MFD is your run out of points immediately need to kidney someone button
#pvp
dull bridge
yes - how many times do you really not know when you'll kidney though
I'm usually waiting for the cd or dr anyway, and it's not a big deal to hold points instead of casting a 20k envenom
warm lance
What else would you go for then? thats worth? with the points allotted
MFD is very useful for Kidneys on a pinch
You get a free 5cp kidney opener and a free 5cp kidney later into the game to score a kill
mellow plume
anyone else playing DTB with arterial precision?
warm lance
I belive most people think giving up Shrouded is not worth for that combo
Instead of DTB-Shrouded with Zoldyck
mellow plume
yeah fair enough
was just thinking for deathmark go's would add alot of extra dmg with duplicated bleeds
but shrouded probably more consistent ig
long roost
you would be dropping significantly more than it gives
hell shrouded alone is 20% garrote, which is all arterial gives
granted arterial is all bleeds, but you get my point
steel linden
Instead of DTB-Shrouded with Zoldyck
Is there a tree for this floating around
steel linden
Okay I thought so
warm lance
AFaik it should be updated
unborn portal
no you dont know what im saying lmao
you can upgrade blue ones and epic ones from worldquests in honor / "upgrades"
but if you want the 421 one, that you upgrade from token of strife you need the BLUE item (any upgrade rank) because that is the material needed for the item 🙂
and if they changed that then idk
long roost
im fully aware how its meant to work.. i just showed you an image of a vendor bought blue, saying you cant upgrade it and the old vendor has no option to buy them as before..
wide eagle
ah true I'm in gladiators refuge
unborn portal
??
jolly sierra
u will call me crazy
steel linden
Pins build isn't running Zoldyck currently @warm lance
But I can see where it'd fit
jolly sierra
world quests are good sometimes
what
steel linden
@warm lance I'm guessing........?
wicked rampart
im fully aware how its meant to work.. i just showed you an image of a vendor bo...
Could it be showing like that because you don't have enough trophies to actually do the upgrade? Also it was definitely working on the upgrade dude last night for me, however they may have disabled it to fix the bug that some pieces were showing upgrades to like 479 pvp ilvl or some shit
unborn portal
<@136531211811028992> I'm guessing........?
I run something close to that
slow prism
where i can find new assa pvp talents build?
idle patrol
unborn portal
where i can find new assa pvp talents build?
check the pins 
long roost
Could it be showing like that because you don't have enough trophies to actually...
unless they broke it over on eu.. /shrug
steel linden
I run something close to that
Could also drop Cut to the Chase I suppose....?
silent umbra
Damn, I hope blizz provides an update soon on that vendor
Need to get the epaulets for catalyst 😭😭
jolly sierra
you got tier from wq?
wq blue item w socket
wicked rampart
In solo shuffle hitting the same "wrong" target is still almost always going to be better than trying to hit separate ones, unless you are like sub sectech oneshotting or something
im jk im jealous no matter what I have 3pc
steel linden
Also looking at this @unborn portal
unborn portal
I just linked what I use
twin burrow
you got tier from wq?
word, what?
unborn portal
word, what?
he converted it via catalyst
steel linden
I just linked what I use
I feel like I don't wanna lose the Garrote 20% ambush Mut buff though
unborn portal
I just press buttons and things die
ya but
the execute
below 35%
its crazy
lol
twin burrow
has anyone noticed stridebreaker, like has anyone felt a difference
steel linden
Ya I fit that in along with I'm sayin
twin burrow
im starting to think it may be better then i thought
unborn portal
im starting to think it may be better then i thought
the movement speed reduction?
twin burrow
duration yes
steel linden
Shiv free and high damage though.... Could be nice
unborn portal
tbh I downloaded a WA that alerts me of special totems
so in conjuction with that and stridebreaker
I do feel like I be shmoovin
I wish it reduced duration of debuffs on you by 30% out of combat as well, that would be so good.
restealth feels like it takes forever; and usually have to stealth step press button before tick goes off
warm lance
<@136531211811028992> I'm guessing........?
What Mackavelli linked
Is what ive seen floating around
My Warr alt has gone up 400-ish CR over a week and it just feels like it wont stop
With how things are right now
unborn portal
warm lance
Kinda sad and funny at the same time
Most of the CR I gained was before this patch tho
IP just makes it easier
unborn portal
Kinda sad and funny at the same time
silent umbra
What’s the interaction between MA and Garrote? Does the increased crit chance only apply to first tick or entire duration?
steel linden
What Mackavelli linked
I guess I'm just surprised people route through that direction rather than Blindside for the Ambush damage
warm lance
<:joegrin:760888322510946365>
Sad cause I know this character will overthrow my rogue soon
But I guess I was a Warrior for 15years
brave yarrow
im stuck in pisslow, i need the giga pumpage build to abuse with my 4p
do we have new tech or is the pinned build still the best
warped anchor
warm lance
im stuck in pisslow, i need the giga pumpage build to abuse with my 4p
do we ha...
Do you wanna cheese or play gooder
wtf
Did they really fuck that one up?
warped anchor
guess so lol
brave yarrow
Do you wanna cheese or play gooder
i want those big cr gains quickk
unborn portal
i want those big cr gains quickk
try that for like 2 solo shuffle games then get back to me
fierce laurel
Damn, no mastery offhand this season?
warped anchor
world pvp dagger
unborn portal
Damn, no mastery offhand this season?
drakebreaker gear
unborn portal
use conquest 424 dagger and drake 421 off hand w mastery
warm lance
i want those big cr gains quickk
If you wanna cheese with Subtlety you can do this. But this also means you gotta use Flagellation in advance to build stacks and when you go for kill with Kidney you should be ready to Shadow Duel then full burst
Its omega cheese
But it worked atleast last patch, probably still does
fierce laurel
Why do you have perforated veins?
fierce laurel
Take deeper over that
serene vigil
Hi guys can anyone help me in pm..
