PLS INNOVATE VANGUARDS OR EVERY UNITS IN GENERAL MORE BETTER

[drifting elk]

I personally think sung jin woo needs one

[sick carbon]

Folk

[whole fossil]

if they were all permanent either Gogeta or Kaguya

[digital flame]

kaguya

[drifting elk]

Yeah but kaguya just got her own memoria

[digital flame]

kaguya is the goat she needs it

[foggy widget]

vsjw needs vf/memoria sb

[drifting elk]

Yeah but sung jin woo has so many shadows left

[shut roost]

and it sucks and did nothing give her a vf

[digital flame]

they should make them obtainable via odyssey

[foggy widget]

he could carry unknown element so much

[digital flame]

like u max them out and get their memoria/vf

[whole fossil]

But you have to consider the chuds that'll whine about Kaguya being obtainable again

[sand holly]

i bet you could beat unknown tower without using a single unknown unit

[digital flame]

no only the vf/memoria

[sand holly]

that's how buns unknown element is

[digital flame]

aint no way we are making limited units not limited

[fiery ocean]

this wouldn’t need to happen if they weren’t limited in the first place

just saying

[whole fossil]

there shouldn't be a single limited non-shiny unit in this game

[severe briar]

and what would it do?

summoners are useless here

[drifting elk]

Not rlly

[drifting elk]

His summons have passives

[shut roost]

who cares abt sjw

[digital flame]

me

[severe briar]

nah man u cant do much with his current kit atm

they just going have to wait until season 3 solo leveling is out and we have the three army (sjw beru and igris)

[shut roost]

u want a sjw vf go play his odyssey

[drifting elk]

He was legit meta last update

[digital flame]

exactly they should make a vf obtainable via odyssey

[severe briar]

bro what is a vf and a memoria supposed to do 🙏

[shut roost]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[drifting elk]

Legit check the tierlist he was meta utility last update

[shut roost]

bro idc abt the tierlist

[drifting elk]

Buff older units and this is a 4.5 unit

[whole fossil]

at the bottom of utility prolly

[severe briar]

damage buffs? thats it??

[shut roost]

who was using sjw last upd name someone

[drifting elk]

Yes

[severe briar]

alright i think he just rage baiting on purpose

[drifting elk]

No for example more passives or maybe actives

[whole fossil]

arise summons are not that useful as of now

[shut roost]

average garbage leveling fan

[severe briar]

yeah but u cant do that with his current version

[fiery ocean]

son that’s not a vf 😭😭😭

[severe briar]

they would need to give him another version but with his current one thers nothing to give him

[drifting elk]

Just add more of his summons from the manhwa

They dont have to wait for s3 to drop when the manhwa is complete

[digital flame]

🤡

[severe briar]

this is exactly what im talking about

[digital flame]

vsjw is a goated unit and deserves a vf
he has an awesome design he just falters in some areas

i do concede that the person you are talking to is kinda...

[severe briar]

like why do you want see bellion in jeju version

[buoyant thicket]

agreed, he needs a vf and memoria

[digital flame]

i need to remake my vf and memoria for him 😭 i made a stage usggestion a while back and it sucked

[drifting elk]

They legit showed us a 10 tails madara form ability in edo tensei madaras form its ok to do that with sung jin woo

[severe briar]

It is not okay when we KNOW he is going get another evo

Just stop saying bullshit shit man you're acting like im against the idea of him getting a vf and a memoria

[digital flame]

i doubt they would add more than like 1 summon through a vanguard familiar

[shut roost]

a wounded reskin is not infinite tsukiyomi gng

[drifting elk]

Wait madara is getting an evo?

[severe briar]

the problem is you want add a bunch of shit that dont FIT HIM in his current version

like you're trying to give him bellion, black heart and all of that shit to current version

[whole fossil]

-# why the fuck did they think making Madara tha bannerguard was a good idea

[drifting elk]

Yeah ik but why do you think its called slumber

[drifting elk]

Screw sung jin woo for now madara is getting an evo?

[severe briar]

because seasonal banners shows better results than f2p vanguards

[next zodiac]

True

[gleaming raptor]

stuff that also wouldnt happen for a vf cuz thats brand new assets

[whole fossil]

gotta hit the players with fomo somehow

[drifting elk]

You mean madara right

[severe briar]

sjw

[drifting elk]

You mean him getting another evo?

[severe briar]

yeah

actually i'd forget about it pretty sure the game is dead by the time solo leveling season 3 is out

but if by miraclethe game is alive when its out they wont hesitate to give him another evo

[whole fossil]

I'll bet $20 this game still alive next year

[shut roost]

theres no other comp this game isnt dying for a while

unless they do a generational fumble

[whole fossil]

UTD gonna fumble hard in a few months

[severe briar]

iirc they are running out of anime ideas

[shut roost]

what?

do you know many anime they can do gng

[severe briar]

feels like we done a lot of popular mainstream updates and its just the small animes nobody rlly know about

[severe briar]

i do know small anime update dont do well for this game

[drifting elk]

There is still alot more left

[queen otter]

we still have a loooot left

klk, fire force, soul eater and a bunch more

[severe briar]

honestly those are all animes that really fits in a 0.5 update than a 0.0

[queen otter]

fire force??

[whole fossil]

1.0 - JJK
2.0 - Fate
4.0 - Bleach
5.0 - DBZ
6.0 - Guilty Gear
7.0 - AOT
8.0 - Berserk
10.0 - One Piece
11.0 - Chainsaw Man
12.0 - Naruto
13.0 - One Piece (again?)

its all mainstream 😱

[severe briar]

fire force yeah we only know what 3 people? shinra and the white hair guy

[gleaming raptor]

theres always more

[severe briar]

beni and he already in av

[gleaming raptor]

think of all the dbz updates that can be done

[shut roost]

in shonen alone we still havent done demon slayer, fma, a full jojo upd, dragon ball super, 2nd jjk upd, black clover, fire force, hxh, my hero, fairy tail,

[drifting elk]

Boruto , isshiki , black clover , kaiju 8 , tokyo ghoul , jojos , fairy tail , hunter x hunter , jjk , full metal alchemist , death note , fire force , bleach

[shut roost]

tokyo ghoull please bruh

[gleaming raptor]

death note is not getting its own update

[drifting elk]

World lines unit

[shut roost]

thats just popular mainstream shonens too

[fiery ocean]

this isn’t even true

[shut roost]

shit bro we can have a sao upd if they really want to

[drifting elk]

Im still not even finished

[whole fossil]

fuckin hated that update in AA

[gleaming raptor]

cuz it was a filler ass update with no good units
lefa was the only not terrible one and she performed almost the same as wendy anyways

[drifting elk]

Mha , hell paradise , gachiakuta

[whole fossil]

Stain was the only character anybody gaf about

[severe briar]

ccu wise they do show better results

[gleaming raptor]

oh shit yea stain was that update
lowk forgot about that

[whole fossil]

AA was weird about raids

[drifting elk]

About 13 of the animes that ive named have more than enough characters to make their own updates

[severe briar]

and yes im using rolimon's as my primary source on how constant the ccu are

[drifting elk]

And there are still alot of animes coming out

[gleaming raptor]

very true
enough time has passed

[drifting elk]

And btw i didnt pick a single manhwa im pretty sure

[queen otter]

i barely know any manhwas

[whole fossil]

They could do like 3 guilty gear updates with how diverse the cast is

[gleaming raptor]

im ngl theres very few manhwa that could do good as a update theme

[queen otter]

just player and solo leveling

[shut roost]

theres 1 solo leveling

[drifting elk]

Tower of god , legend of the northern blade , absolute sword sense , solo lvling ,myst might mayhem

[shut roost]

other manwhas are just more solo leveling

[drifting elk]

There is alot of content

[shut roost]

kagurabachi will be an update ik it will

[fiery ocean]

if you actually look at this games history they do not 😭
they’re about the same and if not seasonal events can be worse most of the time

DDD killed the game
winter the ccu was still in the 30k range
sjw was 100k
kaguya was 60k
escanor was 120k
broly was 120k
ainz was 60k
rukia 100k
ichigo 60-80k
madara 50-60k

