yea they legit just dropped the ball
#off-topic
peak solar
raw python
peak solar
shouldn't take 6 years for a balance patch shouldn't take 4 years for a hero
is it on now?
livid socket
yea i kinda hoped OW2 would be like going from CS: Source to CS:GO
tropic skiff
@livid socket
livid socket
<@225901409994801155>
how is every insanely talented artist from england it doesnt make sense
elder patrol
yea i kinda hoped OW2 would be like going from CS: Source to CS:GO
have you played ow2?
livid socket
have you played ow2?
no
tropic skiff
how is every insanely talented artist from england it doesnt make sense
yeah if UK got something it is for sure good music
tall gull
and actors
livid socket
english people are either oi bruv 3Heads or literally the reincarnation of Mozart
tropic skiff
england is forgiven for their sins cuz they got King Crimson
aka the most goated rock band of all time no contest
from 69 to 81 all hits no misses
seriously like how do u come up with this
hasty nova
Drugs.
tropic skiff
robert fripp is simply goated
my fav guitarist for sure
@livid socket like idk if they ever mentioned it but this and the entire sounds a lot like it inspired black midi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOrYTBaT1z0&list=PLXhfRoiJBIitwly9g1nmx6mWt7yqrG4A8&index=5
tropic skiff
cant listen cuz im at work <:Sadge:737983172419125259>
check out the whole album if u can it's one of my all time fav
hot crystal
Ive listened to in the hall of the crimson king
tropic skiff
in the hall of the crimson king
tropic skiff
Ive listened to in the hall of the crimson king
my top 3 is
Red
Discipline
In The Court Of The Crimson King
hot crystal
Bro ong walter white be dressing like my dad when he goes to work
tropic skiff
💀
hot crystal
Just identified it
tropic skiff
bro walter white early on was peak suburban dad aesthetic
livid socket
hot crystal
I dress like jesse 
hot crystal
Jesse but with shorts
tropic skiff
https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494641
crazy what shaving did do this guy's drip
hot crystal
I got the legs for it 💅
elder patrol
!pf
hollow ravenBOT
merry orbit
elder patrol
livid socket
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/05/todays-intended-wordle-solution-pushed-to-2027-due-to-major-recent-news-event/ heavy spoilers for 2027
brazen eagle
not sure if the wordle hype holds that long
livid socket
id be very shocked 
ashen ravine
livid socket
but the difference is that those are actual games and not just little riddles
livid socket
where
brazen eagle
didn't know that pokemon go is a filtered word
ashen ravine
brazen eagle
tbh, it atm feels like that wow has quite a decline in players
ashen ravine
It do be like that
peak solar
yea the games just had horrible practices for
the last few xpacs so
it's not super suprising
brazen eagle
i haven't rly gathered data on it, but i might do at some point
livid socket
tropic skiff
Sunbathing
peak solar
literally just being saved by art, the game has a decent shell (gameplaywise), and raids
elder patrol
pokemon go to the polls
peak solar
that's a lot of drones
tropic skiff
These just look like pigeons in paris
livid socket
they are very cute
brazen eagle
literally just being saved by art, the game has a decent shell (gameplaywise), a...
i do think the game art looks dated
peak solar
for the most part yea
brazen eagle
sry for everyone who loves the "wow look"
peak solar
but the new zones are generally fairly nice
ashen ravine
There is a casual Community I Play with on FR SA, you dont find any random people at all anymore. Those days were questionable at any xpac time but now you really feel that the majority of casuals even go WED SUN
brazen eagle
and the "showcase" for dragonflight kind of... idk
peak solar
lmao
brazen eagle
^ does this image look modern?
peak solar
looks meh af
livid socket
and the "showcase" for dragonflight kind of... idk
looks like every zone in wow ever
peak solar
but it's really just that
hot crystal
i mean tbh it could still get updated to an extent and it could look better in game but yeah
brazen eagle
and i was like... nice
livid socket
i dont care how the zones look
worthy bane
I turn down most settings anyway
ashen ravine
Is this running on a rtx950 Low settings
worthy bane
except water, I hate the low detail water
hot crystal
i feel like most mmos cant even get combat to feel as good as wow
peak solar
final fantasy is prob closest thing even tho that's pretty diff
peak solar
yea
hot crystal
or one dimensional
peak solar
that's literally wows saving grace
cuz their design practice / business practices are fucking awful
hot crystal
wow has classes with issues and whatever but the core combat loop is insanely good
peak solar
and blatant af for the player to see
brazen eagle
i mean, just for reference
hot crystal
design practice is like at the bottom of the valley and we have to see if its going up a hill or a mountain
hope its everest 
brazen eagle
games released in 2005-2008 had better graphical fidelity
hot crystal
yeah hopefully dragonflight beta goes well
peak solar
giving the players kind of what they want at the end of an xpac
and i'm just tired of it
hot crystal
beta is their test
burnt dock
Well yeah, the games in 2005 were not MMOs. Guild Wars 2 looked dated as fuck on release too.
peak solar
it's like wow is only a game on the final patch of an xpac
and you better hope you like that patch
livid socket
i think the new talent system has the oportunity to fix a lot of problems with specs
thats what im hoping for
peak solar
otherwise gg go next in 2 years
hot crystal
@livid socket walt was mean to jesse in this episode 
livid socket
<@225901409994801155> walt was mean to jesse in this episode <:besad:50726680943...
its gonna happen all the time 
brazen eagle
the talent change has a lot of potential to fix class/spec problems
hot crystal
ill be back in 40 mins to say it again
brazen eagle
remove some of the insane power creep some classes gathered over the years
livid socket
he treats jesse like a 5 year old dumb kid
brazen eagle
i don't mind old graphics flower
ashen ravine
WoW Always had the comic-ish Art Style, why would you make it more realistic?
tropic skiff
<@225901409994801155> walt was mean to jesse in this episode <:besad:50726680943...
