shut iron
Well, here we go, the first plate started, many more to go.
Should slowly print my parts over the week when away at work,
will be streaming on Saturday evening, Sunday and Monday the build and setup of the Box turtle over at my YT and twitch channel so in case anyone wants to tune in...
shut iron
okay this has been going for way longer than i though, need to tweak my print settings otherwise i won't be done by the end of the month lol
shut iron
👀
todays tray is done, printing corners for tonight….
tomorrow is the big tray…will be done with primary and then accent…
eager torrent
So organized lol
fallow grove
Better then my throw it all in an old filament box lol
eager torrent
Better then my throw it all in an old filament box lol
shut iron
Better then my throw it all in an old filament box lol
ahah this was my voron 2.4 build i have evolved since that
eager torrent
Evolved? There’s some kind of transcendence between boxes and labeled bags? 🤣
fallow grove
next step label maker
eager torrent
next step label maker
I have that…
I label all the screws for printer builds
😳
shut iron
I have that…
I label all the screws for printer builds
😳
ahah, i’m not that organized then
or am i ?
#off-topic message
fallow grove
eager torrent
It really comes down to what your brain likes
I box printed parts by color all just thrown together
But I like my screws tidy
shut iron
and here we go batch two of primary is started
shut iron
Part exclusion to the rescue
shut iron
Always a treat to look at the layers go down
shut iron
progress of the midday...
i canceled the smoll spur gear, since i'm not home i prefered to sacrifce these and not have the entier plate fail because of the gears not sticking to the print bed....will print it tonight slower and with less z-hop...z-hope is good for reliability, not on small parts tho ahah
but with this out of the way i believe i am done for the primary functional parts, i will print the skirts soon^TM but that's tradition to me, i always print the skirts at the end of the build, plus it will give me a print opporunity to try box turtle, my SF still has its side skirts missing lol
shut iron
Absak's classic Black and Red box turtle build
fallow grove
Noice!
shut iron
will probably dissasemble quickly on the weekend before stream
fallow grove
as far as assembly i just went in a circle putting the skirts in as i went then slid the trays in before putting the last side section on
shut iron
Respoolers are a little challenging to print, even with the 5015 from gdstime...on a stealth burner I had to clean out some overhang stringing
but probably because of multiple objects in the same trays...currently reprinting two and they are flawless
fallow grove
ya stealthburner is very particular of part orientation
summer charm
Slow it down, also looks like you need to do some EM & PA tuning.
My SB+Rapido printed these parts no problem at all 🙂 in ASA
shut iron
all valid points
i need to do PA…ahah
em i was using an old profil via a vpn on the train as i was on the quick
summer charm
The devil makes work for idle hands; don’t rush 🙂
shut iron
darn i love slicers, it's beautiful
shut iron
Helios is nearing 1k...
shut iron
Two trays going, one more to go
Then accent prints and we're good
shut iron
psa don’t try to clean your nozzle while a box turtle tray is still inside….
fallow grove
but how does the turtle tray look is the question
shut iron
doable
it will be one that is in the side of an extrusion
it was so stupid
i used my macro to unload filament....
wanted to load the accent color
....
arrrgh
fallow grove
😬
shut iron
it's more awefull than it looks
less
i'll be back on tracks in less than 30 minutes
that's why i love SB
it's easy to repair
good thing i have another on hand
odd parrot
that's why i love SB
That is why I chose your race … your bodies, so easily repaired
shut iron
well since i’m at it i might as well replace g2e with the version with the filament sensor right
this is a planned mistake
fallow grove
fallow grove
Any reason for running the can in the chain instead of just to the back?
fallow grove
Cause the turtle is a tank!
shut iron
Any reason for running the can in the chain instead of just to the back?
also nitehawk is rated for cable chain use
the cable i mean
so i though, why should i remove the cable chain if i don't need to
fallow grove
Gotcha. I just had the get them chains out to clean up the look
fallow grove
Also did the horizontal z chain which I like better
shut iron
Also did the horizontal z chain which I like better
that i want to do someday
also my tap is now ultra precise after that catastrophic failure
0.9um quite close from the 0.4um promised by voron TAP
fallow grove
lol just had to set it
shut iron
the noise, was not good
fallow grove
Ya I’ve started a print and forgot one was still on the plate… not good
fervent locust
well since i’m at it i might as well replace g2e with the version with the filam...