[drifting elk]

Av is not dying anytime soon

[shut roost]

and ichi the witch mabyee if that gets an anime in like 2 yrss

[drifting elk]

And fushi from to your eternity

[gleaming raptor]

tbf winter was start of ccu comeback, before that it was like 6k

[whole fossil]

legit it just depends on how good the content was

[queen otter]

to your eternity would be a fire update

but i cant see it being a .0 tho

[sleek atlas]

it was like 30k

[fiery ocean]

yes exactly
but preferably it’d be much better if we got quest vanguards instead of seasonals

[sleek atlas]

naruto update was six thousand

[drifting elk]

World lines prob

[azure cloud]

madara had 50k-70k actually

[whole fossil]

They should add another guilty gear character to the game
They picked all the basic characters in 6.0

[gleaming raptor]

day before winter

[sleek atlas]

i saw it peak at like 75k

[queen otter]

yes please

[sleek atlas]

oh wow i thought op held ccu pretty well

[gleaming raptor]

wrong winter broski

[shut roost]

op has no hype

[gleaming raptor]

im talking about 3.0

[sleek atlas]

oh yea game was in absolute shambles then

[shut roost]

i wasnt eveen playing during that

[gleaming raptor]

3 updates in a row where the meta didnt shift one bit

[whole fossil]

Like in a game where Faust, Zato, Nagoriyuki, Bedman, Testament, and ABA exist
They put in Bridget and Elphelt

[sick carbon]

Qh's had saber at t1 so it was all good

W t6 ywach

[gleaming raptor]

bridget is one of the more well known gg characters she was bound to be added

[sleek atlas]

i dont even think it was that

[queen otter]

i mean bedman was in the game just as a mount

[digital flame]

zinger bro

[queen otter]

either way the unit choices for gg update was pretty good so i aint complaining

[digital flame]

when is notgoodguy getting a vanguard familiar

[queen otter]

but there were better character choices

[gleaming raptor]

it was part of it
3 week wait for 1 unit (who was mid) and a boss rush
then like a 4 week wait for the most unbearable grind where the only unit that isnt complete garbage is the impossibly rare one
then a update with a annoying mechanic with almost no good units to use and none of the units are even worth getting anyways

[sleek atlas]

dandadan: i think it was fine overhated imo
sbr: extremely buggy on release but the units were so shit
fate: it was fine just the simple legend stage grind

[gleaming raptor]

i wasnt even refering to fate i was refering to 1.1 to 1.75

fate was good

ppl liked dat

[whole fossil]

Imagine if the SBR units were good on launch

[shut roost]

helll no

dandadan was horriblee sbr was horrible

[fiery ocean]

wow

[shut roost]

i cant say anything abt fate cause sbr made me quit the egame

[gleaming raptor]

dandadan had a good mode and cool mechanics added but the grind was just so abymsal that it killed the game

[sleek atlas]

only reason im saying its overhated is because aa had the exact same gamemode but everybody glazed it

[queen otter]

fate was pretty good, simple grind but the unit designs werent horrible either

[digital flame]

dandadan was fire people slept on it

[sleek atlas]

cold

[sleek atlas]

those who know about the 20%

[fiery ocean]

it was the worst update the game ever released

[digital flame]

bro naruto literlaly dropped like a month ago what r we talking about

[fiery ocean]

i know you’re joking but i just want to make that very clear

[whole fossil]

Buu Saga was worse

[digital flame]

dandadan was better than naruto

[fiery ocean]

hell nah

[digital flame]

gneuinely 12.0 was the worst update theyve dropped

[whole fossil]

familiar corruption is an awful mechanic

[digital flame]

✅

[gleaming raptor]

crazy thing to say

[digital flame]

im a prophet who only speaks the truth

[whole fossil]

I hated the chainsaw man upd more than 12.0

[digital flame]

honestly like the legend stage grind isnt fun i still dont have pain

its fine for the first 5 stages but thers literlaly nothing to do because the stages are so easy

if it was difficult like it required 5% of my attention it would be slightly enjoyable

[sleek atlas]

chainsaw man was cool they had the demons vs hunters thingy

[digital flame]

2nd worst event behind conq conflict btw

[whole fossil]

if only it didn't pay out like half the time

[digital flame]

they somehow didnt learn their lesson and decided to drop demons vs hunters

[sleek atlas]

people when utd drops the exact same update: greatest thing ever

[digital flame]

utd dmc update was kinda stinky idk why people are playing it

[whole fossil]

you see, they made a batch of updates so they can drop every week

[digital flame]

idk why people play the game it doesnt have fun gameplay, but at least their game has some difficulty

[sleek atlas]

deadass just als 😭

[digital flame]

i dont feel like my units are going to be powercrept by 10 times the damage the next update

[viral cargo]

they giving too much codes tbh

[digital flame]

true

[viral cargo]

why are codes more efficient than actually grinding for rrs 😭

[sleek atlas]

ive gotten around 3000 rrs from codes

[viral cargo]

brother

[sleek atlas]

its so dumb dude

[shut roost]

demons vs hunter was fun

[digital flame]

it was literally a gamble to see who would clear the stage last

[shut roost]

yea and thats fun

[digital flame]

sonnnnnnnnnn

[viral cargo]

they’re eventually putting in boundless units in codes atp

[digital flame]

putting units into codes is kinda weird tbh

[sleek atlas]

wont be suprised

[viral cargo]

mobile optimzation kinda stinks too

[digital flame]

better than locking it behind 38 stages though

[viral cargo]

since release it sucks

[digital flame]

their ui design feels old

[whole fossil]

It'll be part of their comeback update 6 months from now when the game fumbles

[gleaming raptor]

especially evod secrets

[digital flame]

yeah that was kinda crazy but hes fodder now so its fine

[gleaming raptor]

yea thats all the code units
just feels weird

[digital flame]

theres like no point to put units in besides giving us shard

[gleaming raptor]

or did ragna make a comeback and was actually good
i never pay much attention to whos actually good

[viral cargo]

no

[digital flame]

ragna is still bad

[whole fossil]

pretty sure its only the units that are outdated

[drifting elk]

My luck on raids is so bad

I legit did hueco raid 23 times and still no mask

[granite pulsar]

Isnt tday the 2 new odyssey units

[digital flame]

17th

[granite pulsar]

Watch odyssey Madara have his actual full kit than normal gamemode

[granite pulsar]

6 hours

[digital flame]

17th est which is probably in 6 hours or 30 hours

actually definitely 6 hours nvm what am i saying

[drifting elk]

I wonder what his cards will even be

I pray that its not just ninjutsu related cards

[rain plaza]

Madara got done dirty but ngl I think it's kinda the fault of the ninjutsu feature (wich is terrible because of the irreversible dmg it has done to this game's powercreep cuz of Pain's passive and Naruto's transformation)

[rain plaza]

What I mean by that is they added Ninjutsu into his passive replacing potientally intersting passives and gameplay by ninjutslop

[shut roost]

true

[rain plaza]

the main problem of ninjutsu is the pain+nose combo ngl

like before I was accusing naruto and all but if he was expensive to max it wouldn't be as bad but the ninjutsu team allows you to max out for 800 yen

like the 3 main problematic units are Naruto (ability causes too much DPS and you can spam it too easily because of Pain), Pain (nose shouldn't have worked on him) and Minato (self maxxing the whole team)

g5 luffy or whoever comes next NEEDS to save the vanguard society from self-maxxing units and powercreeping DPSlop that multiplies hiself each update

[night sequoia]

madara will summon hashirama and do a rasenshuriken together

[jovial furnace]

Madara is very good though? Not everything is about dps in this game

This ain’t no aa gang, dps doesn’t mean the unit is the best, functionalities imply also

[rain plaza]

I've just tested solo Naruto with like only Rukia's buff I think no ninjutsu passive and all and this stupid abilty does around 6.5m DPS constently what kinda of slop is this man

[rain plaza]

It's about as much as my whole team's DPS (wich isn't very minmaxxed but you get the point)

[night sequoia]

is not that hard to read the suggestion ✌️

[rain plaza]

good doesn't mean it has good mechanics

[jovial furnace]

You got a point

[rain plaza]

ngl im testing the ninjutsu team rn

the only problem is naruto this guy is too OP how did this get past testing with the shitty arguement of "it requires active gameplay so it's fine"

16 million dps is WAY too much

for a single unit

[night sequoia]

also naruto have more effort put on his passives than madara does
madara apply for pure dps unit bc he is literally only that, he doesnt have anything to benefit his team (other than placing himself for free which other units like gohan already do that)
naruto have more synergy with his team

OP complain is valid, madara have nothing of innovation, he makes gogeta look like a complex unit ✌️

[rain plaza]

Naruto's passives are kinda dog ngl, they seem like a lot cuz of ninjutsu passives

Madara has his own debuff like Rukia only problem is that same debuff is dog too

[cerulean prawn]

well he was bugged

[cerulean prawn]

dont think it was ever intentional
it used to be like 400m dps, but that got patched
issue was they also did a bug fix that gave kurama crits + dmg amp

so...

