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dense sequoia
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yes jsut stopped 30mm above the sensor

desert heron
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dose it do the short moves and enter or dose the short moves stopp 30mm away?

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it should move fast almost all the way down to the toolhead

dense sequoia
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short moves then stops

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its doing short moves way before that

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like 5 or 6

desert heron
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you need to up your hub distance a long bit

dense sequoia
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im at 1250mm right now

desert heron
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add the distance from where it starts doing the short moves to the toolhead.

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and add that to the total

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just ish. dont need to run again +-20mm should be fine

dense sequoia
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jsut add tha tto the length

desert heron
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yup

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probebly en up with more than 1300mm if i guess

dense sequoia
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filament tangled again

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i rewinded

desert heron
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just guess. its not that precise for now

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your rewinder gears migt need a reprint. they seem to move poorly in the vidio

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they should be quite fast and presise

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years seem shaky

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that can be fixed later tho

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should still work as is

dense sequoia
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they are smooth

desert heron
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what length did you end up with?

dense sequoia
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1280 right now \

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running T0

desert heron
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could start there. you should get 1 maybe 2 short moves. if more you need to add more.

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perferably you shouldent get any att all

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and your TN is fully exteded right?

dense sequoia
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Were the slow moves starts

desert heron
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maybe more

dense sequoia
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the filament is 30mm from top of the SB

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right now

desert heron
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yes but you want to add the distance from where the short moves start. not end.

dense sequoia
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ok

desert heron
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the short moves are a safty backup. you perferably dont want them at all

dense sequoia
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πŸ‘

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running it again

desert heron
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nice

dense sequoia
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filament re-winding \

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let me fix the filament ...tangled again \

desert heron
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ahh and btw if you do the bt lane move the respoolers dont run

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and if you do to long moves at once klipper crashes

dense sequoia
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only using bt unload

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T0 again

desert heron
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did it enter?

dense sequoia
desert heron
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need more

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you have somthing thats jamming it

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where is it stopping?

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might be the sensor not having a smooth pass thrue

dense sequoia
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Right at the tool head g2e

desert heron
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dont move the filament

dense sequoia
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Ok

desert heron
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run the AFC_STATUS

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and send a pic of the result

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should look like this

dense sequoia
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42 AM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

desert heron
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is the filament pass the sensor?

dense sequoia
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hub switch isn't working

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oh yea

desert heron
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yea that explains som stuff

dense sequoia
desert heron
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unloade the filament and run the comand again

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i think you hub signal is inverted

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when you run the comand again there should not be anny filamen left in the hub

dense sequoia
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Guess another junk switch

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feed filament from back and still not detecing it

desert heron
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run the comand withou anything in there

dense sequoia
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3rd switch ...was working yesterday

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Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | xx | xx | x | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

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empty

desert heron
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you have the new hub right?

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and you solderd them like the guide?

dense sequoia
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yess with single screw

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yes

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NC soldered

desert heron
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thats odd. they should be realy reliable. somthings odd

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i whould guess you wiring is bad a a bad crimp

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the switch itself is realy nice if you got the one from the bom

stable meadow
dense sequoia
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yes

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guess ill take apart again for the 100th time

desert heron
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did you putt the crips upside down in the conector?

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i did that once.

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they should all lign up on one sid e

dense sequoia
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no

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Im think I might be getting to the point of just selling it

desert heron
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your so close

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i thing you should recrimp the hub sensor. it might be a bad conection. thats all

stable meadow
# dense sequoia yes

just asking cuz i lost my click click noise on 1 of my switches i thought died and it was just the bearing not hitting the switch

dense sequoia
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almoat back together

dense sequoia
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T0

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then afc _status

desert heron
dense sequoia
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terriable

desert heron
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o no

dense sequoia
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filament now getting stuck in TN2

desert heron
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you might have uneven cut

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if not, you can champher it with a knife or somthing

stable meadow
dense sequoia
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see one issue turns into another ...rebooting

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Ill try again after homing

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Im rfeady for some turkey and burbon

stable meadow
dense sequoia
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klipper just creashed

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why cant anything just go smooth

desert heron
stable meadow
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did the turtle prep or not before crash?

stable meadow
dense sequoia
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mine is the hard path thats for sure

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T0 \

desert heron
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can you pliz share you kllippy log? it should tell us why it keeps crashing

stable meadow
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🀞🏻

dense sequoia
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Then i still have to fiigure out the cutter issue too

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snappy

stable meadow
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1 small step at a time

dense sequoia
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well now its even worse o nthe filament push

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and no Hub trigger

desert heron
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can you pliz send the log

dense sequoia
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Sure butI think Im going hitthe burbon early

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i think Im going to throw this out the window

desert heron
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thats fair but the log might have som awnsers

dense sequoia
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kidding

desert heron
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and it dose not spitt out a dead turtle in the terminal either?

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on boot

dense sequoia
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12:23 PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

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I'm not taking it apart again

desert heron
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i have a simple 5 min test for your hub

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take a multi meter

dense sequoia
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Yes I did that

desert heron
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what did it read and where did you probe?

dense sequoia
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and the multimeter beeps when filament was moving in and out

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putt hub back in quits working

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right at the switch

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and also o nthe crimps

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while hub was out

desert heron
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you need to probe at the crimps. but it read right when it was not in the board?

dense sequoia
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was plugged in

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i used the top of the crimp

desert heron
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we might be onto somthing. could you share a picture of your afc board in the bt with everything mountes as you whould use it? i think you might have done the same as i did

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and what version of AFC software did you update to?

dense sequoia
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afc-software
v0.0.0-767-g51e173b4-inferred

desert heron
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huh i see you got the prep crash at least once. thats odd

dense sequoia
desert heron
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nice picture. give me 2 min

dense sequoia
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nothing odd about this box turtle

stable meadow
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they stall

dense sequoia
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all mine game from a kit

stable meadow
desert heron
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don think thats the issue right now

dense sequoia
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blue all NC

desert heron
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your how wiers seem thicker than the rest. might be an idea to rewire it sompleatly. might have a damagde cable

dense sequoia
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that was old pic sorry i changed al lthe NC to blue and grounds are black \

desert heron
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the wiring itself is correct

dense sequoia
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24AWG

desert heron
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thats not to thick.

