I mean realistically if you raid at that level
#off-topic
pulsar trail
serene crescent
And then get annoyed when he chooses outlaw
pulsar trail
fun gets thrown out of the window
wheat ore
Like in reclear if I was outlaw otp I'm talenting outlaw and muting anyone that says go sub
They can redo CDs
undone bone
well tbh depends wow has been ramping in META ayaya
wheat onyx
fun gets thrown out of the window
Which obviously I'm not SUPER fond of, but like, I've enjoyed sub on tiers before
And I enjoyed sin this tier
But holy fuck
pulsar trail
like if you don't trust your player to make the most educated choice
wheat onyx
THIS Sub rogue version is so dick and balls
pulsar trail
like ?????
undone bone
some of them do others dont
pulsar trail
Which obviously I'm not SUPER fond of, but like, I've enjoyed sub on tiers befor...
dust is pretty aids
wheat onyx
dust just breaks my brain
serene crescent
Dust is aids because of desynced cds
wheat ore
It breaks my brain in keys
serene crescent
That's the only reason
wheat ore
But in raid it's chilling
serene crescent
It's dog
wheat onyx
flag should just be a 2 min cd
pulsar trail
like I dislike CDR mechanics in general, but when it's huge chunks of CDR it's even more annoying to me
wheat onyx
pulsar trail
when assa played duskwalkers
wheat ore
flag should just be a 2 min cd
1 min
pulsar trail
I malded every fucking time
wheat ore
It would be sick with dust as well
serene crescent
No it wouldn't
wheat ore
The 2nd charge doesn't even matter mostly
serene crescent
It would be even more rigid
wheat onyx
the fact its 2 charges of -30 seconds on CDR with like, all these asychronous CDs is just too DUMB
pulsar trail
funny enough I've never had a RL doubt my decision to play a spec
I progged almost every boss as assa last tier
and no one said a thing
serene crescent
Me either
undone bone
the garrote incident tho
wheat onyx
I just cant play current sub lol
serene crescent
I'm a freak
wheat onyx
That's my biggest issue
Its like the only time I've ever been so unable to play a spec before
wheat ore
I played sub for 400 tindral wipes
I had them asking if sub was better after 100 tindral p1 wipes
serene crescent
It's easy
wheat onyx
lmao
serene crescent
It's literally press button at time it doesn't get any easier
wheat onyx
Thats hard for me 
pulsar trail
I just cant play current sub lol
yea I mean if it doesn't work with your brain there's not much you can do
pulsar trail
like people told me "fire mage is easy"
and it just didn't work with my brain
so I was always shit at it
wheat ore
Dust doesn't work with my brain in keys 100%
serene crescent
Sin nerf was on fyrakk for me and I swapped sub there
serene crescent
so I was always shit at it
Enh shaman is outlaw if it was worse than it is now
undone bone
i like dust a lot but it can be hard to plan on the go
wheat ore
Keys it changes so much based on group and u have to omega calculator ur CDs to be up for big pulls
pulsar trail
Enh shaman is outlaw if it was worse than it is now
I might fuck around and pull some outlaw on farm
serene crescent
Hey guys remember this list of priority and press it as it procs
But you don't know when it's gonna proc
Enh is the most anti fun spec I've played this xpac
pulsar trail
yeah I tried playing it in 10.0
and didn't make it past level 62
lmao
I told myself I'd rather play outlaw
at least outlaw is fun
pulsar trail
I made it to grey logging 6/9 Mythic
I got you beat
pulsar trail
you ready for these sick alt heroic split parses?
