combined with zoldycks its impossible to heal through our bleeds under 35% hp
final vessel
Trying it in 3's or SS ?
final vessel
Wouldnt it just be better due to dampening.
sharp sierra
whats up with 20 russian players from one realm queueing into eu servers
dense dock
Losing blindside and SS/SBS? Yikes
dense thorn
anyone use gladiatorsSA.. or anyone that can tell me what key abilities i should have notified to me via voice.. its abit much when its literally every ability lol
fiery relic
Losing blindside and SS/SBS? Yikes
blindside is meh, SS you still get, because you only use AP for melee cleave
dense dock
I just toned it down to main cds and trinks/drink
dense thorn
I just toned it down to main cds and trinks/drink
which ones are these? is there a code you can share?
fiery relic
SBS is just pad damage
dense thorn
like a profile?
dense dock
Idk how to share a profile to it
dense dock
blindside is meh, SS you still get, because you only use AP for melee cleave
Woulda literally been the 2 queues SS's I played tonight we're full blown melee smack
dense dock
would be very helpful ha
I logged out trying to sleep or id give em to you. If I can remember in the morning I'll send em here and ping you
potent pivot
anyone use gladiatorsSA.. or anyone that can tell me what key abilities i should...
can't you change the settings?
ah it was brought up already
dense thorn
we multi task up here
potent pivot
SBS is just pad damage
how do you figure that exactly?
dense dock
Sbs literally does more damage than a Mut
fiery relic
it is if it uses globals you can be using on something else
dense thorn
if it's not wasted on pets and shit, it's not really "pad" damage
friend used grieftorch on an explosive last week lol
heady atlas
where trophy of strife vendor
potent pivot
it is if it uses globals you can be using on something else
you literally use it to replace mutilate globals though?
potent pivot
where trophy of strife vendor
have to use the upgrade vendor now
dense dock
√
heady atlas
ah
dense dock
Don't worry that threw me off too
potent pivot
SBS does more damage than mutilate, costs less energy, etc
there's multiple reasons it's good
fiery relic
you literally use it to replace mutilate globals though?
yeah but instead of using a mutilate replacement you can put those talent points elsewhere
potent pivot
now if you want to debate whether that damage is worth losing for something like AP, that's fine
AP is arguably good against melee cleaves
final vessel
Whats actually the range on AP ?
potent pivot
but losing SS/SBS for Zoldycks? i think that's something that's still up for debate
fiery relic
I think 45% damage in execute is pretty powerful
potent pivot
Whats actually the range on AP ?
it's somewhat large tbh, maybe a little bigger than FoK's range(?)
waxen meteor
i think if you can keep yourself in offensive mode somehow, and able push enemy to 35% below, you have a good chance to win anyway..
fiery relic
35% isnt 10%
potent pivot
I think 45% damage in execute is pretty powerful
i agree. the thing is consistently getting people to execute range
waxen meteor
35% isnt 10%
agree, i just feel the real struggle is having to be back in def too frequently in melee belnd
potent pivot
i agree that it's good
sharp sierra
how tf does a healer 1v1 me
potent pivot
i just don't think it's worth losing SS/SBS good, in most situations
fiery relic
not losing SS in most situations
potent pivot
how tf does a healer 1v1 me
waxen meteor
I did my first AP build solo a few hours ago and i screwed it myself
i even threw out a 2 cp kidney at opening once because i am so used to have shroud
final vessel
Do we know if the hitting 1800 and not unlocking the head shoulders mog got fixed yet?
potent pivot
Do we know if the hitting 1800 and not unlocking the head shoulders mog got fixe...
i don't recall it ever being bugged?
you have to win a game at 1800+
afaik
bleak slate
I think the maldraxxas map was having issues if you played on it
Like the game wasn’t counting thd rating increase or something
But hitting 1800 in anything rated pvp should unlock it for you
final vessel
you have to win a game at 1800+
Ive 100% won a game at 1800. so idk.
potent pivot
weird
dense thorn
ok how do i deal with evokers? I feel like they look at me and i lose 90% of my health... sometimes 500%of my health
i dont know their kit at all
final vessel
AP range is rather large.
