off-topic

[edgy lion]

Would still take the shot

[torn mural]

[edgy lion]

💀 i got 5 models. down... fuck the rest for today

[shell sparrow]

@torn mural

[torn mural]

[wind cloak]

real

[half kernel]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66120297

we're record setters guys

🙏

[nova obsidian]

Bro its summer thats why its warm

./s

[half kernel]

tbf

it is that el nino thing or whatever

so not unexpected

but still concerning

[waxen latch]

bro there is snow in the winter bro

bro climate change is a hoax bro

[livid socket]

cant be it was cold the last 2 days here

[ornate iris]

32 tomorrow we dooming

[wheat ore]

It's a perfect 20° in the UK every day this week so far

Nice false flag media

[sharp ferry]

Good morning OT!

[timber thunder]

Mornin’

[sharp ferry]

I disagree as well.

[hasty nova]

75mph is pussy speeds

[sharp ferry]

Yeah. 95+ easy.

Calc that idiot.

[livid socket]

170kmh average easy

[hasty nova]

And there's no way I'm falling asleep in the middle of a police chase so...

[sharp ferry]

Yeah, exactly.

[half kernel]

like 10 of these deaths were claymores bruh

[glad panther]

Bro ain’t no way you’re still playing battlebit

[half kernel]

ofc

[glad panther]

I thought that game died the day after it released

[half kernel]

it's like 60k peak every day lol

[glad panther]

Combined 60k braincells

Imagine trying to get investment to make that game

[half kernel]

it's fun with friends

alone semi boring

[glad panther]

What if we take the Roblox engine

And turn it into battlefield

[half kernel]

i mean it's more proof that graphics dont fucking matter lol

if you have fun gameplay it's fun

and probably lets you do other shit more easily

like having 256 people in a server

with 0 fps drops or lag

[glad panther]

I think the “it’s so realistic” hype in games died in 2015

[hasty nova]

Sony 1st parties keeping it alive

Everyone else is just trying to play silksong

[modest lion]

theres some middleground between a game not giving a fuck about graphics and being hyperrealistic tho, and most people still care about graphics a lot

[timber thunder]

I feel like it’s always been a niche thing, but there always will be people wanting to spend 4 hours mowing lawns in a game or smth

[half kernel]

really never mattered to me in fps games

[timber thunder]

True

[half kernel]

in mmorpgs it does a bit

but fps you just wanna click heads

whether that's a box or a giga rendered face

[timber thunder]

There are people playing Tarkov so ig there’s a market for that

But that’s a niche thing

[modest lion]

its almost like people want different things!

[cyan oxide]

something something autobahn

[half kernel]

dont people play tarkov for milsim and reset mechanics

[livid socket]

[timber thunder]

Mindblowing

[remote surge]

looks like a bait account

[timber thunder]

There’s also Arma

[half kernel]

i suppose graphics is part of the milsim aspect

though apparently battlebit is getting a mode like that

no more assassins medics running around

[modest lion]

most devs compromise on graphics and voice acting to instead focus on more complex/deeper game systems

[nova obsidian]

Ye i much prefer cartoonish style that isnt super anime. Photorealistic doesnt look as good imo

[modest lion]

and kind of stylized artstyle works good imo

as long as its consistent throughout the game and not cheaply done

[half kernel]

borderlands

[nova obsidian]

I can even excuse some anime stuff like i did for lost ark (technically not anime since its not japanese yadayada) if the gameplay is good enough

[timber thunder]

Juicy af

Liked it

[modest lion]

cant wait for AI supported graphics/voiceacting/writing being used more in games

[glad panther]

[half kernel]

gw2 concept art is some of my favourite of any

https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/02bb6chronomancer-portrait.jpg

so sick https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/35e59reaper-portrait.jpg

[modest lion]

ye gw1/gw2 had some nice design overall

[half kernel]

riot mmo is gonna go crazy

league splash arts are unreal

[wheat ore]

Hell yeah bro

[lean stump]

[waxen latch]

hyping a mmo that doesnt even have a name or ANYTHING revealed yet always seema a bit weird imo......

[sharp ferry]

Gm round 2, eating breakfast on the clock

🥰

[half kernel]

they have a track record of excellent art

not based off of nothing

[waxen latch]

gm and gz to sark kill

[sharp ferry]

Thank you!!! ❤️

Ofc the pull for me was mid on kill

But it's dead none the less.

[waxen latch]

and whisp died

sark prog started for me now

[sharp ferry]

Good luck! Amazingly fun encounter

[pulsar trail]

[elder patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1126540905172701254/ezgif-4-8a3e30372f.gif

[waxen latch]

atleast im not playing outlaw like you

[pulsar trail]

@shell sparrow @gaunt cipher look at this good boy getting a spa day

[pulsar trail]

Am I playing outlaw?

[sharp ferry]

Awww ❤️

Oxi is a sub

[waxen latch]

soon, mr forgestorm

[pulsar trail]

I was playing Diablo 4 last night

[sharp ferry]

Big

[pulsar trail]

And rubber banding everywhere

$70 game btw

[ornate iris]

my dog would not allow this shit gawd damn

bro lying there all chill

[pulsar trail]

Yea idk how he’s so calm

[waxen latch]

often in those videos the animal is extremely sleep deprived on purpose so they dont move much

🙂

[gaunt cipher]

[sharp ferry]

This does not spark joy

[pulsar trail]

But he blew us a kiss at the end

[livid socket]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0RhI6IP5mCQ look at this happy guy

[elder patrol]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2023/07/03/8517fbcd501a89ee.mp4

[shell sparrow]

Such a good shober

[livid socket]

flip it over

[elder patrol]

drink it

[calm elbow]

If you didn't say ||pull the drain plug|| then I have a nice padded cell for you.

