pvp

[jolly sierra]

we miserably died after that

[solar monolith]

3s

i know 2s comps

[potent pivot]

assa/sp/rdru or priest or hpal

assa/lock

[jolly sierra]

i would use dpriest personally for all the matches

after reset they become a dps more alongside the healing

[potent pivot]

i think assa/dh or assa/dk is decent

assa/mage

[graceful ravine]

4pc sub looking decent

[potent pivot]

which healer you bring matters a little less

[potent pivot]

been trying to tell people

not running that free damage for more vers/mastery is just trolling

[elfin sequoia]

i like how sub does not need to do dmg

u just pot ur shit and the amount of heal reduction u do is sick

[solar monolith]

yeah sub is more control while assass is single targe and rott

[potent pivot]

assa isn't single target

it's biggest strength is multi dotting

[jaunty osprey]

^^^^^^^^

apply pressure

[solar monolith]

do rogues get killed by warriors right now or do rogues kill warriors?

[potent pivot]

kinda depends on who's the better player honestly

warrior is pretty strong rn but so is rogue

[elfin sequoia]

i mean assa there

not sub

F

[potent pivot]

i strongly disagree

[elfin sequoia]

why

[potent pivot]

sub is just fine

[elfin sequoia]

not that

i meant that i like assa how has a lot of utility from the fact u just make em take less heal

[potent pivot]

sub has that too

[elfin sequoia]

not at the same lvl

[potent pivot]

?

it's at the exact same level

[elfin sequoia]

since when do u use hemotoxin on sub ?

[potent pivot]

sub just doesn't have hemo

it has wound and improved wound as well

[elfin sequoia]

well yes but that aint the point of sub

sub is burst windows

assa is more aoe control with dots

[potent pivot]

sub can literally do the same thing

+have burst windows

[elfin sequoia]

sub has a different job lmao

[potent pivot]

nah

you're just boxing it into that job

[elfin sequoia]

while u control shit as assa , sub must execute

that is why u get shadow duel lmao

[potent pivot]

differing opinions

[elfin sequoia]

also , what build do ppl run now on sub ?

[potent pivot]

sub can play rupture build and have really decent sustained damage

there's like 4 builds sub can play

[elfin sequoia]

i am running this one but have't changed it in a bit

[potent pivot]

you can go dark brew instead of rotten

you can take gloomblade/rupture talent

there's loads of different stuff sub can do

[elfin sequoia]

idk about main tho

[fierce laurel]

I think I’m going to trade deeper stratagem for vigor again.

I miss it.

[elfin sequoia]

and just 1 dance?

[shut solstice]

Thanks homie

[fierce laurel]

No. Vigor is only 4 points from the one thay just got posted

[waxen meteor]

1 dance is not acceptable...

[silent umbra]

Does anyone else here just fucking suck at assa or is it just me ?

[elfin sequoia]

u running the wrong mindset

trust

[waxen meteor]

Region and CR range..?

[elfin sequoia]

after reaching 1.1 with less effort than opening the game

it be ez

[silent umbra]

NA / <1000

[elfin sequoia]

trust the way man

[waxen meteor]

OK, <1000 I guess just takes some practice, don't worry

[elfin sequoia]

also 4 piece set makes u better

[waxen meteor]

atm, i don't think we are bad

[silent umbra]

I have 4pc 😂 but 2 are pve so ilvl a bit lower. But ya, appreciate it guys, just had to let out some frustration. Continue to go under 3 wins most games and it gets frustrating being the kill target every round

[elfin sequoia]

i only got pve 4 pc?

wdym ?

[jolly sierra]

im playing with 3 lfr pieces

[waxen meteor]

To learn how to defend and sometimes even 'sell your teammate' can be a good way to grow

[jolly sierra]

and won 6 rounds anyways

[waxen meteor]

Obviously in 4 melee lobby it's never easy

[silent umbra]

2 of my set pieces scale to 424 (or 421? Can’t remember) in pvp. 2 do not

[waxen meteor]

424

[silent umbra]

Are there any audio cues (WAs or add ons) that signal enemy offensive cds ? Currently using gladiusex, but audio might be better for me

[waxen meteor]

I am only 3 out of 4 pcs

I play with audio off, not able to help here

[jolly sierra]

my game expires in 30 more mins OOF

[fierce laurel]

Gladiator losa or something

[waxen meteor]

You mean subcription?

[jolly sierra]

yeah

[waxen meteor]

RIP

[jolly sierra]

have backup gold, but will renew tomorrow

[elfin sequoia]

ok

u can not play sub in solo...

[graceful ravine]

fun fact, earthern wall doesnt work in duel 😛

https://streamable.com/ksnz9h

[tribal bay]

i also suck at assa

i can actually win rounds as sub

i play assa and feed 0-6 every time

[tribal bay]

glaislosa or something

[idle field]

Teea danger alerts is decent

WA

[elfin sequoia]

for me it is the other way , somehow i can win more as assa that i played 10 times less than sub that i main pve wise xD

[silent umbra]

Thanks boys I’ll check those out

[silent umbra]

I’m gonna start here, appreciate it

Just gonna keep grinding. Try to increase awareness and positioning

[bitter tendon]

anyone know if frozen devotion procs from rupture unstealth you?

[potent pivot]

that's a good question, i honestly haven't talked to enough people running it to know. typically 2x Sophic Devo are the recommended enchants; but you could always toss a rupture on someone in a duel and test it out i suppose

not 100% sure if you'd drop combat on a dummy and mess with the proc or not

[bitter tendon]

didnt think about dueling a friend, i already switched back to sophic, but ill have my friend try it on me later, and if its not already debunked, ill try and remember to post the results in here

[dense thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8V9Rl9IneA

This is what its like to listen to awc arena team comms lol.. anyone else or just me?

[steel linden]

I think I understand now how broken assa damage is with 4 piece

I ran a bunch of 1300 2s with a new preservation evoker friend and there were games where I felt like my damage was unhealable

[unborn portal]

should I race change to NE from human

[keen dune]

NE really strong in all parts of the game ngl

[warm lance]

NE are hot

[jolly sierra]

pandas are thicc

btw im checking w the expired acc and they unlocked all the xmogs

from holidays for any season

[warm lance]

pandas are furry

noty

[jolly sierra]

that is the future

but anyways, im still checking stuff

they unlocked the tuxedo from noblegarden too

but more generic looking things like the rose from valentine are still blocked

anyways tomorrow is the ygo tournament and dont wanna be disqualified again by forget to switch sleeves

bye guys see you later

[waxen meteor]

@wicked rampart did you have 4set already?

[wicked rampart]

ya

[glass robin]

I’m sure this is asked a million times, but does anyone have youtube or other resource for learning rogue rbg? I’m completely new to rogue (main DK/Priest/Sham)

[waxen meteor]

tbh it's not asked a million times, hardly anyone talks about rbg here

[glass robin]

Do you mind sharing your build?

[potent pivot]

check murlok.io (links in the pins)

[glass robin]

Idk why i didn’t just go there TY

[glass robin]

Any comments on if one spec is out performing others in rbg? I’m seeing on Murlock Sub > Ass > Combat based on highest rated CR rogues

[waxen meteor]

I don't do much RBG tbh, but I agree sub is better at RBG

in RBG, if you put rogue in big group fights, Sin probably is > Sub. but let's be fair, if you want to another man in gangbang, maybe warrior/dh/dk as melee can simply do better than rogue, any spec

Most likely you have rogue to carry single activities or small groups (maybe stealth group)

1on1 or small groups without healer, sub is better. better burst, better survival plus shadow duel

and sub has better CD overall

[graceful ravine]

theres no class i hate more than warriors

god damn

[waxen meteor]

As sin or sub or both

[graceful ravine]

both

lost 200 rating on sub today fighting warriors every lobby

sadge

[waxen meteor]

Wait for 3 weeks

[broken prism]

hey quick question, im positive rouges could press somehting to just walk out of spear of bastion.. waht was that again?
cloak?

