Godot tutoring?

[vivid girder]

You can join my patreon for free - I post a lot of stuff there for free folks as well. What I'd generally recommend though is heading to YouTube and picking up Heartbeast's channel. He does a lot of great tutorials for fun, sometimes even complex games, but explains them in a way that beginners can really understand generally.

[burnt saddle]

I actually did one of Heartbeast tutorials already 😦

[simple ore]

Am really bad at gamedev 😔

[burnt saddle]

Same 😦

[simple ore]

Even my level design is also terrible

[spring walrus]

general programming practice may also help, if it's specifically the coding you struggle with

[burnt saddle]

I heard level design is one of hardest things beside programming

Programming has logic and level design has creativity

[barren vector]

Well, I've been learning Godot for about 2 months and I can say that I'm fairly confident in my coding abilities (not great, but good enough to discern what most code means and make a few basic things). It honestly just takes practice, make a game, then another and another.

[vivid girder]

Practice is absolutely the most important part. I think you'll find if you practice enough just making small things, even with level design, you'll eventually find you get an idea for what works and what doesn't. It becomes intuitive on some level, even if at first it doesn't feel like there's anything intuitive about it.

[simple ore]

If gamedev was easy then everyone would do it

[burnt saddle]

I must be doing something wrong if I've been practicing for a year and can't even make a Pong game on my own

[dark notch]

welcome

[graceful acorn]

Level design’s the big stinker for me, yeah
I’ve spent a bit making a bunch of mechanics for a puzzle game and had a blast… now I gotta design with them

[barren vector]

If you follow a tutorial about player movement or something similar to that, then try making it again without the tutorial. That's what helped me a ton.

[simple ore]

Do you ever participate in gamejam ?

[burnt saddle]

I'm not good enough for game jams

I literally can't code at all

[barren vector]

Not good enough? My first experience coding was a gamejam

[vivid girder]

The only wrong thing to do is nothing at all.

[simple ore]

Am not too but now after 16 days am going to participate at Kenny gamejam

[burnt saddle]

I would probably spend weeks just trying to come up with an idea for a game :/

I'm not joking when I say that tutorials and courses don't help me

[copper dove]

Everyone's gotta start somewhere!

[barren vector]

Then make something basic.

[barren vector]

🤷‍♂️ I can't really understand how that's possible.

[burnt saddle]

Me neither tbh

[solar sable]

you will struggle finding personalized help without paying

[fresh matrix]

https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science

Free course from harvard

[solar sable]

I would begin by blearning programming from another lanugage, not godot, where resources are more abundant

[simple ore]

Don't they teach python ?

[burnt saddle]

I mean I tried C# and Python and same problem

[copper dove]

All I can say from personal experience is, don't pressure yourself and try to be curious of the process

[solar sable]

what problem? it doesnt click?

[fresh matrix]

They teach a number of languages but more importantly they teach algorithms and critical thinking

[copper dove]

like, whenever you encounter a tutorial, don't just follow it one-one-one, experiment

[solar sable]

what level of programming are you learning

[fresh matrix]

Things you should learn before you start typing code

[burnt saddle]

Yeah. It just doesn't click. Even if it's explained multiple times it just doesn't make sense to me

[solar sable]

I would follow the course mr. paul posted

if you are looking for a tutor, though, your best bet is to get employed and hire someone or join a course unfortunately

i dont think a tutor is necessary, but obviously it is your decision

[copper dove]

You said you've been learning godot, what projects have you made so far? and what things are you expecting yourself to make at the start?

[solar sable]

if you want to keep self teaching yourself, start slower and slower

if you dont understand written programming, attempt to make a game in scratch, that is as simple as you can get

[barren vector]

Learning a program language is like a slightly easier version of learning a real language.

[burnt saddle]

I tried once to make a Pong game. I was told it's dead simple and yet I had no idea what to code. My head was empty

[solar sable]

have you followed a tutorial, line by line, and gottan something working ever?

[simple ore]

I think my problem is that I can follow a tourtorial and can make game but without watching tourtorial I can't.

[burnt saddle]

Yeah. Because tutorials are just copying code

[raw wagon]

You can use chatgpt as a personal tutor, its pretty good at it

[burnt saddle]

Not sure for Godot.

[simple ore]

No !! Chatgpt is just so bad for coding

[flint marsh]

This thread on the other server has a lot of valuable information for someone experiencing the same issue:
https://discord.com/channels/212250894228652034/1246633317223366727

[solar sable]

start tweaking things, like "can I dchnage the sprite of this character?" "can I change the jump height?" "can I add sound effects"

[raw wagon]

well, my best advice is to check out this site https://gdquest.github.io/learn-gdscript/
its where i learned gdscript and it guides u through all coding principles from nothing.

[burnt saddle]

I've completed it 3 times. I can understand what each individual things do. But using them together when solving a coding problem is where I get stuck

[simple ore]

I don't agree that you can't learn coding without any paid course because a lot of tourtorial already available.

[flint marsh]

On the topic of tutorials, Brackey's new tutorial is probably the best beginner tutorial out there right now. It's entirely up to date, assets are provided, and he explains how to navigate the editor along with the programming. At the end of the tutorial he suggests some next steps to use to apply what you learned
https://youtu.be/LOhfqjmasi0?feature=shared

[raw wagon]

well, maybe if your school offers computer science you can try that, if not MIT posts all their computer science classes online for free so you could watch those

[barren vector]

That's where I learnt the basics.

Very solid to have as a guide.

