#Renew Your Upgrade Plan, Get a u-he Plug-in For Free

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mossy snow
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You can get Bazille or Satin for free when renewing until September 29th

https://www.bitwig.com/buy/

Anyone have any thoughts about these two? On first look Bazille doesn't appeal much to me but I'll have to listen to some sound demos.

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Oh also "On top of this offer, we're giving all our Bitwig Studio license holders an exclusive 25% discount coupon code* for the u-he webshop. Your code is waiting for you in your Bitwig account."

worldly wing
mossy snow
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Does u-he sell the bitwig upgrade plans in their webshop?

worldly wing
mossy snow
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Ah right I see, that's too bad

worldly wing
# mossy snow Ah right I see, that's too bad

Well, that would be too good to be true.

I'll still extend my upgrade plan for sure, just need to decide whether I want Bazille or Satin? I had Bazille & sold it because it was collecting "dust" what we me having Grid, VCV Rack v2 and Realtor 6. But I've no idea what "tape" plugins are for - gotta test it this weekend, I guess 😄

late wyvern
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I've owned lots of hardware and software synths and have a bunch of eurorack. If I could only have 1 synth of any sort, it would be Bazille. Bazille is my favorite synth I have ever used.

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And in the next week there will be a CLAP beta of Bazille which means a whole lot of additional capability using Bitwig's per voice modulators!

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I have the 3rd Wave synth arriving in the next few weeks... but I'm more excited about the CLAP version of Bazille 🤩

mossy snow
# late wyvern I've owned lots of hardware and software synths and have a bunch of eurorack. If...

Could you expand at all on any particular features that make it so revered for you? I checked out some YouTube demos earlier and my immediate impression was it sounded fantastic (at least the filters did) but I was turned off by the interface, specifically the modulation system of needing a ton of attenuator knobs to be always visible and all the other utilities, bitwig has spoiled me in this regard. I feel like all the extra modulation knobs and ports, and the repetition of modules makes something that I think is actually only medium-complexity a bit overwhelming when presented all at once on one screen. Of course this is just my impression from the video demos and not from actually getting my hands on it.

late wyvern
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@mossy snow Yeah, the interface is not the easiest. And it can be overwhelming for a new user. The first time I used it (original public alpha version) I didn't even know how to make a sound at all!

At this point, I've used Bazille so much that I am comfortable using the interface and I love the Gearporn skin where everything is on one pane. No tabbing at all which I really like.

It's the sound and the incredible diversity of sounds and the complex feedbacks that create these gorgeous nuances. Bazille can create these beautiful ephemeral lead sounds... so expressive! I'm most drawn to the edge of instability and being able to control that expressively and that's where Bazille shines for me.

The Oscillators are each like a synth by themselves. The range of sounds from just one Osc is huge. An Osc can go from 0 hz to well beyond human hearing. They can modulate anything including themselves. The filters are fantastic and deal well with feedback and drive and the resonance sounds great. The multiples are very useful (will be even more so with the CLAP version in Bitwig). The Envelopes are more flexible than they might appear. I could make an Env that fades out over 5 minutes if I want to. The Sequencer is underrated. I have a bunch of sounds where the sequencer is the sound source.

I could gush on for a long time... hehehe

mossy snow
# late wyvern <@212648049250402305> Yeah, the interface is not the easiest. And it can be over...

Thanks for the gushing, it's very informative! You're really making me want to cash in my upgrade plan as I love those on-the-edge of feedback sounds as well. I've also realised that I installed the free BazilleCM a while ago and I've barely touched it. On first look it seems BazilleCM does about 75% of what Bazille does, I think most of what is missing are mostly features that exist but are doubled up in the full version e.g. it only has 2 oscillators, one filter, one LFO (bitwig laughs at this). Bazille looks like it also has some additional post fx and voice stacking controls as well. I'm going to explore bazillecm some more tonight to try and convince myself that I don't need it's big brother 🙂

late wyvern
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@mossy snow There will be a CLAP beta of Bazille in the next week or so. So lots of parameters that cannot currently be modulated, will be available to per voice Bitwig modulators

mossy snow
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That's cool, I wonder if they will also release bazillecm in clap as well?

late wyvern
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That is complicated since Bazille CM was commissioned by CM... so it will be up to them. I'd say it is unlikely to have a CLAP version anytime soon.

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@mossy snow and yeah... Bazille CM is like half of Bazille. It is missing MPE timbre (cc#74). Not sure if it is multi-channel at all. Bazille also has 4 filters to the 1 in CM. Bazille also has the 2 ramps and neither are in CM

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But otherwise it is quite capable

mossy snow
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CM had a fairly recent update, but tbh that might make it less likely to be updated to clap since I think it was more of a long term-support update

late wyvern
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CM now has MTS-EPS support... which means it is multi-channel aware

mossy snow
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BazilleCM still has multichannel pressure, which is absolutely fantastic to give expressivity

short temple
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what about satin, still holding up?

late wyvern
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yes

late wyvern
short temple
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seems to be useable as a bus fx

ashen flicker
hollow ingot
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Website re: u-he plugins: "This is a limited offer, please send us your choice by October 31, 2022."

