pvp

[sharp sierra]

and leave them to do their damage

i forgor rogue players have to be 200-300 rating above everyone else to be useful

[uneven grove]

cloth casters are harder to kill than WW, warrior, rogue, ret

yeah we did train the ele, but it didn't die, so just swapped to their mate and that's all

[normal ibex]

Hello guys, what do you think about sepsis for outlaw in pvp? is it viable after 10.0.5?

[sharp sierra]

400k+ hp unkillable slot machine dps

[uneven grove]

literally

when he was in my team he did half my damage just died

next match i got lavalavalava

earth shock

died

[hard compass]

I would love if evo dispel cd wasnt literally half that of DM

[sharp sierra]

XD

4 specs are currently the worst theyve ever been to deal with

solo shuffle is legit only filled with arms warriors, eles, disc and holy paladins

[hard compass]

current lobby pres, arms, ret, destro

[uneven grove]

man i want to be a pvp dev

would send racials home insta, fck dwarfs and shit

just nerf fcking assa base damage instead or DM even more idc

and make it undispellable

[hard compass]

they literally made combust undispellable, whilst making our main burst perma removable

[uneven grove]

because they can't be fcking consistent

Dark Soul undispellable? okay seems fair

*le blizzard HQ drinking fire mage tears

[hard compass]

lmao

[uneven grove]

Combustion undispellable? okay seems fair

now they do the same with DM

[hard compass]

hopefully we dont need 3 years of crying first

[uneven grove]

tbh what can i expect, my karma on WW still disappears from ME when pala press bubble, bop, or mage ice blocks himself

fcking logic

[hard compass]

spaghett

[uneven grove]

but at least assa is broken with 4pc and we don't need DM anyway to kill

we could just remove it from action bar and play like that

nothing would change

WAIT

first be lucky to get tier pieces, ohh i wasn't

too bad

idk why LoL, Dota and battle royale games are popular, i would give all characters a slot machine aka vault before every match and they can get a bonus item on start

[sharp sierra]

if i were a wow dev id cut mobility in the game in half

first and foremost no 2 charges

and yes, paladins you will lose your steed

[potent pivot]

I would reduce the amount of cc and slows

[sharp sierra]

ele shamans having a dash is so bad

[uneven grove]

bruh legit the guy kited my WW

fcking unleash shield root has NO DR

[sharp sierra]

there's no reason for them to have that

[uneven grove]

who the fck came up with that

yeah he jumped away

i am like wtf, double checking his race, it's orc

i thought he is a goblin first

[potent pivot]

Man can you imagine if you could just level a char and go into pvp where everyone runs off a template

Would be a bit boring progression wise though

[sharp sierra]

14 yr olds wanna be the next faker

but they are plat 3 with 48% wr 800 games already

and the season started 2 months ago

[tacit crane]

Game's fun and runs on potatoes/toasters

That's basically it

[uneven grove]

yeah but we don't even need that, just set item on conquest vendor, delete vault

or disable pve set in pvp

there are easy solutions imho with not much effort

i would definitely do m+ with my friends if i would be forced to take vault from pvp slots

[hard compass]

when you join SS it says on scoreboard how many round won. is that random or is that how many rounds you need to gain rating?

(before the game actually starts and everyone is still on 0/0)

[sharp sierra]

small indie company visual bug

[hard compass]

I thought so... just trying to give them benefit of the doubt that they might put a useful/interesting feature in

[unborn portal]

[potent pivot]

Yeah this I agree with too tbh

Make the set on vendor only active in pvp

EZ fix

[uneven grove]

yep yep

i had a 4pc assa in my shuffle today, guy just went down on 1 target

[unborn portal]

hey knock knock

[hard garnet]

Good morning assassins

[normal ibex]

guys what do you think about outlaw in pvp after patch? is it still viable or ?

[unborn portal]

all three specs are viable

[past tapir]

out of all the mobility you cripple the slowest class? lul

[sharp sierra]

yes

fuck mobility

[past tapir]

i mean im down, as long as DH gets the bat the hardest

[sharp sierra]

agree on that

[past tapir]

outlaw is fun af imo

[hard compass]

can we also target classes with walls/TP that function during hard CC?

[past tapir]

other specs are really fun too, but my favorite ability gotta be killing spree, as awful as it is

[sharp sierra]

monk tp

🐒

id say remove shadowstep along with it

leave us only with vanish

[hard compass]

reward positioning > mobility

[past tapir]

dude i have never been kited so hard other than this resto, he was running lasso, thunderstorm, improved ghost wolf, that jump BS thing, earth grab, earth bind

i could stay on him for a good min

[hard compass]

agree, but give vanish cdr for all specs

[past tapir]

then i would run out of SS charges and be left in dust\

[hard compass]

if we cut mobility, ss isnt needed tbf

[past tapir]

i was just talking about my earlier experience, not related to mobility removal discussion

[hard compass]

ohh xD

[fierce laurel]

Or you could go play wrath and let us be.

[sharp sierra]

classic cataclysm waiting room

[past tapir]

man wrath is a grab box, but 90% of grabs are just insta lose to some weird cheese

[rose iris]

Why is payed guides linked in discord pins?

[past tapir]

400 RATING GUARANTEE IMPROVAL imagine just starting at 0 rating and u wanna see it

the luls

[sharp sierra]

jokes on me

[rose iris]

Idk feelsweirdman its first discord i find that links to pay guides xd

[sharp sierra]

i cant regain the 200 rating i lost

[potent pivot]

Who’s there?

[hard garnet]

This

[potent pivot]

Outlaw is the most popular spec atm PvE wise, so if any of those newer outlaw mains want to PvP

That’d be why

[raven cliff]

Ok, I drank my own piss. Now what?

[frosty wing]

Does Cheat Death work as intended in pvp?

Doesn't feel like it's cancelling any damage

[sharp sierra]

people run elusiveness and spam feint

i guess its better

[frosty wing]

It feels much better since Cheat Death doesn't even do anything half of the time

I just got killed by a shaman, alone, where he crits for 40k on Earth Shock, procs Cheat Death yet it still kills me

[rose iris]

they have so it casts 2 earth shock still?

[frosty wing]

Wouldn't that show as 2 casts? I see only one

[unborn portal]

Not double tap

Shit is gone

[tribal bay]

yeah

i think because theres actually a general lack of rogue pvp guides

thats the conclusion ive come to so far

because ive been looking for a high quality one like some classes get, but they dont exist

[tawny kestrel]

especially this early in an expansion, guides arent great cus things tend to change constantly

[tribal bay]

there isnt many great content creators except pika and his guides are mid

[tawny kestrel]

its best to just keep up with streamers/whatever sources of information u have

video guides arent great

[tribal bay]

some are fantastic

flarks frost and UHDK guides are insane

same with partywaffles

those guys are lucky

[tawny kestrel]

well they can be fine, but they tend to go out of date very fast

[tribal bay]

trutru

[tawny kestrel]

especially this early in a new expansion

[sharp sierra]

I LEARNED A LOT HERE

where is my sin rogue execute ability

[wise breach]

Zoldyck!

