Disaster BT | ArmoredTurtle 3D | Page 2

gray spruce Mar 3, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Tried a few things ..still no go

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is there a command to by pass the BT

keen vapor Mar 3, 2025, 11:55 PM

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disable AFC either by uncommenting it or by setting up a bypass filament sensor switch

gray spruce Mar 3, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Ok I was going to remove it from the Voron but dont want to remove the code for now

keen vapor Mar 4, 2025, 12:10 AM

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jsut comment out [include AFC/*] in printer.cfgt

gray spruce Mar 4, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I did

gray spruce Mar 4, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Well guess It's done wont home now ...calling it a nite

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Have a good nite

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I looked at the extruder on the BT I can see the bmg gear moving a bit ( smidge) when moving the filament manual

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_CLIENT_LINEAR_MOVE E=50 F=300

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wont print now that Commented out the BT

keen vapor Mar 4, 2025, 1:02 AM

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no idea what is generating that command

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never seen that before.

gray spruce Mar 4, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Leave it to me to be the first 😀

naive nymph Mar 4, 2025, 1:16 AM

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keen vapor never seen that before.

That’s how the extruder and all movements get call out with the web guis

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 1:25 AM

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Getting " internal prep Error "

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TMC 'AFC_stepper lane1' reports error: DRV_STATUS: 00190010 s2vsa=1(ShortToSupply_A!) cs_actual=25
Once the underlying issue is corrected, use the
"FIRMWARE_RESTART" command to reset the firmware, reload the
config, and restart the host software.
Printer is shutdown

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 1:41 AM

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bad dstep driver ?

keen vapor Mar 12, 2025, 1:43 AM

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miswired stepper driver

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is probably ABAB or ABBA instead AABB

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 1:45 AM

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all i did was put the BT back on

keen vapor Mar 12, 2025, 1:45 AM

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i'm just telling you what short to supply means.

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 1:45 AM

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gotcha undedrstand

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ill just remove the BT then

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 3:29 AM

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Not sure .. i was able to get a print done without the BT

keen vapor Mar 12, 2025, 3:37 AM

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It’s a BT stepper driver throwing that error ….

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Not your printer

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 9:17 AM

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None of the wiring has changed so I'll change the stepper motor

keen vapor Mar 12, 2025, 11:19 AM

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you don't have to change anything to start

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just test continuity on the stepper motor wires for lane 1 and verify the pairings

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 9:55 PM

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Checked each lead from stepper motor to afc connection get a beep and reading

keen vapor Mar 12, 2025, 9:56 PM

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<@&1304550334839918672> can someone else help mike diagnose his short to supply issue please

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Thanks ..thunderkeys

gray spruce Mar 12, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Had to head out I'll mess it tomorrow nite

keen vapor Mar 13, 2025, 12:14 AM

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Mike - what I'd like you to verify:

disconnect he stepper motor wire from the AFC-Lite.
test for continuity between the 4 pins. there should be two pins that 'pair up' for two sets (set A and B). Tell me what order the continuity is (AABB, ABAB, or ABBA).
do this for all 4 stepper motors.
take a picture of yoru stepper motor driver chips, from the top where the labels are. make sure the labels are visible.

we'll diagnose further from there.

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 1:43 AM

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I will do that. But changed motor for fun.

sage latch Mar 13, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Post your klippy log please

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 1:49 AM

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📎 klippy.log

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Im just about ready wave the white flag

sage latch Mar 13, 2025, 1:54 AM

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For some reason the following is not in your config anymore, add this to the bottom of your AFC_Turtle_1.cfg or AFC_Hardware.cfg.

[AFC_led AFC_Indicator]
pin: Turtle_1:RGB1
chain_count: 4
color_order: GRBW

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 1:57 AM

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E  _ _   _ _
R |_|_|_|_|_|
R |         \____
O |              \ 
R |          |\ X |
! \_________/ |___|
  Turtle_1
9:57 PM
lane4 tool cmd: T3  LOCKED NOT LOADED
9:57 PM
lane3 tool cmd: T2  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL
9:57 PM
lane2 tool cmd: T1  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL
9:57 PM
lane1 tool cmd: T0  LOCKED NOT LOADED
9:57 PM
'Box Turtle' Turtle_1 Prepping lanes```

sage latch Mar 13, 2025, 1:58 AM

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So you have filament in your prep sensors for lanes 4 and 1 but not loaded in extruder, remove them and re-insert to load

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 1:59 AM

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i have zero filamewnt on turtle

sage latch Mar 13, 2025, 1:59 AM

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are your prep levers all the way closed?