[raw wagon]

its important to learn about abstraction and decomposition and stuff

[flint marsh]

Same! I only got back into godot recently and it was because of that tutorial lol

[copper dove]

mmmmmm OOP might be a bit much to learn first when starting out

[flint marsh]

Another vitally important thing is to gain outside programming experience. Take a python crash course (there's plenty free on youtube). Learning to code is GDScript is probably not going to work out super well, as you have to juggle all the other things in the editor.

[muted vale]

like someone else said, programming is like learning a language. it's not like learning Spanish, but more like an english speaker learning chinese or japanese

[simple ore]

Can someone help me I already made a 2D and 3D platformer game now am confused what to do next ?

[limber juniper]

I'm just gonna say it too, you could start with scratch or code.org, they're very simple but teach you the coding mindsey

[muted vale]

you cant just learn it in a week or even a month. you need months of practice to wrap your brain around it

so dont give up

it's not a you problem

[barren vector]

make a topdown 2d rpg

[muted vale]

it's just normal

[burnt saddle]

It's really easy for me to burnout if I do it too much

[flint marsh]

OOP in my experience isn't super hard for beginners, however it's probably best to avoid it and learn non-OOP first
(also in the spirit of education and not gatekeeping, OOP stands for "Object Oriented Programming")

[limber juniper]

And it's totally ok to steal code from online lol, just try to understand what it means when you implement it

[copper dove]

yeah instead of just reading and understanding, try to construct your own sentences and, play with words!

[barren vector]

I started off with 30 minutes a day.

[muted vale]

in the other server, i saw someone recommend the MIT programming course

[simple ore]

I think yes I should do it.

@burnt saddle I recommend to participate at gamejam. Especially at Kenny gamejam because they will provide all assets

[burnt saddle]

I freeze under time limits

[muted vale]

https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2024/

this is the one kids can code recommended

[flint marsh]

I run into the same issue. There's a couple ways you could deal with this. One, use a studying timer to make sure you take regular breaks (This one is nice and simple to use: https://brainpls.work). If you have any friends who might be interested in learning godot, working with them would definitely be helpful! I have one friend who also uses godot (and is far better at it than me lol), and we often just sit in a voice call while coding, so that if we ever run into problems or need feedback we can talk to each other.

[muted vale]

oh, it's harvard, not mit lol

[simple ore]

Just participate man !

[burnt saddle]

NO

[barren vector]

if you want you can try to underscope the game

[simple ore]

I know you are not confident but still you should try. Am also participating for first time

[barren vector]

Join a 1 week gamejam and make something EXTREMELY simple

[muted vale]

i personally dont like game jams since im usually in too much of a rush to actually accomplish anything.

[barren vector]

Same, but not during the summer.

[muted vale]

idk about the one week ones. i usually dont have time for those. only did weekend ones

[barren vector]

We all have our preferences.

[copper dove]

please don't pressure yourself or discourage yourself too much ^^;;

especially considering that you're still starting out

[simple ore]

If someone wants to participate in gamejam

https://itch.io/jams

[flint marsh]

One peace of feedback I think is important, coming from someone who has very bad time management. If you have this mindset, I can guarantee you won't be able to achieve what you want. There's a lot less pressure than you think when it comes to game jams. Nobody is forcing you to submit anything. Many people just use the game jam theme as a starting point and just continue developing past the deadline.

The only sure thing is that if you don't participate, you won't gain anything. If you do participate, you have nothing to loose and so much to gain.

Side note, the 2024 GMTK game jam is coming up in august, and while it has a time limit, it's extended from the usual 3 days (I think) to 5 days. Not that that is a lot, just thought I'd mention it lol

[simple ore]

Ah game development is hard

[simple ore]

But am also hard

[burnt saddle]

I don't think you understand how difficult learning is for me in general. I barely managed to pass high school

[burnt saddle]

I think the chats are unlocked now

[flint marsh]

I'm still in highschool, and trust me I'm not doing any better lol. I really do understand how difficult it is because I struggle with the same issue. I still struggle with Godot too, but the advice I have given has helped me make small strides. Especially finding someone to do it with who has a similar skill level

[muted vale]

if it helps, a lot of people have a monkey see, monkey do kind of mindset when it comes to programming

like maybe if you just make someone type public static void main args enough times, they'll be a good programmer automagically

but as an experienced programmer, when i try to learn stuff, i always try to focus on why im being told to type something

instead of blindly following a tutorial, ill question every line

[burnt saddle]

The why is where I get stuck. It's like I'm unable to process what I'm told

[muted vale]

google

godot tutorials and coding tutorials will not handhold you to the extend you need them to

i mean, they should and they could, but they dont

so you need to google the heck out of "what does print do" and "what is a for loop"

and if that fails, you can ask someone. there are general purpose coding (and learning to code) discord servers

if you are following a general coding tutorial

[burnt saddle]

Trust me I tried that so many time and always get hit with "just keep practicing"

[muted vale]

well, i mean, ask the specific question and they cant really respond with that

keep practicing, yes, but ask why things work

[regal anvil]

Have you done any intro to programming tutorials with exercises? Genuinely just things like "print the numbers from 1 to 10" to use whatever was introduced without copying code verbatim

[burnt saddle]

You mean like excercism?

[regal anvil]

Maybe? I've never used it I'm afraid 😔 I think the exercises on the site are a little more involved than I was thinking for just getting over any blockers to getting your own code onto paper (screen)

I was thinking more like this: https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python_Programming

The topics are fairly granular, and if the topic doesn't register, the exercise just forces you to go back and look for the info you missed in order to complete the task, if that kind of thing helps