#ABP - A Better Poop - No longer supported.

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frigid maple
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So I've been hinting about this for a while. here goes.
Background:
Been a big fan of blobifier, but it has 1 major issue, its slow due to the large amount of Z moves. Also it sucks for tridents/bed movers.

So here comes "ABP"

BOM is nice and simple. Apart from the AT brush parts can be done for a few $
AT Brush - https://github.com/ArmoredTurtle/AFC-Accessories/tree/main/AT_Brush
0.3mm x 4mm OD x 10mm L spring - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004199112613.html
28102B M0.5 plastic gear - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000206649802.html
M0.5 gear rack - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006151643605.html
M2x10mm self tapping
M2x8mm self tapping
M2.5x15mm button head
15mm x15mm x 1mm Copper Pad/heatsink (alu is fine if you can't get copper)- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004455030521.html
A1 mini wipers - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007625680159.html (they are deeper, normal A1 coming later)

Currently only tested on Stealthburner and requires a Cartographer or Beacon probe.

This does have its own custom macros designed to handle this which have speed in mind.

Model is currently in refinement, but I wanted to get the BOM out so people could get things going. Beta will be available in a week or so with everything being released on github.

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Early/first working prototype

frozen violet
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You say 25x25x1 copper heat sink and your link is off to 15x15 ones, I assume your text is correct and the link is wrong?

frozen violet
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Your L spring link also doesn't work, it's missing the l at the end of html lol

frigid maple
frozen violet
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i click and it no worky. I wanna get this BOM ordered while I can lol

frigid maple
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Also the gear and rack you only need 1 gear, 2 rack 🙂 so if you find smaller packs, but I found these to be cheap and quick delivery

frozen violet
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Price was negligible, got everything in 10 packs lol

frigid maple
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yea thats pretty much what I did as its so cheap

hollow ledge
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What about this requires a cartographer or beacon probe?

frigid maple
hollow ledge
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Got ya. Do you see it being feasible to use KlickyPCB in the same way? Assuming modifications to the mechanism would be necessary. Perhaps that’s too early to tell, I’m just very interested in getting something like this on my Trident

frigid maple
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Possibly on the magnets, do you have a picture of the bottom of toolhead?

hollow ledge
uneven wharf
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@frigid maple that's really cool .. looks great!

curious has anyone tried printing the gears?

frigid maple
uneven wharf
unreal plank
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Just ordered everything on Ali! Cant wait to get this printed and tested.

Ill be building 2 of these to test. One for an Xol and the other for a stealthburner. Both with Cartographers.

frigid maple
unreal plank
plain furnace
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I have a question. My printer only has 1 probe but it’s a idex how can that be adapted to work with this by chance?

frigid maple
hollow ledge
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Perhaps it’s possible to mount a “dummy” probe of sorts to actuate the mechanism on the probeless toolhead?

frigid maple
hollow ledge
frigid maple
livid heart
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why is it necessary to have a beacon or carto?

frigid maple
livid heart
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ok well see

primal falcon
# frigid maple

Does this just yeet the poop across the printer? I can't tell in the video for sure or not. 😂

frigid maple
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So trident users ect could have a chute.

livid heart
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does the carto/beacon push a pin or activate it magneticly

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and are the gears printable and also the gear rack?

frigid maple
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they are M0.5 so tiny to try to print.

livid heart
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hmmm, maybe a option for printing for the fellow americans with the tarifs would be an idea... cause the 2$ are going to be what.. 6 or 7$ i guess

frigid maple
livid heart
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yeah maybe, it doesnt matter for me as im in the eu but prinbted gears would/could be nice

frigid maple
primal falcon
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I just ordered everything from the BOM, $40 for enough parts to make 10 of them 😂

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Not counting screws, which I have

livid heart
unreal plank
# frigid maple Will have look thanks.

Just got the email that my AliExpress order just cleared customs today, so I was just wondering if you had a chance to finalize those files? Wanted to get this all printed so I could test out this awesome servo less design.

woven robin
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Put an order in today (AUD$24 for 10 of everything). Will be arriving 6 May. Need this for my two tridents(250 and 300) and VZBot330

sage mulch
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@frigid maple: M2.5x15 are quite harder to get than either 14 or 16 mm long ones. Will 14 or 16 work, too, and if yes, which one would be better? 16mm would be the easiest to get.

unreal plank
sage mulch
frigid maple
white wolf
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Gonna attempt this with A4T, this looks awesome great work! @frigid maple

frigid maple
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Cheers

Just wondering, how many trident/moving bed users? Would a chute be of use for many?

hollow ledge
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I'm specifically looking at this as a solution for my Trident, so put me down as a user.

