pvp

[alpine axle]

Generally no, its not good against anything really

[long roost]

.... is this a bug?

[raven cliff]

Yes.

[jolly sierra]

UHHHHHHHHHH

why u don't try it?

[long roost]

scared

[wicked rampart]

Blizz confirmed it's just a display bug

[jolly sierra]

im a dumbass

just discovered the infernal is lock burst

as destro

[graceful ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMESZy7zHCo&ab_channel=pshero

funniest thing ive watched all morning

[steel linden]

This is anime shit oh my god

[lyric onyx]

i know its his whole thing but i cant watch pshero.. too monotone

hes always on some whacky builds tho so i tune in every now and again

[steel linden]

I can't watch his content generally but every once in a while he really hits some clips

[gaunt trout]

What’s the new sin build now bois?

[hard compass]

that dk wanted zero smoke

[boreal basin]

way too poor for sophic devotion, any alternatives that are cheaper?

[hard compass]

sophic writ is the budget version

[boreal basin]

theres no better weapon than the conq weapon right?

[hard compass]

run conq mh and WM offhand for now

[fierce laurel]

For main hand correct

[boreal basin]

oh is there a better offhand?

i made the mistake to buy 2 conq daggers alr sadly

[hard compass]

not the end of the world

its not bad, it's just not the top prio. the conq cap is enough to buy most stuff anyway

[boreal basin]

at conq cap rn but still need pants, shoulders body neck and both trinkets, but its my first week playing

so ive only made the belt with the drakebreaker

next week ill make body, have the blue version from wq

[hard compass]

• your vault

you'll be gucci

[boreal basin]

does upgrading drakebreaker keep enchantments?

[alpine axle]

or yes

[tawny kestrel]

yes

[alpine axle]

It didnt use to

But now it should*

[boreal basin]

p a n i c

[tawny kestrel]

they changed it ye

[boreal basin]

i saw ur no hahaha

[graceful ravine]

what talents are you running in solo?

[tawny kestrel]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFQTSSCSSSJBAAAAAAQCASCAAAAAAANk4AtkIJJJKpkkgQSSSCA

just playing this

[graceful ravine]

can you take a screenshot? not in game rn to paste that

[graceful ravine]

ty

you dont like execute dmg?

[tawny kestrel]

idk i havent tried anything

[celest nexus]

this patch is honestly tilting

not with my rogue, rogue is doing fine

but I log into my warlock which I just want to hit 1.8k for the transmog and I had TWO lobbies in a row with triple warrior against me

[hard compass]

don't say that too loudy

[celest nexus]

and no matter what I do they just burst through my wall

[tawny kestrel]

rogue nerfs soon

assa and sub are both broken

so bound to happen

[celest nexus]

rogue I hit 2.2k after patch + 4 piece it's sweet. I just have no idea what's the best talent tree IMO I don't get enough value of blindside

[celest nexus]

sub? broken? 👀

warrior is a much bigger offender IMO but it's their favourite right?

[hard compass]

another patch where rogue is unplayable, i can't take it anymore

[tawny kestrel]

sub is definitely close to broken yes

its extremely good

[hard compass]

I'm memeing trying out a few builds seeing what works best

[gaunt trout]

Noob question, when is the best time to use Echoing Reprimand?

[graceful ravine]

havent played sub this week yet

too busy abusing assa 4pc

[hard compass]

thre's definitely a resurgence in sub rogues this week, I haven't tried it my self tho

[lyric onyx]

I keep going 3-3 as sub and gaining no cr :/

[celest nexus]

I'm ashamed to admit I suck as a sub rogue this patch

[tawny kestrel]

thats what happens if ur mmr is the same as ur cr!

[celest nexus]

I'm just not capable of 100-0 anyone

even if they are AFK most likely

[lyric onyx]

Yeah it’s levelled out

[hard compass]

sub looks good for duels/utility as before, butI actually havent seen a sub rogue come close to my assa damage yet

[celest nexus]

I don't know how I can't ever accomplish the burst everyone talks about

[graceful ravine]

sub is not a sustain spec

[tawny kestrel]

u dont play for pve damage rly

u have a little bit but u have good burst

[graceful ravine]

u burst within your kidney window and thats it

[hard compass]

yah its more setup

ctrl

[lyric onyx]

Raz when you say sub is broken what build we talking? Shadowdust or dark brew

[tawny kestrel]

u dont even rly need setups in solo shuffle

[tawny kestrel]

both

just 2 different playstyles kinda

[celest nexus]

Like I don't know how to coordinate shadow dance+ echoing reprimand + secret technique + dance macabre + symbols of death + shadow blades

It's too much going on in 5s for me to perform. I liked when dance was ambush into eviscerate and repeat. I'm too old to learn this new sub

[lyric onyx]

I need to get to 2400 just plateaud rn at 2100 it’s annoying me

[graceful ravine]

watch your vids and see what u did wrong

[lyric onyx]

Need a good game to boost mmr and I’ll be rolling again

[tawny kestrel]

the burst rotation is really easy with the talents i play

[hard compass]

do you have any of your cds macro?

[tawny kestrel]

shouldnt take long to get used to it

[hard compass]

sub is overwhelming at first but consolidating your keys helps

[steel linden]

Dayv can I ask a really dumb question..... How do you go about really abusing it? I feel like it's all about maintaining uptime but I feel so terrified of burst that it's hard. Should I just be trading defensives and sitting and doing damage more?

[graceful ravine]

not really abusing.. figure of speech

[steel linden]

I feel like maybe I'm getting too worried about TAKING damage and I'm not as focused on killing in solo shuffle

[graceful ravine]

you kinda just forget its there and you do dmg

[steel linden]

Cause I don't wanna be the guy dying

[celest nexus]

@hard compass i tried but can you really macro them?

I have cold blood + ST macroed
then shadow dance + trinket

And that's it. Is there any other I should be using?

[tawny kestrel]

just need to learn to identify when people have damage and when they dont

[celest nexus]

plz share talents + rotation? 😄 I'd love to try

[tawny kestrel]

some classes are rough tho

[graceful ravine]

get addons to tell you when enemy pop cds

[brazen cloak]

@tawny kestrel what do you run as sub, anyway?

[lyric onyx]

Give us the sauce raz

[steel linden]

Yeah there's just certain common classes like warlock, warrior, and Ele Sham where I feel like the damage is just there ALL the time

[celest nexus]

Like I became incredibly good at sub PvE and the DM rotation from dance was really ingrained in my brain

But also in PvE you don't run ER and have 7 CPs and WAY more energy regen

[tawny kestrel]

typically kidney for cc so will just do cheap shot rotation

dance > symbols > cheap > evis > echoing reprimand > cheap > cold blood > secret tech

[lyric onyx]

Is rupture you #1 dmg in games or nah

[tawny kestrel]

ye will be if u have it up a lot

depends on game length tho obv wont be top if its over in a minute

[celest nexus]

what's the preparation for burst? just full energy?

