pvp

[fierce laurel]

It lasts 20 seconds

[graceful ravine]

yea but it wore off before he symbols danced

[fierce laurel]

Oof.

[potent pivot]

Tbf blades is a shit CD

Compared to any other big CD in the game

But yea that’s still weird af

[wise breach]

60% damp zzzz

[fierce laurel]

It’s not shit but it doesn’t scale with mastery

Except for the generation eventually fueling evis.

[potent pivot]

It is probably the weakest big CD in the game

[wise breach]

Don't think Rat can win this

[potent pivot]

If not then it’s incredibly close

[waxen meteor]

Probalby he just hit the wrong key

best player is still human

[graceful ravine]

damn

cloak in 3 seconds

almost there

[wicked rampart]

That was wild

[dull bridge]

miracle they made it that close honestly

[unborn portal]

[waxen meteor]

how do they open without shroud

garrote -> 1cp

[graceful ravine]

triple garrote, rupture mfd kidney?

just guessing

[waxen meteor]

I struggle with that without shroud

i gotta drink tea basically during open

[graceful ravine]

if you triple garrote in opener with shroud, you overcap on cp anyways

[waxen meteor]

true, triple garrote is not easy in some cases

i normally try my best to do double

especially if we somehow able to sap one, then it's just double garrote

---

Question:
If you manage to sap a healer behind, do you stay with him for three saps period then cast blind then immediately go for kill or you sap and leave

so basically you let your team doing 1dps+1healer vs 2dps for roughly 20 secs first

but you have a good 8 seconds window to do 3 on 2 and almost able to force a trinket and also keep yourself not trained

[lucid citrus]

depends on positioning of where you sap the healer but most of the time you should sap and then go straight for the kill target to pressure the healer to trink than you can win off of a blind

[waxen meteor]

i did that in most of cases

but i found sitting with healer (if further back with other guys) seems to always bring better results

it's also a way to avoid being trained, they will throw some CDs back there doing the 2s

[fallen olive]

How difficult is DK in pvp compared to rogue? Im feeling rogue is a too skilled for me (im bad)

[lucid citrus]

if you believe your other dps and healer would be okayy on their own then, that is perfect camp the shit out of the healer lol

[waxen meteor]

Most DK player consider PvP not complicated... Not sure if it's real

I think if you are not trained then it's always not hard

[waxen meteor]

Well most 2s with healer won't end in 20 seconds isn't it...?

I feel mentally if you sit a healer for 3 saps + 1 blind, they are in panic, of course it depends on skill & exp

[lucid citrus]

yeah and if they press their buttons

but if youre having success on doing what youre doing, then youre doing it right thing

[waxen meteor]

and with 20 seconds passed in game, you probably go back to the crowd with full kidney and open pressure

[dull bridge]

below a certain rating blind gets trinket no matter what

[last jay]

Hey guys, quick question, is there an optimal order in which I should buy conquest items? I have crafted boots and head and one conq. dagger. Should I buy second dagger before anything else?

[dull bridge]

regardless of danger level

[waxen meteor]

it also avoid the blind issue in solo, someone hits blind target by mistake or aoe

[dull bridge]

get offhand last, get your ring main secondary stat ring and neck while upgrading the drakebreakers

[last jay]

ok thanks! 🙂

[waxen meteor]

Go buy cheaper ones and pray for vault is a way

[dull bridge]

hold up i forgot we have catalyst up

[waxen meteor]

but tbh, necklace is a debatable thing

I remember honor necklace has more mastery than conquer

i see bunch of players exchange that last

[potent pivot]

You should focus on big budget items like chest/legs etc next. Especially for crafting tier set

[dull bridge]

then I think you go for chest legs for thenset

[waxen meteor]

Not saying it's right, but it's a thing multiple people do (i mean the pvp leaderboard)

[last jay]

do I catalyst legs? I thought you keep those in conquest

[graceful ravine]

lol that is exactly our strategy in rmp 3s

[waxen meteor]

With catalyst coming out i think it's better you get the tier set pieces first

[last jay]

becauss they have vers anyway

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/btbowg

[dull bridge]

you're right neck isn't very big, i just got it cuz didn't want to spend gold on sockets twice

[graceful ravine]

i go hard on healer, my fire mage goes hard on the dps, hopefully force them to panic trinket things

[waxen meteor]

lol me too, i did that 2nd week, i feel hard spending that much gold on gems haha (duplicate on two necklaces? no way)

[dull bridge]

also i think neck has good stat/conq ratio as far as agility goes

[tawny kestrel]

ye neck has a lot of agility

[waxen meteor]

Personally i didn't even compare back then

Gold drove me

[tawny kestrel]

(neck and rings do not have primary stat)

[potent pivot]

[last jay]

I was mostly curious about offhand

but that last makes sense?

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[last jay]

and do we catalyst legs or keep conq?

[tawny kestrel]

assuming u arent playing outlaw

u get trophy of strife off hand

[waxen meteor]

trophy off hand is great

i am trying to re-enchant so i will get off hand weapon this week or next week

i did the 729 or some primary stat enchant on weapon back then

now i will redo the 9xx one

not gonna do it on drake dagger

[tawny kestrel]

only costs like 10k now its not too bad

for rank 3

[waxen meteor]

yeah

tbh it doesn't really matter considering how much gold i have

[last jay]

I play assa at the moment

[waxen meteor]

but it feels wrong haha

i am cheap

[potent pivot]

Catalyst them

[waxen meteor]

for Sin -> make sure you main hand weapon, tier set, then doesn't really matter

[potent pivot]

Get trophy of strife dagger for offhand specifically

[waxen meteor]

trophy dagger locks in for months

[last jay]

so we catalyst, chest, legs, hands and helm or?

[potent pivot]

Everything except helm

[last jay]

k thanks a ton!

[potent pivot]

Use crafted helm

[waxen meteor]

anyway vault may just change everything

when you see a tier set head, just take it

[last jay]

yeah I'm gonna save my charges until I have four anyway ^^

[potent pivot]

Ye if you get one in vault you can use it for a while

[waxen meteor]

tbh i want to save the charge as well

but i am sacred if it's gonna be bugged

[potent pivot]

Why

[waxen meteor]

so i exchagned this week and didn't even use it

[potent pivot]

At most two imo sheesh

2P is still extra dmg

[waxen meteor]

because you may buy a component and exchange for tier then you get it shown in vault next weeks

it's purely economic reasons

[fierce laurel]

Was that a 4pt evis for 100k???

[graceful ravine]

nah that was 7cp

[waxen meteor]

but anyway i think it's better to save, exchange for 2, then save then exchange for last 2
and finger crossed it's not bugged

[graceful ravine]

shoxy playing shadowstep cdr vs melee cleave on small map...

has to be an oversight right

[fierce laurel]

Flag kidney ss evis ss sec ss cs evis?