[livid socket]

flipping is faster

you can see in the picture that its not mounted into the ground or anything either

[sharp ferry]

Gm lorentz

I hit 600 chess elo :3

I'm climbing!!

[fiery nexus]

Plastic explosives

[calm elbow]

Hey if you can flip a full bathtub of water, then I concede.

[calm elbow]

[livid socket]

for sure

[livid socket]

true or just a hammer to shatter the porcelain

[fiery nexus]

One swing or one detonator press

[calm elbow]

[livid socket]

she gets 50% of the eiffel tower's profits now

[glad panther]

Time for your schizo training arc during sark prog like the rest of us

[pulsar trail]

@cedar nest Norway is now my favorite country in the world

[calm elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/skipper-smile-and-wave-boys-madagascar-kowalski-uhhuh-gif-8713771

[clever sleet]

Old

[elder patrol]

quake is 45

young

[glad panther]

45 on a good day

[elder patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/long-thumb-thumbs-up-gif-25948245

[nova obsidian]

The pinocchio thumb

[elder patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cattitude-catitude-cat-master-gif-23322963

[sharp ferry]

Ugh

I'm blooming odf the charts

I'm in the best mood I've been in a while

I hope you're all having an amazing day

[clever sleet]

No u

[elder patrol]

have a good one ahri

[sharp ferry]

You too 🥰

[sharp ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/chrissy-stranger-things-chrissy-stranger-things-death-vecna-vecna-stranger-things-gif-26011254

Same energy

[elder patrol]

demon inside

[sharp ferry]

Gm Kyle

[glad panther]

Gm #1 add killer

How tf did that cat slide under the door

[elder patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-thoughts-evil-cat-baby-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-26009958

[elder patrol]

yes

[waxen latch]

just wanna tell you guys that the new zelda is good

[elder patrol]

my sister likes it alot

[pulsar trail]

“E-girl world”

[glad panther]

Yea and

[elder patrol]

oh yea im in that also

[glad panther]

See Oxi you’re the weird one

[elder patrol]

I just join most servers for stickers and emotes

[glad panther]

^

[elder patrol]

think im at 200 cap actually

[waxen latch]

1of the few games that actually managed it to constantly sidetrack me cus i want to see new stuff and se 30other new things on the way

[elder patrol]

those are the good games

[elder patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-death-pentinence-famine-war-gif-23084505

[elder patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/tigers-gif-26417717

[pulsar trail]

Ur mom

[elder patrol]

moam

[livid socket]

there is only 1 objective in zelda games and its to make all the korok's suffer a little bit

dropping stones on them etc

[raw python]

!pf 134

[hollow raven]

Vapogeot - PokéFusion:

#134 - Vaporeon

#18 - Pidgeot

[elder patrol]

seen all kinds of weird shit being built in new zelda game

[livid socket]

yea like flaming penis men

[waxen latch]

my weirdest shit was killer roombas

with flamethrowers attached

[elder patrol]

[elder patrol]

!pf friday innit

[hollow raven]

Seitung - PokéFusion:

#86 - Seel

#108 - Lickitung

[elder patrol]

[brazen eagle]

!pf

[hollow raven]

Vaposhrew - PokéFusion:

#134 - Vaporeon

#27 - Sandshrew

[elder patrol]

!pf fuu coding

[hollow raven]

Dragogcute - PokéFusion:

#148 - Dragonair

#102 - Exeggcute

[elder patrol]

looks good

[pulsar trail]

!pf ramlu pooping his pants

[hollow raven]

Growlther - PokéFusion:

#58 - Growlithe

#123 - Scyther

[pulsar trail]

nice

[elder patrol]

I havent shit myself once

I have wild fucked up story I might tell someday about a night out and the morning after

[pulsar trail]

[elder patrol]

!pf

[hollow raven]

Geneebel - PokéFusion:

#94 - Gengar

#71 - Victreebel

[livid socket]

!pf zempai running up that hill

[hollow raven]

Seeler - PokéFusion:

#86 - Seel

#75 - Graveler

[ashen ravine]

Shouldve stayed Up there

[elder patrol]

nice lil mountain

[ashen ravine]

[shell sparrow]

gratz

@cyan oxide

[pulsar trail]

@shell sparrow

[elder patrol]

!pf oxi getting lawyer paycheck on a monday

[hollow raven]

Tangrfree - PokéFusion:

#114 - Tangela

#12 - Butterfree

[brazen eagle]

nothing wrong with that

[shell sparrow]

[shell sparrow]

[brazen eagle]

[elder patrol]

Lorentz you gaming anything at the moment?

[shell sparrow]

does work count?

[elder patrol]

eeh

[shell sparrow]

then no

well, chess

[pulsar trail]

I played d4 for like 2 hours yesterday

and then logged into poe and bought a 2nd mageblood @shell sparrow

now my SST build is back up and running

[shell sparrow]

I gave mine to some person from Velyna stream

my build is bricked anyway

I need str implicit from mb

and I corrupted mine into double implicits

[pulsar trail]

want one of mine? to try to corrupt?