Literally all episodes of breaking bad
hot crystal
yeah that was the joke
peak solar
he be going in on dude
brazen eagle
in fact some rly good games i would suggest you to play are even with pixel graphics that is even older than that
brazen eagle
chrono trigger for example, rly nice rpg if you are into rpgs
i don't think graphics matters to the highest degree
burnt dock
tropic skiff
chrono trigger for example, rly nice rpg if you are into rpgs
Chrono trigger is so good
burnt dock
Seems like an ice cold take
tropic skiff
i wish more rpg did the chrono trigger battle system
brazen eagle
i did see a lot of praise for the game
livid socket
pokemon arceus would have been not very successful if it wasn't pokemon
that is not a hot take at all
tropic skiff
seamless transition from exploration to fighting it's so good
brazen eagle
fair
ashen ravine
Just Play eldenring and imagine you are Killing murlocs
burnt dock
The game seems fine but it wouldn't have sold 10m copies
brazen eagle
still, i think wow for being modern and porting new graphics pipelines/etc to the game and evolving
still is stuck graphical
livid socket
i dont think wow could drastically change the graphics without releasing WoW2
tropic skiff
i think game should stop focusing and graphics and focus more on art direction
brazen eagle
i dont think wow could drastically change the graphics without releasing WoW2
i am unsure tbh
tropic skiff
i dont think wow could drastically change the graphics without releasing WoW2
they cant pretty sure they did the best they could with their old ass engine
idk i think wow looks good man
livid socket
yea same
peak solar
well a lot of people want them to move to like
tropic skiff
like u go to mop zone
peak solar
unreal engine
livid socket
if wow looked realistic it would be worse
tropic skiff
and wow is a lot smoother to play than tons of other more modern mmo
burnt dock
Botw would've looked quite nice if it wasn't stuck on a switch at 800p and occasionally hit 30 fps
brazen eagle
mop had a very good art team
peak solar
but same i prefer the
brazen eagle
ngl
peak solar
cartoony style
brazen eagle
i don't think they should change their art style
peak solar
i'm tryna shadowstrike mf's
tropic skiff
wow art style is one of it's strong point
brazen eagle
to go for realism
but i think riot did show that you can have graphics that runs well on older systems
brazen eagle
that still is way more polished than wow
peak solar
keep the style but update it
tropic skiff
none of my complaint on wow are graphical
livid socket
yea dont make them waste resources on graphics
brazen eagle
peak solar
yea i generally like wow graphics
brazen eagle
i mean yes
to a degree, they changed it
but wow is still stuck in the league pre-update aera
peak solar
i mean old league was
trash af compared to new graphics
literally not even same game
they do be going overboard with some of the skins tho
can't even tell what's what sometimes now lol
brazen eagle
i don't know
tawny glen
wow realistic would blow ass
The unreal engine videos make the wow zones look generic af
hasty nova
I wonder why
brazen eagle
in terms of graphical fidelity
hasty nova
burnt dock
Almost like it was ripped from wc3 lol
ashen ravine
burnt dock
Weird
tawny glen
Imagine trying to make ardenweald or revendreth more realistic
hasty nova
Mmmm
tawny glen
It did retain the cartoon style tho
worthy bane
riot propaganda
brazen eagle
like both league/valorant do have a higher polish to the game/art
while beeing similar in poly counts
haha true kojack
hasty nova
And they can highly polish my balls
brazen eagle
maybe i criticize something not a lot of ppl care about
hasty nova
It's just a weird space when you risk losing parts of the charm of the art just to increase the fidelity
peak solar
yea
ashen ravine
Well League doesnt have 99999999 Files to update
hasty nova
It's typically not a good idea when what you are going from is beloved
tropic skiff
if they add more cheeks like they did to ow2
peak solar
i'd much prefer they just stop being such gigantic cucks with the game
tropic skiff
brazen eagle
Well League doesnt have 99999999 Files to update
that is correct
hasty nova
tropic skiff
Twitter
hasty nova
Good for him
ashen ravine
lol
umbral whale
Just curious what you meant by thisn
peak solar
wows business / design practices is trash
brazen eagle
hard to say
peak solar
games fun they just cuck with dumb shit so you so you don't get to play it or have to do a bunch of dumb shit to play it
brazen eagle
they did a lot of good decisions
brazen eagle
e.g. doing the 6 month sub rewards do make their profits stay fairly stable
so thats a very good thing
hasty nova
...
fast tree
Flying first patch next expansion tho
peak solar
regardless of how happy investors are
fast tree
:PauseChamp:
hasty nova
...
tawny glen
9.0 felt pretty finished as a patch tho
peak solar
nah
tawny glen
Just took too long till 9.1.
hasty nova
Yeah but 2020.
