PLS INNOVATE VANGUARDS OR EVERY UNITS IN GENERAL MORE BETTER

[onyx steppe]

I already said this in general and I just want to speak it out more (I hope i won’t get punished from saying these) sooo hello devs did y’all fire one of a dev who was making the vanguard concept like ainz and previous? like why vanguards these days are so underwhelming it lacks gimmick and some unique ability like in the real show, it’s either when apply debuff = more dmg, sum follow ups, nuke ability, or support it’s becoming worst just like what happened to madara, like im pretty sure naruto being that broken was js accident, madara couldve gotten that spotlight, WE wouldn’t care if he do shitload of dmg cuz HE IS HIM HE IS VANGUARD bro, so much potential wasted ik some ppl are gonna flame me with “you don’t read passive” “he’s actually good” like PLEASE we shouldn’t sugarcoat it, is it because devs don’t want to put that much effort in the updates anymore cuz they don’t get paid that much like before when trait rrs are harder to get and ppl often buy them? unlike these days that rrs and mem shards are piss easy to get.

anyways I just hope luffy g5 won’t get this much dirty if he’s really coming and a vanguard.

[slim iron]

Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[onyx steppe]

one thing of it is like why is this a shiny version??? the vanguard madara we have, the abilities are from base/edo tensei madara and juubidara have different abilities and it could’ve been a thing and innovate some abilities of it like limbo shadows, the purple lightning, the “shower meteor” you name it

edit: bare minimum enjoyer ppl will say like “atleast it’s the shiny and it’s good” ichigo have 2 forms so why madara could not?

I also think the units have favoritism from devs, like why lowkey kurumi has unique abilities compared to one piece units and now naruto units…

[onyx steppe]

bump

[serene mantle]

atleast the shiny doesnt look like a dinosaur

[onyx steppe]

wym by that

[serene mantle]

shiny rukia

[onyx steppe]

a

[onyx steppe]

true it so lazy made

[digital flame]

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this was a day after update dropped by the way

of course first impressions are gonna be weird

they have said that complex units dont do well so they dont make them

aka they think we are dumb as shit

well not we
they cater to new players because that is what brings in revenue instead of players that have braind

anyways they have said that they dont wanna make “complex” units
which is insane because i think that all the other units from this update are pretty fun and unique besides madara
they just didnt fucking try on madara for some reason

[onyx steppe]

forealunium

[onyx steppe]

facts

i really wish they would make "complex" units again, cuz that was made me into av that much

[lone mango]

To be fair, the community doesn't exactly make a good case for themselves sometimes

[clever plume]

Passives in general have just got much worse in av even though they were one of the first among atds to implement it, now passives are just they do dmg they crit they followup
They don't even feel like the characters in their animes
And lets not even talk abt the nuke ability which are just one Lil clip and dmg and thats it

And now they just releasing hype characters now like g5 to pull numbers and new players which isnt wrong but don't ignore suggestions of those who been with you since the start. I just hope things get better cuz competition strong.
Utdx!

[onyx steppe]

right

what im saying

[lone mango]

I dunno about strong

Not holding my breath, but we'll see how their next update shapes out

[sleek atlas]

WE will be making a tycoon in in utd

[lone mango]

As it stands rn, I don't really think the game is allat. It's the same auto-farming kinda game, they just upgraded afk chamber into the main game

[clever plume]

Av is worse though cuz both games require auto farming but one makes it openly accessible for all players regardless of device and the other require you downloading some kind of software to do the same thing

[lone mango]

I mean, kinda? I guess? Autoplay is a lot better now and there's plans to keep improving it, but AV really doesn't require it. UTD implemented it because relic grinding is an awful slog and the low drop rate items are just the same exact farm as running autoplay in AV

They both have their ups and downs, I don't really think one's worse than the other

just different

I don't like how they handle unit stats like buff potency being a literal dead stat bloating the pool for relics or range basically being capped to about 90. Their kits are also just kinda... boring too, save for the boundless units ig

[clever plume]

Wrong! Relics are not a big issue anymore with all drop chances being 50%
And all items even units have very reasonable pity
And tbh honest personally I would take their relic system any day over av memorials which require you to spend more essence to mid max your units

[lone mango]

I... Don't get how that's wrong?

It's an opinion

[clever plume]

True but gameplay wise av is worse units feel bland compared to in utdx where every unit is somewhat unique having different mechanisms
But in av its all about dmg
Plus how you comparing getting relics to having to get farmilars and memorials to max out a units going by your logic utdx as a simpler system that just relics

[lone mango]

It doesn't matter that their drop chance is 50% (assuming you farm their appropriate stage number), you still have to farm so many of them if you want to try and get any sort of optimal relic. Because you need pieces with the right main stats, you need them to roll 5 substats from the start instead of 3-4, and you need to hope that you get at least 3 of the substat levels into a single slot. Preferrably more, but 3's about what I'd call good enough.

UTD's units don't really feel any more unique (again, with the exception of the boundless units.) Hell, the actual support units can't even make use of the only support stat in the game

[clever plume]

Sure its your opinion but your would still be wrong as relics are very easy to get and the chasing perfect substats is an option not required by anymeans its just gives end game players something to chase with to me is great also rolling substats is a thing with the easy to get relic reroll

[lone mango]

Familiars and memoria serve the same basic purpose as relics where it's not hard to get them, and it's not hard to just roll one that's good enough for the casual player that doesn't care about any optimization beyond "just have a good stat."

My only real complaint about memorias is that they're always for new units and I think that's just not good design, it squanders potential, and they've mostly just been extra buffs and bits that could've just been base kit to the new units to begin with

[lone mango]

You are just completely missing my point It has nothing to do with being right or wrong if it's an opinion. It doesn't matter if they're easy to get, the grind to get actually good ones is still "record stage replay and run for a few hours, look through and lock good ones, sell everything else"

It's still slop and boring

And even if we're looking at a purely "just get the relic and run with it" it's still a boring approach

[sleek atlas]

i would like to add that you cant farm all three pieces without one of them being a five percent chance (SL raid)

[lone mango]

Oh yeah

All the accessories are raid/virtual realm only aren't they

[sleek atlas]

also how is utd NOT all about dmg? is it because they give their bosses 200 sheilds?

[lone mango]

And then they added the stupid ass star thing for raid relics

[sleek atlas]

we dont talk abt that

[clever plume]

Not hard but it sure is a not so fun grind and a majority of players would agree
No one loves having to spend evo materials to evo a unit and its memorial not forgetting that you also have to roll the optimal trait on both which is up to change so yea way worse in utdx while perfect substats you won't is hard its not needed to keep up with a player who has them

[lone mango]

Etherealization is a pointless system. It was shit before shards, now there's so many that the star system may as well just not exist.

[lone mango]

And you won't need perfect memoria traits/stats either so what's your argument

[lone mango]

they have shields in utd?

[sleek atlas]

you dont HAVE to roll on memoria what?

[lone mango]

oh yeah, gojo boss

[clever plume]

Lol av as the same system for mythics but more useless cuz it adds no value to your units besides the minicle dmg range and spa increase

[sleek atlas]

too much sheild its literally the only thing that makes it challengeing

[lone mango]

Difference being is that ascension is a lot quicker but also not nearly as impactful

[clever plume]

Yes lol

[lone mango]

It's nice, but it's also only limited to mythics

Meanwhile in UTD you're not using a unit unless they're E6

[sleek atlas]

im not gonna argue that ascensions are good but you cant call them the same system 😭

[lone mango]

Ascensions are just a relic of the old game

There's no point to doing anything with it now

Dupe star systems suck

[sleek atlas]

and honestly ascending mythics is not like a terrible idea to give them dmg boosts

u get like a good 20k dmg

[clever plume]

They legit made it so easy since u can convert left other mythics to shard with gold so its actually a great system

[sleek atlas]

that was the point 😭 they made it so easy that it might aswell not even be there

[clever plume]

Sure but you have to GAMBLE more lol so its worse

[sleek atlas]

dont you also have to gamble for relics on utd?

relic rerolls are a thing no?

[clever plume]

Perfect relics are not possible you can only get so close to one so really it's not needed to play or use your units to thier full potential unless you love chasing perfect stats so its up to the players which I love

They don't force you to chase it like how av forces you to get the memorials every update and roll stats and traits on each and every one

[sleek atlas]

you also dont NEED to roll on your memorias tho?

also there is a very significant amount of dmg lost if ur not using relis on utd

[clever plume]

Lol then what are them shard for?