I play assa rogue with destro lock presev evoker. And we getting hammered by all the meatgrinder comps.. they braindrad just train de lock how can i help me teammates without beiing constant in de meatgrinder myself
warm lance
Illö just log my rogue and cehck
fierce laurel
long roost
Hi guys can anyone help me in pm..
I play assa rogue with destro lock presev evo...
hope youre running disarm
warm lance
Damn my setup was very diff from what I remembered
long roost
i tend to just go into disruption mode when its comps like that
unborn portal
abuse map vertically with lock and rogue
disarm
play gouge (gogue off dps)
unborn portal
make sure you're sending kidney the second its off DR on kill target
unless you have a go to delay
warm lance
Mackavelli did you read the Chainsaw Man shit all the way through btw?
Or just watch it
serene vigil
I am playing disarm hemotoxin and manouvrability. And try to disarm on their cd’s kidney when i can but sometimes i feel line they dont matter that much or they dont care at all
warm lance
Id recommend running Smoke Bomb in solo que. No matter what
serene vigil
Btw were just low rating so ubviously were doing a bunch of shit wrong
warm lance
I almost never let go of Bomb+Hemo on Assa
unborn portal
Mackavelli did you read the Chainsaw Man shit all the way through btw?
yes
serene vigil
Just trying to get a better idea on what to do
warm lance
Especially in lower rated bomb is huge
serene vigil
I run bommb on caster comps mostly
warm lance
Its very good vs anything
Ive found
The lower the rating the stronger it is
It makes people panic
Id imagine its mostly the same even in 2k-ish
serene vigil
abuse map vertically with lock and rogue
disarm
play gouge (gogue off dps)
What exactly do you mean? Verticaly? Like i’m trying to sit healer so meatgrinder doenst cleave so easily?
warm lance
Cause if you use it sporadically itll fuck with your opponents
long roost
honestly smoke bomb is the bisggest pvp talent
wicked rampart
What’s the interaction between MA and Garrote? Does the increased crit chance on...
The increased crit lasts the duration of the MA buff, so any ticks that occur in that window will have +30% crit. It does not snapshot the extra crit for the entire cast.
long roost
the sheer number of surprise kills and using it to reduce charge, grips etc
serene vigil
Do i try hemotoxin bomb with disarm?
long roost
thats what i run
warm lance
I pesronally have Hemo+Bomb near 100%
serene vigil
En maybe try go for kidney bomn healer when they do a go?
long roost
swap disarm to maneuver if tyheres no mele
warm lance
Then I swap between Maneuv and disarm
long roost
En maybe try go for kidney bomn healer when they do a go?
bomb is much better ot kill dps
you los the healer
long roost
it forces the healer to get into mele or risk you blowing up their dps
which leaves them open to KS, vanish / garrote, blind
warm lance
If they get into the edge of bomb you can just Gouge them
If they trinket assuming they havent yet, thats a full blind
serene vigil
So better not to use bomb als a attempt to get ghel to play defensive?
warm lance
Theres no set way to do it
serene vigil
Its also my first season as a dps too so in that option its all a bit new to me
warm lance
Bomb is amazing cause you can improvise with it so much
serene vigil
I played healer in our prev seasons
warm lance
you can move way from your kill target and their heal, to bomb them on the edge
mellow plume
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1067659064433197087/im...
You think this is viable in 2s aswell or zoldyck dosent have asmuch value there?
warm lance
so theres less chance for the to get to you
languid mirage
Is it worth to get any tier equip from trophy?
warm lance
As much as I think Pika is too far above most players
languid mirage
I'm lost now that i can't see trophy pieces on the vendor
warm lance
I think this video actually explains both solo 3s and 2v2 really well
Its huge on priority targeting
serene vigil
Ya but players like pika and whaaz are just to insane players 😂
warm lance
I dont think Ive ever seen Pika this serious before
long roost
one thing i see a lot, is people just training till an invuln,, then training the next guy
warm lance
Ive been around for 15+years and ive never seen Pika be this serious and thoughtful on commentaery
long roost
Ya but players like pika and whaaz are just to insane players 😂
but you can learn a lot by understanding how they think
long roost
you can implement one idea, keep it a few weeks, then the next
serene vigil
one thing i see a lot, is people just training till an invuln,, then training th...
Yea thats what i’m usually facing aswel i feel like they dont care about anyting than just pump the meatgrinder
warm lance
Honestly, that video alone is almost a full guide in its own way. Its so scatter brained but its so good
long roost
Yea thats what i’m usually facing aswel i feel like they dont care about anyting...
doesnt work
serene vigil
They basicly dont do go’s they just throw random stunns etc as long as they can stay connected
warm lance
You should watch it thoughtfully and just listen to what he has to say
@serene vigilTrust me, watch that vid
serene vigil
I’ll what vid in s sec
long roost
force people to pop defensives, swap pressuire, spread dots as assa is insane, then go back to the guy with no CDs
serene vigil
Maybe set it up for tomorrow then 😂
long roost
the thing with pvp, is... you cant really "just learn it" like a pve encounter.. its a lot of feeling of how the match is going
warm lance
Alot of things he has to say there are things I dont do and alot of things I do
long roost
loving my first season back on my rogue since wrath tho
serene vigil
Yea thats what my glad friend always say
warm lance
Lots of shit he said actually made me think about my own playstyle and why im not climbing
serene vigil
Dont try to be to best insane mechanical players just do as much games as you can and try to learn from those en than try to get in the “perfect” setups
warm lance
PvP being so feelycrafty and freeform is why I always come back to it. And why it was the only thing I played until Pandaland released
I didnt PvP until now again cause I had nobody to play with
Now I hve soloq
If your fundamentals are good youre already really fucking scary
If you ever played a fighting game youll understand it 100%
long roost
its why these random meme specs turn up now n then,. cause theyre kinda terrible but they have a gimmick in pvp that takes some time to figure out, then its useless again 
warm lance
its why these random meme specs turn up now n then,. cause theyre kinda terrible...