peak solar
lots of classes got completely denied a lot of shit they were promised
or got trash ass abilities
balance was fucked until .5
late quest
if they add more cheeks like they did to ow2
As long as they have an audible sound of clapping as I walk
fast tree
I enjoyed running around in the maw and doing it on 3 characters
peak solar
not to mention all the feedback about covenants / conduits / soulbinds etc
they straight up just ignored
fast tree
:_)
umbral whale
balance was fucked until .5
Balance is and always will be fucked in wow
elder patrol
fuckin stares in your soul in menu
umbral whale
Unfortunately that's just the nature of a game with however many specs
tawny glen
There was a huge crowd for covenant separation tho
hasty nova
not to mention all the feedback about covenants / conduits / soulbinds etc
When the feedback is shit why should they listen?
umbral whale
And all the different set bonuses trinkets leggos ect.
peak solar
i mean there's lots of obvious gameplay shit
tawny glen
This was not the case ot the entire community rallying against covenants
peak solar
like swapping covenants, being able to use conduits without restriction, target caps etc
that are just fucking awful for the fun of the game
and they just put it in so they can go
oh shit we removed all the bad last patch fun lets gooooo
tawny glen
But then again ppl who I know where for covenants quit one month after expansion launch so
peak solar
i mean it's not fun for the player
hasty nova
Seemed fun enough for all those idiots to keep playing
peak solar
to put in barriers and restrictions and bullshit
hasty nova
And they must be idiots considering they're still playing something that's supposedly so bad
hasty nova
Then you're not they Good job
brazen eagle
not everything blizz does is bad
brazen eagle
else they wouldn't keep their core players active
umbral whale
it's been the same for the last 2 xpacs
3 actually
brazen eagle
also there is the social aspect to the game, a lot of ppl play wow reguardless of its state
hasty nova
Six probably
livid socket
i have to admit i loved bfa
peak solar
i didn't play the beginning of legion so i can't comment
umbral whale
This design philosophy began in legion
peak solar
but i hated the beginning of bfa
brazen eagle
legion was rly nice because it had a lot of content
peak solar
made me quit the game
brazen eagle
14 dungeons, frequent raid, a lot of optional content
peak solar
didn't come back until nya
umbral whale
They seem to be moving away from it
peak solar
yea i loved legion
literally nonstop content
every dungeon was fun
just good designed gameplay
peak solar
the end
hasty nova
...
peak solar
the only part i played
tawny glen
Legion did have it's flaws that were obvious from the beta tho
umbral whale
legion was rly nice because it had a lot of content
As far as I gather legion was hated until the end when they finally flipped on the restrictive stuff.
Again I didnt play so I'm only going off of hearsay
hasty nova
I like how liking 50% of something means that you'd liked the entire product
sour crow
no need for personal attacks
peak solar
cuz i only played the last half lol
hasty nova
Hey I played all of legion
umbral whale
I dislike that DF is only going to have 4 M+ dungeons to start
hasty nova
Lol
umbral whale
I feel like we are going backwards
umbral whale
No retrog
peak solar
and i think the dungeons suffered immensely because of it
sour crow
4 new 4 old
tawny glen
It's 4 df dungeons+ 4 older dungeons
umbral whale
And then 4 older
hasty nova
4 + 4 sounds like 8
umbral whale
I dont count older dungeons as new
hasty nova
Can we get like a math magician on this
peak solar
so hopefully without that we'll get 4 really good ones
tawny glen
Df will launch with 8 expansion dungeons tho
umbral whale
8 dungeons + 4 old would be better
sour crow
nice capitalist pigs math miz
hasty nova
I try my best
umbral whale
Df will launch with 8 expansion dungeons tho
Yes I know
But only 4 of them will be keys
To start
tawny glen
That's fine, other 4 will be keys in s2
umbral whale
Why not have 8 then and then add the 4 older dungeons
tawny glen
Should be interesting with itemisation varying each season
sour crow
beats pf jail start of wvery season tbh
tawny glen
Why not have 8 then and then add the 4 older dungeons
I think rotating df dungeons is fine so I don't need to run the same df dungeon all seasons for a trinket or weapon
elder patrol
tawny glen
Like plaguefall in shadowlands
elder patrol
prolly gonna do PF in DF anyway
tawny glen
They said no sl dungeons
elder patrol
oh right
tawny glen
Since those are too recent
elder patrol
forgor
sour crow
only on sl timewalking
sour crow
then u dont get the trinket but u wasted 50hrs anyway
tawny glen
That's the way it goes sometimes
worthy bane
only on sl timewalking
SL timewalking comes later in 11.0
sour crow
it would be fine... if cos disnt banish after a week
i am still salty about my stupid ring
worthy bane
does it even matter?
sour crow
i hope they are halved and baked into base scaling
worthy bane
either way it's funny how this epxac tyranical is easier
sour crow
and get rid of shit like necrotic, bolstering and inspired
tawny glen
Yeah idc about tyran or fort when doing weekly keys
tawny glen
Maybe pushing super high keys sure
umbral whale
that's kind of the problem with M+ so many of the affixes are just unfun to deal with
livid socket
i hate tyran
@waxen latch
elder patrol
I pref tyrann
peak solar
dungeon bosses are pretty 1 dimensional
and hitting them for 3-4 minutes
is pretty boring
worthy bane
not cuz of difficulty but
what difficulty when it's easier than fortified?
peak solar
fair
iuno
the whole point of M+ is to do crazy routes fun pulls and big aoe dam to me
not 3+ minute patchwerk fights
late quest
the whole point of M+ is to do crazy routes fun pulls and big aoe dam to me
That’s kinda why I like higher tyrannical cause you really just pull everything and not worry as much about mob mechanics as opposed to fort
elder patrol
I do m+ for gear
peak solar
the big crazy pulls are the fun part tho
hasty nova
<@84381524421525504>
Illegal.
peak solar
i actually liked how they implemented the pillar bosses in bfa season 4 spawning on the boss
umbral whale
that's another thing. Fuck these mechanics on the mobs. Get rid of all these shit packs where you need 7000 kicks
peak solar
doing last boss underrot with fear + slime
peak solar
or spider + slime with kings rest last boss
hasty nova
Took me a second to realize who it is
Yeeeaaahhhhhhhh
peak solar
shit was actually decently challenging for the beginning bit
torn mural
hasty nova
All I got was I needed to add more kicks
peak solar
kicks are w/e
the dumb mechanics are the ones that prevent you from pulling mobs or combining pulls
late quest
the dumb mechanics are the ones that prevent you from pulling mobs or combining ...