Did you do the dual or single?
I need to mod mine for a sensor, I have a g2e ready, still using CW2, trying to decide which one to mod.
shut iron
i’m really digging the fuzzy skin look
shut iron
pro tip ; do you hate that your magnet always go out of your 3d printed abs part ? try loctite 480 it’s the best for metal/abs
from :
https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/elhjcu/found_a_great_glue_for_magnets_in_3d_prints/
shut iron
by far the most annoying part of the build so far…stupid out of spec aliexpress seller
summer charm
Tappy tap it with a hammer
odd parrot
or lightly sand the shaft
I don't think they are out of tolerance/spec. i think it is that there are different tolerance classes between shafts and bearings that rarely align in our favor.
shut iron
I don't think they are out of tolerance/spec. i think it is that there are diffe...
yeah i just did that
worked like a charme
ok making some progress…
will be printing the skirts with the BT since i’m lazy
shut iron
quick and easy mount for my mosfet board
shut iron
Progress ongoing...still on track for at least 3 spool running on Monday
so far really impressed....everything fits, works, clicks, it's great...i've let my printers setting a bit loose to see if i would still get a BT up and running and so far it looks like it's set for sucess...
the hub works great too, now for the wiring, but that should be, fast...
fallow grove
looking good!
shut iron
That's gonna be a close fit
pale trail
That's gonna be a close fit
Can you upload the holder for the mosfet board somewhere? I was planning to use the same one
pale trail
Nice, thanks!
shut iron
np
shut iron
It's getting closer and closer
LEDs for the espoler next and then testing....
But before some...sleep
Shall we do a respooler test before tho ? I think so
Ooh nice
At 3.3v
Nice nice...it struggles a bit with a full spool but it's cool
I do understand now the importance of spoolman estimation tho...weight matters...
Wow I'm playing with it now and yeah it works super duper well so well...
shut iron
can't wait for tommorow....it's gonna be fun
fallow grove
Ready for that next cereal!
shut iron
Let's see who gets it first
shut iron
Wiring ongoing
Noice e
Still waiting for the last tray to finish...but we are so close...
shut iron
okay got it
shut iron
Okay....
The respooler don't work....still have to figure that out... Lane 1 and 4 motor dosent move when trigger is working but there is progress...
shut iron
Nice, thanks!
dosen't work btw
the card
at least i need to thinker with it....it's not a simple plug and play....
mmmh
pale trail
weird. Should be the same as the mosfetti
fallow grove
do you have a ground to the signal side?
shut iron
yes
i made sure to
i have now gutted it from the BT and will try to turn it with an arduino
fallow grove
biggie is if its 3.3v or 5v activation on the signal side
shut iron
yes
let's see....
no it's working
well maybe it is some bad wiring
i'll double check everything
ok enough for today tomorrow i’m working….ive gotten far not to the end but next weekend i should be done, with skirts too ahah
but first impression of filament loading unloading is really good… no more slippage thanks to no servo !
everything is automated from loading the filament through the trigger to changing lanes it just works… everything loads fine no hiccups or jams it’s really really good….
shut iron
I also have all the extruders and trigger working, just the espoler to fix and then it's game
abstract sinew
I also have all the extruders and trigger working, just the espoler to fix and ...
You mean now the easy part is over and the hard part begins 🙂
shut iron
I dont want to shoot myself on the foot but from my testing it looks very promising
Let's see...
pale trail
I dont want to shoot myself on the foot but from my testing it looks very promis...
Is the mosfet board working now?
shut iron
Is the mosfet board working now?
Nope just first trials, winding by hand.