[shell sparrow]

do it yourself

it's fun

[pulsar trail]

I still have like 5200 chaos

and 120 divine left over

idk what to do with it

[shell sparrow]

one day I'll be good at the game and farm belts to corrupt

not there yet

[pulsar trail]

there's a dude in trade with 2 dif double corrupted mbs with enchants

lol

[shell sparrow]

enchanting isn't that hard

there is a vial

just pay 10div commission

[pulsar trail]

I was tempted to buy the % life when you have rage

for more uptime on berserk on my bv

[gaunt cipher]

[pulsar trail]

sebe I need new league

so I can try to be like you and kayl yet again

[shell sparrow]

wait league 18th of Aug right?

most likely

pog, I have time to donate again and get another day off

[pulsar trail]

my fav time of the year

log on to poe

and see lorentz and sebe online

:3

[gaunt cipher]

[pulsar trail]

I'd see seli too

but he never added me because he hates me

which makes sense because he refuses to share more nova pictures with us

[shell sparrow]

he recently did post

[gaunt cipher]

[modest lion]

Hate and love go hand in hand

And I have played much the last few leagues

[pulsar trail]

true, the opposite of love is apathy

play poe with us

[ripe wasp]

Man. Trying to play ME but it keeps freezing like every 5 minutes for at least 2 minutes at a time cause it seems like it's crashing my Windows like

[cyan oxide]

I would never do that

[cyan oxide]

[pulsar trail]

you play ssf

you're not online even when you're online

[cyan oxide]

[pulsar trail]

mfer out here farming labs

[cyan oxide]

i just play without an enchant

[modest lion]

Make game more fun then

[pulsar trail]

nope

[modest lion]

ye well

i always enjoy the game until i realize i have to check 7 different defense checks

and then i kinda get bored

[wheat ore]

play softcore

go zero defense

[modest lion]

yeah no

[pulsar trail]

what a terrible suggestion

[ripe wasp]

Cast on Death Portal best defence. Only one you need.

[pulsar trail]

[modest lion]

dying is not fun

[ripe wasp]

Looks like it was literally just a driver issue. Of course it was. I swear I have my AMD software set to tell me when I have an update but I guess not.

Hasn't crashed since I updated and tried again.

[modest lion]

but not dying is hard unless you go through the 7 stages of gr... defense layers/binary def checks

[pulsar trail]

not dying is hard even when you go through the 7 stages of grief

[modest lion]

fair

[pulsar trail]

sometimes you just get one tapped

and you're like oh okay

that's just poe now

consequence of the zoom zoom playstyle

[modest lion]

idk i still like

heavily dislike the lack of phys mitigation options

[pulsar trail]

wdym

you can get like 92% phys dam reduction on a jugg

easily

[modest lion]

yeah i dont enjoy running determ on every build

[pulsar trail]

just run iron reflexes and run grace

[modest lion]

i hate you

[pulsar trail]

no you don't

idk I played some poe last night

[modest lion]

Hate and love go hand in hand

[pulsar trail]

after playing d4 for like 3 hours

and I had a fucking absolute blast

[modest lion]

well ye

i really

dont like d4 atm

sadly

and this new league mechanic does not look good at all either

[pulsar trail]

d4's missing something

[modest lion]

unlucky

d4s missing a lot of things

[pulsar trail]

I think it's a fine first mechanic

but I was hoping for something more ambitious than passives?

[modest lion]

the ones they showcased were total crap so

[pulsar trail]

I'm just worried they take the d3 route

[modest lion]

wcyd

[pulsar trail]

and make everything passive

cause it took them almost 30 seasons to have 5-6 seasons of interesting mechanics

I don't like that %

[gaunt cipher]

d4 is missing 75% discount

for me to buy it

[pulsar trail]

true

[modest lion]

d4 is taking the poe route of basically needing a spreadsheet/simulation to figure out whats the best dps upgrade for you, but it does so in a way that is completely unfun, compared to poe

[pulsar trail]

I'm working on some juice

for a damage modifier guide

[modest lion]

ye i mean

[pulsar trail]

and it's the most depressing realization

[modest lion]

scaling damage in d4 is just

really really sad

[pulsar trail]

of how basic their damage modifiers are

the only real complexity comes from how your paragon board/glyphs & legendary effects interact with your spells

and frankly it aint that complex

lol

[modest lion]

i said it before, but d4 put together like 5 different scaling systems and theyre all super shallow instead of just going with 1 or 2 and making them really good

wcyd

[pulsar trail]

for example: like even if 100% of your damage comes from a cutthroat skill (twisting blades), a 10% damage amp to cutthroat isn't even a 10% amp to your damage

[modest lion]

but d4 devs dont seem to want to learn from other games, including their own predecessors. unlucky

[pulsar trail]

also treasure goblins feel worthless

[modest lion]

could legit just add synergies from d2 to the d4 skilltree, and it would improve the game/skill tree

[pulsar trail]

I just run by them

I remember chasing them for the chance at crafting materials in d3

[remote surge]

they're really content with being like "woah now, we hear your feedback, but it's only been 5 weeks, we're in it for the long haul here"

[pulsar trail]

they acknowledged indirectly that it was a huge rush job

[modest lion]

i mean anyone thinking that just refuses to listen to the people who played endgame beta

[pulsar trail]

esp when it comes to "account wide" renown unlocks

idk if they meant to

but when Tim was talking about how they brought it up to an engineer

and he goes "well if you would've came to me 4 months ago we could've done it right and easier"

[remote surge]

yeah they fully intended to not carry over any renown or progress at all

[modest lion]

but it doesnt matter, enough d4drones out there who dont seem to believe that them basically not fixing anything from endgame beta feedback almost a year ago, isnt somehow indicative of the snails speed at which they balance/tune

just a bunch of kneejerk tuning

[pulsar trail]

it seems they adjusted what they wanted on the fly, after rushing the game out in the first place