[sharp sierra]

ah it only takes 2 minutes to get down to 30%

[potent pivot]

Cheat Death works the same as in PvE

[potent pivot]

There is plenty of free information available from SkillCapped

[waxen meteor]

they are rocking

[potent pivot]

No one here is advising you pay for the service

[frosty wing]

In PvE it works flawlessly

If an aoe is supposed to kill me, then it doesn't

[unborn portal]

I did paid skillcapped and it is NOT worth imho

[potent pivot]

If someone does enough damage you will die through Cheat just the same as in PvE

[frosty wing]

So the issue that I have with that is

In PvE, the damage is much higher sometimes

And yet I don't die because of Cheat Death

[potent pivot]

There are loads of things in PvE that’ll kill you through Cheat

[unborn portal]

it would be worth maybe if youre NEW NEW to pvp but if you've been playing a while you just gotta put in time to learn

[frosty wing]

in PvP though, because there's more than 1 source of damage, I feel like it bugs out and doesn't block it properly

Like the example I just gave above

Shaman uses Earth Shock, crits for a little below 40k, procs the cheat death yet I'm still dead

[potent pivot]

Making proper guides takes a huge amount of time and commitment, try to be understanding of that

[frosty wing]

I just made the math

[wise breach]

Sure, but that's because you're likely taking other hits as well

[frosty wing]

The shaman would need a 160k to proc cheat death and still kill me

[wise breach]

In PvE there may be one big hit that it saves you from but then healers have time to heal you back up

[frosty wing]

That's true, what I think is happening though is that sometimes it doesn't reduce the damage properly

[spice iron]

Blizz def gunna make sin unplayable next tuesday

Lol

[hard compass]

sin is getting hit with a bat asap

[wise breach]

Elusiveness is normally better in PvP except against one shot comps

[frosty wing]

I take Cheat Death against those and it still doesn't do anything

[wise breach]

Meh, the whining is hilarious to me, literally nothing changed except more people getting 4pc

No one is running Arterial Precision in tourneys

[spice iron]

Huh

Do you have proof of this? Ik Nahj never talented out of it

Didnt watch the other ones too intently

[wise breach]

I could see the 4pc getting a 50% nerf in PvP

[spice iron]

Hemotoxin nerf + 4pc nerf

[wise breach]

I didn't watch Nahj, so I could be wrong about that one, but Pika wasn't using it, Drake wasn't either pretty sure

[spice iron]

Did they even try it yet, it's kinda nutty

[wise breach]

Losing Shrouded and Bone Spike is a big loss

[spice iron]

yeah but losing 20% bleed dmg in kidneys and 35% executes is worse lol

big dam

esp vs cleaves

[wise breach]

You can run 2/3 Zoldyck and still have SS and SBS

Vs cleaves AP does make more sense

[sharp sierra]

is it morally ok to grief an arms warrior's last win just cus they zug zug tunnel vision you every game and int their ass off?

[dull bridge]

yeah nothing changed this Tuesday as far as tourney goes

[hard compass]

yes

[sharp sierra]

ok doing it

[wise breach]

That's silly, if they're playing to win and training you is the best way to do that, why would you hold that against them

[sharp sierra]

cus he lost me 2 rounds

[hard compass]

cus fotm

[spice iron]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1718536887

atleast nahj is running it

idk about other rogues i'd have to look

[wise breach]

I mean assa is fotm too right now

[hard compass]

not everything is that serious man

let us meme

[sharp sierra]

i kinda doubt its fotm

you leave stealth ur immediately forced to use 1-2 defensives and try to not get executed

[spice iron]

7/8 awc finalist were assa teams, the 8th hadn't fought a rogue and promptly went 0-6 when they fought one

[hard compass]

I guess you gotta drop dtb to hit arterial?

[wise breach]

No you can run both

[sharp sierra]

pro players dont equate to casual 1600-1800 rating

[spice iron]

why are we talking about fotm at 1600-1800, just click ur buttons

[fading blade]

I’d only go aoe shivs on zug comps

[uneven grove]

i am a bit sad soloQ killed off 2v2

[fading blade]

Even still you’re losing so much damage

[hard compass]

ty

[spice iron]

you gain kidney damage

which is rly what matters

idk play what you want, but i'd suggest trying it

feels really good

[hard compass]

I havent tried yet but was wanting to try a build incorporating zoldycks at least

i thought fatal/doomblade wouldve been a big loss

[turbid rose]

Ok, weeb question, is Zoldycks supposed to be a HxH reference lol?

[wise breach]

Probably!

[sharp sierra]

how are 2 prot paladins queued up as healers?

[turbid rose]

I had that yesterday, it's horrible.

[hard compass]

seem to very rarely get 2 tanks rat her than 2 healers

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[sharp sierra]

what

[wise breach]

Prot pallies are still classified as healers in shuffle, all other tanks as dps

[uneven grove]

that's solo shuffle rule

prot paladins are healers

in blizzard devs mind

just run over them, gouge 1st angel, blind 2nd angel

they are dead

in 10 sec

[wise breach]

I mean it makes sense, I don't know how good their healing is now, but historically prot has had mad healing output the last two expansions

See Drainer playing prot in AWC in SL, etc

[hard compass]

havent figured hte full kit out yet but they appear to have a bubble they can put on teammates

[atomic loom]

Playing rogue mage and every double melee cleave just runs us down when we try to reset. Does anyone have some tips on how to survive their goes if we dont get a kill on our first or 2nd kill attempt

[potent pivot]

No way to know that as a fact atm

[boreal basin]

do you guys more often throw bone spikes on each enemy to get the dots going, or more on one target for the raw dmg

[twin burrow]

Multi sbs helps cp generation

[uneven grove]

multiglad resto druid randomly died in solo shuffle at 2k mmr

i wrote "Lmao"

he griefed 1 match then left

[warped anchor]

dont be toxic then

[hard compass]

lmao

[uneven grove]

i swear people shitting on soloq rating doesn't mean shit, nor rated 3s rating means anything tbh

[uneven grove]

nah can't do shit about snowflakes, if lmao considered flaming or toxic then i am out

not like i did /spit, i know that's really really toxic

[thorn flax]

Is it worth going 2 parts instead of 2 off set pvp ?

[warped anchor]

of course it's toxic

you know it too

[uneven grove]

yeah sure

[turbid rose]

It's toxic, but at the same time, I ain't soft enough to throw and quit because someone laughed at me. Especially if I kind of deserved it lol.

SS queues too long to be worrying about that shit lol.