[silent umbra]

How many games a day or week do you think you guys play?

[waxen meteor]

Doesn’t exist

[fierce crystal]

u could cloak before, doesnt work anymore @broken prism

[graceful ravine]

played 3-4 shuffles in a row where the healer was 300-400 cr less than everybody else

blizz mustve changed something in the algo for faster queues

[fierce laurel]

They did

I had a Druid one game with 320k hp in a war DH survival sub lobby.

He went 0-6 and was the only person who died all game.

[waxen meteor]

Healer overall has quite larger range of mmr to match

I mean it’s somehow acceptable

[marsh sky]

it's a visual bug

you just missed

[graceful ravine]

healer mmr is so fucked

look at this

they both went 3-3 in a 2400 lobby and at 2100 cr

they gained nothing

[fierce laurel]

If they went 4-2 one would have gained a lot and the other not lost nearly as much

It’s a trade off.

[graceful ravine]

when your cr is lower than the mmr of the match, even at 3-3 you should gain some

esp 300 cr lower

but guess game still puts them at 2100 mmr even tho theyre in a 2400 lobby

[lucid lark]

Not relevant because I'm sure there's a lot of different factors at play, but my rogue is 65 and just getting absolutely dogged on in low-level BGs

My health sits at about 130k, but people I'm fighting sometimes have up to like 180k and hit like grown ass men

[eternal oriole]

is haste ring the 2nd ring we should buy? with mastery being first

[marsh sky]

who knows what add on this is?

and how do you disable it

[warm lance]

Warrior is so silly

Its not an addon

[marsh sky]

where is the option to remove it

[warm lance]

Combat

personal resource display

106k non crit. 118k crit. what

[marsh sky]

tysm!

that would be 2x execute stacks + 2x overpower stacks + smash + avatar + sharpen + trinket

and then it doesn't crit

[warm lance]

I know

But its still stupid

[marsh sky]

yes very

[warm lance]

I mean ill take it

[marsh sky]

I got hit for 200k about an hour ago

[warm lance]

Im fine with my alt being crazy good

[marsh sky]

and my healer in SS goes, why didn't you evasion

[lucid lark]

Honestly true tho,

[marsh sky]

well bob, I didn't know he was gonna 1 tap me 0.1 seconds into storm bolt

[warm lance]

Always expect the banger

[marsh sky]

yeah true

I do now lol

[warm lance]

Fatality especially is hilarious against like warlocks

[lucid lark]

war discord says 99% of the time storm bolt kill target

[warm lance]

just getting a few stacks of it then pressing execute

[lucid lark]

so thats a trinket evasion my friend

[warm lance]

I can count the amount of times ive storm bolted healer instead of kill target

[marsh sky]

I like saving evasion for spear coz you can't get out of it

[warm lance]

In one hand

You can if you time shadowstep to your healer/range enemy right at the moment its trying to yank you back in

[lucid lark]

walk to the edge of the ring, right before it pulls you and then step to healer

[marsh sky]

spear + avatar

is that a thing/

what

[lucid lark]

yes

[warm lance]

Yes

[marsh sky]

that's tight

thanks

[warm lance]

Or be a DK and press your mobility move

I guess

[lucid lark]

I miss like 90% of my spears because people can bug out of it, immune out of it but just walking to the edge and RIGHT as it is about to grip and sip, you step and it breaks

[marsh sky]

can you still fade spear as preist?

[lucid lark]

It takes some practice

but its an option

mfw you alt tab on your proto drake to type in discord and you just realized you've been listening to it scream on loop for like 3 minutes

[marsh sky]

I hate the scream loop

needs an igcd longer than 2 seconds

[warm lance]

Gaining +70s on warr atm

Kinda speed running the rating all of a sudden

"who woulda thunk"

[marsh sky]

tf is the range on shiv

LMFAO

[warm lance]

ye

[urban creek]

ok hear me out guys, i have been playing with this build yesterday and it felt really good, the dots after kingsbane and stepsis was insane to heal against

note i have 0set since the char is 70 for like 3 days now

[celest nexus]

What's considered "nearby" for arterial precison?

[warm lance]

See the pic in chat just now

[mellow plume]

what talent tree u guys using rn

i feel so much weaker this patch tbh but i dont have tier set yet

but im just getting melted

by melee cleaves every game

[marsh sky]

that's rogue

you just gotta rng good comps

[long roost]

You gotta constantly rotated disarm defensive a and cc on the dps to not jus t fall over

It’s rough

[sharp sierra]

i wanna try prevoker and disc so bad but leveling sucks so muchhhhhhhhh

its been 20 years and they've done nothing to make leveling interesting

[warm lance]

Its fast as fcuk though

Should be decently fast with timewalking on right now too

[sharp sierra]

yeah fair

[sharp sierra]

sub stats

[slow prism]

is there is build without blindside?

[frail summit]

what's st hits for on that mastery?

[sharp sierra]

110k st

[tame rivet]

a 3rd point in zold would be so good

[tame rivet]

aren't evokers privileged and start right in DF?

[urban creek]

ye true but what should i remove for that?

[wanton breach]

you'd have to give up on either shrouded suffocation or sepsis, there is not enough points in the lower tier of the tree

[urban creek]

ye

but i cant give up stepsis because i feel like it is the reason why the build is working for me

and SS is important too

[wanton breach]

stepsis

[rose iris]

Guys in solo shuffle

after 2 garrote opener do i keep spread

garroet

or just use it on kill tar

theres literally 0 guides out there and the pins here are not of much help either dont feel like joining a community just to get redirected to a guide that you have to pay for also sadge

[sharp sierra]

bg hero having an ego

[rose iris]

is this thread dead?

[long roost]

What, it’s midday in Europe, so half the folk are busy I’d guess

[rose iris]

nah fam im homeless and no job so

[long roost]

But there’s no guides cause it depends on so many factors

[rose iris]

so theres no general idea?

[long roost]

You can spread pressure you can focus, i try to keep at least two dotted up

It depends on what your doing, what you’re against what cds are available what they already used

Etc etc

Bear in mind aswell your own comp, will your bleeds on cc targets cause problems with breaking it

More targets dotted is more dmg and energy overall, but it’s not always just a straightforward answer

[rose iris]

That sounds weird af that theres no general idea

[long roost]

Cause it’s pvp

[rose iris]

On war its a genereal idea what to do with downtime etc

[long roost]

Warr can just smash face and get away with it tho

[rose iris]

Big

[long roost]

The broad idea is, more dots more dmg n energy regen..

But you have to think about everything else aswell

[tawny kestrel]

it depends what you face

if people are stacked u can bleed however many people u want

not worth to go out of ur way to run 40 yards to keep bleeds up

[potent pivot]

Yes you can keep spreading garrote, and no one is suggesting you pay for guides but skillcapped also has a lot of free information. Especially on their YouTube channel.