Where would you put shadow blades? together w/ dance?

[tawny kestrel]

no prep rly

[lyric onyx]

I mean with replicating and brew you better be keeping that shit up 😉

[tawny kestrel]

blades is whatever u can use it w burst if u want

[lyric onyx]

What mmr you at

[tawny kestrel]

only ER benefits from it in ur burst so its whatever

[graceful ravine]

mr raz is like 3k

[tawny kestrel]

sub around 3.2 mmr

[lyric onyx]

Ahh oh ye I remember now

The god

Honestly I might just pull a dayv this week and abuse sin 4 set while I can

Still need to finish legend as well

Sub can come later

[graceful ravine]

make sure you pay attention to the race of your kill target...

[lyric onyx]

Don’t worry I do.. if there’s a gnome they always die first

That’s what you meant right 🙂

[tawny kestrel]

dark iron / normal dwarf prob

[lyric onyx]

Ikik I joking

Just fucking hate gnomes

[quaint cape]

question, has our sin build changed any since acquiring 4 piece tier, or does it remain status que?

[lyric onyx]

Old build is still good… lots of people going down for zoldyck and arterial now tho

[quaint cape]

yeah, I thought that looked good with the increased poison damage, anyone have a build link?

wouldn't mind trying it

[hard compass]

I just tried to change my talent preset in the prematch lobby, and it reset my full trees

lost 4 rounds because I had no talents

[hard compass]

you can also macro blades in with symbols i think it is but you dont always wanna use it so have it as a mod i guess

[quaint cape]

thanks for linking brother, will give this a shot

[wise breach]

Should drop the -30% to slows for the 3% physical damage reduction imo

[lyric onyx]

You using this for SS or 2v2/3v3 btw?

[quaint cape]

shuffle

[wise breach]

Err, that build can't do that, nvm

[fierce laurel]

You can give up gouge I think for it.

[lyric onyx]

Yeah you’d have to lose gouge

I like gouge

Or lose pray on the weak

[graceful ravine]

if you run up to a healer to gouge him, is there a chance your auto attack procs poisons and breaks the gouge?

[lyric onyx]

Ok nice yeah that build pumps.. just get stealth garrottes and ruptures on all 3 targets and shiv and watch them all burn

[graceful ravine]

assuming you have him targetted

[lyric onyx]

Gouge stops auto attacks

[graceful ravine]

but what if you smack him once before gouge lands

and deadly procs?

[lyric onyx]

Yeah could happen

I focus gouge most of the time

[graceful ravine]

i tab gouge like a gangster

[lyric onyx]

The OG

Macros are for losers anyway

[fierce laurel]

I click.

You can’t tab totems so you might as well just get good at clicking

[warped anchor]

i type /cast gouge

[graceful ravine]

i stopped using focus macros after adapting to arena 123 macros

i cant wrap my head around doing both

[lyric onyx]

I should learn 123 macros tbh

Just a lot to take in

[warped anchor]

i use focuys on rogue because it has too much cc to arena 123 it all

[fierce laurel]

When you blind a Druid the millisecond he leaves stealth because you’re hammering blind arena2 you feel like such a gangster.

[graceful ravine]

get the razer naga mouse

+300 rating instantly

[lyric onyx]

I have

[warped anchor]

its really uncomfortable for me

tried it

way too big

[lyric onyx]

If I get a 2nd do I get another +300

[graceful ravine]

it was uncomfortable for me initially, you just have to practice it one button at a time

it felt awkward to press

[warped anchor]

i hold the mouse with my fingertips

[lyric onyx]

Okay this is something I’ve always wanted to know

[warped anchor]

so it was very heavy

[lyric onyx]

What do you have bound to the side buttons?

[warped anchor]

target myself

[fierce laurel]

Target myself is always been middle click for me.

Since vanilla.

[warped anchor]

on dps i just use them for dps abilities

healers to target myself

[graceful ravine]

blind 123
kick 123
stepkick123
dmg cds on the last row

[lyric onyx]

I’ve had mine for 10+ years now I think

Got it before I really pvp’d

Has always been my full damage on side buttons

So like 2 is Mutilate, 3 is garrotte, 4 envenom and so on

[warped anchor]

i like to keep my mouse free for targetting and movement

[lyric onyx]

It’s way to ingrained now to ever switch but utility on the side is probably better

[celest nexus]

is it really worth it to drop SS for that though?

[tacit crane]

You're using SS with that build though

Oh, you meant shrouded

Instead of shadowstep

[celest nexus]

yeah shrouded suffocation sry

[lyric onyx]

It’s a sacrifice that has to be made

[warped anchor]

nah

shrouded is def not worth dropping

[tacit crane]

Shiv doesn't really apply bleed, does it?

You still need to dot up all 3 targets

[neon slate]

can you get multiple catalyst charges each week by doing the quest on multiple alts?

[tacit crane]

For the shiv build to be worth it

[tacit crane]

Nope

[warped anchor]

aoe shiv is good in bgs

[celest nexus]

Might be too much multidoting to get value out of AP in solo shuffles tbh

[lyric onyx]

You can drop arterial for shrouded

[tacit crane]

Only one per week

[warped anchor]

that's about it

[steel linden]

Dude I'm in the same spot.... I have stuff like cheapshot, Shadowstep, sap, etc on buttons and I'll need to relearn so many keybinds

[neon slate]

@tacit crane ahh so 1 per week per character basically. No insta 4 set for me....

[celest nexus]

is zoldyck always worth it, tho?

[steel linden]

But I know arena 123 would improve uptime

[tacit crane]

You do miss out on poison damage and application %, but the tier set covers that

[lyric onyx]

Zoldyck is good… if you’re dropping arterial for shrouded you could go 2/3 zoldyck and get spike too

[tacit crane]

Yeah, that seems more useful

Using AP means spending globals dotting off target/healer, at that point its just basically a cleave ability

[tawny kestrel]

the only loss from taking arterial over shrouded is combo points or

not rly that bad

[celest nexus]

but u need doomblade for spike

[lyric onyx]

I dunno I’ve been running this build and getting consistent 4-2, 5-1 and some 6-0 wins at 2600-2700mmr

So imma stick with arterial

[tacit crane]

And spike

[celest nexus]

@lyric onyx but is multidotting your main strat?

[tawny kestrel]

ye okay

[warped anchor]

shrouded is 20% garrotte damage no?

[tawny kestrel]

sure but so is arterial

[warped anchor]

but not 100% uptime

[tawny kestrel]

i suppose

[tacit crane]

but that's assuming you're dotting everyone

[warped anchor]

i guess if you're constantly getting 2 man shivs

it could be really good

[lyric onyx]

I basically mutlidot the dps, and kidney kill target and shiv whenever it’s full kidney

Lots of pressure

[tacit crane]

So you don't dot off target and healer?

