jailer was legit made by an intern
#off-topic
humble rivet
until phase 3
pulsar trail
mythic mechanic better be sick
that's all I'm saying
because that fight on normal?
median gale
i cant wait til limit hits P4 on crab boss 
wheat onyx
"this boss on LFR sucks it doesnt even have any mechanics"
pulsar trail
it's just boring
it's not a bad fight
it's just idk how they make it interesting
it's legit burn as much until 3rd pillar hits the middle and he starts killing azeroth
then you get juiced and its a race to the finish and hope people don't stand in the giant black puddle
like anduin was infinitely more interesting
wheat onyx
wheat onyx
think were similar
median gale
bring me so i get 4pc in 1 reset YEP 🙂
wheat onyx
idk if anybody has 4 in our guild
wheat onyx
well think how easy itll be to trade!
median gale
i can confirm, i am the other rogue 😦 (not really but also 0 tier)
pulsar trail
I can't wait to loot heroic gloves tuesday
and not be able to trade them
cuz I have normal
median gale
i am using 291 leggo doe because ill just recraft if needed not too many problems
undone bone
on hc it is already quite hard
pulsar trail
lmao it's literally the same fight minus a pillar making people move out of orbs in p1 & an add in p3
cyan oxide
that's a cold take man
pulsar trail
redeemable for a piece you don't have
cyan oxide
like freezing cold take
wheat onyx
🍦
cyan oxide
Our enh sham has 4p but not doin much with it at all
you dm them saying "yo delete your character rn jk you're the best jk go fork socket"
graceful thistle
Frfr
pulsar trail
Our enh sham has 4p but not doin much with it at all
you wanna hear a wild idea? what if blizzard made the tokens non-class specific
pulsar trail
and ANYONE with tier could trade to ANYONE
hollow seal
what if the free tier crafting station was here from the start
graceful thistle
Buff sword nerf axe
graceful thistle
what if the free tier crafting station was here from the start
That would never fly
pulsar trail
what if the free tier crafting station was here from the start
wild, then they could justify the 1 week cd
insane
graceful thistle
Too much qol
wheat onyx
i got the xymox neck 
hollow seal
true lol
tawny coral
graceful thistle
Blizzard would never allow players that much freedom before a .5 patch
Cuz then they don't have .5 content
wheat onyx
i thinkits more they dont want players that powerful that quickly
hollow seal
should have never brought back tier
wheat onyx
less about wanting to limit content until a .5 patch
graceful thistle
Could've allowed it w1 at limited ilvl
wheat onyx
well the ilvl of tier clearly doesnt matter when specs gain like 20%+ dps from it :p
and the amount of splits done one very difficulty
graceful thistle
Ofc not but that's the point
Even if it's lfr ilevel capped or something week 1, it's still worth grinding the catalyst for it
Would give even more reason to do ZM outside of unity
wheat onyx
should just be a catchup fueled currency item that drops from "tier" bosses
where like u get x currency from holdanrus or you get a full piece
and then every y currency you can make a tier item
which is bsically the creation catalyst but
right away
i think its a hard balance to figure out
because they could have made tier easy to get, but then the raid has to be tuned around EVERYBODY having tier insanely fast
seems like halondrus is tuned the way it is for a reason
to me the issue is that tier is too impactful, and splits are too effective
graceful thistle
Yeah it is kinda weird that tier seems a lot more impactful than "legendary" gear
valid tartan
they need to add a flex token on jailer
they might do it in 9.2.5
like they did with that second tier in archimond iirc
wheat onyx
well its compounding systems right
pulsar trail
they might do it in 9.2.5
nah too busy trying to break out cross-faction so people 3 years from now go "maybe SL wasn't garbage"
graceful thistle
Idk. I'm chillin now after attempting h anduin for another couple hours and not being able to kill because people are too focused on padding on ghouls and not target swapping to the abom blowing us up. And RL had MM hunter in wft group because healers wanted frames a certain way.