Inspiring 
peak solar
yea
or mobs where you legit can't pull them
because it's just extremely inefficient or they just blatantly wipe you
hasty nova
Noted, no more mechanics just let them pull the entire dungeon and aoe it down behind a pillow
Or a pillar
peak solar
mechanics are fine
hasty nova
To what arbitrary level are they fine
peak solar
just not ones that heavily limit routes or pull sizes
hasty nova
Riiight
peak solar
the whole point of M+ is crazy big pulls fun routes and big aoe dam
if i wanted to jack off 3-5 mobs x23 to finish a dungeon well i wouldn't cuz that's lame
hasty nova
I don't think that that is the case
Anytime someone says, it's as simple as, or, the whole point, they're likely wrong.
livid socket
the whole point of M+ is crazy big pulls fun routes and big aoe dam
i mean thats ur opinion
tawny glen
I don't think I'd enjoy m+ being purely big pulls into mass aoe
peak solar
fair
i loved legion M+
almost every single dungeon
keys just worse now
straight up worse
livid socket
i liked stuff like very tight damage and healing checks on bosses and shit
like the witch triad in WCM was always a butt clencher
sour crow
variety is the spice of life, dungeons should have aoe clownfiesta and mini cleave pulls mini bosses etc
peak solar
yea that boss wasn't bad
tawny glen
I think current m+ has a nice compromise with taza gambit having the murloc area, dos having ardenweald, and hoa trash before first boss being big pull things
peak solar
nah
current M+ is god awful comparitively
there's not a single dungeon in the game that's like damn i would enjoy going in there
livid socket
variety is the spice of life, dungeons should have aoe clownfiesta and mini clea...
i think wcm was kinda perfect for that
sour crow
i'd say only nectrotic wake and the portals wing in theatre are awful. rest are nice to good
peak solar
bfa had some annoying stuff but the keys were decent
livid socket
different routes every time, some big pulls of smallies, some really hard boss fights, some really easy boss fights
peak solar
SL keys are fucking zzzzzzzzzzz
sour crow
i think wcm was kinda perfect for that
WCM was a banger, still have no clue what witches do i just jump and dps
livid socket
WCM was a banger, still have no clue what witches do i just jump and dps
the boss u mean?
sour crow
yea
brazen eagle
i think legion m+ is great
but i also think that legion m+ had its shortcomings in design
livid socket
yea the first of the three witches had a debuff that caused u to take more and more damage if you didnt move (or jump)
brazen eagle
e.g. a lot of bosses would just oneshot you
shell sparrow
the only thing I recall about legion m+ is mos ap runs
sour crow
i think legion m+ is great
I think legion m+ will always be looked on fondly cos m+ as a whole was new and everyone was liking it
sour crow
but there was some banging dungeons and some absolute garbage in legion
livid socket
bfa m+ was so good i swear
peak solar
it was decent
livid socket
i didnt play legion, but bfa was great
brazen eagle
they had a lot of experimentation and fun stuff
brazen eagle
that modern dungeons barely have
brazen eagle
bfa m+ was okay
livid socket
even kings rest was fun
brazen eagle
but i think that is interessting
elder patrol
legion dungs were good cause they werent made for shit mdi
brazen eagle
i think somone who started out in bfa would judge m+ in bfa diffrently
just like somone who started out in sl would compared to bfa/legion
peak solar
legion dungs were good cause they werent made for shit mdi
i also think they make dungeons now trying to force certain shit like target caps
and it failed hard in SL
hot crystal
i dont think trash mechanics are bad but i do think overloading them with one type of mechanic is ass, like there should be like a "mechanic" per pack and it should only really get difficult when you have multiple packs coming together instead of it being individual packs that suck that you then pull with another pack that sucks
elder patrol
comp wow is dogshit apart from arena, my hot take
livid socket
arena is dogshit
sour crow
comp wow is dogshit apart from arena, my hot take
its a hot take cos u said apart from
hot crystal
why dont they do competitive rbgs 
sour crow
all of it is dogshit
soft pendant
How does anyone know what’s going on in arena
elder patrol
fair
umbral whale
comp wow is dogshit apart from arena, my hot take
that is a cold as ice take
hasty nova
Pet battles are the only competitive arena I care about
hot crystal
based
elder patrol
that is a cold as ice take
not here
hot crystal
when you say comp wow do you mean rwf and mdi
peak solar
How does anyone know what’s going on in arena
honestly this
elder patrol
ye ag
hot crystal
or do you include live key pushing and mythic raiding
peak solar
without a perfectly set up ui with addons telling you exactly what's going on
arenas just impossible to follow lol
shell sparrow
How does anyone know what’s going on in arena
casters I guess
livid socket
wow is just a trash game for watching
umbral whale
when you say comp wow do you mean rwf and mdi
mdi arena
hot crystal
all the arena players have dogshit ui esra
shell sparrow
I tried to watch wow pvp tourneys, impossibru
sour crow
How does anyone know what’s going on in arena
tbf arena casters usually have a clue whats going on so u can understand somethings... mdi casters tho
hot crystal
pvp isnt that bad its just like go reset go
livid socket
like in csgo you see when the player flicks his crosshead on the dude and shoots and you can pog
in wow you cant tell how well the player is pressing his 10 button rotation
shell sparrow
but then again I don't really enjoy watching cooldowns trade game
soft pendant
hot crystal
its definitely true that its a cd trade game tho
peak solar
all the arena players have dogshit ui esra
honestly true iuno how they play