[lyric onyx]

Sometimes I multidot all 3 and it’s insane dmg but fucks up cc

[celest nexus]

I can't get 1.8k in my lock but 2.2+k in rogue feels super easy

Wonder if it's really just my skill or if melee/rogue is that strong

[tacit crane]

I guess you could get multiple 7cp ruptures with ER

[lyric onyx]

Once dampening ramps up I just start sorting everything tbh

[idle field]

dont you miss shroud though

[lyric onyx]

Yep at start of every round I use echoing to get those 7cp ruptures rolling

[tacit crane]

I'll give that build a try next week when I get 4 set

[brazen cloak]

assuming I have neither would it be worth it to get pvp tier head piece or get the crafted head

[steel linden]

So besides that, you generally just sit that kill target and CC where necessary? My other problem is most likely too much target swapping to maintain bleeds.

[lyric onyx]

I do miss shroud, but like i said you just can’t fit it .. only thing I really miss is it giving 3 cp .. dmg is made up for by 20% bonus from arterial

[lyric onyx]

Yeah just sit kill target tbh .. if you can get dots up on off targets but don’t sacrifice your position too much

[idle field]

kinda sounds like a zug zug build, perfect for ss

[lyric onyx]

Sort of just use step to garrotte and quickly get a rupture then back to kill target

[steel linden]

It sounds quite simple but that is really helpful. I think I've been focusing a little too much on spread rot DPS and NOT on just training down the kill target

[lyric onyx]

Bingo .. it’s pretty brain dead but just does a lot of dmg and that’s what shuffles about

[steel linden]

Kinda thinking of the multidotting as pre setup for a swap if needed

[tacit crane]

Is it worth it against a double caster though?

Since most likely casters won't sit together

[idle field]

now lets talk about the real stuff, how we we live vs DK war

or better yet, DH war

[steel linden]

Friend I've had no luck on that one at all

You just die

[graceful ravine]

evasion first spear, hope the game ends before he gets it back

[lyric onyx]

If it’s a smaller map I keep arterial.. if not just drop it for shrouded

[idle field]

ok, so im doin it right. pop cooldowns and win or die

[lyric onyx]

If you can step away from the spear and save evasion that’s best case I think

But they usually storm bolt so you’re pretty much always committing trinket

[graceful ravine]

dont think u can step spear

u get dragged back

[lyric onyx]

I mean step before it hits

[idle field]

feels like evasion and trinket are always gone off the jump, then die in a random stun 30 seconds later

[lyric onyx]

Like I’ve done it a few times since warrs pretty much always use their shit in the same order so I know when they’re about to spear

[dire sun]

when you burst as assa do you apply all dots first and then deathmark? the tooltip is a bit confusing compared to the old vendeta

[lyric onyx]

Step away and they hit air

[steel linden]

Why would you need to trink versus warrior if you're gonna evasion? I feel like I don't get one shot that hard

[idle field]

evasion, dh stuns me

do i sit it and let evasion get wasted?

[steel linden]

Every situation is gonna be different, but (AT VERY LOW MMR) if it goes storm bolt -> spear I'd evasion out of stun, if I get stunned again its DR

[warped anchor]

you can easily die in stormbolt if he pops every cd

[idle field]

yes

[steel linden]

I try and have feint up for it as well, but that timing can be hard for me to hit

If warrior looks at me wrong I consider pressing feint

[lyric onyx]

Are you guys facing a lot of warrs recently then? I feel like I’ve seen one this week

Had a lot of 3 caster lobbies which was always really rare before

[steel linden]

1500-1700 MMR I've had two per game nearly lol

[warped anchor]

yeah

lots of warriors now

[lyric onyx]

Ahh they’re all climbing

[steel linden]

Lots of fury and arms stacked, arms always top damage.

[lyric onyx]

I had a lot last week but guess they’ve all climbed a lot and now I’m in a warr dead zone

Inb4 I queue tomorrow and have warrs every game

[steel linden]

What MMR Moore, you're like 2.2k ya said right?

[lyric onyx]

I think mmr is 2.7 not sure … 2.6 cr

[steel linden]

Apologies lmao

[lyric onyx]

My sub is 2.2 :p

[steel linden]

I'm surprised more warriors aren't higher but I'm sure there's lots of FOTM rerolls currently in the first games range

[potent pivot]

it's dynamic so it affects existing dots and dots you apply afterwards, though you want to have dots rolling when you press it so you don't waste any seconds of your DM

[lyric onyx]

Maybe I just been lucky to avoid them idk

DHs are still the class I see the most

[steel linden]

They're my hardest matchup currently, DK and DH tied for second

[lyric onyx]

I don’t like playing vs survival

Feel like I always lose against em

[potent pivot]

crafted

[lyric onyx]

Nah save the spark

Tier helm is endgame

[potent pivot]

nah it isn't

[lyric onyx]

You’re gonna skip vers mastery tier helm?

[potent pivot]

stats aren't as important as you may seem to think, when it comes to decisions like that

so yes

[lyric onyx]

I dunno man you only get 2 embellished slots

Boots and lariat

[potent pivot]

boots and helm

[lyric onyx]

Fair enough

[potent pivot]

lariat is kinda dog in pvp

if you already have it, or want it for pve, then it's whatever

[brazen cloak]

What tier pieces should I go for then

[potent pivot]

it's not going to make a huge difference either way

[vocal surge]

Anyone know how to survive as Outlaw?

[lyric onyx]

Just feel like if helm and boots were best surely everyone in AWC would run that right

But it’s all boots and lariat

[hard compass]

like 42% uptime with mast or vers with lariat atm

[potent pivot]

everyone says "omg but vers" or mastery, whatever. we already have plenty of those stats

[vocal surge]

Legit feels like S1 of Shadowlands all over again with Outlaw survivability

[potent pivot]

are any of us competing in the AWC?

[lyric onyx]

No but, but I trust the awc players more than any of us here

They know the classes better

[potent pivot]

most of us typically want to juice as much dmg as we can, we aren't running games against AWC players for $ prizes

the awc competitors are running helms on live

my friend

a couple are running lariat, like whaazz

most are running the boots/helm or boots/ring

[graceful ravine]

they run larit cos they can use the vers/mas pve ring

which most of us cant do

[potent pivot]

i've looked into this plenty enough

[fierce laurel]

Why does the ring change what two embellished they chose?

[lyric onyx]

What ones

[potent pivot]

nahj, palumor, etcetc

[lyric onyx]

Nahj, Whaaz, pika all lariat

Palumor is boots and ring

[fierce laurel]

And can’t we make a 418 ring?

[potent pivot]

nahj has lariat on one 1 rogue

not his other

[potent pivot]

ye

the ring honestly could be a good choice for sub

but for outlaw/sin it's helm

[fierce laurel]

I still need 2 more concentrated- but I intend to.

It doesn’t count as an embellish.

Unless you embellish it

[proper heath]

Run whatever makes sense to you.

[potent pivot]

^

[proper heath]

if u wanna run lariat run lariat

no one cares or is stopping anyone from doing anything .