wheat onyx
graceful thistle
Gonna be a long tier so may as well strap in
graceful thistle
Yeah
graceful thistle
But don't worry damage doesnt matter
wheat onyx
they just do double damage in keys now
graceful thistle
That's their favorite line
pulsar trail
they just do double damage in keys now
urh just giga juices them
flat scaffold
they played their tier set right into their strength
graceful thistle
Ye mm gets kyrian every pull
pulsar trail
MM shits out damage even w/o tier
graceful thistle
- trick shots slaps
graceful thistle
Ye
graceful thistle
They just get nut cleave for free
valid tartan
yep
wheat onyx
seems very powerful
median gale
so 2 set is just a 30% damage buff in aoe
4pc is just a 35% dps increase KEKW
valid tartan
legit saw some mm hunters with 2pc making 17k overall
wheat onyx
wheat onyx
yeah
graceful thistle
Meanwhile
graceful thistle
10% tier target
valid tartan
THE PROBLEM WITH OUTLAW IS THAT HE IS CAPPED
wheat onyx
same guy designs 31% for sin
valid tartan
wheat onyx
graceful thistle
I finally broke the 1k difference between my sin and sub sims so I can no longer justify playing sin
valid tartan
sin might be a interesting choice for m+ after 4pc/2l
pulsar trail
same guy designs 31% for sin <:dead:932888396316155934>
pay your dues for 9.0
graceful thistle
But sub is balanced
wheat onyx
i never wanna hear a sub mfer ever complain again after this expac
black powder the dumbest button they gave the spec
flat scaffold
i will
wheat onyx
just lets it be good at everything
median gale
sub needs buffs YEP
wheat onyx
stupid fucking spec 
flat scaffold
ill still complain about bfa dw
valid tartan
make CT baselin
pulsar trail
<a:deskchan:862025020968271913>
this a clip of you during the first podcast?
graceful thistle
Making CT baseline doesn't fix the 53% aura it has
pulsar trail
true true
wheat onyx
dont need guests every time
pulsar trail
let you and seli rant about how dogshit 9.2 is
pulsar trail
I'll jump on
wheat onyx
get jpc on the next
graceful thistle
So guy can complain the whole time about how he was lied to. Can't wait for that tbh
wheat onyx
or maybe after the tier
im having an alright time with kyrian sub
but this tier will forever be tainted with being lied to
graceful thistle
Ye I played kyrian sub first time tonight and it feels fine. I'm more upset at the fact that sub is just flat out better in everything and it's annoying
wheat onyx
valid tartan
i hate the fact that we play 2 covenants only because is a hassle to go back to oribos to change covenants
wheat onyx
As soon as black powder was revealed I had a feeling the spec would just begin to overshadow everything
graceful thistle
It's not even necessarily BP to me
valid tartan
they can always remove it
graceful thistle
Like BP is good for pad sure
valid tartan
remember burst of speed?
wheat onyx
I just don't like when you have a 3 DPs spec and they don't have a niche
graceful thistle
It's just that they get a full CP bar for pressing one button
wheat onyx
And black powder kinda lleans into that
Because before it was outlaw aoe sin cleave sub st
And funnel
But now it's just sub aoe cleave st
graceful thistle
Ye BP does give sub the aoe title
wheat ore
Nerf outlaw dmg by 20% but make blade flurry 80-90% cleave aoe uncapped
wheat onyx
flat scaffold
wouldnt mind having that back tbh guy
hollow seal
make BF also hit the primary target
wheat onyx
Ye
wheat onyx
I'm a real sucker for things being very unique and potentially terrible
I liked when sub didn't have BP because it kinda forced the spec into always being a funnel spec.
The spec could not do aoe. It was impossible
graceful thistle
I mean as much as I don't think they could've completely uncapped BF it would've been nice to get some kind of change. To literally get nothing was just wrong
wheat onyx
I liked that
I like rtb because it feels like nothing else any wow spec has
Even if it's had its up's and downs design wise
I'll take a unique idea over "being good"
Which is kinda what BP feels like to me
It's a button that was designed to "make sub good"
And a lot less unique to me
graceful thistle
Well it's just stupid to me that sub has the best ST AND the best aoe literally at the same time because they can press storm + evis or storm + bp
pulsar trail
shuriken still has the functionality of sub being a funnel spec
meanwhile I'm foking for 3.5 years to get 5cp
wheat onyx
Yeah that's my point
It's just like
BP allows the spec to be whatever it needs to be
Ofc sub can just be undertuned and just be bad at everything, but I still don't like the design of BP in general to me
graceful thistle
And they don't have to talent into anything either. Like even without nado they still have great aoe
hot crystal