[sleek atlas]

if you want to max them out?

your units already do enough dmg with just a memoria rerolling is not needed

[sleek atlas]

each and every one is insane because why are u using mythic memorias 😭

[clever plume]

Nope nope only the main stat matters which has a cap across all the different stats if the relice lvl15 so no rng there

[clever plume]

And thats the problem with av all a unit do is dmg

Look at madara in utdx

[sleek atlas]

he was mid by the time i got to getting him so i just didnt

[clever plume]

Beautiful done with their being a chance get a boundless evo that turns him into ten tails form

[sleek atlas]

isnt it rng to get a three star secret relic?

also i can tell you for a fact sub stats matter 😭

[lone mango]

That's the problem. The system was shit from the start so they had to implement the very obvious fix and made the shards so abundant that even converting is basically pointless

You're not using a unit unless it's e6 anyways

[clever plume]

Av just slaps whatever they want on a unit like followup crits and cc together and release larp

[sleek atlas]

SO MORE GAMBLING 😭 ?

[lone mango]

mmm, I love having stacked crit chance substats

[sleek atlas]

oh wait nvm read that wrong

[clever plume]

Lol its a future evolution you

[lone mango]

build makers talking about crit dps builds and their relic setups have a grand total of 8% crit

[clever plume]

👍🏽

[sleek atlas]

wait so are you saying you would rather this madara be a secret?

[sleek atlas]

😭

[clever plume]

Lol so what? The game is a great example of a good atd
Watch how all g5 does is followup every millisecond and crit for 1 trillion dmg and have one Lil clip where he does 1000x he's dmg

[sleek atlas]

it really isnt 😭

the most innovative thing they have done since release is world bosses

everything else is just a legend stage but with like a orb you have to collect

[clever plume]

No but the way they did this madara is just wrong besides his animation he doesnt even feel like madara
He just does more dmg and thats it

[clever plume]

Boi your mouth gonna drop to the floor when they update

[lone mango]

It’s really not though. It’s barely that much different from the rest as of right now

[sleek atlas]

how do his animation not feel like madara he drops meteors and has wood jutsu

[lone mango]

World boss also sucked as a gamemode

[magic garnet]

idk about if av or UTDX is better, but lowk you are so rght about the passives being so boring , in UTDX they are even making kaido's dragon form controllable

[sleek atlas]

im not at all interesting in the astd controlling unit or the guild tycoon

[lone mango]

Who genuinely thought one unit per person was a fun idea for a forced matchmaking stage

[clever plume]

And why? Cuz you had to play with players with good matchmaking?

[magic garnet]

or the universal rarity being like BTD6 3 path updates

[lone mango]

No because the design of the boss raid was shit

[clever plume]

Lol who thought building a tycoon in a td game was fun lol

[sleek atlas]

that is lowk cool but depends on the execution

[lone mango]

????

What is bro talking about

[sleek atlas]

idk ask utd devs

[lone mango]

I’m talking about the world boss event. And how it absolutely sucked

[magic garnet]

they are making it have really big weakness agains unfavor elemtanl enemies, like being really situational and having to thing how to use them

[next zodiac]

I’m seeing a lot of recency bias for UTDX ngl. It’s a good game but people call it better when they’re doing the same thing AV was doing closer to the start of their lifespan (not exactly the same). I agree AV is making things a bit too easy but if you think about it, so is UTDX. People are exaggerating how different the two are.

[magic garnet]

the path itself can't say much bc we don't know, but in paper looks cool

[lone mango]

Also kaido’s controllable thing is going to be cool for all of two matches and then never used again

[clever plume]

Im talking about the madara event that NO ONE. Played as intended

[sleek atlas]

im waiting to see if different paths will actually want to be used or if one path will always be the best

[magic garnet]

then you want same passives like always? " damage, follow up with crit, more damage when x situation pass"

[sleek atlas]

i did?

[lone mango]

I mean a lot of people still probably played the event normal

[clever plume]

Im sure they made it so you can use him like a regular unit which we saw in the sneak

[magic garnet]

yea that's what im scared of, but lowk I belive on the devs

[lone mango]

Because doing the restart method was even less fun and if that’s how you wanted to grind the event, that was entirely your call.

[sleek atlas]

from the passive i rem on utd (sjw) isnt that what he does but he also summons?

[lone mango]

Well no shit

If he was purely controllable literally nobody would use him

[sleek atlas]

utd is also easy they just give everything 50 bajillion sheild

[magic garnet]

im not saying utd have it ,but im saying atleash they are triying different things with kaido and luffy

[sleek atlas]

i mean are they? we dont really know

[magic garnet]

kaido is going to be controllable and I guess luffy is the universal rarity unit with 3 different path so yea

[lone mango]

I’m saying that the controlling gimmick just isn’t going to do much if it’s bland and boring. It looks cool the first time or two you use it and then you just never do it again and just use Kaido normally

[clever plume]

Even if it was still 10 times better than a unit that does just dmg

[magic garnet]

atleash is a step to a different way

[lone mango]

What do you think the majority of UTD is

[sleek atlas]

controllable units have existed for a whille, the paths thing is cool like ive said

[lone mango]

What do you think the controllable unit is

“Just do damage”

[sleek atlas]

im talking abt a passive

[lone mango]

No im talking to him

[clever plume]

Yall just nit picking at problems that aren't even there when av has very big problems and thats the issue yall so proud and not willing to acknowledge that the game is going down hill so keep it up I guess. Sabotaging your self

[lone mango]

And UTD suffers from a lot of the same problems

[next zodiac]

Notice how he went back to insulting av and its players

[magic garnet]

im not saying is cool or will be used always, but is SOMETHING to play with, is a way to have a better future

[next zodiac]

I think yall got him

[lone mango]

I’m not saying AV doesn’t have flaws. I fully know that.

[clever plume]

Insult?

[magic garnet]

and yea but this one can fly and have 5 abilities

[sleek atlas]

true

[next zodiac]

Lack of a better term

[clever plume]

Sure whatever makes you sleep but you would be wrong

[lone mango]

But the UTD recency bias has been blinding lately

[sleek atlas]

why cant i craft other stones ts pmo

[lone mango]

UTD has very big problems too, it ain’t nitpicking

[clever plume]

Nah yall the blind one cuz how can you ignore av passives and the gameplay

[next zodiac]

Let’s be honest, UTD is doing almost the exact same stuff AV has done before. The new OP stuff does seem dope asf though and very unique (for a ATD)

[lone mango]

Bro just go record a legend stage replay 4head

[clever plume]

Did you watch nag recent vid about the best team in the game

[lone mango]

Because UTD is so much better in that department

[sleek atlas]

im not tryna farm a stage bro i have 30 universal and like 20 of the others

[clever plume]

And are if not equal in every other department lol they have good maps models and units vfx are good

[sleek atlas]

can i look at passive without being in game

[lone mango]

Who cares what the “best team in the game” is when you can make most any team work anyways?

[sleek atlas]

IM GONNA STOP YOU THERE LOL

[next zodiac]

The models are not AV’s fault bruh

[faint vigil]

yeah

[next zodiac]

There should be a passives tab under the character’s details

[sleek atlas]

be fr

[clever plume]

Yes lol and yall saying in blind WOW 🤣🤣🤣

[sleek atlas]

i dont see it

oh nvm it was ont he right

[lone mango]

Eh. The maps are alright. I think AVs generally look better though. The vfx are alright, but they’re always off anyways. The models yeah, because they don’t give a shit about dmca rn while AV is under contract over that stuff

[clever plume]

Beautiful model on the right idk who on the right but its alright

[lone mango]

What

[sleek atlas]

same passives btw

[next zodiac]

One of those was suppose to be left

[lone mango]

“Idk who on the right”

[sleek atlas]

support unit btw

[magic garnet]

na this is just being blind by bias bro

[lone mango]

Luffy’s face looks fucking horrifying in that model bro I’m sorry

[clever plume]

So now you know av needs to make certain changes right? Cuz utdx is just more fun gameplay wise?