It should work just need to understand what isn't working
shut iron
Is the mosfet board working now?
okay
so we are short 0.4v
it won't trigger at 3.3v so it's bust
pale trail
so we are short 0.4v
At the output or input side?
shut iron
time for some more shopping
at 3.3v on the signal side we get 0.5v on the output
so yeah....
pale trail
Ah okay. Yeah that's weird. I can check mine if you want
shut iron
no that's just what it is
after going back it's saying it's 4v-20v signal side
dumb me
pale trail
You did not connect 5v? 😄
shut iron
i did, but the mmb only has 3.3v to offer to saturate the mosfet
and with my testing it won't work
pale trail
ah okay. Need to check that on my setup too. Was planning to use a fly mellow
shut iron
most probably won't work either but let's see
pale trail
It has a dedicated 5V output at the bottom, so maybe I'm lucky
That board was btw. created with stuff like boxturtle in mind
fallow grove
I would guess the signal line on that also only goes to 3.3v
shut iron
it will probably not work either as it is probably still 3.3v logic from the stm but dunno
what he said
🤣
fallow grove
pale trail
I would guess the signal line on that also only goes to 3.3v
You mean the trigger signal on the input needs to be 5v?
fallow grove
for that board it appear so
shut iron
most probably won't work either but let's see
good thing i have a l9110 board on order that should arrive soonish
looking from the datasheet it should work
it was all planned that it wouldn't work
pale trail
Hmm that's really odd since the datasheet of the one you are currently using says 3-20V input PWM signal
pale trail
true 😄
shut iron
Input signal voltage: 4V~20V; Input current: approximately 5mA.
mine does say that
maybe yours is different
pale trail
ah okay
shut iron
okay late day progress, i tied to setup the respooler and going crazy why they were going all over the place, yeah they were unwiding not winding....stoopid
then i have to fix belay since i think i have it incorrectly, it's not really sliding back and forth need to figure it out... probably don't have the ptfe in the right sense
shut iron
yeah my brain is really borken with these buffer i cannot understand how they work
pale trail
yeah my brain is really borken with these buffer i cannot understand how they wo...
The switchs tells in our case the the BT when to move/stop moving the filament. When triggered, it moves more filament to add slack into the filament path. When there is enough filament in the system, it stops extruding and your toolhead extruder pulls the thingy with the collet back into the microswitch
shut iron
yeah the function i get it, it is the how, as in why the belay is supposed to move
like i know how it works, but now why it works, it's really troubling me....i'll eventually get it but like it's really frustrating
i'm pretty sure i'm just fried mentally at this point.
pale trail
I know that feeling 😄
fallow grove
It’s because as the extruder gets ahead it pulls more then the bt is pushing which causes the filament path to pull together pulling the belay into the switch. This triggers the software to rapid feed a certain amount at the bt to add some slack in the line.
summer quest
6mm travel has been working great for me with the belay. It does need to be really smooth to move well. I took some fine grit sandpaper and cleaned all the moving surfaces and it made a big difference
fallow grove
What the turtle neck will do is monitor the path and adjust the rotation distance of the lane extruder on the fly to keep them in line.
sharp sky
It’s because as the extruder gets ahead it pulls more then the bt is pushing whi...
did you see this? https://www.printables.com/model/999411-reverselay-toolhead-runout-sensor
i don't understand it fully but will it work better than standard belay?
shut iron
Isnt it just adding a spring ?
shut iron
hum, so i'm trying the unloading loading and now the i tried the afc eject macro
i'm just hearing the extruder from the afc working but nothing else
it keeps trying to do ????
Mmh, after trying to do an emergency shutdown to cycle the thing it now it has just froze my entire system lol
Good thing is belay seems to work
eager torrent
You ejected it and it kept running after the filament was unloaded?
shut iron
That's another issue I seem to have when it unloads it shoots it out and then tried to load it back up...
fallow grove
You do tool unload or lane eject?
shut iron
AFC eject ?