[potent pivot]

yep

i'm just going to recommend what i know to be best

what anyone does with it, is up to them. 100%

[fierce laurel]

There’s a different between what is best and what is best for what someone who doesn’t mythic raid can reasonably obtain.

[potent pivot]

mhm

i'd never recommend someone go chase PvE items for PvP

the large majority of PvPers wouldn't want to do it anyway

[lyric onyx]

I wouldn’t use lariat unless I could get the 418 one

[proper heath]

You can do your own math my dude.

It's not hard math.

Quik Maffs

[fierce laurel]

It doesn’t matter how much math you do if you can’t get a bloodied wedding ring anyway.

[potent pivot]

the other thing that is good about boots/helm is they are designed specifically for PvP

they automatically are 424 in pvp

it'd be kinda dumb to recommend anything else to the majority of players

[proper heath]

the wedding ring literally doesn't matter man. You can get a crafted one that is just as good.

[lyric onyx]

Yeah no denying that’s good

[potent pivot]

if you want to min max and think something could be better, and YOU can obtain it; i'm all for it. i'd even love to see some logs of the results.

[lyric onyx]

And ye if we’re talking majority of players most people won’t get 418 crafted from PvP

[potent pivot]

if something is tested and proven to be better, i'd make a note to mention it

[lyric onyx]

Don’t think there’s anyway to prove either is better

[proper heath]

Even if ur winning at 2400+ those concentrated wont drop. It's terrible. 😦

[potent pivot]

damage wise there is

[proper heath]

I've opened like 10 boxes and gotten 3

[potent pivot]

if you run WCL to log yourself

on a dummy ofc

[lyric onyx]

Don’t trust logs for pvp personally

[proper heath]

Imagine your time being spent on figuring out if ur doing 100 more dps. and not on improving gameplay in arena 😄

[lyric onyx]

Plus the dummy wouldn’t attack you back to proc the helm

[jolly sierra]

the honor ring is better than wedding tho

[potent pivot]

logs on a pvp dummy? why would you not trust that

[jolly sierra]

less effort and still useful

unless u are a main m+ player

[potent pivot]

that's true i didn't think of that, but you can just add 1% damage

or even a bit less to show for downtime

[potent pivot]

what

[sharp sierra]

im sorry what?

i just relogged

[hard compass]

keeps happening to me in arena lobbies

[potent pivot]

it's because of your cursed build

[lyric onyx]

Ngl tho at first I didn’t realise you were talking majority of players here .. my opinion is tho if every AWC rogue is running lariat and boots on tourney, surely they’re not all doing that for no reason

Again, just my opinion

[jolly sierra]

the wedding ring is a mythic+ item, right?

[sharp sierra]

zug zug

[fierce laurel]

It’s a raid item. So there’s 4 versions of it.

[tawny kestrel]

its an m+ item

[fierce laurel]

Oh.

[potent pivot]

yeah but like Dayv said they have a PvE item because it's TR

[tawny kestrel]

only 2 rings from the raid

[fierce laurel]

I thought it comes from second last boss.

[tawny kestrel]

nah thats mega mastery low haste

[jolly sierra]

are u sure?

[tawny kestrel]

it is 431 tho

[proper heath]

Remember that how they gear is under THEIR team comp with THEIR players.
You know that some mages in awc run 0 verse. Because they know they can't be targetted or wont be.
Are you going to suggest every mage now also run 0 verse.

[fierce laurel]

Oh right.

[proper heath]

And Tonyferal, the best feral in the world. Runs with no CC boots. Are we going to suggest ferals should not use cc boots. It all depends.

It's not one size fits all.

[potent pivot]

yep, i honestly think if you're just following what AWC players do in the AWC and not thinking for yourself it's kinda bad. you have to realize the differences

but so many people blindly follow the pack

[jolly sierra]

like streamer followers

are like a herd

[potent pivot]

yeah

[dusk spindle]

true i stopped basing off that when i started getting zug zuged by healers

[lyric onyx]

I’ve only been thinking about myself here

[fierce laurel]

Is the weekly vault loot table limited to the dungeons you do that week? Or can it be any?

[lyric onyx]

I like mastery, so I’d rather run lariat and boots and get more mastery on gloves/leg instead of the tier options

[potent pivot]

i'm not saying you shouldn't do it, i just find it odd. it happens a lot on the PvE side of the game as well

[proper heath]

And then they see Pikas meme No Echoing build, they try it. Get recked and have zero success, and they come in here complaining how assa is shit and they dont know what to do.

It's like bro.

Think for urself

[jolly sierra]

pikaboo is going taure

n

should we go tauren as well too?

[fierce laurel]

Yes

[proper heath]

Id go tauren tho

[jolly sierra]

i refuse

[proper heath]

thats bis

[sharp sierra]

so can anyone give me the hypothetical best arena sin talents?

[potent pivot]

but if you actually test how much your finishers are doing with that mastery compared to a different set up, i think you'd be surprised at your findings

[proper heath]

Fat cow rogue. Thats bis

[sharp sierra]

[potent pivot]

pins

[jolly sierra]

under that logic

most of us are doing stuff wrong then

no tauren, no streamer footsteps

[proper heath]

Btw no jokes. Nerfs are coming.

We are 100% getting nerfed again.

[jolly sierra]

pls kill warriors

[hard compass]

we're be hotfixed on tuesday

[jolly sierra]

fuck warriors

[lyric onyx]

Imma stick to doing me either way… my mastery stacking is working so fuck it

[hard compass]

50% nerf to 4pc

[proper heath]

is it?

[hard compass]

we'll be*

prediction

[lyric onyx]

It is

[proper heath]

Soemthing like that prob

All I know is. Whatever they do. We are 100% getting nerfed

[potent pivot]

[proper heath]

New build is the same OP build but with Ambush damage and combo point generation.

How did we get buffed ... facepalm

[lyric onyx]

Ambush damage?

[proper heath]

Yeah with procs

from blindside

It's so op. my eyes

[lyric onyx]

Oh I skipped that

Don’t like

[proper heath]

Do you not like

more damage?

[lyric onyx]

Feels clunky to me

[potent pivot]

tbh i think almost any build is working right now because we're overtuned

[proper heath]

Pressing ambush for 20k Same as envenom. For FREE? Is too clunky?

?!

[potent pivot]

if we get nerfs to our tier set i believe zoldycks will quickly fall out of favor

[lyric onyx]

It’s more coz of my bindings

[potent pivot]

atm it seems to be a decent build

[sharp sierra]

almost there#

[lyric onyx]

You got this

[potent pivot]

big poggers in the lair

[proper heath]

@potent pivot Do u main assa btw?

[jolly sierra]

won 6 today in shuffle and i was using both AP and DTB

[potent pivot]

yeah

[proper heath]

Are yo urunning blindside Venom rush atm?