[sharp sierra]

ok i guess

[potent pivot]

But just as Kash and Raz said as well

[silent umbra]

“Is this thread dead” 440am on the west coast 😂

But there’s actually a recent pikaboo video on YT that’s super interesting. He actually reviews user submitted games and talks about what he would do in those situations , where to improve , what the person is doing right. I’ll link it

https://youtu.be/D7dIWhC-ds8

[twin burrow]

I'm jealous pika always seems excited. Guess he's living his best life

😭

[gaunt trout]

Do you guys think Pika does adderall? 😂

[tribal bay]

yep i agree but u get flamed for saying this

the reason rogue is hard to learn in pvp is because no content creators out there helping with guides its cringe tbh

[tame rivet]

vs wars that don't jump on me from the start i keep them on focus and bind disarm on focus target, keys A or D (or whatever I press constantly).

like that I know that if they ever jump me

kyrian spear or wtv, they're disarmed right when they get close

[rose iris]

yeah sadge 😦 i dont mean to sound harsh just that for example i play war also plenty people helping plenty guides free also i watch skill capped videos but ofc thats more general for me i want som1 that plays only assa for example to say

[rose iris]

He smoke weed 8)

[tame rivet]

well, besides a basic rotation i feel like most buttong rogue has are 100% situational

[tribal bay]

yeah sadly there isnt anyone its a hard life

[silent umbra]

Try watching the video I just sent. Sin gameplay starts around halfway in if I remember correctly, you’ll find it. It’s after outlaw

[tame rivet]

you need the basic rotation and game sense

[tribal bay]

ill give it a shot

cheers

[rose iris]

yes and the basic rotation / prio list is what it hink about like

i started rogue yday i try sap into blind always hehe

[tame rivet]

hmm

why not blind into sap

[rose iris]

well can do that also but its literally what pika said a good way is to start with sap into blind

[tame rivet]

depends what you play

high cr strats don't work in solo shuffle

[rose iris]

he literally said that in the guide u sent

[tame rivet]

I didn't send anything 😦

[rose iris]

ah ok

SR

[silent umbra]

Yeah, I’m starting off with sap blind on healer as much as possible

[tame rivet]

np, just saying most shit is situational

[tribal bay]

every class is situational

they stilll have guides

[rose iris]

did u reach high cr with that

[gaunt trout]

My typical SS experience is just getting trained every match

[tame rivet]

there's no reason to try and do sap into blind if your other dps is a zug zug that will charge into the blind on second 1

[rose iris]

Yeah true rogue seems very bad at that maybe most hide in shadows

[tribal bay]

u dont need a PHD to play rogue you just need someone whos willing to put in the time to make a guide

[rose iris]

yeah i got off nice sap earlier today and war literally charges right into it

[tame rivet]

tell me more about how warr is situational - is literally the same buttons all the time, the same order to empower abilities

[rose iris]

if u dont use def stance pre kidney ur kinda dead as war

[tribal bay]

lol

tell me u dont play warr without telling me u dont play warr

[silent umbra]

I’m relatively new to the rogue PvP journey, especially on sin. Started outlaw, then sub, then sin. I felt the same way you do about guides. The video above has helped a decent amount. It’s geared towards lower / average rating, which is where I’m at. If you’re already at 2k or above ratinf, you hopefilly know most of the stuff he talks about

[rose iris]

the old rant that war is just zug zug is so meh literally no class is zug zug

[tame rivet]

I don't feel like warriors and demon hunters are situational as wall because they can zug zug, make mistakes, and still stay alive

[tribal bay]

if a warrior just zug zugs hes gonna die

[tame rivet]

sounds like you didn't do many average cr arenas

[silent umbra]

Make sure to state in gates who you’re gonna sap blind, even if it’s the healer or seems obvious. If someone still attacks that person, just move on. Can’t do anything about that

[warm lance]

Playing a Warrior has really shown me many things about how people play Assa

These guys just firing off Vanish to DPS then wonder why theyre so squish

[tame rivet]

i don't need to play warrior to rant about the fact that a full honor with 2-conquest pieces arms can do unhealable damage while i have a pocket healer

[warm lance]

Especially vs a warrior thats not a great idea

[rose iris]

rogues literally can kite the shit out of wars

[tame rivet]

and regarding the "situational" aspect, my issue is that the so-called "zug zug" classes can do mistakes and not get punished for it

but anyway, this is irrelevant as most people here only compare "situations" in high-cr environments

[rose iris]

What did u reach as rogue then

[silent umbra]

So is mine. Every class knows how “squishy” sin rogues are. Have you tried staying in stealth a bit longer than comfortable? Getting your opener off on your terms is huge, at lower rating at least. Getting popped out of stealth feels horrible and hard to come back from

[rose iris]

This is somethink i thougth about today actually

also when i vanish not insta come back but wait analyze what to do and chill

[silent umbra]

Yeah I mean I feel like that’s probably a good idea most of the time. Once again, I would never pretend to be a high cr player. I’m trying to climb. I lose a lot, and have a lot to learn. Just trying to share my experience with other new players who may be experiencing difficulty / frustration. There are a lot of high cr players on here actually, but it sometimes it feels like they’re playing in a different world haha.

[rose iris]

Yes its important to stay humble and not think ur better than u are u wont lear nby doing that thats why im open and honest im 1500 rating atm trying to get better 🙂

[rose iris]

did u reach lets say 2k as rogue? if so what did ut hink more about to learn

[long roost]

It feels like ss is mostly just survive dps disrupt

No fancy shit required

[rose iris]

Thats true the dampening ramps hard also

[tame rivet]

no, that was my point. i'm as low as crap - i'm not saying this isn't a good place to learn, but every time i see people asking for specific vs. situations you get the casual 2.2k reply taht you can never apply in even 1.4k cr, unless you get boosted and your team does that for you - and advice that doesn't work in solo shuffle

[sharp sierra]

perks of being an alliance player: go pee miss queue
go get drink miss queue
return, queue and get insta

[hearty bane]

Can sub also be considered a zugzug, when they cheese?

[sharp sierra]

burbur i think

[hearty bane]

So more like a cheese sound then

[sharp sierra]

yep

[hearty bane]

Because to my surprise we still cheese!

I’m talking 1400 though but I’m okay with that

[unborn portal]

You will not win ss on any class or spec as fast as playing sub rogue afaik (doesn’t happen often) but when you do the risky full send

Had games end in like 6 seconds

[long roost]

Sub rogues seem to blow someone up or do nothing useful all game

In ss

[unborn portal]

You can do decent rot damage as rupture build

[hearty bane]

Yeah, same. And you can no longer get discouraged when looking at sins or feral 4m damage, because to score a win you only need like 400k dmg

[unborn portal]

Yeah I almost never top dmg meter as sub

[hearty bane]

It only takes so much, yeah. And I remember playing a feral with a huge dmg output but still losing

[unborn portal]

[gaunt trout]

Is sub better in SS?

[hearty bane]

wym nothing useful? You can disarm or gouge that fotm arms warrior!

[hearty bane]

Not sure, but I personally definitely love sub better. 2 vanishes!

[potent pivot]

You don’t get flamed for saying there’s no guides unless you’re being rude about it man. I’m working on stuff, but you won’t see it until it’s finished.

Just don’t act like you’re owed a guide/information. It’s that simple. Plenty of people are here to help and you don’t see how much time is being put in outside of this channel, ya know?