[lone mango]

It’s really not

[magic garnet]

I am a UTDX fan and I can see the flaws , but what I like about UTDX is the potential it have rn with the differents things and ideas they have

[clever plume]

There goes the shamefull nit picking its a great model

[lone mango]

UTD gameplay boils down to “record stage replay, place units, turn on auto upgrade, repeat”

[sleek atlas]

ah yes my in game afk tech i havent used since yesterday

[lone mango]

The left model looks miles better and it’s a DMCA-free one at that

[clever plume]

Ehen no you i can most definitely play normally cuz the pities are good

[lone mango]

Yeah but why would I when the automation is literally right there and so much more free

[sleek atlas]

i agree amazing pities

[lone mango]

Ain’t nobody playing tears normally for a 40 pity orb they need 3 of

[next zodiac]

Yeah UTD is way too easy imo, it took me 3 days to get from nothing to having the best team in the game just from AFKing

[lone mango]

Or a 2-3 minute stage for 30-40 pities

When you can just record, replay, and relax because it’s so free

[next zodiac]

There’s a couple things I’ll give UTD over AV and that’s their trait system, Ultra Bosses and 1.5x speed

[lone mango]

Eh

[next zodiac]

Oh and world bosses are pretty cool too

[magic garnet]

The game had a revival not too much ago so not a surprise ngl, I guess they will start making difficulty stages now , I hope xd

[next zodiac]

We’ll see I guess

[sleek atlas]

whats a ultra boss

[lone mango]

The trait system is alright, but at the end of the day, it’s still “put the 0.1 on”

And they still have double traits

[magic garnet]

They somehow made a 12 player stage actually playeable , that's a archivement by itself

[next zodiac]

Yeah true but at the very least, other traits are actually useable

[lone mango]

Playable, but in the worst way imaginable

[magic garnet]

dante and vergil use dualist for example

duelist? how do you write it?

[lone mango]

Astral Vergil my beloved

[next zodiac]

It’s a game mode kind of difficult to get in to if someone doesn’t tell you how. Basically some legend stages drop keys to fight ultra bosses and they have unique mechanics and stuff like that

[sleek atlas]

yea but compared to ruler units they are pretty mdi from wht i heard

[clever plume]

Why do we even play games at that point if not to have fun so up to what you classify as fun either afk or playing the game normally

[sleek atlas]

ohhhh portals

[magic garnet]

still I prefer a that than ethereal or solar type of traits ngl 😭

[clever plume]

Less pity though its 1250 compared to ac 1500

[lone mango]

Nobody is having fun doing the same tear/legend stage 40 times manually when they just turn on auto upgrade anyways and maybe activate a couple abilities

[clever plume]

And av doesnt have the same if not worse?

[magic garnet]

I don't like to compare but atleash in UTDX have decent traits beside the 0.1 xd

[sleek atlas]

its lower by like two 😭

[next zodiac]

UTD just doesn’t feel as rewarding when “playing the game normally”. I don’t know why I just don’t get that same fulfillment

[sleek atlas]

i guess but they barely have a rr source other than codes lol

[next zodiac]

I also think people vastly overrate memorias. Did no one play HSR?

[lone mango]

They’re usable. Niche, maybe. But it’s like in AV, you could still get away with just using blitz units and stuff, the 0.1 is just miles ahead and makes the game so much easier. It’s the same in utd

[sleek atlas]

memorias are fine i only roll on the vanguard ones or if its a char i like

[lone mango]

The only thing I’ll give them is that their other traits are at least interesting

[sleek atlas]

also sub stats defo matter 😭

[next zodiac]

At least some Ninjutsu units (imo) can be used much more flexibly than others with mid traits bc of how ninjutsu works

[lone mango]

Double traits knocks like thirty points off that though

[next zodiac]

I thought adding memories was a good thing but I guess that’s a hot take to a lot of people

[clever plume]

Again that most thats just a 10percent dmg difference from regulars so idk what you saying again its a choice and perfect can be chased by those to want too

[magic garnet]

yea and they are doing more traits that are for niche things to make them more easy to get and viable, idk what but they alredy say it, I prefer atleash good different traits , beru can use literally any trait and have a minimun DPS change with the good relic combination

[lone mango]

My biggest wish for memoria would be to make them more diverse. I wish they didn’t come with new units, but I’d be fine with it if they were like rukia’s where they completely changed how you used the unit

[clever plume]

It was not lol we already had farmilars why create a separate thing to put part of a units kit on there lol
Makes no sense besides them wanting you to spend more to reroll on it

[lone mango]

I can almost guarantee you they just aren’t going to be worth over ruler

[next zodiac]

Yeah we need more universal memorias, I agree with that a lot

[sleek atlas]

its a 16% dmg boost plus a decent amount of crit they matter dude

[magic garnet]

I say the difference is minimal not if is more or less worht

[lone mango]

I wasn’t even saying that, I meant more a unit memoria that changed their kit up and how they functioned

[clever plume]

It does not most casual players not a big difference

[magic garnet]

yen wise? of course ruler but you can work with the other traits too and the DPS will not be that much different

[clever plume]

Utdx just doing things right and thats a fact

[next zodiac]

I mean HSR pretty much has the same thing. Light cones are basically things to give units extra passives. Only difference is AV makes them character specific too much which would be my one gripe with it

[lone mango]

Okay so then why do memoria traits and stats matter

[clever plume]

EXACTLY we forgetting how av as turned into a monarch fest now lol

[sleek atlas]

day ruined

[lone mango]

I don’t mind the character specific thing as long as it’s not just “get a little extra buff when doing this thing they already do”

[next zodiac]

Also true, not denying they’re making good moves rn. I’m just saying the hate for AV is crazy. Criticism is valid, but just calling it trash is wrong

[sleek atlas]

utd has too tho? the units that want other traits arent nearly as good as ruler units

[next zodiac]

Yeah true

[clever plume]

Its legit necessary the same way stats and traits are needed for units

[lone mango]

Ruler is always just going to be the best trait unless it’s a support character

[exotic sky]

man who care abt this its a sick shiny

[sleek atlas]

no they arent what?

[next zodiac]

Ong lol

[lone mango]

Not for memoria gang, the traits are not that necessary to roll deep on

[magic garnet]

and we forget things like in UTDX poseidon best trait is Sacred not ruler, vergil and dante is duelist, jingliu is eternal

[next zodiac]

Getting divinity on a memoria is NOT needed

[clever plume]

Not as good yes but mostly definitely viable look at the tierlist look at Dante or posedion or vergil all good chara6who don't require ruler

[lone mango]

It doesn’t affect most casual players

It’s not that big a difference

[exotic sky]

yea just get joa or div and its chill

[sleek atlas]

yea but the ruler char outclass them easily 😭

[clever plume]

Bro knows ball omg an actual honest individual

[next zodiac]

I like settling for Jack of all bc of that cost reduction

[sleek atlas]

you dont even need a trait tho

[lone mango]

I don’t even know if Dante and Vergil work best with duelist, ruler probably has just as much argument

[exotic sky]

joa is good cuz it provides the stat bonus on top of making the unit 10% cheaper. that, or the memoria gets a crazy stat boost with div, but you're right. a trait is not really needed

[clever plume]

Lol NO? Who told you that have you even tested that how yourself bro just spreading false facts

[lone mango]

Because you can easily supplement crit with relics and fern

[next zodiac]

Dante’s best trait is astral is it not?

[magic garnet]

literally before rework Ace was TOP meta unit with astral

[clever plume]

Fr

[magic garnet]

and even after the "nerf" astral is close to be his best trait

[lone mango]

Well yeah, because astral was broken as shit before

[sleek atlas]

yea and they reworked the trait them doing that and the level reward bs is why i stopped playing at the start

[magic garnet]

and after is still minimal difference with ruler

[lone mango]

And now astral is a lot worse off unless your unit can do a lot of attacks at once

[sleek atlas]

memorias NEED stats and traits btw

[lone mango]

Like with Vergil’s sword throw counting as attacks per tick

[sleek atlas]

im not gonna evolve a unit and roll on it if its not gonna replace anyone on my current team

[clever plume]

Av gotta keep up cuz its very obvious that the devs in utdx love the game and love making updates and you can see it in their work but its not the same in av

Av is just release character
Make the vfx look nice
Nice models
And do dmg more dmg, crit and followup as passives

[sleek atlas]

your ignoring every point just glaze utd atp 😭

[lone mango]

Pyseph spending nearly all of their time poured into the odyssey rework because they were passionate about it and wanted to make it good this time

[next zodiac]

AV just dropped one of the best game modes, are we seriously gonna ignore that

[clever plume]

And thats for you but again its should not always be about highest dmg number which av as become it should be about u ique mechanics that a unit has that the other doesnt

[lone mango]

Nah devs don’t care about the game

Pack it up

[clever plume]

I mean im just comparing what I see

[lone mango]

You mean things like ainz or rukia? Or the ninjutsu mechanic as a whole?