[modest lion]

when people figure out broken mechanics

it gets fixed instantly

[pulsar trail]

fwiw I think d4 will be a fantastic game as it ages

it's a good game now

[modest lion]

too many uniques dropping? drops disabled within 12hrs

barbarian uniques dropping for druids?

took them what, 9 months?

since endgame beta?

think they fixed that last week

[pulsar trail]

I mean I played beta

it was obviously rushed

a lot of parts felt super unpolished

which for a $70 game is kinda ridiculous

[modest lion]

idk i dont awnna be a downer

but ye i mean

[pulsar trail]

I mean you're not being a downer

[wheat ore]

in like 5 years ye

[pulsar trail]

it's reality

[shell sparrow]

@modest lion @pulsar trail @gaunt cipher

[modest lion]

i dont believe its rushed. i think this is what they wanted the game to be

[wheat ore]

poe has had so much iteration on it

[shell sparrow]

think I am done with work for the week

[wheat ore]

it jhust feels far superior

[pulsar trail]

the poe gameplay loop

minus all the bullshit of needing to stack defensives etc

just feels more satisfying

[wheat ore]

ye

[pulsar trail]

I played d4 for like 3 hours

felt very meh

logged into poe

first trash pack I killed in a 80% deli CT

[brazen eagle]

think it will eventuelly get there in 2 seasons or so

[pulsar trail]

felt SO good

so many mobs

[shell sparrow]

PoE modern leagues have been around for how much tho?

[wheat ore]

the only thing i dont like about POE is rng bullethell deaths even if you super stack defensives

[pulsar trail]

things just dying

I'm zooming

[modest lion]

cuz i dont see a single feature in d4 that doesnt feel rushed. so i dont really subscribe to this idea of "they just didnt have enough time" when they apparently felt confident enough to have people already work on s1, s2 and the first expansion in tandem

[pulsar trail]

I don't think rushed inherently means "they didn't have enough time"

[modest lion]

well, rushed to me means that they intended for things to be better

but couldnt make it happen for some reason

[pulsar trail]

I think the execs put a release date that seems like it was 6 months earlier than it should've been tbh

missing shit like auto sorting stash (which is available on console but not PC)

not a search bar in the entire game

the map is horrendous

[shell sparrow]

I think breach is considered start of 3rd generation of PoE leagues?

[modest lion]

and maybe im too cynical but like... nothing in this game says "oh yeah, this is fleshed out/is set up to grow a lot in future patches"

[shell sparrow]

that's a lot of years

[pulsar trail]

I mean them listening to feedback and taking it somewhat serious gives hope

[modest lion]

not really

considering a lot of these things were complained about

in endgame beta

and nothing changed

[pulsar trail]

I mean when was the end game beta

it wasn't in January

[modest lion]

~12months ago?

[pulsar trail]

you say 6 months ago

[modest lion]

10-12

complaints like nightmare dungeons being too samey

having to run to them etc.

[pulsar trail]

yeah but you also have to look at the totality of the game

the open beta

[modest lion]

lack of build variety

[pulsar trail]

druid and necro were unplayable

[modest lion]

ye but everybody knew

druid was gonna be S-tier in endgame, it just had a slow start

[pulsar trail]

you have a good understanding of how project management works

[modest lion]

and that necro was weak in endgame

[pulsar trail]

for sure

[modest lion]

so what do they do?

nerf necro cuz it was good in open beta lmao

[pulsar trail]

yeah good thing everyone was right about necro being "shit"

"shit in end game"

[modest lion]

i mean minions are still kinda useless in endgame

despite the buff they made

[pulsar trail]

I mean necro always had more than just minions

[modest lion]

sure but like

ya know

again, a complaint from almost a full year ago

[pulsar trail]

all I know is I watched a necro kill uber lilith in like 45s

yeah real shit for end game

good job maxroll

really nailed that one on the head

[modest lion]

uber lilith is kinda

not a good measure of endgame viability tho, thats bossing

[remote surge]

think the only class that needs some serious help is sorc

[pulsar trail]

I mean bossing is an end game track

[modest lion]

sure but in d4 that endgame track is basically... 1 boss atm 😄

[pulsar trail]

I mean it's pre-season 1

you were farming dominus for loot in early poe

lol

[gaunt cipher]

[shell sparrow]

it's easy. you put up a task in Jira and it gets done

[pulsar trail]

they sold millions of pre-order copies

you have to get the game stable all around before you focus on teleporting to nightmare dungeons

tbh

and you know this

[modest lion]

do we actually want to compare the times when GGG was a 20man studio with a smol budget based entirely on crowdfunding, to the >100man AAA budget devteam that can afford to spend millions on celebrity ads?

[shell sparrow]

I wouldn't compare pre release poe to d4 tho

[pulsar trail]

I would hardly say the diablo 4 team is a >100 man team

[shell sparrow]

poe was indie game that had to get to decent baseline state for years

[modest lion]

poe also didnt really have any competitor games to take a lot of guidance from at the time, other than torchlight and d2/d3

[pulsar trail]

I think people overestimate how much manpower blizzard actually has

they can have 100 devs

but if they have 10 software engineers implementing everything

hard to get all of that done

[shell sparrow]

100 to 20 is also not x5 productivity

like

nowhere near x5

[pulsar trail]

honestly I think GGG benefitted from having a smaller team

in terms of making a great game

it just took more hours cause of budgetary reasons tbh

[modest lion]

it took more hours because they had to come up wiht all of the shit they did

[pulsar trail]