undone bone
my warrior is a menace
pulsar trail
@serene crescent
I had tank trinkets on
cause my pally was only prot
MULTI CLASS FREAKAZOID
wheat ore
Is ww actually feel good now or people like it cause it's not bottom tier dmg
wheat onyx
Yeah like usually the way I learn and improve on specs is learning all the micro stuff first and then just "Feeling stuff out" from there and asking questions
the fact that sub is like "learn the raidplan and GG" is just incongruent
pulsar trail
my fav part about sub
wheat ore
How much sub did you play
pulsar trail
is how the timings are always different
serene crescent
pulsar trail
even when you follow your script
wheat onyx
How much sub did you play
I spent 5 hours in total on a training dummy
wheat ore
Cause it took a while to get used to it
pulsar trail
it's always a ~10s off
wheat onyx
it's always a ~10s off
yep
serene crescent
Not for me
serene crescent
On fyrakk
pulsar trail
that's a fucking lie
pulsar trail
there's literally no way
wheat ore
Ye u need to send symbols in pandemic
Try it on hc bosses a bunch it helped me
Dummy I was clueless
So I do dance -> it runs out -> finish eviscerates -> vanish symbols strike
wheat ore
Especially with s2 tier
undone bone
yea even more
wheat ore
tbh making symbols not refresh was evil
It does pandemic tho
undone bone
not if im a time wizard
wheat ore
You can cast symbols on 3s left of ur current symbols
undone bone
yea
maybe it is a pitfall of code horror
of someone who already left
from legion
and it is quarantined
DO NOT TOUCH
or westfall disappears
wheat ore
Like yeah there is a ton of minmax stuff but generally things will line up well if you play swift death
If you don't, it becomes more awkward because your symbols may not be up when your flag is ready
In this case I usually hold my flag + blades because resetting symbols is absolutely crucial
serene crescent
unless you never got firestorm once
You've perused the logs so you can see how consistent button pushes were
serene crescent
See everything you are saying is what I hate about this spec
The rtb and KiR conditions are a fucking abomination so it works both ways 😂
wheat onyx
Oh yeah I mean diff specs are ahrd for diff ppl
But I just am really bad at current sub
wheat onyx
LOL
wheat ore
Nah it's just practice
wheat onyx
I think im getting in call with stealthi tomorrow or smhting
wheat ore
Dummy won't give you enough info
serene crescent
Probably for the best
wheat ore
At least it didn't for me
serene crescent
Kush is master feelycrafter
wheat onyx
This was suppose to be the fun tier 
wheat ore
I ran a bunch of boosting HCs and it took me like 50 smold pulls to really get it down
serene crescent
Just does good damage cos sub isn't punished much for minor errors
wheat ore
I have no clue why you have to play sub on reprog btw outlaw ties or beats it almost every boss
Only like.. tindral or smold does sub win
serene crescent
Even changing talents doesn't matter cos all the talents fucking suck
wheat ore
Just does good damage cos sub isn't punished much for minor errors
As long as you don't fuck up ur vanish reset on your symbols ur good
serene crescent
It's straight up
wheat ore
Ofc making sure to pull either blades or flag as well
wheat ore
People are hard minmaxing cold blood
undone bone
there is some aspect where you have to think a bit like on a double dance with flag no vanish
wheat ore
But it's not that necessary
serene crescent
I mean
undone bone
but those are rare
serene crescent
It's more damage for sure
serene crescent
And you know it is
wheat ore
Most of the sub minmaxing is to get 2x cold blood in ur CDs
serene crescent
But its not impactful at all
wheat ore
But that's not that important compared to core loop
undone bone
hey we fight for every 0.3% we get
serene crescent
Doing it right
undone bone
it is a cummulative gain
serene crescent
Especially cos it's just as easy to count to 5
wheat ore
Especially cos it's just as easy to count to 5
I just watch my cold blood cd and send when it says 5
serene crescent
So hard right
wheat ore
Probably should be doing it on 4 I think it clips sometimes
serene crescent
undone bone
shadowcraft surprise cracks
wheat ore
So it's an extra global
wheat onyx
i dont like current sub 
serene crescent
You don't like any sub
wheat onyx
You don't like any sub
Nah I liked sepulcur
wheat ore
Prog a boss with it and it's fkin chilling
serene crescent
and that's the second worst it's ever been
undone bone
not sepulcher
serene crescent
Ur cooked
past lagoon
i dont like current sub <:dracthyr_shrug:1002454156751151145>
I dont either but you be bitchin bout the spec every patch shit go crazy
Dust needs to die!!!
wheat ore
Any ER sub iteration was awful
Worse than dust
Just complete aids rng minigame
Especially with that dumb PV conduit
Weaving backstabs into rota
past lagoon
Sepulcher sub was the worst iteration ive ever played
wheat onyx
I dont either but you be bitchin bout the spec every patch shit go crazy
I liked sub in sanctun, sepelcur, and I liked it in aberus I just think rogue in general was in a poor state
serene crescent
No one prays more for rogue downfall than rogues
serene crescent
Sepulchur sub was the 2nd worst gameplay sub has ever had
undone bone
not all subs are the hated the same
serene crescent
Dust is 1st
wheat ore
I liked sub in sanctun, sepelcur, and I liked it in aberus I just think rogue in...