i dont think anyone should have to talent into having some sort of aoe spell
super cringe
make ct baseline
wheat onyx
I said it before but I like when specs are unique
hot crystal
etc
wheat onyx
Sub always being a funnel spec is unique to me
hot crystal
sure unique is good, sin aoe is balanced around dogshit generation, but that doesnt mean that ct shouldnt be baseline imo
wheat onyx
But now BP just means it's just a damage spec just like any other
That is only good when it's tuned highly
Rather than it being "oh so we can abuse sub rogue funnel here"
It's just "oh sub is tuned the highest it does everything let's just use that"
graceful thistle
Ye funnel / bursty cd based ST, sin is consistent st/limited cleave, outlaw aoe. Bring that back
wheat onyx
Either way outlaw will be fun on farm
Also glad they made sure to make the sub 4 set to shore up a sub rogue weakness
Just so it can do everything the best
graceful thistle
Yeah that's another thing that felt like a slap in the face
undone bone
and also have sinergy with legendaries and conduits
i wonder if a pistol shot conduit existed
hot crystal
Sub cleave existing 
graceful thistle
"we want to push specs more into their niche, except sub....we'll gpatch up their only weakness"
undone bone
instead of the travesty we have on ambidex
hollow seal
meanwhile the outlaw one only has light synergy with 2 bad legendaries
wheat onyx
wheat onyx
It does
undone bone
same as wickers
wheat onyx
Just not very well
undone bone
just badly
wheat onyx
Yeah
hollow seal
true true
graceful thistle
Not using pistol leggos with pistol tier set explains the injustice towards outlaw
pulsar trail
Just so it can do everything the best <:beesmile:585945039268741143>
didn't you hear? it'll be a sin tier because sin tier is the bigger %
despite it being less damage than sub still
hot crystal
undone bone
well at least sin will have dreadlords
hot crystal
Sin on 2 fights 
undone bone
pantheon is kinda oof
wheat onyx
Playing outlaw anyway 
hot crystal
Being a lawer 
graceful thistle
Hey guys don't forget about downtime sin is the prog spec
undone bone
well just play triple threat and proc a lot pog
wheat onyx
d o w n t i m e
pulsar trail
I'm going to sue Ion for negligent infliction of emotional distress
hot crystal
So what usually happens with an expansion announcement
Is it basically just the name
Or do they do big details
hot crystal
Or like if they were gonna do a new race or class and shit like that
hot crystal
Right
hot crystal
So its the big shit thats gonna be in 10.0
hot crystal
Like for sl it was like covenants and soulbinds and whatever
wheat onyx
"return to class fantasy rather than spec fantasy"
hot crystal
Im assuming
hot crystal
"return to class fantasy rather than spec fantasy"
Epic fail
wheat onyx
i mean a lot of ppl like it lol
hot crystal
I mean its like fine
But did they really do that
Ig covenant abilities by class kinda
hot crystal
Wft is literally spec tho
wheat onyx
yes but its part of the shaman class fantasy to totems
hot crystal
Poisons is cool snd is just boring but its fine ig
wheat onyx
which enhance didnt have as much before
i mean idk every example because its been so long
inner wadi
oh u guys were talkin
wheat onyx
but a lot of class wide buttons werent before
wheat onyx
legion had stronger spec fantasy
inner wadi
what did i miss
pulsar trail
I miss class halls
humble rivet
the order hall was the class thing
pulsar trail
vibing in the sewers with my boys
wheat onyx
yes but the actual spec designs were like two different planets away
inner wadi
oh fif this is legion talk
hot crystal
Oh sure
wheat onyx
sub rogue in legion, and outlaw rogue in legion were two different classes
humble rivet
legion was more spec fantasy opriented cause every spec had their special weapon
wheat onyx
they had almost nothing in common
inner wadi
then sadly i have no idea whats going one
hot crystal
Ye i get u guy
inner wadi
i waant asking for u to fill me in idiot
pulsar trail
it was cool as fuck too
wheat onyx
what u talkin for then huh
pulsar trail
having your weapons set for the entire expac
hot crystal
Like the main similarities were super core class stuff like combo points and like armor types and main stat and stuff
Whereas now theres more overlap
wheat onyx
yes
flat scaffold
wouldnt mind it being more like legion in terms of specs tbh
wheat onyx
exactly
inner wadi
i was simply wondering what the convo was about
#lThen I was excusing myself for not knowing
wheat onyx
like sub rogue in legion was doing backflips, applying nightblade
livid socket
Whereas now theres more overlap
Like shiv and snd 
hot crystal
I dont mind gameplay within class being similar but they should at least do different shit
wheat onyx
sin was applying bleeds, poisons flying out on your finishers