[unborn portal]

I got 2100 literally first season in pvp playing rouge just by watching streams

no youtube no rogue discord

if you really want to learn you dont make excuses for the lack of content you seek it out

[hearty bane]

Yeah mark of the master assassin was that of a thing

Sorry 🙂

[potent pivot]

Yeah it’s possible. But I do want there to be as much information available here as possible, and so does everyone I think. It’s just a little disrespectful to the people who are putting in time in the background to complain about the lack of information available at the moment

(Only that first sentence is really replying to you Mack)

[uneven grove]

man assa went 2-4 in my lobby with 4pc

he should be banned

[silent umbra]

Lol

[uneven grove]

i mean these guys can't even press buttons, i did 3 leg sweeps and he did 4 kidney same match

lmao

[silent umbra]

The number of under 3 win games Ive had with 4pc would make you cry

[hearty bane]

I’ve seen so many 58 cr assas today

[hearty bane]

Was one of them myself yesterday

[uneven grove]

what is 58 cr?

[hearty bane]

Current rating

[sharp sierra]

why cant we bring pvp power/resilience back

m+ players just straight up go into arena and bgs and outperform pvp gear

[potent pivot]

I don’t think I’ve ever felt that way

[silent umbra]

You think? How do you know if it’s gear or skill?

[sharp sierra]

healer diff in solo shuffle

[potent pivot]

PvE gear is pretty weak compared to PvP gear

[sharp sierra]

one pve geared one pvp

[silent umbra]

& you attribute their success to gear?

[sharp sierra]

same rating

[potent pivot]

Rating does not equal skill level

[long roost]

That’s a skill diff

Pvp gear makes you significantly more durable

I’ve got 30 odd % resilience

I’d melt if I had full pve crit mastery gear

[uneven grove]

*healer class type difference in solo shuffle

corrected it for you 😄

[sharp sierra]

no way this person just said that

[hearty bane]

Wait isn’t versatility the same thing?

[uneven grove]

i played my resto shaman today, nothing srs just 1.6k lobbies

i feel so fcking useless after 1 min it's insane

[steel linden]

Yes lol, and pvp gear has drastically higher vers and generally higher main stat

[uneven grove]

dampening is the laziest, shittiest mechanics ever in any game

[potent pivot]

Iirc it’s not the exact same thing but it’s very similar

[uneven grove]

why they can't increase mana costs or anything

[sharp sierra]

i would agree with that

[uneven grove]

i would rather go out of mana, than just do 0 healing

[sharp sierra]

nothing like going in a mirror comp with starting 30% dampening

[hearty bane]

You speak like a sub rogue

[steel linden]

Very few 20+ key running mythic raiders queue pvp regularly and they'll still be sub 420 ilvl and sub 30% vers. Maybe they can rip some cheese one shots with high Crit but eh

I love that gear isn't an issue at all this expansion once you have some conq and filler strife token pieces

[long roost]

All my pve friends avoid pvp cause they just don’t get it, and they get rekt

And they don’t get why they need new gear

[steel linden]

Yeah, the KSH guys in my guild that are like 7/8 H 2/8 M are still like 409 ilvl max

[potent pivot]

Really? That’s odd

Even some folks who push really high m+ start to stack vers for survivability

[long roost]

Yeah but they just see it as stupid “ I already have 420 Ilvl, why do I need specific pvp gear”

[steel linden]

Two friends who are new to pvp queued some 2s and 3s with me and it was only after 30 games I realized they weren't running PVP trinkets

[potent pivot]

[long roost]

My pve gear is just my pvp gear with new trinkets…

[steel linden]

The one guy was like "I got my weapons, do I save for chest piece now?" And I inspected him and he was running Manic Grieftorch and something else

[long roost]

I deffo didn’t forget to swap them back last time I did solo shuffle first round

[sharp sierra]

my pve 'friends' say toxic things about pvp but complain how weak their classes are in keys

[rose iris]

Guys you play assa in pve also?

[long roost]

Yes

[potent pivot]

I mythic raided until Season 4 of SL

[steel linden]

On a lot of the raid bosses yes, but outlaw is pulling ahead. I never play assa in M+

[rose iris]

outlaw seems super hard to track what dices are best lol

or do you even track them?

[long roost]

What

[tame rivet]

there's a weak aura for that

[long roost]

Luxthos weak auras

[unborn portal]

ye ik

[rose iris]

so you just reroll till u have best?

[tame rivet]

tells you like "terrible" when the roll is bad

[potent pivot]

[rose iris]

well that sounds good

[long roost]

Basically retool did you get skull n crossbones if you want easymode

[rose iris]

oh ok

outlaw maybe is the way 🙂

the new aoe rupture / garrote feels really nice tho 🙂

[sharp sierra]

should dots be reduced in duration for pvp?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[sharp sierra]

20 sec moonfire

longest period of time trying to restealth

[uneven grove]

2nd day of progress

[sharp sierra]

[uneven grove]

it's my WW tho, warr and rogue sitting at 1.9k xd

i refused to abuse SotWL when it was broken, then i was unlucky with vault

so i decided to give it a shot now

but man i won't play until ele is nerfed, that shit is pathetic

[sharp sierra]

agree

400k+ hp, no casts, slot machine critting

and for some reason tankier than locks

[tribal bay]

tanky?

am i missing something

ele's melt

[hearty bane]

I also thought we almost always play ele

Oh and where was this website with the kill targets priority

[lucid lark]

I can't wait until these interviews are over so I can fully care about wow more

[hearty bane]

Yep, there it is, “first blood” column:

https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=target

[lucid lark]

Wow pres is absolutely disgusting lmfao

[tribal bay]

so, kill assa rogues obv

they suck apparently

[uneven grove]

nah if he is decent he kills whole team sooner than he dies

ele should have a jump in the first place

it has 2 roots which don't share DRs

2 knockbacks

[lucid lark]

Projection also really good. If you get him in a smoke bomb and he projects

[uneven grove]

interrupt immunity

[lucid lark]

Same for spear

[hearty bane]

The weirdest thing is that I’ve played like 30 rounds as assa (obviously underperforming), and was a kill target like twice

[lucid lark]

I think it's psychological. People see that sin is being called the S tier melee, so FOTM people just assume it's because of damage and survival and focus the lowest tier class in the lobby

[sharp sierra]

what is that red thing

but damn eles having the highest wr

[lucid lark]

As arms, I was KT most of my matches but when ignore pain was brought in, I haven't died yet bc people assume I'm invincible now with a 50k shield

[warm lance]

Ive climbed up to 1.7k on warr now from the 1.1k it was at originally

I think at this rate hes gonna get 2.1 before my rogue

[lucid lark]

I shelved my arms for now because I don't think I'm enjoying it

From a gameplay perspective, its just kind of boring.

[warm lance]

Im liking it.

I never liked the hyper spam arms it turned to at some point, cata i think it was

I only played warrior until cata release and been on off from the class since

[tribal bay]

i still clap arms warrs on my dk

[warm lance]

Warr is far from invincible now with IP

Theyre just not paper anymore

[lucid lark]

Yeah, unless DK is the KT, war being nailed to the ground by chains is just gonna be crazy difficult for any melee, but war doesn't have its own root clear besides bloodrage for fury iirc

[sharp sierra]

honestly classes should not have every single tool that the other class has

homogenized class design sucks

[twin burrow]

u ever try classic? lol... id rather be able to continue using abilities that heal less then running around with 0 mana not using abilities and not able to drink. dampening > oom imho

[tight veldt]

i would rather have sub buffs 😭

[twin burrow]

never healed tho so...