[warped anchor]

i wouldnt grief for sure

[uneven grove]

lmao doesn't even mean "laughing at you", i just checked death recap and wrote lmao

[warped anchor]

but i'd think you're a cunt

[turbid rose]

I could live with being a cunt and tbh, yeah, I wouldn't automatically assume lmao is directed at me. I got nuked by an Evoker yesterday and everyone laughed including me lol.

[uneven grove]

yeah it was kind of the same, ele slot machine

somehow killed druid, DH and me wrote lmao same time

druid went afk xD

it was funny tho

[turbid rose]

Haha.

[uneven grove]

ele is just a shitty class, hope it gets nerfed to the ground soon and disappears

[warped anchor]

honestly so is assa rn

[turbid rose]

I've been 1 shot several times while learning Rogue, it's just a part of the game lol.

[potent pivot]

Idk, to me 3s means a lot more than solo or 2s

[uneven grove]

yeah called it before reset, every assa who got 4pc on wednesday gets +300 rating at least this week

[warped anchor]

tier sets needs adjusting

its unhealable damage for some healers

[potent pivot]

I guess that can vary from person to person but imo 3s rating is the best insight to someone’s skill (when it comes to rating as a whole) but using rating to judge skill is still kinda dumb

[uneven grove]

3s never really clicked to me, probably cus it's elitist af

more like networking, than playing the game

[worthy crag]

inb4 flexing on peak rating off of unchained season

[warped anchor]

3s is more fun as i can play with my mates lol

[potent pivot]

[warped anchor]

and we're all around the same xp

[potent pivot]

Well it takes more coordination as well

[uneven grove]

by networking i mean it's more important to know good players to play with than being an actual good player

[potent pivot]

Not trying to downplay anyone’s achievements but it seems pretty easy to get near ~3k in shuffle if you have a decent understanding of the game

[warped anchor]

3s at 1.8 feels harder than SS at 2.3 mmr atm

[turbid rose]

If I had a healer buddy I'd love to do 3's lol.

[dense thorn]

carry me in 2s then please sir

[uneven grove]

cus no one playing 2s and 3s anymore

it's deflated af

[warped anchor]

true

[dense thorn]

when i play sub with a random pug.. we win all the time, as soon as i play with a friend (hunter and rdruid) we lose more games than we win and he shits on me for being 'terrible'

im confused ot if its actually all me and im being carried or not lol

[turbid rose]

Or you just have bad friends lol.

[dense thorn]

i just get told 'i do negative damage' lol

[turbid rose]

Yeah I know lol, I bust my friends balls all the time.

[potent pivot]

I do carries on my server but I am definitely not going to solicit them through Ravenholdt I’m sorry

[dense thorn]

ill give you 50g

what server are you?

[turbid rose]

I could never buy a carry. As soon as I'm done being carried I'd get folded. Rather slog my way up there lol.

[dense thorn]

the only reason id do a carry is so i could actually get into groups that are 1.1k cr but want 2.9k xp only

like ok bro

i have 2.9k xp, i was afk in it but i got it

[potent pivot]

[dense thorn]

tbh.. id rather you watch a vod of me playing and chat in voice to what im doing right/wrong 🙂

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’m thinking about offering vod review, similar to how the pve channels do log reviews

[dense thorn]

yh i sent a video yesterday and some people looked at it but it normally just brings more questions

[sharp sierra]

why are some people high speed glitching in arenas

i mean wahts going on

[hard compass]

if their names are a deep purple thats normal

[neon slate]

Can I get refresher on how evasion works? You can’t evade from the back right so the counter play to a rogue evading would be to cheap shot or kidney him from behind?

But blur for some reason evades from the back?

And then once they’re stunned they don’t evade from any direction any more right?

[wicked rampart]

Correct

[hard compass]

quick stepkidney to end any foolishness

[uneven grove]

found the assa 4pc guy

in my lobby :))

[hard compass]

xD

stay out of 2k and you wont have to run into me

[wise breach]

Well that was definitely a Zoldyck tick at the end, damn

[neon slate]

But if you ship kidney into the front side of an evasion you just sad right

[hard compass]

correct

[raven cliff]

Did someone say something about shipping kidneys? I might be interested, DM me

Oh wait, I thought this was the black market server, my bad

[turbid rose]

Well that escalated.

[potent pivot]

[hard compass]

Madame Goya has left the channel

[uneven grove]

get 4pc -> press garrote 3 times -> enjoy legend title

at least ele didn't have time to ramp up his damage, cus everyone was perma dead after 5 sec

[raven cliff]

Get 4pc -> Blizzard nerfs the bonus -> hardstuck at 1200

[worthy crag]

still 2 more weeks for my 4 set

funnn

[uneven grove]

4set assa is easily the most broken thing in DF so far

[raven cliff]

I just started a new rogue on a new server, so I'm at least 4 weeks away

[neon slate]

Am I supposed to try to sap off of fears in solo shuffle?

Are all fears long enough for the enemy to drop combat from them?

[lyric onyx]

its tight timing

i think theres an addon that tells you when combat is gonna be dropped on enemies

[neon slate]

Is it worth using dance or vanish and spamming sap?

I see

[lyric onyx]

probs just dance

coz if theyre feared and youre gonna be sapping you'll wanna be killing and probably be in dance anyway

[fickle dragon]

Got hit by a warrior mortal strike while he was bladestorm even though I had evasioned already. Is this war talent causing his MS when he is blade storming to be considered an AoE and not a targeted ability?

[dull bridge]

does bladestorm go through evasion?

[sharp sierra]

no

[graceful ravine]

43k garrote tick is massive

my max is 39k

[jaunty mirage]

surely not easier than dh was

assa rogues can at least die

[sharp sierra]

imagine 4 set gets nerfed on wednesday next week

and half of us never experience what it is

[jaunty mirage]

id count on that tbh

[dense thorn]

assassin is so boring to play ngl

[uneven grove]

u can sap off blinding light from paladins too

[jaunty mirage]

what will be funny is all the people fotm rolling assa rogue rn who dont realize how big the gap is between 4pc assa and non-4pc

damage gap*

[uneven grove]

it's pretty damn easy, counting biggest damage is also a damage reduction + silence

and damage is non recoverable

[jaunty mirage]

yeah for sure

but its still a rogue

[uneven grove]

it's boring cus they moved our damage from melee swings to passive DOTs

imagine if mutilate would hit 20-30k per weapon

and envenom 50k

[graceful ravine]

are u telling me my rating is because i have 4pc and not bc of my pure skill as a ninja?

[dense thorn]

i mean i have 4pc

and i still fucking suck

[uneven grove]

gonna go wotlk assa man. 3.4.1 assa was the best

[sick moth]

what classes are you playing with in 2s as assa?