potent pivot
AP range is rather large.
yeah
these exacts dummy's had people thinking that shiv was shot gunning on a single target
they were shiv'ing the PvP dummy and had ~4 shiv hits for ~X damage
warm lance
Yep
potent pivot
was good fun
warm lance
That was funny
potent pivot
had everybody thinking it was broken for a moment
warm lance
Best was that it came up back to back even after it was figured out
lucid citrus
I think someone had already shown that it was shiving the target dummies behind?
potent pivot
yeah it's been brought up before, that's what we were saying
i believe luciel was wondering it's range earlier
i want to say that it looks like about ~20y
waxen meteor
fuck everyone has 4 sets this week
did some solo's check everyone's gear
gonna wait for next week to play more
dense thorn
just sat hunter the rest of the game when he cried at me :D.. still can't go 6-0 its literally impossible swear
but we climbing
dense thorn
we are bots
beep boop
is that hunter just saying we are all mechanical gods?
with no imperfections
can you use arcane torrent for anything useful in pvp?
and do hunters still take dot dam when in turtle?
fierce laurel
Bop. Alter.
waxen meteor
and do hunters still take dot dam when in turtle?
yes
but reduced if i am not wrong
waxen meteor
so are they the kill target at all times lol?
When they turtle what can you do?
dense thorn
let them die to my dots
waxen meteor
Depends, some hunters are quite good at managing distance
potent pivot
they can still exhil during turtle as well iirc
fierce laurel
So theif's bargain doesn't work with CDR talents, right?
potent pivot
seems like it only works on blades, vanish, and feint
it should just reduce them from their base CDs
proven field
Goddamn I have never felt so useless than trying to climb as Outlaw in SS
every match is DH/Arms and they just do so. much. fucking. PVE. dmg.
(Mind you it's not helping that the game wont stop putting me 500 MMR above my CR, so 4 rounds of just murderers, but it's been... awful)
fierce laurel
I mean it doesn't work on vanish when you get the talent
potent pivot
I mean it doesn't work on vanish when you get the talent
doesn't seem to work on vanish even if only talented into the 2 charge talent
Without a Trace may be bugging it out
wait it doesn't seem to be reducing Vanish's cooldown whatsoever
fierce laurel
That's the part I mean..
potent pivot
yeah i thought you meant the Vanish CDR talent sorry
that's definitely a substantial bug
it could actually be a viable PvP talent if it worked properly
the best thing i can say is report the bug, and i will too
uneven grove
Twitter
final vessel
🎣
potent pivot
https://twitter.com/cdew_wow/status/1619464822890057729
i actually cannot believe the timeline we're living in rn
final vessel
The comments though 💀
uneven grove
he tries to pull off a Tony probably
final vessel
"Stealth should be feral only"
uneven grove
but he is not really funny
final vessel
What about a cat = stealth > a rogue.
uneven grove
whole post is trolling, just not funny 
graceful ravine
coming from the same team that ran double outlaw rogue in awc last year
dense thorn
Pshero in solo shuffle and all his spells are gone from his spell book
Wtf 😂
Undocumented nerf to rogue?
dense thorn
He can’t hit any abilities as they don’t exist lol. He went 0-6. Feels sadge
potent pivot
that's actually insane
dense thorn
This was actually happening to some of us when dragon flight launched.
It was taking away random abilities
But it fixed when we relogged
potent pivot
i haven't ran into this issue at all
i've run into and error that pops up, then i can't press ANY abilities, quite a few times
but nothing to this magnitude
frail summit
yo guys have you figure out what's parts we should run for set?
dense thorn
Someone saying go to the rogue trainer lol
potent pivot
yo guys have you figure out what's parts we should run for set?
everything but helm+crafted embellishment helm
frail summit
ok i was thinking the same
and something else,i dont use catalyst this week,would i be able to do 2 charges on next?
dense thorn
Yea
frail summit
just saw there is limit on 6 charges
guess everyone gonna run assasin once they get their 4set
looks huge
if it doesnt get nerf
uneven grove
it's still happening <:KEKW:751122217890349116>
link vod pls or clip it 😄
potent pivot
link vod pls or clip it 😄
i don't think anyone clipped it, and he's still live i'm pretty sure
uneven grove
yesterday i played like 5 lobbies with my resto shaman
with 3 broken items at least
cus the new fcking UI is a shitshow
and action bars hide the broken item visual on the right
and it is not moveable
found it
unborn portal
I didn’t know pshero back to retail 
surreal swift
anyone knows why this shows my coldblood icon?
#Showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique
potent pivot
anyone knows why this shows my coldblood icon?
#Showtooltip Secret Technique
/...
you choose the icon when first making the macro
sec
potent pivot
when you mouse over it is it not showing the tool tip of ST?
worthy crag
idk why i always start the first RSS with a fucking 1-5 or 0-6
and get it back up later
I really need to warm up on an alt..
potent pivot
That’s how it used to work
drag Secret Technique's icon into this window
or choose it from the selection
and it will show it's icon
potent pivot
I really need to warm up on an alt..
i actually do this every once in a while, or at least smack a dummy for a bit to warm up my fingers most of the time
surreal swift
its not working as intended
it show the cooldown of coldblood still
also no tooltip is shown
potent pivot
even after you changed the icon?
worthy crag
This was my first RSS session after running an insane amount of mythic keys for the 418 infusion
so yeah
really should have seen it coming
worthy crag
you can leave it as a ? icon and do a showtooltip to display its icon on your action bar
BUT
i actually take the effort to manually select the icon because I dont like seeing a bunch of ?s on an alt class
because showtooltip only works if your class has access to the ability
potent pivot
yeah i always add an icon
potent pivot
its not working as intended
uncapitalize #Showtooltip
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique```Also as a sub any feral in a RSS lobby is like insta loss
surreal swift
there is no need to select an icon when using showtooltip btw
worthy crag
can't win with them on my team, can't (usually) win against them
potent pivot
i went through every character and was like hmm lemme test it with a capital "S"
potent pivot
there is no need to select an icon when using showtooltip btw
i always just do it as it takes like 2 seconds and i sometimes prefer a different tool tip than my icon ability
all of my secondary icon abilities have the tool tip of the ability they actually perform
guess its become a habit to drag it into the macro
faint valve
are we using PVP tier sets?
final vessel
Why wouldnt we be?
uneven grove
is mage tower in the game already?
faint valve
I mean, I am not sure if we have PvP tier sets or we use the PvE one. 😛
But I guess we have!
worthy crag
they are identical
uh
You might not know what this means yet but you still wanna make sure to convert pvp gears to tier pieces
potent pivot
I mean, I am not sure if we have PvP tier sets or we use the PvE one. 😛
either one is fine
but optimally you want a pvp set
ofc
rose iris
Guys for pvp what roll the bones are good
potent pivot
Guys for pvp what roll the bones are good
Broadside (CP gen) and True Bearing (CDR) are both really good
Ruthless Precision (more BtE crit/base crit), Buried Treasure(energy regen), Skull and Crossbones (SS extra strike proc chance) are also decent
i'd say the "worst" one is Grand Melee (SnD extension)
rose iris
How does the roll the bones work
Do i press it on cd till i get good?
And when i have good i wait it expire
potent pivot
basically, yes
if you have good rolls wait until they have around ~2 seconds left, then reroll, but don't make it your highest priority to get that correct
if you're in a situation where you need to do something more important, CC someone, keep doing damage because your target is about to die, etc
don't want to waste a GCD in certain situations if it's going to be more detrimental than having a little down time on your buff
rose iris
So roll the bones is good to keep up but no prio?
vocal surge
Yes
potent pivot
So roll the bones is good to keep up but no prio?
it's still prio, even if you're currently attacking someone etc
but you have to judge the situation a bit
if someone is ~25-30% health and you think you can kill em right then and there, rerolling would almost be like a wasted GCD
or if you NEED to CC someone to peel for your team, like kidney shotting a dps that's about to kill your team mate
you want it up as much as possible, you just don't want to grief yourself doing so. if that makes sense
rose iris
Yeah thats what i ment sry
potent pivot
ah ok, no worries
rose iris
I understand outlaw is in bad state but its such a cool spec
do u guys have a WA that shows the rolls i just want that not other
tawny kestrel
can link u mine if u want
rose iris
is it only the rolls?