Sub was so good early and then you got to sark and it was worst spec in the game
wheat ore
not all subs are the hated the same
The cursed exodia build
past lagoon
Wow sucks big balls tho i cant wait to kill fyrakk and not login until war within
serene crescent
wheat ore
Unironically I really liked sub gameplay in vault and aberrus
Idk why people hated the dmg profile
past lagoon
Ye well you’re also stupid
undone bone
stabber profiled
wheat ore
It was so chill
past lagoon
So no one cares
serene crescent
undone bone
damn that jab
wheat onyx
Idm the ER thing in sepulcur
peak solar
vault was fine
wheat ore
They hate us cause they anus
wheat onyx
I mean I just enjoy when I can "Play" a spec
and idk, u can't really "play" current sub
Its just following a list
undone bone
calculate and plan
peak solar
lil less rng and ur gucci
wheat ore
Aberrus was same thing as vault just we were tuned worse so people hated sub more because low numbers is unfun
serene crescent
Current sub is flat out the most auto pilot it ever been
past lagoon
Dust is shit and should not be allowed to be the base gameplay
serene crescent
No
undone bone
think i disliked more initial WoD sub than these ones
it was kinda oofers
MoP also had its rough edges
serene crescent
I did not in fact have a note with CD timings in season two
undone bone
cata was special
peak solar
new talents came out how long ago and dust is still a thing
wheat ore
Current sub is flat out the most auto pilot it ever been
Go autopilot dust in a key and compare to s2 sub m+
wheat ore
Man is cracked
ornate aspen
Have you heard about our lord and saviour death from above?
wheat ore
Now the question is do I skip my 2nd blades in fyrakk p1 to save a vanish charge for p2/3
hasty nova
ornate aspen
Now the question is do I skip my 2nd blades in fyrakk p1 to save a vanish charge...
P1 is irrelevant
past lagoon
If you can phase without your cds then ye thats what you should probably do
wheat ore
I know but what gives me bigger boss dmg parse
past lagoon
Bcuz useless phase
pulsar trail
@wheat onyx for your soundboard needs
undone bone
i wonder if they change rogue ability names
pulsar trail
hasty nova
subtle quail
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
102: You're not being very chill but we can work on it. Do a lap and reassess your vibe.
undone bone
big boi
past lagoon
Mirror pog
I just know ggg is coming with the hottest dog piss mech next league surely
They cant keep making good stuff surely
Lake of Kalandra 2
wheat onyx
Also;
wheat onyx
Cuz we do sales and I don't get PI anymore cuz we raid with an unholy DK who has the legendary
past lagoon
Play outlaw????
wheat onyx
Not allowed
sinful terrace
pulsar trail
outside of smolderon where is it actually throwing by playing something other than sub
wheat ore
Cuz we do sales and I don't get PI anymore cuz we raid with an unholy DK who has...
We raid with unholy dk who has legendary
And our assa still gets PI
Your RL is redpilled
wheat onyx
I just do what I'm told man
THey will see I won't do damage on sub because I'm both not h appy and struggle to actually grasp how to play it well
I only got the last 2 pis on fyrak prog too 
wheat ore
Just ask to be benched 1 week for fyrakk
They will work out CDs with no rogue
Next week you come in with law
It's no problem
past lagoon
Nah man you gotta leave that guild how you playing in a guild where you’re NOT ALLOWED to play something on farm lmfao crazy
calm elbow
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
13: Go take a nap big guy, get some rest. 
wheat ore
It's ok to ask you to switch if you play it and it starts causing a lot of wipes like 5-10+
But not allowing u to play it beforehand is Nazi behavior
wheat ore
Our warlock went affliction 2nd raszageth reclear and no one said shit
First aff world on the boss
wet cradle
!vibe waking up at 9:45
hollow ravenBOT
434: On cloud 9 biggest vibe in the room! No @s, no cameras, no questions.
past lagoon
I saw guy upset about sub i had to step in and sort things out
heady oriole
Haha exactly
wheat ore
People are just averse to change
wheat onyx
I saw guy upset about sub i had to step in and sort things out
Any time I talk about sub its like the bat signal
past lagoon
Lmfao
ripe wasp
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
121: You're not being very chill but we can work on it. Do a lap and reassess your vibe.
past lagoon
I looked in ot saw the word sub and started typing
heady oriole
Guy. the only green+ figure in RH that can’t play what he wants 
wheat onyx
subtle quail
#freeguy
heady oriole
#FreeGuy
wheat onyx
I dont wanna sit here for 4 hours learning sub 3 weeks after we killed the last boss bro
Leme play monster hunter
past lagoon
Unlucky
past lagoon
Idk how you do it tbh
I already dislike logging in for 12 hours a week to attack this awful raid
Doing it on a spec i have literal negative enjoyment playing
Hell nah
wheat onyx
Idk how you do it tbh
I like the ppl I just hate the mentality ppl have about specs in here
heady oriole
I think I said this before
past lagoon
I mean play WoW rn in general in your situation
heady oriole
"Outlaw TC not allowed to play outlaw in raid"
past lagoon
I am literally quitting immediately after fyrakk dies until war within
wheat onyx
That's valid
past lagoon
This raid is so fucking bad
flat scaffold
im enjoying it alot
undone bone
yea man i even do pugs of council HC every day
wheat onyx
I like the raid
past lagoon
Id actually rather castrate myself no anesthetic than reclear council of dreams every week
flat scaffold
im benched on council
unique isle
It's the best raid DF imo, by some decent margain, not that it's hard to get that title
undone bone
razageth fated will be cool
past lagoon
Whoever made council of dreams should legitimately never be allowed to do any serious project ever again because they are evil
undone bone
it was a decent bos
unique isle
Council Stinks, but so did aberrus council or dathea
undone bone
Whoever made council of dreams should legitimately never be allowed to do any se...