Yeh like Flagellation bursting in duel
Stack the Mastery, burst
long roost
the kul tiran mage burst one makes me laugh still
warm lance
Its telegraphed but it works until high rated
long roost
just punt the guys to opposite ends of the arena, blow someone up
warm lance
Dayv is like 2.8k with Flag
shy gull
Honestly, that video alone is almost a full guide in its own way. Its so scatter...
he was drunk out of his mind while making this vod review it was hilarious
warm lance
he was drunk out of his mind while making this vod review it was hilarious
Yeah, but its its still very insightful and true though
Sure probably some things could be done different
long roost
Dont try to be to best insane mechanical players just do as much games as you ca...
you pvped long in general? or just new to deeps?
warm lance
But most of it is actually shit you can follow and do
I like Pika cause hes kind like me honestly lmao
Scatter brain as fuck
serene vigil
you pvped long in general? or just new to deeps?
I’m pvping since late bfa en S1-2-3 of SL bit always as healers cuz my buddy’s are they better players (dpsers)
long roost
a lot of people try to rush improvment, doesnt work, focus on nailing down one thing at a time. pika may say .. 200 things in a video
take one
learn it
get comfortable with it till its second nature
then the next bit
serene vigil
But this season i play rogue caus he wanted to play evoker heals
long roost
got back into fighting games recently, this is how i improved here, takes time man
warm lance
I still think the video I posted is very useful. It has alot of things you can pick 1 at a time and learn to do
serene vigil
Yea we really need more time to get games in
keen magnet
can anyone give me a tl dr on assa in 2s and assa in 3s?
long roost
can anyone give me a tl dr on assa in 2s and assa in 3s?
bleeds.. control, win
serene vigil
But ununfortunatly RL and work fcks us hard cuzz i’m working alot
warm lance
got back into fighting games recently, this is how i improved here, takes time m...
I played ALOT of GG Strive recently. Been about a year since I properly played it but man, that genre is so good
I cant wait for Street Fighter 6
Beta was amazing
long roost
I played ALOT of GG Strive recently. Been about a year since I properly played i...
strive is my game of choice, i havnt played recently but i tend to join a weekly tournament, the community is actually fantastic
warm lance
strive is my game of choice, i havnt played recently but i tend to join a weekly...
What floor player are you at? Im like 8-9 somewhere around tehre on Chipp
long roost
But ununfortunatly RL and work fcks us hard cuzz i’m working alot
the breaks help, overplaying just burns you out
warm lance
My usual friends I play with are 10-celestial
serene vigil
Yea but tou still gotta get games in 😅 becauss ow low time and still wanne raid en m+ to it really crushes the rena sesh
long roost
What floor player are you at? Im like 8-9 somewhere around tehre on Chipp
8-10 depending on the day, i recommend the wild tide if you want a good community, everones kinda insnae there
obtuse haven
Any god tier assassination rogues in here that I can ask a question to?
warm lance
8-10 depending on the day, i recommend the wild tide if you want a good communit...
I never joined any community ever. I just had my rfiend group of 9-celest players Ive played with. The day I picked up Chipp for the first time I played for like 1-2hrs in the Lab then went to play them
Nobody showed me any mercy
I got shat on and hard fucked with no rubber for hours until I started to take rounds off em
long roost
my first day in the community i went 2-80 vs a random guy, who was aparrantly thoroughly average on his main, it then came out he was on his 4th alt
obtuse haven
Oh I'm a Strive gamer too I'm down to clown
long roost
i learned a lot
warm lance
Bro Strive is so good. Its also useful for learning wow pvp in a way so its win win
obtuse haven
I'm celestial in Strive but struggle in WoW PvP
long roost
its all problem solving
obtuse haven
warm lance
Im also kinda pissed off Sin is the way he is. He was my main in XRD and I just dont liek him at all anymore
Ill prob stay Chipp or play Gio idk yet
obtuse haven
Stay Chipp he's godlike
warm lance
Fucking HARD to play tho
You get counter hit once your ass can say goodbye to tomorrow
obtuse haven
Yeah no room for mistakes
long roost
im a fan of white bread and water myself, but we appear to have derailed this section hard.. imma dm you a community link
warm lance
Its probably why I learned so fast though
I played chipp so much I kinda had to learn every other cahracter through trial and error
But anyway, if you two wanna play some Strive someday and just have fun im down
can DM me for it
Ill reinstall it np
obtuse haven
Same here.
tame nexus
How do we get 382 Drakebreakers nowpls?
obtuse haven
How do we get 382 Drakebreakers nowpls?
The PvP ilvl upgrade person upgrades drakebreaker gear now
tame nexus
I shows not possible i my ui?
long roost
yeah i had that, not sure what the issue is
silent umbra
It’s down right now
tame nexus
they completely removed the tooekn ones?
obtuse haven
Oh it's because it wasn't using your trophy's of strife
I upgraded like 3 pieces without losing any throphys
So they must've taken it down while they fix it
silent umbra
Hahaha damn man count your blessings
dull bridge
I upgraded like 3 pieces without losing any throphys
gaming
obtuse haven
Just some minor pieces but I am lucky haha
silent umbra
How did you not notice that 😂
tame nexus
i dont get, so they removed all purpl gear from vendor and they made the blues upgradeable?
obtuse haven
i dont get, so they removed all purpl gear from vendor and they made the blues u...