tawny kestrel
just shows them like this
rose iris
and it say its good or bad
potent pivot
and it say its good or bad
i don't think there are any pvp focused WAs that show which is bad/good for pvp
i could definitely be wrong though, but i mean publicly available on wago
rose iris
i heard som1 had luxthor or smth
and it shows for PVE
i assume same is good for pvp?
potent pivot
let me check
rose iris
ty!
potent pivot
ty!
without actually installing all the different WA packs and looking into their logic in game, the only one with it's reroll logic posted in the description is Devlin's pack. that one should be good
rose iris
but how do i get only the rolls
potent pivot
you'd have to import it and separate them from the rest
rose iris
oh okay
potent pivot
but how do i get only the rolls
try this one for only rolls:
https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU
this one should have the same reroll logic
rose iris
looks pretty cool
hearty bane
Saw those recommended builds in the pins. Must say playing as a sub does feel kind of easier with the new build, thank you guys!
And so CDR is no longer a recommended choice for a sub? I guess it's because fights mostly take less than 90sec?
potent pivot
Saw those recommended builds in the pins. Must say playing as a sub does feel ki...
i think CDR is definitely still a viable choice, the same goes for The Rotten
the linked builds are just what the majority of top players seem to agree upon, will be expanding on that soon
rose iris
so is assa really that muc hbetter than outlaw
i dont have 4 set and im new to rogue pvp
i feel like i get punsihed alot as assa and outlaw feels more like a brawler
robust tartan
Did they remove silence off base garrote? it doesn't seem to silence at all without iron wire
potent pivot
Did they remove silence off base garrote? it doesn't seem to silence at all with...
you have to be talented into Iron Wire, yeah
potent pivot
so is assa really that muc hbetter than outlaw
assa is definitely a "meta pick" right now, but every spec is viable
rose iris
Yes but is assa meta if i dont have 4 set bonus
uneven grove
so is assa really that muc hbetter than outlaw
assa is much better than anything basically
potent pivot
if your goal is to learn, have fun, and reach some realistic rating goals you should play whatever you enjoy
uneven grove
so that's a bad comparison anyway
hearty bane
i suck at assa even more than I suck at sub, so even if sub is not meta, I still prefer it because at least I know how the spec works
rose iris
yeah fair enough
potent pivot
it's 100% possible to reach every achievement rating on each spec
whether or not it's possible to reach like, r1 gladiator rating (top 0.1%) can be a different story
orchid plinth
Asking that question probably means that the question is not relevant for you 
I find Outlaw is WAY harder than Assa, just the rotation requires way more tracking on procs and buffs to do proper damage. And Outlaw doesn't really have a BIG BOORST button compared to shit like Death Mark/Shiv/Secret Tech
rose iris
thats fair it looks all much cooler tho
orchid plinth
I feel Iike if u are a PvEr with the Outlaw Rotation and priorities imprinted in your reptile brain it's much easier
lucid tree
Just faced a Frost Mage in Arenas, and he was able to pull me out of stealth, by hitting me with an Ice Lance after I had vanished. Am I missing something?
potent pivot
Just faced a Frost Mage in Arenas, and he was able to pull me out of stealth, by...
did you have any debuffs? like any DoTs etc
certain things can keep you from successfully going into stealth
there are also "eyes" that spawn in arenas after a certain amount of time has passed that allows players to see stealthed players once they pick it up
lucid tree
I can't remember for certain, but I was in stealth for at least 10 secs, therefore it leads me to believe that I did not.
lucid tree
there are also "eyes" that spawn in arenas after a certain amount of time has pa...
wack
that answers it, ty
potent pivot
mm yeah sounds like that's what it was
dire sun
Is it worth dropping 2 conquest pieces for 2 390 tier set pieves so i get the 4 piece bonus?