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i have to go but if i where you i whould rewire the hub switch with new wire and crimps

dense sequoia
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Just did that

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I think Im out of switches

desert heron
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Check your pull-up in the cfg

dense sequoia
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well everyone go enjoy time with family ..that's more important

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switch_pin: ^AFC:HUB

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I might mes with it later ..getting hungry

olive field
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Launch is important too ahah don't starve yourself mike heh

dense sequoia
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tol head just crashed in front left

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nahhh

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Thanks for tryuing so far on this T- day Holiday

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stopped pushing about pushing 350mm this time ...just keeps going backwards

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Have a wonderful day !!!

dense sequoia
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printing some fun prints for now

olive field
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noice it’s always great to print fun things sometime, last thing was a tic tac gun

dense sequoia
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yea well since I cant print on the voron since the BT is down

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I think I'm just goping to remove it.

desert heron
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Just comment out the include part in the printer.cfg

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That’s all you need to do.

dense sequoia
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any tricks to get a 0.4 broken needle out of nozzle hotend or is the nozzle shot ?

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x1c

desert heron
dense sequoia
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i tried

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no go

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Guess it's junk

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Like a sleather

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Ill never get it out

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Well 2 printers down now

white igloo
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do a cold pull

dense sequoia
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Tried

dense sequoia
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Ill have to order another nozzle

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Revo looks intesting

desert heron
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yes but expenciv as heck

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i have paid 80$ for a nozzle

dense sequoia
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Yea

desert heron
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thats norwigan taxes and stuff tho

dense sequoia
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But still least the nozzle is removable this one is not

desert heron
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fair but you will lose a bit of flow.

dense sequoia
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And I can see the broken part

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Ill get the revo hf

desert heron
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stll tho

dense sequoia
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X1c nozzle not s hf

desert heron
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take som epliers or somthing. hold it by the broken part. use a lighter on the nozzle untill it fals out

dense sequoia
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I tried a heatgun

desert heron
# dense sequoia X1c nozzle not s hf
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dense sequoia
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Yes that's the hotend that has the broken needle stuck

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.04

desert heron
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ahh got it. you cant just take another needle and push it all the way thrue?

dense sequoia
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Tried that toov

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With a heatgun...no go

desert heron
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heatguns dont get that hot tho

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try a lighter

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that has never failed me

dense sequoia
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My heatgun gets really hot...wagner

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Ill try heating it up hotter

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On highest setting

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Just my luck I guess

hidden plank
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yeah that's the downside to the bambu hotends, need a new one, gotta chuck it

dense sequoia
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Yea since i unable to get the broken needle out expensive loss

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Obsidian nozzle

desert heron
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But don’t get a revo. They cost the same and a are fair bit weaker. I have snapped 2 80$ nozzles. On was even at the end of a print. The nozzle and the model had a fight and the nozzle won.

dense sequoia
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Oh

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Ill go get some more nylon tomorrow and see if I can get it removed 1st

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I'd say probably zero chance though

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Printing on ender 3v3 for now

dense sequoia
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Ok I just verified with a multimeter that the switch is working. Checked at the crimped ends and the switch itself I get tone each time

stable meadow
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i really suck at crimping (myself) and sometimes i dont get the crimp on the metal of the wire

you think thats a chance?

dense sequoia
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i get tone from the meter

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in and out

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very strange

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i just checked with a volt meter tone while the hub installed with filament ..but checking status nothing

lucid acorn
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better way to check the hub and toolhead is with duplicate pin override

stable meadow
hidden plank
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yes

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(Based on past testing with mike)

dense sequoia
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I checked both ends

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just 10min ago

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crimps/switch

hidden plank
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so for example try adding this to your AFC_Hardware.cfg at the end

[duplicate_pin_override]
pins: AFC:HUB

[filament_switch_sensor AFC_Hub_Sensor]
switch_pin: ^AFC:HUB
pause_on_runout: False
dense sequoia
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11:26 AM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG2 | xx | xx | x | xx |
LEG3 | xx | xx | x | xx |
LEG4 | xx | xx | x | xx | filamet to the toolhead

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Have a great Day ! all

hidden plank
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what are the contents of your AFC/.var. files and what does <yourprinterip>/printer/objects/query?AFC return

dense sequoia
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        "leg1": {
            "spool_id": "",
            "material": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0,
            "command": null,
            "index": 1,
            "tool_loaded": false,
            "hub_loaded": true
        },
        "leg2": {
            "spool_id": "",
            "material": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0,
            "command": null,
            "index": 2,
            "tool_loaded": false,
            "hub_loaded": false
        },
        "leg3": {
            "spool_id": "",
            "material": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0,
            "command": null,
            "index": 3,
            "tool_loaded": false,
            "hub_loaded": false
        },
        "leg4": {
            "spool_id": "",
            "material": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0,
            "command": null,
            "index": 4,
            "tool_loaded": false,
            "hub_loaded": false
        }
    }
}```
hidden plank
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so your toolhead sensor is not showing as triggered here

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?