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Got my aliexpress order in, hoping it clears customs before tariffs kick in.

sage mulch
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Trident user here too. A chute would be nice, but not a must-have. Removing poops from the bottom of the printer is easy enough.
A chute to an internal bucket of course, not one to the outside (would reduce ambient temps, so no-go).

hollow ledge
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I agree that a chute to an internal bucket would be best for my use-case. A chute itself it not necessary. My only concern is in the video it looks like the poop is just yeeted off randomly. If there were some way to control the poop so that it lands in a bucket it would be ideal for me. At least some way to control it so it doesn't end up back on the build plate when the bed is lower, it would be helpful.

sage mulch
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Yeah, it shouldn't end up on the build plate; that might cause problems.

unreal plank
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Planning for 2 tridents here.

last yoke
woven robin
errant yew
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I have a home for this on a Trident 250 - Ali parts order in 😀

uncut flare
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@frigid maple Pretty sure everything will be here either today or tomorrow, still planning on releasing this for testing?

frigid maple
hollow ledge
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Got my parts from Ali today 🎉 Looking forward to what you come up with!

sage mulch
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Still waiting for my parts to arrive, so take your time... 😉

woven robin
bleak slate
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Since a few of those parts are no longer available, Can we list out the actual spec? maybe we can print them with a fine nozzle

frigid maple
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They should be fairly generic things.

bleak slate
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The gear rack and heat sink links are broken.
Mostly I want to know the spec on the 2 gears since it wasn’t listed. I can design them in CAD but not sure if they’ll print decent without a tiny nozzle

uncut flare
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I have some extra parts since most of this stuff came in larger batches.

frozen violet
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As do I

uncut flare
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I think the only thing that didn't come with extras actually might be the gears :/

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since apparently i only ordered 2 instead of 10

frozen violet
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I’m pretty sure I ordered everything in quantities of 10

bleak slate
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if you've got spares I would love to know the tooth counts, thicknesses, and hole diameter. I have a quick model already

frozen violet
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Won’t be able to get that info until I’m home this afternoon, Eric may be able to quicker

frigid maple
bleak slate
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No rush, I'm at work too

bleak slate
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both, though I guess length is more applicable for the rack than tooth count

primal falcon
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My parts came yesterday too. I am ready!

woven robin
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Parts have arrived. countdown to lift off

slate bear
# frigid maple

I would kindly request a shorter (but maybe taller) bucket for the Tident, as I want to use RCSC Fans on the side. But if it's just that, that is missing, i will most likely be able to make that part myself 🙂

frigid maple
slate bear
white wolf
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Ready when you are😏

rigid laurel
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Is there anyone in the US that knows where to get the M0.5 gear rack? It seems to be non existent....

uncut flare
slate bear
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The link with the 0.5 gear is still working for me.

frozen violet
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Are you located in the US?

The problem is that a lot of things aren’t available to US customers as some of the sellers are AliExpress will not ship to the US under current conditions

slate bear
frozen violet
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Yeah, the link is good if you’re outside the US, it is dead for US customers is all, and there’s like no alternative that I can find atm

slate bear
frozen violet
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Nice find, I didn’t see any last time I looked

frigid maple
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original design was done on something like this set: https://www.amazon.com/JISTL-Plastic-Single-Double-Reduction/dp/B00V66YJQI so that should have all you need, I just seperated them out as from ali express its like $3

last yoke
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Can’t wait to test it

last yoke
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still no news ? 🙂

frigid maple
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Had a few delays testing one I hope will be happy.

Note to self don't print version in pla then put in 65degree chamber......

frigid maple
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Okay it feels good interested to see how it prints for others. I will say the base needs to be out of something stiff at this stage. ASA CF seems to be good. Tolerances are mega tight. I have printed it on 3 different printers so I hope most can print it. But if your tunes out it won't work.

frozen violet
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Base needs to be stiff? Aka the stock AT Brush part?

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Also, full A1 brush style plz

frigid maple
frigid maple
frozen violet
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NODDERS okay

frigid maple
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dont get me wrong this probably isn't the best design in the world and I'm sure someone will improve on it greatly that actually knows engineering 😄

bleak slate
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hello, I know engineering lol 😂

frozen violet
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I'm only giving ya a hard time because the normal A1 brush is really common.. and I have like 150 of them

frigid maple
bleak slate
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I assume the base AT-brush gets some mods to work with this?

frigid maple
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let me export STLs of the parts and outline what stock parts you use.

frozen violet
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Should just be the end nibbit that's changing on the brush, right?

frigid maple
frozen violet
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... of course you would lol

frigid maple
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had to else it wasn't stiff enoughj

frozen violet
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Want a really expensive stock bit?