potent pivot
Is it worth dropping 2 conquest pieces for 2 390 tier set pieves so i get the 4 ...
for which spec?
dire sun
Assa
potent pivot
damage wise it's worth it yeah, you lose some stamina though as well as main stat but the bonus outweighs the main stat loss
but yeah i'd say in general it's worth
minor cape
hey, any high rated solo shuffle sub rogues there?
minor cape
anyways, wanted to ask smth. Which build do you usually run - echoing or secret tech? I managed to hit 1750 rating w secret tech build and then lost 200 rating
but i see many dudes run echoing build in 3k+
is this situational?
hearty bane
There is a fresh build in pins, I just switched to it. It utilizes both ER and ST
minor cape
but what's the point tho
you cant really cold blood both
🤔
and you dont run deeper strat then?
hearty bane
I guess it is me who has to ask you for an advice since Im in a 1500 elo hell, but I am assuming ER is a good tool to reaching cheaper 7cp hits
minor cape
so you kinda
er then secret tech blue combo point?
w cold blood
this doesn't seem very practical as you might not be able to get that blue point in shadow dance
hearty bane
and you dont run deeper strat then?
I had deeper strat build as well (without ER), and in my opinion ER makes my game easier in the long run, but with a price of yet another GCD in my burst rotation
potent pivot
you cant really cold blood both
you wouldn't cold blood ER, because it's not using Reverb
hearty bane
er then secret tech blue combo point?
I cheap shot for a Pray of the week debuff, then shadowstrike, dance, then Use Trinket + CB + Techs
potent pivot
yeah, i see, but how do i get the secret tech off then in my go
the same as always or just ER->cold blood+ST
hearty bane
which is usually enough for cheesing someone at 1200 lol but no higher than that
hearty bane
either those or for rupture if im not in a burst mode
minor cape
the same as always or just ER->cold blood+ST
that wouldnt always land on blue point right?
potent pivot
you typically land on a blue point when you press ER, unless you already have some CP when you press it
proper heath
I cheap shot for a Pray of the week debuff, then shadowstrike, dance, then Use T...
"Pray of the week" LOL
minor cape
keke
hearty bane
lol
minor cape
you typically land on a blue point when you press ER, unless you already have so...
rip opener then
potent pivot
but think about it this way
alacrity is practically 2 wasted points as sub
ER provides 7cp finishers with less generation needed
potent pivot
it's basically the strongest talent on the class tree
minor cape
you use cheap shot shadow dance which already gives you points
potent pivot
besides maybe having the 2nd Dance charge
potent pivot
i mean i wouldn't use cheap shot for a kill window
just small goes
you can kidney for the kill window
hearty bane
i mean i wouldn't use cheap shot for a kill window
what about pray of the weAk then ?
potent pivot
what about pray of the weAk then ?
what about it?
minor cape
like gouge - dance - kidney - er - cb - secret tech
hearty bane
what about it?
I didnt know you would use kidney, thats why I asked
minor cape
thats actually really cool i will try it
potent pivot
thats actually really cool i will try it
also the new build makes rupture do big dam
minor cape
but you need tier set
potent pivot
but i'd still recommend using the tier set
minor cape
what do you think sub rogue should do outside of go? Should i just rupture everyone and slice and dice
and backstab
potent pivot
minor cape
never thought about it
and rupture doesnt break blind right?
i know it doesnt break gouge
potent pivot
i'm honestly not sure if the cleave rupture does or not
proper heath
I stand sideways when I'm drunk
In 5 Hours. We get to watch AWC. Where every single team has an assa rogue.
potent pivot
In 5 Hours. We get to watch AWC. Where every single team has an assa rogue.
