GOC doubt

[storm ember]

Should ring strain be considered here?

How to determine which ones more basic between b and c

[shadow bison]

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[true tangle]

pka values :D

mug vomit

,rotate

[true tangle]

in (i) c N has an electron withdrawing effect right?

or do you mean (ii) c

(ii) c N has methyl on it, this would electron donating effect, right? so most basic would be c?

[storm ember]

was asking about the first part sir

[true tangle]

right so N pulls electrons from the other N

so it is gonna be the least basic

can check pka values to be sure

[tepid idol]

1st is d>c>b>a ??

[cobalt gale]

it should be I think d>b>c>a as the other nitrogen in (c) part has -I effect towards the first nitrogen, so it would be less basic than (b)

[fringe bolt]

but dont we have more e- from LP of N for donation in c?

[cobalt gale]

what sir said here; we know both the nitrogens are not in resonance with the ring but both have e- withdrawing, i.e, -I effect on each other which reduces its basicity

[fringe bolt]

oh okay

right

[storm ember]

right

cool

[tepid idol]

oh right makes sense

[rain bobcat]

i got a ghost ping from here

[true tangle]

+solved @cobalt gale