20 people who are bleeding for their product vs 100 who are doing it to get their paycheck

[modest lion]

d4 didnt

[waxen latch]

small teams always work faster

[pulsar trail]

don't look at last epoch dev time

took them like 2 years to get online play going

[modest lion]

but if youre unwilling to learn from games like poe or d2 or last epoch or grim dawn, and think youre the bees knees and basically dont add any of the QoL... idk, thats just not good

[shell sparrow]

if you write code not around online and then do online....

that takes a lot

A LOT

[modest lion]

and id reckon d4 has a bigger budget than all those games combined

[pulsar trail]

I mean you say they're unwilling to learn from those games, but what exactly did they not learn

[pulsar trail]

for sure

[ripe wasp]

I just met Wrex and I already love him. "Are you trying to make me arrest you" "I'd like to see you try"

[shell sparrow]

also given what they say on streams they had to learn how to do online

[waxen latch]

1 of the 3 best companions in the series

[pulsar trail]

your entire assumption of them "refusing to learn" is based on the premise that they wanted d4 to be anything like those games

[modest lion]

thats a long list. just starting with the skill-system, its the most barebones skillsystem in an aRPG ive ever seen. they couldve gone the "alter your skills" path of PoE, or the "change the core functionality of the skill" path of last epoch or the "combine multiple classes with one another" from grim dawn. but instead we get a skill-sapling

[pulsar trail]

but what if they didn't want to have any of those methods

[modest lion]

sure

thats what i mean

they purposefully decided to not hve these things

[pulsar trail]

what if to them having 1 improvement node and 1 "transformation" node per skill is what they had in mind

[modest lion]

they purposefully decided to not have meaningful defense stats other than res and armor

[ripe wasp]

What I don't get is how this game is so old and yet looks and feels so clean.

[pulsar trail]

ME is one of the best games I've ever played in my life

the series is very very good

ME2 was peak

[ripe wasp]

Saw gamepass had all 4 games and installed em last night

[pulsar trail]

people shit on andromeda and I loved that too

[ripe wasp]

First time playing any of em

[modest lion]

they purposefully decided to not have meaningful damage scaling outside of "damage buckets" or stats like multiproj, increased aoe, dot-ticking speed, minionlimit increases etc.

[pulsar trail]

but I also didn't pay full price for it

[modest lion]

which is exactly my problem

[ripe wasp]

I mean I'm paying $10 for all 4 and that's assuming I don't get any other game on the pass

Gamepass is OP

[pulsar trail]

seems like it's not a problem at all

you fall into the same category lorentz and I do

d4 is just not a game for us

realistically

[modest lion]

well yeah

[pulsar trail]

we want more from our arpgs

and d4 is content being the casual king

borrowing from arpg elements

rather than full sending arpg elements

[modest lion]

im just saying that if the game wants to aspire to more, then thats where it should start

[shell sparrow]

aspire to more in what regard?

[pulsar trail]

I sense they're content with the niche they have now

because it's getting them a fuck ton of cash

they sold an absurd amount of copies

[modest lion]

it obviously tried to be an MMO but then it fell short of that

[shell sparrow]

more players? debatable

[waxen latch]

for 10€ its the best thing you could do lmao

playing 1-2-3 back to back is great, and andromeda showed good promise (and i prefer many characters there) and will maybe go on some day

[pulsar trail]

iirc they didn't want it to try to be an MMO

they wanted the outdoor stuff to feel MMO-y

they wanted the world to "feel alive"

in fact the reason you stated is why I'm a lot less sour about d4

if they leaned heavily into MMO-style

I wouldn't have ever bought it

because if I was gonna play an MMOARPG

[modest lion]

aspire to not catering to the common denominator

[pulsar trail]

I'd just play lost ark

lol

[modest lion]

aspire to look at other games in the genre, and try to be better

[shell sparrow]

they make mass product, they will cater to that

[modest lion]

but instead they aspire to sell more

which is sad

cuz it doesnt lead to better games

[ripe wasp]

Wrex so OP he just uses finger guns

[clever sleet]

This is suspicious

[modest lion]

wdym

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676830530964029464/904209153084518410/1F662D8A-F772-42BE-941D-3CE39513937E.gif

[waxen latch]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[ripe wasp]

I lied it's back to freezing

[modest lion]

my point is basically, that i dont think that adding a bit more flavor and spice to the systems they have, would make them lose players or would make the game less enjoyable for current players, it would just be a straight improvement.

[ripe wasp]

It doesn't full crash which is weird. It just breaks a lot of my PC for a minute or two

[pulsar trail]

for sure, they need to do A LOT to get players like us excited

but judging by wowhead's d4 metrics, and what I've seen from non-poe enjoyers

d4 is right up their alley

and doing well

as is

[modest lion]

i was actually expecting d4 to be less of an aRPG and more of an MMO

because thats what they promoted

[pulsar trail]

like the fact that we're churning out side quest guides

[modest lion]

reactive world, multiplayer, worldbosses, group events

[pulsar trail]

and they're getting views

[remote surge]

now it seems like season 1 is not going to have world tier 5 or leaderboards

[pulsar trail]

is ridiculous to me

[pulsar trail]

no leaderboards is going to hemorrhage a LOT of players

[modest lion]

i was looking at d4 footage and how they promoted the game, and i thought "lost ark but with diablo franchise/class design"

and i was excited

[pulsar trail]

that's funny to me because I saw that and I was like "I don't want to play lost ark"

lmao

[remote surge]

if it does have leaderboards, it's weird they've said nothing about it cause there's a lot of questions on how they will manage it