hot crystal
theyve played forever
hot crystal
they just memorize opener and are good at knowing what to do when
the only addons they have are like cd trackers
elder patrol
gotta know all specs n shit
hot crystal
honestly
a lot of them would support removing cd trackers n shit
a lot of them think thats a huge part of skill in pvp
elder patrol
it def is
hot crystal
that addons are ruining their pillar
peak solar
oh it def is
like
me playing blind ui
and watching the other rogue in my guild in arenas
is not even the same game
he has a plater that just tracks everything
cd's defensives etc
and then add wa's on top of that
serene crescent
elder patrol
the burst dmg can be absurd also
hot crystal
i think most pvpers just have WAs and like omnicc and then some pvp related addons like gladius or whatever and thats it
and we have like
so many
plater was dbm/bigwigs
then
one WA per boss
peak solar
i see a lot of them with trackers tho
hot crystal
and a ton of people use elvui
peak solar
of defensives / kicks etc
so like enemy kicks
it tracks it
oh it's off cd
better start jebaiting
brazen eagle
in wow you cant tell how well the player is pressing his 10 button rotation
thats true
brazen eagle
i think wow has no easy measurement of skill
peak solar
xd
hot crystal
easiest way to tell if someones good is to play with them
brazen eagle
to go back to the legion discussion, i think every xpac so far had for me at least a lesson learned
shell sparrow
you say it like most games have easy way of displaying skill
peak solar
yea
peak solar
but like visually
brazen eagle
legion did showcase just how much the entire playerbase cares about parses
worthy bane
titles showcase skills in wow
brazen eagle
we had in this discord people who did get bis legendary early on and got with them into higher wrs
livid socket
games that are good for watching usually make it very easy to see the impressive/important stuff going on
elder patrol
mount collection is biggest dick
brazen eagle
and a lot of them did tell others that only skill matters
peak solar
yea
shell sparrow
rank isn't how you as a viewer can at a glance say if it was a good/bad play
livid socket
if you watch RWF you wont even notice a paladin throwing a clutch BOP or something like that
brazen eagle
a lot of those did come back later in the xpac and asked why they only green/blue parse
livid socket
like watching wow you can barely tell whats going on
shell sparrow
you can't really tell that in mobas as well for example unless you've played it for a while
hot crystal
mount collection is biggest dick
asmongold
brazen eagle
so just at the point legendary powers did lose their impact as everyone did get most/all of them
worthy bane
asmongold <:starege:923197272064426075>
he's not even close
peak solar
mobas casters are usually really good tho
livid socket
idk like in league you can see someone hitting a crazy skill shot or getting a penta kill etc
peak solar
yea
brazen eagle
games that are good for watching usually make it very easy to see the impressive...
riot games makes that very good
peak solar
you might not know what every ability necessarily does in league but
hot crystal
idk like in league you can see someone hitting a crazy skill shot or getting a p...
pray arrow 
shell sparrow
idk like in league you can see someone hitting a crazy skill shot or getting a p...
you are familiar with those concepts already
brazen eagle
all of the riot games are nice for the viewer
livid socket
you are familiar with those concepts already
i mean i have never played league, but i know that killing the enemy team is good
hot crystal
most games are easy to follow if you put in a little bit of time to understand whats going on
not even a lot
elder patrol
I can watch some comp cs from time to time, I just find other stuff boring
shell sparrow
one team is dead but inside there might be clutch play from team that lost
livid socket
in wow the only measurement of how good a pull is going is seeing how many people are alive
ashen ravine
we had in this discord people who did get bis legendary early on and got with th...
The system is fine If you have luck
brazen eagle
yes
but the lesson i learned was that people inherently don't care about what makes you peform well
shell sparrow
looking at simply "they died - bad" isn't showing you whole picture and some times not even showing much
brazen eagle
if you don't get lucky, gtfo
livid socket
looking at simply "they died - bad" isn't showing you whole picture and some tim...
sure but its something flashy that people will see and be entertained by
brazen eagle
esp. when like in legion you have legendary powers with 25% dps impact
livid socket
watching a mage doing a good combust looks the same as him doing a bad combust
elder patrol
livid socket
or a good disc pump. you cant see it as a viewer
brazen eagle
i think it is a valid complain for pvp
hot crystal
i can do a good combust 
brazen eagle
it got better a bit recently, but pvp you often don't know whats going on
shell sparrow
true but that doesn't mean lol is easy to understand visually
tropic skiff
No fucking way https://twitter.com/epicgamemusic/status/1523475849168576513?s=21&t=0WeZfNBrdvCgPyF8mmxZTg
shell sparrow
wow is worse, sure
elder patrol
among
livid socket
thats why i think wow is really bad for watching
hot crystal
or a good disc pump. you cant see it as a viewer
i still remember this one max clip where nick soloed the entire raid getting hit by the antiheal on sylv
peak solar
esp. when like in legion you have legendary powers with 25% dps impact
that's how tier set was
brazen eagle
i think one of the wfr complains was how jailer mechanics are too confusing for the viewer
tawny glen
it got better a bit recently, but pvp you often don't know whats going on
How much of an issue is that gameplay related tho?