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Mine is stiff enough it'll move my gantry

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idk what you're talking about

frigid maple
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def try your one without it, but I found it got lose over time with the extra stress

frozen violet
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seeing as mine is entirely printed in PPS-CF.... it's a little snug

frigid maple
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yea you might be fine there then I was testing in ABS

bleak slate
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mine in ABS is so loose

frozen violet
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mine has 0 movement in PPS

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PPS is goood stuff

frigid maple
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@sudden bough ^^

frozen violet
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@sudden bough you should print this

sudden bough
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Ohh it’s time to print!!

frigid maple
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certainly print at your risk.

frigid maple
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That is where to trim the gear rack

sudden bough
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think PA6-CF20 is ok?

frigid maple
frigid maple
white wolf
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Gonna give this a try (it's abs for now, ASA-CF on the way😅)

white wolf
frigid maple
white wolf
frigid maple
white wolf
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Just did that as I reassembled it, I didn't know which screw should be going into the gear (the arm gear) I mean the first one is the 15 mm but the second one just wouldn't work, enden up using a set screw

frigid maple
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oh on the activator actually didn't add a 2nd the hole is there but not finished 😄

white wolf
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Lol so I made use of it, I don't think a set screw is that bad of an idea but I'm sure you have it all planned out

frigid maple
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I actually fount it wasn't needed a new screw is a nice idea tho, I was going to doa countersunk m3

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I should add this as a proper remix. But I did this allows you to get closer into the corner also. Helps a bit.

white wolf
frigid maple
unreal plank
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Files on printer now! I have a roll of ABS-GF that's still unopened, but I want to see how normal ABS holds up first. Printing for 2 different Tridents. First will be a 300 with XoL, Cartographer, and Carto mount. Second is a 250 with SB, Carto, and Carto mount.

If these work as well as they look, I'm gonna call them my "Squatty Potties"... cause they'll be giving me a better poop 🤣

white wolf
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So ABS flexes... A LOT
I'm thinking maybe this can all be one piece? But that would mean it'll have to be separate from AT Brush.
Another thought is maybe having screws along the two side "rails" for rigidity.

frigid maple
# white wolf

in normal ABS it does, something with CF its very ridged.

white wolf
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Had to try it out before the ASA-CF roll I ordered came

frigid maple
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Yea I'm still not massively happy with the flex at high chamber temps causing inconsistant moves on the pusher.

frozen violet
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Time to print it in PEEK so there’s no melting

sudden bough
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hmm maybe cnc some parts on the milo

frigid maple
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PPS should be on its way.

frigid maple
sudden bough
white wolf
sudden bough
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This is what I got

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Unsure on rest of assembly

white wolf
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Give me a sec I'll disassemble mine and take a pic

white wolf
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Idk if I did something wrong cause I did it by feel, but make sure you insert the arm in the top plate, then screw the gear

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I couldn't do it any other way

frigid maple
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screw for gear I do from the bottom actually but thats actually probably a better idea, from below was easier in a previous model/idea

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@sudden bough cutting guide for the rack is on github

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I will do a printable guide at some stage but should be easy like that

last yoke
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Should we filing this flat ?

sudden bough
frigid maple
frigid maple
# last yoke

Nope as is, you will screw through it with m2 for the pusher and into it for the activator

sudden bough
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yea that PA6-CF did not come out well

frigid maple
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Good to see them working that my print tolerances weren't to insane.

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code uploaded for the "pooper" macros

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written a rough readme on how to install and the important variables.

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the code is a big part for next update, it works as it is, but I want to do some better things with it.

slate bear
# frigid maple in normal ABS it does, something with CF its very ridged.

Just a note here, I thought the same and had my "old" brush mount printed in asa cf. The problem with the rigid/stiff materials like asa cf is that it breaks instead of flexing.
If it flexes with normal ASA/ABS and does not with ASA CF, that means it is under stress and should include some stiffeners like screws,

white wolf
# frigid maple

Is there a chance to get the STEP files for it?
Ofc feel free to say no🙃
Or perhaps just for this part?

frigid maple
last yoke
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Abs-CF, let’s see if this work

white wolf
frigid maple
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Yea thats one way to do it, also when parked the nozzle should be more in the middle.

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I am wondering how much adjustability is actually needed.

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will have a look at that, as could make a massive change in stiffness with out y adjustability

white wolf
frozen violet
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A1 brush first /s

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I need to order some mini brushes…

frigid maple
frozen violet
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Shoot me a STEP file later lol

last yoke
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In abs CF, it flex to much

hollow ledge
white wolf
hollow ledge
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It's a good idea and keeps the base files adjustable

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If there's no need/ability to adjust in Y, the entire base looks like it could be one piece, keeping the same z adjustment. It also might be able to be centered on the mounting bracket then, reducing the moment force from the toolhead.