I think the upgrade for drakebreaker is just down rn while they hotfix it
silent umbra
Lol nothing to be confused about. It’s just unavailable right now until they fix the code on the back end. And then it will be available again. Just have to wait
obtuse haven
Okay fr though I need some assassination help
How do I play around dwarf racials/evoker bleed purges?
I feel like I just can't press deathmark
dull bridge
press in kidney
serene vigil
One more question.. at the of the rena game vs a DH do still try to go in and sap something or play ot safe becaus they can see us
dull bridge
problem solved
long roost
One more question.. at the of the rena game vs a DH do still try to go in and sa...
try to avoid the dh, their sight is a 10 sec buff
if you use bigdebuffs you can see it on them pretty easy
serene vigil
Yea i use it. But was wondering since he’s looking and they pron just dashes in getting combat aka healer getting combat too becaus of hots
tame nexus
I try to step+sap them if situation permits
dull bridge
are you really playing rogue if you don't go for the step sap
obtuse haven
press in kidney
Don't I still only get 5 seconds of d-mark then?
long roost
if theyre daft enough to dash at you, you can sap them mid dash if you mash the button
serene vigil
Yea sure but not the end of the world if we dont get to sap something
obtuse haven
Rather than my 16 seconds
dull bridge
Don't I still only get 5 seconds of d-mark then?
better than zero
obtuse haven
better than zero
I see.
dull bridge
if the evoker has trinket you want to kidney + dm evoker - if not blind and go on the off target and you win. for dark iron you ideally want to send it in kidney since they can't trinket dwarf - trinket puts dwarf on a 30 second cd
obtuse haven
if the evoker has trinket you want to kidney + dm evoker - if not blind and go o...
Ooo that's good to know! I didn't know they couldn't racial after trinket.
That helps a lot! Thank you!
silent umbra
How valuable is shadowmeld for assassin and is it worth the cost to race change…
shy gull
if you have good reactions yes
dull bridge
one more note - if evoker's not dumb they'll hold bleed cleanse for deathmark. but they have a spell that lets them repeat spells. sometimes (if they're very good & cheeky) they'll throw it out to bait deathmark then use the repeat to cleanse. gotta watch for the stasis buff on the healer (3 yellow dots).
shy gull
like shadowmeld stormbolt and then u get improved garrote is just disgusting
long roost
How valuable is shadowmeld for assassin and is it worth the cost to race change…
if you look on pvpleaderboard, like.. 75% or something of the top 5k are night elves
free restealth, or you can dodge stuff like axel said, its nuts
alpine tinsel
Assa wants everything besides head for tier right?
long roost
yea
alpine tinsel
thx
silent umbra
Alright cool, guess I know what I’m doing while the PvP vendor is down 😂 and do you always macro it with stealth?
unborn portal
sharp sierra
BLIZZARD COME ON
warm lance
Well that sounds familiar
sharp sierra
what rating are you friend
warm lance
I went from 1.9 to 1.7 recently on assa
warped anchor
im always down for bg friends if you're eu
jolly sierra
what why are u losing that much? xdd
warped anchor
ghostpong2161
im playing at 1200 cr on my mage in rogue mage 2s
im trash at it
but its fun
vital void
fat 5-1 to get the sweet sweet tmog yay
warm lance
Ive gone from 1.1k to 1.4k on my Arms from a 20-30% winratio to 50% in a week
I think im doing ok on this one
jolly sierra
fat 5-1 to get the sweet sweet tmog yay
gratz
i just played a lot of 2s
and warriors are thrashing us in every round
arms to be specific
waxen meteor
My Warr alt has gone up 400-ish CR over a week and it just feels like it wont st...
my alt is seeing warrior every game
vital void
we get focus way more this past week , ppl figured out we are ez target
uneven grove
bruh i am 1.9 on assa and arms with my eyes closed, i log on my WW which i have most exp and /played on, i got 2 hit at 1.8k mmr 
i fcking hate this game
jolly sierra
do u have tier w ww pajcsi?
warm lance
I swear WW are supe hard to kill tho
They just port the fuck out
You chase em theyre back there
Oh rolls again
nvm
waxen meteor
that's more healer monk?
sharp sierra
we get focus way more this past week , ppl figured out we are ez target
its kinda lame
sharp sierra
i love playing rogue but i rly dont enjoy dk warrior man handling me
waxen meteor
yeah they both have dobule port i think
but healer one can port while stunned i think
dense thorn
swear 6-0 is harder than CE 😄
first round guy just stood there doing absolutely nothing lol
sharp sierra
lol nice
warm lance
what the fuck is so difficult to people with "kill WW"
This motherfucker just hits the not WW
pallid sierra
there isnt a way to get DTB and AP in a sensible way is there?
dull bridge
define sensible
dense thorn
This motherfucker just hits the _not WW_
guy in this 2s amin ago said 'go war, hard focus war'
then war is on like 10% and hes only attacking the dh
it was his strat and he still couldnt do it
warm lance
guy in this 2s amin ago said 'go war, hard focus war'
Thats how it be most of my games in solo
I had a Venge DH today that called a target
But would only hit the healer themselves
All game
No matter what
dense thorn
yep or dump all cds into evasion
fierce crystal
How many do we think Will get ss r1
dense thorn
is there a weakaura or addon that will make a loud fucking noise when queue pops for solo shuffle if im not actively on wow?