[modest lion]

well yeah

and now its just

a big piece of unflavored chicken

[pulsar trail]

it's somewhere in the middle and both of us are left dissatisfied

[modest lion]

and id just like some spice

i like chicken

even if i expected something else

but it needs to have something and d4 just doesnt hit that for me at all

what it had was a what i imagine an incredibly expensive marketing tour

and they probably went with acquiring new players over returning players for d4, i.e. appeal not to the people who already play poe/d3/last epoch, but those who never touched an aRPG in their life

which is smart, cuz those other guys will try d4 anyway

[pulsar trail]

ye lorentz and I have talked about it for hours

it feels like there's just shit missing

like there's parts that you love about the game, but then there's a reminder that something else was half assed

or just missing

[modest lion]

well its semantics but i dont think it was ever supposed to have those things, so idk if id call it "missing"

[pulsar trail]

here's the thing

even if it was or wasn't, even if your expectations were too high

the current iteration of d4

feels super shallow

regardless of what our expectations were

[modest lion]

it could be so much more, but i dont believe it will get to that, not within a year or two

not based on what ive seen them say they have in store for s1/s2

[pulsar trail]

I don't think it'll get there in a year or two either

I think it's 3-4 year long project to get it into a good spot

which is kinda weird for a $70 game

at least imo

[modest lion]

for sure is

[shell sparrow]

Then it just means game isn’t worth the money for you

But dads with 69 kids love it

[edgy lion]

d4 story made it turn from a plain chicken to a rotten chicken for me

[pulsar trail]

like I feel like I got my $70 worth

fwiw

[modest lion]

i got my 2mil gold worth, considering gold aitn worth shit

[pulsar trail]

but idk, I remember my friends making fun of me for buying a poe supporter pack for crucible

and I feel like I underpaid

[remote surge]

wish there were poe private servers

emulate a certain league

[pulsar trail]

there are, they just cost money

you can do private leagues

[gaunt cipher]

most of the diablo 4 players

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-berserk-guts-music-gif-22008331

(sooner or later)

(meme)

[wheat onyx]

D4 does exactly what I want it to do. It's a simple to understand game with good gameplay

[edgy lion]

when it turns out the wasp stung you 5-7 times more then you thought

[modest lion]

i think most d4 players will move on to the next big game when it comes out

[pulsar trail]

yeah that's why I think it's more than fine

a lot of the frustrations are from people who want something more complex and are expecting more

[modest lion]

next big "multiplayer" game with big marketing budget will take away a lot of d4 players methinks

[gaunt cipher]

but i rly agree with angle they targeted specific people with this price assuming they wanna target audience that will pay for cosmetics aswell

and bps

and what not

they dont care some brazilian guy cant pay and play game

[shell sparrow]

Bepis?

[gaunt cipher]

[wheat onyx]

Poe is a way better spreadsheet but I'm not buying d4 to have another spreadsheet

[remote surge]

i mean like revert the entire game back to how it was for x patch or whenever

[gaunt cipher]

i mean also d4 vs poe isnt even a competition

[pulsar trail]

I would buy the FUCK out of private leagues if we could do that

[gaunt cipher]

bad d4 release when it comes to copies sold

[remote surge]

lol yea

[pulsar trail]

take me back to sentinel with the homies

PLEASE

[gaunt cipher]

imagine they have like worst release ever

[modest lion]

ye gimme

[gaunt cipher]

'few' players

[modest lion]

synthesis private league

[gaunt cipher]

= still 100 times bigger than best poe league

[shell sparrow]

You do understand people would just play harvest

[gaunt cipher]

in sheer numbers

[gaunt cipher]

synthesis league is every league now

[modest lion]

no

its not

[gaunt cipher]

its just called wild vivid vulture

sorry vivid vulture

in menagerie

[pulsar trail]

oh @gaunt cipher apparently the crucible monsters can drop uniques with a tree already on them?

[gaunt cipher]

ye the crucible league specific uniques

like the sword/helmet

[pulsar trail]

I dropped the sword which can be giga

[gaunt cipher]

dont remember names

[pulsar trail]

I think

[gaunt cipher]

ye if you hit totem explode mod

it can be biog

[pulsar trail]

it has the 2h tree mod on it

[modest lion]

gimme

[pulsar trail]

first one I've ever seen

I was like yo this could be insane

[umbral whale]

Ofc seli like synthesis

[modest lion]

i was hoping kalandra was gonna be

synthesis 2.0

but sadly it wasnt

[pulsar trail]

btw building a map to run it is why I like incursion a lot

being able to shape the map is so cool to me

[shell sparrow]

It wasn’t incursion

[pulsar trail]

I know

[modest lion]

building longass corridors in synthesis was pog

[pulsar trail]

but that's why I like the temple

[shell sparrow]

Synth map was absurdly convoluted

[pulsar trail]

I think I'd have loved synth

[umbral whale]

New d4 season seems so underwhelming

[edgy lion]

Someone please take my hand

Holy shit i hate wasps

[modest lion]

synth map was convoluted unless you played any kind of boardgame before

[umbral whale]

Like no reason to buy it tbh

[pulsar trail]

I love the idea of working toward creating my own maze

[umbral whale]

Stop pissing off the wasps by

[pulsar trail]

and then going through it and seeing how bad I fucked myself

lmao

[shell sparrow]

Even Mathil, who defends poe always, didn’t defend synth

[edgy lion]

I DIDNT

[pulsar trail]

I mean I also liked the kalandra mechanic

[edgy lion]

i legit got out of my Car

[pulsar trail]

so I'm inherently weird

[edgy lion]

and the bastard when kamikazi

[modest lion]

lavender

[shell sparrow]

Kinda tells you when last bastion of game simping is gone

[ornate iris]

ive never gotten past the first miniboss in poe

Just ass at the game tbh

[edgy lion]

whats that trick?