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or maybe it's just not recongized as being loaded to the toolhead

dense sequoia
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{"result": {"eventtime": 194.389744273, "status": {"AFC return": {}}}}

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thats the query return

stable meadow
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<yourprinterip>/printer/objects/query?AFC

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replace <yourprinterip> obviously

hidden plank
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yeah, sorry πŸ˜„

dense sequoia
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correct

hidden plank
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drop the ' return' at the end

dense sequoia
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{"result": {"eventtime": 322.617114048, "status": {"AFC": {"Turtle_1": {"leg1": {"LANE": 1, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": true, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg2": {"LANE": 2, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg3": {"LANE": 3, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg4": {"LANE": 4, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "system": {"type": "Box_Turtle", "hub_loaded": false, "can_cut": true, "screen": "None"}}, "system": {"current_load": null, "num_units": 1, "num_lanes": 4, "num_extruders": 1, "extruders": {"extruder": {"lane_loaded": "leg1", "tool_start_sensor": false, "tool_end_sensor": false, "buffer": "TN2", "buffer_status": "Advancing"}}}}}}}

hidden plank
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{
  "result": {
    "eventtime": 322.617114048,
    "status": {
      "AFC": {
        "Turtle_1": {
          "leg1": {
            "LANE": 1,
            "Command": null,
            "load": false,
            "prep": true,
            "loaded_to_hub": false,
            "material": "",
            "spool_id": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0
          },
          "leg2": {
            "LANE": 2,
            "Command": null,
            "load": false,
            "prep": false,
            "loaded_to_hub": false,
            "material": "",
            "spool_id": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0
          },
          "leg3": {
            "LANE": 3,
            "Command": null,
            "load": false,
            "prep": false,
            "loaded_to_hub": false,
            "material": "",
            "spool_id": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0
          },
          "leg4": {
            "LANE": 4,
            "Command": null,
            "load": false,
            "prep": false,
            "loaded_to_hub": false,
            "material": "",
            "spool_id": "",
            "color": "#000000",
            "weight": 0
          },
          "system": {
            "type": "Box_Turtle",
            "hub_loaded": false,
            "can_cut": true,
            "screen": "None"
          }
        },
        "system": {
          "current_load": null,
          "num_units": 1,
          "num_lanes": 4,
          "num_extruders": 1,
          "extruders": {
            "extruder": {
              "lane_loaded": "leg1",
              "tool_start_sensor": false,
              "tool_end_sensor": false,
              "buffer": "TN2",
              "buffer_status": "Advancing"
            }
          }
        }
      }
    }
  }
}

prettied up

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"tool_start_sensor": false,
"tool_end_sensor": false,

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you say it's loaded all the way to the extruder?

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your lane 1 extruder and hub also don't see the filament

dense sequoia
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Its loaded ... i going to reboot and try T0 one more time

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I didn t have near this much trouble building both Vorons

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{"result": {"eventtime": 342.557711666, "status": {"AFC": {"Turtle_1": {"leg1": {"LANE": 1, "Command": null, "load": true, "prep": true, "loaded_to_hub": true, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg2": {"LANE": 2, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg3": {"LANE": 3, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "leg4": {"LANE": 4, "Command": null, "load": false, "prep": false, "loaded_to_hub": false, "material": "", "spool_id": "", "color": "#000000", "weight": 0}, "system": {"type": "Box_Turtle", "hub_loaded": true, "can_cut": true, "screen": "None"}}, "system": {"current_load": null, "num_units": 1, "num_lanes": 4, "num_extruders": 1, "extruders": {"extruder": {"lane_loaded": "leg1", "tool_start_sensor": true, "tool_end_sensor": false, "buffer": "TN2", "buffer_status": "Advancing"}}}}}}}

hidden plank
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that second one looks more correct

dense sequoia
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Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> |  x  |  xx  |
LEG2 |  xx  |  xx  |  x  |  xx  |
LEG3 |  xx  |  xx  |  x  |  xx  |
LEG4 |  xx  |  xx  |  x  |  xx  |
12:24 PM
afc_status
12:21 PM
FAILED TO LOAD LEG1 TO TOOL, CHECK FILAMENT PATH```
hidden plank
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what are the contenst of ~/printer_data/config/AFC/AFC.var.unit and AFC.var.tool

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also, did you do BT_LANE_MOVE to get the filaemtn to the toolhead?

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if so, retract it all back out before doign T0

stable meadow
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"loaded_to_hub": true,

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hub switch is doing stuff

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❀️

dense sequoia
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now i need to figure out the sanppy thing

stable meadow
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like uh during what action

lean zealot
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Looks like an eject?

dense sequoia
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yes ..is that the wrong way to re-wind

frank forge
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i dont' think eject doesn rewind, it just spits it out

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if you have something loaded to the toolhead you want to unload toolhead iirc

lean zealot
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Eject does a rewind now

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Eject does a rewind until the LOAD switch is untriggered

dense sequoia
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that was running eject

hidden plank
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eject dcoesn't respool it

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so manually rewind, then heat to temp (175 seems really low to me for pla, which is what i've seen you using) - would recommend 210

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then try a t0

dense sequoia
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ok

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Im looking for ther temp ..175 is thge default

hidden plank
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yes, but that is the 'fallback'temperature

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minimum safe

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you can set it higher then do the Tx commands, it iwll not lower it to 175...

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this is not a problem during regualry printing because your slicer sends teh temperature commands

dense sequoia
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make sense

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v0.0.0-789 > v0.0.0-818 another update ?

hidden plank
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there's alwaysa nother update πŸ˜„

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these ones rae less dangerous though

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more minor bug fixes

dense sequoia
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ok

white igloo
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Just don't re-run the install script at the moment πŸ™‚

dense sequoia
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oh no

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I have enough issues atm

hidden plank
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you don't have to update

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if you have not

dense sequoia
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I didnt

hidden plank
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then just try heating to 210C ont eh toolhead and then do a T0

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wait

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are you doing pla or abs

dense sequoia
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pla

hidden plank
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ok

dense sequoia
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4 spols of PLA loadded

hidden plank
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I'm sorry for not catching this early

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but tryign to extrude at 175C is probably like all of your clog/doesn't extrude issues

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I do pla at 220-230C for printing most of hte time

dense sequoia
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I changed the temps to 230