[sleek atlas]

it is about the highest dmg tho? alot of units do cool shit in av but arent used because "the other units do more dmg"

[magic garnet]

I have a problem with this, is true adventure is good, but what people came for was literally madara, and he is not even that good compared to last update team XD

and the even is just a joke by itself

[lone mango]

People put too much emphasis on that

[next zodiac]

Yeah madara ain’t even mid idk wth yall be talking about

[clever plume]

Not a good mechanic did you perharps watch nagblox new video? If that is what a good mechanic is then I'd rather play chess

[halcyon socket]

isnt that a good things though, complains were about of how a unit just powercreeps everyone instantly after a update

[sleek atlas]

why the random chess stray tf 😭

[magic garnet]

wh y would I get monarch if the last update team don't even need him

[granite pulsar]

what did i miss chat

[next zodiac]

What? He maxes out the whole team for free 😭

[granite pulsar]

holy 300 mssgs

[lone mango]

Dude nag has some awful takes sometimes ngl, I’m not gonna listen to someone that keeps defaulting to him

[sleek atlas]

also if your only point is "nagblox said its bad" then wrap it up

[next zodiac]

Do you not know how to properly use ninjutsu?

[clever plume]

Peak game play guys lol

[lone mango]

Same guy that was obsessed with the idea that vsjw was the best character in the game solely because he was unknown

[next zodiac]

Hey I never said ninjutsu was a good mechanic

[clever plume]

So farms are not gonna be needed now? Wow

[sleek atlas]

Peak game play guys lol

[clever plume]

Its gojo what you want him to do besides being a heavy hitter and timestop with his domain?

[next zodiac]

They do need to do smth about Ninjutsu, idk what they could do but it’s gotta be smth

[sleek atlas]

its madara what do you want him to do hes a heavy hitter

[clever plume]

Nope nope did you watch naruto?

[lone mango]

I forgot it was 3x to timestopped enemies on e6

Yeah eths are so awful, getting e6 is just night and day and you don’t use him otherwise 😭

[clever plume]

Madara did allat

[magic garnet]

is until people find out and start to compalin because somehow 2 secrets and a banner unit are better than the new vanguard

[sleek atlas]

the guy that DROPS METEORS isnt the heavy hitter

[next zodiac]

He’s still top 4 dps what are we doing here

If anything, Naruto is the problem, not madara

[sleek atlas]

thats just dps madara has support and utility

[magic garnet]

need 5 of them to compare 1 naruto , and that's a big problem of naruto, he is a bad design character

[lone mango]

I dunno maybe something with infinity and a ramping slow? Maybe something that actually has a little more control over pull and repulse with red and blue? Like there were definitely options. He do big damage and timestop though. And he has this gimmick of pulling enemies down and then back the track so the most optimal way to use that is basically placing him at the start of the track or something

[next zodiac]

Yeah Naruto should’ve been nerfed along with Pain

[magic garnet]

you need a als type powercreep to powercreep him and im not even joking around

[next zodiac]

That might not be crazy to say

[magic garnet]

wasn't his team 200M DPS?

[sleek atlas]

yoooo byken did that

[next zodiac]

Idk I just know his dmg is ridiculous

Kurama should have more CD and shouldn’t be used every time he’s placed with ninjutsu

[green comet]

i agree on this heavily

[magic garnet]

we better start getting ready to gear 5 being or bad or peak DPS , support, revive, nulify unit that update for free always

[clever plume]

And thatd all he is he does dmg no unique mechanics from a character that had all that in the animes with various jutsu and funny enough he had eternal night or whatever in his evolved name but we don't even get to see him use some type of infinite tsukuyomi in his kit

Let's Larp more guys !!!!

[green comet]

we need more passive reliant units please

[granite pulsar]

so did rule, but byeken def had better kit bc of built in repulse/slow/pull

[sleek atlas]

how would you even use inf tsukuyomi in his kit

[next zodiac]

I liked it but ever since the AOT upd, they started changing to stat buffs bc people hated the way they made those type of units

[magic garnet]

could be funny if they did like the BTD6 tower of military mortar and aim where the meteor fall xddd

[sleek atlas]

also i think slumber is meant to be that not sure tho

[lone mango]

no unique mechanics
characters that apply slumber: Madara

I know slumber is a combination of things but it’s funny to see

[green comet]

give allied units their peak buffs from passives under conditions

[clever plume]

And what did av manage to produce with gojo if not even more basic

[granite pulsar]

what does slumber do?

[next zodiac]

Gojo is a release character bruh

[lone mango]

He was made by an entirely different dev team in like update 1

[green comet]

like if a unit had a passive part like "on attack gain +5% dmg up to 50%", inf tsukuyomi instantly makes it 50%

[magic garnet]

stun for 2 seconds and make enemies take 30% more damage, if they have a debuff only stun

[next zodiac]

Well, close to release

[lone mango]

We cannot be serious rn

[clever plume]

Boi slumber is nothing new lol we already had stun in the game its the same thing

[lone mango]

Damage amp debuff, no?

[green comet]

UPD 9.0 was when it went down hill

[next zodiac]

Yeah comparing AV Gojo to UTD Gojo is crazy

[magic garnet]

subaru from AG?

[granite pulsar]

nah bruh we need to bring back inf spin

[clever plume]

That doesnt exist cuz every unit in the game debuffs

[lone mango]

What

[green comet]

i dont remember how he works i havent touched ag since like fate update

[clever plume]

Let's be real av turning into als

[lone mango]

The fuck are you talking about

[green comet]

not really....

[magic garnet]

he instant refill all gauges and update them at max any tower inrange

[lone mango]

I am watching a man’s braincells shrivel up in real time

[magic garnet]

and can't get down the gauges , so you have 100% always

[green comet]

that's not the same as what i'm saying though

[clever plume]

Exaggerated but you get the point

[lone mango]

There was no point

[next zodiac]

Still not really

[magic garnet]

but like silimar , just not gauges just stacking buffs in circustances

[next zodiac]

ALS deadass shot themselves in the foot with the bs they pulled off

[clever plume]

And Im watching a guy loses his sight becoming blind to obvious truth right in front of his eyes

[magic garnet]

we don't talk abot als w3 😭

[granite pulsar]

All were missing are CC buffers

[clever plume]

Av gonna have a world 2 real quick with how high these dmg numbers going

[green comet]

[magic garnet]

let G5 handle that with a toonforce abilitie

[next zodiac]

He’s not blind dawg, he’s actually spitting facts. He’s not acting like AV is the perfect game, he still points out its flaws 😭

[green comet]

the devs should lowkey just start focusing on enemies more now

[lone mango]

You’re just a fucking moron and I’m tired of arguing this

[green comet]

give them unique mechanics rather than just "dmg reduction dmg reduction dmg reduction" or smth like armored

[magic garnet]

I want the custom lvl actually be cool and not just a fast rr and gem way pls 🙏

[next zodiac]

Fast rr and gem way shit don’t even work so ye I agree

[clever plume]

Nah but earlier he said utdx wasn't just a better game to play when I said it was so i am trying to show him that he's wrong

[granite pulsar]

we do not need more enemies teleporting to base gng

[next zodiac]

It’s a god damn opinion

[clever plume]

Ong like where is the unique passive we live gng

[green comet]

yo a new mechanic doesnt mean teleporting to the base 🥀

[magic garnet]

gime them things like in adventure mecanics for them

[next zodiac]

Yall can debate all you want but calling him blind just bc he doesn’t agree with you makes YOU the problem

[green comet]

[lone mango]

I also said they both have ups and downs and saying one is better than the other just isn’t the way. Better to just call them different and be done with it

[pure knoll]

pyseph pyseph

[clever plume]

He said im losing my brain cells so ??

[next zodiac]

Bc you said some dumb shit like AV becoming als

[lone mango]

They both do stuff right, they both do stuff wrong

[green comet]

wait why is it not in any of my playlists spotify is scamming

[sleek atlas]

does anyone have this guys passives

[lone mango]

Because you are making some of the most god awful “points” I have ever seen in suggestions and somehow they still get worse

[clever plume]

Right but one is more innovative and less bland which was the main point of the suggestion

[lone mango]

You mean AV?

[clever plume]

Who else?

[magic garnet]

I can't send photos xd

[lone mango]

Good, glad we can agree on something then

[granite pulsar]

[next zodiac]

Dude UTD just copied all the good parts of AV, other ATDs and just added their own spice to it. Plus it’s newer so recency bias is crazy

[granite pulsar]

dm that to me, ill send it for u

[lone mango]

I like the part where he just walked into proving my point, very funny

[sleek atlas]

is this not basic af

[green comet]

UTDX does not excel in passives tbh they suck at that

[next zodiac]

Lmao you got his ass

[next zodiac]

I wouldn’t say they suck but this dude definitely is glazing

[sleek atlas]

im actually trying to find what utd excels in

[lone mango]

Spoiling players with codes

[sleek atlas]

chillll

[next zodiac]

Nah deadass 😭

[green comet]

anime codesaders' successor?