what is the mechanic? you fuck up people's will to live
ok
past lagoon
Its not only council
flat scaffold
council fights are just never fun
undone bone
send to prod
flat scaffold
i really like tindral and fyrakk
undone bone
tindral was ok just too hard for us
past lagoon
How
past lagoon
They are bosses overloaded to the teeth with 1 guy screw up everyone die
Tindral maybe not as much anymore with nerfs
undone bone
has been for a while i kinda gave up on those
flat scaffold
i like when bosses are extremely hard
and require people to be fully locked in for 7min straight
past lagoon
Ye were just playing the game for different reasons then ig
undone bone
tindral had a bit of uu'nat/ helya angle
past lagoon
Oh yea also I love needing these quirky weakauras to make life easier and then they dont work for someone and it causes issues
past lagoon
All cause blizzard decided to make privateauras to combat wfr and weakauras
Even though they said they aren’t going to try and compete with them anymore and make shit specifically targetted to challenge them
Fucking blizzard dev moment
Just lie
Balancing this patch has been pretty cool too assassination literally gets turbo ass fucked when it occupies the same thing unholy dk does yet unholy dk receives no nerfs entire last patch meanwhile assa gets nuked from orbit
wheat onyx
Its literally vault 
Sin is better
gets obliterated
sub is just equally as good prenerf
Gets 0 nerfs
past lagoon
Ye well fortunately they balance partially off popularity which is a funny metric to balance off
And no one played sub so
Pretty cool
pulsar trail
and the fact that dust is confusing as fuck didn't help
past lagoon
I really like the unequal treatment of assa and unholy dk though between patches
Very cool stuff
pulsar trail
like I always ask myself how would I explain current sub rogue to someone who's never played it before and ngl I don't know where to even start
past lagoon
Dust is bad i cant wait for realz to make it not good to just be spec’d into perma at start of xpac
pulsar trail
dust being the best build killed all the hype for me at tier start
past lagoon
I wish it would just be eradicated completely but wont be sadly
pulsar trail
cause I hate current assa
and no one can convince me its fun
because it's not
people just like it cause "haha big number gud"
heady oriole
What don't you like about it? Just the same thing over and over with each CD window?
pulsar trail
everything is around your KB window, your KB window is chaining envenoms until KB explodes for a bajillion damage
it's a fuckin snoozefest man
heady oriole
undone bone
and the worst part is that
that KB has already been nerfed by 50%
instead of making other changes to the spec
waxen latch
cause I hate current assa
i dont hate it, but man
assa turning into."kingsbane, the spec" just feels so wrong after 1 week
pulsar trail
I was hoping for more for assa in m+
wheat onyx
I like current sin its pretty cozy
pulsar trail
and it just kinda "got better"
but like not by enough
cause all your damage is fucking kingsbane
and it's borderline useless on anything less than a 26
waxen latch
I like current sin its pretty cozy
would prefer a more even dmg spread
instead of what oxi said, all kingsbane
pulsar trail
like it's better than "lol play DtB everywhere" snooze
waxen latch
its a cool ability, but man, just way to dominant
ornate iris
yall think bringing back old ic in some capacity would be better?
Just instant 8 mobs
pulsar trail
I was a big fan of old KB + IC in keys
they can keep new IC idc
IC was always kinda irrelevant to me, just a QoL thing
past lagoon
who do i have to pay for ALL EXTERNALS to be deleted including wft and anything else that can influence anything
pulsar trail
didn't seem very capstone worthy
past lagoon
ill literally sign a paper to garnish my wages for the rest of my life for this to happen
ornate iris
i just think the ic thing with having to restealth is iffy asf
past lagoon
aug was a mistake
undone bone
aug was a nuclear bomb
pulsar trail
aug was the biggest mistake ever
ornate iris
Especially since vanish and sd are both dps cooldowns
pulsar trail
that was blizzard telling us externals are here to stay
undone bone
literally made game unfun
pulsar trail
Especially since vanish and sd are both dps cooldowns
I've always despised vanish being a DPS cooldown
heady oriole
Yee
ornate iris
we’ve only seen like 4 hero talent trees and two of them had externals already (1 being aug but still)
undone bone
not like vanish being dps
undone bone
yea everyone will be able to help their teammates!