dense thorn
How many do we think Will get ss r1
well at least 1
fierce crystal
Is it possible to see amount of assas
warm lance
I just wanna get my warr out of this shit tier mmr
dull bridge
But would only hit the healer themselves
that was a test to measure your commitment to the zug
you failed
dense thorn
played against a mage in 2s earlier
warm lance
I followed the gameplan
warm lance
Which was hit target X
dull bridge
the zug club has 3 rules
- hit the blue class
- hit the healer
warm lance
Clearly I must consult the Zugods
wicked rampart
How many do we think Will get ss r1
Assuming they keep it at top 0.1%, probably around 10 atm
jaunty mirage
the zug club has 3 rules
1. hit the blue class
2. hit the healer
- hit the priest
sturdy canopy
3. hit the priest
- Blame your healer if you lose
jaunty mirage
4. Blame your healer if you lose
Well it’s certainly not MY fault
warped anchor
frost mage feels good rn with so many melee
sturdy canopy
Frost mage low key always felt good change my mind
warped anchor
glacial pumps
twin burrow
U can't cheese legend anymore by playing a different spec
jolly sierra
just won 5-1 w ww monk and 2set
warm lance
Good times always come to an end
jolly sierra
i fought ret/fury/ele
twin burrow
I got 34 rounds, not a bad start for free
warm lance
I did a few rounds on warr and I couldnt handle the dumb
jolly sierra
just embrace it
sturdy canopy
Swear down warrior mains just keybind every button to their num pad and smash their head against it and still win
jolly sierra
ME WIN
warped anchor
makes me laugh when they miss spear
waxen meteor
yeah spear missing is funny
waxen meteor
sometimes it's hard to find your own healer when playing agains Demo+BM etc..
with like 208435480 summons
jolly sierra
there is an addon to disable minion tabbing
warm lance
I dont try to tab to my healer tho
warped anchor
advanced interface options lets you disable minions
but it does disable psyfiend too
which is the downside
fierce laurel
Good thing step doesn’t have a facing requirement.
waxen meteor
I still don't fully understand demo lock skills
how comes they kinda have a family over there
warped anchor
hand of guldan summons imps
brave yarrow
try that for like 2 solo shuffle games then get back to me
it feels less bursty than the pinned build but it keeps people longer at low life
warped anchor
and they have call felstalkers on a fairly low cd
and the felguard, and the tyrant, and pit lord from nether portal
sharp sierra
is there an addon to change dmg type shown on dots?
waxen meteor
yeah
i remember in tbc/wlk i was able to disarm his summon warrior (or whatever it's called)
now it seems not doable
waxen meteor
yeah
sharp sierra
warped anchor
if you dont have roots for the army its bad time
warped anchor
you did that all today?
sharp sierra
yes
warped anchor
damn son
jolly sierra
dude
waxen meteor
so you did half in one day 
waxen meteor
yeah sometimes it's just not the best day
sharp sierra
i want 1800
waxen meteor
take a rest and go again another day
sharp sierra
fair
waxen meteor
and to be fair i think 1600-1800 is most annoying part
sometimes when you know how/when to defend means you don't fit with other 5 people pace
then you become the bad player
sharp sierra
YES WTF
jolly sierra
u will find hardstuck healers
sharp sierra
and get flamed
jolly sierra
those one will fuck u the rounds
waxen meteor
and in 1600-1800 there are also rounds that are hard healder 6:0
that you can hardly do anything
jolly sierra
for example as rog
waxen meteor
some healers in that range probably come from PvE, they are very good when not trained
but when they are trained they auto die
jolly sierra
today i had a round w a 0-6 healer and a 6-0 healer
cuz the priest was fkn bad
so i won 0 cr
waxen meteor
today i went nut with alt DH and played like 5 full rounds
i got angry with first round ended up with a 2:4
jolly sierra
the alt monk had a crazy performance today
dense kernel
yo guys do anyone know a macro stepkick that doesnt step if target is in range for kick ?
lyric onyx
mmm multitarget shiv go brrrrr
sharp sierra
imagine the sheer skill gap to have 6 wins in 2500
lyric onyx
ngl both rounds i was with the ele they one shot something when i was looking
lyric onyx
still lose to dh and ele in dmg tho
yeah 😦 kinda got carried but my utility was good
sharp sierra
can you share talents?
lyric onyx
BMQAIZzTVWTdeIjpELmb7f1T3ikIJISSJBAAAAAAQCASCAAAAAAgUQCtkIJJJKpkkEJQEJJA
optionally can take 1 point out of elaborate and stick it in internal bleeding/doomblade
twin burrow
Doom blade? U trolling
lyric onyx
more bleeds!
twin burrow
Fine I'm sold
lyric onyx
idk its probably not worth
twin burrow
U have vv too
Internal bleeding a low target with shiv might be nuts.. and that's what we like to do
twin burrow
U miss sbs?
lyric onyx
can do like 60-80k dmg with one internal
yeah not enough points
plus i only used sbs for killing psyfiend xD
twin burrow
U have 4pc?
lyric onyx
yep
twin burrow
Nice, thx for answering my barrage pewpew
lyric onyx
np!
lyric onyx
no improved garrote?
even without this btw my garrotes still tick for about 12-15k crits
because 4 set and zoldyck plus shiv is alot of modifiers for your bleeds
if you really want shrouded (because ngl having garrote only give 1 combo point sucks) you can do this
think its very similar to what Dayv is running and hes higher rated than me
obvs main difference is 2nd one doesnt have aoe shiv
dull bridge
optionally can take 1 point out of elaborate and stick it in internal bleeding/d...
you're missing crimson tempest brother
common mistake
lyric onyx
fuck how could i miss a bleed
lyric onyx
wonder why theyre dropping points to begin with
not like they can carry their friend or something
dull bridge
42-0 challenge 🤪
long roost
sorry?