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 2:01 AM

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1 moves but no action

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4 lever moves but no action

sage latch Mar 13, 2025, 2:02 AM

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give like a 5 second wait between triggering them

gray spruce Mar 13, 2025, 2:13 AM

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all 4 triggering

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R  _____     ____
E /      \  |  o | 
A |       |/ ___/ 
D |_________/     
Y |_|_| |_|_|
  Turtle_1
10:11 PM
lane4 tool cmd: T3  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL
10:11 PM
lane3 tool cmd: T2  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL
10:11 PM
lane2 tool cmd: T1  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL
10:11 PM
lane1 tool cmd: T0  EMPTY READY FOR SPOOL```

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strange thing is I did nothing expect remove th BT to fix tool head

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hardware wise

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Sorry to be a pain i nthe butt excuse the language

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now i have to figure out were the leds are located in the softwar e

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since I unloaded it and re-loaded

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Thanks

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Im going to be quiet as a mouse. .Sorry to bother

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 8:20 PM

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Were is the RGB for the TN2 code located on v0.0.0-1298-gcde2a73c-inferred to turn on the led /switch color

keen vapor Mar 16, 2025, 8:33 PM

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do you have this your config?

[AFC_led Buffer_Indicator]
pin: turtleneck:RGB
chain_count: 1
color_order: GRBW
initial_RED: 0.0
initial_GREEN: 0.0
initial_BLUE: 0.0
initial_WHITE: 0.0

along with led_index: Buffer_Indicator:1 in your AFC_buffer section

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it may not do anything on starutp ... try cahgning initial values and see if it lights up

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 8:34 PM

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I used back up and I get no LED

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Klipper reports: ERROR

Pin 'RGB' is not a valid pin name on mcu 'Turtle_1'

Once the underlying issue is corrected, use the "RESTART"
command to reload the config and restart the host software.
Printer is halted

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pin: Turtle_1:RGB
chain_count: 1
color_order: GRBW
initial_RED: 1.0
initial_GREEN: 0.0
initial_BLUE: 0.0
initial_WHITE: 0.0```

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 8:56 PM

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I just remvoed [AFC_led Buffer_Indicator] maybe TN2 is dead

keen vapor Mar 16, 2025, 8:58 PM

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i doubt it

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Unknown pin chip name 'turtleneck' all I keep getting

keen vapor Mar 16, 2025, 9:00 PM

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it woudl be to yoru benefit to stop just restoring from random backups and just configure it by hand

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you may have your turtleneck mcu defined differently

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if you called it e.g. Turtle_1 or tn2 or turtleneck2 it needs to match that for the pin name.

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 9:07 PM

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it loads until I put the buffer indicator in the hardwar.cfg then thats when it fails

abstract forge Mar 16, 2025, 9:07 PM

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your buffer isn't defined as turtleneck

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mcu turtleneck doesn't exist, that is what the error is telling you

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Fresh install same issue. ..Have a good day/evening

keen vapor Mar 16, 2025, 9:43 PM

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there is insufficient information to help us help you solve this problem.

I gave the default snipped needed for the LED - assuming the mcu is named 'turtleneck'. either your turtleneck mcu is not named turtleneck ,or it is not defined and you have an incomplete configuration.

please post updated full config folder

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 10:07 PM

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Is it possible that when installing from script that it's only installing turtleneck v1 and not for TurtleNeck v2. Since I was just chosing the defaults and adding the endstop pin.

keen vapor Mar 16, 2025, 10:08 PM

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The default is turtleneck 1 so yes.

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Can I change that ?

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Or. Option for v2 ?

abstract forge Mar 16, 2025, 10:11 PM

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It's an option when installing

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 10:12 PM

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What do i change it too as a option before hitting the I for install

abstract forge Mar 16, 2025, 10:13 PM

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It's one of the prompts during install

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 10:32 PM

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V2 finally just showed up this time

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on the script

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now I have find palce to put the TN2 serial

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 10:50 PM

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got it

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now lets see if i can calibate the bowden length

gray spruce Mar 16, 2025, 11:34 PM

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Nope ..ejecting filament after going forward

gray spruce Mar 17, 2025, 12:39 AM

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Working on the bypass so at least I can use the printer

gray spruce Mar 17, 2025, 2:49 AM

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I shelved the project at least I'm back to single color printing.

gray spruce Mar 17, 2025, 6:45 PM

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Got a question when testing the lane 1 the filament spool correct but when calibration bowden length. It rolls backwards

gray spruce Mar 18, 2025, 10:01 PM

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I ran the test lane =1 -4 all spin backwards with ! or no ! for direction pin

keen vapor Mar 18, 2025, 10:23 PM

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It’s not dir pin that controls that

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You need to swap rwd and fwd pin names

gray spruce Mar 18, 2025, 11:27 PM

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Thunder ..you Rock I would have never figured that out

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except it just loosened the whole spool instead of bowden length