waxen latch
who do i have to pay for ALL EXTERNALS to be deleted including wft and anything ...
suck it up bozo, externals are good, here is Augmentation, trust us we can balance it
"2months later"
oh, new patch and augmention is a perma locked in spec cus of the external spam and also a shitton of hook are broken and we still didnt fix them all, but dont worry, we give Paladin a external buff hero tree in TWW, and it will work, trus us 😉
undone bone
(but you only take the best ones in raid)
waxen latch
i hate blizz sometimes
ornate iris
That they are taking the whole “aug won’t be as broken if blizz adds more support abilities” yapping too far
past lagoon
yo im ngl that paladin tree for weapon dropping looked like hot piss
undone bone
why is pi stilla think
flat scaffold
real as fuck
im doing a non shadowdust reclear this week
undone bone
who the f knows!
ornate iris
yo im ngl that paladin tree for weapon dropping looked like hot piss
It is
Clunky as hell and barely buffs anyone
past lagoon
like holy fuck for the sake of prot palas and holy i hope their alternative is just better
ornate iris
I mean it’ll be changed
to some auto buff shit instead of place on ground
and probably be a bit stronger
Still bland asf though
waxen latch
why is pi stilla think
what i like about pi
atleast they can hide behind "yeha but the ultra casuals LOVE augmention!!111!!"
but litearlly everyone hates pi, all players on all skilp levels lol
like, why does it exist at all
ornate iris
The main reason I think casuals love aug is because its a spec where most people don’t notice if you’re doing fuck all
ornate iris
Like 90% of people don’t realize their aug has 40% uptime or whatever the fuck
waxen latch
Still bland asf though
tbf, all the preview trees are bleak as hell and dont give me confidence rn
like they showed us:
"fury warrior is using thunderclap on cd now"
"we make lightwell work this time, trust us!!!!!!!"
and "evoker gets 10 different passive % buffs"
pulsar trail
SURELY lightwell will work now
ornate iris
Evoker getting blink was cool
pulsar trail
they got the technology
past lagoon
idk i feel like people overblow aug lol that spec has a set rotation that just changes for whatever guild youre in
pulsar trail
ornate iris
Also the first one they showed (boomie resto) was pretty sick too
treants pressing moonfire for you
kinda fun
pulsar trail
honestly watching blizzard gut assassination for the 2nd time this expansion via overnerf, watching them shove dust down our throat
all my hype for next expac is like dead
past lagoon
the worst cringe about that spec is that youre reliant on the guy youre buffing being a non shit dog so
ornate iris
the only thing i expect from hero talents is to just make one irrelevant button on a spec part of rotation again
waxen latch
honestly watching blizzard gut assassination for the 2nd time this expansion via...
yes
during vault?
sure, happens
shity, but happens, was just stupid that they didnt correct it at all
and now its the SAME fucking thing again
past lagoon
if i dont see some new replcaement talents for sub in regular tree im worried
ornate iris
ay man
ornate iris
The season 2 m+ cabal needed their god comp back
pulsar trail
if i dont see some new replcaement talents for sub in regular tree im worried
after SL alpha/beta what's there to worry about?
surely they won't forget about us 2 out of the last 3 expacs
undone bone
yea man i hope we get artifact power back
pulsar trail
speaking of remembering us
where the fuck are my pickpocket crimson vial buffs
they nerfed it for those buffs
where are they
undone bone
with the coin of air trader across expansions
you can talk to griftah
and buy some magic dust to sniff
pulsar trail
waxen latch
after SL alpha/beta what's there to worry about? <:KEKW:660326255622619146>
its just S1 bro, they Experimenting with hero talents bro, cant change stuff yet bro
cant wait for that
pulsar trail
remember SL beta
waxen latch
pulsar trail
where 2 of our covenant abilities didn't exist?
waxen latch
remember the OG venthyr ability
undone bone
SÑAUGHTER
waxen latch
aka
pulsar trail
and all 3 specs had [Missing] for talents?