lyric onyx
never heard of 42-0? 😮
something wowstreamers do alot.. mostly mitchjones
they drop their 2v2 rating reallyyyy low and try to win 42 matches in a row
warped anchor
very cringe
lyric onyx
yeah surprised they get away with it.. people always rightly say its almoooost win trading
all the people they drop mmr against get free wins
then the poor hardstuck 1000cr crew get fucked up
chrome schooner
not having 4set this week seriously sucks
chrome schooner
my main as well
I wanted to push more in shuffle, but I'm kind of afraid
If everyone has 4set and I don't
ugh
waxen meteor
whats the point in that in ss
Only reason I can think of is already elite and try to reach legend achievement fast in another spec?
sharp sierra
3/4 set sucks so much
waxen meteor
not having 4set this week seriously sucks
Totally
sharp sierra
i guess i have to do raids to get the 4 set
waxen meteor
I am at 3/4 and I don’t want to play
lyric onyx
I wanted to push more in shuffle, but I'm kind of afraid
just queue fuck it.. if you can win games without 4 set this week imagine how powerful you'll be next week
chrome schooner
just queue fuck it.. if you can win games without 4 set this week imagine how po...
I did
chrome schooner
but now I'm 50 pts from 3k
warped anchor
i capped every week and only had 2 pieces
long roost
then the poor hardstuck 1000cr crew get fucked up
this is 1800
lyric onyx
ah didnt know you were a god nvm ... ye 3k is beyond my scope
chrome schooner
god is maybe exaggerated :p
waxen meteor
it really feels annoying
Just do rbg this week
warm lance
Equiinox but arent you like top 4 or someshit
long roost
wat
chrome schooner
nah I didn't play the bracket much, I'm actually trying to push it so I can be top at it
lyric onyx
bit of a shit show down here
lyric onyx
eu or na?
warm lance
chrome schooner
eu
lyric onyx
ewyna?
warm lance
Shooting for 0.1?
chrome schooner
Shooting for 0.1?
if I can why not
we'll see when I get closer, maybe then I don't win as easily
lyric onyx
i saw my first balance druid today in shuffle and i forgot what they even did
chrome schooner
likely that I don't, even
warm lance
if I can why not
Hell yeah. My goal is 2.1
lyric onyx
was the rank 3 dru
graceful ravine
23 apparently
im 1 behind u
warm lance
I fucking suck at this game but im trying my best to get this shit
lyric onyx
sittings boring
graceful ravine
ya
lyric onyx
my guy
warm lance
Played since Vanilla... still dreaming of 2.1. How bad can one be
long roost
they fixed the upgrade vendor btw
chrome schooner
well the thing is that I have to play
I only have 66 wins
Out of 100
so I can't even sit
sad times
lyric onyx
shit im still pushing on sub
long roost
meanwhile im here in 1800 gettin healers afking on me
warm lance
Ibe 450 rounds on assa still 1.9 max.
chrome schooner
im #8 on sub
what's the rating for 8 on sub ?
I wanted to try some sub things but haven't yet
graceful ravine
2650 ish
graceful ravine
outlaw top 5 is 2400 lol
lyric onyx
dayv what build you running now btw? still the one you linked last night or you using multi shiv
graceful ravine
same one u posted except with exsang, no ma
lyric onyx
shit found my rival then
spring bough
i literally cant play assassin on my rogue. duelist on outlaw and im getting smoked at like 1600 on sin LOL
lyric onyx
im 12 behind you
lyric onyx
i'll keep your seat warm
gaunt trout
I need to try Outlaw
lyric onyx
then next week you can try take it back
twin burrow
Sounds good
lyric onyx
whats your cr btw?
twin burrow
If only 2400 weapons or mog looked cool
Makes me scared of illusion bring ass
But glad mount bis although I may never get 
2436
lyric onyx
ohh you na?
lyric onyx
ahh im 2604 on eu
twin burrow
Eu better confirmed
lyric onyx
we have more rogues i think
twin burrow
Can we still compete friendly ?
lyric onyx
ofc
twin burrow
Litty
long roost
wait you can use alt specs in solo to farm legend?
lyric onyx
wait you can use alt specs in solo to farm legend?
yep its so cheese
lyric onyx
you can also get 2400 on one spec and farm concentrated primal essence on another
aww did they fix?
spring bough
you can also get 2400 on one spec and farm concentrated primal essence on anothe...
that is lit if thats still true
twin burrow
Not enough capitalized and it's early so it won't be a bad title
long roost
so my clown tanking his rating earlier had no forseeable reason
lyric onyx
that is lit if thats still true
well if they fixed legend farming maybe not anymore... but so far i farmed 7 as sub on my way to 2100 even tho theyre meant to be 2400 above
but this was all last week
spring bough
sub decent for pvp right now or nah
twin burrow
As of yesterday it's fixed
spring bough
im such crap as assassin might as well try sub lol
twin burrow
Im happy and sad. Happy I have to earn it legit but sad my sub solo in over now lol.. wanted to learn and climb for fun while I sat rank
lyric onyx
exsang with zoldyck has gotta be some huge numbers coming at you fast
twin burrow
It's easy to get
steel linden
think im a believer in exsang now
Do you hold until defensives are gone and use it as a "f u die" button?
graceful ravine
yea pretty much
steel linden
exsang with zoldyck has gotta be some huge numbers coming at you fast
I am definitely trying this build once I'm home
long roost
"your bleed affects"
twin burrow
Sbs
long roost
so id guess everything that classes as a bleed
lyric onyx
fuck dayv go on link the build ill drink the kool aid
long roost
wait
graceful ravine
https://streamable.com/moqjcw look how fast this dh died 100-0
lyric onyx
i dont like exsang but im curious
lyric onyx
is it literally like you said.. my one but with exsang instead ma?