[graceful ravine]

flag kidney evis, ss, tech,ss,cs,evis

[waxen meteor]

you missed the dance there

[fierce laurel]

Oh right.

[waxen meteor]

kidney + dance -> 2 + 4 cp for evis

[fierce laurel]

Flag kidney evis ss sec ss cs evis

[waxen meteor]

if you are lucky you get 7

but it has to be a 7 cps kidney

[fierce laurel]

You have a good chance of it. Two seconds of auto attacks.

[lucid citrus]

Surprised that Shoxy didnt take AP there

[waxen meteor]

so our takeaway from AWC is AP in melee blend, old way + internal bleed otherwise?

does it matter the sequence of casting shadow blade/dance/symbol for 6% stacks

[fierce laurel]

No

[waxen meteor]

K

I can't reach that high ST dmg as Dayv

but i miss the manual activate trinket as well

could be one reason

[fierce laurel]

Do you have these stats raw?

He also got a weapon enchilada proc

[waxen meteor]

i don't have the rl tech to show those

[fierce laurel]

I hit c on my keyboard.

[graceful ravine]

ya thats base stats

[waxen meteor]

oh that's raw stat?

[graceful ravine]

thats also taken last week so no 4pc

[waxen meteor]

ok

[fierce laurel]

I was asking tarny lol

[graceful ravine]

oh lol

[fierce laurel]

Yes. That’s before the open 10 seconds after gates open

[waxen meteor]

sorry i thought it's some great addon to show live stat

but i am pretty sure my mastery is nowhere close to 73.7%

[fierce laurel]

It is live. But it’s also raw because there’s no procs up.

[graceful ravine]

the downside of that opener is that it takes me 3 globals before the kidney... that gives them time to cc me

i usually trinket yolo there

[fierce laurel]

I have the solution for you

[graceful ravine]

i needed to build snd + 7 cp before kidney

[graceful ravine]

rofl

does that work on stuff like incap

fel eruption etc

[fierce laurel]

Not at all.

Leg sweep and disarm

Incap is ranged. Monk disarm is ranged

[graceful ravine]

what bout stormbolt

[fierce laurel]

Ranged

[waxen meteor]

Monk disarm is annoying as fuck

so is the birdie druid

[fierce laurel]

That’s magic

[waxen meteor]

yeah but i normally don't do scope at normal go, even at primary ones i hesitate to throw all CDs

those range or magic disarm just make normal go as no go

[fierce laurel]

Your first go should always be big.

[graceful ravine]

as a sub rogue you have to play offensive

if you wait around youll die slowly for sure

[waxen meteor]

True

[graceful ravine]

trinket offensively for go's

esp if you have cds popped like combust or blades/blind etc

[waxen meteor]

sounds good

i need more games of sub

[fierce laurel]

Even more so now that we want to use as much as we can before vanish.

[waxen meteor]

you still take the vanish cd talent right?

[fierce laurel]

Oh. Nm

Davy doesn’t I don’t think

[graceful ravine]

i want to

but the solo matches ive been in yesterday all ended 1 min in

before my 2nd cds come back up

so i had to swap back to no-cdr

healer mmr fucked and was getting 2100 ppl and theyre letting everybody die in the opener

cdr is good if matches can last at least 90 secs

[waxen meteor]

@fierce laurel just logged on, i logged off last time at world quest place far away, can't really check my mastery now in a PvP condition (i still need to finish the quest next time i really log on)

is yours close to 70% mastery?

[tight veldt]

have you been able to work with a decent Sub build? Ik Sin is OP af but like... fuck i missp laying sub

[graceful ravine]

i play sub differently than most people, you can probably go to murlok.io and see the popular talents there

[waxen meteor]

Sub/Sin can be seasonal

or if you have time do both now, solo rank per spec is fun

[tight veldt]

i just hate being a 3 target dot dummy, its annoying

[graceful ravine]

im +300 cr on assa, -200 cr on sub this week

very seasonal indeed...

[waxen meteor]

I feel people's HP grew more than 10k this week

I started to see bunch of 400k mages

makes me feel i am super under geared or sth

[sharp sierra]

after investing so much time in pvp i ended liking it to such an extent that pve content now feels like a scripted kindergarden story time (even in highs keys)

did i just pvp pill myself

[dull bridge]

"bleed is breaking sheep" - ziqo

[waxen meteor]

I did PvE back then before i dropped WoW, and I did both as you

this time i came back with only PvP

Even back then I feel small reason I did PvE is for PvP as well

Main hand dagger was also from PvE

[sharp sierra]

i feel u

[waxen meteor]

For TBC, you gotta have this

[sharp sierra]

pve groups and guilds are so... elitist and they take it so damn serious

[waxen meteor]

WLK is hard, 25HICC Lich King is really challenging

[sharp sierra]

trials... parses...

[waxen meteor]

I didn't get the dagger on time

Eventually i got it but it was too late i think

But 25HICC trinket was still a must have

With solo queue, PvP becomes so time flexible as well

it's also a major adv

[sharp sierra]

icc, ulduar, toc and firelands felt rewarding because the items were impactful

[fallow hemlock]

what talents are these?

[waxen meteor]

Yeah and you didn't have to use the triknet set

[sharp sierra]

nowadays items are just random name
main stat
secondary stat
1/12 upgrade

[waxen meteor]

yep

[sharp sierra]

and to make things worse items are so abundant and expendable that you're probably better off having a stat stick and change it off every season

thunderfury, shadowmourne, valanyr, tiriosh all items that felt cool to have

[waxen meteor]

i was able to collect all 3 orange weapons at TBC

I came back this time and found we couldnt equip range weapon anymore

bow what

doesn't even pop up achievement

[sullen umbra]

is ss mmr like really wacky or am i just getting worse

[tight veldt]

both

[sullen umbra]

oh no

i am like dropping like crazy and it feels bad man

[waxen meteor]

I can feel you

Those days are there

Maybe just wait for a different time of day to play

Sometimes if I get in something like melee lobby 4 times in a row, I start to question myself as well

[tight veldt]

i hate melee lobbies. Seriously dont understand how you possibly win against War /DK when my evasion is a 2 min CD

[dull bridge]

gotta trust in your healer

[waxen meteor]

it's more like your team has to be in sync with you

or if we put out a 2 mins fight end to end continuously, rogue loses for certain

[sullen umbra]

how do i deal with wasting blind on prevoker

[waxen meteor]

Check his buff before throwing?

it's kinda big warning at standard gladiator

voker 30 seconds cc immune is indeed annoying

[warm lance]

Reason why im raiding in classic

Its been hype being able to master loot valanyr shards to someone

[primal ledge]

So, I know it's kinda troll, but it seems like unbreakable stride and troll racial stack. Had a warrior hamstring me and it only lasted 6 seconds.

[dull bridge]

use bigdebuffs

[hearty bane]

I guess you just do this - 🤷🏼‍♂️ .
But I saw lots of evokers doesn’t use that buff. So I assume it’s a talent and not all of them have it?