hot crystal
Like niches small cds
inner wadi
quit being a hater guy
wheat onyx
outlaw was shooting dice everywhere, had 10 gun procs
inner wadi
wheat onyx
then stop derailing 
inner wadi
I WASNT
hot crystal
Bro the fuck is nightblade
wheat onyx
flat scaffold
nightblade is 
wheat onyx
it was a sub rogue flavored rupture
hot crystal
What thats way cooler
wheat onyx
it wasnt
late quest
Yeah it was
inner wadi
it was cringe
wheat onyx
it was the worst button sub had
hot crystal
O
inner wadi
actually so stupid
wheat onyx
which in SL was removed in favor of adding rupture to add more overlap into "classes' rather than "specs"
flat scaffold
well yeah sub rogues dmg profile was so frontloaded into evis
hot crystal
I like shit like that kinda though
inner wadi
and thats coming from me
wheat onyx
nightblade was a rupture that was so bloated with damage and it had half the duration
rather than being 36 seconds it was 16
it did a fuckload of damage
it was also a mortal strike
and it also caused you to do 15% more damage to the target
very annoying ability to play with
hot crystal
O
wheat onyx
low duration, high impact, had to be reapplied a lot
hot crystal
I like the idea that its a different version of rupture but it sounds like the gameplay wasnt great which sucks
wheat onyx
ye it was a bummer
hot crystal
More damage to target is pretty interesting honestly
hollow seal
for some reason blizzard couldn't decide what was good spec fantasy
and just nuked a ton of it
hot crystal
Imagine you apply that before dance and just gigablast
wheat onyx
nop
it was literally just rupture
you keep it at 100% uptime
because the bleed damage it did was also very high
hollow seal
if your goal is 100% uptime anyway it doesn't really matter if it gives % increased damage
hot crystal
Gotcha
undone bone
you had 1 azerite you played around
hollow seal
at least for ST gameplay
wheat onyx
it was just a purple rupture, that had a lot of other text on it
undone bone
but it was kinda ooofers
hot crystal
Thats pretty disappointing
wheat onyx
it was purple rupture that made aoe ugly
hot crystal
Give it a cd or something
wheat onyx
hollow seal
true
undone bone
before it saw the light of ptr exit
hollow seal
I miss azerite
wheat onyx
tier 🥸
azerite
hollow seal
azerite > Tier
undone bone
azerite made you be able to do funky builds
and i did like corruption after vendor came out
hollow seal
azerite also got an entire expansion to be iterated on
instead of just getting a month or 2 then being shit for the entire tier 🙂
hollow seal
the old clip
undone bone
balanced blades
undone bone
or first SS
undone bone
also first iteration of first dance with 2 charges
hollow seal
no iteration can fix it when you remake it every tier
hollow seal
my other favorite topic
stats that are useless for no reason
and never adjusted or fixed
hot crystal
Mastery
hot crystal
So many masteries are boring too
tawny glen
Mastery works sometimes for sub aoe no?
hot crystal
Like they do nothing meaningful
undone bone
remember when haste did not affect bleeds or poison
wheat onyx
undone bone
for no reason
hollow seal
yeah lol
hollow seal
I think they need to abandon this energy class 1second locked GCD thing
and let our GCD scale with haste
maybe not to the degree that it does for 1.5gcd specs
but something
hot crystal
Idk i dont hate 1s gcd
undone bone
let the noobs fail
wheat onyx
and i dont need more feels based Haste related discussions and debate in my life lok
im too old for this
hollow seal
it's a way to fix the haste problem for energy classes
tawny glen
I'd rather look at mastery honestly
undone bone
we have a bigger problem with mastery
hot crystal
Ye mastery should be looked at
wheat onyx
its just bad for sub because sub doesnt do damage with energy/autos as much
tawny glen
Haste can be compensated by "proc on attack" effects like sht or outlaw energy proc
hollow seal
it's a problem that crops up from expansion to expansion
hot crystal
Bro i hate looking at my breakdown and seeing like 35% passive damage why is everything poisons and white melee
hollow seal
it's not a problem right now for outlaw and sin ofc
but last expansion only sin even wanted haste at all
wheat onyx
well ye thats my point
undone bone
yea haste and mastery can be stinkers for us
hollow seal
it feels like they don't try to maintain it in any way it's just random
which is the core of my complaint
wheat onyx
no need to rework a whole stat just because sometimes its bad/good
undone bone
if we dont rely on borrowed power fiesta
wheat onyx
in my eyes anyway
hollow seal
no effort on blizzards part to manage stats in any significant way
hot crystal
no need to rework a whole stat just because sometimes its bad/good
Agree
But if stats are boring and always bad....