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when extruding

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i know 175 too cold

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id like to get at least 1 leg printing today if possible

hidden plank
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that would be amazing

dense sequoia
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yea Im sure

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Going to try and print a 1st layer

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filaemt not making to to the tool head sensor again

hidden plank
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video of what happens when you do a T0 please

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'not making it toolhead' is too vague

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eject the lane, insert filament, heat to temp. then start a video and do a T0 and follow the filament path and keep it going until it errors out

dense sequoia
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Kinda hard to see

stable meadow
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stopping just shy of the sensor it looks like?

dense sequoia
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yep

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bowden length at 1430 / sensor too tip of nozzle set to 172

hidden plank
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that'snot a video mike πŸ˜„

dense sequoia
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yes i know Im trying to get it unloaded

hidden plank
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ok

dense sequoia
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wont unload

hidden plank
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how many short moves does it do

dense sequoia
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5-6

hidden plank
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set bowden length to like 1470 then

dense sequoia
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filament justr will not unload

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using eject again to get it out

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stuck it crashed kliipper

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this is jsut crazy

lean zealot
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BT_TOOL_UNLOAD will not unload unless it gets to the tool head sensor

dense sequoia
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I think Ive had enough

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Just too many issue

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Thanks for trying though ...3+ weeks of issue's is just too much

hidden plank
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I just don't understand how you are trying to unload filament and where there are so many problems if you don't even have it to thte extrduer gears yet

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as belial said you can't use the unload tool macro unless it got loaded in the first place, which it did not. so you have to do a BT_LANE_MOVE or BT_LANE_EJECT, and try again

dense sequoia
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Ok got filament to the tool head and auto did a nozzle clean then park after hitting T0

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Trying to print see what happens

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QGL ..sorry for the step by step

dense sequoia
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When print job started spool just chirping

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1st print

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I can see the filament jumping up and down a bit

lucid acorn
#

Is your buffer fully expanded by chance?

dense sequoia
#

Other angle

frank forge
#

looks like it

dense sequoia
#

Is that good or bad ?

lucid acorn
#

that is not good, query the buffer QUERY_BUFFER BUFFER={buffer name}

#

what does that say?

dense sequoia
#

Rebooting waiting on klipper to reconnect

lucid acorn
#

I'm sure you have before but drop your AFC_buffer section

dense sequoia
#

Whatcha mean drop ?

lucid acorn
#

sorry paste or screenshot it and put it here

#

should look like this

dense sequoia
#
advance_pin: !turtleneck:ADVANCE
trailing_pin: !turtleneck:TRAILING
multiplier_high: 1.05   # default 1.05, factor to feed more filament
multiplier_low:  0.95   # default 0.95, factor to feed less filament
led_index: Buffer_Indicator:1
velocity: 100```
lucid acorn
#

okay that looks good

#

what does the query show?

#

QUERY_BUFFER BUFFER=TN2

dense sequoia
#

LEG1 Rotation distance: 4.428571428571429

lucid acorn
#

and it's fully expanded

#

?

dense sequoia
#

looks like it

lucid acorn
#

it looks like the extra piece you have in there plus the spring is not allowing it to travel far enough to the advance trigger.

dense sequoia
#

the spring retainer

lucid acorn
#

Needs to be able to fully expand

dense sequoia
#

ok let me eject the filament

lucid acorn
#

You can expand the this part so it doesn’t get stuck in the hole

dense sequoia
#

now filament wont unload and I heated to 220

lucid acorn
#

TOOL_UNLOAD doesn't unload the lane?

#

is it giving you an error?

dense sequoia
#

No error

#

Soon as I hit bt unload it chirped two times

lucid acorn
#

<@&1304550334839918672> thoughts on this everyone?

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I would remove the spring retainer but you will have to get it unloaded first

desert heron
#

stalled stepper?

dense sequoia
#

not sure

lean zealot
#

what does AFC_STATUS report?

dense sequoia
#

7:18 PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | <-> | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

lean zealot
#

You need to run eject on lane 1, if it's in your toolhead manually unlatch it

#

It's not aware of a lane being fully loaded

dense sequoia
#

I did run eject

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7:19 PM
LANE leg1 IS TOOL LOADED
7:19 PM
BT_LANE_EJECT LANE=1

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bt move worked

lean zealot
#

interesting

lucid acorn
#

It seems that it is still in the toolhead but the sensor is not seeing it

dense sequoia
lean zealot
#

Hey Mike, can you zip your configs and send em?

dense sequoia
#

yes

lucid acorn
#

do you have the toolhead sensor showing in mainsail as well?

dense sequoia
#

7:19 PM
LANE leg1 IS TOOL LOADED
7:19 PM
BT_LANE_EJECT LANE=1
7:19 PM
Extrude below minimum temp
7:19 PM
Extrude below minimum temp
See the 'min_extrude_temp' config option for details
7:19 PM
Extrude below minimum temp

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filament out

lucid acorn
#

Change the bottom of your AFC_hardware.cfg to this:

pins: AFC:HUB, sb2040:gpio29

[filament_switch_sensor AFC_Hub_Sensor]
switch_pin: ^AFC:HUB
pause_on_runout: False

[filament_switch_sensor AFC_Tool_Sensor]
switch_pin: sb2040:gpio29
pause_on_runout: False```
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This will allow you to see the toolhead sensor in mainsail

lucid acorn
dense sequoia
#

yes

lucid acorn
#

What did you end up doing that got it unloaded?

dense sequoia
#

bt move

#

T0

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did nothing vnow

#

T0 running now

#

spring fullycompressed again

#

ounce it hit the tool head I can see it compress slow then it goes fully compressed

lean zealot
#

What does your Toolhead sensor report?

dense sequoia
#

M
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | <-> | <--> |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

lean zealot
#

Tool is loaded then.

dense sequoia
#

yes

#

fiilament is passed the filament sensor and in the g2e that i can see of

lucid acorn
#

Were you able to get the spring retainer removed?

dense sequoia
#

yes

lucid acorn
#

What does the buffer query show?

dense sequoia
#

7:41 PM
TN2 : Advancing
LEG1 Rotation distance: 4.428571428571429

lucid acorn
#

And its neck is fully expanded?

dense sequoia
#

yes

#

spring compressed to the max

lucid acorn
#

Hmm we’re getting close.