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I'm just brainstorming out loud here. It's exciting to see this getting some attention. Looking forward to how this evolves. If I get some time, I might throw something together in CAD (if I can figure it out)

last yoke
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Ps: need to tune the poop 😅

hollow ledge
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Gonna pop a blood vessel pushing that hard

last yoke
white wolf
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Anyonw else got that?

frigid maple
frigid maple
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Actually just remove that save_variables as its not used currently

frigid maple
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last 2 lines in the file

last yoke
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disabling the fan seams not to work .... I puted the line 101 variable_part_cooling_fan: 0 but this do nothing 🙂

frigid maple
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but it will return to your previous value after its pooped.

last yoke
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okay 🙂

white wolf
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Trying to figure the X Y values here, I don't understand the reference

frigid maple
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ignore them.

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variable_brush_start
variable_brush_width
variable_purge_x

Should be all you need to set for it to work.

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There is alot of gunk left, as I havn't had time to refactor it, as I've been so focused on the hardware, the longterm plan is to redo it as a direct AFC macro

white wolf
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Copy that thanks!

white wolf
hollow ledge
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Looks like it's yeeted pretty aggressively

white wolf
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Gonna have to take a look later, I don't have a bucket, until now I opened the side panel at let her rip outside

frigid maple
frozen violet
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Just need a brush

rigid laurel
white wolf
white wolf
frigid maple
# frozen violet

needs a little fix, when not together push the pusher part as far left as possible so you get full travel.

frozen violet
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It has full travel, it’s binding in the printed bit a little

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Entire my prints fault

unreal plank
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🤬🤬 either ordered the wrong freaking springs or China sent me the wrong ones. Mine are 3mm-10mm, so they're too short. Anyone near Riverside, CA have 2 extra springs you wanna sell me? Not selling the right ones on Prime and don't wanna wait for aliexpress 😞

earnest vector
unreal plank
earnest vector
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that was my thought as well

unreal plank
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for anyone thats already assembled one. Did you only put the 1 long 2.5mm screw in the activator into the gear rack? Im not seeing a second 2.5mm buttonhead on the BOM, but it looks like it should take a smaller (like 6mm) from the bottom to have 2 screws into the gear rack, instead of just the one long one. Or is it only the one long one and it holds it fine?

frigid maple
frigid maple
frozen violet
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Freshly video, it’ll do the entire thing just not consistently

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Good enough to fling a poop tho

frozen violet
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And I got brushes…

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I should think about installing it now lol

little temple
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I found all the links that work for US buyers if interested. All are AliExpress alternate links except for the gear rack. I found it on ebay.

All availible in USA
0.3mm x 4mm OD x 10mm L spring ($2.07)
(Original) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004199112613.html

28102B M0.5 plastic gear ($2.71)
(Original) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000206649802.html

M0.5 gear rack ($3.65)
(Original) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006151643605.html
(ALT_1 Ebay) https://www.ebay.com/itm/391236958330
(ALT_2 Amazon) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DNFTL369

A1 mini wipers ($1.78)
(Original) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007625680159.html
(Alternative) https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808504425649.html

15mm x15mm x 1mm Copper Pad/heatsink ($2.94)
(Original) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004455030521.html
(Alternative) https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805127022125.html

last yoke
unreal plank
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Just waiting on Amazon to hurry and get here with my springs 😞

Loving these things so far and I haven't even finished building them, lol

frigid maple
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Glad they are going well for people. 😉

frigid maple
last yoke
frigid maple
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Ah nice.

last yoke
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works good, let's see with time

hollow ledge
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I'm getting layer shifts with this mod now. Is there a way to increase current during the wiper activation similar to how the AFC_CUT current can be changed? I tried SET_TMC_CURRENT STEPPER=stepper_y CURRENT=1.8 but I got an error when it did the first poop. I'm running kalico btw, if that matters.

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Never mind, I had a variable set wrong. I do think having the ability to change the current could be helpful for this macro

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Going to test this on a print tomorrow. It’s too late now.

frigid maple
hollow ledge
frigid maple
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More I'm interested in the info for others later down the road.

hollow ledge
# frigid maple what motors and amps?

I'm running the LDO Trident rev D kit with 42STH48-2004MAH on A/B. I've had 1.8a on the cut current, but not sure I want to use that high for the pooper, might be a little spicy for the 70-ish seconds it's active. I'm going to play around with some values today hopefully. I don't know that I would use that as a baseline/recommendation

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Also, I have a couple recommendations for macro improvement:

  1. The included macro requires QGL to be done. That's not applicable to the Trident, so I had to remove that condition
  2. I recommend having an approach position in front of the brush. I noticed when it went straight to the first position from my cut location, the carriage clipped the activator pin. To prevent that, I added the first line here:
G1 X{tp.brush_start} Y{position_y} F{tp.travel_spd_xy}
G1 X{tp.purge_x} F{travel_to_purge_xy}```
frigid maple
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Cheers for them.