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 12:00 AM

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something is a miss still

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its just unrolling the filament forward

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 1:08 AM

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afc_motor_rwd: Turtle_1:MOT1_FWD #RWD
afc_motor_fwd: Turtle_1:MOT1_RWD #FWD this is only thing i did ..

sage latch Mar 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

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A video when you run calibration I think will help us see what your are trying to describe so we can help get this working

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Let vme put the bad unwinded spool back on so it can unwind it more

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abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 11:00 AM

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You’re rewind direction is now backwards

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It tried to do a rewind when doing a retraction move while doing calibration and instead unwound a bunch

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 11:01 AM

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That's calibrating bowden length

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I changed the fwd/rwd only due to the roll was going wrong way
Something else I need to change too ?

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 11:07 AM

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Change your fwd/red back

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It’s backwards now

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It sounds like that was just hub length calibration too

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I heard the switch click and then it started going the opposite direction

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If that is intended to be Bowden calibration, your toolhead sensor is stuck/not working or incorrectly configured

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It loads to the hub, then does slow moves to the toolhead until it hits the toolhead sensor, then retracts a bit, then moves back in

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If the toolhead sensor is in a triggered state, it’ll think it’s loaded as soon as the hub sensor is hit

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But I can see in your video the spool is moving the wrong direction compared to the filament loaded in the lane

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 12:15 PM

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afc_motor_rwd: Turtle_1:MOT1_FWD #RWD
afc_motor_fwd: Turtle_1:MOT1_RWD #FWD this is only thing i did ..

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What i changed due to spool was only rotating backwards

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 12:17 PM

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This is incorrect now

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Please change it back

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Your video shows your unwinding filament when doing a retraction move

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 12:17 PM

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Thunder told me to change it

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 12:18 PM

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No, Thunder told you how to change it. Your video clearly shows it should be spinning the opposite direction it currently is

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So it needs changed back

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 12:19 PM

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Ok

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Ill change it tonight and make a new vid

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I thought I had a video of it just spinning backwards when running the test lane.

keen vapor Mar 19, 2025, 4:30 PM

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Pretty sure test lane runs the wheels “backwards” as that’s the rewind motion iirc

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I could be wrong

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Not at home to double check it for several days

sage latch Mar 19, 2025, 5:33 PM

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Yes TEST command moves the wheels in reverse like it's rewinding a spool

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Ok but the bowden length was doing the same thing

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Until I changed the fwd/rwd pin

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 5:56 PM

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You have a sensor stuck or one thing then. I would expect it to rewind when pulling filament back

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If you go watch the video you showed earlier it pulled filament back and your spool ran the wrong direction

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Correct not sure why it was moving forward for a few then went backwards until I hit emergency stop it would have unwinded the whole spool

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But I changed the two pin name to get the bowden length to even get the spool to go in correct direction in the 1st place. It was working correct in previous version of software. I have about 30 min tonight to mess with it

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:25 PM

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Original PINS ..making a video after printer is rebooted

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:27 PM

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👍

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:37 PM

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Pins back to default running bowden length lane 1

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:39 PM

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The respoolers are acting correctly based on what the filament is doing

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So that is correct

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:39 PM

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For going backwards?

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:39 PM

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Yes, your filament was being retracted by the turtle and the spoolers were rewinding it

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This is correct

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Shouldn't it be pushing filament to the tool head

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This is running the bowden tube length test

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Are you actually doing the Bowden calibration and not just the hub calibration?

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Yes bowden tube length

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:41 PM

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If so, you have your toolhead sensor stuck, or if you are still trying to do buffer ramming, the buffer is extended

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:42 PM

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rn_image_picker_lib_temp_6cf7c7fd-c6b3-4e57-a4bc-a8d9b9af6752.jpg

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:42 PM

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That is why

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Hold it shut until it hits your toolhead

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Filament went past hub and stopped turning all together

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Spinning backwards infinity with tn in

fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 8:57 PM

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do you have the sensors showing in mainsail?

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 9:02 PM

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yes

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fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 9:03 PM

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double check that the switches for turtle 1 compressed and extended are correct

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 9:04 PM

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out

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pic above was in

fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 9:05 PM

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your hub switch has an issue then since all of the lanes are empty but it is detected

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 9:07 PM

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I found a small piece of broekn filaemnt in the hub

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white filament go figure didnt see it

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fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 9:09 PM

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ok, try your tests again

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Nope stopped spinning forward now its re winding trying too automatic

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Ejected and keeps re winding infinity

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TN was in the whole time too

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Finally made it to the tool head then started screaming at me then it started auto rewinding ..sorry for all the typing

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Is it supposed to click and jitter like that on a rewind

fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 9:25 PM

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yeah, the extruder is doing short moves while the spooler is basically just running against its torque limits