#

Another pic?

dense sequoia
lucid acorn
#

Let’s try unloading again and moving the buffer manually to check its states

dense sequoia
#

ok

#

now bt unload is sqealing

lucid acorn
#

Is it clearing your toolhead sensor before it does the long move?

dense sequoia
#

as in loading ?

lucid acorn
#

So it should do a synced move to pull the silent clear of the toolhead sensor then a long move back to BT

dense sequoia
#

does -2-3 short burst before entering filament sensor

lucid acorn
#

What does it do when it is unloading?

dense sequoia
#

nothing now

#

Rebooted now its ejecting slowly

#

I dont think that is correct either

lucid acorn
#

At dinner but you’re so close!

dense sequoia
#

πŸ‘

dense sequoia
#

ill wait

lucid acorn
#

Let’s circle back here so we can watch for the toolhead sensor. It seems like it’s not being reliable.

dense sequoia
#

πŸ‘

dense sequoia
#

lets see what happens

#

T0 then goes 2-3 short bursts to the tool head then I hear the TN2 make it 2 moves then its now al l he way in not sticking out

lucid acorn
#

So buffer is not fully expanded?

dense sequoia
#

inside of the box

#

I think I need to print a short diffuser to hold the ptfe more straight up

dense sequoia
#

Lets see what Happens

lean zealot
dense sequoia
#

failed bed will not pass QGL now

lean zealot
#

Too many retries or what?

dense sequoia
#

too many retries

lean zealot
#

Restart your host and try again

dense sequoia
#

0.3

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mostly

#

finally after 8 tries

#

Now running qgl again front to back diagonal

#

Going to fail

#

Failed

cyan shuttle
#

What probe do you have mike

dense sequoia
#

tap v2 choatic labs

cyan shuttle
#

Nozzle nice and clean?

#

What do you have your tolerance set to?

lucid acorn
#

are you at temp or heating up?

dense sequoia
#

going to fail again

#

7 of 8 now

stable meadow
#

what probe are you using

dense sequoia
#

CL TAP v2

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timer to close now rebooting

#

Retries: 2/8 Probed points range: 0.002500 tolerance: 0.007500

cyan shuttle
#

That doesnt make any sense.

dense sequoia
#

yes thats manual QGL

cyan shuttle
#

is your bed loose?

dense sequoia
#

no

#

its on the 2nd QGL after hitting print

lean zealot
#

Is any part of your tool head loose?

cyan shuttle
#

You dont need to QGL 2x

dense sequoia
#

i understand

#

i hit home /qgl

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then I hit print ..then it runa QGL after hitting 150 then Front left to back Right

cyan shuttle
#

Diagonally?

#

Never seen that

dense sequoia
#

yes

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only o nthe Box turtle serial print

cyan shuttle
#

Mine just goes around the 4 points until its happy and continues on.

dense sequoia
#

ill make a vid

#

mine does the 4 corners if i hit the QGL next to the home button

#

Sorry watching turtle video in back ground

#

Never seen it do that after hitting print

#

Now it's bed leveling diagonal

#

its foobarred

cyan shuttle
#

Discord seems to be having issues with media, I cant get your videos to load.

dense sequoia
#

not moving any filament

#

im ready to rename my name to " I have no clue what I'm doing"

cyan shuttle
#

Did one of your A/B motors go out?

#

Or does it move normally otherwise?

dense sequoia
#

let me reboot

#

ill test the home / qgl

#

Yea guess motor dead

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Only diagonal qgl

#

That explains it

lean zealot
#

Do you home normally?

dense sequoia
#

yes home fine

lean zealot
#

then something is funky in your QGL all of a sudden if all other motion is normal

dense sequoia
#

qill just order new motors ..ill be back in a couple weeks

cyan shuttle
#

No dont do that.

#

Its gotta be something in config if it homes fine.

dense sequoia
#

nothing changed in config

cyan shuttle
#

Are you able to move the toolhead around normally using the X/Y controls after homing?

dense sequoia
#

manual move tool head by hand only moving diag too

lean zealot
#

Check wiring or your stepper driver first then

dense sequoia
#

so something broke

lean zealot
#

Stepper motors don't usually just die like that, they're pretty resilient

stable meadow
#
STEPPER_BUZZ STEPPER=stepper_x
STEPPER_BUZZ STEPPER=stepper_y
#

you can visually determine if the shaft moves etc

maybe a grub came loose or something (happened to me)

dense sequoia
#

Y moving backwards tool head moving to x

#

almost like its total racked

lean zealot
#

Motor isn't locked up, that moved way too smoothly diagonally

#

or wait, brain

#

Can you look down on the top and when you make an X or Y move see if a motor shaft spins separate from the gear?

dense sequoia
#

I found the issue

lean zealot
#

Yeees?

dense sequoia
#

checked my back up print config ....I dont know how this happened but he enable pin was missing the !

lean zealot
#

See! Nothing major!

dense sequoia
#

but why would have that have been removed.

#

only thing I did was update klipper

cyan shuttle
#

Who knows what happens when you update klipper

dense sequoia
#

Retries: 1/8 Probed points range: 0.002500 tolerance: 0.007500

lean zealot
#

Oh, that's why, you updated Klipper

#

Never do that

dense sequoia
#

ok

dense sequoia
#

now to figure out why filament not extruding

lean zealot
#

What's your nozzle temp at?

dense sequoia
#

220

#

i manually upped it too that

lean zealot
#

Does the turtle have the filament loaded?