[sullen umbra]

hmm well maybe this is common knoweledge but if you spam sap it runs through the 3 immunities they have haha

4th actually saps and you can open like normal

[hearty bane]

Omg I just saw 3 stacks on them and never actually tried doing that!

Good to know that, thank you!

[sullen umbra]

i just tried it

cus its so annoying

and it worked haha

[graceful ravine]

make sure u sap from behind

[sullen umbra]

whys that?

[graceful ravine]

so they dont aoe u out

most of them will notice their buff being sapped out and cast the root thing

[waxen meteor]

hmm i thought lots of voker don't use that before we open

[sullen umbra]

well down in the depths of 1.2 they start w it

[waxen meteor]

then you can even wait for 30 seconds

just have your teammates ride around pillar for 30 seconds

[worthy crag]

alot of em will try to enter combat before casting it

so they dont get sapped

well maybe not alot. but some do

[waxen meteor]

yeah i see both

[worthy crag]

Then I just use my 3 subterfuge globals to strip it off

Or wait for a shaman or priest to purge it which rarely happens

[waxen meteor]

and sometimes we do cast the immune and be engaged right away, voker has quite large aoe range

[sullen umbra]

i only get to play ss so cooridinating waiting out a prevoker buff is a no go

[waxen meteor]

so you can't even sap

not to mention 3 times

[waxen meteor]

if your teammate knows to wait for sap, anyway they stay behind

[worthy crag]

Just try to sap it off or use subterfuge cheap shots

[waxen meteor]

if they don't anyway, just go PvE

there are significant amount of players in not high CR range probably don't even know sap is not sheep, can only be used out of combat

they called you to sap and then they run to their face

[graceful ravine]

thats alot of energy, but interesting

do u get cp?

[tight veldt]

not really a thing to not be able to sap off the charges...

[waxen meteor]

Does Garrot silence consume the the stack?

or does silence even applied to voker when they still have stack

[worthy crag]

no

[tight veldt]

honestly. Cant stand him. OP is only okay when hes allowed to abuse it

[graceful ravine]

every team has a rogue

we're so getting nerfed

lol

except 1

[tight veldt]

Ill gladly accept the sin nerf if they just buff sub

[waxen meteor]

wow zero warrior

[tight veldt]

please for hte love of god let me play sub

[graceful ravine]

this is close to s3 all over again

buff outlaw

[sullen umbra]

please don't nerf my spec i am very bad and i cant even break 1.2

[tight veldt]

outlaw = discount sub with pew pew

[sullen umbra]

thanks

[worthy crag]

I think sub is in a decent spot esp with mage buffs

[graceful ravine]

outlaw is closer to an overpowered warrior with cc

when tuned right

LMAO

THAT IS THE BEST TWEET

HAHAHA

[tight veldt]

Whatever you are smoking i want some

[worthy crag]

RSS is a different beast but im waiting to see when i got 4p

I mean it is

[waxen meteor]

havn't done one solo yet this week as sin

where's my 4p

[tight veldt]

teach me to sub dad

[waxen meteor]

feel under geared as fuck

[warm lance]

Ive only played my Arms so far

[worthy crag]

Just "decent" doesnt cut it when you can just be sin and have 17 times easier time to succeed

[graceful ravine]

who knocked out liquid?

[tight veldt]

insert rogue team here

[unborn portal]

[tight veldt]

[waxen meteor]

I am noob, don't bully me

and an under geared noob without 4p

[worthy crag]

unless i get a tier from vault next tue i wont have 4p for 2 more weeks

fml

[waxen meteor]

ok, you are worse than me

[worthy crag]

I mean i have a heroic piece but i rather not sac my stats

i dont think sub 4p is worth sacrificing stats

sin can get away with it

[waxen meteor]

I have been daydreaming to have my 3rd tier from vault this week and finish 4 pc with mission

[tight veldt]

sub 4pc is not. i feel like sin 4pc is worth the sac

[waxen meteor]

because i have been getting 1 pc every 2 weeks for both characters

so this week supposed to be the week!

but it didn't happen

[worthy crag]

Any lobby with arms is like 2-4 this week so i shouldnt queue until they get tuned out hopefully

[waxen meteor]

with how AWC goes, it seems we will be tuned out same time

[worthy crag]

cant win if they are on enemy team and they have shit synergy with me

Sin most likely yeh

[tight veldt]

inb4 they nerf arcane instead of sin

[waxen meteor]

tbh i feel AWC games aren't exactly the same as meta

[graceful ravine]

wow pikas team knocked out cdews team

the fact that either of them could be knocked out top8 is crazy

[tight veldt]

Pika ❤️

[graceful ravine]

agreed, arms fucks us so hard

war banner, intervene, disarm, bladestorm

[waxen meteor]

they will say, see, awc has no arm

[graceful ravine]

all fuck our cc's

[waxen meteor]

literally zero

[tight veldt]

is tehre ANYTHING we can do if we get spear + bladestormed?

Just... bend over and hope the healer can save me?

[waxen meteor]

yeah use trinket and one cd

or pray your healer predict it and react already

[tight veldt]

bless the priest that tried to leap of faith me out

[waxen meteor]

in theory pally can resolve it really easily

but if you wait for 2gcd for healer to react, it may already be too late

it's very hard

it's like a gamble

do you blind trust your healer

[tight veldt]

wtb counter play

I swear it feels more and more like i should just be a stun monkey with sub and let my dps do dmg

[waxen meteor]

and worst part is in solo, if you just die like that first round, they go at you each round

[tight veldt]

everyone is DiD, or plays DK /War

[coarse stone]

is it still possible to farm legend wins in ss on another spec ?

[elfin sequoia]

is this a grief or it could work ?

[tight veldt]

where shrouded 😭

[elfin sequoia]

why shrouded when i go the other side ?