[warm lance]

Just had the first leaver since patch

[lucid lark]

That is currently my problem with this version of Wow, damage is bloated because of walls, walls are bloated because of CC, CC is bloated because of mobility, etc.

But I think I like it more than some classes just not being viable outright in past versions of WoW

[twin burrow]

representation is 👌 rn

hope it holds, if so it shows good class design and patching

when we get 1 shot by an ability can we say '-33%

like, final reckoning lol -33%

[sharp sierra]

ret one shot for 2-3 days

nerfed immediately

[lucid lark]

I honestly think that blizz should phone up the class devs for each class from MoP, pay them whatever they want to come back and they all redesign everything

MoP combat systems with more modern gearing and item availability would be so choice

[sharp sierra]

cata pvp wasnt bad too

you still had strong stuff but everything could work

[fierce laurel]

I played warrior in cata 😭

[sharp sierra]

wrath pvp is armor pen stack

[potent pivot]

Ruthless glad

[lucid lark]

I liked cata, but I can't recall a time where I personally had more fun than in MoP on a large variety of classses

[sharp sierra]

ruthless was a great time

[potent pivot]

Amazing time

Def one of my favorite eras of pvp

[sharp sierra]

i remember playing holy paladin in cataclysmic glad times and it was very smooth

[potent pivot]

I only ever played rogue back in the day

[sharp sierra]

3000 reckful videos

[lucid lark]

Such a good dude. I remember just before he started popping off, there was a good bit of duels going on from the rogue forums back then

Rogue forums back then were so crisp. So much good info and theorycrafting

[tight veldt]

wtb this back plz

[lucid lark]

I remember talking so much about setups and the little tips/tricks and shit with like.. Dask, Buddhist, Raeli

[sharp sierra]

rogue design was good with recuperate

[lucid lark]

Raeli I still talk to actually

[sharp sierra]

were there actual gms in game around that time?

not like rn everything automated

[lucid lark]

Sometimes, yeah

Had a few GMs fix bugged bosses for us

Honestly I just miss the post-streamer era of this game. Imo streaming is too prevalent now. Everyone is trying to be a personality

[uneven grove]

i started wow in tbc, played wotlk too, yeah literally that's what resource for

to use it

and then run out of it

[lucid lark]

Imo this kinda falls apart when DPS/Tanks don't abide by that rule anymore. Healers running out of resources when DPS literally cannot. Seems like healers are stuck in an old design philosophy and the gameplay suffers because of it. Healers should have an infinite resource if dampening is a thing. But running out of mana, managing CDs around dampening has got to be cancer to a lot of healers

[quasi sorrel]

When did dps run out of resources?

[uneven grove]

i don't mind streaming, i miss when i saw a new reckful, akrios, hydra, drakedog movie pop up on warcraftmovies.com

[lucid lark]

Hunters before focus, casters before their extra resources

[quasi sorrel]

Except hunters with aspect of the viper

[lucid lark]

Basically everything except rogues and wars

[uneven grove]

we can go into an endless argument then
healer run out of resource -> bad, they cry
healer has dampening -> bad, they cry
healer sit in CC -> bad, they cry

what is the solution then? bfa? let them heal for 15 minutes and boredom will kill enemies

[quasi sorrel]

Realistically I don't remember last time casters actually ran out of mana even in classic (wotlk)

But again my memory might be scuffed

[tribal bay]

lol they literally do run out in classic tho

so fast

[twin burrow]

its easier to balance when ooming isnt an issue too

or at least not the primary WC or it being a countdown to when u lose

[long topaz]

anyone good with plater? i copied a profile which i like, but enemy totems just show as Totem on their nameplates, not which totem. Kinda hard to see which totem i need to focus like this, anyone know how to make it show it's full name?

[uneven grove]

idk mana gem, evocation, life tap

all of these were such cool stuff imho

ofc it wouldn't work today cus a mage could never channel a full evocation

everyone has way too much mobility and distruption

it's all about the zugzug harder than the enemy

[uneven grove]

i am watching Pika's VOD about yesterday AWC

they put Liquid to the bench

man Pika is noob using internal bleeding, he probably doesn't read this discord

[potent pivot]

[uneven grove]

nah just kidding I use it too

[waxen meteor]

Pika prefers burst overall i feel?

When i do dummy, internal bleed is like 7-10% burst dmg

[wraith plinth]

is assa op rn or is everyone just malding over the flavor of the day 'op' class

[fiery relic]

It's the 4 piece set bonus

It's making a huge difference

And everyone is starting to get it at the same time as burst classes being nerfed, which is an indirect buff to sin

[wraith plinth]

Okay cuz I tried solo shuffle at launch as outlaw and wasn't really digging it, and i've been queueing as sin this week and it feels amazing and im having a blast but im also bad so

[fiery relic]

So because of those things happening at the same time, sin is feeling really good

Unless you don't have your 4pc

[wraith plinth]

i got a 5-1 in a like 1950ish mmr lobby so, im feeling pretty good 😄

[uneven grove]

it is broken if u have 4pc

if u don't have it u are just op af

[wraith plinth]

i do have 4pc, but its the pve 4pc

but i dont think that matters

[uneven grove]

pve=pvp 4pc same

[fiery relic]

It's the same

[wraith plinth]

yeah just not the scaling ilvl right?

[fiery relic]

I can't wait for them to nerf it before I even fucking get it

[uneven grove]

it should be already nerfed

ahh man today i hit a 120k RSK on a 4pc assa rogue

felt good ngl

after that i logged on my assa and farmed a WW in SS

[tight veldt]

my only issue with sin rn is all the fucking dark iron

so tilting

[lucid citrus]

According to Murlock.io not alot of sin players are running AP, do we only take AP against melee cleave comps?

[fiery relic]

A lot of people are running it because it's new and it needs to be tested

The numbers are probably inflated a bit atm

[alpine axle]

Also worth noting that the people showing up on murlok may not even have any games played since the patch

[graceful ravine]

not a big fan of AP anymore, too niche of situations to have it optimally used

[twin burrow]

i have felt insanely strong in 2v2 playing ap

however im getting double shivs and bleeds ez

but its like both enemies are dead at the same time

without 4pc, nutty

[graceful ravine]

enemy healer dont know how to max range or something?

[smoky stone]

some big ass assasin rogue that plays a good aoe build can i play this? or is there something i should change

[graceful ravine]

god no

take that off your bars

[twin burrow]

bro how dare u insult us like that

[smoky stone]

[twin burrow]

trickz hasnt slept since tueday, davy been pumping builds

jk

[smoky stone]

wanna see my troll sub built?

[twin burrow]

yes

[smoky stone]

actually you can play it but

not that big of an insult then Assa

[twin burrow]

not terrible

[smoky stone]

yea but not big pog either imo

and my base def build got broken

[twin burrow]

now all your base are belong to us

[smoky stone]

[twin burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/all-your-base-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us-zero-wing-zerowung-gif-23152926

[smoky stone]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-gif-19642906

whats your assa aoe build btw?