#

and does AFC_Status report as much?

dense sequoia
#

9:33 PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

#

there is my issue

lean zealot
#

Yep

dense sequoia
#

klipper says its loaded but afc says no

lean zealot
#

Klipper is just showing switch states

#

AFC needs to know it's loaded or nothing will happen

dense sequoia
#

-ejected ...reloading T0

#

back to hub not working \

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9:37 PM
Turtle_1 Status
LANE | Prep | Load | Hub | Tool |
LEG1 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG2 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG3 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |
LEG4 | <--> | <--> | x | xx |

#

AFC Hub Sensor
detected

#

AFC Tool Sensor
detected

#

i dont get it

lean zealot
#

eject it, reload and take a video of the whole load

dense sequoia
#

Loud pop was the ecas being popped out

#

Ill have to reinsert it 1st it has done that

lean zealot
#

I keep forgetting you're on G2E...

#

@cyan shuttle you're up for G2E stuff

cyan shuttle
#

OK

dense sequoia
#

yes

#

g2e

cyan shuttle
#

Yeah that sounds about right.

#

mine used to do crazy crap like that

#

The filament is getting stuck somewhere around the big extruder wheel more than likely.

dense sequoia
#

ican open it up more

#

tension screw only 1 turn when inserted

cyan shuttle
#

Ok, was the filament stuck there?

dense sequoia
#

noped ecas poppeed out again

#

guess the hub cutter part wil lhave to be re -pritned

cyan shuttle
#

No.

#

Something is causing a ton of tension thats why its popping out

#

We need to figure out what

#

Is it jamming in the extruder/hot end?

dense sequoia
#

its making it that far i can see the filament going passed the tool sensor

#

let me make a vid for whan it gets close to the toolhead

lean zealot
#

It never picked up the toolhead sensor triggered...

dense sequoia
#

AFC Hub Sensor
detected
AFC Tool Sensor
detected

lean zealot
#

Unload the filament

dense sequoia
#

Now it's running qgl on it own

#

that was after hittingh T0

#

Ill unload

cyan shuttle
#

It sounded like it did, it switched to the tool_stn move I thought I heard

dense sequoia
#

Tried extruding...nothing

#

possiable nozzle clogged

cyan shuttle
#

So, again, is it jammed in the extruder or hot end?

dense sequoia
#

appears

#

maybe i should bit e the bullet and get a different extruder/hotend

#

πŸ˜€

frank forge
#

I mean CW2 is pretty cheap lol

lean zealot
#

CW2 has been super reliable for me

frank forge
#

what hot end do you have?

lean zealot
#

And you likely have the parts for it laying around

dense sequoia
#

rapido v2 uhf

lean zealot
#

That's fiiine

frank forge
#

isn't there a mount for that?

lean zealot
#

YEs

frank forge
#

the Rapido is a sweet hot end I don't think you need to change it

lean zealot
#

Even a Filametrix mount for it

frank forge
#

thats' what I thought

#

CW2 just uses the same parts the BT uses lol

lean zealot
#

So if you wanted to do toolhead cutter, those files are all available

frank forge
#

for the most part

lean zealot
#

Nope, literally all the same parts

frank forge
#

that's what I thought

lean zealot
#

BMG gears, a pancake extruder, and a couple of D2F switches would move everything inside the toolhead

frank forge
#

yeah super simple

#

and effective

#

oh you need 5.5mm bearings? maybe? idk

lean zealot
#

The problem with G2E is you have to be super straight with the gears to get it to load, and then it likes to crush filament

frank forge
#

mine has them....lol

lean zealot
#

It's a fantastic extruder for single filaments

#

Just not great for multi material stuff

dense sequoia
#

yea maybe this weekend I ll have to reprint the cw2 parts

cyan shuttle
#

Yeah for stealthburner you only need to change the extruder part.

lean zealot
#

If you want to do Filametrix cutter, lmk, we've got links to the appropriate stuff for your hot end

dense sequoia
#

sure why not

lean zealot
#

One moment then

dense sequoia
#

im not getting anywhere with this stuff

lean zealot
frank forge
#

literally everyone is using filametrix, so it's definitely going to be easier lol

lean zealot
#

Yep

#

Super duper consistent with stuff

dense sequoia
#

is that one for the UHF

sage cradle
frank forge
#

ah good, I think there is a version that doesn't need them though?

#

honestly kinda wish it used the MR63's and the D2HW's cause they just feel nicer lol, but the bearings work too

lean zealot
#

This one is

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aaand it's only the front

#

god i love some of these lol

frank forge
#

lol

#

Wish they'd throw in all the parts just so you only gotta go one plce

#

it gets confusing on what parts you need sometimes

lean zealot
#

They aren't updating jack all on the Filametrix github

dense sequoia
#

I have some 5.5 mm bearings

lean zealot
#

...

#

That's dumb lol

#

hold on, assembling bits

frank forge
#

filametrix parts are just a sprint and a cutter..... I think thunder got the grainger cutters workign I haven't messed with it yet lol

lean zealot
#

I think, can get cheap blades on amazon as well, but I know there have been some issues with them

frank forge
#

you can, they chip crazy easy

frank forge
#

mine has a notch in it from the filament....but it's still working lol

lean zealot
#

Okay, so these are the Rapido V2 UHF stuff

frank forge
#

honestly I can probably mail you some cutters and springs

#

I have extras here

dense sequoia
#

to who

lean zealot
#

You

frank forge
#

you lol

dense sequoia
#

oh ok

lean zealot
dense sequoia
#

let me know how much

lean zealot
#

These are cheap af if you want to order as well

#

Like HDale said, liable to chip easily

frank forge
#

yeah those aren't the ones I have

#

mine had like 100 or osmething in it

dense sequoia
#

anything else i need to print for the cutter

#

or order parts for

lean zealot
#

Still gathering bits, one second lol

#

You have 5.5mm bearings and D2F switches, right?