[tight veldt]

garrote dmg is op

i honestly dont think Exsang on a 3min cd is worth it ever

[waxen meteor]

but master assassin has any higher value?

it applies for roughly 6 seconds in 3 mins as well

[tight veldt]

i mean true both options are ass

kekw

[waxen meteor]

yeah but you have to choose 1...

i think Exsang is better .. but just personal

[elfin sequoia]

i just go master cuz i can take iron

so kinda same bad

[waxen meteor]

both leads to iron

[tight veldt]

i mean both lead to iron true, i kinda didnt pay attention to that. i guess exsang > ma

[elfin sequoia]

yeah but i think u get a bit more burst in the opener

with master

[tight veldt]

most of the opener is setup anyways so i guess tech exsang WOULD be better

[waxen meteor]

3 seconds of 30% crit hit when you are basically just starting dots..?

it's like applied to 1 or 2 tikt

[tight veldt]

50k dps opener w/ exsang

[elfin sequoia]

ps: idk if it is right or wrong , i just run this for now cuz i see ppl running the sbs one but idk

[waxen meteor]

Love sbs

[elfin sequoia]

and idk if it is better or not , i can apply more dmg around with this build tho

+kind of an "execute" window with zoldyck

but idk about sbs tho like , why would it work better over AP side

i guess more garrote nodes

bud

but*

[waxen meteor]

hmm depends if you are always close by

[tight veldt]

wait am i high whats sbs

[elfin sequoia]

serrated bone spike

[tight veldt]

oh

my god im dumb

[waxen meteor]

i see a couple of video clips people like pickaboo hiding behind pillars throwing this

in defend seconds

[elfin sequoia]

well yes but the shit thing is also op tho

+20% bleed

[waxen meteor]

and it in general has extremely low energy comsumptiion, does more dmg than

[elfin sequoia]

also idk what to chose between cut to the chase or venom rush

[tight veldt]

neither. doomblade kek

[elfin sequoia]

i mean u can just sbs , throw them and forget about it cuz u apply it to everyone at the start but

[waxen meteor]

it's not just a dot

[elfin sequoia]

idk , i feel like it is too much work for not so much value from it

[waxen meteor]

it's extremely low energy skill, solid dmg, and it's range

[elfin sequoia]

and u think it is worth more than the 20% bleed bonus ?

[waxen meteor]

depends, in melee blend, probably not

[dull bridge]

what %20 bleed bonus

[waxen meteor]

I think he is referring to AP

[dull bridge]

if you're playing AP you're not playing Shrouded

[tight veldt]

156k ST kekw

[dull bridge]

so it actually is less damage on your garrote overall

[elfin sequoia]

but it is more on other bleeds

[waxen meteor]

Losing Shrouded and SBS is a big pain

[dull bridge]

the only thing AP is doing for you is juicing up your rupture and internal bleeding for %32 of the time

[waxen meteor]

but it can be situationally better

[dull bridge]

it's only good if you're playing a setup comp

imo

[worthy crag]

Might wanna run a sim

[graceful ravine]

aoe 85% snare is strong to help your caster

[worthy crag]

just figure out what has more pve output

[dull bridge]

pvp is feelcraft only :))))

[twin burrow]

U can play ap and sbs

[waxen meteor]

and you can team up with warrior, so you constantly get under 35% HP bonus

[dull bridge]

dropping dtb is not an option

[waxen meteor]

hmmmmmm droppin dtb?

[elfin sequoia]

hell nah

w8

what about iron wire ?

w8 w8

[wicked rampart]

You spend all your points in the final 3rd to get both DTB and AP

It's not possible

[waxen meteor]

yeah

[tight veldt]

i think we are all missing the true op build. Dancin w/ blindside

[dull bridge]

iron wire is bis for killing healers

[elfin sequoia]

how is this then

[waxen meteor]

but to be fair you have one chance in whole game, value isn't high in melee blend

[dull bridge]

cdew bitching about rogue while his team isn't playing it, what's new

[elfin sequoia]

nah , nvm , stupid cuz u waste shiv like that

[graceful ravine]

this is a crazy lobby lol

the names

[tight veldt]

jesus

[waxen meteor]

mvqdh

[elfin sequoia]

w8 , xar is on rogue ?

[waxen meteor]

isnn't him the no.1 dh

[elfin sequoia]

no , nvm

[dull bridge]

not wrong, it's droppable

[tight veldt]

im doing it dad. 192k secret tech

i pressed all my buttons

[graceful ravine]

pvp or dummy

[elfin sequoia]

so what u think about this 1 ? but i said it be stupid

[tight veldt]

dummy 😦

[graceful ravine]

sheesh

that hunter got farmed

[tight veldt]

rip jesus

[dull bridge]

it gives you a lot of control on your vanish and meld though. you can dome a healer easily by kidney into vanish cheap shot into garrote

[lucid lark]

[elfin sequoia]

rmp baby

[lucid lark]

I think I might level my disc actually

[elfin sequoia]

shadow?

[lucid lark]

Disc

[elfin sequoia]

why not shadow tho

[lucid lark]

Because it's not disc

[worthy crag]

why not holy?

[elfin sequoia]

in pvp

u wanna afk cast?

nvm

u wanna be locked 24/7

?

[worthy crag]

why not resto?

[lucid lark]

What is the conversation you're trying to have

I just wanna try disc LOL

[elfin sequoia]

why resto when u can cat xD

[worthy crag]

cat dream is kinda dead now

[lucid lark]

Feral is still solid imo, just more bite oriented

[elfin sequoia]

better then , why cat when u can bear

[lucid lark]

They still fuck people up

[tight veldt]

cdew twitter thread is gold

[elfin sequoia]

jj jj , pls don;t kill me

[lucid lark]

Most of the heavy cleave builds got slapped

[lucid lark]

Link

I dont have a twitter

[tight veldt]

#pvp message

[lucid lark]

Oh true ty

[tight veldt]

dude is such a piss poor sore loser its amazing

[lucid lark]

kidney is kind of nuts tho, 20s cd 6s stun is so strong

[tight veldt]

kekw

[lucid lark]

not dispellable like HoJ

[worthy crag]

The complatins are credible though

[graceful ravine]

https://twitter.com/Blizowow/status/1619086810449342464

Blizo (@Blizowow)

Nothing makes me more miserable than facing assarmx, abomination of a class, i cant ever control my character because of kidney into disarm, NERF IT FINALLY

Twitter · Jan 27, 2023, 9:35 PM

love to see it

[worthy crag]

sin is kinda out there atm

[graceful ravine]

hahahahah

[worthy crag]

Lol

[waxen meteor]

lol

[tight veldt]

lol

[waxen meteor]

we are glass but not cannon

so we are not glass cannon, he is right

[elfin sequoia]

btw guys , how do u track ur combo points ?

[tight veldt]

my eyes usually

[waxen meteor]

isnt in any UI

[worthy crag]

I mean 15% cc nerf and no more 6 cp kidney was the nerf

[graceful ravine]

making excuses cos he didnt make top8

its glorious

[tight veldt]

i also hve a game->speech translater that screams, "YOU HAVE 4 COMBO POITNS"

[lucid lark]

hot take but he's right. kidney is a relic that could have its CD doubled and still be S tier

[waxen meteor]

i think CP is at center of your screen in any UI, even the standard...

[elfin sequoia]

@waxen meteor i meant i use NCB cuz i h8 the default one cuz i put em in the middle of my screen

nah fam , it be under char hp or shit and it be ugly

[tight veldt]

im blind, play on brail screen 😦

[tight veldt]

Give me 1 min evasion then. My defensives are ass

[icy canyon]

How much haste is the minimum?

[elfin sequoia]

this is how i got mine cuz i did not find any better way

[tight veldt]

Like honestly, imo if ur gonna nerf Kidney, then give me better defensive options

[worthy crag]

so because sin is op for its pve dmg, kidney should be nerfed and the other 2 specs need to suffer?