[unborn portal]

I got absolutely shafted in a lobby last night

1 arms, 1 fury, 1 ele, 1 mw, 1 hpal

Bubble. Cocoon for goes

[smoky stone]

i see i see

[smoky stone]

which one of the 2s

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

For rbg team fights this is actually good

But only for that specifically tbh

[smoky stone]

I mostly play rbg

[potent pivot]

If you’re going to be mostly team fighting it’s ok

[smoky stone]

yea but i need one for arena too

[potent pivot]

But if you’re going to be shadowing the flag runner it’s kinda ehh

[smoky stone]

im lacking there

[potent pivot]

Check the pins

[tight veldt]

Why no secret tech 😭

[smoky stone]

no no i only teamfight

[potent pivot]

There’s a sin build in the pins

[smoky stone]

yea i saw

[potent pivot]

Running a couple points in Zoldycks seems to have some merit to it as well if you have 4p

[graceful ravine]

why does the build in the pins recommend system shock

[potent pivot]

Because Blindside is good

Owait

You mean the pvp talent

[graceful ravine]

sprint freedom isnt even on the list

[potent pivot]

I didn’t write the guide man

[smoky stone]

Whispyr trolling again

[potent pivot]

I just gave the build

I did mention it to him

[smoky stone]

No speed for us i guess

[potent pivot]

Yeah I also mentioned that

Can’t really control it

[tight veldt]

sprint > system

[potent pivot]

This is obvious yes

[graceful ravine]

also interesting theyre recommending a build that no one really uses...

murlok

0 picks blindside

[potent pivot]

Top 50 and “no one” are two different things

[tight veldt]

blindisde sleeper

[graceful ravine]

its so dark you cant even see the talent

lmao

[potent pivot]

Ambush hits hard and is free on proc

[graceful ravine]

i get it, this is rogue discord and that dude is an admin so we're obligated to have that pinned

[potent pivot]

Give it a try before doubting

[graceful ravine]

just funny

[potent pivot]

We’re not obligated, no

[graceful ravine]

then why recommend it if none of the top50 rogues across any brackets pick the talent

[tight veldt]

blindside is so slept on

[potent pivot]

But the talent build is a proven successful build since week 1

[graceful ravine]

proven by whom

not the top50 rogues lol

[potent pivot]

Shadenox and plenty of people

[rugged cedar]

This is probably because the profile in question uses a mod like Abbreviated Names (since the last word of a mob is usually the only info needed for things like m+). You can find it in the "Modding" tab. Not sure how to disable it for totems specifically (guess you have to change the code of the mod a bit) but you could disable the mod if you're pvping.

[graceful ravine]

shadenox himself doesnt play blindside

i checked 4 of his rogues, none picked it

[potent pivot]

You’re also just going off of Armory data

[jolly sierra]

if they dropped blindside then discovered something isn't right w that

[potent pivot]

Nah

Blindside cranks

[jolly sierra]

i used to play blindside and dropped it

after checking recount

[graceful ravine]

i mean murlok is a pretty good indicator. If it was good, consider the statistical odds "Zero" top50 rogues across 3 brackets picking the talent

[alpine axle]

Recount

[potent pivot]

If you want to debate it actually go run it and bring evidence to the table

[graceful ravine]

those odds are pretty damn low

[jolly sierra]

im too poor to use a computer which can run details kek

[graceful ravine]

my evidence is zero reputable rogues running it and top50 rogues prefer to pick something else

we're not even talking bout niche awc here

this is top50 across 3 brackets

a good sample size

[jolly sierra]

think in top 50 in every bracket

so u have like 400 persons counting RBG

[potent pivot]

It’s 200 if you don’t count people that are in different brackets

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah

sorry

200

[graceful ravine]

and what are the odds of the best 200 rogues all deciding not to pick a "good talent"

even if 5-10% pick it, then an argument can be made that its good for some niche situations

but zero.... cant wrap my head around that

[dull bridge]

there are sometimes "sleeper" builds but i have to agree with dayv here - what's more probable: there's a sleeper op talent choice that has been noticed by none of the top players or it's not that good

[potent pivot]

I’ve already stated if the meta changes in the next couple weeks I’d change my recommendation. I’m not rushing to change my recommendation just because “lol top 50” this and that.

[tight veldt]

the alternate is 1 point in TTB, and IB

or even Exsang

[graceful ravine]

you do you man, im saying its just gonna cause a load of confusion later on when the casuals go off your recommended build and see everybody else doing different, then come back here and ask

which also comes back to the memes to never trust wowhead/icyveins for pvp recommendations

[dull bridge]

eh they're gonna do that regardless lol

15 "what's the new talent build" posts every day

[wise breach]

Dropping Internal Bleeding is trolling and you won't be able to convince me otherwise

[potent pivot]

I get where you’re coming from, I do. But also keep in mind those that actually need recommendations are a majority considered beginners to players like you or I. It is what it is, but I’m not planning on catering to changing builds weekly for recommendations if that makes sense. It’s not really sustainable and I’m not going to recommend something different based only on certain things.

[tight veldt]

the dmg is the same unless taking AP,

arguably more instant vs ot

[jolly sierra]

demo lock survi round

im fucked as rog

[wise breach]

I guess we'll see what people run in AWC this weekend, ultimately it's cool to have some disagreements and no single set in stone build

[graceful ravine]

prepared to see triple dwarf teams

[chrome schooner]

I have to say

I kind of gave up on it

:p

[tawny kestrel]

i think you should also be careful with putting “false” information out there. just because you’re not a top player doesn’t mean you shouldn’t play what top players are playing. I don’t see the point in being taught to play in a suboptimal way, just to later have to learn to play in a different way. Same goes for your gear recommendations, you could have an end goal and then a beginner gear set recommendation, if that makes sense

[lucid lark]

I already see so many DiD. Waiting for the day blizz removes racials and tier sets in PVP. Would be so much more even and easier to balance

[empty carbon]

dropping improved poisons with DTB seems kinda troll

[graceful ravine]

i feel bad for ferals, who get indirected fucked by the dwarves cos of assa lmao

[dull bridge]

oh master, have you been playing the "old" build?

[lucid lark]

my strategy for this is to never feel bad for ferals

[chrome schooner]

what does the "old" build mean ?

[waxen meteor]

it's literally really funny when i compared dark dwarf with Mag'har orc

they should be fairly equal level isn't it
but imagine
orc has a tiny % less duration but dwarf can remove it.
orc can has a different skill to pump a random secondary stat, while dwarf simply pump multiple stack of primary stats

[potent pivot]

Yeah no I get you for sure, but at the time the build in the pins was one of the best builds, which tbh it still is. It’s not “false”, but this is also why I’m working on a FAQ

But to be real with you everyone is talking without testing anything themselves

[dull bridge]

DTB, SBS, not going to the left leg of the tree below venom rush at all - basically what people has been running since the beginning of the season

[tight veldt]

Turns dancesin is best

[potent pivot]

That build is still successful at higher ratings as well, it’s not just like a “beginner” build

[chrome schooner]

Oh yes, well, then that's what I play (the screen posted by Dayv a little bit above is my character if I followed the conversation correctly?). I don't even play Venom Rush because I don't think I've ever had energy issue so I prefer IB as it makes Kidney even more lethal

[twin burrow]

i was never fully sold on DTB .. like, one util posion and deadly poison is better then the left side? how?

[dull bridge]

word thank you - I've learned a lot from your videos

[graceful ravine]

lethal dose

each poison is 2% more dmg

[dull bridge]

well deadly poison is %10-12 of my damage and if you want to have healing reduction you really don't have a choice. you also get double utility poisons which is insane

[graceful ravine]

which doubles during deathmark

[jolly sierra]

lose 40 cr

the hpal with 1k7 cr fucked all the round

no bops and no bubble in time

[graceful ravine]

wound poison also doubles to 50% ms in pvp during deathmark, which is huge

[unreal pewter]

I saw in the patch notes that if you're duelist you should get teh primal storm enchant

did any of you get ?