[potent pivot]

you could probably take every worst talent rn and get 2k

[jolly sierra]

im going slower cuz traumas

[potent pivot]

i've been running the build in the pins, aside from testing out other stuff

[sharp sierra]

i really like zoldyck in solo shuffle

[jolly sierra]

fuck demos

[hard compass]

ngl im memeing with indiscriminate and still 2k+

[sharp sierra]

healers panic so hard and they cant outheal it

[potent pivot]

once they start to realize they can't let people drop below 35% it'll be a bit harder

[sharp sierra]

well kinda yeah

[lucid lark]

Hey Guys. I'm dusting off my rogue after like a decade of not playing. Lot's has changed. Never thought I see Thistle Tea again. Maybe we'll get Renataki's next.

Besides skillcapped, any good crash course type content I can consume while I level?

[lyric onyx]

After 1-2 when dampening really sets in in shuffle it’s just so much value

[jolly sierra]

ppl rn is going like this

[graceful ravine]

thats not updated is it

[lyric onyx]

That’s the “old” build probs a lot of people that haven’t switched around

[sharp sierra]

amp poison got forgotten really quick

[potent pivot]

there's some general guides on wowhead/iceyveins, and youtube. just have to be careful about builds and gear suggestions as they go out of date quickly. you can get good tips on how to play the game from them though.

[sharp sierra]

you can also watch streamers

[jolly sierra]

it is, look at the end talent from left

[lyric onyx]

I feel like half the time the wowhead/icyveins builds are just weird

[potent pivot]

they have

[lyric onyx]

Never see anyone running em at high rating

[waxen meteor]

Team up with warrior

[potent pivot]

it was showing more people with it before

[lucid lark]

Yeah, true. Can I still do the sap/cheap shot spin for free combo points or is stuff like that long gone?

[potent pivot]

wowhead is up to date

[boreal basin]

i just did a solo shuffle with an unholy dk, ret pally and arms warr

and i have no clue how to win it

[lyric onyx]

Ik it’s up to date , I’ve seen it

[potent pivot]

technically, but no one really does that anymore

[lyric onyx]

Like I said I just think it’s a weird build personallly

[potent pivot]

things have changed a lot

[polar burrow]

Saw here to train heals vs double melee and gained 200 rating immediately

[jolly sierra]

is up to date, just watched pally one after nerfs

[potent pivot]

it's a proven successful build

[jolly sierra]

and they switched to wake of ashes

[potent pivot]

it's not weird at all

[lyric onyx]

Personally*****

[lucid lark]

Damn. Alright cool, I'll get to work then

[potent pivot]

that build has been successful since week 1

[lyric onyx]

That’s why I keep adding personally in

[potent pivot]

for sure

i'm not faulting you for your opinion

[lyric onyx]

I’m not dissing it I just personally wouldn’t run it

I feel like zoldycks is just too good to skip with 4 piece being the way it is rn

[sharp sierra]

i thought sepsis would be great

the despair

[proper heath]

Sepsis is good

at 1200 rating

[lyric onyx]

xD

[boreal basin]

anyone any tips in this matchup

[proper heath]

it was triple dps on the other team? My god. 😄

[potent pivot]

so you're saying you'd change venom rush for TTB? or Lightweight Shiv for TTB? because you also circled Lightweight Shiv

[proper heath]

Rofl venom rush.

It's almost the same icon fuck

[potent pivot]

[proper heath]

The yare both green blades

[lyric onyx]

Venom rush is skippable imo it just adds a bit of smoothness to your energy

[unborn portal]

What should I bind trinket to

1 m cd for dan

[potent pivot]

i think VR provides for savings during actual "goes" in particular, but whatever you think works yo

[boreal basin]

nono 2 healers ofc

lmao

[potent pivot]

you're already saving some energy when you proc ambush

[boreal basin]

but the other dps'es were unholy ret and arms

[potent pivot]

so it's probably fine tbh

[boreal basin]

and i did dcent dmg but hard to finish rounds

[lyric onyx]

Actually huge point tbh .. venom rush is even more skippable with blindside

[proper heath]

I like the swap, Shivs feel good. And the energy gained is roughly the same. I'll play more with it. It's feeling good atm. Viable swap for sure .

[potent pivot]

i definitely wouldn't call it more skippable, it's still very similar value. but if you're switching it for something that's also saving you some energy like TTB then it's probably not the biggest deal either :P

[proper heath]

There I corrected it.

[lyric onyx]

What mmr you running that build at sonnics anyways ? You consistently winning?

[proper heath]

2800cr. 2800-2900 mmr. ish

Rating changes depending on my hole getting opened up by a warrior

🙂

[sharp sierra]

tiny toxic blade is a cool talent but i feel like without zoldyck its useless

[potent pivot]

[neon slate]

i only take 4k mmr players opinions

[potent pivot]

zoldyck doesn't affect TTB tho?

[lyric onyx]

Might have to try it .. would have to figure out a good bind for blindside tho

[sharp sierra]

wait the shiv bonus is the last talent

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

jesus

[potent pivot]

no, TTB is before Zold

[proper heath]

Dude. Ur literally proccing a nuke . for free. ? Remove feint off your bars if you have to .

[boreal basin]

https://tenor.com/1nJu.gif

still at low rating tho

but ye i dont know how i beat double cleave with a cleave in my team

i tried sticking healer

i tried sticking weakest defensive cleave

[sharp sierra]

did you get trained the entire game?

[boreal basin]

i tried full utility

[potent pivot]

okokok let's not go that far c'mon

[boreal basin]

my booty got w i d e n e d

i was doing okay dmg

[sharp sierra]

[boreal basin]

we just couldnt rlly kill without getting slammed ourselves

[sharp sierra]

i want an answer what to do when trained as well

[neon slate]

i got gapped on this day by a monk surv hunter warrior lobby i kept dying sadge

[lyric onyx]

I know I know .. my bindings are just weird

[proper heath]

LOL okok. Overaggeration. But people need to find 1 button. F7. Whatever

[proper heath]

Dude F7.

Make it hppane

[hidden sierra]

hey, so uh, I'm a complete rogue newb, I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about whatsoever. With that said, do assa/sub rogues use two onehands, or one onehand and one offhand? and does it make a difference?

[potent pivot]

two daggers

it does make a difference

[hidden sierra]

yeah I meant daggers, but is one of them offhand?

[potent pivot]

sin cannot function without two daggers

[sharp sierra]

off hand specific daggers are a thing of the past, they used to be 1.40 speed

good ol days

[mighty crypt]

ok new here need to know... is arterial poison + DTB viable?

[proper heath]

you like it fast? Baby?

[hidden sierra]

oh I see, so daggers don't have onehand/offhand variants?

[potent pivot]

sub can cast all it's spells with a sword/axe/mace off hand, but it's not optimal this season

[potent pivot]

viable, yes. optimal? not fully

[proper heath]

"Cast it's spells" you're ruining the rogue fantasy .