[uneven grove]

open with 3 garrote, kidney kill target, blind healer, if healer keeps trinket just vanish sap

legit with this u can win 80% of the games

[dense thorn]

yh but thats boring lol

[uneven grove]

pvp is just as scripted as pve tbh

[graceful ravine]

maybe its a good thing assa's dmg isnt very screenshot worthy

multiple ticks of 40k doesnt look as crazy as 1 crit for 150k

[jaunty mirage]

hunters have been a counter to rogues since vanilla

[sharp sierra]

execute abilities kinda suck

[uneven grove]

NO I GOT A PROT PALA LOBBY AT 2k

[jaunty mirage]

big shout out to the absolute creatures out there playing tank specs in arena

[graceful ravine]

could be the easiest r1

[potent pivot]

SP, priest in general, lock, rdru, feral, mage, etc

[sick moth]

I was trying fire mage but wasnt working too well

[dense thorn]

if i queue with a mage they do like 60k damage overall

and die in 15 seconds

is great fun

[sick moth]

lol

playing as assa or sub?

[jolly sierra]

tell him than ruined ur day

[noble plinth]

yo where is the primal infused vendor?

cant find him

[polar kiln]

You upgrade the gear on upgrade vendor now

[jaunty mirage]

tank spec?

[noble plinth]

ohh nice

[jaunty mirage]

probably

[uneven grove]

got 4 win xD

16 rating away from 2.1k

[jaunty mirage]

inc double arms war/sv hunter lobby

[hard compass]

odds are in a 2k tank lobby, one is actually good at the spec and the other is malding every round he cant meme

[uneven grove]

that would be free, i am on my WW 😄

[jaunty mirage]

ahahaha

wait really

does ww not melt to arms wars

[uneven grove]

ww dies to everything xd

[jaunty mirage]

i love seeing ww on my sv hunter

[jolly sierra]

niiiice

did u got ur tier already?

[uneven grove]

but far better into melee cleaves since FoF parries eevrything + i can kite melees

[fierce laurel]

A grapple they can’t DBTS and ROP for kyrian spear.

[uneven grove]

2/4 on WW

[fierce laurel]

If they’re not stunned they’re ok.

[jolly sierra]

then is done with monk

that is the stronger tier bonus from them

[uneven grove]

yes, 4 piece will be a nice addition but nothing game breaking

[jolly sierra]

btw need to check monk AH i sold a lot and im about to expire my sub lol

[uneven grove]

prot is a healer right

fury should be one aswell 😄

[uneven grove]

you quit?

[lucid citrus]

If we got 4 set do we want to use the Zoldyck and Arterial build?

[potent pivot]

Nah

[jolly sierra]

no way

[graceful ravine]

i was in a lobby with 3 shamans of all specs

thought to myself oh nice free win

but they were all dwarves

rip

[jaunty mirage]

call an ambulance

but not for me

[uneven grove]

i see an ele

i get aids

that spec is obnoxious

[graceful ravine]

i was told by whazz assa shits on ele

but i got zapped for my whole life bar

[jaunty mirage]

traditionally it does

assa is like their number one predator

[graceful ravine]

whats the kill window for ele's stormkeeper?

i insta cloaked once his cast was completed

he still zapped me 5 seconds later

[jaunty mirage]

kill window is prob however long skyfury lasts

[vague tundra]

what tier pieces should we get as assa

[sharp sierra]

3 wins

[potent pivot]

15 sec

[jaunty mirage]

but really the issue is that their burst can still be really high outside of cds

[sharp sierra]

287 rating increase

what the hell is this mmr

[hard compass]

might be like 2.5k in other spec

[jaunty mirage]

thats just someone on a win streak

[graceful ravine]

so if i insta cloak stormkeeper, he can hold his cast for 5 seconds and kill me after?

[sharp sierra]

arent they independent?

[graceful ravine]

or should i cloak mid-burst

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure yeah

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

its def longer than 5s

stormkeeper lasts a long time

[potent pivot]

Yeah

[jaunty mirage]

its the other buffs you need to wait out basically

[worthy crag]

I just tank one stormkeeper cast with feint and try to step healer or something

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

[worthy crag]

force em to use the next charge on someone else

[jaunty mirage]

also killing skyfury as soon as you see it

[worthy crag]

ive seen some ele not even use skyfury

[jaunty mirage]

you cant stop their burst basically, but its pretty telegraphed

yeah

their damage overall is just high

thats why they are scary

can still zap the shit out of you without cds

nerfs this week didnt do shit haha

ele is still monstrous

[potent pivot]

Nah the nerf was pretty small

[hard compass]

i think they affect mmr but thats just suspicion, i swapped sub to assa and i was 1.6 in 3 games

[potent pivot]

Definitely needs more attention

[worthy crag]

id be happy to see arms nerfed

But for some reason ppl are just ok when arms is broken

[sharp sierra]

mAiN cHaRaCtEr cLaSs redditors

[hard compass]

its just unrelenting pressure, if you walk away you're punished by repeated charges which chunk you

[jolly sierra]

cuz they are warriors

[sharp sierra]

wars SHOULD NOT have 2 charges

[gleaming pawn]

Stormkeeper is just stupid period. I got zapped by a fucking RESTO shaman for 110k last week. My 2s healer lost much of their motivation after that

[graceful ravine]

https://streamable.com/by1w5g someone gimme a vod review

besides being a boomer and slow on my vanish

[hard compass]

I mean even if you step to your healer it's mongo cleave so you both just die

[worthy crag]

they specifically nerfed resto stormkeeper this tue so good news for you

[lyric onyx]

melding a storm bolt is the best feeling ever

fuck warriors

[spark cradle]

I just started playing rogue, can someone confirm cloak works on spear?

[worthy crag]

No

[gleaming pawn]

It’s physical damage now, so nope

[hard compass]

it was magic in shadowlands but they changed it for DF

[fierce laurel]

Is that essence break too?

[spark cradle]

Gotcha. Thanks. Do we have anything that gets us out of it?

[gleaming pawn]

Sprint pvp talent

[fierce laurel]

Does it really?

[alpine axle]

Im pretty sure it doesnt

Youre just stuck

[hard compass]

feint should be enough, may also need to evasion the damage. Im not sure if you can pre-evasion to dodge the spear?

I wasnt aware of sprint pvp working

[sharp sierra]

im so close

i just want the fucking shoulders man...

[alpine axle]

Maybe its a bug since the new patch, i know a warrior friend of mine was complaining a boomkin just disengaged out of his spear

So they might've fucked something up

[steel linden]

Just keep playing friend. I dropped from 1597 to 1510 after three zero rating games followed by a 2-4 lobby against 3 warlocks

You'll make it

[sharp sierra]

[hard compass]

I hit 1799 a few times, don't worry 😐

[steel linden]

The three warlock lobby was the worst thing I've ever played against though. Straight up.