peak solar
granted it only lasts for a few weeks so it's nowhere near as bad
but if you got 4 pc week 1 or 2
brazen eagle
that's how tier set was
well now image beeing locked out from your tier set for 1 year
shell sparrow
wfr is community imposed
brazen eagle
and how this feels
peak solar
yea that shit is cringe lol
hot crystal
i think one of the wfr complains was how jailer mechanics are too confusing for ...
i stopped watching jailer because it looked so weird, and i couldnt relate to it because nobody was doing it on lower difficulty
shell sparrow
I firmly believe Blizz should not pay attention to that
hot crystal
ez rank 1's
and then you got me last one to get tier
tawny glen
I watched jailer when it was about to get killed
brazen eagle
tbh i think some of the complains are good
tawny glen
Think it's more that there were already 4 hard bosses before to watch
peak solar
and then you got me last one to get tier <:dead:932888396316155934>
same brother
brazen eagle
because wow does often not do a good job in projecting to the player what is going on
tawny glen
And this one was like "just another 300 pull boss"
hot crystal
i think blizzard should tune bosses to be hard enough that world first exists and do quick bug fixes and thats about it
livid socket
rwf is still boring but its the most entertaining form of "competitive wow" in my opinion
brazen eagle
and visual design often lacks
elder patrol
because wow does often not do a good job in projecting to the player what is goi...
just read the books, oh wait
hot crystal
true
brazen eagle
cn had some very good examples
livid socket
i think 2 weeks are a good time
brazen eagle
slidgefest was early on visually very hard to distinguish, and people did not know what was going on
peak solar
you can tune shit to die in less than a week
shell sparrow
I didn't hear complaints from people actually playing Jailer that it's poorly telegraphed
hot crystal
rwf should be like 10 days max bro
merry orbit
i dont understand ppl who follow every pull of rwf, like they gonna watch 500 pulls on 1 boss t hen play 1000 themselves
elder patrol
cause very hard= good
livid socket
as long as its not steamrolling every boss and being stuck on one for 13 days when its mathematically impossible
elder patrol
brazen eagle
just chaning the color of void zones did make the fight better
brazen eagle
same with denathrius swirlies, even tho i think it was less of a problem as you could see them better
livid socket
0 pull boss kill 
peak solar
and then last boss like 200-300
brazen eagle
i do think the current wfr was better because it was longer
hot crystal
i think one harder boss in the middle toward the end is a decent policy
the raid shouldnt feel like a steamroll
not pog
peak solar
that's fine
brazen eagle
a very short race esp. with the high impact of the early resets does make the race very one sided
hot crystal
it doesnt actually matter how many pulls a boss takes as long as your progress feels meaningful
imo
peak solar
it does tho
brazen eagle
even tho eu guilds did peform well, there is a big mental problem early on because you basically only paly "catch up"
and this is what did show in this race
tawny glen
Yeah, sire felt like meaningful prog
Slg on the other hand was whack
brazen eagle
echo did play catch up, and at the point limit started losing they lost drowned
and this is in no disrespect to their players or guild
they are incredible
this is why starting at the same time would be so much better, it would allow no headstarts
tawny glen
I'm not sure if global release is a good idea
tawny glen
I'm thinking of it messing up weekly reset of all regions
Like does eu get weekly reset 4 AM?
elder patrol
what would it mess up
hot crystal
I can understand why they dont want to do it, it makes reset times weird and would make the race start weird
shell sparrow
it's also incentive for one region to degen
like say it's synced with US, Echo are fine with that but not rest of the EU, but some would still degen to get the edge
livid socket
i mean if people wanna degen, they can degen anyways
shell sparrow
you create some irregularity for literally 2 guilds
tawny glen
Stuff like patch launches on weekly resets also help servers not explode
shell sparrow
gaining nothing in the process really as game dev
brazen eagle
even if its only echo/limit at the top end
at this point
everyone who goes into the race in eu starts with the same disadvantage
and cn is even worse
livid socket
(canada)
brazen eagle
hot crystal
Primal dragon raid is gonna bang guys BatChest
brazen eagle
but maybe my point of view isn't the best
and the staggered release is fair for competition
elder patrol
Primal dragon raid is gonna bang guys BatChest
naked Alextraza in raid or we riot
hot crystal
Nah its just that both come with downsides fuu
There isnt a good answer in this situation
brazen eagle
you could release at a time that is early in na and later in eu
elder patrol
or ignore rwf 
shell sparrow
it makes like
brazen eagle
this still would allow na to have a longer raid due to starting out earlier, but eu to start at the same time
shell sparrow
0 sense
brazen eagle
i mean
why would it matter for the regular?
what disadvantage would anyone get if things are synced up
shell sparrow
because someone would want to degen
livid socket
thats not a real downside
shell sparrow
it is
livid socket
they can also degen wednesday night
and games like PoE also launch in the evening
its not blizzards job to prevent people to play at night
shell sparrow
it's on devs to save players from themselves
livid socket
okay so why is it so much worse if people degen tuesday night instead of wednesday night
shell sparrow
if you create situation where the most optimal way is to degen that's on you as dev
peak solar
if you create situation where the most optimal way is to degen that's on you as ...