[lyric onyx]

I’m also hesitant coz atm I’m pushing to that sort of 2.8 mark, I’m comfy with my build, but wanna try stuff out as well .. don’t wanna grief a lobby .. but I suppose blindside isn’t too much of a gameplay switch up it’s just pressing ambush instead of mutilate every now and again

[hidden sierra]

basically I just wanna know whether I can transmog offhands as assa/sub

cuz I have a nice mog but I think it only works for outlaws, which is cringe

[potent pivot]

#transmog

[sharp sierra]

[proper heath]

You can do without it. But man I like it hey. It feels good. Free ambush, free combo points. It gets me hard. Give it a try in 2s or something.

[hidden sierra]

it'S not about transmog, it'S about basic spec functionality

[sharp sierra]

only daggers can be transmogged into daggers which is giga weird

[mighty crypt]

what do you all think is the best build rn for pvp assa?

[sharp sierra]

while swords can be transmogged into anything

[hidden sierra]

I see, so offhand mog is for outlaw only I guess?

[lyric onyx]

I’ll probs test it out in bgs/skirms first either way

[potent pivot]

it's in the pins

[hidden sierra]

well that's a bummer, thanks anyway

[hard compass]

would you include blindside in this?

[potent pivot]

you can mog both hands separately

on all specs

[sharp sierra]

not daggers though

[hidden sierra]

yeah but offhand wasn't an option for daggers

[potent pivot]

yes

[mighty crypt]

We are running blindside??

thats insane

[potent pivot]

oh you mean "Off Hand" like caster wep?

[sharp sierra]

free energy ability

[lyric onyx]

Apparently it’s very viable

[proper heath]

Ambush crits for like 30k. it be good eating

[hidden sierra]

well I'm glad to see other classes have their own bullshit too, coming from hunter discord knowing I can't killshot without a polearm as survival

[hard compass]

the guy wanted to know if it was viable to run an nondagger OH so he could mog a non-dagger

[mighty crypt]

i see

[potent pivot]

ah for a second i thought he just meant 2 different daggers

[proper heath]

our dagger mogs are banger dude 😮

[potent pivot]

but this is why i linked #transmog as people there would know better than i

[hidden sierra]

I have a smelly hobo mog that I wanna stick to, but that's a different channel debate

[hard compass]

im a dirty double dagger main, i felt people had lost track of the conversations

vengeful glad daggers or die

[hidden sierra]

nah, this too op

[sharp sierra]

actually pretty good

[hidden sierra]

guess I'm playing outlaw then sadge

[lyric onyx]

Guys pls #transmog

[potent pivot]

it's all good

[hidden sierra]

yah, im out anyway, won't bother the waters here anymore, gotta get back to my hunter shell, peace out

[sharp sierra]

kingsbane on life support

it sucks both in pvp and in pve

and it was a legion artifact ability man

[mighty crypt]

IMAGINE USING KINGSBANE RN

[lyric onyx]

Wait you forgot to bring your double tap.. oh wait

[mighty crypt]

that was toxic i hope kingsbane comes back for you dog <3

[sharp sierra]

nah i just love the concept since legion

[proper heath]

So who saw Cdews team getting gatekept by 2 Assa rogue teams. Chunli and Pike.

Big oof 😦

[sharp sierra]

as it should be

[lyric onyx]

I love seeing all these rogues in awc

But god damn they’re putting the spotlight on us for nerfs

[sharp sierra]

how much more can this class get nerfed

you're either good or you suck and the majority of rogues suck

[proper heath]

Bro blizzard is gonna hit us with a -20

[mighty crypt]

Actually

[proper heath]

Spotlight is bad, On Survivor. thats how you get voted off the island.

[mighty crypt]

We need to pretend like we are middle of the pack so we avoid the shot

[hidden sierra]

yeah, spellbar feels pretty empty after playing around 15000 arenas with it

[lyric onyx]

Got it .. operation 3-3 in every shuffle game begins

[proper heath]

Assa rogues are so shit.

we need buffs

[mighty crypt]

???

so true?

[sharp sierra]

what pvp talents to get in 3 casters?

[mighty crypt]

blizz where are the buffs?

[lyric onyx]

Maybe if we all make forum posts complaining the community outrage will lead to buffs

4 set does feel a lil weak am I right

[mighty crypt]

Way to true big upvotes

[hidden sierra]

I mean, yall are the only class blizz devs have braincells to play in pvp, that's why you've been dodging the bullets for 10+ years

[proper heath]

We just show clips of us getting one shot by warriors and rets.

We blink "Deleted" . Oh I didn't cloak at full hp. My bad.

[hard compass]

I just glazey eyed a game of SS and woke up for round 6 with a 4-1 score

we might be busted

[lyric onyx]

Followed by rage whispers from your healer

[hidden sierra]

pretty sure the dev that vouched for DT removal was hardstuck 1.4 outlaw in s4 sl that didn't have evasion nor vanish nor dismantle bound

[proper heath]

"Press something idiot"! I'm like ... yo... I was full hp

[lyric onyx]

It’s always the 2.1k healers

The 2.6k+ ones are chill af

[hard compass]

malding that they're playing with 1.8k

[hidden sierra]

well cuz it's ss, ss = -600 cr compared to old brackets now

I checked the numbers today, it was like 4800 players at 2.4+ in solo shuffle

27 2.4+ in 2s

180 2.4+ in 3s

[lyric onyx]

Yeah it’s nuts

[worthy crag]

still not as inflated as unchained

[tawny kestrel]

mmr is capped in solo shuffle sadly

so wont inflate that much

[lyric onyx]

Lmaoo the unchained glad thing is my fav meme

[hidden sierra]

yeah that's the funniest part, I remember ending bfa s4 with 10k elite rating, and yet s2 sl was like 3 times less rare percent-wise

[lyric onyx]

What’s the cap?

[tawny kestrel]

3,3

[lyric onyx]

Aight bet I’ll break that tomorrow

[worthy crag]

p sure bfa s4 glads outnumber all 7 season of legion glads combined

Thats what i heard

[hidden sierra]

oki no I'm bullshitting, but still, even bfa s4 was less inflated, which is an absolute meme

[worthy crag]

yeah unchained was something else

[hidden sierra]

compared to this

[lyric onyx]

Why even was s2 SL so inflated? I didn’t play most of SL

[worthy crag]

I have no idea tbh, game felt pretty sucky

[hidden sierra]

the season was long as shlong, that's why

[lyric onyx]

Ahh right makes sense

It’s pretty funny tho

Most unchained glads think they’re gods gift to earth

[potent pivot]

ong

[lyric onyx]

If they fuck up, it was everyone else fault for not reading their mind

[potent pivot]

[hidden sierra]

most unchained glads are also hardstuck duelists

[hard compass]

wish i played more rated in SL, i wanted a soul eater

[hidden sierra]

btw this is funny

[worthy crag]

Its cuz if you had to pick one season in which people got their one time glad and no other season, its very high chance that its unchained

either that or bfa s4

[hidden sierra]

ss inflated as shit, and yet the percentage is similar to s4 sl

[hidden sierra]

ye cuz the seasons had like 32 and 38 weeks respectively

[lyric onyx]

I saw a s2 glad today that had max rival 2 in every other season

[hidden sierra]

ye, that's the usual

[worthy crag]

That and final seasons usually tend to be active. SL was an exception

[neon slate]

sooo im noob at rogue but tbh the very simple advice of getting sap into blind on a healer in solo shuffle to force trinket then winning on next blind is going a long way

[worthy crag]

it was already just df waiting room

[lyric onyx]

It’s actually a cheat code for early trinket

Even at high rating healers just love trinketing that first blind for no reason

[hidden sierra]

I mean, s2 was just an endless fiesta, everybody and their grandma has the mount

[elfin sequoia]

dumb question , is it viable to go left side instead of right ?