[lucid lark]

I don't see how you can function without double poisons. It's so good

[unreal pewter]

I was duelist b4 the patch

[wicked rampart]

The illusion got removed from the patch notes later in the day apparently lol

[unreal pewter]

Ok just making sure I didn't get jipped

[wicked rampart]

Well you still did, but so did everybody else 😉

[fierce laurel]

I was just modifying his build to keep it functionally the same but better.

[fierce laurel]

First dance

[hearty bane]

Oh yeah I remember MoP pvp system damn well, every class got their own sprint, Monks were introduced and with their insane mobility, and rogue had literally UNENDING sprints, you just had to press this button every 2sec

[lucid lark]

I miss uhh

Spinning Fire Blossom? That monks had. Was the first like "skillshot" back when League was popping off. I thought skill shot stuff would be the future for WoW. Nailing someone with SFB from range was so satisfying

[hearty bane]

I think its also where dpriest feathers were introduced too

And priests were sprinting like insane

[lucid lark]

That's when all three lock specs are super unique and fun in their own right

Then the warlock class dev who was WILDLY loved, talked a little shit on twitter and got fired, then the next lock dev re-wrote EVERYTHING about lock

[alpine axle]

Tbf all the warlocks specs were designed to not have any weaknesses and be strong in pretty much every scenario

Which meant that they were just giga op throughout the entire expansion

[graceful ravine]

what he say to get fired

[hearty bane]

Ironically I did also play warlock a lot during MoP but the only thing I remember is messing around with those plants in the garden, was pretty dope

[dull bridge]

that dev has a really good writeup on how they designed the specs

let me see if I can find it, it's a really good read

[dull bridge]

https://xelnath.com/2018/05/15/the-mop-warlock-what-you-knew-and-what-you-never-knew-you-missed/

[lucid lark]

tl;dr blizz wanted cataclysm to be the thing for destro, but he wanted to balance damage around big chaos bolts. He publicly talked shit about the meetings with blizzard and got canned

[fierce laurel]

Have you seen destros damage profile in pvp now?

It’s like 40% soul burn 20% immo 20% conflagration 10% chaos bolt 10% else.

Like I get not wanting them to be pure chaos bolt because then the game is simply decided around how many they cast. But they don’t even need it right now.

[tight veldt]

i died around a pillar to rift dmg so that was fun

[long roost]

i seem to be gettin blended today..

[hearty bane]

I saw a warrior die to druids thorns the other day

[tacit lotus]

someone got the bug where you life is scaled down? at some point i had 50 k hp

[hearty bane]

It seem to be pretty common these days, it’s all over reddit today as well

[lucid lark]

some guy was getting killed by sap yesterday

they're pushing patches out really fast. BUT AT WHAT COST

[hearty bane]

Yeah at least I could upgrade my drakebreaker’s shiv today

[tight veldt]

BUT AT WHAT COST

[hearty bane]

I know, someone died to sap because of me 😦

And it wasn’t even my sap, but I still feel responsibility

[lucid lark]

Can evokers DB or verdant out of roots?

[tight veldt]

Its an evoker id just assume they can do anything

[lucid lark]

True

[neon slate]

are we running 4 piece for sub or nah

its kinda TRASH

[lucid lark]

Its trash but is it less trash to not have it?

[neon slate]

idk thats what im asking lol

[buoyant echo]

Hi, I'm new to PvP. Which spec would you recommend for BGs, please ?

[neon slate]

are the secondary stats of other gear better than tier set

[lucid lark]

I like outlaw a lot for shenanigans for CTF but honestly all of them are fine. Rogues are just good AF in general for BG content.

[potent pivot]

Nope

[lucid lark]

Any spec can flag spin, play objectives, be offensive or defend.

[buoyant echo]

I feel so lame in PvP. Like, i panic when I fight. My brain stops, and I dont know what am I doing 😄 Any cure for that ? 😄

[potent pivot]

Lots of practice

[lucid lark]

Play

[feral pollen]

Haha, I just came back to game after almost 10 years or so. I do the same thing

[lucid lark]

Play and play and play

[potent pivot]

Gotta stay calm and study the situation

[feral pollen]

I tunnel really bad too

[lucid lark]

Eventually your mind-body connection to the class will overcome your panic. Your eyes will rest on what your enemy is doing instead of what your next button will be. it just comes naturally after awhile.

[potent pivot]

Learn what every class can do, how to react, etc

[feral pollen]

That's my main problem right now, I have no clue what other classes do

[potent pivot]

Watch some streams

[feral pollen]

I do

I;m learning

[potent pivot]

Can be a good way to see other classes play

[lucid lark]

New players will fumble their rotation, have no clue what other classes are doing but then like.. top streamers will be casually plowing people at 3K mmr while they laugh and talk to their chat in stream while their room mate has a kazoo contest in the other rooms.

ALL THINGS IN LIFE come down to practice practice practice

[buoyant echo]

My biggest mistake is that I for example want to stun guy, but in that hurry I forget to fill my CP, so I give him only shitty stun. Or like give him before he uses trinket. Many dumb mistakes 😄

[lucid lark]

Yeah, it's all part of the learning curve

[eternal oriole]

Is there a guide for sin rogue rotation?

[buoyant echo]

I know other classes pretty well. I played every class except monk, DH, DK, and warrior.

[feral pollen]

I use kidney a lot on targets that can't be stunned, just bc I don't know, haha

[buoyant echo]

So should I just try to practice, and I will get used to it ? Because that adrenaline hits really paralyses me 😄

[lucid lark]

That's not a huge problem in arena because you can set up your UI to keep track of enemy defensive/offensive CDs and also the diminshing retuns on CC on a target

In BGs it's harder to tell

[hearty bane]

I’d still recommend a sub, because I can’t imagine a rogue without 2 vanishes. And an extra vanish is a good thing to have on a bg

[feral pollen]

345 rounds of solo shuffle with 176 wins at 1479 rating. I'm getting there 👍

[potent pivot]

The rotations in the IceyVeins assa pvp guide are a decent starting point

[buoyant echo]

Good to know, and now -30s from CDs is really good thing 😄 TBH i am used to have only one vanish 😄 this became just now in DF:D

[lucid lark]

Honestly, focus on making a UI that works for you -> make some keybinds that make sense. Try to match rogue keybinds with similar abilities to classes you know better -> practice your fundamental opener and rotation on a dummy and gradually try to do it without looking at your keyboard or your keybinds -> try to apply everything in casual PVP for a few weeks/months

If you're dedicated to the class or spec then it will happen organically over time

[buoyant echo]

I play rogue most of time, but you know, PvE is pretty low end against PvP 😄

Maybe I can try to reorganize my abilities to more pvp friendly

[hearty bane]

I thought CDR should reduce 50% less when in PVP, but I’m not sure

[dull bridge]

it is

[hearty bane]

Oh wait its 30 total

Nvm then

[buoyant echo]

I need to make some fancy build for PvP 😄

Like, Outlaw seems to be pretty nerfed in 10.0.5

[graceful ravine]

AWC is on btw

[hearty bane]

Btw I guess flag build might also work great on BGs, because there seems to be more opportunity to use it

[graceful ravine]

haha team Graftal scored a duel kill in awc

sub/ww/disc vs ele demo evoker

cheese works!