I dont see him crying about trilldh getting 2 stuns into fear on DF

[waxen meteor]

but i am surprised there's no warrior

0

probably because everyone prepared the AWC without update this week

[worthy crag]

Think it still would auto lose vs double wizard

and yeah, lack of prep possibly

[elfin sequoia]

do they play on current patch or 1 behind

?

[worthy crag]

This aint league of legends

current patch

[elfin sequoia]

idk man just asking , aint a wow vet here 😦

[graceful ravine]

there was only 2-3 days of 10.05 for warrior practice before awc

prob not enough time to meta swap

[lucid lark]

Im js as a control option, 20s kidney for 6s, regardless of damage is actually a crazy option for all 3 rogue specs and has no dispel it's just kind of nutty because combo points come so easily now

[light estuary]

this dude be maldin

[worthy crag]

It has nothing to do with cp

It had nothing to do with cp ever since the change to make cheap and kidney share DR

Like cdew clinging to the notion that its "op cuz cp so ez now" is like so outdated cuz nobody cares about resource bars anymore

Spriest never ooms for casting vtouch

[light estuary]

it's like complaining hunters no longer have a deadzone or how warriors don't need to stance dance anymore

everyone got qol changes

[worthy crag]

To think kidney would still be S tier at 40 sec cd is actually insane to me

[fierce laurel]

It wouldn’t so..

[spring bough]

about to try a modified build on my outlaw pvp spec and pickup ER to go with my HO build and see how this plays out lol

[lucid lark]

what other stun in the game would outclass it for duration at a 40s CD do you think?

[fiery relic]

Only stun out of stealth and people want a 40 sec CD when matches last 60s total?

[worthy crag]

Idk why ur trying to draw a blanket parallel between rogue stun and other dps stuns when literally the dmg output is leagues apart

[lucid lark]

I dont WANT 40s CD, i'm just talking

[worthy crag]

Can a sub rogue dps like a dh can while waiting for 40 sec ks to come bacm up?

[fierce laurel]

Hammer off justice is exactly that…

[fiery relic]

Ret, arms, ele, all put out 200k in a 3 second burst window while we have to kill people over the course of like 30 seconds

[lucid lark]

dispellable

[fiery relic]

And you want a 40 second stun

[lucid lark]

No I don't, I'm asking a question

[fiery relic]

Just because something is dispellable doesn't mean it gets dispelled constantly

[worthy crag]

The idea is that rogue stun should be better than other class stuns

[spring bough]

kidney should be left alone and let the elite pvper keep complaining

[worthy crag]

if you think thats class favoritism idk what to say other than that I do 17 dps outside stun windows while i get speared into bladestorm into 120k mortal strikes

[fiery relic]

If we balance PVP around AWC everything goes to shit anyway

Warriors get to spam 100k mortal strikes and people are mad we get a stun

[turbid rose]

TBF Rogue is still trading damage resources for that 6 sec stun. HoJ is just a click.

[light estuary]

give me warrior sustained zug dmg and ill take a 2 second kidney every 40 seconds 😄

[fiery relic]

Absolutely this

[wicked tide]

It’s also not a 6 second stun considering everyone has 15%reduced cc and 20% on orca

[light estuary]

i want my backstabs to take out 40% of my target's hp pls

like back in classic 😄

[fiery relic]

Or s1 shadowlands

[worthy crag]

Kind of off topic but it makes me cringe whenever sin is op and people bitch about ROGUE

like, specify the fking spec

[fiery relic]

Sin isn't even OP

It's good

[jaunty mirage]

Assa does warrior sustain though

[worthy crag]

sin is def overtuned with 4p

[spring bough]

its just skill level of players playing sin >>> some others. me for one i cant play sin lol

[fierce laurel]

Sin is a little nuts rn.

[fiery relic]

I think the set bonus could use tuning

[turbid rose]

4pc Sin is pretty strong tbh, isn't it? Like borderline OP.

[jaunty mirage]

Assa is fine, tier sets are dumb

It’s not borderline

[fiery relic]

It's literally just the set bonus

[fierce laurel]

It’s going to come down next tuning pass for sure

[waxen meteor]

4pc sin for me is significant better than sub

[light estuary]

but warrior's are beefy bois

[waxen meteor]

but it's not that better than Warrior etc.

[jaunty mirage]

This happened in SL with tiger sets too

Tier

[spring bough]

isnt the whole point of tier to have an OP set bonus

[waxen meteor]

let's be fair, tier set for sin has very good up time

[jaunty mirage]

Even if they nerf it by 50% though, it’s still going to be very good

[fiery relic]

All they need to do is nerf the uptime

[steel linden]

So what happened in Awc today I missed everything. Who won

[waxen meteor]

don't worry in a couple of days, people complain for warrior more than us

[jaunty mirage]

Not THIS good

[steel linden]

Why are there so many kidney shot memes

[light estuary]

bliz just needs to remove tier sets and tune every class accordingly. The tier sets are only passives anyway, they don't really make you do anything different to your playstyle/rotations

[jaunty mirage]

I mean that’s the issue with assa tier hahaha

You do the same shit, but now your damage is borderline unhealable and you don’t do anything special

[waxen meteor]

mathmatically speaking warrior is basically same tier set as sin

we have let's say 100% up time for 20% bonus on 40% of dmg

which is 8%

warrior the same

[jaunty mirage]

And yet there’s barely any wars

[dull bridge]

homie what game have you been playing

[waxen meteor]

because they got patched only 2 days ago

[light estuary]

imo, i think tiersets should just open up new playstyles (hopefully balanced as horizontal progression lol) instead of just being a passive dmg boost

[worthy crag]

Tuning passes dont rely on awc participation btw. Look at ret

[dull bridge]

it's all arms warriors on 2s ladder

[waxen meteor]

everywhere

[worthy crag]

Ofc since smexxin is the pvp dev theres room for warr favoritism

we will wait and see

[dull bridge]

they usually are

[waxen meteor]

you prepare a champ game based on what was available.
warrior got buffed significantly this tuesday, i don't think they want to swap and re-prepare from scratch

[dull bridge]

they went easy on this tier because of all the other changes

[graceful ravine]

this is the last 7 days

[wise breach]

Wait what? Smexxin works for Blizzard now?

[worthy crag]

Yes

[dull bridge]

that's good

[graceful ravine]

more than double wars than rogues 😮

[dull bridge]

I'm glad there's an experienced pvper on the team

[waxen meteor]

send pika to become his boss

i remember pika reaction show when he played war

[worthy crag]

I dont think exp is really relevant because I think holinka did a fine job

in recent years

But yeah

the tunings so far have been good

[jaunty mirage]

All these teams are practicing with rogues though haha

[wise breach]

That's cool

[worthy crag]

but idk if the same will apply to wqrriors

[jaunty mirage]

If war was as good as rogue, why wouldn’t liquid be practicing with war?