[proper heath]

sounds mexican

[elfin sequoia]

on the tree

?

for arterial

[hidden sierra]

the arenas are symmetrical, you can go left or right

[elfin sequoia]

like this

[hidden sierra]

probably don't go left in blade's edge tho

that's kinda trolling

[sharp sierra]

OH MY GOD YES

TIME TO RETIRE

[hard compass]

gratz bro

[lyric onyx]

Let’s gooooo

[hard compass]

this is mine atm akhor

[elfin sequoia]

oh , lemme check that quick

[hard compass]

but im relatively new

[elfin sequoia]

@hidden sierra how would u do it chief?

[lyric onyx]

Yeah vaelins is better

I basically have the same but venom rush instead of doomblade

[sharp sierra]

do you have 4 set?

[potent pivot]

viable, yes. optimal? that's still kinda up for debate

[hard compass]

i do, no hands. crafted boots, testing lariat

[lyric onyx]

Ngl I like that no one knows what’s the best build

[hard compass]

there are peope here far more qualified than me, this is just my playtest build rn

[proper heath]

I like no hands too

[lyric onyx]

Everyone’s running different shit and having success

Feels good

[potent pivot]

it usually takes a couple weeks to figure out

[lyric onyx]

This is how I wanted new talent trees to be

[potent pivot]

yeah it's great

[sharp sierra]

weird appreciation comment about this discord and everyone in here:
thank you to all who shared my frustrations over zug zug hating and the wonderful guides/helpful advices
for a first time pvper im really happy to earn the elite set

[lyric onyx]

I hope they all stay viable and it doesn’t become everyone running the same shit

[potent pivot]

congrats buddy. keep it up!

[hard compass]

true dampening is when you can't blow through the straws anymore to move your character

[elfin sequoia]

i mean , i was a sub pvp player till now so...

i do zug

that spicy random cold+secter

oof

[lyric onyx]

Time for 2.1 and 2.4 .. don’t wanna end the season without the illusion and tabard do ya 😉

[sharp sierra]

i feel like its gambling

i barely got to 1800

[lyric onyx]

Nowhere to go but up

[sharp sierra]

realest

[lyric onyx]

You got 1800 now, even if you drop a bit of rating you know you have it in you to get it again

Confidence is key

[hard compass]

you'll quickly yoyo between 2k and 1.8k instead of 1.8 and 1.5

[lyric onyx]

Exactly

Even though being in a rating yoyo feels awful

Hate it

[sharp sierra]

after watching r1 races it gave me severe rating anxiety

[hard compass]

same, feels like ur being gatekept. but after a few the bottom bracket feels noticably easier as you learn

[lyric onyx]

I was stuck at 2.1-2.3 a few weeks ago I was losing my mind.. think I got to 2396 or something at one point then bam back down to 2.1

[sharp sierra]

4 away from 2400 holy shit

[lyric onyx]

Had to log off after that

Depression

[sharp sierra]

one thing i learned from league is to not rage queue

[neon slate]

@fierce laurel did you decide if you're ignoring tier gear on sub

[worthy crag]

better than not being able to log off and queueing till 3 am

and being a zombie at work next day

[lyric onyx]

Lucky for me I don’t really rage, just get sad

[elfin sequoia]

i am sad cuz idk how asa works

😦

[jaunty osprey]

do dam

win game

[sharp sierra]

neither do i, i just cc and track drs

[lyric onyx]

Zug garrotte zug rupture zug shiv

[steel linden]

How many rounds played?

[jolly sierra]

finally u are done

[sharp sierra]

freedom indeed

[jolly sierra]

tbh 1k8 feels like a fkn adventure when u reach it for the sets

i got the set by a bug at day 1 but decided to do it anyways

[quaint cape]

can confirm, ZR and AP pump just wen 6/0 in a shuffle

[jolly sierra]

cuz i was unsure if they would take it away

[worthy crag]

so my alt that has 86 wins above 2400 has 0 concentrated primal chaos

and my main that has around 105 wins? got 1 of it from pvp strongbox

what the fuuuuuuck.

[sharp sierra]

that was for lariat recraft i guess?

[worthy crag]

any recraft in general

[lyric onyx]

Was like 150-200 at that point I think… not the best

[neon slate]

what are all the things that you need to drop everything and kill? Im thinking of like shadowfiend, spirit link, war banner

do you need to drop everything and kill earthen wall totem

[worthy crag]

psyfiend

skyfury totem

[lyric onyx]

I’ve got 7 conc primal and like 70 round wins above 2400 .. am I just lucky?

[worthy crag]

static totem, probably

[lyric onyx]

I thought they were common

[neon slate]

what do you do about earthen wall just ignore it

[worthy crag]

guess im super unlucky

[neon slate]

is it better to kill it if you have to fight near it

[worthy crag]

ive never killed earthen before but prob cuz im sub

fel obelisk

and then gargoyle & tyrant you wanna kick or los or gouge

[warped anchor]

no you don't kill earthen lol

it has the same hp as the resto shaman

[dusk spindle]

how to survive a 1v1 against a disc priest?

[warped anchor]

you don't

[dusk spindle]

oh

[warped anchor]

they are healer

you are not

[dusk spindle]

ok but he not a dps

[warped anchor]

unless it's deep damp

disc is hard to kill as it has a lot of cds, focused will and 2 ps charges to use in stuns

[warped anchor]

they do a lot of damage

[jaunty mirage]

disc priest is definitely a dps hahaha

[dusk spindle]

ik i was jokin 😦 my healer out dps the warrior i was fighitng

[jaunty mirage]

hahaha

[tribal bay]

same

[dusk spindle]

1.6m priest an 1.2m warrior

[warped anchor]

disc is really broken in 2s

[dusk spindle]

insanely broken

like a fistweaver

but range

[warped anchor]

2s is a bit of a joke rn

just assa rogues, disc priests

some warriors

[dusk spindle]

and sometimes that one DK

i havent seen a single caster all daty

[tribal bay]

nobodys playing rated 2s and 3s

everyones in the shuff

havin a blast

[warped anchor]

shuffle is def what people want

not sitting in lfg

[tribal bay]

yep

[dusk spindle]

im praying they add 1v1s

[elfin sequoia]

nah

tanks in 1v1...