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 9:26 PM

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afc_bowden_length: New: 2080.0 Old: 1725.0 at least I got a bowden tube length

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its a start

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its pushed out the TN 2 times durning the bowden tube test

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i held it in

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 11:02 PM

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You’re using ramming as your sensor, right? Because that’s what it needs to do

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Hold the TN only until it hits the toolhead, the let it expand on its own, and compress it slowly as it starts to retract

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Yes ramming

abstract forge Mar 19, 2025, 11:10 PM

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Yes, you need to assist closing the TN again when it starts retracting from the toolhead

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You should only need to hold the TN closed until filament is past it for initial load

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IMO, ramming shouldn’t be used when you have toolhead sensors available as an option

gray spruce Mar 19, 2025, 11:24 PM

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I can disable it

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The toolhead sensor

fleet forge Mar 19, 2025, 11:38 PM

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I think what they were saying is to use the toolhead for your entry sensor instead of ramming as it will be more consistent

gray spruce Mar 20, 2025, 12:05 AM

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I understand

gray spruce Mar 20, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Now none of tnr trigger are showing any signs of life when trying to load filament in the ptfe tubes even tried rebooting. White flag time ? Im sure you are all tired of trying to helping. So on that note...

gray spruce Mar 20, 2025, 9:42 PM

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what would cause lane 1/3 when pushing the filament ptfe tube backwards I can see the lane1 prep switch but no filament is not being pulled thru at all

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something with the load side ?

fleet forge Mar 20, 2025, 10:30 PM

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Check you switches again, otherwise though I am not sure what you are trying to describe

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Ill make a vid

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Some times they work .Just did a fresh install

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 12:52 AM

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You need to give some time between triggering each lane, like 2 seconds

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 12:53 AM

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I have tried that too

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Wont even load the filament

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I will give it a go

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Ran bowden legth finally got that

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but running T0 the TN2 keeps extending before filament getting to the tool head

fleet forge Mar 21, 2025, 1:15 AM

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this is why we suggested the toolhead sensor instead of ramming

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 1:18 AM

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I have a tool head sensor instead

keen vapor Mar 21, 2025, 1:20 AM

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then use it and disable filament ramming as your sensor.

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 1:20 AM

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I did 😀

keen vapor Mar 21, 2025, 1:20 AM

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then it’s fine if the TN extends during load sequence

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that’s normal

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 1:25 AM

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PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load |
lane1 | <--> | <--> |
lane2 | <--> | <--> |
lane3 | <--> | <--> |
lane4 | <--> | <--> |
HUB: <-> Tool: <->

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sweet finalky I got something right

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now to test extruding for correct tension then a 1st layer sqaure

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1 step at a time

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No extruding

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Turtle_1 Status
LANE  | Prep | Load |
lane1 | <--> | <--> |
lane2 | <--> | <--> |
lane3 | <--> | <--> |
lane4 | <--> | <--> |
HUB: <->  Tool: <->
10:06 PM
AFC_status
10:06 PM
PAUSING
10:06 PM
lane1 HUB NOT CLEAR WHEN TRYING TO LOAD```

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im sure Im missing something

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:08 AM

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What does the hub switch filament sensor in your gui look like

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:10 AM

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I for got to turn them back on

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back on

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@sage latch

fleet forge Mar 21, 2025, 2:16 AM

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when you do this it is better to screenshot since color matters

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:16 AM

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You also have something loaded to you toolhead it looks like

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:17 AM

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filament is loaded to the toolhead yes

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:18 AM

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So what are you trying to do then with that last command that you posted?

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The hub not clear one

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:20 AM

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sage latch So what are you trying to do then with that last command that you posted?

I ran t0 then i was goign to test the tensioner to make sure I had the right tension on the filament at the toolhead.

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:21 AM

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gray spruce I ran t0 then i was goign to test the tensioner to make sure I had the right ten...

Ok was lane one already loaded?

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:21 AM

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sage latch Ok was lane one already loaded?

Yes

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:22 AM

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sage latch Ok was lane one already loaded?

heated nozzle to 220 then hit extrude

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:22 AM

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So T0 won't work because its already loaded, you need to choose a different lane

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:22 AM

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sage latch So T0 won't work because its already loaded, you need to choose a different lane

ok

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 2:22 AM

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gray spruce heated nozzle to 220 then hit extrude

This should be fine though since a lane was already loaded

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 2:29 AM

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sage latch This should be fine though since a lane was already loaded

nothing

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I tried a fresh 1 st layer square fro mthe beginning, filment is now not making it to the tool head squealing

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for another night .. too tired to mes with it

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 3:17 AM

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11:07 PM
lane1 FAILED TO LOAD TO TOOL, CHECK FILAMENT PATH

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I dont know

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Im trying to update the afc software only allowing me to install which will overwite the settings

sage latch Mar 21, 2025, 9:39 PM

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It shouldn't, have you been uninstalling and reinstalling AFC? or started new with something that could mess with what the script uses to determine if a forced update is needed?