[rain plaza]

I think 400m is from Pain's ability right ?

like the entire squad gets spawned from it there were no limit I think

[cerulean prawn]

it used to be that yeah, they fixed it though

[rain plaza]

16m from a single unit is A LOT, it's x3 of Ichigo's DPS, x8 of Madara's in a non ninjutsu

but it's for 30/20 seconds so idk if it's THAT op but it's still quite too strong for it to be healthy imo

[cerulean prawn]

thats not where the 16m dps comes from

[rain plaza]

and my testing is most likely inexact cuz there was rukia in the way and stuff

[vernal kettle]

vsjw?

[cerulean prawn]

he had 16m before the 400m pain nerf, the nerf only impacted the 400m

[rain plaza]

he still has 16m e-dps

[night sequoia]

i mean, the main focus of the naruto team is ninjutsu so makes sense his passives are related to it in some part

[rain plaza]

yea

[cerulean prawn]

yeah thats what i said

[rain plaza]

ngl now I've tested it a bit idk what to think about Naruto's powercreep/dps

he's still way too strong but cuz it's from an abilty eeeh idk if it's THAT op

[vernal kettle]

The pirate team is coming back

[rain plaza]

he's not as consitent as Ichigo for exemple

[cerulean prawn]

it is that op considering you can get it outside of that ability with pain and his passives

[rain plaza]

yea that is way too dumb tho

[cerulean prawn]

ichigo isnt consistent at all lol

[shut roost]

u can literally be in it 24/7 with pain

[rain plaza]

tbh the main problem isn't naruto's ability by itself, it's the nose + pain combo

[cerulean prawn]

yeah ig

[rain plaza]

how did ts go trough testing and not get nerfed after release

[vernal kettle]

We only nerf people name that starts with L and wear pink

[cerulean prawn]

its intentional atp

iirc they said that because naruto is manual its fair

[rain plaza]

worst statement ever

[vernal kettle]

Kaido will fix the powercreep

[cerulean prawn]

"if kaido is the only unit on the map, gains +3000% damage"

in a 1 on 1 always bet on kaido (unless its against anyone actually strong)

[rain plaza]

kaido jump rope

Isn't it a bit early for g5 luffy vanguard tho ?

[shell whale]

The problem is naruto being 90% of the ninjutsu team's damage and the distribution of dps being god awful

[rain plaza]

permanent or temp vanguard it seems way too early

[shell whale]

In all honesty ninjutsu team already lost insane value off no the ainz ghost fix and minato fix, it's already past it's glory days.

[night sequoia]

yea it is lol

[night sequoia]

what minato fix

[shell whale]

used to get 50% overhead per naruto/naruto clone

[rain plaza]

like yea it's hype and all but if we follow the patterns rn the next update we're getting is a .0 wich means it's going to be based around a single anime

[shell whale]

instead of a one time 50%

[rain plaza]

maybe they're hyping us up 2 upds ahead

[shell whale]

vanguard double evo updates are always based on a single anime anyway

[rain plaza]

(not most of the .5 updates being better and more hyped than .0 updates lmao)

[night sequoia]

dont worry, the next updates are just build up

[shell whale]

the game was at 10k ccu before this update so they needed something hype, and g5 meets the criteria

[vernal kettle]

build a one piece team

[rain plaza]

kinda funny most .5 are better than .0 updates since a good bit of time now

[rain plaza]

I alr have monarch gear 4th luffy twin 🥹

and monarch WB (THE ONE PIECE IS REAL)

wait I don't have shiny tho

I mean I already "completed" this update (AKA getting monarch + divinity on the good units)

skipping naruto units was a good thing for my RR finance ngl

[rain plaza]

(I also tough the units were dog lol but they really WERE NOT)

I just saw the ninjutsu mechanic and tough it would be another AOT update, it wasn't, wasn't at all

I think I yapped a bit too much

[shut roost]

ur dumb icl

people who thought they were bad genuinley didnt use them and heard it from someone else

[digital flame]

aot sucked 🤣🤣🤣

[whole fossil]

It's been a thing since the Cid update

[queen otter]

the last .5 update that wasnt a vanguard was op no?

kinda sad that we barely have these non vanguard upds tbh

[rain plaza]

ichigo

[queen otter]

oh true

[rain plaza]

one piece was .0

[queen otter]

wait no im still right

non vanguard <----

[rain plaza]

yea there's too much vanguards being released and their quality is kinda bad ngl

[rain plaza]

gameplay wise the last unit like SJW is Kurumi, a secret 😭

[queen otter]

so yeah the last non vanguard .5 update that we had was cid

thats a LOOONG time

[cerulean prawn]

it doesnt really matter bro

[granite bison]

I feel like this is just a matter of people seeing characters get stuff and their favorite not get the same treatment or setting some characters with things that other don’t have set the precedent that every character needs to have a billion gimmick and insane support abilities with stupid damage numbers that start puttin us in als numbers. No hate but this is just a dry period of the game and it’s not really something to complain about

[cerulean prawn]

yeah its not at its peak but its still multiple times better than any other unit lol

[whole fossil]

There was a Minato fix?

[cerulean prawn]

read this again

ts a conflicting statement yo 😭

[granite bison]

No it isn’t

[cerulean prawn]

people obviously dont want the game to be dry and therefore are complaining because it is
do you want them to just stay silent and pretend like its fine when even you admitted its dry

[granite bison]

Dry period, not really something to complain about. Let them pick it back up after the obvious burn out from the other updates

[cerulean prawn]

hey kurumi is peak

[granite bison]

Yall love to bitch and whine about every update that comes out, it’s genuinely insane how yall cannot be satisfied with anything you get and these suggestions are proof of it 😭🙏

[queen otter]

then why dont they do a normal .5 update instead of doing the usual

[buoyant ice]

I just want my cosmetics to be fixed man

[whole fossil]

It's the devs trying to appeal to everybody, especially beginner players for some reason

[granite bison]

Which isn’t really working because funny enough the new players are the problem

[queen otter]

they dont need to add a new vanguard every .5

[severe briar]

And add what? Just 4 new units no new game mode?