undone bone
i also dont know why they changed outlaw mastery
wheat onyx
i think in general more mastery stats need to be looked at
because a lot of them suck
LOL
tawny glen
Outlaw mastery not increasing chance for main gauche to proc is pretty disappointing
undone bone
main gauche getting extra % proc was way better
than getting a lil more dmg when it procs
undone bone
yea it was actually quite good as the expansion went on
even if it was not the better of the 4 stats you got something from it
i miss pandaria combat
tawny glen
Extra % would also make the tier set better
wheat onyx
mainstat
hollow seal
it's just everytime mastery is close
we get some kind of borrowed power that nukes it
due to our mastery offering no synergy with it
hollow seal
honestly mastery should just increased the damage of everything that can't proc MG
undone bone
would need to take power off other things
hollow seal
then also give MG % chance
undone bone
outlaw should be the combo point class
make mastery get extra chances to proc cps or get more cps after finishers
hollow seal
also I think outlaw having % increased potency of finishers is like the perfect mastery for outlaw lol
wheat onyx
👏 gun ability damage 👏
undone bone
to make the machine rolling faster
hollow seal
but that's literally the sub mastery
hollow seal
pls no
undone bone
man i miss ace sound
hollow seal
just gun ability damage ty
undone bone
CHCH
hollow seal
I don't want a complicated mastery that blizzard will never be able to balance
and subsequently be too afraid to buff
tawny glen
Gotta low how we have a dead dice talent for the entire expansion
wheat onyx
i want a complicated mastery stat thats overpowered
like just make it so mastery is worth 3dps
hot crystal
Bro like half of rogue talents are dead
wheat onyx
and the next best stat is 2dps
hot crystal
Its pathetic
hollow seal
I mean sometimes talents are dead by design
tawny glen
Bro like half of rogue talents are dead
To be fair outlaw is pretty good in that department
hollow seal
if a talent is bad it's because blizzard doesn't want it to be good
wheat onyx
lot of variety and use for almost everything
hot crystal
Sin talents
wheat onyx
sin talents are good too no?
last tier was all over the place with what people were using in top logs
hot crystal
Like 2 rows maybe
wheat onyx
dude sin logs were all over the place
tawny glen
And that useless fok ability
wheat onyx
between ep mp sub ma mfd deeper vigor
hot crystal
dude sin logs were all over the place
Thats just bad players bro
wheat onyx
burnt dock
It's the bottom half
wheat onyx
its the bottom 2*
burnt dock
Exsang is dead, venom rush is dead, hidden blades is dead.
hot crystal
Yep
wheat onyx
i mean its really hard for EVERYTHING to be good
burnt dock
PB may as well not exist
hot crystal
Ns is pretty dead
burnt dock
Dogshit talent
wheat onyx
but theres a bunch of diversity for sin/otl overall
hollow seal
rn I think outlaw actually has flexibility in every damage row lol
hot crystal
Mp is dead
pulsar trail
there's a HB 1 shot cheese in pvp
wheat onyx
outlaw talents are perfection
tawny glen
What are some truly dead talents for outlaw?
tawny glen
There's weaponmaster, loaded dice
hollow seal
my feedback from when BR was added to the game still stands
hollow seal
BR feels like the talent you take to replace KS with a better spell
pulsar trail
BR is sick as fuck tbh
tawny glen
Vigor at the beggining of shadowlands 
wheat onyx
blade rush is also perfection
hollow seal
BR is a blaster
wheat onyx
pulsar trail
probably the coolest rogue ability in the game
tawny glen
Yeah killing spree is just disappointing to look at as well
wheat onyx
i feel like you could make KS such a cool talent, and buff it at the same time
tawny glen
They butchered the damage of the ability
pulsar trail
that's about it
wheat onyx
where instead of you doing KS, you summon "dread pirates to do killing spree"
hollow seal
so I can choose how it works
modest lion
yo @wheat onyx have you seen the post about mfd+sbs tech on rygelon?
wheat onyx
yo <@!96834520417828864> have you seen the post about mfd+sbs tech on rygelon?