twin burrow
The execute range is insane
graceful ravine
also testing kingsbane but u dont have to pick that
twin burrow
I think KB will work it's way to being meta
Yeah I'm gonna smoke some pot and hop on
spring bough
is KB still pumping mad damage
twin burrow
If u get zoldyks
long roost
you did get a doublecrit at the end there
lyric onyx
lmao it hits 100k dps on training dummy
twin burrow
From the rogue tree talent giving it 10 percent more
Dummy is in execute range always remember
white star
is the new pvp illusion not in yet or can we just not get it in solo shuffle?
lyric onyx
dont think its in
twin burrow
Its upcoming
lyric onyx
patch notes lied
steel linden
https://streamable.com/moqjcw look how fast this dh died 100-0
Yo wut
twin burrow
They were in the notes?
steel linden
@graceful ravine Okay I'm interested
twin burrow
No ap
long roost
still mine crit for 16k
warped anchor
yep
twin burrow
Whereas sectec from
warped anchor
i'd be very surprised if assa isn't nerfed next patch
lyric onyx
i always called sectec shadow clone jutsu when it released
twin burrow
It's a ninja bro..
twin burrow
Shuriken Toss and throw yeah
lyric onyx
im extra dumb
warped anchor
hopefully they give some damage back to envenom/builders if they nerf bleeds
twin burrow
At least ur technically a 90s baby
graceful ravine
garrote was never nerfed 😉
warped anchor
assa wont be so toxic then
graceful ravine
if you know you know...
twin burrow
Stop idk and now I want
dull bridge
hopefully they give some damage back to envenom/builders if they nerf bleeds
envenom isn't even worth casting it's crazy
twin burrow
For the buff lul
warped anchor
well its worth but you dont use it much because you always are putting bleeds up
and kidney
dull bridge
so my poisons can do %8 damage instead of %7? lol
twin burrow
I was getting 80k envenoms 5cp amp
warped anchor
you just put garrotte/rupture on the healer and they lose half thier hp and are slowed by 60%
fun gameplay for a healer trust me
twin burrow
Idk 3 7 point envenoms in like 6 globals feels good with er
dull bridge
yeah amp deathmark fully stacked sure
twin burrow
Rydel this is why people are going full bleed spec now
dull bridge
idk doesn't feel super good but nothing else to do after putting bleeds up lol
long roost
does rupture damage scale with cp or just duration?>
twin burrow
It's obvi worth casting but I see how it's lame
long roost
im having a moment here
warped anchor
mutilate tickles
long roost
brains like gone
warped anchor
rupture just increases duration
twin burrow
But sub u get 180k evis and 270k sectec so
graceful ravine
i can see a case for kingsbane in shuffle if you got a warrior/dk on your team for grip/spear
vs a poor caster that cant get away
and warriors got MS anyways so wound isnt as impactful
warped anchor
sad warlock noises
twin burrow
Wound still procs DM tho, or do I need to get it to 5 stacks first
long roost
another question. do the 2 extra stacks of wound poision do much in pvp ornot? i dont see many people take that talent
dull bridge
mandatory if you're not playing with someone with heal reduction
long roost
ok
spring bough
think i just hit 200k dps on target dummy after popping KB trying this sin stuff out ended at 165k after getting in this arena lol
1 cast 549k dmg LOL
crit for 175k
silent umbra
Anyone know if war mode PvP vendor is working again?
long roost
upgrader is working yes
silent umbra
Really? I thought it was just removed until the hot fix came in. Does it work the same way? Eg trophies of strife + blue item
Is there a blue post on this?
spring bough
im finally reading sub talents this xpack and it seems loaded. i wish outlaw had invigorating shadowdust lol
long roost
it wasnt working earlier
i looked like 25 minutes ago and it showed me the upgrade properly
unborn portal
another question. do the 2 extra stacks of wound poision do much in pvp ornot? i...
Always run it
Unless you do coordinated 3’s ig but still just better to have on
inner trellis
Should i make the switch from +242 haste/+422 vers chest to my tier chest to finish 2 tier bonus
so from +242 haste/+422 vers chest to +190 crit/+474 mastery chest and finish tier 2 bonus, should i do it?
steel linden
You collected:
Leave Match (2m)
I'm fucking dying lol
unborn portal
Should i make the switch from +242 haste/+422 vers chest to my tier chest to fin...
Yes
Use 2 pc tier
steel linden
so from +242 haste/+422 vers chest to +190 crit/+474 mastery chest and finish ti...
Personally I did this for 2 set, but I'm unsure if it was worth it
2 pc felt like a decent damage increase though for like no significant loss in survivability
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste=/=Crit
Outlaw: Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery
idle patrol
why would you use wound poison if you have the pvp talent that gives shiv reduced healing?
unborn portal
why would you use wound poison if you have the pvp talent that gives shiv reduce...
Cool down on shiv
No cool down on always poison
steel linden
why would you use wound poison if you have the pvp talent that gives shiv reduce...
Less healing all the time, is always good
unborn portal
^
graceful ravine
ANOTHER ONE LETS GOOO
icy canyon
whats some tips for surviving solo shuffle as sin?
unborn portal
Dayv huge
unborn portal
whats some tips for surviving solo shuffle as sin?
Learning when to actually press defensive vs panicking
sharp sierra
can kingsbane be viable?
unborn portal
so wound poison a must.. what others poisons as ass?
Mind numbing, crippling, wound, deadly
tawny kestrel
can kingsbane be viable?
no
idle patrol
amp poison bad?
steel linden
ANOTHER ONE LETS GOOO
Excuse me what the fuck.
Then ya have me here going 4-2 at 1500
unborn portal
amp poison bad?