[granite bison]

Yeah no clue why it’s every .5 not every other .0 or just a .0 to begin with

[queen otter]

not every update has to be something new they did this with fate and it was lowk fine

[severe briar]

fate introduced wl and new shops

[granite bison]

Honestly I liked what they did back when they came out with the steel ball run update and all that

[severe briar]

unless you mean saber one

[queen otter]

salter

[granite bison]

I think small lil content adds with characters people want work just as well as huge updates with one big ip being the headline

[severe briar]

I better not see you in this type of suggestion asking oh why didn’t they add anything interesting or anything at all

if they were to go that pathway

[granite bison]

But we’re kinda in a wait till the next big update drops with so and so ip with these characters and the expectations are higher because of what is being added or how it’s hyped

Wasn’t a problem with the smaller updates

[cerulean prawn]

thats fair too, i feel like people were a bit disappointed in madara tho

not because he wasnt > naruto (although thats apart of it) but because it felt like they put wayyy more effort into odyssey lol

which im pretty sure they did

[granite bison]

They did, and that’s perfectly fine. I think that they should’ve just taken more time and explained to people why to work on everything else

That way it would’ve come off more polished and felt like a proper addition besides odyssey

[rain plaza]

Kurumi is a peak unit ngl tho haven't watch Date a Live cannot tell if it's a peak character (prob gonna watch once I finish black clover)

[buoyant ice]

The reason people are dissapointed in Madara, is because in the show he is literally the coolest character and so badass

he kinda is laster

[granite bison]

Mostly just apart of the other issue with this game is fan expectation, people get way too excited for things and try to make it either way too complex or way too broken and it sets the precedent really high

[buoyant ice]

tbh he is somewhat boring, passives are interesting, but he isnt a unit that is cool, only thing that carries it, is the cool models thats all

[granite bison]

That being said, I was hype when Vash came to the game and I’m honestly satisfied with his design despite it being on a not so good update

[cerulean prawn]

date a live was interesting imo, but shes definitely the best part of it

[cerulean prawn]

i mean yeah vash is rly good

best ET unit even including naruto

[granite bison]

Still proud I predicted them comin to the game 🙏

[cerulean prawn]

well yeah they've sort of been hyping madara since release with him being the reroll npc

[rain plaza]

just I wanna know something first is the end anything similar to CSM's ending bullshit

[cerulean prawn]

nah its not that bad lol

[granite bison]

I think that’s another huge issue, was the whole making Madara the reroll npc and releasing Naruto characters but not Madara so they hype builds up a lot

[whole fossil]

Madara shouldve been a Secret if those were the passives they wanted to make

[rain plaza]

but like is it kinda weird like CSM or it's smth simple such as like DBZ's ending

[cerulean prawn]

js watch the show and you'll see
y would i spoil the ending

[rain plaza]

I fear shitty ends since the CSM incident

[queen otter]

does the ending of a show really change your feelings for the show overall

[rain plaza]

kinda

[queen otter]

csm in its entirety is fine for me and i really couldnt care abt the ending

[rain plaza]

I understand ppl saying CSM ending isn't THAT bad but saying it's good is a whole other story

[granite bison]

Depends on the series. Some endings give insight on the entirety of a series.If you don’t like the ending you probably won’t like the series

However the downside is there might be characters you could end up liking or some parts of writing that could be good in your opinion so then it becomes a matter of just seeing for yourself and not liking the ending regardless

[lone mango]

Fuck controllable units bro

They such a horrid concept

They’re cool as a gimmick once or twice and then never actually used again

[rain plaza]

true

they're also always terrible balancing wise for sum reason

like braindead op type of balancing problem

[lone mango]

Because you have to make them strong if you want any hope of them actually being used more than the first time

[rain plaza]

hope they never release one again once naruto gets completly out of meta

[lone mango]

They will

[rain plaza]

in like what 2 years from now considering how forgotten this unit archetype is in tower defense games

[lone mango]

Nah, I got a feeling it'll happen again by the end of the year

[rain plaza]

eeeh idk the only other contrallable in the game is Armin

[sick carbon]

People don't hate armin

[rain plaza]

armin is cool but like the AOT update isn't the most hyped one

[sick carbon]

Hes a manual unit implemented decently enough

[rain plaza]

I think most players don't know about armin being a controllable

[shut roost]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[rain plaza]

considering the lack of hype around AOT update

[shut roost]

arent even fun to use either

[rain plaza]

yea cuz you just kinda walk

[sick carbon]

Just horribly designed units

Didn't powercreep anything for casuals but ruined comp play

So no one was bothered to get them but if you played tourneys and such u were forced to run them

Every time

To the point where it was just exhausting

[rain plaza]

was gonna say idk if he's bad powercreep wise 😭

[lone mango]

Because armin is also just not really used for the controllable thing

[rain plaza]

man controllable units are such a bane for balancing

[lone mango]

If Naruto's wasn't nearly as strong, he wouldn't get the hate and neither would kurama

[shell whale]

He's basically not used at all period

[sick carbon]

That's because it was made really expensive but people found it a cool mechanic, and tbf it's also like you're using this ONCE the whole match so ur not really tired of it

[lone mango]

but it still wouldn't be used much

[sick carbon]

Naruto is constant

Always on

Always there

[shut roost]

naruto shouldve been designed around his clones

[shell whale]

Naruto is like the worst way to balance a category based team

[shut roost]

yknow thee thing he uses in every singlee fight

[rain plaza]

thank you nose familiar and pain, truly the bane of this game's powercreep comboed with naruto

[shell whale]

You know its chopped as shit when using a dps unit other than naruto on the team on average brings your dps down

[rain plaza]

the worst is the update after they did a clone based unit (kurumi)😭

[sick carbon]

A whole other ninjutsu designed unit aswell

[shut roost]

[shell whale]

Take this away and ninjutsu team is legit nothing mate this is all they even got anymore

[shut roost]

i feel like the devs didnt even watch naruto

[sick carbon]

Watching it is irrelevant

[shell whale]

Yeah we should all just larp.

[shut roost]

they really just gave naruto random bullshit in his passives

[rain plaza]

Minato is well done
Sasuke too
Naruto,Pain and Madara tho....

[sick carbon]

Valk didn't watch data a live but no one complains about kurumis unit design, they actually like it

[shell whale]

Naruto is just annoying to use

Not to mention having to look at dumbass furry kurama all game definitely isn't a great experience

[shut roost]

at least u can disable it

[sick carbon]

You're still forced to hear those slashes but ig u can turn them off too

[rain plaza]

Naruto is based around you transforming into Kuruma wich isn't his main way of fighting
Pain doesn't have the rinnegan, 6 path clones and SHINRA TENSEI LIKE SHOWN IN THE TRAILER
Madara is literally the point of this post

[sick carbon]

Idk idm pain

[shell whale]

Well most people already formed their opinions around this shit before this was a thing so too little too late

[shut roost]

im fine with pain

[sick carbon]

Chill on big P mate

[rain plaza]

I mean they showed the trailer of pain doing shinra tensei for it to not to be in his kit

[shell whale]

Pain is fine it's just his interaction with naruto

[shut roost]

hes the only one i fw and minato ig

[sick carbon]

Aura and hype

[shell whale]

They also kinda just didnt show this it was just bait

[rain plaza]

son

shinra tensei is THE pain thing and it's not in his kit

[sick carbon]

Also this thread isn't going anywhere its just general 3, the actual main post doesn't tackle down any points well enough or explain what to do to improve the situation well either

Even though I do at some extend I agree with it, it was a horribly made post

[shut roost]

truee

[rain plaza]

like Pain's overall kit suffers from the ninjutsu mechanic (centered around being a ninjutsu buffer rather than it's own individual unit)

[shell whale]

The suggestion is legit just a nothing burger lmao

[sick carbon]

Bro ong

😭

[shell whale]

Just ranting

[rain plaza]

and nose working too well on him

[sick carbon]

If you actually care enough about this suggestion I recommend not talking underneath it and instead making your own

With actual points

Tackling down the situation and errors

[digital flame]

just make them synergize with the actual unit itself instead of it being independent of the unit like naruto's kurama is
like kurama could just not exist and his kit would barely change
one of the ideas i had was that you use the controlling unit to boost the unit itself instead of the ability being the main interest

[digital flame]

this is gen3 🤣🤣🤣

[rain plaza]

my lvl is too low man

[sick carbon]

What's suggestion req again

25?

[shell whale]

And make them not just "hold down m1" mayhaps

[sick carbon]

I think it got bumped to thaf

I genuinely don't see the point

Like are people supposed to be more intellectual the higher av cord level is

[lone mango]

this is just the average suggestion post

[rain plaza]

tough it was 20 dawg

and ofc the only place I yap at doesn't give XP (I think)

[lone mango]

The req is more to weed out being constantly flooded with a lot more low effort/ragebait posts

[sick carbon]

I think it does?