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 9:43 PM

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To update the AFC plugin software, you can simply run the following command:

cd AFC-Klipper-Add-On
./install-afc.sh

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erased my settings

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made a folder called afc back up

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removed the MCU folder

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ran 3 times and now it shows the update but already to late

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😀

abstract forge Mar 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

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The backup folder is all of your old configs and should be able to be restored entirely

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 9:49 PM

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trying that now !

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hopefully i can get something going this weekend

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Been way to long

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well that didnt work

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 10:13 PM

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all the folders are gone after rebooting

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under AFC

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wth

naive nymph Mar 21, 2025, 10:17 PM

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Ctrl f5 in your browser

gray spruce Mar 21, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Alredy tried that

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Im probaly going to format sd card and start all over

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:02 PM

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Moved sensor to top of the SB - able to calibrate the lanes. But when calibrating bowden length it keeps failing I can see the filament moving to the tool head and sensor is detected but calibtraion keeps failing

sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:04 PM

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can you post the message that your are getting in the console

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:08 PM

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yes hold

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:08 PM

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sage latch can you post the message that your are getting in the console

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lane1 failed to calibrate bowden length while moving to toolhead. Failed after 2125mm
if filament stopped short of the toolhead sensor/ramming during calibration
use the following command to increase bowden length
SET_BOWDEN_LENGTH HUB=Turtle_1 LENGTH=+(distance the filament was short from the toolhead)

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getting so close

sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:10 PM

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It tells you what command you need to run

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Increase your Bowden length and then run the calibration again

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:13 PM

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i have it set at 1650 right niow upped it to 1675

abstract forge Mar 22, 2025, 3:14 PM

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Up it to like 2500 then re-run calibration

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Unless I'm wrong on that, been a while since I did the calibration

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:17 PM

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trying it now

sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:22 PM

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abstract forge Unless I'm wrong on that, been a while since I did the calibration

Yeah don't make it that big, it then defeats the purpose of having error logic in case someone's sensor is not working. It the new logic weemantalla added to error out after Bowden length plus some value move

abstract forge Mar 22, 2025, 3:23 PM

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Hmm, I think in this case, unless it's at the toolhead 2200 or something is probably safe. It errored after a move of 2125 and not reaching the toolhead

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Point in this case being that 1675 isn't a big enough change to not error

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:23 PM

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did nt work any way. I put filamenent manual i nthe tool head sensor its triggering but when calibrating its not triggering the sensor

abstract forge Mar 22, 2025, 3:23 PM

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Are you reaching the toolhead?

sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:24 PM

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Fair point didn't look at the length in the printout 😬

abstract forge Mar 22, 2025, 3:25 PM

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Yeah, it was more of a 25mm change isn't enough in this specific scenario lol

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:26 PM

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Just short at 2500

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going to increase it

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was reaching it before not sure why its not now

sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Just keep increasing until it passes, and just watch to see how far it goes everytime

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:40 PM

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failed in same excact spot

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increased by 25mm

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ill increased it by another 50mm.. dont think its going to make a difference

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Calibration failed again

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sage latch Mar 22, 2025, 3:50 PM

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whats the number its printing out?

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 3:51 PM

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No number

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11:49 AM
lane1 failed to calibrate bowden length Failed retract from toolhead sensor after 100mm

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ok now its not retracting

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had to scroll further down

keen vapor Mar 22, 2025, 4:01 PM

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do you have a pullup on your toolhead sensor pin

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 4:09 PM

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if im in the right spot

keen vapor Mar 22, 2025, 4:13 PM

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add a ^ before the sb2040

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pin_tool_start: ^sb2040:gpio29

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 4:15 PM

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Ejected filament..what a mess

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crimson saffron Mar 22, 2025, 4:18 PM

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are your respooler working during eject ?

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maybe your rwd_speed_multiplier is too low

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 4:22 PM

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that was the ejext

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rwd_speed_multiplier: 0.5

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dang filament stopped to early again

abstract forge Mar 22, 2025, 5:11 PM

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check extruder tensions

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 5:26 PM

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already did that ..and just keeps failing over and over

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spool is stopping o nthe foeward now and also the retract keeps getting stuck

keen vapor Mar 22, 2025, 5:28 PM

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the terse word explanations are not getting us very far.