1 - thats a good call, I only have a 2.4 os will look at it.
2 - if your brush start is set properly it shouldn't be able to hit it. so intested to see how yours moves for that one.

hollow ledge
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If the toolhead was to the left of the brush, it would move directly to the brush start, so it would move too far back in y before it cleared the activator in x direction

hollow ledge
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Here’s a video and a couple pics of my setup. First print since making the current adjustment. Hoping for no later shifts this time

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I made a one piece, non-adjustable bracket to increase rigidity

frigid maple
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on thats interesting your using that toolhead mount too, glad that works well also.

I know why you needed the extra to clear the activator, I cut at the front so dont see it going close cutting at the back is something I did think about having an issue with.

hollow ledge
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Yeah, I extended the activator to have better engagement with the carriage. I felt better about using that as opposed to the magents of the klickyPCB. Those things tend to shatter under too much force

white wolf
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I mean this distance, I wonder if it's gonna be the same across machines (likely not) but if the deviations are small it might make things easier/ make a parametric model feasible

hollow ledge
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I remixed mine from the original STLs in Sundee's repo. Great minds think alike tho 😉
Mine ended up being 93mm from the front

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This is by far not an optimized design. I just hacked at it and made it overly beefy. The print orientation on the part that attaches to the gantry is also suspect. Wants to try to break along layer lines when installed.

white wolf
hollow ledge
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I think the (stock) trident dimensions might be a little less variable than the 2.4 given the bed mounts

winter quiver
white wolf
rigid laurel
white wolf
frigid maple
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I think adjustability is important. working around making it stiffer with adjustment is key.

wanton mirage
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@frigid maple is ther a project page for this? (probably should get it pinned in this thread)

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sorry found it.

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aww snaps cant find the gear rack, the page 404's

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ahh found the ebay link. 😉

earnest vector
slate bear
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So I finally received my parts as well, I am using a Trident 300. Should I print the original Parts or is there already a Remix for that setup?

white wolf
slate bear
frigid maple
frozen violet
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PPS-CF has absolutely 0 play when all assembled. Suuuuper rigid

wanton mirage
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I don't have parts yet, still in transit. Can someone point me in the right direction for macros for this? (sorry, wiper/poop noob here)

white wolf
wanton mirage
white wolf
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So I've moved from a side motion cutter to a backwards motion cutter(A4T-AFC) and each time after the cut when the toolhead moves to pooper_park it hits the actuator arm ever so slightly.
Is there a way to take into account the type of cutting to force an X movement before Y? Or not take the cutting motion and just have the ability to edit the movement order

hollow ledge
white wolf
hollow ledge
white wolf
# hollow ledge

Ok got it, so that's the problem with my setup, I need to move on X prior to Y, basically can be a straight move back once I cleared the depressor pin AND the actuator arm of the pooper, so I think about 40 mm in X and then continue as usual

hollow ledge
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Like I said, this is just what solved my problem. You could tweak or take inspiration from there. For me, I move to a position just in front of the park position, no matter where I start the move from.

white wolf
frigid maple
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ah yea with that way of cutting you need an extra move after the cut realy to ensure you are clear of hte cutting arm.

hollow ledge
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Anyone running into issues with poops not staying in the right place? I’m getting quite a few that end up getting caught and flung up either onto the build plate or trapped in the mechanism. Had one jam so bad that it snapped the activator pin off the rack.

frigid maple
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Usually would be down to some tuning of the purge, could be over purging - not enough cooling - or not close enough to nozzle.

hollow ledge
trim hill
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Seems like some of the Ali links don’t work anymore

bleak slate
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correct, cause tarriffs. there have been a few amazon or ebay links shared that had the parts as well

frigid maple
frozen violet
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The other issue being that some links will work for you, but not US based people

frigid maple
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Yea with noone wanting to ship to the US 😄

frozen violet
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This is directly due to the tariff and political situations right now.

frigid maple
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exactly, luckily most stuff should be possible state side on amazon

shrewd parrot
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I just found this project today.
It looks great! I'm still working on my Box Turtle but I already have the Blobifier pretty much all installed and ready.
I'm now thinking about just doing this instead, as I love that you don't need to lower the Z when purging.
Are people finding that the purged blobs are consisntely landing in the same area? Do they reliably go into a printed bucket at the rear-left corner of the enclosure?
Is it still consistent as well at a higher z?

frigid maple
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it moves with gantry so no change at any height,
Poops to a tray is fairly consistant, tweeks will come soon enough to help

shrewd parrot
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Is it still consistent as well at a higher z?
Just to clarify, I meant do the purged blobs still consistently land in the bucket when the gantry is at a higher z.
Sounds good! It looks like a nice way to purge filament!