[gleaming raptor]

makes it a lil less dumb shitpost and more suggestions with actual thoughts
doesnt make them any less bad but it does make suggestions a lil more bearable

[sick carbon]

If you're going to ignore the bad ones just ignore them anyway

[digital flame]

No

[sick carbon]

I see seilorenso answering basically most of the ones that have some sense in them

[digital flame]

its genuinely just wrong the limit should be 15

[rain plaza]

yea I totally agree (says the lvl 15)

[digital flame]

Even lvl 100s got sum pretty silly people
"Abilities for the player" 🤣🤣

[sick carbon]

Yeah I do agree with the less shitpost but that's literally because when u jump from level 15 to 25 let's say in req you just killed off about 70% people basically, the posts being more thoughtful I don't agree at all

Just look at this one

[lone mango]

They already do

[sick carbon]

Its just stuff wrote on the screen they're not saying anything

Chucked in a picture of the TL showing madaras placements and called it a day

[digital flame]

LOL

[gleaming raptor]

i mean like the person at least formed somewhat of a thought
alot better than a suggestion that just says "buff madara hes shit" then posts some random dumbass image with it

[shell whale]

Madara has aura and hes not top 1 mate.

[sick carbon]

🥶

[digital flame]

i agree this suggestions pretty poor

[sick carbon]

Let me double check but I do think it's 25

[rain plaza]

not everyone is good at editing (I can assure you if I were to made post on this channel there would be no image or sum BS that's looks trash)

[digital flame]

iirc its 20 last time i heard

either way its the same, shouldve been kept at 10-15

sure they culled out a lot of nonsense but their game literally caters to newer players

[sick carbon]

Nvm I'm never finding this message

[hybrid cobalt]

Suggestions req?

It's 20

[sick carbon]

Can u mention the role rq

Wana see how many pol have it

[rain plaza]

it's 20

[hybrid cobalt]

<@&1222687664009121874>

[sick carbon]

Do level 15 role now

[rain plaza]

hey that me

[sick carbon]

4600

[hybrid cobalt]

<@&1222687664965292113>

[sick carbon]

Level 20s

9400

Veterans

[hybrid cobalt]

People with master keep the veteran role

[sick carbon]

That's still like 4800 people

[hybrid cobalt]

Yep

[sick carbon]

More than the current amount that can post

[hybrid cobalt]

[sick carbon]

[granite pulsar]

are we increasing the lvl requirements again

[rain plaza]

[granite pulsar]

shit my bad nether

wrong reply

[sick carbon]

What makes u think this bro

[granite pulsar]

i just saw 25 and jump to it

[rain plaza]

nah it's still 20

you can check in #「📠」information

[sick carbon]

Someone that cares enough should re make this suggestion

[digital flame]

I actually almost made one

[granite pulsar]

will they even change madara even if i did ;-;

[digital flame]

Genuinely wrote like 2000 words

[rain plaza]

tbh I was thinking about making a suggestion to nerf Naruto but it's 3 weeks late now

[sick carbon]

Who knows

But I can tell u this one ain't going anywhere

[digital flame]

At night for like 2 hours and then i gave up maybe ill pick it up again

[granite pulsar]

factsss

[sick carbon]

[rain plaza]

but maybe like im gonna make a suggestion (If i get lvl 20) asking to NEVER have this much powercreep and also ask for better vanguards passives

[digital flame]

What was the point of this suggestion anyways was it balancing or unit design its just gen 3 atp

[queen otter]

vanguard unit designs

[sick carbon]

Idk man dude said some random shit then followed it up with how madara isn't in his edo form so his passives are all wrong

[granite pulsar]

how new vanguards are trash

[gleaming raptor]

It was unit bad, make good unit

[digital flame]

Oh yeahI was gonna make a suggestion talking about unit design after i made my own madara rework

[lone mango]

bro how dare you ping me

[digital flame]

Madara is impossible to makev they should've given up

[sick carbon]

Nether chill on them

Too much pressure

[lone mango]

[rain plaza]

all you have to do is just rewatch the war arc or smth

[gleaming raptor]

Part of the suggestion was also fuck powercreep, madara should been stronger than naruto

[sick carbon]

Chopped cheese

[granite pulsar]

Aight bro. all we need is max hp dmg and execute at 20% health.

[digital flame]

His abilities are all over the place and difficult to translate into the game

[lone mango]

TRUE

[granite pulsar]

then AV will be complete

[sick carbon]

Give it to naruto only though

[digital flame]

Not an excuse for madara to be boring though, they were just lazy

[shut roost]

i mean i would but it wouldnt rlly do anything

[digital flame]

✅✅

[rain plaza]

they could've done something similar to doomslayer

[shut roost]

since tehey arent gonna change madara

[digital flame]

✅✅✅

[digital flame]

Doomslayer was og kurama lowk
And doomslayer had aura

[sick carbon]

Don't have to change madara, even a naruto nerf goes long ways

[rain plaza]

cuz of how bad the ninjutsu mechanic is (thanks pain) no matter what he'd be a Naruto team upscale

[granite pulsar]

Nah give it to Oryo, the way he found a fucking relic that can kill Yhwach

[shut roost]

yeah and i doubt that will happen

[granite pulsar]

Deus ex Machina type shit

[hybrid cobalt]

I'd like to keep my OP units easy to get

Thanks

[rain plaza]

son

WE yes WE all want a SJW quest v2 for gear 5 luffy

[gleaming raptor]

Vanguard crossover quest with all atds, gotta play them all to get thr vanguard

[granite pulsar]

50rr daily in mailbox

[rain plaza]

I am NOT laying my hands on any other TD, gimme a 50 hours quest and I fw it

[granite pulsar]

legit mailbox is dead

[shut roost]

i mean there wasnt really a reason to use it

idk why they even added it

[granite pulsar]

why even introduce it

[rain plaza]

apparently they plan to make an in-game poll system

[gleaming raptor]

Cuz it was meant to work but didn't
And I think fixing it requires remaking it

[rain plaza]

I remember seeing this once idk tho im unsure

[granite pulsar]

the last time they did something to mailbox was the day the infinite rr and alottavisit occured

[shut roost]

just use game polls tf

[rain plaza]

not everyone is in the discord

[shut roost]

also bots

[rain plaza]

can't you also bot discord ?

[shut roost]

yea but roblox is 20x easier

[rain plaza]

yea I guess

I really hope next few updates will save the powercreep and not ramp up as much as Naruto + Pain combo

[cerulean prawn]

thing is people will complain so much if g5 isnt a lot better than naruto lol

[granite pulsar]

but to be fair, people will complain if theres powercreep or no powercreep

there's no winning

[cerulean prawn]

yeah

[rain plaza]

powercreep is ok, but it's bad when it's overdone

[cedar orchid]

i am here.

[rain plaza]

omg all might

[halcyon socket]

What is left is to let upd units slowly reach naruto dps

Both outcomes of either nerfing naruto and pain or ramp up g5 abruptely are gonna be worse

[shell whale]

I think people grossly overestimate how much dps ninjutsu team is doing rn

[sick carbon]

I think people grossly overestimate how much dps ninjutsu team is doing rn

[pastel seal]

yeah it only does 40 mil dps 😂✌️

[pastel seal]

i mean he IS a vanguard

[sick carbon]

remove 17 million from this

[pastel seal]

u arent caught up dw

[sick carbon]

nephew

[pastel seal]

@sick carbon were u the one who said madara was going to be a whole new tier on the tierlist

[sick carbon]

i pre fired it when pyspeh mentioned madara would be better than naruto

madara never lived up to this

[whole fossil]

except Naruto is like the only unit that genuinely deserves to be in a "broken" tier

[pastel seal]

ichigo and ainz too

but this dumbass community isnt ready for that convo

[sick carbon]

then it isnt broken tier is it mate

[whole fossil]

Ichigo yeah, Ainz no (outside of tournaments)

[pastel seal]

it is

[sick carbon]

you genuinely think ichigo and ainz are gapping every other unit

😭

[pastel seal]

yes

[sick carbon]

then youre tweaking

[pastel seal]

ainz ichigo naruto name 1 char near them

[sick carbon]

stop sneaking ainz and ichigo into the convo

[whole fossil]

just Naruto and maybe Ichigo

[sick carbon]

ainz lit became a deadbeat after the pain ghost change

whyre u glazing this unit

[pastel seal]

if the comp scene wasn't dead ppl would know...