waxen latch
leeching poison
undone bone
stronger ambush
past lagoon
red ambush + deadly poison
waxen latch
waxen latch
red ambush + deadly poison
for assa just ambush+leeching poison
pulsar trail
which btw none of it got fixed until like 3 weeks before launch
undone bone
funniest shit was you could proc odds on assa/sub
waxen latch
actually hilarious
pulsar trail
TRUE
undone bone
also alpha sepsis being an execure then changing to a vanish thing
then changing to a boring ass dot
undone bone
that did piss
past lagoon
cause the first version would have been a good contender
undone bone
yea man and sanguinary veing got thrown
past lagoon
and also cool
undone bone
yea with deathly shadows/MA
ornate iris
Imagine if for the outlaw sub talent tree
undone bone
but noooo
waxen latch
don't worry guys they gave us snd back
meanwhile mage getting alter time and 45sec 15% dr mirror images as baseline ability:
pulsar trail
I think that was the most insulting thing about SL tbh
undone bone
cant have mobs reset
ornate iris
They make pickpocket a rotational ability
ornate iris
pulsar trail
undone bone
they will make tricks our tier
past lagoon
that doesnt even sound all that awful
heady oriole
I will smack you both
pulsar trail
they will make tricks our tier
bring back the old tricks glyph
undone bone
like in firelands
ornate iris
Honestly
past lagoon
I actually wouldnt mind that if it wasn't hyper rng
heady oriole
:|
heady oriole
!rtb 5 ban DK and Tie for their suggestion
pulsar trail
they better fire whoever designed sophic devotion
hollow ravenBOT
:game_die:Buried Treasure
pulsar trail
that's all I'm saying
unique isle
PVP DMG Buffs Tricks as another external for war within trees 
ornate iris
Just make pickpocket steal their weapons and temporarily reduce damage from mobs or something
undone bone
and why do we only get the haste devotion
waxen latch
they better fire whoever designed sophic devotion
wdym, just be @timid kayak and have a 40% uptime on it
undone bone
dw third option is a frost damage proc
that got nerfed twice!
heady oriole
past lagoon
i just hope deathstalker is sick cause it sounds sick
undone bone
same as glacial phial
ornate iris
didnt sl have very similar enchants
long patio
at least the frost one is independent of your cds
undone bone
make thing do dmg
ornate iris
like why wasnt this an issue back then aswell
undone bone
oh it does dmg
pulsar trail
didnt sl have very similar enchants
yeah but they were fixed procs iirc
or not as impactful
undone bone
nerf it 3 times
pulsar trail
I don't remember tbh
ornate iris
Seems on an equal level
undone bone
friendly reminder for a while you could play a green dagger with galeforce striking
and it was better than any SL weapon
ornate iris
they should just get chatgpt to do the balancing / class reworks honestly
undone bone
contribution
ornate iris
the ai kind of cooked
pulsar trail
maybe we didn't notice our enchants in SL because rogue was fucking dogshit
ornate iris
when we asked it few months back
pulsar trail
until dom shards and sylv daggers carried our damage
undone bone
the one that made a wave go wooosh
pulsar trail
lmao
undone bone
that also got nerfed three times
ornate iris
nah man wdym sub was so strong in s3 it got nerfed man
pulsar trail
assa got like what? 52% aura buffs by 9.0.5?
ornate iris
waxen latch
assa got like what? 52% aura buffs by 9.0.5?
i still wanna know how shit like that can even release
and ye
assa without CttC
ornate iris
ay at least like
pulsar trail
they brought sephuz off of overwatch/hearthstone to fix rogue
waxen latch
legit unplayable with how dogshit it was
ornate iris
Balance wise the damage spread has gotten closer over last few patches compared to SL
pulsar trail
sephuz quitting blizzard was the worst thing to ever happen to rogue
we have realz now, and thank god
ornate iris
Just gotta get better at designing fun classes though
waxen latch
fight starts, activate snd->apply garrote->apply rupture->new snd cus you had 0energy
ornate iris
he really made a tier set based around button nobody took and dipped
undone bone
i still wanna know how shit like that can even release
for most of BfA enha had a -60% or so aura nerf on all their abilities
pulsar trail
because you hope your arms grow a mind of your own and beat you over the head with a bat
undone bone
or something crazy
unique isle
they also buffed cleave damage
The Cleave dmg is gonna carry us to another WF Arms Kill after Tindral
unique isle
nvm someone got it on reclear
pulsar trail
"feral aoe is a little weak, so we're going to buff their ST"
like oh okay
"Ret doesn't like having to hard pick between aoe and ST talents, OKAY WE BUFF THEIR ST THEY NEED IT"
ornate iris
I genuinely think they also take player feedback into account for balancing now for whatever reason
undone bone
dont worry rampant ferocity got a buff copium
pulsar trail
Ret's the third or fourth best ST spec in the game
and they just got a massive buff
???????????
ornate iris
like some of the stuff they’re doing would only make sense to me if it was coming from a source that didn’t have a shitton of data
ornate iris
But blizzard literally has their own data source for balancing right?
undone bone
i mean having the data does not mean they know how to interpret it
pulsar trail
its okay the next leggo buff SURELY makes it good
ornate iris
Becoming harder to believe by the day
undone bone
that is a job in itself
pulsar trail
4th time's the charm @undone bone
waxen latch
But blizzard literally has their own data source for balancing right?