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@trail folio
Just checking, have you seen this mod? It seems like something you'd find interesting.

trail folio
# shrewd parrot <@1051499583823429743> Just checking, have you seen this mod? It seems like som...

Looks cool but from Bambu experience anything that purges next to/inside a chute can clog if the poops are not perfect.

You only need one to cause a clog in the system which then causes a second purge on it resulting in a cascade of blobs and leading to bent nozzles, skipped steps etc.

Personally I prefer to keep it simple - even the blobifier servo mechanism is borderline for my taste 🙂

also don’t forget the need to shake the bucket to spread out the pellets. Without that you’ll quickly fill up that small exposed area.

For a trident it’s fine but not for a 2.4

bleak slate
frigid maple
frigid maple
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I will say its not perfect but its been a long time testing and its best its been so far,

I was a big blobifier fan, and did the AFC conversion for it. But I found my print times were so long just due to Z moves, and loss of bed due to them so it annoyed me.

shrewd parrot
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I have a 2.4 myself.
I still might end up trying this out at some point, as I really do like the idea of not needing to move Z when purging.

trail folio
# shrewd parrot I have a 2.4 myself. I still might end up trying this out at some point, as I re...

I don’t want to come across as super critical as this mod is exceptional for the trident. However for the 2.4 there are some design considerations to be thought off.

In a 2.4 you have very little space to store the pellets unless you shake the blobifier bucket, which spreads them under the bed.

So you’ll need one way or another to lower Z and shake the bucket to allow you to store more than 100-120 or so purge poops that fit in the exposed bucket area. Vs 600-800 if you shake the bucket.

Alternatively you can fit a taller bucket which would alleviate it somewhat but you are limited to how tall it can be (and how easily you can remove it during print to empty it).

For a trident, different story and this mod is excellent for it! ESP as there are no real alternatives for it other than using the bed as a surface to create the pellets. Which has its own set of issues (pellets dislodging and staying on the bed instead of in the bucket)

Regarding tool change time don’t forget the taller the print the more benefit you have. However equally you can really push the z speed and accel of a 2.4 without much of a compromise. Just take a look at the stealth hanger videos to see how quickly the gantry can go!

slate bear
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@frigid maple do you have any idea when cad will be available? No stess, I won't be available the next week and haven't even finished my bt. Just curious 🙂

little temple
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I'm really struggling to figure out how this connects. Does anybody have a picture of what it looks like in this area fully completed?

frozen violet
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The m3 screw from the top screw into it

little temple
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the 15mm one?

frozen violet
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I believe so, yes

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The hole on the gear rack isn’t quite 3mm so it threads into it to hold it

little temple
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Awesome! Now if I can just get it slide more smoothly I should be good

frozen violet
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I put a little bit of super lube in mind, and worked it a bunch by hand

little temple
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I am doing something silimar

little temple
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Wanted to add this here for anybody else. Putting this together if you're having trouble with the slider not sliding well, take a Dremel and shear off some of the back of this plate. Mine was too tight against the gear wheel and was having trouble moving back and forth once I took some of the material off the back of that gear piece. Mine is sliding like normal now

bleak slate
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@frigid maple any chance for the CAD? offset to that side doesn't look like it will work on my SF

little temple
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I have to move my plunger toward the front a little bit, but that's okay. I'm not losing that much in the corner overall. Printing the new plunger now. Hopefully I'll have a working poop scraper soon 🙂

little temple
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@frigid maple I really appreciate this mod but unfortunately the sv08 platform cannot use this because of the way that the bottom plate is raised up in the back. Unfortunately I'm going to have to find a different solution and I was really excited about this.

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If anybody else wants this, I'll gladly send it to them. It's printed in ASA-GF

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Not sure if it could be adjusted because of the way the the mechanical part works. It would be right on this downslope

little temple
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At this point I'm just talking to myself in here but I think I might just raise my bed 5 mm or cut out the piece in the back back there. I really want this mod to work 😎

hollow ledge
little temple
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It is botoming out, I can't shorten it anymore. Also I can shorten it anymore or it will hit my toolhead. I think I am just going to raise my bed a few mm's. I feel like if I cut this it will interfere with the gears in action

little temple
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Okay I raised the bed one M5 nut and that gave me the clearance I needed.

little temple
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Need to adjust the macros a little, but working as intended

little temple
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Has anyone adjusted their macro to go back and to the left versus going diagonal back into the left? If that makes sense. It needs to come from the right and go to the left to initiate the mechanism, but if it comes at it at an angle and it doesn't hit that mechanism right it can screw it up. I can't be the only one that's running into this

little temple
frigid maple
uneven wharf
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Oh this is looking great...I might need this on my trident

last yoke
uneven wharf
last yoke
little temple
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All right, I think I got this thing licked thanks to some help from Big Chief. I also increased the size of the activator for the Xol-metrix. Printing a temporary poop bucket right now and I have some other ideas involving a fan that can move the poop out of the way once it's ejected

frigid maple
little temple
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little temple
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Overall it's just a bigger boot compared to the original