[jolly sierra]

same

[sharp sierra]

damn#

[alpine axle]

Prob should do something on the DH so he cant stun you at the start so you can get multiple garrotes of,. But also losing your healer when the shaman has stormkeeper up is probably not the play

Esp since you used your cloak on almost nothing beforehand

[hard compass]

I'm currently hitting the same wall around 2k where the lobbies just switch to multiglads and mongocleaves

[dense thorn]

do new sparks drop from pvp?

[graceful ravine]

good point

[dense thorn]

i didnt mean to reply to you lol

[alpine axle]

or well, you cloaked when he casted stormkeeper but he just didnt cast any of his buffed lightningbolts while your cloak was up so

[graceful ravine]

nah it was a fel rush for 60k

[tame nexus]

I sidestepped one today, was sprinting in 1v1, it landed but the area didnt cover me. didnt know it was possible

[rose iris]

Guys where can i find tips on what to do in solo shuffle

i played my first match won 5 games played my 2nd and got into a 2k lobby

[graceful ravine]

so... best time to cloak stormkeeper is after taking 1-2 hits?

[fierce laurel]

In between the first and second one yeah

[worthy crag]

or meld the bolt

[fierce laurel]

Isn’t lighting bolt hit scan now?

Instant projectile.

[granite zinc]

weird that I like playing vs the melee cleeves now vs spell

[potent pivot]

Feint when they stormkeeper, cloak after 1st bolt

[uneven grove]

bruh getting -50 rating for a 2-4 lobby

[wanton breach]

if you evasion before the spear is cast on you, you can walk out of it, otherwise nothing a rogue can do works

[uneven grove]

i cba what is this shit

[graceful ravine]

makes sense

[spark cradle]

Perfect! Thank you for this!

[granite zinc]

me too

[potent pivot]

When they have Stormkeeper up they get 2 instant casts

[graceful ravine]

i prob also shouldnt tunnel any dwarf eles

[rose wigeon]

are assass rogues running AOE shiv now in arena?

[graceful ravine]

not being able to DM sucks

[rose wigeon]

heard theres an interaction with it thats making garrote hit for like 100k

[uneven grove]

legit i waited 20 minutes to get into an ass lobby to lose infinite rating for 2-4

[granite zinc]

the worst is the 2 wins usually come first and just lose out rest of way lol

[fierce laurel]

Yes. I mean there is no projectile anymore. Ie. the time between cast and impact is 0.

Basically should be called lighting shock.

[potent pivot]

Think so ye

[dense thorn]

i went 5-0 and got 0 rating

so...

thats fun

[granite zinc]

owwie

[grave pier]

Quick question

if i apply bleeds on an off target

and blind that target

will the bleeds take that target out of blind?

[granite zinc]

nah blind will take off the dots but gouge wont

[dense thorn]

in sub burst.. are you shadowdance, strike, gloom, evis, strike, cb, st?

or ignoring the gloom

gloom/backstab

[fierce laurel]

No. That’s a pve thing

Don’t gloom

[dense thorn]

yh dont even have gloom in this build

so all of that minus gloom

and can you kidney and then go into a cheap shot to extend it?

[fierce laurel]

I usually evis my first stealth button in dance because I take first dance

[dense thorn]

i have first dance too

so youre shadow, evis, strike, cb st

[fierce laurel]

After a blind I vanish ss kidney dance evis ss sectec

Opening cold I cs sec tec ss kidneys ss

On a regular go it’s ks dance evis ss sectec

There’s a lot of different things to do depending on how it goes.

[sharp sierra]

love it when "multiglads" have trouble in 1600s and flame everyone in the lobby

didnt stop crying the entirety of 6 rounds cus i cant sap a healer that gets instantly in combat

[turbid rose]

I just ask them how virginity is treating them. No time for people crying on a video game lol.

[toxic yarrow]

whats the sin opener ?

[dense thorn]

when they insta trinket and then dont pop shit

[granite zinc]

garrote tab garrote tab garrote tab

[alpine axle]

Sometimes you have to mfd kidney a DH or something so they wont insta stun you and prevent you from getting your garrotes of

[hard garnet]

That's my moto

[warped anchor]

garrotte everyone

enjoy free 1.8

[uneven grove]

elite khmm

[warped anchor]

lol

funny when im playing healer and im dying to something

then i look and it's garrotte xd

[graceful ravine]

anyone know when r1 cutoff will be publicly shown? how was it in the past

[uneven grove]

for 3s or solo?

[graceful ravine]

both i guess

[uneven grove]

for solo it's like top5 for every spec

top10 max

[graceful ravine]

its gonna be the same rogues across all 3 specs i bet

if its that low of %

[dense thorn]

yep lol

no way is that top 0.1%

[warped anchor]

one guy with 5 rogues

[uneven grove]

for most spec it will be the same person with 3 alt tbh

:)))

[graceful ravine]

when will the data be available tho

the cuttoff #

[uneven grove]

there are like 5k WWs in the ladder, so top5 WW get title

idk about rogues exactly

[graceful ravine]

that 5k is only WWs above a certain rating right

is that how blizz r1 calculates its population?

[wicked rampart]

I mean sites generally don't bother with tracking cutoff until we know or are fairly certain when end of season is

[granite zinc]

I don't think we know how they will calculate total players for SS yet

[wicked rampart]

I mean for the spec breakdown if it's not literally anybody that has competed in the bracket the cutoff is literally gonna be like 3 lol

[graceful ravine]

everybody should make 10 rogues each and play 1 shuffle game to add to the population

take one for the team

[wicked rampart]

But yea that I'm aware of we have no info beyond "top 0.1% of each spec"

[dense thorn]

this last solo.. healer went 6-0.. the other healer clearly didnt have keys bound or something lol, but he was 500 rating above all of us lol

[boreal basin]

started pvp 3 days ago and getting to conq cap, i first got all honor gear and then conq weapons and rings

what would be the best buys with my conq

since i havent had any pvp vaults

so i feel a little behind

[dense thorn]

im running in all honor gear it sucks

most honor gear anyway

[boreal basin]

i mean i dont feel awful in honor gear

i have all of them

im just wondering how to proceed with gearing from here on out

[granite zinc]

probably want to buy the legs/chest/helm and start making them tier sets with the catalyst (once a week)

[boreal basin]

fair fair

would it not be better to get some smaller pieces and hope on the big ones from vault tho

[granite zinc]

sure if you want to try your luck

maybe keep enough conq to get a main piece in case you don't have one in your vault

[boreal basin]

also worth crafting stuff?

and heard about another 2 piece set that gives vers?

[tame rivet]

doesn't work in instanced pvp

[granite zinc]

yeah the drakebreakers stuff from world pvp is pretty good...I'm rocking 4 of those right now for the "shield"

[granite zinc]

oh damn lol

[tame rivet]

but is good for the stats

some piece are vers mastery

[boreal basin]

is it better than honor gear?