[gaunt cipher]

just give sanctum back

[modest lion]

wasps hate lavender

[pulsar trail]

hated sanctum ngl

[remote surge]

hillock?

[edgy lion]

ok time to fill my lawn

[shell sparrow]

Sentinel

[modest lion]

ye mint or lavender works great against wasps

problem is

[pulsar trail]

yes pls

[modest lion]

lavender attracts bees

[pulsar trail]

YES PLS

[modest lion]

[edgy lion]

ow fuck no

nvm

[shell sparrow]

Recombinators

[edgy lion]

all the grass gos

ALL GRASS GONE

[pulsar trail]

bro sentinel was SO good man

[edgy lion]

and goat the bitch in pesticides

[shell sparrow]

Layering fun on top of fun

[unreal quiver]

27 tyrannical underrot timed

[pulsar trail]

[unreal quiver]

holy fuck

[shell sparrow]

Please

[gaunt cipher]

i played sentinel till like last day of the league

[unreal quiver]

actual tight key

[gaunt cipher]

[steel snow]

bring it back

[spare drift]

dont say the K word, im getting mad

[gaunt cipher]

i had banger char

[modest lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThYCp7bjDa0

it was also

[pulsar trail]

you always do

[modest lion]

the lore-heaviest league of all time

so that was pog too

[gaunt cipher]

[pulsar trail]

SHEESH

[shell sparrow]

I think heist was bigger

[modest lion]

nah

[shell sparrow]

Not main story but amount of dialogue and story there is massive

[pulsar trail]

bro I just want ice shot to be good

is that asking too much

[modest lion]

synthesis had like what, 70 or 80 memories that expanded on all of the original poe lore

[edgy lion]

[spare drift]

you change one letter and get ice shit

coincidence?

[slim epoch]

they put so much into heist that they just kept it anyway

[pulsar trail]

go play another champ build in softcore you pussy

[shell sparrow]

That’s like 2 lines of text

[spare drift]

champ is always the correct answer

[shell sparrow]

Each

[modest lion]

it was a lot more

[pulsar trail]

I find it absolutely hilarious they destroyed sabo

and left champ untouched

[gaunt cipher]

[spare drift]

last time I played champ was kalandra

[pulsar trail]

you don't play softcore

you're too good for us

we're plebs

[shell sparrow]

You had npc reveal and like 3-4 his zones

And that’s it

Lore was frontloaded

[gaunt cipher]

freshtoubers

[pulsar trail]

@modest lion this looks sick as fuck

why did people hate it

[shell sparrow]

But rest was just maps with little bit voiceover when you enter zone

[modest lion]

just the entire zana/venarius/shaper/elder lore-part was already very extensive

15 memory fragments

on top of hte mini scenario etc.

[umbral whale]

@pulsar trail ice shot is good mathil literally league started it and cleared all ubers

[pulsar trail]

ice shot is not good

vaal ice shot is a fucking copium

[shell sparrow]

Making proper map was convoluted af. Not making proper map meant no rewards. Also synthesizer was not well understood and people didn’t know how to evaluate fractured items

And there were tons of frac items

[pulsar trail]

makes sense

I started in arch nem

I'm a poe baby

:3

[modest lion]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/b2a1gy/compilation_of_cavaszana_synthesis_lore/

[pulsar trail]

whispyr recommended arc witch

[modest lion]

this is all the lore from the synthesis memories

[pulsar trail]

didn't finish the campaign because that build is hot ass garbage

:3

[spare drift]

I started in perandus

that was a light league

[remote surge]

same

[spare drift]

didnt play too much, think I got to 90

[remote surge]

they were all light back then

[shell sparrow]

I started in harbi according to my achievs

[remote surge]

i played ice shot (lol)

[shell sparrow]

But properly in bestiary

Trash league

[spare drift]

sentinel was my favourite league when I think about it

[pulsar trail]

@umbral whale the reason ice shot is shit is because when you're building it, you just tell yourself you could be playing tornado shot and be doing infinitely more damage

TS scales like a mfer with extra arrows too

[modest lion]

people hated it because the core feature of the league was giving items synthesis implicits by sacrificing items with fractured mods, and the resulting synth implicit was based on which items you put in... but people didnt figure out how that worked until later into the league, when they datamined what items would give the best implicits, i.e. +1 charge rings and stuff like that

[spare drift]

bestiary was my first 36 challenge league

[remote surge]

big nostaliga for perandus but if i could actually go back im sure it wouldnt be nearly as fun

[pulsar trail]

the concept behind making your own synth implicits seems really cool to me

maybe I'm weird

[modest lion]

it was usually... the worse the stat, the better the synth implicit outcome, so i.e. fractured lightradius or thorns would result in some of the best ones

but even then it was a 1/3 gamble

making the synth map was pretty simple honestly

[shell sparrow]

Gief new league

I wanna blast maps

Occu pops

Boom boom

[remote surge]

give poe2

[modest lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwPAcKgJjJU

it was legit like

[raw python]

didnt it take like 2 weeks before synth was playable tho without soft locking bugs with your memories/paths?

[modest lion]

such an amazing design

[spare drift]

yes but new league is going to be becuse its poe2 all hands on deck

[modest lion]

it just fell flat on very few important points

and so people hated it

[spare drift]

just make something juicy that just drops currency in maps

[shell sparrow]

Archnem?