More videos and logs/configs and descriptions, perhaps even a synchronous voice chat with a teaching turtle if they are available, I think woudl get you a longer ways towards success.

and please, stop starting over from scratch every few days. it makes us have to retread the same ground over and over and over again. I’m startin gto feel like I’m in groundhog day

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https://tenor.com/view/groundhogday-6am-riseandshine-gif-4976232

Tenor

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(sent from the air at 35k feet, so apologies it the above comes off terse. we really do want to get your boxturtle up and working …)

gray spruce Mar 22, 2025, 7:27 PM

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No apology needed. I get it ...No worry about it.

gray spruce Apr 28, 2025, 1:07 AM

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I now just getting Clogs - new g2E print / cutter - rapido V2 UHF. I can get a uncloger all the way to the nozzle.

keen vapor Apr 28, 2025, 1:09 AM

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Mike, I suggest working with @nocturne solstice on this -- he has gotten you further than any of us 😂

I don't know why things just are not working for you ... your slicer setup at least looks fine (filametn ramming disabled) ...

gray spruce Apr 28, 2025, 1:10 AM

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keen vapor Mike, I suggest working with <@895414492513579008> on this -- he has gotten you ...

yes ramming disabled

gray spruce May 1, 2025, 12:56 AM

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What am I doing wrong
I printed the parts and the cutter is hitting the front plate ?

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keen vapor May 1, 2025, 12:59 AM

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what spring did you use

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but looks like the wrong part

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single and dual sensor versions

gray spruce May 1, 2025, 1:03 AM

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keen vapor but looks like the wrong part

i used single version

keen vapor May 1, 2025, 1:04 AM

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you did not use the filamatrix one

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https://github.com/thunderkeys/FilamATrix/blob/main/STLs/Clockwork2/main_body_clockwork2_single_switch.stl

GitHub

FilamATrix/STLs/Clockwork2/main_body_clockwork2_single_switch.stl a...

This is a mod of the Voron Stealthburner which adds a filament cutting possibility! - thunderkeys/FilamATrix

gray spruce May 1, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Reprinting

simple storm May 1, 2025, 4:44 AM

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I did the same thing

keen vapor May 25, 2025, 3:33 PM

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@gray spruce Please post your latest debug logs and state of the world and we'll try to get back to this. There's been so many different things we've been chasing over the past 5-6 months I'm not even sure where we are anymore.

I know @nocturne solstice worked with you directly and said your BT was working fine on all lanes, it was all toolhead issues. Sounds like that has since changed.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 3:54 PM

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I have the debugger installedd looking for the command

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 4:24 PM

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What is the current state of things? What works, what doesn’t?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 4:48 PM

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right now all green

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12:48 PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load |
lane1 | <--> | <--> |
lane2 | <--> | <--> |
lane3 | <--> | <--> |
lane4 | <--> | <--> |
HUB: <-> Tool: x

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sorry was outside

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 4:49 PM

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Toolhead sensor functioning properly?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 4:49 PM

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noithing in the tool head

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 4:52 PM

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The hub is showing triggered. Is there filament in the Hub? Also, did you get a chance to move to the D2HW switch for at least the hub?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 4:52 PM

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Yes all new switches and new hub

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 4:53 PM

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Cool... can you reliably load filament and switch between all lanes?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 4:53 PM

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No

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 4:54 PM

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OK. what is happening?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 4:54 PM

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It will switch a few lanes the intermittently get stuck in toolhead

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Or get stuck moving forward for next lane change

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It changes all the time

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lane1 | <--> | <--> |
lane2 | <--> | <--> |
lane3 | <--> | <--> |
lane4 | <--> | <--> |
HUB: x  Tool: x```

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ejected all 4 lanes

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running t0

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and so on

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I was trying like 10 times ..never even got past 2 passes

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

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Go ahead and gather the debug logs and post the termbin link. Here are the instructions:https://www.armoredturtle.xyz/docs/troubleshooting/troubleshooting.html#known-issues

Troubleshooting - Armored Turtle Documentation

Armored Turtle Project Documentation

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

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I found that

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i wwas trying to figure out how to run it

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

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you ssh into the raspberry pi

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:03 PM

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I ran it

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https://termbin.com/xgl9

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Thats pretty slick

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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When it is getting stuck unloading, is the filament still engaged in the gears?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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Im reading line by line

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yes

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I see no flat spots on the filament

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also very light teeth marks on the filament

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lane 1 mad e it

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switching to lane2 failed on rewind

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broke the filament

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3rd time it has done that

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:09 PM

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YOu have a sharp bend when entering the chamber?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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no

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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Actually. is there filament still stuck in the toolhead right now?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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yes I just removed it

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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how much was still below the gears?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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I thought you use a cutter?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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I do

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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That end doesn't look like a cut though.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Rewinding now

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Need more filament for lane1