[next zodiac]

I got like 5 rulers from codes alone

[lone mango]

Imagine they finally start giving less out

[sleek atlas]

im like 99% sure utd gives more rrs in codes 😭

[clever plume]

Ye and i am saying mine

[next zodiac]

Oh 100% but crusaders just gives out 16282615 15 rr codes

[green comet]

i dunno, AC gave 300 rrs in one day once

and it wasn't even on update day

[sleek atlas]

utd dropped like 600 in a day once no?

[green comet]

damn i didnt know that 😭

[next zodiac]

That was fine until you called him blind for disagreeing with you

[lone mango]

Like where you said av was more innovative?

[sleek atlas]

it was atleast 400

[clever plume]

Av copied from aa initially so everyone Coping but its take alot of stand out and be innovative which utdx is doing rn

[lone mango]

No they are not

[merry axle]

👀 av take notes

[next zodiac]

AV was literally the top dog for SO long wth are you talking about

[lone mango]

All we’ve seen is sneaks of things that have been done before with one thing that might be new to ATDs

[magic garnet]

doesn't change that it was a AA copy ??

[next zodiac]

UTD is standing out rn bc it’s new and giving players what they want which is infinite rrs

[lone mango]

But is just ripped from other tower defenses anyways. Which isn’t a bad thing inherently

[clever plume]

Guilds, universal, world raids, and so much more that we looking forward too

[sleek atlas]

i dont see a point in doing this av has alot farmable rrs

[lone mango]

Guilds are not innovative

[green comet]

especially with odyssey now

[next zodiac]

That’s was definitely true at the beginning but then they completely changed to a different direction

[sleek atlas]

universals only interesting thing there 😭

[magic garnet]

AV have it too?? we literally have tons of RRs since anniversay

[clever plume]

The way they abt to make it is

[lone mango]

And the world raid was an awful first impression

[sleek atlas]

UTD tycoon WE will be there

[merry axle]

Still 👀 I need my monarch Ainz bro 1100 rerolls and still no monarch 🙏

[green comet]

universal tear and world raids dont really have anything special tbh

[sleek atlas]

run adventure u got that

[granite pulsar]

Guild Buffs dont even work since everyone doesnt donate shit and it fucking resets before we could get there

[magic garnet]

just like UTDX? they are literally making their own path with different ways of rrs famr,s universal rarity etc?

[clever plume]

Making guilds actually have a use besides competing for top dmg guilds making it have use to gameplay

[lone mango]

Maybe. We have no idea how it’ll actually function so we can only speculate off what they say

[sleek atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[clever plume]

Ye but they told us already and I have faith

[merry axle]

150 more rerolls while I got monarch Naruto in 3 rerolls

[lone mango]

By farming resources for you?

[sleek atlas]

av dosent have a dmg lb son

[next zodiac]

I mean I did say that didn’t I? They put their own spice in things which is good.

[lone mango]

Putting an excavator down is innovative

[sleek atlas]

cold

[magic garnet]

then what's the point of bringing that up now?

[clever plume]

Mining? But okay

[merry axle]

Boss event in guild wars kinda counts as one

[next zodiac]

Sorry, I explained that horribly, let me rephrase myself

[granite pulsar]

its a bad feature

[magic garnet]

like anime overdrive XD'

[clever plume]

Excaty av has become a simulator everyone chasing high dmg numbers and thats it

[sleek atlas]

kinda ig

[clever plume]

Unique plus you ain't forced to do it

[lone mango]

[merry axle]

Not really since it's just for title

[sleek atlas]

THIS is what you call nitpicking

[granite pulsar]

@magic garnet

[green comet]

bro saw "gold" and struck

[sleek atlas]

MY unique unit

[magic garnet]

Yea UTDX passive are literally like AV most of the times , I guess with universal can have some good and cool combos, but for the moment is just the same

[next zodiac]

What I’m saying is UTD is putting their own spin on things from other existing game modes and other stuff like passives and whatnot. AV legit carved its own path to stray away from being too similar to AA. Eventually times caught up so they became less unique while UTD started adding their own unique game modes which is why it’s as popular as it is now

[clever plume]

Ehen I might have strayed from my own standards but you get the point

[lone mango]

I liked the part where his kit looked like it could be really funky and work with other traits and then they just gave him that reanimation ability

[sleek atlas]

i really dont

[lone mango]

[clever plume]

👍🏽

Friday finna be fire for me ngl

[magic garnet]

I just want both games to be great :(

[lone mango]

The problem with UTD’s unique modes is that they haven’t really been enjoyable either

[granite pulsar]

ye idk most of these words are i only play AV and Fantastic Frontier in Roblox

[merry axle]

Make memorias great!

[granite pulsar]

what the hell even is etherealization

[lone mango]

Dogshit

[merry axle]

Buff basically

[lone mango]

That’s what it is

[green comet]

eth SUCKS i hate it man

[sleek atlas]

have you played a gacha game

[magic garnet]

they are not bad ,but pls make it for old units, not cut down new units passive for the love of it

[granite pulsar]

no

[lone mango]

Dupe systems are fun

[next zodiac]

Yeah, they’re cool asf when you first play them, then you realize you gotta do it 40+ more times

[clever plume]

Omg lets not forget leader skills with sinbad which they will continue to implement

[sleek atlas]

dupe system

[merry axle]

Spot on 🙏

[granite pulsar]

well if you consider league a gacha then yes

[next zodiac]

ALS much

[sleek atlas]

the most unique thing ever so peak

[lone mango]

Beru raid just sucked even the first time

[clever plume]

They got tags that actually matter too wow

[lone mango]

Finding out you could place literally only a single unit

[sleek atlas]

never played league iunno

[magic garnet]

als was a bad leader skill because it was global ,this one have category restriction

[clever plume]

💯👍🏽

[lone mango]

Was the worst thing I have ever seen in that game

[sleek atlas]

the magi tag with one other magi unit 😭

[granite pulsar]

what does confuses do

[next zodiac]

Yeah I was just joking on that one lol

[clever plume]

Who says they won't add more?

[lone mango]

Repulse

[next zodiac]

UTD leader skills are Dokkan leader skills and that’s fine bc AV revivals are just Dokkan revivals lmao

[sleek atlas]

they might but right now as the first lead skill unit sinbad was a bad pick

[clever plume]

Innovative 💡

[granite pulsar]

we should add it to the AV but make it deal 35% of the enemies health while not killing the cc'd enemy frfr

[magic garnet]

I just love they making dokkan things on TD 🙏

[sleek atlas]

av alr had repluse what are u talkin abt

[green comet]

is this ragebait

[merry axle]

Might be who knows

[next zodiac]

Ong, this was one of the best decisions imo

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[magic garnet]

Dual and enchange units are peak concepts with great future

[next zodiac]

Yall get the idea

[green comet]

exchange units?

[magic garnet]

Just like AV goku + vegeta

[magic garnet]

sorry my grammar is not the best

[next zodiac]

Oh yeah I forgot we already have an exchange unit

[green comet]

no, no i just didn't get what you meant

[sleek atlas]

quick question how do you get the kurama susanoo in utd?

[merry axle]

One of the coolest units that were added but overshadowed the next update...

[next zodiac]

Have you played Dokkan?

[green comet]

just from raids

[sleek atlas]

swap units

[next zodiac]

Nah they were overshadowed the same upd

[green comet]

nope

[sleek atlas]

isnt it also useable unit

[merry axle]

With buu?

[magic garnet]

madara + naruto full upgrade and then fusion them

[green comet]

oh you need like naruto and madara prettay sure

[next zodiac]

Basically, Exchange units are one unit with 2 characters in one that can be swapped on command and they have their own unique passives

[clever plume]

Water units?

[sleek atlas]

when tf did madara fuse with naruto

[granite pulsar]

Dio

[green comet]

[magic garnet]

in a game they did

[sleek atlas]

isnt that the same thing als did

[next zodiac]

No that’s a mode switch, not the same

[green comet]

the nine tails night thingy where minato died

[next zodiac]

Goku and Vegeta is a more accurate comparison

[clever plume]

Ye but this also repulses

[granite pulsar]

they not the same unit so its the same

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[sleek atlas]

oh ykw i think he did when he faught hashirama aswell

[next zodiac]

Yeah uh, no

[green comet]

oh yeah he did

[sleek atlas]

it was less naruto and more nine tails

[magic garnet]

I just wish they made actuall passive that have a realtion with the character

[green comet]

hashirama pulls out rasenshuriken in that fight, i loved it

[clever plume]

Uhhh im talking abt his leader skill buffing water units aswell

[next zodiac]

Smith John is another one

[magic garnet]

peak scene 🙏

[sleek atlas]

yea als did the same thing and you called their lead skills bad

[green comet]

i wish it was the seven shadows instead of john smith tbh

[clever plume]

I did not

[merry axle]

Nah man we got Kurama throwing double shuriken now 😂

[magic garnet]

but als leader was not restricted to tags or elements, this one yes

[next zodiac]

Buff ass Kurama

[green comet]

and i remember when he had a training arc with naruto, getting jacked as hell

[clever plume]

Omg the larp is so bad that its good or rather funny

[sleek atlas]

does this also not buff water units?