which post
modest lion
pulsar trail
wheat onyx
ur blocked
modest lion
and with that ill go to sleep
hot crystal
Get got guy
undone bone
sleep well
pulsar trail
LOL
undone bone
fellow crab watcher
tawny glen
Maybe echo kills crab today
hollow seal
I'm glad they are tuning the raid around RWF
hot crystal
I think they do
modest lion
like its pathetic
the funny thing about it, is that i linked to one that oyu posted yourself
hollow seal
it makes the raid so much more cool and engaging
tawny glen
Liquid got it to 5%
pulsar trail
Crazy that anduin isnt seen until tomorrow
forgot an asterisks
wheat onyx
the funny thing about it, is that i linked to one that oyu posted yourself
yeah thats why i hate it
hollow seal
🤔
hot crystal
Sin for sure seli dont back down
modest lion
id say thats otl tech
hot crystal
Both
pulsar trail
is this sin tech
nah mfd can go in the trash where it belongs
modest lion
1 spike on boss, 1 on usntable matter
pulsar trail
I'm done playing venthyr because I'm fucking over mfd
humble rivet
replace dancing steel talent with
humble rivet
a stronger cannon ball barrage
wheat onyx
deathspike+mfd law on rygelon? <:pausechamp:833959948010258462>
instantly yes
give dancing steel wits
Ks summon dread pirates
make loaded dice cause your RTB to always roll at least a match
hot crystal
humble rivet
make dreadblades have greed
modest lion
idk, i honestly liked cannonball barrage, and was sad that it was never good enough
humble rivet
same tbh
modest lion
one of the few thematic spells the spec had
humble rivet
if anything it was iconic for outlaw
hollow seal
Loaded dice should just give 1 additional random buff for Xseconds when you cast AR
and make it work like old tier19
wheat onyx
loaded dice should just cause you to always roll 2
hollow seal
where if you reroll the buff changes
hollow seal
were it x seconds you could actually tune the talent
wheat onyx
were it x seconds you could actually tune the talent
yeah thats fair
but man, i want to just always roll 2
humble rivet
make loaded dice add harlins dice stat buffs per roll
wheat onyx
modest lion
loaded dice should just be an active ability that grants you a buff you dont yet have
on a cooldown, ofc
wheat onyx
modest lion
all rogue specs should have a way to boost damage of builders/finishers but lower energy generation
overcapping is fucking awful
wheat onyx
id be a great ideas guy for blizzard
let me tell you
first idea, remove mages
second idea, remove boomkins
humble rivet
promoted
hot crystal
Mages arent people
pulsar trail
first idea, remove mages
you have my support already
wheat onyx
third idea, remove parrying
pulsar trail
you can stop selling me
hollow seal
some other specs spend more focus/rage/anger/hatred when they are nearly capped for additional bonuses
humble rivet
right off the bat
wheat onyx
mage as a class attracts mage players
pulsar trail
for ONE tier
wheat onyx
whhich is the thing
hot crystal
third idea, remove parrying
Ill pay you if you can get this through
hollow seal
extra mut crit chance, extra SS double hit are both things that could consume spare energy
modest lion
its like sweden and swedish people. great country, if it werent for the people living in it
hollow seal
and I'm sure sub has something you could slap onto a generator
wheat onyx
@hollow seal "killing spree lasts until you run out of energy"
humble rivet
outlaw should have a passive like fire mages
humble rivet
to make ss proc pistol without rng silliness
wheat onyx
gn
hollow seal
gn
modest lion
have fun brainstorming for a dead spec
humble rivet
gn
wheat onyx
fk u bitch
hot crystal
gn
hollow seal
okay
inner wadi
parry is so fucking stupid
hot crystal
I hate parry bro
pulsar trail
I feel like KS used to make you immune when it first came out, unless I'm misremembering
hollow seal
I love that bosses erratically spin
hot crystal
When shiv gets parried i want to int the raid so i can get another pull
hollow seal
and just get shit parried
tawny glen
Parry ghostly strike 
wheat onyx
"killing spree; all damage outlaw deals is doubled, lasts until you run out of energy" - youd make it have a cd, and then it would rampingly drain energy per second
inner wadi
parry is a dumb fucking mechanic
humble rivet
hmm that would give outlaw a actual burst
tawny glen
Halondrus is so satisfying because the crab has no parry 
hot crystal
Uncap outlaw
wheat onyx
like for the sake of understanding, 1 energy per second for 10 seconds, 2 energy per second after 10 seconds for 10 seconds, 3 eneryg per second after 30 seconds for 10 seconds etc
hot crystal
Halondrus is so satisfying because the crab has no parry <:Okayge:91152207279725...
TRUE i have no fear
humble rivet
but then we will be pigeon holed on tal;ents that up eneergy regen
wheat onyx
way to make energy stacking good\
humble rivet
aka vigor
wheat onyx
vigor
humble rivet
alac
humble rivet
quick draw
hollow seal
I think during AR you should be able to overcap on energy
humble rivet
for my killing spree
cyan oxide
bro what if outlaw could use double daggers
hollow seal
then after AR ends the spare energy is returned to you over 30 seconds
cyan oxide
and maybe have shadow dance and symbols of death
hot crystal
bro what if outlaw could use double daggers
Daggers
cyan oxide
and maybe not exist
tawny glen
bro what if outlaw could use double daggers
It did in bfa
wheat onyx
and maybe have shadow dance and symbols of death
its called kyrian sub?
hollow seal
combat daggers
haven't heard that one in a long time
humble rivet
combat
cyan oxide
its called kyrian sub?