change of plans, it's all arms warriors and ele shamans now
you heard it here first 
warm summit
spark egret
yo
@potent pivot you got a new talent build for assa
or is it pmuch the same
running that now
potent pivot
or is it pmuch the same
there's one in the pins, it's pretty much the same. there's a few things you can swap here and there and still be fine
i would not be talented into Amp AND Imp Wound homie
spark egret
why not
potent pivot
gotta either drop Twist the Knife or Amp, preferably Amp
potent pivot
when was this 
warm summit
im a fucking dumbass 
spark egret
but I haven't been running amp for a while just twist
warm summit
i copied the build from the pins like 3 times and i was like "Wow why isnt it working" until i realized i got the exact same build
potent pivot
idk Amp is kinda bad unless you have another mortal strike on your team
then you run amp+deadly
amp can be good if you're gonna pve one target the entire match but assa doesn't really do that atm
but atm it's either the build in the pins or dropping some stuff for Zoldyck's
potent pivot
can arguably drop even more to get AP if VSing a melee cleave
spark egret
fisrt arena
alpine axle
Surely this will end well
spark egret
im rusty
radiant glen
rusty implies u had any skill at any point in time
im just kidding ily hataro
pls come back to OT dont be a pvper
spark egret
last jay
Hey guys, I'm pretty new to PvP and the class in particular and I have a quick question if I may.
Aside from the increased damage which makes improved garrote mandatory in PvP, do we benefit in any way from the 3 sec window in 2v2? Most of the time I'm gonna try and sap one target no? So who am I gonna use garrote again on in 3 sec?
radiant glen
vs some comps you cant get the sap, other times you may want to stack the duration and double gar the first target if you're trying to do some exsang cheese
in 2v2 specifically its not the most practical in the opener but
the dmg is insane and it still has some niche multicast uses
last jay
ok makes sense, thanks!
against DH I could garrote both targets if they get close enough with sight on.
I try to avoid that as much as I can, but sometimes they still see me 😡
radiant glen
in my opinion, the main use i suggest for the 3 sec window
isn't for multiple garrotes
but rather for late garrotes
if you open with garrote into a warrior or dh they can often bladestorm or disarm or blur etc
so you want to open with mfd kidney
which takes you out of stealth
but thanks to the 3 sec window you can still stealth garrote
after the stun
last jay
ahhhh
sure that makes a lot of sense
liek I said, pretty new, picked up assa 3 days ago 😄
radiant glen
hope you have a blast with it
last jay
it's been super fun, making tones of mistakes obv. but I record all my games with wow recorder and try to work on it as much as I can
radiant glen
feel free to ask any more questions you might have here too, usually people respond incredibly quickly
last jay
will do, thanks!
radiant glen
best of luck with ur climb <3
last jay
thanks 🙂
spark egret
grind what
rose iris
well get better hehe
How does the rotation with deathmark work
do you deathmark into vanish garrote?
rose iris
spark egret
I wonder if its better to just wait for vault to use the catalyst charge
radiant glen
if u pve yes
if u pvp no
it doesnt matter if u pvp
ur always gonna catalyst the same 4 pc and they're always going to scale and i dont think vault impacts that
in any way
spark egret
well no I mean
you wait to see if you get the piece you want from vault
I dont even have 2 set
radiant glen
oh thats right bc tier drops from vault
sorry i forgot i havent seen it
at all
since SL
:^)
spark egret
spark egret
tbh I'm getting bored of DF
rose iris
wtf 
rose iris
where does the saddle go whe n uget one
radiant glen
ur inventory
rose iris
i capped out mine now its at 0 and i did not get one
sterile vale
Playing assa on SS but can't do much damage for some reason. I usually try to garrote/rupture 2 targets and kidney the healer on cd. Should I try to dot all 3 enemies?
spark egret
kidney healer?
should be using kidney on your kill target
but ye if you can dot all 3
thats perfect
dont use a step charge to do it
just dot whoever is in range
sterile vale
I mean in SS it seems that the more I give the enemy healer downtime the more likely it is to win. As there are no setups or whatever..
tepid willow
for those of yall with killing spree, do you feel like it's a full dps tool still, or do you hold it for mitigation?
tepid willow
healer kidney can be good, like say for example the kill target's internals are all used
radiant glen
depends on ur comp vs their comp tbh
i wouldnt go saying never kidney healer or always kidney healer tho
theres a balance
tepid willow
also, I'm curious as to why the pinned build has KS over dreads
radiant glen
sometimes i like to bait trinkets with blind or kidney and then follow up with the alternate one
specifically on healers
very fun
works ins shuffle pre easily
rose iris
@potent pivot can u help me with death mark pls
radiant glen
I might be able to help you, did you have a specific question?