[magic garnet]

and using those pole and balls from the ninja war when this naruto suposse to be from pain arc 😭

idk the name of the form ngl

[green comet]

sage of six paths i think

[next zodiac]

Sage mode?

[merry axle]

Yeah man his seal also provided him with gym as well 😂

[magic garnet]

Yea, like, is a pain update, and this naruto is NOT from it

[sleek atlas]

we alr have sage naruto it was six paths naruto last update

[next zodiac]

Nah six paths was when he was all glowy and stuff

[green comet]

yeah with the pole and balls it was sage of six paths

[magic garnet]

when he fight madara

[green comet]

https://tenor.com/view/six-paths-asura-mode-asura-kurama-uzumaki-gif-1588360848322528483

[next zodiac]

Yo pause

[magic garnet]

or idk didn't saw naruto

[merry axle]

Yeah man I remember Naruto in pain arc turning into a jacked nine tailed fox

[green comet]

i would use chinese to tell you something but idk if it's strictly english here or not

[next zodiac]

Why did they make Kurama so jacked in AV 😭

[merry axle]

Someone has preferences that's all.

[next zodiac]

Giving me body dysmorphia 🥀

[green comet]

they couldnt stand seeing a skinny model

[magic garnet]

yea , ATK +20 and attack speed by 10

[green comet]

this is why every av model is jacked

[merry axle]

He was perfect in that first sneak

[clever plume]

But we love the naruto shiny right?

[next zodiac]

Well typically a lot of anime characters are jacked anyways

[green comet]

trueeeee

[merry axle]

Oh god have mercy

[magic garnet]

dude that's just not 😭

[magic garnet]

I prefer not having a shiny for that ngl

[next zodiac]

Naruto shiny is like he skinned Kurama

[magic garnet]

take that shiny for traders or something

[merry axle]

Man I saw that shiny model I was perplexed man

[next zodiac]

Nah ong

[merry axle]

Bro looks like Boruto with nine tails in him

[magic garnet]

I was so confused like. bro , you could make such a cool shiny like the als godly naruto skin 😭

[merry axle]

Yeeeeah dam that could've been sick

[magic garnet]

and ngl I hate kurumi's shiny

[next zodiac]

Baron mode Naruto as a shiny

[magic garnet]

Like bro, you could give her the white dress model instead of just G bait

[merry axle]

🔥

[green comet]

i'm waiting for shiny event for that shiny

[next zodiac]

But the G bait 🙏🏼 (I hate it too)

[merry axle]

But yeah icl they cooked with shiny Madara

That model is sick

[next zodiac]

Yeah ngl the start of this thread said smth about the shiny and I thought he was crazy. Madara’s shiny is amazing

[green comet]

true serialised looks a bit iffy to me though

[merry axle]

But they missed an opportunity to make it into his upgraded form

[magic garnet]

gogeta ssj4 shiny inccident 🥀

[clever plume]

Ye but they not even the same unit cuz different forms with different abilities but it does look clean

[next zodiac]

Nah Pink Gogeta is tuff chill

[green comet]

on release his shiny cosmetic was so laggy my sister's roblox crashed every single time she joined with said cosmetic on 😭

[merry axle]

[magic garnet]

XDDD

[next zodiac]

Lmao I forgot about release Gogeta’s aura

It was legit a flash bang everytime someone had it on

[merry axle]

Legit

[green comet]

50 million layers of aura vfx

[green comet]

rivals jjs skill builder movesets

[next zodiac]

Quick someone send the “MY EYES” gif

[green comet]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[next zodiac]

💀

[merry axle]

That's called "Aura" Av

Still don't get it why Madara's meteor attack got repurposed as his final attack

[green comet]

madara from tiktok

[merry axle]

Meteor should've been nuke

[merry axle]

😭

Or those old clips saying "Madara is cool"

[green comet]

i asked my big sister if she knew what madara did (she has never watched naruto)

and she said "he sends down meteors"

[merry axle]

Don't blame her that's kinda tuff

[clever plume]

Could have had a cool cloning mechanic with madara

[green comet]

we've had enough clones recently

[clever plume]

Ye cuz of pain

[merry axle]

God pain needed that nerf

[next zodiac]

I never utilized his passive before

[merry axle]

He's like top dps with Naruto

Hella broken

[green comet]

why is no one mourning ulquiorra tbh

[next zodiac]

WHO

[green comet]

ninjutsu stole his entire flow

[clever plume]

Plus I don't get how pain can spawn in naruto or have synergy with him even though at the time they were enemies in the anime

Might just be me idk

[green comet]

it's not like he specifically spawns in naruto he spawns in ninjutsu units

[merry axle]

😔

This whole ninjutsu mechanic just force's you to get as many Ninjutsu units as possible

Is what I see in that passive

[green comet]

yeah i didnt even roll on a single ninjutsu unit from last update, sure its op and all but im not using units that i hate

[next zodiac]

You really just need Madara, Naruto and Minato

[merry axle]

I like Madara tho he's tuff as hell

[merry axle]

Don't forget about might guy

[next zodiac]

I havent used him enough to know if he's really worth using

[merry axle]

That guy has guaranteed Crit after 5 replacement's

[shut solar]

[merry axle]

100% Crit to be exact

[magic garnet]

you are talking about the same people that put a kurama doing a rasenshiken even if he is suposse to be pain arc naruto 💔

[magic garnet]

5 madaras to get at the lvl of narutos DPS btw

[merry axle]

Pretty sure it's more

[shut solar]

like, madara vf when?

im not joking

[magic garnet]

I am so scared of G5

if they want powercreep naruto they will do a als lvl powercreep and after that god know's what's next

or nerf naruto ( will not happen)

[merry axle]

Apply every single effect in game and when he does do 200% more DMG kinda passive

[halcyon socket]

Do you really want them to do this

Yk its a bad idea

Even if mistakes were done with his dps calc

[magic garnet]

and make DoT crit and re aplly when doing a active that aslo do 1000% of his damage on the map

[onyx steppe]

damn what have i started

[merry axle]

Won't be surprised if they do that

[onyx steppe]

anyways keep going guys, this should be noticed atp lol

[magic garnet]

Or that or we just make a record power creep

[merry axle]

Hope it does man

[magic garnet]

idk you but I don't like figthing power creep with even more, look ALS or AG

We have good examples how not handle it and still ppl want buff madara instead of nerf the naruto team

[magic garnet]

just give him true damage atm and go on

[halcyon socket]

Maybe, but fighting it with current unit nerfs aint suitable either, see dot team,elphet,reimu and sakuya cases

Mistakes were done and they cannot be reverted because people already invested on those units

[magic garnet]

reimu and sakuya with memory are not even close to naruto t eam

[magic garnet]

then what's the solution? see the game just powercreep himself until we get "GUYS WORLD 2 OUT" message?

They alredy nerfed pain onces btw

and erza was a mistake and nerfed too

atm idk if i want my fav characters even come to the game if they will be just a banner unit to evolve the new best unit secret by a quest or vanguard by a quest

[merry axle]

True stun every attack

[magic garnet]

bypass stun CD twice and stack Dots that crit and re apply when end, AND aslo make it stay longer

[merry axle]

Yooo we should be on team creating units

[magic garnet]

fr 🙏

[tropic cape]

Im gonna bfr if there is a utdx player that isnt in the discord server they would have a big problem with the relics

I play utdx and the relics grind seem boring to me

Its somewhere like grinding memorias in av

I like how some utdx units dont require rulers and sometimes can be sumn like duelist i still dont like the relics thing

Never been a fan of the relics concept

[merry axle]

Grinding memorias is hell.

[tropic cape]

Yea and seeing all your saved up essences go to the bin after evolving all memorias from the upd to get the evolving rewards just for them to get powercrept next update hurts

[magic garnet]

I prefer 10 relics in the time I get a pity mhytic memorial

[merry axle]

Fr

[magic garnet]

by the time you get a memorial I alredy ful build a character lol

Even easier with sub stats reroll of relics

[merry axle]

Memorias should be easier to get icl

[tropic cape]

Memorias really had a bad execution

Most of these hate for memorias wouldn’t have appeared if they didnt make it so fucking expensive

[severe briar]

i do want try understand what is it you are implying here? are you saying they shouldve made madara stronger than naruto due to his vanguard rarity?