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:14 PM

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I am leaning towards it is always getting stuck in the toolhead and sometimes breaking the filament. Next time it does this, remove the bowden from the toolhead, draw a line across where the filament enters, pull it out and show a pic please.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:14 PM

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Ok

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Let me get all new filament

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:17 PM

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I am curious to know how much is left in the toolhead when it occurs. I am not 100% on all of the tool values but I believe tool_stn_unload would need to be increased. @keen vapor ?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

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@ 71 right now

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

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Yeah, I saw. Lets see where the mark lands after it happens again.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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Loading filament

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Runniung T0

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Chirping at me

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And failed

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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OK. so it failed trying to unload?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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No load

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This time

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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So it made it to the toolhead hit the extruder gears.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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I thin kI might just send it out for a rebuild ..this is getting crazy

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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Calibrate the bowden length agin with the turtleneck closed.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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ok

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:34 PM

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gray spruce I thin kI might just send it out for a rebuild ..this is getting crazy

I think it is just things being lost in communication. We need to be slow and methodical. Get an exact description of the issue and perform one fix at a time.

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It will help you in the long run as you will understand how everything works as well.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Stuck

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Not stuck

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Stopped

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Calibration

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:37 PM

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what message do you have in the console?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:37 PM

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:38 PM

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not there. the actual console.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:38 PM

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1:36 PM
lane1 failed to calibrate bowden length Failed retract from toolhead sensor after 100mm

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

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OK. what does the toolhead sensor show currently?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

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detected

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

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But the filament isn't there

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

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nope

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Disconnect the bowden coupler and triple check.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:40 PM

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Empty

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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using a scrap of filament, exercise the toolhead senser a bunch of times and a few of those times. check the statuse a few times as well to ensure that it is as expected. If the room is quiet and you pay close attention, you can feel the switch click on and off.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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Yes did that before you chimed on

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But will do it again

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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do it like 20-30 times in a row and make sure everything is going smooth.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Piece must be stuck further down so let me take apart ounce again

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Don't need to take it apart

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:45 PM

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Staying detected

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Heat up and extrudecit out

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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open filament latch, warm up toolhead to printing temp and push about 30mm of filemnt into the toolhead then pull it out.

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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gray spruce Heat up and extrudecit out

yep

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:50 PM

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30 toolhead tested fine

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Triggered each time

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:51 PM

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OK. Eject lane 1 and then do a bowden calibration after reloading.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Working on it now

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done

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made it all the way this time

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no more calibrations

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:57 PM

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OK. good. what did it say the difference was in the console?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:57 PM

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afc_bowden_length: New: 2080.0 Old: 2075.0
Saved afc_bowden_length:2080.0 in AFC_hub Turtle_1 section to configuration file```

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Ok. go ahead and home the printer and send a t0. Once it is loaded. let me know. The next step will be to do a T1. No matter what happens on the T1, just wait and explain what is going on 🙂

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 5:59 PM

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👍

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T1 now

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good so far '

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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did it load properly? If so, go back to T2

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Same rule. If anything goes weird, let me know before moving anything 🙂

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:03 PM

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yes 1 and two loaded and unloaded

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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cut, poop and, etc?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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yes

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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OK. doing T3 now?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:04 PM

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yes

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T3 completed

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on T4 Now

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T4 completed

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back to T1 ?

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or just revese it to see if it makes Round 2

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what I was trying the other day

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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No... I don't see a need to keep grinding away at the filament.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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ok t4 sitting in toolhead

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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so we have proven that the extruders to the toolhead woork perfect.

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Time to test the respoolers.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:07 PM

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ok

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Load lane 1 and 2 with spools and do the same test. Be ready to assist the spools during rewind if needed.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:08 PM

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ok hold

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:09 PM

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Just dont let the filament tangle. If you need to spin them by hand to assist with the respooling, that is OK at the moment. We just need to talk through that if it is a problem.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:12 PM

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Im right here next to them

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lane 1/2 complete lane 1 1/2 spool lane 2 full spool

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Rewound without assistance?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:14 PM

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none

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Nice. Load lane 3 and move to it. Same rules

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:17 PM

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laqne full spool failed to rewind

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lane 2

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Did it not turn at all or did it try and struggle?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:17 PM

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noope

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no turn

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:18 PM

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did it turn when you were testing the lanes without the spools?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:18 PM

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yes

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3 made to the toolhead

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:19 PM

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OK. lets eject lane 2 and inspect. Does the rear support spin freely? what posistion is it in? I have better luck with it in the 2nd or 3rd posistion from the back.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:20 PM

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yes rear suport spins freely

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one fro mthe far back

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4th spot

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all of the lane are set the same

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:22 PM

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OK. set the rwd speed multiplier to 1 for that lane

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:22 PM

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ok

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probaly should set 3/4 the same they are full spools too ?