[dusk spindle]

disc priests in 1v1s.....

honestly would pay to watch a 1v1 tank V disc priest rn

[elfin sequoia]

resto dud 1v1....

[cosmic seal]

is assa still viable without any part ?

[elfin sequoia]

like no set?

[cosmic seal]

Ye

[elfin sequoia]

i mean yes but the problem aint that , it is just that other ppl get 4 set and they are better so u need the 4 to keep up

[cosmic seal]

When I play against rogue disc, they outdamage me so hard

[elfin sequoia]

i always get outdamaged wdym...

[sharp sierra]

ele shamans really do feel like a melee spec

[elfin sequoia]

cuz they are

they stay melee so u do not run xD

got instacast 24/7 anyway

[sharp sierra]

lame spec ngl

[elfin sequoia]

kinda good tho

[warped anchor]

kinda how casters have to be with all the micro cc and kicks

[graceful ravine]

i thought rets were nerfed

guess not

i just went 3-3 twice

0 rating gang lets gooo

[jolly sierra]

they adapted, checked the taken talents from murlok and switched a lot

btw i watched pikaboo shuffle video and was very simple

as recount

sap then blind

that is all

use a lot of gouge to troll healer

[graceful ravine]

rocket science lets gooo

[jolly sierra]

lets goooooooooo

[elfin sequoia]

gouge?

from where ?

tell me , from where xD

[jolly sierra]

wait

[elfin sequoia]

lemme guess

[jolly sierra]

he broadcasted a 2k2 game in shuffle and the guy didn't blind after sap, so is more common than usual lol

[elfin sequoia]

shadow?

[jolly sierra]

can sound dumb

[elfin sequoia]

no i mean , from where u get the point to put in gouge

[jolly sierra]

but switching nerve can be good to take gouge

deadened nerves

[elfin sequoia]

hmm

[elfin sequoia]

i mean ye but don't u think 3% is a lot since assa is a sponge

[jolly sierra]

those are ur choices, the not purple ones

[elfin sequoia]

compared to sub and out

?

[jolly sierra]

3% vs a cc to survive more by killing faster tho

but is not mandatory to take gouge tho

[elfin sequoia]

i know

fuck fleet footed

[jolly sierra]

personally i like gouge but def would change nerve for that

A

what no no no

u need to gonna go fast

[elfin sequoia]

nvm , i can not cuz i get out nerve

tho ngl i do not like to run the echoing

[jolly sierra]

well, is pretty strong and still a common choice

[jaunty osprey]

idk, i run gouge and it's won me so many shuffle games at like 3k mmr

i feel like gouge is seriously underrated in shuffle

[elfin sequoia]

and what did u switch for it ?

[jolly sierra]

i like to troll w panda gouge

[elfin sequoia]

wtf u mean , in solo it be top tier

[jolly sierra]

u can use it in back

[jolly sierra]

seems like nerve and fleet footed

[graceful ravine]

do you ever pick the movement speed talent for ranged classes

[jaunty osprey]

idk what fleet footed is gonna do for you when every class has 10000000 mobility abilities

[elfin sequoia]

why need it when u have 2 shadow?

[jaunty osprey]

you have 2x step

and crippling

[graceful ravine]

better than nothing tho

[jaunty osprey]

you don't need it

[elfin sequoia]

u mark shadow insta kidney

[jaunty osprey]

if someone outranges you, put bleeds onto the closest target

[elfin sequoia]

u stop the fastest shaman out there

[jaunty osprey]

until you can get back on your kill target

[elfin sequoia]

or just throw 1 dagger

also

this feels good

idk i like it more than the serrated side

[jolly sierra]

ah yeah im using that

got 6-0 in my match

[elfin sequoia]

i am still learning asa so idk much but works

tho i h8 the sponge side of it

[jolly sierra]

who doesn't

[elfin sequoia]

dh...

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, i wanna try the aoe shiv

in shuffle

[jolly sierra]

anyways, can u show drake gear for AWC guys?

[jaunty osprey]

i just made an alt rogue today

[jolly sierra]

curious about the trinkets

[jaunty osprey]

to test it

[jaunty osprey]

https://awc.gcd.tv/

that was for last week's gear

for drake

[elfin sequoia]

aoe shit is dope

like

[jolly sierra]

lemme see, ty

[elfin sequoia]

oh shit cdew be doing it

[jaunty osprey]

too scared to try it on my main, but it looks fun when i was watching nessper do it

in 2s

[elfin sequoia]

why scared

[jaunty osprey]

cause im so used to sbs

i personally like it

[elfin sequoia]

so the thing now is that they can go lower hp faster

and we kinda have an execute window now

cuz zoldyck

[jolly sierra]

emblem and 2 daggers w haste

interesting

yeah zoldyck is the execute

u basically are using the 2set of shadowlands s3 and 4

plus DTB

[potent pivot]

from what i'm hearing with as many speed enchants and shit we have this season fleet footed's speed bonus actually just puts us past the speed DR

[jolly sierra]

drake used like 1110 haste for AWC

interesting

[potent pivot]

still have to take it to get to DN though

if needed ofc

[jaunty osprey]

i dont see any other top rogue running Arterial Precision in shuffle

hmmmm

i wonder if i even test it

[solar monolith]

is Assassination S tier right now in PvP?

[elfin sequoia]

in solo

y

[solar monolith]

what about RBGs and Arena?

[elfin sequoia]

depends

good coms with a sub rogue can fuck up some 1 rly b

bad

[solar monolith]

im stuck between maining a rogue but only play Assassination or play warrior

[elfin sequoia]

why only assa?

[solar monolith]

since i dont want to play sub lol

[elfin sequoia]

why

it be fun

[solar monolith]

is it A tier right now?

i thought it was hard to play

like you have to be able to do setups

[elfin sequoia]

bro , the only hard part is not be predictable with ur burst...

[dull bridge]

doing setups is fun

[elfin sequoia]

same works with assa tho..

[dull bridge]

it's more fun than doing your rotation on the blue class

[elfin sequoia]

and most 3 comps are with sub not assa cuz of big burst

[atomic loom]

does sub not take mfd anymore?

[jolly sierra]

im testing ret in skirmish

killed a guy with a 74k exorcism

[potent pivot]

sub has never taken MFD in DF

not reallistically

[potent pivot]

putting specs into tiers is honestly just bad, creators do it for content but it's literally a meme half the time.

sub also has a more 'pve' oriented build where rupture does big dam

it's a bit less stringent on your set ups

[solar monolith]

whats the better spec to play right now then?

[potent pivot]

all 3 are viable

outlaw is a little behind on the ladder

[solar monolith]

what comps with assassination

[potent pivot]

there is no "better spec"

for 2s or 3s?