[magic garnet]

atleash not need to evolve

[severe briar]

everyone in here is always saying things that seem like constructive criticism but you can never tell whether they are being serious about it or not

[magic garnet]

yes ??? is literally what vanguard is for?

[merry axle]

Fr 🙏

[tropic cape]

Dont get me wrong sure memorias are to maintain ccu/longer playtime but bro nobody likes evolving memorias

[merry axle]

Also no need for good stats like Z+

[magic garnet]

naruto is a problem , a anomaly of balance, don't buff madara, he is good, nerf naruto that is the problem

[tropic cape]

I came to this update with maxed out everything and I evolved everything new to now once again 0 essences

[sleek atlas]

there rlly isnt a need for that tho

S works for most memorias

[merry axle]

Kinda? Since you'll be using it on units like sjw or maybe Escanor and Ainz

[severe briar]

i fs agree naruto need a huge nerf otherwise how will they make the next synergy team be used?

[shut solar]

madara has a lot of technique variety, but they didn’t implement him well and could’ve used his abilities much better
his memoria passives are bad except the first one, and half of his passives is just filler

[sleek atlas]

this is also only true for mythic relics

[severe briar]

unless they make wanted better than ninjutsu

[severe briar]

are you fr with this LOL

[shut solar]

ofc i'm

[severe briar]

Who says they need to make the characters 1:1 accurate with their lore? and what if they couldnt do it because it just don't fit av

[magic garnet]

als lvl of powercreep with G5 lol xd

[severe briar]

Or just not worth implementing all of the complicated gamble mechanics madara would normally have

[magic garnet]

I mean yea? just like mythics memories, or you gonna build characters with legendary memories?

[sleek atlas]

secret relics exist and it takes longer to farm them

[shut solar]

i’m just saying they could make him better, like adding limbo or juubidara as his transformation, his nuke is bad too actually

[sleek atlas]

because of the star system

[magic garnet]

not even a 10% of DPS difference but if you want that

how about a vanguard memorie?

[sleek atlas]

obtaining or evoing?

madara takes around 30 mins to obtain

[magic garnet]

both just like updating and opdaining relics

[magic garnet]

a exception of course?

[sleek atlas]

evoing well that depends on how many stars u have

[magic garnet]

rukia? alucard? ichigo?

[sleek atlas]

rukia took about an hour or slightly more

[magic garnet]

even in 30 mins lowk can have a decent build with secret gears without needing stars

[sleek atlas]

alucard takes like a day but hes perm

[magic garnet]

I am not talking about a peak build, I mean a good build

[sleek atlas]

and ichigo again depends on how many stars u have

[magic garnet]

if we want a peak build in UTD of course is more xd

[clever plume]

I understand it can be a pain at first especially needing gold to max lvl a relics but once you settle in it really isnt a problem

[magic garnet]

sub stats rerolls make it easier but still would need your time

[green comet]

i think the only thing i dont like abt relics is just how they take a lot of gold (for me at least)

[tropic cape]

Yeah its just that i cant really understand the relic system’s concepts and i have trouble with it

[queen otter]

it's an anime game, why should they not make it 1:1

[magic garnet]

yea is a lot , idk how I got so much gold anyway so was not a problem for me for the moment xd

[clever plume]

Not rlly at most its like a 6percent difference you can chase it but not needed for your unit to be good

[sleek atlas]

still need a good main stat which is also rng

[magic garnet]

oh wait mb didn't think straing 🙏

[queen otter]

well true, but i think it would just be common sense to lower their dmg or smth like that

[magic garnet]

hakai with damage is not really possible ngl xd

[clever plume]

Trust me I have been there I hate it cuz it felt to clustered and messy but its peak trust its like the right amount difficulty and no more, a very nice sweet spot not to overwhelming and not too easy which becomes bland or boring

[merry axle]

Just rework Naruto atp

[slow tiger]

Why?

[merry axle]

This guy needs to go

[magic garnet]

and pain pls , both need something bro

[clever plume]

Uhh I mean just farm the stage for a Lil and you gonna get the main stat u want

[merry axle]

This guy out dps any unit you will get

[tropic cape]

Can you lowkey explain relics in dms so i can know what to get

I got some good stuff rn like fission sinbad duel vergil ruler hades sacred frieren astral fern and golden bulma

[slow tiger]

Oh ok

[merry axle]

Add Rinnegan to bro

[magic garnet]

5 madaras to handle the DPS of ONE naruto 🙏

[sleek atlas]

farmed for like 30 mins to not get a single cr or cd relic

[shut solar]

maybe he’s trying to say the devs were lazy.
they were wrong to add madara in the first place if they weren’t going to give him what he deserves

[magic garnet]

bro don't have what make the character is wild work

[slow tiger]

Relic in utd?

[tropic cape]

Yea

[clever plume]

Sure

[merry axle]

And they added it to Madara instead 😭

That's gotta be elite rage bait

[clever plume]

L luck ig I never had that problem

[clever plume]

But I understand

[clever plume]

Keep trying you can do it

[magic garnet]

I love the consistency of characters models to, like, aizen , ichigo and ulquiorra looks almost identical and then we have cyberpunk ahh naruto minato and pain with no the thing that make him the character he is

is so wild

[slow tiger]

Are you still playing utd rn?

[sleek atlas]

i have nothing to do in the game i might play it on upd but idk

[merry axle]

LMAO for real tho

[clever plume]

Yea tryna get that peak gojo shiny man

[magic garnet]

dude naruto looks like boruto 😭 I know dad and son looks identical but that's was personal for the devs it seems

[slow tiger]

I feel like utd have really high shiny odds

[merry axle]

The way they did Naruto is actually hella cool and then we have the atrocious shiny Naruto

[slow tiger]

I got 3 shiny gojo in a row

[merry axle]

Meant Ichigo

My brain ain't functioning well

[magic garnet]

i swear this last shinys are not even good, pain look a edgy boy who just say to his mom that don't want to eat the spinach of the talbe

[slow tiger]

The shiny naruto is the real only real reaso he get hated on

[clever plume]

Dang lucky but yea they rlly cuz i got quite a bit of shines like the shiny phantom captain and I don't have the gamepass

[slow tiger]

Sheesh nice

[merry axle]

Also cuz of his dps bro he's insane bruh

[slow tiger]

I mean model wise

[magic garnet]

ichigo shiny looks meh at best ngl 😭

[merry axle]

I'm gangsta boy ahh pain

[magic garnet]

XDDDD

[slow tiger]

It's cool but like non of his other model get noticeable change

[clever plume]

I might be bias concerning the game cuz not only did I get her shiny but I got ruler and duelist double trait on her

[merry axle]

No his normal model is just edgy boruto

[magic garnet]

only the mask 😭

[slow tiger]

Perfect description tbh

[magic garnet]

so just boruto

[tropic cape]

Sent it to yo dms

[slow tiger]

The moonless form is lowkey wasted

[tropic cape]

The questions

[merry axle]

Woah woah slow down your horses

[magic garnet]

all the hype of mugetsu to only see it once per match :sob

[tropic cape]

I want to grind for sukuna before gojo idk if i can do it before Wano update drops

[magic garnet]

is this friday lowk yea

[merry axle]

Moonless form is peak but man you only see it when you pop nuke

[slow tiger]

You will never see mugetsu if you play ichigo optimally

[merry axle]

Would be cooler if he turned into him and then sold himself or something

[magic garnet]

but my question is, I didn't saw bleach , does ichigo actually trasform in hollow form after mugetsu???