yea just delete outlaw
modest lion
make bladeflurry a toggle again, make it so that builders and finishers deal 20% more damage while it is active, but also consume 20% more energy. done.
cyan oxide
humble rivet
legit the only reason why im gonna play lk classic
hollow seal
make it so BF can trigger BF
tawny glen
Although kyrian sub definitely feels a bit outlaw to me
hollow seal
this effect can chain
tawny glen
Which I enjoy
wheat onyx
seli rn
hot crystal
Danger to society fr
humble rivet
Im playing mop classic i want to play mop
a man of culture
modest lion
IM BRUSHING MY TEETH OKAY
hollow seal
I wish the BF active did more
humble rivet
mop was
hollow seal
I actually like the idea of current BF
humble rivet
mphm
hollow seal
if only the active just did something
hollow seal
make it a proper generator
modest lion
i can shitpost onehanded
hollow seal
make it just actually do damage
humble rivet
bf was strong enough to use in st
hollow seal
anything
hot crystal
Cant wait for SL classic
wheat onyx
classic wrath is likely the last classic server
hollow seal
actually I think letting the BF hit trigger the BF passive is a good fix for the skill lol
the old bug from beta
hot crystal
Isnt cata still boomer wow tho
modest lion
dear blizzard. give back anticipation. thanks. regards, all rogues.
hollow seal
since it would then only do significant damage in actual aoe
pulsar trail
which sucks cuz I missed mop
wheat onyx
everything before wod is boomer wow
but like, cata is when the game became very different
tawny glen
Isnt cata still boomer wow tho
Cata was "modern" wow
wheat onyx
yeah
hot crystal
The two expacs i would actually want to do as classic are mop and legion because i started 9.0
tawny glen
I'd say big shifts happened during cata and legion
pulsar trail
everything before wod is boomer wow
back in my day we had to download an excel spreadsheet to sim ourselves
hot crystal
Unlucly i guess lol
pulsar trail
humble rivet
cata was when wow started to change
hollow seal
I only started engaging with sims in wod lol
wheat onyx
Cata, and wod were the 2 biggest shifts in wow to me
hot crystal
I really wish i had known wow was a good game when legion was going on
hollow seal
downloading simc 'nightly' to my computer
burnt dock
Same
hollow seal
running a slow ass 100k iteration sim
tawny glen
Ppl in classic still use excel spreadsheets I think
pulsar trail
I only started engaging with sims in wod lol
you didn't miss anything, the spreadsheet was confusing af
wheat onyx
Same
if it makes you feel any better, people were equally negative about legion when it was out
hollow seal
I wish I could get the raidbots ui locally
wheat onyx
every wow expansion is "bad and terrible"
hollow seal
I would actually run sims myself a lot more
wheat onyx
until its over, and then its good
hollow seal
just because I could run something truely massive and come back in an hour
burnt dock
Oh no that I was there for
median gale
every wow expansion is "bad and terrible"
Wotlk was good :(
tawny glen
I didn't play cata but it seems like the expansion brought in a lot of really good long term features
burnt dock
I'm on record of hating the vast majority of legion
hot crystal
until its over, and then its good
Except bfa right.....
burnt dock
hot crystal
Oh wait
humble rivet
every expansion before is betetr than the current
humble rivet
bfa i considered to be shit
wheat onyx
see
hot crystal
Literallt everyone rn is like bfa wasnt that bad
median gale
Except bfa right.....
Atleast it isnt pre 9.2 slands 
wheat onyx
humble rivet
i still consider bfa to be a kinda lame expansion
wheat onyx
bfa is when i became a person
burnt dock
Bfa didn't make me quit
modest lion
me and lok are BFA LOVERS
That's why no one takes you seriously
tawny glen
Literallt everyone rn is like bfa wasnt that bad
If you were a casual who didn't raid like me
burnt dock
I guess there's that
humble rivet
but overal people like bfa for a load of good reasons
wheat onyx
That's why no one takes you seriously
1 blocked message
hollow seal
doing mythic crucible straight out of a guild that was barely getting Jaina down
tawny glen
Raiders hate mechagon
I love mechagon
hollow seal
the was the first and last time I played sin too
humble rivet
and i can see and respect those reasons. cough aces cough
wheat onyx
my biggest disappointment of BFA is not getting to do uunat
hollow seal
uunat made you play sin
wheat onyx
my next biggest is not being able to do TOS
humble rivet
but overal, i was really happy to see bfa go
wheat onyx
tawny glen
Casuals didn't need to worry about ap grind as well
modest lion
Btw guy, there's a special neck in sepulcher, do you think it's good? It's called iris something
hollow seal
oof
humble rivet
sl i enjoyed at first, but all the stuff happened which kinda killed sl as a expansion
humble rivet
i do too
hollow seal
I've had a lot of fun with SL
humble rivet
i see its potential and i love alot of the new systems added in sl
burnt dock
Then we went back instead of killing m ashvane and killed it in two pulls
modest lion
||i like sl||
1 blocked message.