[pastel seal]

its just a net positive

[sick carbon]

yeah by 5%, used to be like 80 or 100 before

[pastel seal]

its like adding a 7th unit slot but only ainz can be placed in it
whats the best team guys

[sick carbon]

you remove him u loose basically nothing

u bring him u gain a little small thing

[pastel seal]

u lose that 5%

[sick carbon]

yeah so he isnt gapping anyone bro

[pastel seal]

thats the point, no other TD in the platform would do that

[pastel seal]

but he is, being required on EVERY team is a gap

[digital flame]

hes not required on every team tho

[pastel seal]

ANYWAYS as i was saying on update; midara is mid

[sick carbon]

required is a big word bro

youre saying

if u remove him

you lose out on like

200% performance

yk which unit does actually do this

naruto

[pastel seal]

if u remove him your team becomes weaker

[digital flame]

he kinda sucks to play wiht because you cant replace units down

if you can use ainz then maybe u didnt need him because the stage wasnt hard enough

[pastel seal]

im just saying if ur min maxing

ainz will ALWAYS be on ur team

theres a reason they keep making it element based

[digital flame]

whats element based

[whole fossil]

Caloric Stone is not needed for like 99% of this games content

[pastel seal]

everything competitive

[digital flame]

that goes for everything

[sick carbon]

whats competitive

[pastel seal]

tournaments tower

[sick carbon]

nothing is competetive other than guild boss and tourneys

tower is lit nothing

[digital flame]

its just tourneys

[sick carbon]

skill tree

killed tower

nothing about tower is comp

[pastel seal]

wl got removed even though it was the best comp this game ever had

[digital flame]

dont be throwing in towers yo 😭 towers are dead

[sick carbon]

wl would just be some bs now bro

everyone and their dad is free to max

[digital flame]

✅

[whole fossil]

what did they gain from removing worldlines leaderboard

[sick carbon]

aura and hype moments

[digital flame]

a lot of community flak andthe ability to not balance their units

[pastel seal]

im just saying backw hen it was actually competitive

[pastel seal]

they made the most annoying community to quit

[sick carbon]

it was to focus more time on other parts of the game, and also thanks to the removal they could be more carefree of unit designs

[whole fossil]

weren't like almost all the bugs from leaderboards from infinite

[pastel seal]

every WL season, the community found new bugs to abuse

[digital flame]

yeah now the devs make the bugs

wait they always do that was a stupid thing to say my bad

[gleaming raptor]

😭

[pastel seal]

what does this even mean

[digital flame]

av devs cooking up straight poison

[sick carbon]

did u not read ayaanics original suggestion

[pastel seal]

no

[pastel seal]

i quit before WL lb was removed

they always gatekept the bugs from me and i always lost my #1 spot

[sick carbon]

ill honestly stand by the fact that towers were killed for no reason

idt anyone is playing them even after the skill tree addition

[digital flame]

literally et was fine and they just removed it

well not fine but it was the only endgame content and it makes no sense to kill it

[sick carbon]

theres quite litteraly 0 places to showcase a team anymore

why do u need a team

[pastel seal]

there is

[sick carbon]

where bro

[digital flame]

this fella bouta say tourney or something

[sick carbon]

sand village act 3?

[pastel seal]

sandbox 4000x hp vegeta

[sick carbon]

aight bro

💀

[pastel seal]

wat?

[digital flame]

broski they KILL the 99999x vegeta

[pastel seal]

the game lost its comp like 3 months ago

[sick carbon]

thats genuinely just some bs metric of test man

[pastel seal]

u didnt neeed a min max team ever since WL got axed

[sick carbon]

jumping into omni 100+ and showing how the team performs was actually somewhat cool

[pastel seal]

its ok

[whole fossil]

can't you just not spec into skill trees and just do that

[sick carbon]

whats the point

[digital flame]

...

[sick carbon]

the tree is there

[pastel seal]

yes

[pastel seal]

WELL WELL WELL THIS ALL COMES BACK TO MY SUGGESTION ABOUT EXCLUSIVITY

[sick carbon]

you could just put shit on ur screen and hit floor 200

[pastel seal]

WE NEED HARD STAGES AND UNITS LOCKED BEHIND STAGES!!! LET THE COMMMUNITY COMPLAIN!!

[sick carbon]

thanks to skill tree

[whole fossil]

-# also why did this game go to dokkan battle school for designing skill trees

[sick carbon]

skill tree is cool but its just so overdone imo

[pastel seal]

skill tree shoud've been global and nerfed

[whole fossil]

give me some borderlands type skill trees or smth

[sick carbon]

bro it could be anything just not what it is rn

[sick carbon]

idk about global but nerfed fs

[pastel seal]

global.

[whole fossil]

Honestly the reroll map feature an even bigger sin than skill trees

[sick carbon]

ginyu deadass a random now yeah

😭

aint nobody care about bro

[whole fossil]

literall map reroll bait

[cerulean prawn]

no

its js boring
they didnt make it interesting they just made it easier, which wasnt really the problem with them

[halcyon socket]

Yeah...

Playing some elements was really fun before the update

Holy was actually challenging. Now with the range keystone is just a joke?

The only thing needed was the dmg one to give your units monarch so people can do ALL the elements without spending too much rr

[onyx steppe]

aye don’t diss my post but yea It’s just my rant, even if y’all say it’s “poorly made” I didn’t expect it to blow up like this, I’m having life so I’m sorry if it’s “poorly made” it’s just happened these nerds thinking the same way and adding more so I just let them🤷🏻

[drifting elk]

Made passives for 10 tails madara if we ever get him

1-any allied unit will be immune to debuffs and status effects and will be shielded by a truth seeking orb
2-chakara arms: obito will have chakara red chakara on his back which will form chakara arms and swipe at enemies repulsing them every 4th attack
3-each 10 seconds if a attack isnt landed truth seeking orbs dmg will be increase by 10% for example if 20 seconds pass its (170% dmg )
4-this unit can no longer be applied to the ninjutsu mechanic

[granite pulsar]

[drifting elk]

Active ability:Truth seeking orbs they would basically spawn around madara each 5 attacks madara would send out a truth seeking orb deal 150%% of his dmg in a line aoe ( cant be used at the same time as limbo clones)

Active ability:limbo clones would nerf madaras dmg by 20% per clone (4 max clones) but in exchange they can be place anywhere on the map letting you attack pretty much anywhere (the clones cant use the abilities)

Active ability:infinite tsukuyomi goes into a cutscene snd stuns all enemies around the map by 30 seconds (1 time use) and it will also change the sky for the entire game and make the moon a sharingan (just like griffith)

When he goes into his 10 tails form he will become a duo vanguard 10 tails obito and madara kinda like sung jin woo and igris also his lightning ability could be change into his basic attack

[cerulean prawn]

we're never getting another madara

[drifting elk]

How does he have a madara pfp and say we will never get 10 tails madara

[cerulean prawn]

thats what the devs told him

[drifting elk]

Dang

[drifting elk]

Man i dont know why no roblox game does 10 tails madara

[gleaming raptor]

i dont think any dev actually told him that

just assumption

[lone mango]

Actually I told him

[buoyant thicket]

Waste of potential imo

[digital flame]

LOL

Poorly made post… but its still goated
Turned into gen 3
I mean there’s been some conducive talk in here

[drifting elk]

Wait fr?