[slow tiger]

Yea from what I heard

[merry axle]

No 😭

[magic garnet]

make us choose 2 forms 😭

another larp point for the team 🙏

[slow tiger]

Nvm then iam larping

[merry axle]

No mate he loses his powers after using it

[magic garnet]

we can't have a break from larps on this game

[merry axle]

Anime Larpguards

Naruto and his double shuriken and hollow form after he uses an ability that makes him lose power 😭

[slow tiger]

Nah this isnt larping its just av canon

Roided kurama

[magic garnet]

pain with no rinegan 😭

[merry axle]

https://tenor.com/view/suka-mona-gojo-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-anime-gif-4161165086169991132

GRAAH no gif perms

[slow tiger]

He ate the other tail beast for protein

[magic garnet]

Can't wait to see gojo doing the hollow minigun movement or goku doing a garlick ho 🙏

[merry axle]

Nah man he had gym while being sealed in Naruto

[slow tiger]

Nah it was the power of friendship

[merry axle]

Can't wait for Sukuna to have an ability to pop shrine every follow up attack

[merry axle]

😂

[magic garnet]

So real 🙏

[slow tiger]

Heian sukuna bout to spawn mahoraga

[magic garnet]

wolrd cuttingh slash just another dismantel attack btw 🙏

[merry axle]

Nah man he can turn back into meguna as his spawn ability

[magic garnet]

yuji from shibuya doing a domain expansion or a dismantel of the lvl of modulo

[tropic cape]

Im just gonna matchmake ngl

[slow tiger]

Heian sukuna bout to use chimera shadow garden

[magic garnet]

is the best way , it save you pain , will need to rejoin but still faster

[merry axle]

Memoria that makes him apply fire on dismantle effect 😭

Bro pyseph I'm free to design units

[magic garnet]

sukuna about to pull out higuruma's shikigami 🙏

[tropic cape]

After that should I go for gojo? Idk if i wanna bother for beru or sjw

[slow tiger]

they gonna make gojo actually win

[green comet]

vote for my arcueid concept art

[merry axle]

Dream come true

[shut solar]

[magic garnet]

get gojo and you should have a top tier team with sukuna + gojo

[slow tiger]

Sjw kinda suck tbh

[merry axle]

Ping me there twin

[green comet]

i got banned so i lost my artist role 😭

[slow tiger]

Compared to sukuna and gojo

[merry axle]

Dam 😔

[green comet]

just search arcueid

[magic garnet]

and they gonna make a goko + sukuna clash as a attack so gonna be tuff

[slow tiger]

In what channel?

[green comet]

this one

[green comet]

concept art

[slow tiger]

Nvm

I already voted

[green comet]

lmao

[magic garnet]

and the memorial is when sukuna and yuji talk on the domain but is modulo yuji 🙏

[slow tiger]

As long it isnt like anime crusader iam good

[magic garnet]

nono like, is just a attack from what we know

like the larper and yuta

[slow tiger]

Not a ability

[magic garnet]

is a synchro

[slow tiger]

Oh I see

[magic garnet]

and they want to do little updates with some synchros like that, goku + vegeta into vegito and things like that

and btw they confirmed gogeta and vegito as stand alone units too

[slow tiger]

I kinda like owo concept of win and lose

[magic garnet]

yea that's a cool concept

give versatility

[shut solar]

i got him shiny. i was hyped and ready to go for monarch and divinity pity with full perfect stats, but then...

[slow tiger]

Then what

[shut solar]

0 takedowns btw

[shut solar]

i got disappointed

[merry axle]

I got him shiny as well and I still went full godly for him

[slow tiger]

Is it actually worth it to use him in a ninjitsu team?

[merry axle]

His full potential lies in Ninjutsu team

But he's still decent in normal teams

[shut solar]

i’ll skip him, he’s getting powercrept quickly anyway, and he isn’t even used in the best team rn

[slow tiger]

Kinda regret that I pulled monarch on him

Could've use those for my alocard

[merry axle]

True... Next update he's probably getting powercrept by Gear 5 anyway...

[slow tiger]

If they keep to their word next upd wont have any vanguard

Pretty sure only .5 can get vanguard unit

[granite pulsar]

how did u lose ur role lmfao

[merry axle]

We don't know for sure

[shut solar]

i waited 25 updates for him, only to end up disappointed

[green comet]

silly little threat with my friend and kaboom banned

[granite pulsar]

to whom>

[slow tiger]

I kinda hope they dont cause I still dont have g4 luffy yet

[merry axle]

Since they added drums of liberation and everyone got influenced by Haki apart for white beard

[slow tiger]

Nah my goat itches wasn't effected

[green comet]

to my friend*

[merry axle]

He's so poorly done it's insane bro has 2 attacks that use meteors 😭

[slow tiger]

And takaroda and valentines ig

Kinda funny that there's a non dmca madara in the lobby

The trait guy mandra

[merry axle]

Its insane how scared they are for DMCA while keeping units like Madara in Lobby

[slow tiger]

And aqua too ig

[merry axle]

Whatever floats the boat atp 💔

[slow tiger]

There is aqua unit but they didn't change either

[merry axle]

Yeah whatever man

Still disappointed that Madara ain't using Gunbai

[slow tiger]

Is it cool i haven't seen. Naruto

[green comet]

DMCA madara gonna use the thing you use to hit flies instead of the gunbai

[merry axle]

It's broken ash 🙏

[slow tiger]

A fly swatter?

[merry axle]

😭😭😭😭

[green comet]

ya

[slow tiger]

Nah a giant ping pong bat

[green comet]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-swatter-fly-zapper-rachet-gif-10227849

[merry axle]

Community more creative than whatever devs are creating

😭🙏

[green comet]

valk is like the only passive guy or something

[magic garnet]

When VF?

[slow tiger]

Madara with a badminton racket would be lowkey tuff

[merry axle]

That would be funny as skin lwk

[green comet]

wearing like sports wear 😭

[merry axle]

Wdym passive

[slow tiger]

Sound like a slice of live cutaway

[shut solar]

can anyone remove the filler?

[green comet]

planner too

[magic garnet]

Ngl I would love skins like those

[slow tiger]

I think slumber explanation cam be removed

[shut solar]

he applies burn once wow, 40% useless thats only last for 30sec too so good, isn't it?

[slow tiger]

Since you'll see what it does anyway when you hover over it

[merry axle]

So basically he applies slumber whenever he's placed via Ninjutsu, when no effect like wounded is applied he applies slumber which does 30% more DMG to units if Slumber is applied on wounded stun units he is immune to stun and effects when enemy is debuffed do 100% more DMG and do Nullify

[green comet]

• 1 placement
• always placed when ninjutsu is activated
• slumber is stun + dmg amplifier
• deal more dmg against debuffed enemies
• more dmg on ninjutsu entry
• if no ninjutsu units, max self on placement
• if ninjutsu units, place another ninjutsu unit on placement

[magic garnet]

man I couldn't finish to write down

[green comet]

naruto filler

[merry axle]

Yeah man so unique woo hoo

[clever plume]

First passive already making it so you are forced to get monarch

[shut solar]

it's to nerf him, so pain can't clone him

[merry axle]

Well monarch is just too good anyways

[slow tiger]

Btw the wiki said that alocard is better on him then his on signature card

[magic garnet]

I will be honest, is so weird that thing about ninjutsu, like, yea cool he gain 100% of damage, but without it he gains a full AOE follow up and update max by free

[merry axle]

Literally makes it so you max out 1 unit who does DMG as 3 units

[clever plume]

Ik, they messed so bad with the pain strat that they add to implement this t

[merry axle]

💔

[magic garnet]

Can't wait to see a new naruto unit with that restiction 🙏

[merry axle]

Divinity for what

[slow tiger]

Ninjitsu is lowkey a really cool concept but made brain dead cause of pain and naruto

[magic garnet]

no way ,dude I got divinity with 100 rrs for this are we fr

[shut solar]

they couldn’t nerf naruto, so they decided.. why not just nerf the unit that comes after him instead?

[slow tiger]

You can check if you want

[merry axle]

700 rerolls to get divinity.

[clever plume]

Same thing they did to units that were immune to status effects making it so debuffs don't count cuz they were op

[magic garnet]

yea is so sad , because the idea is cool...but not the units 😭

[merry axle]

Ninjutsu would be cool if it worked with other units or units that have memoria that allows them to use Ninjutsu

[magic garnet]

Pain and naruto were too big mistake, is literally the robin from AG all over again bo

[merry axle]

Wait I'm cooking

[slow tiger]

I guessing they forgot about nose familiar when they made pain passive

[magic garnet]

make memories only tag based and not units based

[merry axle]

Spot on 🔥

[clever plume]

Yall Remember when dio was considered broken and op
How far down we've fallen

[magic garnet]

do they even test anything at all?? that pain thing was literally showed just hours later of the update

[magic garnet]

anniversary was a mistake

The RRs inflation , Dio being OP. everyone start getting OP from there forward

[merry axle]

Ah yes the event that introduced serialized

[magic garnet]

banner units just being there as decoration

[clever plume]

Who uses hollowpyseph anymore? Or the doom guy

[magic garnet]

literally ppl that came back from the anny update

[merry axle]

My friend does with allucard memoria 😭

[clever plume]

Allat mechanics just to be washed by big numbers

[magic garnet]

maybe a bad take , but I didn't like ainz at all