We don’t take
Not bad just doesn’t stack high enough to be worth in pvp
silent umbra
I need a live stream of dayv haha. I’ve sucked ass since swapping from sub to sin. Get trained immediately every round
sharp sierra
steel linden
I would absolutely love some more Shadenox style coaching content
sharp sierra
PRAY FOR 1800
steel linden
PRAY FOR 1800
🫡
idle field
ANOTHER ONE LETS GOOO
Davy out here doing his best to get us nerfed
icy canyon
Learning when to actually press defensive vs panicking
any advice on that?
silent umbra
Agreed kalrik. Do you guys mes arena cds? Or audio cues that help with reaction/defensive?
jolly sierra
so now dayv is our mvp?
graceful ravine
im just lucky to get 4 pc before anyone else
also need good rng for lobbies
ferals melt like butter
arms is so much harder to fight vs
fading blade
Davy out here doing his best to get us nerfed
I'd say it's just people not used to good pressure and tend to panic along with the healer. Yeah AOE shiv is good, but that's if they stack, which you'd think people would you know, not stack.
fading blade
Warriors are insane
silent umbra
Is your 4pc all PvP set as well? Just got 4pc today , but 2/4 are pve
boreal basin
any tips for fighting locks if its left to a 1v1? i feel like they can just stand there and kill me
jolly sierra
dot up kidney and run away if u are assa
idle field
I'd say it's just people not used to good pressure and tend to panic along with ...
yeah but dude is out here 6-0'ing the 2800 bracket consistently lol
sturdy canopy
I found locks kinda just die in 1v1s for the most part as long as you have cds
fading blade
yeah but dude is out here 6-0'ing the 2800 bracket consistently lol
Doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. People are good at their classes compared to others
graceful ravine
whoa did u guys know u can pandemic rupture up to 42 seconds
thats sick for exsang
boreal basin
i feel like i often pull my big cds in the opener
sturdy canopy
As long as you have cos and vanish you'll win, just wait out your CDs, destroy the locks shield, kidney, shiv dm
Badabing badaboom nay more lock
boreal basin
do have to admit im shooting myself in the foot by playing panda
but free gouge right... surely right...
sturdy canopy
Nah encap goated
boreal basin
B) ty
for the encouragement
did a lot of stuff change tree wise for assa since today, i only started playing it 2 days ago so not knowledgeable enough abt the whole tree
sturdy canopy
i play panda
Do you play a female one by any chance?
boreal basin
the kick feels very fun
boreal basin
Do you play a female one by any chance?
nah
jolly sierra
Do you play a female one by any chance?
yes why
boreal basin
im a big ol round fella
fading blade
yeah but dude is out here 6-0'ing the 2800 bracket consistently lol
dont get me wrong, yeah sin is strong, but at that rating people have more game knowledge of kill windows and such. Not just a 1 man army, but the pressure is def prime atm, until you face warriors, dwarfs, evokers and shit
sturdy canopy
yes why
Would never have guessed
Sin at 1800+ rating where your teamates arnt brain-dead> sin at 1200 rating
jolly sierra
i reached 1800 w panda at week 2
fading blade
You're gonna have people crying about sin because of cdew and people, but theyre also trying to change the meta for themselves too lol
jolly sierra
but dropped after week 3 w tier
idle field
dont get me wrong, yeah sin is strong, but at that rating people have more game ...
Not calling for nerfs, I main rogue too lol. Was just banter really, but wouldn't be surprised (if 6-0 sweeps become a sin rogue trend in SS) people start pointing some fingers at us
sturdy canopy
You're gonna have people crying about sin because of cdew and people, but theyre...
Rouges could be the worst spec to exist and people would still cry about them tbf 😂
steel linden
Is your 4pc all PvP set as well? Just got 4pc today , but 2/4 are pve
I have 3/4 pve tier, but one piece is 408 and one is 411 (M+ upgraded)
jolly sierra
seriously thinking in running KB against kill target dwarves and pevoker
steel linden
So I'm still at 30% vers and 421 ilvl with 4 piece @silent umbra
jolly sierra
deathmark is fkn painted
fading blade
Rouges could be the worst spec to exist and people would still cry about them tb...
facts. @idle field nah i get ya , i just think it's more than just rogue, but ya if people see 6-0s theyll call for nerfs, but they arent in the game to see who is really getting the W's and set ups
steel linden
seriously thinking in running KB against kill target dwarves and pevoker
Dwarves can just purge KB or do you mean because it's a 1 min CD to kill them on second go?
idle field
facts. <@446867771704344576> nah i get ya , i just think it's more than just rog...
Been hearing a number of big streamers calling out sin's damage w the 4 piece right now too, hope I'm wrong but remember this comment 2 weeks from now if the patch notes piss us off lol
fading blade
Streamers bitch if they lose all the time
sturdy canopy
If they're nerfing sin they better be nerfing wars too smh
fading blade
But will abuse everything they can, like trill 1 shotting with evoker
sturdy canopy
Streams b like "I didn't 6-0 you your class is op"
fading blade
or mes using his warrior and 1 shotting
sturdy canopy
But will abuse everything they can, like trill 1 shotting with evoker
Venruki type beat
idle field
Just worried with the early attention it's getting is all. I'd like a few weeks to play with it at least
fading blade
If it doesn't benefit the streamer its "nerf nerf nerf" they just cant stand getting fkin rolled
idle field
Feeling almost as good as the first few weeks before the secret tech & DM nerfs
steel linden
From all the high level gameplay I've watched, sin damage is just as high as anything else. I don't see how people could find it any more oppressive than the burst classes.
Maybe I'm dumb
fading blade
They'll look at Pika and say nerf rogues, but forget this dude has been playing rogue since he installed the game and knows all the in and outs
sturdy canopy
Feeling almost as good as the first few weeks before the secret tech & DM nerfs
Kinda feels like the pre garrote nerfs rn tbf
jolly sierra
Dwarves can just purge KB or do you mean because it's a 1 min CD to kill them on...
are u sure? is not classified as poison