[waxen meteor]

Did you even read?
because warrior indeed sucked before this patch

[dull bridge]

because they were arrogant/lazy

[worthy crag]

They dont have a warrior player

[wise breach]

No time

Mes plays warrior

[jaunty mirage]

Mes has literally played war at tournaments

[worthy crag]

Was he good?

I didnt know he did

[jaunty mirage]

They said they are practicing rogue NEXT week

[dull bridge]

because they're not playing this week kekw

[worthy crag]

Also disc is kinda nuts so that favors rmp even more

[jaunty mirage]

Surely they’d be practicing war next week if it was as good as assa

[wise breach]

Yeah I mean I definitely sympathize with having zero time to practice after a new patch

[tawny kestrel]

its just not as good as assa

warriors issue isnt damage, its survival

[jaunty mirage]

I n kw lol

[tawny kestrel]

but blizzard didnt realize that

so they just buffed random piss

[jaunty mirage]

Everyone else in here doesn’t seem to agree

[tawny kestrel]

make them see reason then

[waxen meteor]

Warrior survival this week?

[jaunty mirage]

Yes

[waxen meteor]

[tawny kestrel]

warriors do in fact just die

[jaunty mirage]

In this meta being able to escape is more valuable than tanking damage

Several AWC teams have the capability to play wars and are instead either practicing rogue or already running one

[tawny kestrel]

ye assa is miles ahead of warrior

anyone who says otherwise is down bad

[jaunty mirage]

Nuts to suggest otherwise

Yeah

[waxen meteor]

sure

[tawny kestrel]

assa is literally the best melee atm

[worthy crag]

In a competitive setting yeah

[tawny kestrel]

in any setting

[worthy crag]

I think ppl should realize that tuning isnt dictated by what gets played in awc

[jaunty mirage]

If you get 4pc assa is better on ladder too

[worthy crag]

Ret got shit on and it wasnt in awc

[tawny kestrel]

ppl gotta stop coping and just realize they can get better

[waxen meteor]

AWC is very specific

[tawny kestrel]

u arent stuck at x rating cus u get countered

or your spec sucks

[worthy crag]

I dont think anyone is saying that sin should dodge a nerf

[waxen meteor]

I think all stats shown for this week is fake

People are dumb, truth is held under few elite

[worthy crag]

Also saying sin needs a nerf has nothing to do with whether arms also needs a nerf

[waxen meteor]

People just go and play warrior becaus warrior is bad

[lucid lark]

Idk, I think rogue should be able to control and deal a lot of damage. That's the class fantasy for the rogue archetype is heavy critical backstab type gameplay. It SHOULD be absolutely terrifying if a rogue opens on you, but this really only worked before multi-dots and bleed heavy builds like in the past

The trade off was, you get control and high damage but your burst was relegated to a single target and swapping was hard for you because of CP being on individual targets. The game has evolved a lot so many specs can play different roles.

[waxen meteor]

Yeah tbh I brought this up mainly because when someone is in front of you, you may escape

[wicked tide]

Both arms warrior and sin rogues are for apes

[waxen meteor]

No one took a bullet for ret last week

[wicked tide]

2 zug zug classes, when u have r1 sin rogues playing with r1 teamates they are broken

[waxen meteor]

R1 is like 10 people tbh

[wicked tide]

every 2100+ warrrior is a nightmare to deal with

[waxen meteor]

Tuning is for everyone

[wicked tide]

not every 2100+ sin rogue feels oppressive like arms warrior

[worthy crag]

Just nerf sin and arms and problem is solved

[wise breach]

I really hate assa's current damage breakdown in PvP, bleeds do too much, which makes multi bleeding insane, and Mutilate and Envenom to an extent tickle

[lucid lark]

What spec do you play?

[wicked tide]

i play sub

i dont like to tunnel damage its not my style of play

and i like my active abilities to do damage, i hate damage over time specs

[lucid lark]

my other character is arms, and double caster absolutely nails arms to the ground and there's very little they can do to like... a lone frost mage

[worthy crag]

Yeah thats probably the biggest factor for lack of arms in awc

youll still lose to double caster

But like i said awc doesnt dictate balancing

[lucid lark]

War also melts if you disarm them before bladestorm, and monks can grapple arms if they use DBTS and it stops it immediately and then they just eat shit

[waxen meteor]

Another reason the reaction is different is the parcipation rate with elite caster

[worthy crag]

Saying "well it loses to wizard cleave" doesnt really lead to "it doesnt deserve a nerf"

[waxen meteor]

Warrior is probably significantly better in melee blend which is quite common in our games

But no in AWC at all

[worthy crag]

Whats DBTS stand for

[lucid lark]

Dy by the sword

[worthy crag]

o ye

[lucid lark]

Their only defensive is removed by grapple weapon. But not other disarms. Being able to step out of spear is big too.

[worthy crag]

Like they could do something like shield block reducing spell dmg at a flat rate for 6 sec etc

and nerf spear and ms

and 2nd bladestorm off avatar

Or make mass spell reflect a pvp talent so they can swap out banner or charge root for it

[lucid lark]

I would like 5-10% damage shaved off arms and bring back intercepting spell reflect. Give bloodrage to both arms and fury(root break)

[worthy crag]

Does disarm on dbts only remove their ability to parry or does it also remove their 30% dmg mitigation

[lucid lark]

I feel like that would feel fine

[worthy crag]

im assuming they still keep the mitigation part

[graceful ravine]

u can disarm dbts?

[worthy crag]

yes

[lucid lark]

You can't parry without a weapon

No

[graceful ravine]

oh wow

step->disarm?

[lucid lark]

You can GRAPPLE WEAPON

only monks

Can do it inside of DBTS

[worthy crag]

i know that, im asking if they still keep the mitigation portion of dbts

[tawny kestrel]

u can ye

[graceful ravine]

ah shiet

genius

[lucid lark]

They lose parry

4pc monk that knows the grapple weapon thing will eat a warrior alive

ask me how I know

[worthy crag]

I still just save disarm for warbreaker

since they still get 30% less dmf

dmg

no point to commit a dance

[graceful ravine]

anyone know if acrobatic strikes apply to duel range?

[worthy crag]

It should

it applies to kick too

[unborn portal]

Should

[lucid lark]

If you get hit with warbreaker, I'd wait for the stormbolt then trinket disarm so he can't bladestorm/avatar. Its typically Spear->gcd->breaker->gcd->storm bolt and then avatar+bladestorm is off GCD so if u can trinket bolt+disarm if it happens before warbreaker for some reason, then run to the edge of the spear and when it pulls you, step to a friend and you've fundamentally shredded arms damage for the next minutes until warbreaker

[graceful ravine]

you can run edge of spear and step?