[granite zinc]

yeah

[tame rivet]

for sure, the max upgrade can go to 421 in instanced pvp

[granite zinc]

you can do the weekly spark quest to get a currency to make them epic too

[tame rivet]

while conquest goes to 424

[boreal basin]

oh wow really

how do you guys do that quest? I find it taking quite a while

[tame rivet]

world quests mainly

lucky with a war supply crate

[boreal basin]

ah okey, and then i can buy it with those tokens?

[tame rivet]

elites killed also give them

[boreal basin]

and upgrade it with honor

[granite zinc]

you can go to pvp custom groups and find a spark farming group

usually just a group of players farming each other in a pvp zone

[tame rivet]

yes you can buy drakebreaker blue gear with bloody tokens that you loot with warmode on

[warped anchor]

what's the bet they gut tier set by the time i get it next week

[tame rivet]

then blue drakebreaker is upgrade to purple with seals of strife, 8 per week from weekly quest

[granite zinc]

I get it next week too so 100%

[frosty wing]

Wait wait wait guys

[granite zinc]

some guy just told me he can't wait until my shit class is nerfed 😦 😦

[frosty wing]

Is this normal?

[tame rivet]

i got it this week, you can still get clobbered and have 0 output with the set bonuses

[frosty wing]

This is bugged right?

[tame rivet]

visual bug

[granite zinc]

yeah bugged

[warped anchor]

to be fair

assa is aids to play against

[frosty wing]

Ok I figured

[potent pivot]

Main hand wep/Chest/legs/gloves/shoulders get crafted pvp boots and helm

[frosty wing]

What would be the ilvl if I upgrade ths one?

[worthy crag]

I dont mind running into sin rogues since im sub and can kill them relatively easily

arms on the other hand..

[tame rivet]

i had teh same "issue", in my case i had a purple drakebreaker that was won from a world quest that was not max possible ilvl and the upgrade fixed that

[warped anchor]

yeah sin falls over to sub

[boreal basin]

shouldnt have bought my second dagger

[boreal basin]

hat crafted pvp boots and helm would it be??

[waxen meteor]

Yeah

[tame rivet]

check other drakebreaker gear that you have and says primal infused

[waxen meteor]

I am actually scared vs sub when I am sin

[tame rivet]

and see what ilvl it has

[potent pivot]

You have to craft them through the work order system

[waxen meteor]

and I like to see sin when I am sub

[warped anchor]

i like ele shamans as sin

[tame rivet]

i dont

especially in arenas with high spots

[warped anchor]

they just fall over

[tame rivet]

you just get slowed knocked back and then that's it

[dull bridge]

harder to kill clothes than warrior, dh & ww

[warped anchor]

the good ol rock paper scissors of wow pvp

[dull bridge]

you're griefing if you're not playing intent to kill against any of the wizards ngl

[hard compass]

shock, a 1k mw ruining my game for 2.1k

[worthy crag]

With the catalyst in game and the amount of dmg going around I am more convinced that 4p with verse gloves is better than 4p with crafted helm

[warped anchor]

love seeing rogues/ arms warriors on frost mage

[tame rivet]

you mean standing still

[warped anchor]

seeing a warrior waddle to you at 30% movespeed

then you blink charge

[tame rivet]

while

[warped anchor]

then alter charge

glacial hits way harder than that lol

like 180k

[tame rivet]

i got semi lucky dw

[worthy crag]

Thank god its a burst spec now

[tame rivet]

was only half dead after that

[worthy crag]

Nobody enjoys dampener frost

[warped anchor]

yeah its burst, you have frozen orb ice lance spam and glacial

ring of fire does high consistent damage tho

still rather get hit by a 200k glacial than a 150k ms

[granite zinc]

what do you take a point out of usually? I see a dude taking a point out of elaborate planning on murlok

[worthy crag]

I still need to do 6 more 16+ keys so no pvp this week, gotta get that 418 mastery embellished ring

[warped anchor]

most people dont even play kidney shot bleed so intent to kill is hard to get

[graceful ravine]

cant u get that ring in pvp?

[pale storm]

After you get all honor gear I’d say get conq weapons (can also opt for 1 conq weapon and a drakebreakers upgraded since its vers/mastery), then honestly I would save the rest. Just hold conq for a few weeks and see what vault gear you get, since if you get lucky with pvp tier (the tier pieces that increase ilvl in pvp) that would be quickest way to get 4 piece imo

[warped anchor]

why would you save now

[dull bridge]

usually elaborate - maybe sometimes venom rush

[warped anchor]

you can get catalyst each week

[worthy crag]

pvp drops primal infusion, not concentrated primal infusion. The former only caps at 405 ilvl

You need concentrated for 418

[graceful ravine]

am i crazy... let me login to check

[warped anchor]

i thought you get concentrated for 2.4+ wins

in pvp

[worthy crag]

Well if thats the case ive never gotten one even though both my rogues are well above 2.4

I mean i have shit tons of primal

just not concentrated

[warped anchor]

hm ok

[graceful ravine]

ya i have this and ive never done any pve

[worthy crag]

Ive legit not gotten one concentrated from pvp

no idea

[graceful ravine]

ya this drops from arena, you need 10

maybe bad rng

[alpine axle]

It drops from chests above 2.4k

[warped anchor]

just random wowhead comment tho

[worthy crag]

Yeah thats crazy, I have like 180 wins past 2.4 across the board currently

maybe i just have boxes sitting unopened

I feel like ive burned my soul pugging a key up to 17

[warped anchor]

i feel like that too when i pve

[steel linden]

16+ is pretty easy honestly

But I also think 1600-1800 arenas are hard with assa 4pc so

[worthy crag]

It taught me a hard lesson to never invite someone from ragnaros

[frosty wing]

I've been playing outlaw whole expansion

Stuck at 1k7 in soloshuffle

Changed to assa today, just today, with no idea how to play

[hard compass]

lmao xaryu showing ele off on stream

[frosty wing]

Already reached 1k8

What's happening with this spec

[hard compass]

fresh toon, stormkeeper is disgust

[worthy crag]

Funnily enough i did the same thing but with outlaw

I just press random shit

[frosty wing]

How do you win in outlaw? I lack damage

But Idon't even have t2 so that might be it

[worthy crag]

Idk tbh I just try to line up the pistol procs with bte and kidney on the target

And grapple away when they on me

[frosty wing]

As a burst window? I still fail to do that lmao

At least they fixed the hook's bug

That was so stupid that you couldn't have subterfuge and use it without losing stealth

[worthy crag]

It kinda does fall short of its initial expectations when DF first landed

[neon slate]

Can we unlock multiple catalyst conversions in one week with alts or nah

[worthy crag]

I think you can

Im savinf my catalyst charge for now

in case vault gives me a tier slot

If not i still need 2 more weeks for 4 set fml

[neon slate]

I want outlaw 2 set so bad too lol

I also lack damage but it’s been goin up lately

For me the weak aura to show the ambush procs was a game changer

[worthy crag]

Might be hot take but I feel like the left capstone making amush able to double strike is dogshit

[desert iron]

does the best assas build take indescriminate carnage/arterial precision now? sorry to barge into your discussion. if anyone knows or has a link to the talents to view pls share

[worthy crag]

Like i cast ambush like, 4 times in a round?