i THOUGHT they do, but slowly think they dont
ornate iris
Idk man
undone bone
yea now you can dance and pray to your favourite deity while channeling
ornate iris
They get paid for it right
pulsar trail
But blizzard literally has their own data source for balancing right?
supposedly yes
heady oriole
Is Blizzard hiring data analysts? 
pulsar trail
yea now you can dance and pray to your favourite deity while channeling
our ret got fucked with the channel
thank god they made it so you can't cancel it
undone bone
you need 2 things analysts and interpreters
then implementers
but usually devs do the last one well
ornate iris
If someone gets paid for it they should at least do a more competent job at it then some of the goobers in this discord
undone bone
well getting paid by blizz
ornate iris
I’d genuinely trust zeross with making better balance decisions atp
pulsar trail
that's a bold statement
undone bone
might as well be getting paid by a 2nd tier company in india
pulsar trail
that boy's big dumb
undone bone
like i know surely there is a lot of wonderful people at blizz
but the stories we've heard
are not pretty
i would dip so hard
ornate iris
I mean
After the vdh buff
I pretty much gave up trying to understand the thought process
undone bone
kb too green
ornate iris
like class is alr doing 250k overall in dungeons
undone bone
10% nerf
undone bone
you forgot the aoe cc
pulsar trail
aoe ccs*
ornate iris
just for “class flavour”
undone bone
because why not
pulsar trail
fixed that for you
ornate iris
pulsar trail
undone bone
right?
ornate iris
They have 4
ornate iris
silence is aoe cc cant convince me otherwise
pulsar trail
it is
pulsar trail
assa rogue + vdh was literally caster mob heaven
legit fuckin silenced for 14s
lmao
waxen latch
that boy's big dumb
atleast he doesnt understand why they nerfed assa twice
undone bone
and iron wired
waxen latch
like
ornate iris
aoe kidney could’ve been so funny bro
pulsar trail
and iron wired
people are theorycrafting m+ builds without it dw
ornate iris
vdh can chain cc the pack for a minute anyway let us game
waxen latch
ye zeross is zeross, but man, even he would have not done that
pulsar trail
"we don't need iron wire"
like bruh
if you enter a dungeon as assa and you're not playing iron wire
that is a crime against humanity
and you should feel bad
undone bone
those are the ones that also dont take blackjack
like i know there are some snaps that need tricks
but cm on
heady oriole
Imagine not wanting to take a four second silence on casters...
undone bone
it also works on ongoing dots
ornate iris
ay man I instant kick assa players when im spamming 20s for weeklies / gearing or what not. I perfectly know the spec is good (played it for a bit) but holy fuck low bracket assa players have no clue man
waxen latch
<:smile_dog:1168858437678018630>
undone bone
i would go just to kb every non elite i find
pulsar trail
bro my biggest problem is healers who just don't heal
idk what the fuck is going on
but these people just aren't healing lmao
undone bone
and forget to envenom a target for spatter
ornate iris
Assa might be the most scary spec when I’m doing low keys to invite
Alongside frost mage
waxen latch
idk what the fuck is going on
they made m+ so trivial for loot at this point, you have the ultra LFR andys in 20keys
pulsar trail
bro I pugged a 20 AD
and we almosted bricked it
and the guy goes "GG GUYS SMOOTH RUN"
waxen latch
same today lol
waxen latch
we had a prevoker that didnt dispell the 40sec gold dot
like
not a single cast of it
cloaked the first
pulsar trail
we did rezan
waxen latch
and just died to the 2nd one
pulsar trail
and they ran him over like 8 pools
ornate iris
anyways have fun with the gooping
heady oriole
I had some sin player a month ago say to me "Please let me stealth mr. tank :)". Watch him do like tank damage every pull and die to every boss. "YEAH, THAT STEALTH IS WHAT'S DOING ALL YOUR DAMAGE ALRIGHT."
ornate iris
gn gamers
heady oriole
gn
ornate iris
o
pulsar trail
also I had a fucking outlaw rogue killing my funnel on dragon in DHT
ornate iris
yeah to the gallows with the tank nvm
pulsar trail
I was fucking PISSED
waxen latch
and then the tank died cus its a pug run
heady oriole
also I had a fucking outlaw rogue killing my funnel on dragon in DHT
"Funnel"
pulsar trail
"Funnel"
the funnel is real bromigo
w/ branch I'm at like 170% mastery
FATTY EVISCERATES
heady oriole
pulsar trail
I wouldn't recommend sub in DHT though
silent salmon
also I had a fucking outlaw rogue killing my funnel on dragon in DHT
sorry we need the blade flurry combo points ❤️
pulsar trail
sorry we need the blade flurry combo points ❤️
its okay we did the dungeon
and won
waxen latch
be stuck on smoldy for a longer time L
pulsar trail
we killed smolderon in like 80 pulls
waxen latch
oxi suffering from sucess
pulsar trail
idk how you guys are pulling this boss 120+ times
waxen latch
idk how you guys are pulling this boss 120+ times
2-3people going surfer on 200pulls regulary
thats how
pulsar trail
also how are people who've seen p3 before the nerfs wiping on tindral still
????????????
