#Mist - with 0 Unlocks needs better Sustain

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boreal dagger
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You probably have way more hours on me and certainly more experience with the character, but between Lunge, Dashes and good auto-spacing Act 1 should be really possible for Mist. Mobility is king in roguelikes and Mist seems to have just enough to keep her one step ahead.

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I’ve just been delving into her on the third difficulty (just below Nightmare) to get to grips with the character and while Vesper is much more my style personally, I’ve found Mist to be adequate especially for the early game.

karmic portal
boreal dagger
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Heard.

peak pond
# karmic portal I don't mean to be rude, but this post isn't for anyone but Lizard Smoothie. I'm...

I'm aware that you intend for this to be for devs only, but what an oddly hostile way of saying "I am right and I know better than you."

It is also odd to say that Mist has no aoe except when she does (*melee character, literally an aoe ability), and that Yubar's passive is good aoe when it just isn't. I suspect that many players in the discord don't "understand" Mist's design flaws because they focus on avoiding damage using her many dashes and built in shielding. (rephrased for clarity)

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peak pond
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I don't want to be rude, but getting multiple perspectives on feedback is valuable for teams such as Lizard Smoothie. I'm distinctly aware that it is unpleasant having your viewpoints disagreed with, especially when you feel so strongly that you are correct, but it's important that we as a community provide varied and accurate feedback to the team.

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I appreciate you acknowledging my contributions; I thought it might have been a bit redundant considering that it's common belief that Mist is by far the strongeste character, but I'm glad I got to provide a different perspective!

arctic jay
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100% agree, want to add that most classes feel too bad without unlocks though. I focused on getting 100% steam achievement and the most annoying part was whenever I had to play another character that is level 0.

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peak pond
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I thought this was a thread providing feedback on the state of Mist?

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sorry, was that not the case?

karmic portal
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That isn't directed to you...and was specifically asked for you and others to not get involved. Which you seem to fail to comprehend?

arctic jay
peak pond
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My feedback is also not entirely directed at you; I also have opinions on the balance of Mist

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carmine cave
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peak pond
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To make an entirely new thread to discuss the exact same thing seems excessive

karmic portal
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You really don't understand you are insufferable, do you?

peak pond
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Twinsies!

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But before this thread got derailed, I do want to express that not everyone shares this perspective; I don't think it's true to say that other base kits are significantly better. Yubar's is, imo, pretty awful. I personally feel that Mist has decent aoe options being melee with a dash, and decent surviability optiosn with many dodges available though you may not feel the same way.

carmine cave
peak pond
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I thought I expressed as much, but I can understand if that wasn't the focus

karmic portal
# arctic jay 100% agree, want to add that most classes feel too bad without unlocks though. I...

BTW, I didn't ignore your message - I appreciate you being the literal first person in like 10 people who actually understood the topic being discussed.

But, to remain neutral in my decision to not have conjecture from others I don't want to just prioritize this comment.

But, I appreciate that you actually get what is being discussed besides the other guy who rambled in here about nothing.

ancient stream
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Personally, I think Mist's base kit feels better than Lacerta's and much better than Yubar's. It's not perfect and I wish the barrier was better (longer lasting, or more barrier per hit - I barely ever seem to have more than 10% of my HP as barrier unless I level the passive and nothing else).

I really wouldn't want her to have heal on autoattack. That makes her too similar to Vesper. But maybe, if the devs do want to buff her base kit, the barrier could be improved, or Lunge could get two charges?

karmic portal
# ancient stream Personally, I think Mist's base kit feels better than Lacerta's and much better ...

1% health regen would not make her similar to Vesper in any shape of form. They are massively different playstyles - Vesper is incredibly slow, and relies on a charge attack at base.

Mist relies on speed and single target. 1% health regen just allows her to actually function within melee range against many early enemies that spawn AoE radius attacks that cause her to just have to stall for seconds at a time to function.

If you go the "more barrier" route then it would need to be significantly adjusted with more barrier provided AND the cooldown removed, maybe compensated by moving the 3 attack structure to 5 attacks at it's base.

But barrier is a far inferior ehp tool, where 1% health regen completely solves the biggest issue of her entire kit being RNG reliant.

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This goes back to again my point that I really do wish people would respect what I'm asking about not adding your personal conjectures in this thread. It's not meant for public opinion it's a direct message to the devs.

ancient stream
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If you want a direct message to the devs which no-one else will be able to comment on, they have an email address.

cloud pebble
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Nah, this is actually hilarious

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Posting feedback in the suggestions with a natural voting/discourse system and silencing people who add to the discourse...

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All I'm gonna say here is that, just like Vesper, you can spam levels in that passive, generate more shields while scaling AP and lowering the cooldown from the base 6.7 seconds.