[jaunty mirage]

it will be nerfed before that haha

[idle field]

Jury is still out on ap, but seems like people are liking it

[potent pivot]

It does not, and no worries

Check the pins

[desert iron]

thats updated for 10.0.5?

thank you both for reply

oh i see it yay!

tyty

[worthy crag]

Eh i dont play sin so they can nerf it away

[potent pivot]

Yes, it may change in a couple weeks

[jaunty mirage]

ahh ok

[potent pivot]

But for now that’s the recommended

[jaunty mirage]

my other char is sv hunter so im fine with people fotm rolling assa rn, but i really cant stress how much people shouldnt be lmao

[worthy crag]

Assa has been the go to for most rogues since like legion s7 anyway

[jaunty mirage]

yeah for sure

im talking about people seeing 4p assa damage and thinking they should go level a rogue

[graceful ravine]

by the time they get 4pc, itll be nerfed kek

[jaunty mirage]

it will be nerfed before they can get 4p and its a very different spec with and without it

yeah lmao

[worthy crag]

Yeah its big hopium to think sin wont be nerfed very soon

[idle field]

the way they've been rolling out nerfs, if you don't have it now and its op its def not worth leveling lol

[jaunty mirage]

^

yeah if you want to fotm chase in DF

you basically need a 70 of every class fully geared and ready to go

[worthy crag]

Its just a double edged sword for having easy pvp gearing

[idle field]

I'll give the current state of sin 2 weeks max

[jaunty mirage]

yep

[worthy crag]

wod was like that and ended up having just 5 comps on ladder

[idle field]

maybe when other classes start getting the 4 piece it'll balance out

[granite zinc]

fotm rogues get rolled

[worthy crag]

Nah sin 4p is a league of its own tbh

[jaunty mirage]

that being said, you could probably safely level an ele sham right now and it would be fine

[worthy crag]

nah. roll arms

[granite zinc]

me picking that PVE item week 2 instead of tier now I wait

[worthy crag]

devs love when arms is 0 tier

[jaunty mirage]

yeah true

or just warlock tbh

[sonic peak]

Having 4p what talent should i run? Stick to 4poison or AP

[jaunty mirage]

pretty sure all lock specs are A tier with zero chance of nerfs

[worthy crag]

who doesnt love getting speared into bladestorm into war banner into disarm into stun into fear into another bladestorm

[idle field]

DTB is the way

[potent pivot]

DTB

[jaunty mirage]

if SL is anything to go by, arms war should be safe the whole way through

[fierce laurel]

It’s tuned for a damage profile in pve that under represents how much it contributes to pvp damage. Where’s sub is the opposite.
Has there ever been a case of them putting a pvp multiplier on a tier set specifically or are we just going to see broad nerfs with the assumption that ever rogue has tier?

[worthy crag]

Iirc arms had like 13% ladder rep on 3s in sl s1 and they took 8 months to nerf interveve

13%

[hard compass]

boom 2.1k

[graceful ravine]

i saw a few tier set pvp nerfs for ele

so its a thing

[fierce laurel]

Ok good.

[jaunty mirage]

they can just make it do less damage in pvp flat out

[worthy crag]

yeah tier sets had pvp modifiers in sl

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

cause you had like

sv with pre-nerf tier was so silly

[worthy crag]

Sin SL tier was nerfed by 50% wasnt it

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

[worthy crag]

the vendetta tick acceleration

fucking hilarious

VENENDETTA VANISH HES DEAD!!!!!1

[jaunty mirage]

and that was nerfed pretty fast by SL standards

[worthy crag]

skill'ed

[jaunty mirage]

so i think people can expect a pretty quick nerf to assa tier again

[worthy crag]

Thank god at least master assassin leggo is no longer here to plague the class

[fierce laurel]

They just need the 2piece to affect sec tec and rupture then I’d wear it.

For sub.

[jaunty mirage]

MA was such a toxic thing to design a class around

[fierce laurel]

But i can’t see myself putting it on for sub rn

[worthy crag]

Nah, rather have em gut sec tech and design the dmg profile around evis

[raven cliff]

No one uses Exsanguinate in PvP, correct?

[potent pivot]

Most don’t but you definitely can, compared to MA it’s not bad

[hard compass]

I've used exsang quite a bit, it's good for faking goes but I wouldnt call it meta

[worthy crag]

Kinda funny how feral just went extinct

Had one that just did his usual m+ rotation all rounds, breaking blind ofc, go 1-5

Did not feel sorry at all

[granite zinc]

did he top dps tho

[jaunty mirage]

big number

[worthy crag]

Na had a dh

[hard compass]

I can only hope to one day feel the burning passion in my heart, that a dh sees when a teammate casts blind

it must be euphoric

[granite zinc]

I had a DH not break my blind earlier and I got to sap off it

it was wild

[hard compass]

gonna need a vod, champ

[worthy crag]

"Only I, the demon hunter, must be the blinded one" proceeds to break blind for RP reasons

[hearty bane]

saw a feral doing a top dps today as well, maybe they’re still alive lol

[sharp sierra]

A hunter told the healer in our team "when a mosquito lands on ur balls u will know that violence is not always the answer, be kind"

[jaunty mirage]

tbf to them, it works out for them more often than not, so who cares really

[sharp sierra]

and we won 5-1

[hard compass]

I mean they all start and end 2.4k and I can only dream of that...

[jaunty mirage]

hahaha

oops broke blind

good thing im doing 55k sustained

[worthy crag]

Kinda assuming a lot that they even know they broke it smh

[jaunty mirage]

had a dh in a 2.3 lobby the other night go "lets see who do i want to kill this time" and it just made me so sad

[hard compass]

[HIGHAPMDH] has earned the achievement: Dragonflight Season 1: Crimson Gladiator]

[jaunty mirage]

he ended up going 4-2

id call targets and he would just do whatever

[worthy crag]

Hero class btw

[jaunty mirage]

didnt even matter lmao

won both rounds on his team

[hard compass]

In fairness they chose to be hero, we all rolled npc's its totally on us

[jaunty mirage]

true

[granite zinc]

3 locks including snutz in his match funzie

[jaunty mirage]

kinda sounds cancerous depending on who the 4th is

[jaunty mirage]

you dont understand man

they gained like 2 buttons going into DF

[granite zinc]

spriest lol

[jaunty mirage]

dh is basically an sv hunter now

so many keybinds now, idk how they manage them all

must be playing with 2 keyboards

[jaunty mirage]

that actually sucks for the spriest

[fierce laurel]

I added sec tec and took symbols off of dance this xpac, but lost two covenant abilities and black powder so it’s Gucci.