[worthy crag]

It is doable but i have not practiced doing it reliably

I normally ask for a grip and then step if im in comms

[waxen meteor]

You sort of need to jump and step while being pulled back

Not sure if it works now

[worthy crag]

The idea is that while ur being pulled back, if you use another teleport the pull gets cancelled

[lucid lark]

The timing is surprisingly generous

Generous enough for it to be an option every time

[waxen meteor]

But I don’t fully agree after you escape from spear you are away from warrior dmg for minutes…

Even if you abuse the bug 100% accurately with your super skill

And be fair, I think it’s a bug not a design

[worthy crag]

Depends on how youd define a bug on a technical level

I wouldnt say its a bug

More like a design oversight

[waxen meteor]

It probably just goes around how spears circle you technically

[lucid lark]

By the time he's out of disarm, warbreaker has 2s left, he can still avatar when he gets back on you, but then you trade evasion for his bladestorm/avatar and he cant bolt thru eva because war typically blows it on burst target

I'm not saying it's perfect but there are methods

[tight veldt]

thank god you used evasion on avatar. Too bad he has it again in 1 min while ur only defensive is on CD

[worthy crag]

You can in fact stormbolt on evasion

[lucid lark]

i'm saying it's down in that scenario

[waxen meteor]

Isn’t 1 major problem against warrior when both out of cds?

[lucid lark]

yes but you've made his damage more deal-withable for yourself and healer at least

[waxen meteor]

In well organized 3s with casters behind probably less concerns for sure

[tight veldt]

For rthat go yes. in 45 seconds hes still going to Spear + BS /Avatar AGAIN and you have notihng except disarm for a few seconds.

My issue with Arms rn as a rogue is there is NOTHING i can do to survive a second go except run/hope my healer cna save my ass.

Or thats how it feels

[lucid lark]

step the spear again in a minute

30s shadowstep

[tight veldt]

inside the stormbolt?

my counterplay is a .5 second reaction to spear animation?

[graceful ravine]

wait til u find out the warrior is also a dwarf

[waxen meteor]

And not certain if it works …

[lucid lark]

It does work

[tight veldt]

you 100% cannot step out of spear

I have tried, it does not work

[lucid lark]

I literally did it in a random BG like hours ago

[waxen meteor]

And you also save the step for ww

[worthy crag]

Its a nuanced way of stepping

Not just pressing shadowstep in the center

[tight veldt]

It does not work lol. You had to have trinketed or gotten BoP'd. You cannot step the spear unless you manage to react to the animation

OR you never got hit with it in the first place

[lucid lark]

Lemme go find a warrior

And record it

[worthy crag]

Its probably easier to understand if you see it than try to explain it in text

[waxen meteor]

And it’s at least debatable if it’s a bug

I don’t really know if abusing a bug is a solution

[tight veldt]

If you are shadowstepping spear, you either A) Did not get tethered by it in the first place, B) trinket /bob or C) There's a bug where you can stand on the ABSOLUTE EDGE and step out

[worthy crag]

Again, id use the word design oversight

not a bug

[tight veldt]

in which case, stating you can step out of spear is still false because it is a bug and not intended

[worthy crag]

The logic of spear is that it will pull in an escapee once per attempt

By that logic if they teleport again during the pull the logic is still obeyed but they escape

Hence it is not a bug

[tight veldt]

The spear tehters you for the duration and is supposed t pull you back regardless

[worthy crag]

Unintended game mechanic doesnt always mean a bug

[tight veldt]

saying i can walk out of spear, get pulled, and step MID PULL is a design flaw /bug and not working as intended. Therefor... not valid

[worthy crag]

Thats like saying stepping dk grip is a bug

its literally the same logic

[tight veldt]

No, it is not

[worthy crag]

Its just that spear pull "resets" after the pull is done

[tight veldt]

Slappy hands specifies ONE PULL per use

[waxen meteor]

That’s just how it’s implemented

[tame nexus]

I side stepped a spear in a 1v1 while sprinting. Not sure if it’s normal

[waxen meteor]

Text is

[worthy crag]

Sigh

i said grip

not slappy hands

[tight veldt]

okay and? it still stands. IF you get death gripped, you are able to step it because you arent TETHERED

[worthy crag]

If a dk grip reset its cd after the grip was complete it would be identical to spear

[tight veldt]

No, it is not lol

[worthy crag]

That doesnt mean rogue cant step during grip animation

[tight veldt]

The DK grip pulls you to them, it does not attach you to the location

Spear TETHERS you to the location

[worthy crag]

How do you think a pulling tether is implemented other than a pull

[tight veldt]

DK grips, you step, he grips you a second time, you can still step OUT because it is not attaching you to the location

Because grip does not ATTACH YOU to the location mate

[lucid lark]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/SyP0JDirdZ5et/d1337yOshI2L?invite=cr-MSxQbVgsODg3Njc4NzEs

[worthy crag]

And how would you implement attachment to a location other than have that location mimic a pull

lol

[graceful ravine]

legend

[worthy crag]

All im saying is just because it is an oversight doesnt make it a bug

[graceful ravine]

now do the same but -50% slowed

cos you will be slowed

[tight veldt]

You bugged the spear.

It is not intended

and you had to use 2 steps of step for it

[worthy crag]

w.e I rather not repeat the same point over and over

[tight veldt]

Are you not understanding what a tether is?

[graceful ravine]

why 2 steps?

[waxen meteor]

That’s a technical question. It doesn’t even matter imo

[worthy crag]

Yes and technically unintended design doesnt mean bug lol

[tight veldt]

There is a difference between attaching you to a fixed location and KEEPING you there, and a pull to location

[graceful ravine]

who cares

[waxen meteor]

You can have the ‘pull’ condition recalculation set as everyone 0.0001 sec

[graceful ravine]

its just semantics

bug or not

[worthy crag]

It is

[graceful ravine]

abuse it

learn it

use it

[worthy crag]

Im just bored at work

[graceful ravine]

do whatever it takes to win

[waxen meteor]

And get fixed

[warm lance]

Instructions unclear playing warrior

[lucid lark]

I fucked up the first one lmao

[worthy crag]

Imagine if they actually fix it without nerfing spear at all

The outrage would be insane

[tight veldt]

I still dont undetand what you actually did because of the way that angled. do you run out of spear and step MID pull back?

[waxen meteor]

Imagine they made the same mistake on warrior as on ret two patch in a row

[lucid lark]

yes

[worthy crag]

wasnt a mistake

[waxen meteor]

Tuning on pve without pvp modifications

[lucid lark]

as the spear pulls you in, RIGHT as it starts, you step and the spear breaks

[worthy crag]

Oh

u mean 2 patches ago

aka the buff

nvm

[tight veldt]

100% not intended to work like that, but interesting; thank you for that

[lucid lark]

nothing in this game works as intended

[worthy crag]

On a side note, Id wager trying to actually implement an everlasting tether to an area on the ground would be a coding nightmare

[lucid lark]

consider it an "advanced technique"

[jaunty mirage]

How can we step spear when our eyes aren’t real?