Will test now with higher min temp
Maybe it's a bit low and thus struggling to remove abs...very likely
ah i see what it is,
i was sending a tool unload command
this was trying to unload path 1 but since path 1 is, well path 1 and not path 2 (the one loaded in the extruder) it was doing some weird things
sharp sky
Isnt it just adding a spring ?
from my understanding is this one keeps feeding the extruder until it hit the switch to stop and the OG belay is to feed filament when the switch is activated
shut iron
maybe this is to be considered and give an error like "lane is not currently loaded, cannot unload"
fallow grove
To unload the currently loaded tool you just run the tool_unload with no lane specified. Are you on the dev branch of AFC?
shut iron
no i am on main
ok so then it is something else....
ah
the filament was stuck in the toolhead
ok
yeah my bt seems to really enjoy ejecting lane.....
i will do some more testing and report back...
fallow grove
Are you on the latest afc on the main branch?
shut iron
latest commit is 2 days ago
if yes, yes
mmh also having neopixel issues
will double check it is really up to date
it seems it is ejecting it after reboot when the hub is not clear btw
fallow grove
That’s normal. Prep will try to clear the hub if it boots and the hub is triggered but the tool head sensor isn’t
shut iron
it is also cosistently lane 1
fallow grove
As far as it pulling back too far and no able to feed in again that was in a fix pretty recently is why I was asking about the version.
fallow grove
Open the afc.var and set all the loaded to false then reset firmware.
shut iron
that fixed it. not ejecting it
eager torrent
that fixed it. not ejecting it
This is why he is the Smort
shut iron
yeah
eager torrent
shut iron
for one issue
🙂
ahah
one step at a time
ok so after the update now all my lane are ejecting when preping
hum let's see
fallow grove
What’s the afc query showing
shut iron
extruder clear trigger active ?
🤔 i guess the troublshooting part of box turtle...i don't want to take your valuable time for me... i think it's best if i leave discord for a minute and then come back once i bang my head hard againts my BT
fallow grove
Ya I would eject all lanes and double check all sensors are showing false properly to start
I’ve had stuck hub and tool head sensors cause head scratchers
fallow grove
No it’s shouldn’t be unloaded them. Prep just do a quick back and forth move to verify the lane. Leads me to think possibly hub sensor stuck. Did the query for it read false?
fallow grove
haha no problem let me know how it goes
summer quest
No it’s shouldn’t be unloaded them. Prep just do a quick back and forth move to ...
This morning I found there is a while statement not being broken in the prep function causing this. I’ll try to get PR put in to fix it today.
shut iron
For now the big issue isn't the logic... my steppers are just too weak I guess since I'm running everything on 12v for now will bump the amps a bit I think
It's just having trouble loading past the ball bearing in the toolhead I guess
Ok...
Box turtle is hungry for filament...
abstract sinew
Box turtle is hungry for filament...
Yah, you have to be really careful about this, it will cause a lot of issues in loading/unloading obviously if the steppers spin
shut iron
What's the cause of this you think ?
fallow grove
Try loosening the tensioner arm up some
abstract sinew
It can also happen if it fails to feed or catches on something like the extruder input, belay, etc
But that is a bit more noticeable
fallow grove
ya i like to add a bevel to the inside of my bowden tubes anywhere that is an inlet for the filament when its feeding
abstract sinew
That made a big difference for belay
shut iron
I think it's mainly because of extruder input...will have to calibrate my esteps for each of my lanes...they seem to slightly differ Between each other. ..
fallow grove
Tomorrow’s code update will add a lane move macro you can use to calibrate them.
shut iron
Just what I need, cool !
shut iron
Okay, making progress...
Now just to do tip shaping since I'm getting a big fat tip
Excellent !!!
Tip is super good now
Now only extruder to fix and we are serial time.