[jaunty mirage]

dh players went from pressing 3 buttons to 5 and think they are wrath resto shamans now

[tired heron]

What's the consensus on ER as assa?

I see most EU rocking it and some of NA don't

I guess its more burst oriented but dunno

[uneven grove]

man anyone who has 4pc on assa should queue up 3s with an affli lock

i can't even imagine the damage output 😄

[light estuary]

lol same boat

[jaunty mirage]

cause of the drain life bug?

[potent pivot]

Always take it

[mental latch]

sorry is there some trick im missing? how is a demon hunter running around with 990k hp in world pvp away from those strange buff zones

[uneven grove]

there is a drain life bug?

man i don't even have words now

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

[uneven grove]

is there anything which works rn?

[jaunty mirage]

the buff they get that stacks up to 50

at 50 stacks its doing like 1500% damage

people saying they are getting 60k drain life ticks

[untold kayak]

is there a sub pvp bg build

[boreal basin]

does drakebreaker upgrade to epic on its own by honor leveling it

or do you need something special

[jaunty mirage]

trophies from wpvp

from the sparks quest

[boreal basin]

oh ye, it does seem to have the visual bug of going to ilvl 475 supposedly

but wow you need more than i thought you needed

chest needs 10 and quest gives like only 8

its once per week right

[jaunty mirage]

yeah

[unborn portal]

few items cost more than the weekly 8 ye

[jolly sierra]

lost 3 in a row w pally

after that won 3 in a row

won 43 cr

nice

[granite zinc]

opposite here

[boreal basin]

can you make the epic drakebreaker gear into tier pieces?

[granite zinc]

every time I get close to 2k I can rolled

[unborn portal]

yes

[jolly sierra]

F

[unborn portal]

post video of gameplay

[granite zinc]

what's a good recorder these days

[potent pivot]

Yeah but it’s better to use conquest gear

[unborn portal]

obs

[boreal basin]

yeh im just deciding what to spend my last 1500 conq on and what to get with drakebreaker

also theres pvp helm and boots?

what are those

[hard compass]

Infurious gear

[potent pivot]

They’re crafted using the work order system

[boreal basin]

and why helmet boots?

[hard compass]

Helm gives flat % damage against people who damage you, boots give hardness buff

[potent pivot]

Because they have passive effects on them and have 424 pvp ilvl

[boreal basin]

ohhh i thought all of them did the same thing

[potent pivot]

Boots give CC reduction

Helm gives flat 1% dmg buff

[boreal basin]

oh so the level also doesnt matter

[potent pivot]

Mhmm

[hard compass]

Nope

Always scale up in pvp combat, the craft rank only matters for pve content.

[unborn portal]

[waxen meteor]

Hot discussion today!

[potent pivot]

They are really good in general and especially for gearing up quick

[waxen meteor]

Went lunch and came back with 4305050 messages to catch up!

[boreal basin]

are these the same crafted pieces for all armor tiers?

so plate too

the rarity doesn't matter either right

for the helmet boots

i can just use the cheapest crafting mats

[potent pivot]

You have to use sparks of ingenuity

[boreal basin]

yeh but besides that i can just use the cheapest tier of crafting mats right?

[potent pivot]

Other than that I’m not 100% sure you’d have to ask the crafter

[boreal basin]

its fully for pvp

[unborn portal]

[boreal basin]

the hood nd boots should be 424 right?

sry if im asking a lot :D just wanna make sure

[bleak slate]

Is the new tabard/cloak out yet for 2400?

[wise breach]

Yes

Just no illusion yet

[bleak slate]

excellent!

do you know if you can buy it off the vendor?

or do you have to do a game past 2400 if you are already there

[wicked rampart]

Wait so the patch notes were actually bait? lmao

[wise breach]

Cloak is just added to your transmog list, not sure about tabard

They actually removed the illusion bit from the patch notes later in the same day after adding it

[waxen meteor]

Cloak works

[bleak slate]

kk, i thought i checked last night and didnt see anything different in my xmog list

[waxen meteor]

Cloak is added last night NA

[bleak slate]

its prob bugged and you have to play a game after you get 2400

[wicked rampart]

Oh so giga bait, got it

[twin burrow]

the 2400 thundering stone on the elite set and the 2400 tabard

is almost nonexistant

they all in'd on the glad mount

expect shit for illusion

[waxen meteor]

btw i think set looks nice for rogue this season overall

[twin burrow]

but why give us something prestigious that doesnt look prestigious

im a human with an ego, i want to look cool

[waxen meteor]

purple one, red one and yellow one

all look good

[wise breach]

I really like the purple set, just wish we had purple weapons to go with it

Don't understand why there are matching weapons for every raid set version but not for both PvP versions

[boreal basin]

wait does the tier of the spirit's hood decide how much % more you do?

or is it always 1%

[alpine axle]

always 1%

[unborn portal]

[boreal basin]

how much does conq cap go up every week?

[fierce crystal]

550

[shut solstice]

Dumb question guys: Does mind numbing poison slow bleed? I saw some no name steamer mention that it didn’t just effect spells, but haste enchanted ticks in general

If haste increases ticks…. Does mind numbing slow how quickly assassination rogues eat my ass?

[spark egret]

Ok so how bad is solo shuffle nown

Is warrior cringe

[jolly sierra]

what have i done

i was rock bottom without tier in all this weeks

[proven field]

Wait until you run into a FWing MW

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-man-wtf-angry-pissed-off-furious-gif-15654907

[jolly sierra]

think gonna retake the habit again and get back my 1k8 cr and then climb more

maybe just needed motivation

[keen dune]

I have 2 pvp pieces of tier and 2 heroic pieces of tier ilvl (411,408). Would it be worth using that tier in pvp even tho I lose ilvl?

[jolly sierra]

i was using 3 lfr pieces

[keen dune]

I’m boutta go nuts

I could have been doing this for weeks…. I’ve had 4 set since week 3 :/

[jolly sierra]

:/

i literal just got from 0 to 4set this week

[boreal basin]

is there other non embellished gear you can craft for pvp

[jolly sierra]

some ring tho

but tbh even honor one is better there

[fierce crystal]

Ye the 418 ring With socket is insane

[boreal basin]

theres no armor u can craft with sparks but no other stuff

that has no embellishment

[worthy crag]

No, all of em are embellished

[boreal basin]

but does go high lvl in pvp

[potent pivot]

Theoretically yes but not enough to be worth mentioning. It’s best when it comes to casters and non-GCD locked classes

[dusk spindle]

how tf do i live against a survival hunter

[boreal basin]

u kill them >:)

[dusk spindle]

kk

disarm work on them/

?

[worthy crag]

You dont

[dusk spindle]

Control is king any good? against caster

[jolly sierra]

against caster manuv is better