that's why i'm saying less than 1 week rwf
livid socket
yea and some guilds will play all day and through the night
brazen eagle
so na people can just raid normally at the evening
peak solar
shell sparrow
you don't get to break schedule because game decided that to be so
brazen eagle
both regions would have release on the same day
na still would have an advantage because eu would need a break earlier
shell sparrow
and games like PoE also launch in the evening
poe has global economy
and economy matters there a lot
tropic skiff
Is eating a burger while u feeling nauseous a good idea ?
shell sparrow
so I can see why it's global
livid socket
okay hearthstone also launches in the evening in EU
brazen eagle
Is eating a burger while u feeling nauseous a good idea ?
depends why you feel like it
livid socket
and most games
elder patrol
Is eating a burger while u feeling nauseous a good idea ?
go for it
wise flume
Borgir 
elder patrol
peak solar
Is eating a burger while u feeling nauseous a good idea ?
Small bites, take your time, and sip on something with ginger should be fine
livid socket
like if a guild wants to degen, they can do it whether the game launches tuesday evening or wednesday morning. they can play through the night in both cases
shell sparrow
they don't have to start at different to their schedule time
elder patrol
so Blizz gotta babysit these idiots?
tropic skiff
<:peeposhrug:657382266921812009> depends why you feel like it
Prolly meds
livid socket
they don't have to start at different to their schedule time
if anything, starting in the evening is more along people's schedules than starting on a weekday in the morning
livid socket
i agree it doesnt really accomplish anything
shell sparrow
and break habit and familiar schedule for so many people
elder patrol
also rwf is like 0.1% of playerbase so why care
brazen eagle
i think the biggest incentive for a not global release is a economical one
you can deploy the patch only to one region and fix things there before going to other regions
i don't think there is a strong argument else
elder patrol
I like NA beta testing for eu
brazen eagle
but we run into the same discussion with xpac releases, and you can argue the same way
shell sparrow
xpac release is change for everyone, raid release is really not
brazen eagle
global releases for xpacs did get introduced as feature
so it was not the norm
and it isn't rly that much diffrent
you get access to content earlier
in terms of servers/etc you run into a lot more issues even as there is a bigger pool of players who are interessted
livid socket
D:
hot crystal
Actually yeah fuck the salad
livid socket
are you calling him fat
hot crystal
Eat bread
livid socket
eat a baguette
hot crystal
Nah just trying to think of something not greasu
Greasy
But salad can be acidic
Which isnt great if tummy feel bad
livid socket
and oily
livid socket
bread with nothing
hot crystal
We used to do the "BRAT" diet when i was sick
Bananas something apples toast
Cant remember what r was
Er applesauce not apples
nova obsidian
Caps anivia 
livid socket
i think ur parents just wanted justification to call you a brat
hot crystal
I was the "problem"
peak solar
Couldn’t stop me from climbing on shit lol
stoic folio
hot crystal
Bro all i did was be loud in class
And i got perma treated like the problem
Forever
Until now
peak solar
I’d just crack jokes
stoic folio
#adhdevil child
these days it feels like I should go get tested for that
stoic folio
Bro all i did was be loud in class
teachers made me skip a grade for that
hot crystal
Now since me and my sister are adults there isnt a problem child anymore
surreal dagger
nah just problem adults now
hot crystal
Basically
peak solar
these days it feels like I should go get tested for that
I’m tryna start medication for it
I been doing therapy/ coaching and it’s helped a ton
hot crystal
Now im an actual problem in some ways and theyre doing less about it than they did in high school when i wouldnt study
peak solar
that's how it be
livid socket
yea cuz ur an adult
stoic folio
I been doing therapy/ coaching and it’s helped a ton
as a first step understanding why I can't get any work done and stay focused on anything that isn't gaming would help
peak solar
sit down and behave or here's the door
hot crystal
Bro i was a great student in high school and they busted my ass the whole time
tropic skiff
If i die i die
peak solar
as a first step understanding why I can't get any work done and stay focused on ...
bro no cap learning about it explains like EVERY aspect of my life
personality traits
livid socket
you want your parents to tell you to clean your room when you are 30?
peak solar
issues i have
etc
people talk about adhd like oh you just can't pay attention
nah
hot crystal
you want your parents to tell you to clean your room when you are 30?
Fuck no im just bitter
peak solar
that's not the real issue
stoic folio
Bro i was a great student in high school and they busted my ass the whole time
I was good and I didn't work my cringe classmates thought I was lying about not working 
surreal dagger
being a great student and behaving while being a student are not exclusive.
peak solar
the real issue is executive function and working memory problems
like oh hey you need to call this person and it's really easy and not an issue but
hot crystal
being a great student and behaving while being a student are not exclusive.