[lone mango]

Yes definitely

I am secret dev

I said no more madara

[sand holly]

ye nether is actually av's ghostwriter

[delicate flax]

they should stop releasing vangurds every 2 updates

[sand holly]

what why? 😭

[digital flame]

cause madara blows

if they are creatively exhausted then they should just give up... is probably the thought process

[sand holly]

#1255566253683380348 exists

[digital flame]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

ur funny they will never touch that channel they probably dont even have it in their channel list

and i would know since i wasted far too many hours making stuff
actually im still making stuff i really wanna perfect my madara rework

[sand holly]

if they really that exhausted and dont wanna touch stage suggestions they should just take a break

[digital flame]

money doesnt make itself

this games a business not a passion project and its been like that for a while

[sand holly]

people gonna be paying and playing regardless of how long it takes them to update the game

[digital flame]

yeah but it wont be enough

3 weeks is already insanely long for ATDs but it's backed up by AV's quality... or something like that

[sand holly]

av is one of the highest earning games on the platform 🥲 i think they can afford to take a break

[digital flame]

oh damn i didnt know they were like that

but yknow
theres more money to be made

[sand holly]

theres more money to be made if taking a break means they can make higher quality content

[digital flame]

also just to get back to this with a serious response
they have said that "stage suggestions are more of a sandbox but they are too op" and thats why they dont check them out
when they are the people making naruto lol

[sand holly]

though ig higher quality doesn't guarantee success

[digital flame]

fun guarantees success

something anything to reel in new players since thats where the money is at

[sand holly]

im aware, valk has said a while ago that he's only ever used stage suggestions once and it was for wou iirc

[lone mango]

They're highest earning, but they also spend a shit ton too.

[digital flame]

they shouldve made slime rng

[fiery ocean]

if AV makes their own sols rng and grow a garden they’ll make a billion dollars

[lone mango]

grow a trait

[granite pulsar]

nah we need lootboxes

[onyx steppe]

true

[digital flame]

#1255566253683380348 has some good stuff in there its just that its too sparse to actually care about

i got some zingers though devs hmu 👽

[granite pulsar]

its practically being ran by the same 4-5 ppl

🔥

[digital flame]

yep

zashuuu

maru axo and thats it

[north salmon]

Av Dev's like bleach more ong

[granite pulsar]

you also

[digital flame]

i dont post enough

[granite pulsar]

i saw u on a streak once so yes

[digital flame]

true i used to post before but im still working on the same stuff

im literally still working on this madara rework thing

[granite pulsar]

no ones reworking madara gng XD

[digital flame]

true madara is doomewd

i just wanna show that they couldve done it better but they didnt

[granite pulsar]

thats why u rant about it by making a new suggestion here and propose what couldve been done better

not in some backwater like #1255566253683380348

[digital flame]

yeah im probably gonna do that

[digital flame]

"backwater" 😭 LOLLL

best description of it

[green comet]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-megumi-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-zackypuss-gif-2508211957664829854

[digital flame]

https://tenor.com/view/2slimey-underground-cityboys-music-video-funny-gif-11617636840465705818

[green comet]

yo what the hell you appeared like

nearly instant

[digital flame]

i see da ping

[green comet]

oh well i might stop posting suggestions soon anyways

[digital flame]

🤣

[queen otter]

whats the point of having stage suggestions if they are never going to check either way

[digital flame]

for fun

[queen otter]

i guess

[digital flame]

its kinda fun making stuff that isnt soulless slop made for idiot new players

[green comet]

yuuma can you eat my plate i’m too lazy to clean it

[digital flame]

or maybe it is soulless slop made for idiot new players, its just fun to imagine units in a game that didnt chase money all day and ignore everything else

[queen otter]

couldnt they just idk change some of the passives if they seem to be too strong?

[digital flame]

no vro the new players love it

and thats all that matters like the people who actually care about the game dont make the game money

just gotta sit back and relax adn watch it all go down

[drifting elk]

I just made a suggstion idea for his 10 tails form

[digital flame]

wut

[drifting elk]

When he goes into his 10 tails form he will become a duo vanguard 10 tails obito and madara kinda like sung jin woo and igris he will spawn at lvl 9 with a basic attack called (purple lightning) full aoe and then at max lvl (lvl 12) he will get another basic attack called gale style: fang of light he will shoot a laser

Active ability:Truth seeking orbs they would basically spawn around madara each 5 attacks madara would send out a truth seeking orb deal 150% of his dmg in a line aoe

Active ability:limbo clones would nerf madaras dmg by 20% per clone (4 max clones) but in exchange they can be place anywhere on the map letting you attack pretty much anywhere (the clones cant use the abilities)

Active ability:infinite tsukuyomi goes into a cutscene snd stuns all enemies around the map by 30 seconds (1 time use) and it will also change the sky for the entire game and make the moon a sharingan (just like griffith)

1-any allied unit will be immune to debuffs and status effects and will be shielded by a truth seeking orb ( you need to have truth seeking orbs equipped )
2-chakara arms: obito will have chakara red chakara on his back which will form chakara arms and swipe at enemies repulsing them every 4th attack
3-each 10 seconds if a attack isnt landed truth seeking orbs dmg will be increase by 10% for example if 20 seconds pass its (170% dmg ) cap is 300% dmg obito will also pass truth seeking orbs through his hand making them bigger and bigger
4-only 1 madara can exist

Though im ngl it seems kinda boring

[digital flame]

yeah thats all u im not gonna lie

not my vision for the unit personally

[drifting elk]

Yeah looking back at it most of it is dmg buffs

[granite pulsar]

my guy folded immidietely

[shut solar]

madara vf when?

[digital flame]

now\

[shut solar]

then tell me why when someone asked if madara would be stronger than naruto, the owner replied "he’s a vanguard bro"

[fiery ocean]

pyseph goes by they/them pronouns

[sand holly]

oh ye i remember reflecting on that after madara dropped 💀

[onyx steppe]

yea i remember ts

damn they js keep lying to us

[shell whale]

Pyseph doesn't balance anything, they either just gave an answer to the question despite not knowing how either unit worked or relayed the incorrect information they were given by the balancer

[rain plaza]

ts is all Naruto's fault and we know it 🥀

[cerulean prawn]

idk yo

[granite pulsar]

I don't think Pyseph is the one that's on balancing

[digital flame]

they all trust valk unconditionally

"ive been saying this for a while we just trust valk" - psyeph

[next zodiac]

Either Valk sucks or they really like Naruto

[rain plaza]

valk better like g5 luffy only slightly more than Naruto so we don't multiply the dps by 20 again

[fiery ocean]

and i don’t know why they do at this point 😭😭

[digital flame]

valk screwing with balancing since 9.0 (tm)

[fiery ocean]

they don’t like naruto pain still has no rinnegan

[next zodiac]

I meant ONLY Naruto

[cerulean prawn]

modeling mistake apparently

the person who made pain's model forgot it and by the time they noticed it alr got added

[granite pulsar]

so basically it didnt went through a proper approving process

[cerulean prawn]

no idea

[digital flame]

dis dude genuinely posted an ai generated stage suggestion 🤣 https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1505677940430737639

#1255566253683380348 is the greatest channel oat

[fiery ocean]

that’s actually so annoying because i liked the graphic design a bit

[granite pulsar]

Anything to win

[digital flame]

"win"

they said the passives arent ai generated so i gues sthats something

design is literally like 40% of the fun for me so its kinda unfortunate to see them use ai

[granite pulsar]

do u even draw urs?