warped wedge
they are? o.o
pulsar trail
they are? o.o
they're in for a doozy on fyrakk
if they're struggling that bad with a nerfed tindral
warped wedge
maybe if you have not great dps so 7:30~ wipes?
waxen latch
less seeds fried dps brains again
we had 1-2 people now that just didnt move at all for them anymore
pulsar trail
I watched kirby wipe to flare bombs
12 pulls in a row
lmfao
THERE'S ONE LESS
HOW
"Someone took my feather"
dog there's 6 feathers and 3 people go up
tf you mean
undone bone
there was a banana peel on the way
heady oriole
tf you mean
I'm so glad I don't play this game anymore. Shit like this would put me on tilt
pulsar trail
waxen latch
oxi
did you saw my tindral kill day talk here
we had a DH that ordered pizza 20min pre raid
and like 1hour into raid just said "oh, pizza came" MIDFIGHT and alt f4 out of the game
and just stayed away for 20min
and then came back and said "im finished, we can go again"
and was suprised for the instant gkick
pulsar trail
and like 1hour into raid just said "oh, pizza came" MIDFIGHT and alt f4 out of t...
lmfao
new banger emote for the boys
heady oriole
waxen latch
like bruh
you fight tindral p2 and 1guy says "pizza is here" and goes offline
with no warning
waxen latch
dh player
heady oriole
heady oriole
Looking forward to tomorrow when Guy talks about how much he hates sub again and DK be like 
undone bone
maybe it is time to post the big crit if we are going for the oldie goldies
so seli can also come and do the thing
subtle quail
!vibe big crit
hollow ravenBOT
258: On the come up I see you. 
heady oriole
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
17: Go take a nap big guy, get some rest.
undone bone
actually i think i will go to sleep after this three more
ah fuck an author dropped i novel i liked
unlucky
flat scaffold
Looking forward to tomorrow when Guy talks about how much he hates sub again and...
i think he'll let me know on voice once i start explaining everything to him
inner wadi
!vibe me not playing wow
hollow ravenBOT
14: Go take a nap big guy, get some rest.
inner wadi
lmao true i miss itr
hasty nova
heady oriole
lmao true i miss itr
Don't call her
hasty nova
mystic flame
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
97: Be more chill about it dooder, for everyone's sake.
mystic flame
rip
heady oriole
!vibe
hollow ravenBOT
280: On the come up I see you.
inner wadi
Don't call her
brother im on the phone as we speak
heady oriole
her = WoW
inner wadi
oh yeah shes blocked
heady oriole
shell sparrow
@pulsar trail @modest lion @gaunt cipher @torn mural @clever sleet
shell sparrow
its nice not feeling locked down to a job AND a raid
It’s not just raid, there are other weekly activities you have to do if you want decent enough rank.
inner wadi
yeah true
and i have a new set schedule that makes it even more impossible now
i am strictly 11-7 lmao
no more 8-4 days and having the rest of the day to do dumb shit
clever sleet
<@192059095279337473> <@210784027752398848> <@205013090188656641> <@193393699319...
Ty ily
wheat onyx
@tropic skiff
unreal quiver
It’s not just raid, there are other weekly activities you have to do if you want...
Like what
unreal quiver
Yeah but that’s first two weeks
heady oriole
Still
heady oriole
For others might be longer too
flat scaffold
im still doing that, just on another charr
unreal quiver
Yeah you end up so far behind
shell sparrow
When everyone is grinding
Lemme just tell my boss I need extra time off because “everyone is grinding so I should too”
unreal quiver
If you’re in a half decent guild then people will help you catch up
unreal quiver
Lemme just tell my boss I need extra time off because “everyone is grinding so I...
What is this logic lmao
You wouldn’t join a guild that had that requirement if you couldn’t meet it
It’s very optional
shell sparrow
That’s the point
unreal quiver
I’m just saying most people are actually having fun doing it because the content is new
shell sparrow
I said if you want decent rank in my original message. If you wanna go higher on wow progress it comes with additional requirements than just raiding
unreal quiver
You can easily be top 100 without having to grind m+ first two weeks
Ryler what are your requirements
warped wedge
none
unreal quiver
Nice