[lucid lark]

real eyes realize real lies

[worthy crag]

Speaking like nzoth isnt dead

[warm lance]

How can you be sure our eyes arent real if our ass has taste buds

[tight veldt]

I thought that was nuts

[warm lance]

Or is it

Its the 5g waves

[lucid lark]

Yeah howl/HS will make the timing difficult

[warm lance]

Oh right speaking of warriors

Earlier today I had this

[hardy helm]

Hey everyone, whats the meta rn for rouges?

is it sin?

[warm lance]

Disappointment is real

[lucid lark]

118? lite work

[warm lance]

Look at the noncrit

[hardy helm]

my bad if its a dumb question, back to the game from a break

[warm lance]

Assa is meta yes

All viable tho

[tight veldt]

cap

[hardy helm]

Okay

[lucid lark]

Yeah arms damage swings so strangely

[warm lance]

Yeah

Actual highest crit ive got was 143k

But as it is I dont think ive felt this same satisfaction dmg number wise since wrath

[lucid lark]

the dumbest thing I ever did was each unhinged crit some dude for 110k inside bladestorm

[warm lance]

Just big juicy whackers

[worthy crag]

i fking hate arms

[warm lance]

I hate playing against it

I love playing it

[hardy helm]

Can someone link me a solid sin build?

[warm lance]

I loved it before IP now its just better

[tight veldt]

[worthy crag]

1 more m+ and i get my 418 infusion

im almost hitting keystone master just from grinding this shit

[lucid lark]

ah shit here we go again

[worthy crag]

Theres an addon that saves your macros and keybinds

[lucid lark]

Ya i'm redoing my keybinds entirely

[worthy crag]

I use it to unify all across my alts

[lucid lark]

I just came back to the game so

Time for some new habits

[worthy crag]

defs toolbox, dtb for short

[lucid lark]

Also ever since the incident... it's been tough

[tacit crane]

What are the pieces that an assa rogue uses from tier set?

[lucid lark]

whatever you can get lmao

[worthy crag]

U either miss out on hands or gloves

personal pref

i mean

[tacit crane]

Aren't those the same

[worthy crag]

helm and glove

[jaunty mirage]

Any 4 pieces that you can get before they nerf it

[worthy crag]

U could get crafted pvp helm and do tier glove

or tier helm and verse mast glove

ideally.

[lucid lark]

get infurious helm and boots, build around that after your first vault assuming you havent had a vault yet

[still mortar]

Someone here useing Uber Ui?
Im getting Lua error everytime i target an enemy in pvp
Uber UI/core/miscframes.lua:64: attempt to index field 'BottomBarFrameTexture' (a nil value)
Someone seen this before?
Bottom bar frame texture

[worthy crag]

Might get better resource at the addons webpage

[still mortar]

idk how to find it

Annyos me, everytime i target someone in bg

it pops

[worthy crag]

That probably means it has poor support or no support at all and it is time for you to jump ship to a better maintained addon

[lucid lark]

am I losing my mind, does disc not have shadow word:pain

[worthy crag]

replaced by purge the wicked

[lucid lark]

thanks babe

[tight veldt]

oy whats the sin opener rn?

i feel like im majorly fucking up my burst

[lucid lark]

i dont know anything other than stupid rogue tricks

[worthy crag]

last time i played sin was ..

Bfa season 2? or some shit

[tacit crane]

MfD > Kidney > Garrote

If you're playing ER, you can do ER into 7cp Rupture

At some point you gotta use SnD and keep it up with envenom spam

[elfin sequoia]

w8 wut

7 cp ???

how ?

in what world

[tight veldt]

Echoing?

[elfin sequoia]

oh

yeye

i am dumb

[tacit crane]

ER makes it so any finisher on that CP is spent as a 7cp finisher

[elfin sequoia]

i forgot it counts as 7

brain stop

[tight veldt]

mfd --> kidney --> garrote --> er --> Rup --> deathmark id assume and then shiv?

[lucid lark]

I blame tier culture for this failure

[tacit crane]

If you're playing 4set, then it might be good to apply dots on another target

[elfin sequoia]

shiv before dm

[tacit crane]

I mean, deathmark is supposed to be on goes

[tawny kestrel]

u dont just send deathmark

into certain things u dont even press it

[tacit crane]

You only use that on burst

[worthy crag]

wonder if sin will get the ret treatment

or a wrist slap like ele

[tight veldt]

i mean i guess for burst rotation? we pre-apply ruip and garrote then deathmark since it replicates?

the wording confuses the fuck out of me

[worthy crag]

Yee you pre apply

[proper heath]

Ok if we get nerfed then warlocks and shamans get nerfed with us .

🤨

Awc has way too many assa rogues .

Hard to keep us on the down low

[tawny kestrel]

shouldnt be an issue

ask anyone in here and theyll say rogue sucks

even tho both assa and sub are the best specs in the game

[unborn portal]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-anton-javier-bardem-no-country-for-old-men-gif-22022371

[tawny kestrel]

[unborn portal]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[tight veldt]

Rogue doesnt suck

rogues defensives suck

[tight veldt]

meta w/ zug zug 1 min dps cooldowns, and our only defensive to counter it is a disarm, and a 2 min evasion

[tawny kestrel]

vanish is nice

[tight veldt]

that breaks on dots/bleeds

after 3 seconds, and you lose offensive garrote for it

[tawny kestrel]

nah idk man anyone who says rogue is bad atm is on some of the hardest copium known to man kind

im sorry

but rogue is the best melee atm

[tight veldt]

again, nobody says rogue is bad lol

[tawny kestrel]

anything else is wrong

[tight veldt]

SUB is bad

[tawny kestrel]

no

its not

[tight veldt]

lol yes, it is. Outside of ST it has zero damage at all

my SS shouldnt hit harder than an evisc

[muted cypress]

Need outlaw buffs plzzzz

[tight veldt]

white knighting it and saying that sub "isnt bad" is copium

in fact, MOST people agree that sublaw is better sub than sub is

[tawny kestrel]

what content is sub bad in

[tight veldt]

this is the pvp channel is it not?

[tawny kestrel]

it is

[tight veldt]

then there's your answer. Outlaw and Sin both far outperform Sub in everyway EXCEPT maybe control

and that comes at the expense of ALL your damage

[tawny kestrel]

sub is crazy in solo shuffle at least

good in 2s

good in 3s

good in rbg

idk where its bad

[tight veldt]

idk what you are smoking but it is NOT crazy in solo, 2s or 3s. The control is sub-optimal, and its damage outside of dance is literally slapping somebody with a feather

[warm lance]

Sub is good

And in solo its very annoying to deal with and wins very easily

Actually tanky too

[tawny kestrel]

ye 2 vanishes is nice

[waxen meteor]

Sub is good but it’s not crazy