Well first I should finish my skirts lil
shut iron
Also
eager torrent
someone else added the temp thing, its planned to be fixed tomorrow
shut iron
Also also
The AFC plugging is messing with my electronic bay fans I'm getting stepper driver warning
But I guess this is normal since it's macro based...
eager torrent
pretty hefty overhaul on AFC coming tomorrow
shut iron
Cool I'm just getting over with troubleshooting I think now it's getting to a point where it's good...
eager torrent
things got kind of muddy, so its split into 2 branches now so we can validate PRs more easily before breaking things
shut iron
Oh don't you worry I'm just doing my thing now
Just don't worry
It's the little things (esteps, tuning very well the distance etc...), the core of AFC and by extension BT works and very well so that's the important part
eager torrent
will be dropping BTT mmb support when beta closes... having to balance the two is not fun, the MMB was literally just a get off the ground compromise for it... cludgy
shut iron
As long as when it ends the AFC lite is open source it's fine
I will want it in my hands asap and assembling it myself is the fastest way to...Soo yeah, and also it means more financial support to isiks and armored turtle since I will spend what I would've spent in shipping in donation...
Yaay success..
shut iron
nice skirts
Innit
No that was a failed attempt you saw,
Is a cutter really necessary these tips seems very good to me
eager torrent
cutters are the easiest to set up, and definitely more reliable
eager torrent
torture turtle time
shut iron
Poor turtle
eager torrent
we started calling the serial print that, because so many people have a hard time with it
shut iron
I don't want to jinks it but let's see 🙈
Still have to get the slicer part understood but it's promising
Number 9 would be cool...
But still have the skirts to print so probably someone will get it
shut iron
Well at least filament swaps are going well....idk what super slicer thinks it's doing but it's just going through filament swap and purging?
Well at least the box turtle works....
And works really well
Oh okay I get what it does it's doing a purge line for each color...OKAYY
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freq=180003626 nhk: mcu_awake=0.021 mcu_task_avg=0.000022 mcu_task_stddev=0.000045 bytes_write=363950 bytes_read=515007 bytes_retransmit=9 bytes_invalid=0 send_seq=35208 receive_seq=35208 retransmit_seq=2 srtt=0.000 rttvar=0.000 rto=0.025 ready_bytes=0 upcoming_bytes=0 freq=11999672 adj=11999428 AFC: mcu_awake=0.003 mcu_task_avg=0.000016 mcu_task_stddev=0.000016 bytes_write=148501 bytes_read=200886 bytes_retransmit=9 bytes_invalid=0 send_seq=7721 receive_seq=7721 retransmit_seq=2 srtt=0.000 rttvar=0.000 rto=0.025 ready_bytes=0 upcoming_bytes=0 freq=63999994 adj=63998633 heater_bed: target=107 temp=106.9 pwm=0.418 mcu: temp=36.2 Pi: temp=39.9 Chamber: temp=54.2 sd_pos=49706 nh_temp: temp=70.9 AFC: temp=41.6 sysload=0.42 cputime=180.039 memavail=1395664 print_time=963.187 buffer_time=2.757 print_stall=0 extruder: target=235 temp=234.7 pwm=0.343
Extruder not configured
Exiting SD card print (position 49828)
good job logs very usefull...
it comes from M104
hmmm how to i prevent superslicer from parsing T1 for the M104
i had to remove M104 S0 from my start Gcode....
shut iron
1%.....
It will more than likely fail cause the length to the nozzle is just ever so slightly too much...
No way
shut iron
18 layer out of 30.... 77%
layer 21 of 30 87%
90%....
so i was having some trouble loading the filament and it's probably because of the toolhead beeing in the back when loading if you put the parking location at the front of the printer it seems to help with loading with galileo 2
ah snap
filament snapped inside...
oh no
i though it did all good
I cannot believe it
I touched the emergency stop button by mistake
I was almost done
Ffa
Ffa
Ffs
.....
sutpid touchscreen
well there we go again
i though i had enabled confirm in klipperscreen
arrrg
ok going with my own profile the one from the 3mf isn't with my settings so it's also looking like shit
chilly plank
I touched the emergency stop button by mistake
This happened to me before where I didn't lock my phone and my palm hit the estop.
shut iron
oh yeah
chilly plank
looking good!! 🔥
fervent locust
odd parrot
<@397432363593891872> Clean
It is indeed
narrow nexus
i’m really digging the fuzzy skin look
what setting for ur fuzzy u picked