[viscid nacelle]

And then got put in the dirt 😅

[lucid lark]

that shadowstep onto the healer to eat the trap was crazy

[rugged cedar]

I just found out Touch of the Grave still breaks stealth. Is this blizzard's way of getting me to pay for a race change

[hearty bane]

Takenotes has been sitting on that prevoker for the whole time

[graceful ravine]

ppl only fall for cheese once lol

then they hold trinket forever

[hearty bane]

And still die 🤷🏼‍♂️

[graceful ravine]

seeing tonyferal on a rogue

hahaha

[hearty bane]

He did use the ER though

I thought it’s not viable anymore

[graceful ravine]

most assa use ER

[hearty bane]

No I mean Takenotes

Assa yea

[potent pivot]

ER is plenty viable for assa/sub

[graceful ravine]

half ppl take ER, half go 7 cp

[hearty bane]

Guess imuna go make some tests tomorrow

[potent pivot]

Just depends which build you run/what you want your rotation to be on goes

[graceful ravine]

shoxy playing dfa like a chad

[potent pivot]

Seriously?

Not watching as I’m at work

[graceful ravine]

luuxia shouldve played a healer that could be dwarf

mb kasuxoxo shouldve played surv

[jolly sierra]

won 3 and earned 8 cr

i need to play more later xdd

but btw, hpal + surv + demo in a shuffle is a cursed match anyways

1st time after the nerf i've saw a demo again

[neon slate]

lobbies w/ 3 melee cleave in it are so fucking hard

like warrior DH DK last round idk man

does evasion stop kirian spear damage?

[dull bridge]

idk what the fuck i'm dying to in kyrian spear with cloak and evasion up\

but it's kinda lame

[graceful ravine]

trinket stormbolt

[dull bridge]

outside stormbolt of course

[dull bridge]

it's arcane so it doesn't

[frosty wing]

Guys

Forget it

Cheat Death is bugged

There's no way a mutilate goes through 7% of my hp and 85% damage reduction

[dull bridge]

some other people were also saying the same thing

[frosty wing]

But it's been bugged forever

It's just so sad

[dull bridge]

apparently feign death is also broken and doesn't give the shield nor cleanse debuffs with the talent on

[graceful ravine]

GOOD

had to deal with an entire expansion of FD dispelling all assa bleeds

[frosty wing]

As if assa isn't broken anyway

[dull bridge]

craven was a good time to be a hunter main

abused that shit for so long

craven + mending bandage = kekw

nobody playing AP in awc as expected because they're not griefers

[graceful ravine]

no one plays execute either

[twin burrow]

i have a clip of me bleeding a guy whos hiding behind a pillar

cheat procc'd and he didnt gain hp he just died

im running zoldyck.. so its possible he just pop'd but ...

[graceful ravine]

zold is good for shuffles cos damping is much higher than 3v3

[twin burrow]

ah thats why my 2s is insane

2s dampening > 3s < solo ?

[graceful ravine]

2s damp > solo > 3s

[twin burrow]

ty

[graceful ravine]

highest damp to lowest

[twin burrow]

it was increased anyway for all i beleive

ohh highest to lowest okay thanks

[graceful ravine]

think 2s start off higher, 30% and slowly goes to 50% by 4-5 min mark

solo starts off at 10, and quickly ramps to 50% by 3 min

[uneven grove]

i had a ret, WW, warrior lobby today, i would take that any day over 2+ casters lobby

[frosty wing]

If the tooltip is correct, Cheat Death should cancel the fatal attack and put as 7% hp which is between 25-28k

And then it reduces damage taken by 85% for 3 whole seconds

[graceful ravine]

whazz is up

playing exsang

[frosty wing]

There's no poisons or dots in this game that go through cheat death

[granite zinc]

anyone know the best way to farm primals ..forgot about those things when I tried to craft the pvp stuff on my fresh alt ha

[frosty wing]

Primal chaos?

[granite zinc]

yes sir

[frosty wing]

I think it's by looting disturbed dirt, expedition packs and what not

[uneven grove]

just play arena

[frosty wing]

just fly around, collect everything

[granite zinc]

[frosty wing]

Arena gives them?

[twin burrow]

waz playing dbt or ap

[uneven grove]

ofc

[granite zinc]

you get em in skirmish?

[frosty wing]

Oh maybe from chests yeah

[uneven grove]

if it gives chest at the end yes

[dull bridge]

whaaz playing exsang AND master assassin

[granite zinc]

whaaz hands sweating

[dull bridge]

now I know he's 57 trillion time world champion but isn't ma super low value

[frosty wing]

30% lmao

For the shadowlands players, definitely feels like shit xD

[dull bridge]

disc priest more damage than mage holy shit

[steep walrus]

whats the main asa build everyone is using in solos atm?

[frosty wing]

The one above 👀

[uneven grove]

no

[frosty wing]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-obama-barack-obama-potus-usa-gif-4515303

[uneven grove]

because it's not what everyone using in shuffle

it's what Whaazz using rn in AWC

[frosty wing]

But but

It could be

[uneven grove]

internal bleeding, exsanguinate, 33% shadow step CDR, and some more talents are pretty optional

people can use what they want, only the core is set

[twin burrow]

idk if the core is set, dbt vs ap is a debate!

[icy canyon]

Im enjoying the shiv build. Seems good as well.

[fierce laurel]

Oh look. Mastery 241 belt and wrists again

Running on whaaz right now.

[dull bridge]

whaazz went arterial precision

[lucid citrus]

makes sense since they were going against a melee cleave comp

[dull bridge]

time to eat my words

[twin burrow]

sauce?

[long roost]

real talk, what am i meant to do vs 190k dmg glacial spikes ever 20 seconds n 130k mortal strikes every 6

[twin burrow]

do they have the armory thing on twitch wehere ican see the builds

[shrewd canyon]

i dont think it is. you always run dtb. the debate is if you use dtb + ap or just dtb/

[twin burrow]

whazz awc current? ^

[twin burrow]

thanks

[graceful ravine]

ya whazz

melee team on small map

[twin burrow]

i like sbs, but if that and some garrote dmg is all i loose..

[icy canyon]

Anyone know what the sparks gear vendor is down

[fierce laurel]

Merged into upgrade vendor

[waxen meteor]

Other than the shiv talent, isn’t more interesting part he took internal bleed no matter what?

[dull bridge]

hehe whazz lost therefore AP is shit hehehe

[wise breach]

Yeah, http://awc.gcd.tv/

[twin burrow]

ty

[wise breach]

Err

Fixed link

[twin burrow]

https://awc.gcd.tv/

there it is

[graceful ravine]

ap vs melee cleaves in small map confirmed

[dull bridge]

i don't know man, if you're running shrouded suffocation that's already %20 more damage on garrote. so you're only gaining anything against melee cleave if you're multidotting rupture but dk was basically untouched the whole game.

[waxen meteor]

Does AWC show how much dmg internal bleed do?

[dull bridge]

i think it's more like ap in a setup comp

[wicked rampart]

Yea seems like they were really just trying to focus damage into kidneys going IB + Prey with AP

[graceful ravine]

holy f

RAT MVP

[dull bridge]

love rat

[potent pivot]

Well if you know you’re going to be the focused target you gotta think about the constant spread of Hemo/Crippling etc

[dull bridge]

always making the plays

yeah AOE slow is good but hemo doesn't matter since you know they're never attacking the dk

[potent pivot]

I can definitely see it being good against melee cleaves but more so if you’re gonna be the trained target

Yeah ig

[graceful ravine]

why did he pop sblades without dancing

just to backstab

[potent pivot]

It’s just pressure

Lmao

Precious awc player plays