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It's probably bigger than it needs to be, but I had to make it from scratch and there's some pretty tiny measurements

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I would really love to cnc these parts out of metal. I really feel like the design works well

frigid maple
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I do think yours is certainly activating on a larger patch than I designed, not that its an issue 🙂

little temple
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Pretty consistently getting it to work. I'd say 19 out of 20 times. I still think I need to mess with positioning but overall it's working very well

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Food for thought. I removed the back portion of this so it doesn't make a true square. It's more of a u-shape, but it helps flinging the filament over to the wall

wanton mirage
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It's happening!

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Question, I'm not 100 understanding the instructions for the trimming of the rack, is it to line it up so the holes match the lengths? Or just to get it a specific size?

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It will probably be obvious to me once I try to actually assemble is what I am guessing.

wanton mirage
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Figured it all out, just waiting on a couple screws and this guy is going into service.

wanton mirage
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Does someone have some info about the screws and heatsets used to secure it to the mount?

little temple
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I used 5mm Hardware. Bolts and t-nuts to mount it to the back extrusion

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I believe the screw for the top to bottom was M3 35 or 40 mm

bleak slate
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That’s all from the AT-brush repo so could look there

wanton mirage
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Sorry I meant these.

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I used heatsets and m3x10's. hopefully that helps someone else.

mossy elbow
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Just realized it's on this discord here 🤣 made a modification to use a1 brushes not those tiny mini brushes, don't know if someone already did this but I only had those in hand 👌

wanton vector
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For those interested, I was able to source all the parts from Amazon, here's the list. I printed it in abs and it's kinda flimsy, waiting on some PA6-CF and will re-print.

Gear and rack. https://a.co/d/0yazgUh
Extension spring. https://a.co/d/6blEmSZ
Copper heat sink. https://a.co/d/j3gcIP6
A1 mini nozzle brush. https://a.co/d/2ALH6sy
M2 self tapping screws. https://a.co/d/c5Dmy5j

mossy elbow
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is there a chance to get the step file for the abp-at-arm ?
The boxturtle mount is super flimsy and i wanna design a sturdier mount for my usecase where i need it all the way extended on z and y

wanton mirage
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So I've got the ABP working, its a really nice thing. I did notice some issues though. With the POOPER_PARK to AFC_CUT I am ramming into the ABP trigger, it seems the toolhead moves to the y fast enough (or first) and it hits the ABP pin. any suggestions?

little temple
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I custom set my macros to do Y before x when parking and pooping. This ensures that the head sweeps from right to left and not diagonally. If that makes sense. I am not sure that is what you are asking about.

wanton mirage
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I found a way to do it. I'm utilizing the AFC_PARK macro in the ACF_CUT macro to move to the XY of AFC_PARK , hopefully it does not have any unintended issues when doing swaps.

little temple
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Did you know that you can live adjust any of the settings in the AFC_Macro_Vars.cfg? I found it incredibly helpful trying to get filament changes and all the minuet settings that can be adjusted.

little temple
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I feel like that should be in the install docs. I found it by random on a search on here.

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Before I knew you caould do that I had to restart a print to check changes during the print. Instead of adjusting it while it was printing. Way more helpful.

shrewd parrot
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Good to know

little temple
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Keep in mind, anything that you change only changes it in memory. You have to go into the actual CFG and save the change for it to stick but it will still apply it to the current print as you're printing which really saves so much time

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I literally shaped all of my variables that needed adjustment in one print instead of 5 to 10 or however many it could take.

latent ivy
hollow ledge
# latent ivy I’m having the same issue…. Were you able to figure out a solution?

Unfortunately I did not. I’m testing a belt-driven purge management system on my Trident. It’s not ready to be shared yet as we’re working out some of the kinks. I’ll share that in other channels once ready as to keep this channel on topic. I do like ABP, it just wasn’t fitting my needs. There’s many ways to deal with poops, this is just one great gantry-mounted option.

latent ivy
hollow ledge
zealous meteor
# frigid maple

Hey! just wondering where you got the poop catcher file from?

frigid maple
hollow ledge
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I've got spare racks, gears, and springs I can send to anyone who needs some. US based. Just pay shipping. edit: They fit fine in a standard envelope so I'm happy to just drop them in the mail assuming you're willing to accept the risk

lost ore
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Does the CAD exist for this anywhere? Looks like the stock version will not work with my toolhead (anthead) so looking to make something that will.