Post-registration email: "This is a limited offer. Please send us your choice by October 14, 2022.

🤔

hollow ingot
short temple
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well only you can decide but i stopped looking at it at 170€ i dont want to renew now for free satin tbh

hollow ingot
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ha, i wish i could!

hollow ingot
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on the surface it looks like both Bazille and Satin sit in a territory that is already pretty well covered, at least on my end. For tape there is CHOWTape, Ozone Vintage Tape, a pretty neat Reaktor VHS Tape ensemble — seems like with the exception of the latter they all have similar implications for mastering despite all being unique.

ashen flicker
hollow ingot
ashen flicker
hollow ingot
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I get that Bazille is a unique combination of components, but the goal is to avoid getting a new tool to do what I already can without too much fuss

hollow ingot
ashen flicker
hollow ingot
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Or rather, the goal is to decide between Bazille and Satin :)

ashen flicker
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Satin has a nice tape delay and the flanger on top of a good tape model which sets it a bit apart from other tape plugins but delay and flanger is probably covered by other plugins for you

hollow ingot
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The compander aspect and it's mastering implications are really interesting

ashen flicker
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Have you seen the Dan Worral video on the compander already?

hollow ingot
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I'm half way throught that

ashen flicker
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It would have lead me to buy Satin if I didn't have it already

hollow ingot
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earlier it wouldn't have occurred to me that tape plugins have uses beyond making things sound warm and tapey

ashen flicker
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as a counterargument you could just set up a chain of eq and multiband compression and another reversing it to kind of have something similar

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I don't know if the dolby filters are publicly available tho

hollow ingot
ashen flicker
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But you would just have to do it once and the just dial in a wet dry

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so you tend a bit more in the satin direction?

hollow ingot
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i'm still torn :( My one indicator is the Hive2 from last year, which hasn't done much for me beyond the new toy excitement (then again, I've been mostly programming controllers instead of making music). If Bazille were to end up like that, then Satin seems a more prudent choice as there are just more reasons to use it.

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If they weren't free I wouldn't be buying either and instead focusing on exploring existing toys of which there are plenty.

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I wonder why Satin didn't include separate mix knobs for encoder/decoder

hollow ingot
worldly wing
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Today's Studio One v6 reveal took the pressure off of me to decide whether to early upgrade Bitwig. But I'll likely use the U-He 25% off code for MFM2.5.

hollow ingot
ashen flicker
ashen flicker
late wyvern
# hollow ingot Well there is Vital and Massive X on one end, Reaktor and VCV on the other, Surg...

Neither Vital or MX or Surge come close to duplicating Bazille. Reaktor Blocks is too cpu intensive and is not easy to work with for polyphony or for saving presets. Bitwig's Polymer/Grid cannot do the types of feedbacks that Bazille can.

I have not used VCV because it is too complicated, too many options. I also have a lot of Eurorack.

Nothing else has scratched my Bazille itch. Bazille is quite unique.

hollow ingot
late wyvern
# hollow ingot i'm still torn :( My one indicator is the Hive2 from last year, which hasn't don...

If you have Vital, then there is quite a bit of overlap with Hive. What Hive does have is some gorgeous sounding Comb filters but besides a few other unique tidbits, Vital should have you covered.

Bazille however, has nothing else out there like it.

Not trying to convince you that you need Bazille. You may not and it also has a learning curve. It's just my favorite synth ever so I have to say some positive things about it 🙂

hollow ingot
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two very nice, very unique and very different plugins

late wyvern
hollow ingot
late wyvern
# hollow ingot what if you had to choose one? :)

Bazille of course... 🙂

If I could only have 1 synth... hardware or software and regardless of price, it would be Bazille. So of course that would be my choice

And Bazille has a bunch of parameters that cannot be modulated so I was thrilled to hear that the next round of CLAP betas from u-he will include CLAP Bazille.

CLAP ACE has been an eye-opener. It's like ACE v2 with all the new possibilities.

hollow ingot
late wyvern
worldly wing
hollow ingot
hollow ingot
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Going to sleep on it a little more, but Satin looks like a clear winner. In case it helps anyone else, here is why: there are so many ways to make interesting sounds, and so many different ways and techniques that end up sounding similar. Bazille is clearly very good as complex semi-modular synths go (especially dig the Mapping Generators and the multi-out filters) and I'm sure there is an extra margin of finesse in the sound — I just can't really hear it enough to appreciate, and upon reflection I don't really need a complex semi-modular when simpler things make other but equally interesting sounds.

mossy snow
hollow ingot
mossy snow
hollow ingot
late wyvern
hollow ingot
late wyvern
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These are just a sliver of all the possibilities in Bazille 👍🏻

hollow ingot
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@late wyvern thanks! Are those all your patches?

hollow ingot
late wyvern
ashen flicker
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all sound great

late wyvern
hollow ingot
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I still went for Satin and plan to get the CM version later. Lately I've been majorly preoccupied with NI Form anyway.

ashen flicker
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I think it’s the right choice especially with BazilleCM existing. I completely forgot that it did.