spark egret
healers are worse at the ghame
prove me wrong
only reason people play heal is to get carried
radiant glen
ok ill prove you wrong
radiant glen
healers are typically worse at the game but the reason why so many people play heal is because, like you they queue up into lfg as a dps and are subjected to awful healers so its like "fk it ill do it myself"
spark egret
still gained rating but whatever
radiant glen
and thats why not all healers get carried
sterile vale
you're trolling right?
spark egret
im not
radiant glen
i dont think healers are bad
sterile vale
you try healing then, ez R1
spark egret
same in pve
radiant glen
i feel like i need to introduce people to hataro
this is hataro
he's from #off-topic
and hes notorious for having awful takes
on literally every topic
but we love him still
radiant glen
yea i also heal
spark egret
they didnt press shit
sterile vale
i worked my ass off to get to 1.8k SS
wanna see Hataro reach 3k in 1 hour since it's stupid and ez
chrome schooner
Playing healer right now is way, way harder than playing Rogue btw, especially Assa
radiant glen
but im here bc i love rogue
sterile vale
sounds good
radiant glen
yo shade
chrome schooner
Yeah except that
radiant glen
did u notice they broke something this patch with healing?
chrome schooner
I don't think so, why ?
radiant glen
i killed a disc priest through ps and dome simultaneously
with deathmark
and healing just feels infinitely worse
like both POV
chrome schooner
I mean if he doesn't play big dome then it kinda does nothing
And ps is very meme atm
Most classes go through with their CDs somehow
radiant glen
it just feels like 1-1 CD trading is a thing of the past
chrome schooner
For sure
Like yesterday I was doing 3s we went on an evoker with Kidney combust, he pressed communion and died anyway
We checked details
It healed HIM for 408k
And he still died
warm lance
Damage is just way too high fir the most part imo
radiant glen
yeah i cant help but feel bad killing through cds
like this isnt how the game should be
but it is
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chrome schooner
I don't :p
I have been dying through CDs for 2 expansions as Assa
FINALLY
My turn
radiant glen
TRUE
chrome schooner
Won't feel bad
sterile vale
fuck craven
chrome schooner
Yes
steel linden
I wonder how we'll be catching a nerf on the next class tuning round
radiant glen
i did not actually
chrome schooner
-20% dot damage
chrome schooner
Maybe
Well
They let Outlaw rampage all ladders for 2 entire seasons
They could be nice and do the same for at least one
radiant glen
for a while i was enjoying dance assa
dont get me wrong its just infinitely worse than ER in every way
but dance assa takes my fav part of both sub and assa
and combines
warm lance
I like sub cause double vanish
Thats one huge reason atleast
But Sin just hits SO HARD with 4set
chrome schooner
Tbh
I would like it if they really, really nerf Assa DoT damage
Like some biiig 40% nerf or something
But then they give back damage into Mutilate and Envenom
warm lance
Yeah thatd be nice
chrome schooner
Mutilate hitting people for below 2% max HP is just horrible
Nothing happens when you push the button
warm lance
More dmg into envenom and the poison puddle
spark egret
I would like it if they really, really nerf Assa DoT damage
the spec is already gutted
what the fuck are you on about
radiant glen
?XD
spark egret
actually assa feels better now
now they fixed most of the giga broken specs
I want blizz to please remove the fucking blades edge and zandalar arena
and ill be very happy person
warm lance
Assa is fucking broken as fuck damage wise right now
We can just blast people through defensives
spark egret
with 4pc you mean?
warm lance
Ofcourse
spark egret
I dont have tier so
warm lance
So you cant say the spec is gutted 
warm lance
The nerfs were done in anticipation of the tier set being in the game
radiant glen
idk i dont have tier
and im still slapping people around
on assa
its easy A tier without set bonus, S+ tier with
at least from personal experience
warm lance
Pretty much
spark egret
yeah I mean