burnt dock
tawny glen
Content drought is the biggest issue with sl
wheat onyx
just a bit of a shame due tot he content drought
humble rivet
but overal covid and scandal's hindered its potential
hollow seal
there isn't really anything specific to SL that I have a problem with
outside of covenant swapping
humble rivet
which directly led to the content drought
hot crystal
Yeah i think the content we got in SL was pretty ok, but qol came pretty late
hollow seal
unless we count the return of tier as a mechanic
wheat onyx
i think there was a canceled mini tier
pulsar trail
covenant swapping, conduit energy, less loot to try to make "loot feel better"
wheat onyx
idk about a full tier
humble rivet
well mini or full
hollow seal
just onetrick
I never ran out of conduit energy on any character
it's just that easy
tawny glen
I kinda wish the catalyst became available earlier
wheat onyx
i feel like there was suppose to be a KJ, helya raid
humble rivet
something got canceled which kinda disrupted the flow of the story and content
burnt dock
People are still convinced 9.2.5 will have a mini raid
wheat onyx
and it just never happened
hot crystal
i think there was a canceled mini tier
Yeah a drust mini raid seems pretty likely tbh
burnt dock
So idk
tawny glen
Still sitting at 1/4 😔
humble rivet
i feel like there was suppose to be a KJ, helya raid
exactly
hot crystal
Like it was gonna happen
pulsar trail
I ran out of conduit energy so much in 9.0
humble rivet
helya is gone, mezula loa gone
hot crystal
Isnt kj dead or smth
humble rivet
nathanos gone
modest lion
Yeah helya just randomly dying was so fucking weird
hollow seal
wait
burnt dock
That made no fucking sense to me
hollow seal
when did she even die
wheat onyx
during the korthia quest
tawny glen
Primus just yeeted helya lmao
hot crystal
9.1 campaign
humble rivet
the amount of stuyff that feels like should be biggger but isnt, is staggering
burnt dock
Yep
pulsar trail
y'all paid attention to any of that?
wheat onyx
lok skipped the cutscene
modest lion
Nah
hollow seal
idfk
tawny glen
To be fair it just shows how powerful the primus was
wheat onyx
hollow seal
I assumed she survived
humble rivet
conduits have extra levels that we cant get
pulsar trail
I haven't watched one cut scene that I could skip
hot crystal
Bro only cutscenes i dont skip are raid end cutscenes
humble rivet
but i guess you can say its the "empowered" conduit" data
wheat onyx
cutscene skippers 
hollow seal
we are still 1 level short of the cap I think
burnt dock
Should've skipped the jailer ones
pulsar trail
I'm not wasting my time watching this dogshit lore
hollow seal
which if anything tells me they axed the renown we were going to get this tier
humble rivet
just alot of things, are weird and outof place and cut
modest lion
And i do love how they made a big deal about tyrande killing Nathanos and how that was kinda his plan, and now the writers just forgot about him
cyan oxide
cutscene skippers <:DOUBTERS:758258848036683786>
imagine watching the lore
hollow seal
more conduit empowerments up to 100 renown
cyan oxide
L 
R E
tawny glen
I do think ppl overreacted to shadowlands lore too much tho
wheat onyx
true
humble rivet
100% felt like we were supposed to have a conduit tree extensionm
hollow seal
people just like to be angry
cyan oxide
i just found out the runecarver is the primus
hollow seal
80% of it is fine
humble rivet
but they cut it due to grind
cyan oxide
pulsar trail
And i do love how they made a big deal about tyrande killing Nathanos and how th...
I forgot about him after bod too
its fine
modest lion
I love gaining a higher ilvl conduit so i can deal .2% more damage. Major expansion feature btw
tawny glen
Especially with dreadlords transforming into random npc's in raid
hollow seal
sylvanas deciding to randomly become evil is my primary complaint
wheat onyx
the last like, huge story in wow was arthas
burnt dock
Story's been bad a lot longer than sl
humble rivet
^
burnt dock
People tend to forget
hollow seal
true
wheat onyx
for the most part, wow story has been really corny, full of holes, not too serious etc
pulsar trail
I love gaining a higher ilvl conduit so i can deal .2% more damage. Major expans...
HUGE DAMAGE