frigid maple
lost ore
frigid maple
bleak slate
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If you ever do let me Know so I can try to shrink it to Saladfork dimensions

lost ore
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Gone mine all going with a single piece as well for rigidity. Had to move the activator over as well since the piece of the body it hits on is not the beacon/carto mount. Works nicely though!

vernal kettle
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Is there a solutions to use ABP with Tap Tap?

frigid maple
vernal kettle
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I mean the voron standard tap mount. Or did I need beacon? 🧐

frigid maple
vernal kettle
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Nope...it doesn't 😄 I was hoping someone might have built something, but then i'll just upgrade to Beacon.

grim cave
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Are the step files somewhere available? I would like to make an mod of the whole base...

bleak slate
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They are not atm

hasty laurel
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Will my Archetype Mjolnir toolhead work as-is, or would I need to modify the arms for it to fit?

frigid maple
little temple
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Just wanted to post a thank you. This has been working well for a few months now. I still get about 10% that doesn't "flick" perfectly. But it works.

slate bear
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I finally tried assembling my abp, but it doesn't fit together at all, am I the only one? It won't move at all, there is no tolerance between the gears on mine, I even tried to dremel away the walls a good bit, but it's not working

bleak slate
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did you have shrink compensation on?

slate bear
# bleak slate did you have shrink compensation on?

no, i printed with my standard voron settings. After a lot of material removal with my dremel I got it to work mostly. Sometimes it still get's stuck. But I have another question I am not to sure about. on the gear rack that get's connected to the "lever" arm, how am I meant to install the second screw? there is no space for the screw head on the top or bottom.

frigid maple
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I'm going to be blunt here - if you have tolerence issues, you need to tune your printer properly. Tolernces are tight on it for a reason, but most people have it working easily after properly tuning.
I have printed this on 3 differant printers with no issues.

slate bear
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okay, yeah as i said after a lot of convincing it is mostly working now, i think with a littlebit of breakin it'll work. but can you tell me how the second bigger gear rack get's screwed in? at the moment I only have the one screw that goes thourgh the lever installed.

frigid maple
slate bear
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okay good, I thought i was supposed to screw a screw into the second hole next to the lever

wanton mirage
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Hi @frigid maple ,
First, Thank you for making this mod, I use it and it is great.
I'm trying to find a way to move the brush ~1-2mm closer to the bed. my toolhead only reaches the first set of bristles. Is there a step file avaialible that I can just fudge the brush tray forward a bit?

wanton mirage
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So I am having an occasional problem with ABP, it seems the first layer purge movement is significantly slower than the rest of the print. Does anyone have some advise or know how I can get it to speed up on that first layer purge?

wanton mirage
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Does anyone else encounter this issue?

frigid maple
wanton mirage
uneven wharf
wanton mirage
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I would assume they probably do.

wanton mirage
uneven wharf
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Ok one sec I'll check it out

uneven wharf
wanton mirage
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wonder if its something do do with this.
{% set travel_to_purge_xy = travel_spd_xy * 0.2 %}

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I see this in the macro. G1 X{purge_x} F{travel_to_purge_xy}

uneven wharf
wanton mirage
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I'm assuming everyone running this macro has this problem then?

frigid maple
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there are some speeds set in ABP to protect the unit, as I found moving at full pace caused unreliable results.

They are that way in the file for you to tweak as you feel safe to.

uneven wharf
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Finally got this assembled.. still need the brush and copper plate but it's working.. really cool setup..thanks for this @frigid maple

frigid maple
inner swan
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Well this is gonna be fun 😄

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by mistake I just ordered 0.5mm thick heatsink pad, guess Im gonna stack two 😄

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Now to find not completely outrageously overpriced ASA CF

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but I think 3do will do 😄

frigid maple
inner swan
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Btw I hope it won't hurt anything that I ordered a 0.5mm thick heatsink instead of the 1mm as they were currently sold out on those

frigid maple
obtuse yarrow
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Hey this a preatty smart poopy solution. I am trying to build one. Is the taller boot actuator STL available somewhere (the one that hits the carriege)?

little temple
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SOO Close. I switched to the Jabberwqocky and it sets forward about 10mm than my XOL.

little temple
hollow ledge
little temple
frigid maple
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or I thought it was.

frigid maple
frigid maple
vernal kettle
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Is there a MOD that uses the large silicone brush?

inner swan
frigid maple
inner swan
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Well thats fun to find out

frigid maple
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It works and will work no issues. I just am not running it anymore.

inner swan
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Well I havent assembled mine yet because I dont have the screws

frigid maple
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ABP - A Better Poop - No longer supported.

white wolf
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Anyone has a good poop tray to go with this?
Running it on a 350 2.4

frigid maple