frank forge
#

shoot me $5 for shipping and I'll throw in a couple springs and a bunch of blades, or you can just get them from amazon for like $10 I think

dense sequoia
#

DM me

lean zealot
frank forge
lean zealot
#

oh lord, which spring now lol

frank forge
#

yeah

#

that's the ones I ordered

#

so like $10 from amazon for both

lean zealot
#

Yep

frank forge
#

if you have a grainger over there I'd go for those if they work. @hidden plank?

lean zealot
#

Okay, this should be everything you need to print for Filametrix to work now

hidden plank
#

They work great

dense sequoia
#

thanks ..ill get started on it

frank forge
#

definitely look for a grainger then, they got em on the shelf over here

#

was like $7 and japenese blades

dense sequoia
#

i have a grainger about 45 to hour from me

frank forge
#

well they can ship too lol

dense sequoia
#

is there a part #

dense sequoia
#

ok

lean zealot
#

This doesn't work in the blade holder I sent

#

iirc

frank forge
#

I think the theory was it should, but thunders were overly tight for some reason?

#

but I don't recall the outcome of that

#

I know @hidden plank printed a slightly wider one

#

I want to say it just stretched it in the slicer like 1mm

hidden plank
#

Just increase it slightly by like .1mm

frank forge
#

ah so not even close to 1mm lol

#

andthen probably a dab of super glue.

hidden plank
frank forge
#

I need to do that and swap my blade lol

dense sequoia
#

i just scalled the blade holder 8.4

#

3 hrs to print ...not bad

dense sequoia
lean zealot
#

hmm?

dense sequoia
#

I dont have anymore switches with the flag's

lean zealot
#

No lever

#

Just D2F switch

dense sequoia
#

so it takes ball bearing to push the switch

#

just checking before i print

lean zealot
#

Yep, uses a 5.5mm ball bearing

dense sequoia
#

πŸ‘

lean zealot
#

The body I sent has both before and after extruder sensors btw

#

so 2 of those

dense sequoia
#

yep

#

i dont think I have anymore ports o nthe sb2040

lean zealot
#

hmm?

dense sequoia
lean zealot
#

Yeah, I have one in my hand lol

dense sequoia
#

ok

lean zealot
#

I'm just trying to figure out how it wouldn't work lol

cyan shuttle
#

Are you using an X end stop on the toolhead?

lean zealot
#

That would change it

cyan shuttle
#

If not just use the XES port.

dense sequoia
#

yes i am

lean zealot
#

There's not a dedicated XES port on this technically

#

Ah

cyan shuttle
#

Oooh.

lean zealot
#

Have you started printing parts yet then?

dense sequoia
#

Mo

lean zealot
#

Okay, one moment

dense sequoia
#

ok

frank forge
#

your x/y endstops are on your tool head?

dense sequoia
#

yes

cyan shuttle
dense sequoia
#

yes

cyan shuttle
#

probablysince he doesnt run a Y cable chain

#

YES on the B drive.

frank forge
#

does the endstop connection have a spot for Y?

#

trying to look up the pinout for that thing lol

cyan shuttle
#

Toolheads usually only have an X

frank forge
#

mine has x and y

cyan shuttle
#

If they have one specifically

#

Interesting.

cyan shuttle
dense sequoia
#

let me double check

frank forge
#

so it has 2 seperate endstop connections

#

yeah on that one there's only x but it also has a FS endstop

cyan shuttle
#

Ive not seen a SB board with a Y end stop port

#

doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

frank forge
#

I can show you lol

cyan shuttle
#

I thought yuou just said you were running EBB style

frank forge
#

I have the EBB one on there yes

dense sequoia
#

I wrong ..tap v2 on tool head

frank forge
#

but normally running nitehawk SB

dense sequoia
#

and filadector

frank forge
#

well you shouldn't need filatector if you are using the filametrix toolhead

dense sequoia
#

but wouldnt that only use 1 endstop switch

cyan shuttle
frank forge
#

you only need one currently

#

the second one isn't currently usable

dense sequoia
#

gotcha

cyan shuttle
#

Entry sensor is better for our application anyway

dense sequoia
#

i was confused on the dual switch

frank forge
#

what is the HV connection for?

cyan shuttle
#

Yeah theyre there, but we're only gonna use the top one.

lean zealot
#

SB2040 is layed out different than NH

frank forge
#

has HV-IN

#

yeah I'm looking at the diagram for it lol

dense sequoia
#

24v for sensor

lean zealot
#

It's got 3 total end stop pins, 2 are used for XES and Tap

#

Here's one with only the pre-extruder sensor

#

You can hook this up the same way you have the one you currently have set up hooked

frank forge
#

I really wish they'd throw a few extra GPIO pins on these thigns

#

make them somewhat flexible

#

luckily the Nitehawk SB does have a couple lol

lean zealot
#

The RP2040 should have enough to break out, but yeah

frank forge
#

kinda silly

dense sequoia
#

my other prinnter has niitehawk

frank forge
#

I thought about getting the mellow fly cause it was cheap, glad I didn't lol

lean zealot
#

Nothing wrong with it

dense sequoia
#

its on my 1st voron

#

mellow fly

frank forge
#

well it just would of been a headache for some the sensors

lean zealot
#

I'll be moving my stuff to it when I go to CAN

#

How so?

frank forge
#

well eventually we'll be able to use both sensors

#

I assume

#

idk I guess it doesn't really matter

lean zealot
#

Oh, because you relocated X to your toolhead... that's right

frank forge
#

I like their faceplate board though

lean zealot
#

It's 1 pin short of being able to do all of that, which it's got a pad that might be able to be stolen for it

dense sequoia
#

printing

frank forge
#

nah that has nothing to do with it, I can connect all my sensors lol

#

oh ok

#

I was looking to see if there was something you could tap a pin from but didn't see much

lean zealot
#

Fan 2 is unused in most cases on this, however idk if you can tap it for IO

#

GPIO15 in this case

frank forge
#

ohhh ok

#

I didn't even notice it had 2 fans

dense sequoia
#

yea i have a fan connected 3007

frank forge
#

wonder if you could use the PWM pins

lean zealot
#

It's got a face plate side that breaks it out like the NH stuff

frank forge
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I like the extra through hole connections for 5V and stuff on the mellow faceplate board

lean zealot
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Mike, can you send a pic of your toolhead wiring right now?