[digital flame]

no yo

i just like putting the boxes together

im not any better 😄

[digital flame]

as in i just take images off the internet

[granite pulsar]

i draw mine ig

[digital flame]

yeah thats awesome

[granite pulsar]

my pfp is ai tho

[drifting elk]

They clearly dont like naruto look at his damn shiny “half furry half human” ahh shiny😭

[drifting elk]

😭

[lone mango]

I seriously don't get the naruto flak

[granite pulsar]

New gens dont like it, i grew up with it but i wouldn't watch a series like that tday

But to be fair i dont even watch anime these days

[lone mango]

I genuinely think the design is a cool looking concept, especially just as a shiny

And it's a good model at least

[digital flame]

Kurama looks tired

He looks like foxy

[lone mango]

local fox spirit looks like a fox design

more news at 11

[digital flame]

I dont remember foxy lookin like a normal fox

He looks sleepy and also hes a robot so that might be something

This th fox design u are clowning me 4 btw https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fivenightsatfreddys/images/b/bc/Foxy_Fnaf_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20210825032345

[granite pulsar]

how did we go from kurama to harharharr

[lone mango]

I mean

He looks like an anthropomorphic fox design idk what else to say

[digital flame]

Geeked vs locked in

[lone mango]

Maybe if Naruto was on all fours that sort of design would make more sense

And if AV wasn’t constantly tiptoeing around the line of DMCA and what their lawyer approves of

[digital flame]

if the kurama side looked a bit angrier it mightve been okay

like his model looks so content and happy and not present

[granite pulsar]

this just luks weird to begin with

his hands are too long to be going around on all fours

[digital flame]

yeah kurama lowkey weird

[granite pulsar]

he luks like he's doing a crab walk

[digital flame]

kurama looks so content with life

[lone mango]

It looks more like he's just kinda made peace with naruto and he's ready to go

[shell whale]

genuinely just made him a furry for what

[shell whale]

Yeah that's the issue, 1) Naruto never looks like this in the show so it's just random bs, as if his base model isn't a bad enough offender in this regard already 2) Why do we expect everyone to like a furry naruto model in the first place, like i think the dislike towards this is pretty self explanatory.

[onyx steppe]

[lone mango]

Okay and what’s wrong with him never looking like that in the show?

Fan designs of things have always existed, and this is no different a concept

[sick carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-emoji-text-text-poop-gif-2736155955127128245

[upbeat eagle]

I think the main reason is because he has a lot of other designs you could choose from instead of just doing an original fan design that’s an amalgamation

[lone mango]

I think the dislike towards it really isn’t explanatory. It’s not that egregious a “furry design”, people are genuinely just complaining to have something to complain about

As far as original fan designs go, it is not bad by any means

[upbeat eagle]

I’ll say, it’s unique I guess? It just doesn’t make sense. Naruto half Kurama with a bit of KCM on his arm is just weird

I’d like you to imagine it like making a luffy model and having half g5 half base luffy with a bit of snake man on his arm or something

[fiery ocean]

this isn’t necessarily a complaint for the shiny itself but you literally can not tell which version of naruto this is supposed to be

it was intended to be the six paths but there’s nothing about the six paths in his design

[upbeat eagle]

^

[onyx steppe]

for short it looks goofy and most ppl like flashy cool stuff

[fiery ocean]

the naruto units design wise have been confusing across the board and this doesn’t just apply to naruto

minato is supposed to be edo tensei, but he’s not
pain has no rinnegan, but he only exists because of it
naruto is supposed to be six paths, but he’s not

the themes and the design is inconsistent

and why are we doing war arc shit in the pain arc update

[upbeat eagle]

I’ll just say original fan designs like diavolo requiem is warranted because it’s an interesting concept that fits in with the story. An example you can use for Naruto is ANBU Naruto or something of the sorts. If it’s not something the community has shown interest in when regarding the anime, it should instead just be an official art design or even early concept arts for the characters.

When regarding shinies or unit designs for models

[fiery ocean]

KCR is a cool idea but i don’t think they showcased that with the unit itself unfortunately

[upbeat eagle]

^

[shell whale]

Considering it's the most memed shit about the update alongside steroids kurama, I don't think most people consider it a "not bad fan design"

You can do fan designs without making up completely random shit that doesn't fit and doesn't look good

If you likely half human half furry naruto then that's all well and good, unfortunately from the looks of it the majority of the community doesn't

[shell whale]

Shiny vegeta would be made into half great ape half regular vegeta these days

[upbeat eagle]

Honestly better than having a slightly torn up suit for his shiny 😭

[drifting elk]

It doesnt matter alot of its not the right arc and also the only characters not in the right arc are naruto and sasuke thats it and before you say minato isnt in edo tensei in that arc he was never in edo tensei in the pain arc and also for pain not have rinnegan its cause of dmca and if your wondering why madara can have it his design looks different from madara his armor looks different and so does his hair

[drifting elk]

Also about the minato design your right he is supposed to be in edo tensei i just remember the fist bumb move with naruto which he in the war arc which that was in edo tensei

[vernal kettle]

ok so why does madara have it but pain doesn’t

[drifting elk]

If pain had it he would look the same as in the anime/manga which might get the game a dmca strike which it already has 1

[normal egret]

I'm sorry but Madara looks the exact same to me

[drifting elk]

His hair covers 1 of his eyes in the anime and also in the anime there isnt fur on his armor

[fiery ocean]

multiple characters look the exact same, av was only at risk of dmca because of jjk specifically

[normal egret]

Those are very minor changes compared to everything else

The face and hair looks identical

[drifting elk]

These minor changes could stop them from taking dmca strike

[drifting elk]

Wrong hair does not look identical

[fiery ocean]

the rinnegan did not risk them of dmca you’re just making that up btw ☠️

[normal egret]

don't think it was just jjk, there were multiple units that they changed at the time

[drifting elk]

It legit would

[fiery ocean]

oh wait it was frieren as well

[drifting elk]

And also they did the same with mha they changed dekus design alot

[normal egret]

Sure, but the point is there are inconsistencies in the unit's design

[fiery ocean]

because that was when they had to start doing the dmca models

[normal egret]

they changed every unit design in anni

[drifting elk]

Like what

[fiery ocean]

but they still don’t change a lot of units designs, like rukia

[normal egret]

because it happened AFTER the DMCA strike

[drifting elk]

Your right but i havent heard of games getting a dmca strike cause of bleach

[fiery ocean]

you literally saw my point for this

[normal egret]

For me, his clothes look very similar and the face and hair are just identical 💔

[drifting elk]

Hair isnt

His hair covers his eye

[normal egret]

that's why people liked it a lot, because of how similar it is

[normal egret]

i guess bro

[drifting elk]

Actually your right about the face and clothes

Not too much about the clothes cause of the cape but the face and hair look similiar

[digital flame]

yo i forgot they plan these units out months in advance
that means that they had madara and naruto cooking up far in advance, like pre-december in advance

[lone mango]

I don't know about that far

They plan the units/updates months in advance

Not so much the kits/designs

[granite pulsar]

Ig Luffy will be Vanguard?

it def wont makes sense if it isnt

[digital flame]

yep

[digital flame]

still doesnt excuse naruto and madara from existence 😂😂 they are just that badly thought out

[digital flame]

99.999%

[digital flame]

it took me like a few days to make 3-4 whole reworks for madara’s existing kit as well as a completely overhauled and refurbished ver

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1504292693260632234

[granite pulsar]

ye no ones reworking madara twin

[digital flame]

madara will be clowned for all of eternity

[granite pulsar]

let it rest 😭

[digital flame]

ye madara is doomed

[digital flame]

had to stomp on his grave before letting him rest

just watching a video and this guy said it best “not like anything would change but you gotta let me fantasize”

fantasize about if they actually cared

[granite pulsar]

i dont think they've ever actually reworked a unit besides slapping a slop of a familiar like vfamiliar

its like putting odyssey unit cards as a familiar

doubt it would change anytime soon

[digital flame]

i know its guaranteed nothing will ever happen

[drifting elk]

Ngl looking back it ,it wasnt too bad would actually like cause like what else could i do besides dmg buffs

[light monolith]

madara is so underwhelming his passive seems so uninspired they could have at least tried to do something with clones or limbo. madara has so many abilities in the show but nah they decided to make him boring asf and a secondary option on his own team

hes just been reduced as a convinience tool to max out the ninjutsu team instead of being fucking madara uchiha the goat

[delicate flax]

facts

[drifting elk]

Fr man like legit they made most of the naruto units passives and even memorias based of ninjutsu and dmg like bro look at kaguyas memoria and look at madaras passives

And look at madaras first memoria passive like its legit “every upgrade increases the units dmg by 5% dmg” you might as well just increase madaras dmg

Like why do they wanna fumble only the naruto updates thats what i dont understand

Like im sorry but narutos shiny is really bad like insanely bad

Like do they have personal beef with naruto they cook with the bleach units and one piece units but screw up the naruto units