I behaved fine mostly in high school
peak solar
gonna make you unable to call them
stoic folio
being a great student and behaving while being a student are not exclusive.
nah but hand in hand you're a loser
livid socket
I was good and I didn't work my cringe classmates thought I was lying about not ...
in our graduation paper a teacher wrote as a comment about me: "He was lazy as a piece of dirt but always had the best grade"
stoic folio
any feedback I ever got
"could do better if he was more serious"
mofo I'm doing fine enough
peak solar
my teachers said i was intelligent and always did really good for putting in 0 effort
and then they were sad when i stopped showing up
surreal dagger
disruptive students don’t always understand the level of distractions they may actually be causing. not saying this is the case.
hot crystal
livid socket
i wasnt disruptive or anything and i got along really well with every teacher and enjoyed school time
stoic folio
disruptive students don’t always understand the level of distractions they may a...
oh I was disruptive when I was a kid, that's why they made me skip a grade, which didn't fix shit but I wasn't their problem anymore
livid socket
i just didnt spend a single second on school once i was home
stoic folio
dogshit teachers
hot crystal
I hated school i talked to my friends or played games through every class
peak solar
oh I was disruptive when I was a kid, that's why they made me skip a grade, whic...
they told me if i didn't take meds they wouldn't let me pass the grade or come to school
livid socket
you skipped a grade for being disruptive?
surreal dagger
dogshit teachers
often the disruptive ones are bored so if challenged more it helps
peak solar
livid socket
or you mean you had to repeat a year
stoic folio
I liked school until I skipped a grade then it was pain almost all the way to graduation,
until I dropped out one year and came back a year later with people my age
stoic folio
you skipped a grade for being disruptive? <:lul:585739277548388352>
yes
I was disruptive cause I was bored
cause shit was too easy
surreal dagger
exactly
livid socket
ah i see
peak solar
often the case
most public schools teach at the level of the lowest in the class
not the highest
surreal dagger
so yeah you just didn’t fit in socially.
stoic folio
my school had classes with 2 grades in them,
I would do my grade very fast then listen to the other one
peak solar
so if you're smart you're often bored as fuck in school
hot crystal
Usually by high school classes split up but at that point the damage is done
surreal dagger
100% you should have been pushed more. ultimately ya needed to grow the fuck up and stop being a dick in class. 
stoic folio
exactly
yeah ofc, they needed to challenge me more but they werent really qualified to do that, specially with a lot of kids in the class
brazen eagle
cause shit was too easy
was that in elementary shool
tropic skiff
I hated school
brazen eagle
or in higher collages?
tropic skiff
But teachers loved me
stoic folio
100% you should have been pushed more. ultimately ya needed to grow the fuck up ...
yeah at 8
tropic skiff
Had top grades on my class didn’t work
brazen eagle
because i know one part of my family
stoic folio
was that in elementary shool
elementary
brazen eagle
did force teach their children elementary school stuff
stoic folio
school was so painful you could say my social life began at 18
brazen eagle
so they can skip a class or two
surreal dagger
easier to do it younger imo. trying to to that in high school would have been worse.
brazen eagle
and it was kind of painful to watch
stoic folio
so they can skip a class or two
that's the dumbest shit
brazen eagle
i am always curios how somone can skip a class of elementary shool without prior education from their parents in any form
stoic folio
my mom has said to me a couple times that her biggest regret was saying ok to me skipping a grade
brazen eagle
given that it learns the basic elements like writing/counting/etc.
stoic folio
and when that happened to my brother she said no
peak solar
my mom has said to me a couple times that her biggest regret was saying ok to me...
mine says the same about not putting me in ap classes
livid socket
given that it learns the basic elements like writing/counting/etc.
i mean i learned that stuff before school too but its not like my parents sat me down and forced it into my head
peak solar
said i got bored like you and just started acting a fool
hot crystal
Wish i could see what everyones gonna say but i have to sleep so i can wake up for class tomorrow (Painge)
brazen eagle
to learn
stoic folio
ultimately the best way to go about it is after school activities
hot crystal
Bless my vault friends
stoic folio
with the parents
brazen eagle
btw. saying "they enjoy doing this stuff and we support them"
peak solar
may agreon have all my wow luck for vault
elder patrol
Bless my vault friends
peak solar
for the next 10 weeks
worthy bane
<:prayge:803711491021733888> may agreon have all my wow luck for vault
why you curse him?
brazen eagle
i only know because i visited them once and saw how "excited" they got and how they "just engaged with the stuff"
livid socket
my dad always tells me how i read the newspaper upside down to him when i was 4 after my brother secretly taught me how to read but he likes to exaggerate stories a lot 
brazen eagle
i think thats fine
esp. if you have multiple age groups
children are interested in what the others do
livid socket
yea like im pretty sure i just picked up stuff from my 3 year older brother doing school stuff
brazen eagle
kind of makes sense then
tbh i was bored asf
when i got out of elementary school and into the next education level
but only in math
peak solar
math was boring for me until algebra
although it was effectively useless at that point for real world applications at least it was engaging
stoic folio
math was boring for me until algebra
I had some trouble with fractions for a decent time
tropic skiff
Five Guys was disgusting
stoic folio
cause you learned them in the grade I skipped
serene crescent
I coasted by in school without studying
serene crescent
that I didn't get used to it for when I had tos tudy
peak solar
cuz i had pneumonia
serene crescent
stoic folio
dude i had a problem with fucking
I still have one
peak solar
for like a month
when we learned about commas and all that shit
as a kid
so i just never really learned great grammar until like
highschool
livid socket
serene crescent
I was in top set in primary school
peak solar
serene crescent
cos I have a large brain
livid socket
did you have roman numerals in maths class?
serene crescent
then it all went wrong after high school
stoic folio
that's my joke
serene crescent
livid socket
i still dont know why tf we did that
livid socket
that's my joke
i know :)
peak solar
stoic folio
brazen eagle
@elder patrol you know.. we still see delete messages
elder patrol
I know
serene crescent
he weants you to see it
stoic folio
maybe he wanted to talk to the mods 
serene crescent
brazen eagle
elder patrol
I dont recommend doing the command here