frank forge
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I would assume you could set the pin for a sensor to one of the PWM pins and use that

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but yeah fan 2 would be usable too

dense sequoia
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Old pic without Fan connected

lean zealot
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Oh

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That's why I wanted a fresh one lol

dense sequoia
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Same wiring just with fan attached to the fan pads

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Fan wires too short to open since i broke them a few times

lean zealot
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Okay, where are you connecting your current toolhead sensor?

dense sequoia
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GpIO27

lean zealot
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Sorry, not your thermistor, your filament sensor

dense sequoia
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Gpio29

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Tap on gpio28

lean zealot
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Okay, so this little black wire is your filament sensor

dense sequoia
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Yes

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Yes was pre wired before adding fan

lean zealot
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So that's where you'll have to take the one from inside the toolhead, you won't need Filatector any more

dense sequoia
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Correct

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Ill move the single sensor inside

lean zealot
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Cool, as long as we're all on the same page, get it printed/assembled/and wired and we can come back then

dense sequoia
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πŸ‘

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Printing the parts right now

lean zealot
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sweeet

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So, probably a tomorrow project on all of it?

dense sequoia
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hopefully

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i might try and get it done tonight

frank forge
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then just gotta put in all the stuff for the cutter into the config lol

dense sequoia
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yep

lean zealot
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That's 90% getting positions right

dense sequoia
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2 hrs to print

lean zealot
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Oh hell, we can work on it tonight if you have blades and stuff

dense sequoia
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I might have some blades but not sure

lean zealot
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Ah, I mean, we can always try to do tip forming as well as a temporary thing

dense sequoia
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#4 blades ?

hidden plank
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or the OLFA ones I have linked before

dense sequoia
hidden plank
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those work

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needs to be cut/snapped to size - i used a jig off printables

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search for filametrix jig

dense sequoia
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link ?

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24,25,26mm ?

hidden plank
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i went with whatever is on the BOM - i think 26

lean zealot
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26 iirc

dense sequoia
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ok I found blades / jig

frank forge
hidden plank
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same

vapid lantern
dense sequoia
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Nozzle clogged had to start over

dense sequoia
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dang x1c nozzlew clogged and cant get it unclogged

frank forge
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But I thought those things just work all the time

dense sequoia
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1st clog 3k hours

dense sequoia
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Hf nozzle junk just will not unclog

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I have to order new nozxle...think I'll get a revo

vapid lantern
dense sequoia
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for the x1c

lean zealot
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Have a friend that just put the Revo hot end on an x1c as well

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it's nice, but nozzles are going to cost more

dense sequoia
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Have obsidian right now and it's clogged

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I might look at the hako nozzle

frank forge
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Diamondback on sale on Amazon for SMRRF….. just sayin

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30% off

dense sequoia
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nice whens that

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and what diamond back

dense sequoia
frank forge
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Sec

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Driving lol

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The standard v6 one

dense sequoia
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dont htink that works on x1c

frank forge
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Crap looks like it ended yesterday

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Ohhh right

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My b forgot it was bamboozle

dense sequoia
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yea i have TC for both vorons

dense sequoia
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Threw the obsidian nozzle in the trash. I order the revo

cyan shuttle
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A torch wont clear it???

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Ive yet to have a torch not clear a clog lol

dense sequoia
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nope I tried it after re-installing it just clunkys over and over

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even took extruder apart ..ran filament up throught the extruder

cyan shuttle
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Riddle me this Mike.... Are you using a common filament on these machines that are getting the clog?

dense sequoia
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using inalnd galaxy black never had a issue until now

cyan shuttle
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If so, I would probably stop using that filament. I have a certain PLA that always causes me issues so I no longer use it.

dense sequoia
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this is abs

cyan shuttle
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Just an example. Its a PLA with a high glitter load and it leaves a lot behind in the nozzle. It prints fine but the next filament that goes in will have clogging issues.

dense sequoia
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abs glitter

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brunning at 70

cyan shuttle
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Inland Galaxy Black should pretty much just be polymaker so its not too bad.

dense sequoia
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no i know

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I loaded the filament and extruder just clicky and clicks

dense sequoia
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friend brought over a nozzle

frank forge
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if it was ABS soaking in acetone should do it too

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might take a while though

dense sequoia
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yea

dense sequoia
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back in business

frank forge
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nice

dense sequoia
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printing parts so maybe tomorrow

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been one of those days

dense sequoia
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one day I might get it finished

frank forge
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we all believe in you

dense sequoia
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finishing up the cw2 parts right now

frank forge
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nice

dense sequoia
dense sequoia
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I think Im missing the front piece for the cutter

river jungle
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Looks like you have two back pieces

dense sequoia
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Yea i saw that

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I thought i removed it but I guess I didn't

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So printing front piece now

dense sequoia
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Unable to load module 'AFC_spool'

azure steppe
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rerun install script

dense sequoia
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ok

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now TN 2 error

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mcu 'turtleneck': Unable to connect

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Nevermind i found the issue

dense sequoia
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how do I get the t0 - t03 macros back

white igloo
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They are built into the software now

dense sequoia
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I was using them to test the lanes

hidden plank
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you still can

dense sequoia
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how ?

hidden plank
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use the console?

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T0

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T1

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etc

dense sequoia
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ok

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cool ..finaly got toolhead cutter installed

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Dang extruder heatrer failed again

dense sequoia
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recrimped again

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keeps failing