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:23 PM

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Give it a whirl.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:24 PM

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do i need to reboot klipper ?

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:24 PM

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yes. save and restart.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:25 PM

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Just making sure. Do not want to assume anything

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ok moving to t4 now

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pulsating spool

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:28 PM

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I don't know what that is

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:28 PM

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:29 PM

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YOu are supposed to be rewinding by hand to prevent that.

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*if needed

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Easy to fix it when it happens. just an extra annoyance you don't need at the moment 🙂

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Rewinder slowly and straight no tanglen

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:32 PM

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OK. once it is rewound, eject the filament there move the rear spool hold closer by one.

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or just lift it up. Your pick.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:34 PM

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moved rear up one

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running t3

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lane 3 spool still didnt rewind correct

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:38 PM

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Did it try?

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Did it do better or worse than the last attempt?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:38 PM

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yes

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a little better

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:39 PM

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move them forward one more then.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:42 PM

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ok

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:45 PM

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We are going to be heading out at 3:00 or so

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Should be back around 4:30 or 5:00. Let me know how it is going even if I am not here please.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:47 PM

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ok

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lane 4 re-winded just fine

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Nice... move lane 2 and 3 up to the same position and try them.

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And remember. The turtle from the extruders to the printer are working as expected. Don't take them apart or mess with anything there

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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lane 3 rewinded nice

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:48 PM

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awesome

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:49 PM

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lane 2 missed the brush by 2mm for some reason

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about

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also missed the cutter

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:50 PM

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I am not going to worry about that too much at the moment. You will want to use a purge tower at least for your first few prints anyway

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:51 PM

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cool

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I'll go thru each lane again

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:51 PM

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The same macro is used for each change. That isn't the turtle though.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:51 PM

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correct

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:51 PM

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gray spruce I'll go thru each lane again

DO it one more time and then setup for a test print.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:52 PM

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👍

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 6:57 PM

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gray spruce 👍

Just remember that the turtle is working as intended. Don’t stress out about little issues either. It actually performs better after being used a bit

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Something wrong with lane 2 Moved the roller up one and still same results will not roll hardly with a full spool

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missing cutter too

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not hitting the depessor

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:02 PM

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Make sure everything is able to spin freely. And do a klipper restart

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:04 PM

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spinning freely

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:07 PM

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Put your half spool on lane 2 for now.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:08 PM

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ok

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:13 PM

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Make sure you move the rear roller up on lane 1, update the rwd value and do a test load there. If it works, time for test print

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:17 PM

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did that and lane 1 failed now

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:23 PM

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What failed? Respooling?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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respooling

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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Let’s start a single color print using only the first lane. Dino clip or similar

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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ok

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my fav

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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Reasoning is twofold. Get some mileage on the lane and reduce the weight a bit

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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kinda what I thought

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warming up

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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4:04 PM
lane1 filament failed to trigger pre extruder gear toolhead sensor, CHECK FILAMENT PATH
||=====||====||==>--||

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lane one snapped filament

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switching that roll

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We are printing single color from lane 1

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nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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How did it snap the filament? it should be moving forward only.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Bad roll i guess. Swappedroll no issue

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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OK. maybe toss it in the dryer for a while.

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Was it white by chance?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Already there

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Yes

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:30 PM

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bad juju

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:30 PM

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I have 4 rolls of it

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Oh no ..lol

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:31 PM

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Me and white filament just don't get along. LOL

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:32 PM

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Yea not looking on for the Dino

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Good

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:32 PM

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Where did the filament break?

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:33 PM

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Afted the hub

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Before going to the chamber

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Ill let it finish out.

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1st print on the Voron in a long while

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:36 PM

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She is cranky because she isn't getting enough attention.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Yep

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Have to redo all the calibration test /shake Nz tune too

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:38 PM

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Don't even touch shaktune until you have another couple hundred hours on the machine. Vibrations are not going to be the source of any issuess for the near term 🙂

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:38 PM

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Oh ok

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Ill reprint the flow test orcaslicef blocks.

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Ounce I get all 4 lanes working.

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Don't be afraid to do single lane prints just to exercise everything.

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Of course

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Not worried about multi color yet

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I might try and print 4 dino clips

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Get every lane a chance to play. Good idea

gray spruce May 25, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Dino has black cavitys must have been some residue. In nozzle 😆

nocturne solstice May 25, 2025, 8:49 PM

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usually. Or some buildup on the outside

gray spruce May 26, 2025, 1:08 AM

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tryin lane 4 now

gray spruce May 26, 2025, 2:33 AM

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4 is giving me all kinds of trouble

gray spruce May 26, 2025, 3:51 AM

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Thanks for the help today

#Disaster BT