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If you want a barrier setup, it's more than doable.

peak pond
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Vesper's passive without levels is pretty atrocious for sustain. He's lowkey carried by his dash early game I think

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Definitely more of a top off than sustain tool at least

cloud pebble
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This is an extreme example

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But you do not even need that many levels, you just need to shorten the cooldown and scale AP

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cloud pebble
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You do not need to respond to our opinions

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But others are very much capable of posting and allowed to post here. You may not want to be addressed and in which case just ask to not be tagged in the post

karmic portal
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I can't help that you weren't raised right, but that's a failure of modern parenting.

cloud pebble
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okay, then

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you got more to say?

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...what is bro typing?

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surely, this is not that serious

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Here, I will unfollow the post

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My bad, bro. let's just not waste more time.

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robust verge
# karmic portal The devs asked me to make a thread here. So I did, I didn’t ask for others opini...

Devs told you to make a thread here so others can share their thoughts on this topic too. Clearly you lack the self awareness to respect others opinions.

Gonna downvote this because nothing mentioned really strikes me as something that needs to be changed and just seems fairly pointless to ask for considering the amount of time u spend at lvl 0-5 is fairly minimal (the character isn’t so bad you can’t reach lvl 5 in 1 run with nothing equipped). Mist can do just as well as any other character at the start and doesn’t lack anything compared to the rest under the same conditions.

You’re free to voice ur feedback but public posts are meant to serve as a place for discussion to help devs to make informed decisions if it’s feedback everyone shares, which clearly this post did not resonate with a lot of players.

karmic portal
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It really is pathetic that people can't refrain from pushing their unwarranted comments in places it wasn't asked for. The Devs did not ask me to post here for "others" to comment on, that is your wrongly assumed assumption.

They asked me to post here because it adds it into their visibility queue for when they have time to address issues after they fix the current list of bugs and game breaking issues.

You think you are entitled to an opinion, but no one asked for it, and I specifically asked you not to.

You are an arrogant child, who can't actually respect that request.

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Lizard Smoothie

— Yesterday at 9:09 PM
Yep, please do! We'll revisit all posts in feedback forums and see what we can do about them.

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This doesn't include your arrogant conjecture. Please stop.

robust verge
karmic portal
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Self-reflection mate. You are a child who can't respect simple, simple requests.

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All of you are.

peak pond
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missclick

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sorry

robust verge
# karmic portal I literally posted "this is not to be rude, but please do not comment this is fo...

“I don't mean to be rude, but this post isn't for anyone but Lizard Smoothie. I'm acutely aware most people in this Discord don't understand that this is a design issue. I'm only making this for the developers to read and respond to... please.”

Saying that you’re acutely aware that other people in this discord don’t understand that this in a design issue, comes off as overly hostile to the rest of us.

Self reflection mate, lighten up and stop being a child throwing a tantrum because u didn’t get ur way.

karmic portal
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Give me the okay, and I can make sure that feedback posts on a discord designed for the developers won't ever hurt your feelings again.

robust verge
karmic portal
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So yes, alright. Let me fill out the report.

peak pond
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I realize that I'm lowkey an instigator, but you do come off as pretty hostile even if that's not intended

karmic portal
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I wouldn't come off as hostile if you were capable of literacy.

peak pond
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oof

karmic portal
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It helps when there's a direct message to align it with.

robust verge
# karmic portal So yes, alright. Let me fill out the report.

You have fun doing that bud. I’ve left my feedback because it matters just as much as yours.

Devs can make an informed decision on whether this is something they need to change or not. Honestly she doesn’t really need those changed though, her shortcomings can be overcome by learning mob attack patterns which are already fairly simple, if you fail to learn them it’s not something you should be blaming on the character attack style.

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peak pond
robust verge
peak pond
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like... yeah a lot of characters feel bad with 0 stuff because the game aligns more with rougelites than rougelikes, and maybe there's merit to looking at it, but i also don't necessarily agree with the claim that Mist is far and away the worst of the bunch

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it's not my fault that your take away was "these illiterate idiots are rambling" ♥️

robust verge
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Yea it’s not as bad as he’s making it out to be. It’s kinda like how I feel aurena is weak but other players seem to like her, I just haven’t put in the time to learn her. Considering he’s complaining about it at lvl 0, it’s clear he hasn’t either.

robust verge
ancient stream
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ancient stream
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By the time you start doing Hard and Nightmare you're probably not using her base kit any more.

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But feel free to add whatever comments you want!

peak pond
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if you're unlucky and get 0 wells until boss (happened ocne on nachia to me) you die ig but youc an pretty easily pump shields

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evading is more important than doing damage!

robust verge
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Considering the first bosses attack pattern I don’t really feel that she needs the shield more than once every 6 seconds.