[pulsar trail]

pls no

don't hurt me like this

[shell sparrow]

I would never hurt you

Do you all remember we had to pick up expi currency during expi league?

Sounds now like a nightmare

[ornate iris]

Dont remember his name but some big troll or smth

Might be right

[steel snow]

but it already was this league

[pulsar trail]

nah

[steel snow]

probably the best its ever been

[gaunt cipher]

we needed to pick up small organs during metamorph league

so everyone just ignored it

[steel snow]

just pair it with 8 other bow skills

[pulsar trail]

lmfao

[shell sparrow]

That they fixed in a week or two

[pulsar trail]

we just don't play bow builds anymore

it is what it is

[remote surge]

you probably meant brutus, hillock is in the first starter zone, would be rather funny if you couldnt kill him

[shell sparrow]

Expi currency was only fixed when they added it to core

[gaunt cipher]

true

[pulsar trail]

@shell sparrow what do I league start next league

[steel snow]

yea oxi just give up on bows

manaforged arrows is kinda cool but it also just feels wrong

[pulsar trail]

I tried it out, it's cool but yeah

[ornate iris]

It would be rather funny indeed

[shell sparrow]

pair
8 other skills

[pulsar trail]

kinda shitty feeling

[shell sparrow]

[ornate iris]

I might be rather dogshit at poe

[steel snow]

[ornate iris]

Ragequit uninstall after dying once

[pulsar trail]

if dying makes you rage

poe is not the game for you

[spare drift]

bow builds are just not for me

[shell sparrow]

You know I love you, don’t you?

[pulsar trail]

what do we league start lorentz 😦

[steel snow]

i do

[shell sparrow]

Not ssf

[spare drift]

boneshatter slayer

[pulsar trail]

I thought about it

no ssf

[steel snow]

maybe its time to league start ID

[pulsar trail]

maybe later in league when I get bored

[steel snow]

pop pop pop

[shell sparrow]

I will start some map blaster

Poison bv maybe

[pulsar trail]

maybe we rf jugg it up

[shell sparrow]

Hopefully mechanic is sentinel like

[pulsar trail]

and then be miserable 2 weeks in

[shell sparrow]

So just layer on top of maps

And then boom boom blast

Now you reignited my desire to blast poe

Cruel oxi

With poe talk

[pulsar trail]

I blame myself

I played it last night

[wheat onyx]

Idk if I can play another Poe league

[shell sparrow]

I am staying away specifically

To just devour new league

[steel snow]

wtf maybe share 1 with me oxi

[shell sparrow]

Blasting content with friends

Great times ahead

[pulsar trail]

you want one?

I bought it because I didn't feel like sending my mb back and forth between characters

lol

[steel snow]

i do but i wouldnt even play rn if i had one

[pulsar trail]

and I had like 291 divine rotting

[modest lion]

do i order mcdonalds or

too expensive

[pulsar trail]

absolutely not

[modest lion]

[pulsar trail]

ordering mcd's is never the answer

[shell sparrow]

McD is shit food

[spare drift]

buy a cheap game on steam instead

[shell sparrow]

Don’t do it

[steel snow]

i mean it is kind of a vibe sometimes

some nuggies u know

[modest lion]

i havent had mcd in like

4 or 5years

[steel snow]

[pulsar trail]

I'll make you some homemade nuggies

[clever sleet]

I got chipotle

[pulsar trail]

[shell sparrow]

Don’t have for 5 years more

[pulsar trail]

not to brag

[modest lion]

are they gonna be here

within 30-60minutes?

[pulsar trail]

but I'm pretty good at cooking

well I tagged tisu

so this is kinda awkward

[modest lion]

[slim epoch]

air fried nuggies

[steel snow]

[clever sleet]

@pulsar trail you making nuggets or popcorn chicken

[modest lion]

he told me hed make some for your entire wedding but then...

[clever sleet]

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M+ healers vs Raid healers

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[modest lion]

ye its my least fav fastfood but like

im jonesing for some nuggies rn, ngl

[slim epoch]

the recipe changed in the last 5 years

mcd nuggies suck now

[keen lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[shell sparrow]

Is today your birthday?

[modest lion]

no

[serene crescent]

I can't hear out my left ear properly

sounds like water stuck in my ear but no water come out

[clever sleet]

Do you have rubbing alcohol?

[ripe wasp]

Better amputate to be sure.

Okay this freezing shit is getting annoying. Bout to just watch a video on the story of 1 and see if 2 is any better.

[pulsar trail]

^

[shell sparrow]

I have sipping alcohol

[serene crescent]

boutta go full van gogh

[ripe wasp]

[clever sleet]

Doesn’t really help here

[serene crescent]

no i don't

[clever sleet]

If you have water in your ear you can put a small cap of it in your ear and it evaporates the water instantly

Then you just turn head to side and it drains

[shell sparrow]

@pulsar trail https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m2D7CtX3cNs

I want such life

how do I apply to shiba position?

[pulsar trail]

shibas are bis

and you're bis

so logically, I can only conclude that you = shiba

[shell sparrow]

but I am a fox

[pulsar trail]

either way you're cute

and ily

[shell sparrow]

you can clearly see it on my pfp

pfps don't lie

[spare drift]

oxi is a cartoon man

and so am I

[shell sparrow]

for example @steel snow is a cute girl

everyone knows that

[pulsar trail]

can confirm

tisu is the cutest of all the girls

[slim epoch]

who would lie when picking pfp

[pulsar trail]

you can't lie on the internet