End Game Content Besides Towers

[tiny horizon]

I do appreciate towers for the grinding aspect but for many end game players like myself, it can get boring or feel dragged out. (and people manipulate rewards by using alt accounts) I think the implementation of a rift/weekly challenge type of mode that doesn’t require co-op would be very useful. I don’t like the fact that modes like odyssey are left to rot, especially when it’s the most innovative mode in the game.

[clever scaffold]

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[warm bear]

tldr, better endgame progression

[floral parrot]

if endgame (as in difficult content) is tied with progression, then it would result in a lot of complaints (e.g. baiken being locked behind pvp) especially since the devs have said they wanted to cater the game mainly to the casual side

which unfortunately means, if we get more endgame content e.g. guild wars (if you count this as endgame content), it probably won't be linked to progression

[warm bear]

ye prolly just another rr reward

[floral parrot]

yeah 💔

[warm bear]

which is cool in a short term but doesnt rlly change anything

gonna be another pvp

which was left to rot for a year now

[tiny horizon]

traitless always an option

[warm bear]

it doesnt change anything, trait/traitless or not

just another rr reward

[timid tide]

why make more end game content instead like you said rework odyssey and work on it

i would say that gamemode need more love from the dev team

[warm bear]

icl rn even with limitless, its hella braindead

[timid tide]

damage farm then

[warm bear]

bc shanks trivialize odyssey

[floral parrot]

odyssey doesn't need a rework, it needs a miracle 🥀

[warm bear]

facts

[timid tide]

just add arm eater sea monsters and problem solved

[warm bear]

type shii

[timid tide]

the problem with making more content instead of reworking on old ones is that these old content will end being forgotten by the devs and the community instead of receiving needed changes

[warm bear]

needs a whole rework icl

[timid tide]

odyssey is the only gamemode that got 2 reworks in less than 3 months, that gamemode clearly was planned for bigger things but with the addition of other content it ended being forgotten

[tiny horizon]

towers sucks even more cause why would i care for 50 elemental shards 😭 🙏

[floral parrot]

it's not even that, it's just so inconvenient to even find people on a similar floor

[timid tide]

solo it then

[floral parrot]

and it gets worse the higher you climb

[tiny horizon]

divinity and god birb required 😭

[warm bear]

on top of monarchs

[floral parrot]

the only tower you could realistically solo is omni and maybe curse or unbound

with good rng

[timid tide]

water overshielded enemies after seeing the level 1 unevo wb remove their shit instantly

[tiny horizon]

whitebeard the goat of av

[floral parrot]

ulquiorra carries nature

[tiny horizon]

unknown is straight ass

[grave cargo]

odyssey rework when

[floral parrot]

ulquiorra, a non-vanguard, makes nature beatable

[floral parrot]

odyssye rework when jjk upd (never)

[tiny horizon]

when ywach pays the devs again

[warm bear]

why do they even call it odyssey

[floral parrot]

they needed a cool sounding word

[warm bear]

[tiny horizon]

odyssey kind of sounds lucky like picking cards maybe

[warm bear]

odyssey should be like this icl

[floral parrot]

well odyssey is like those poems by homer about the guy who spent 10 years trying to get home

maybe the odyssey game mode reflects how it takes me 10 years of playtime to make a reasonable amount of phoenix shards

[grave cargo]

20

[warm bear]

its never worth it

[floral parrot]

that i can get in 25 floors of tower

[warm bear]

to grind odyssey for phoenix

[tiny horizon]

add phoenix to daily challenge lowkey

[floral parrot]

i think 20 is the number of years the whole thing covered

like including the time spent fighting in the war

[grave cargo]

yeah the trojan war + odysseus' travel home

[tiny horizon]

has someone gotten god birb from cid farm and not rerolling phoenix?

[grave cargo]

its a war to get 1 pheonix shard

[floral parrot]

💔

[tiny horizon]

brochacho we are getting elemental shards from recurring decadence

[floral parrot]

how much is that total

about 105 ish?

[warm bear]

111 including elemental

[floral parrot]

🥀 nice did u roll that urself

[warm bear]

no

[floral parrot]

i see

[warm bear]

i dont got phoenix shard

[floral parrot]

my friend gave me a 101% ish birb for free because he pitied me

[warm bear]

i used all of them on yuruzus

[floral parrot]

i was celebrating because i got a 60% birb so he gave me his worst birb

[warm bear]

nicee

[tiny horizon]

life savers in towers fr

[floral parrot]

that's insane 😭 and the max is what 135%?

[tiny horizon]

i think so, almost impossible to get though

[edgy lotus]

When I reapply and get back on the tester team

[tiny horizon]

phoenix mogged 😔

[floral parrot]

i saved up thinking we'd get a familiar on the 11.0 upd

[warm bear]

u should rally up some ppl and fight for the cause

[floral parrot]

i'm praying we get something for 12.0 cuz i'm going to hit the cap

[edgy lotus]

Fuh no

Odysseys a lost cause atp

[warm bear]

factss

[edgy lotus]

They wouldn’t rework it unless I could literally code the entire thing myself

[floral parrot]

they still wouldn't even if you coded it and sent it to them for free

[tiny horizon]

i mean we just need more rewards not much of a rework

[edgy lotus]

Pretty much

Nah, I think it really does need a rework

[floral parrot]

i wouldn't play it even if it gave 100 rrs a week

[edgy lotus]

The concept is neat, but the execution just is so mind numbingly tedious that even a rewards buff wouldn’t fix it

[floral parrot]

or at least not the way it is now

[tiny horizon]

better than pvp

[floral parrot]

nah pvp is overhated

[edgy lotus]

The main problem lies in that players just don’t want to sit for hours long sessions like roguelikes usually would be

[tiny horizon]

its so free ngl, nobody knows how to farm economy

[edgy lotus]

I also fucked up when I made the “1 room cooldown” thing for units, it felt a lot different on paper

[floral parrot]

im not much of a roguelike player but in the few ones i've played, they have required some strategy and were actually fun to play

since the very release of odyssey, i have always found it so dull

[warm bear]

still an abandoned gamemode

[grave cargo]

so never

[edgy lotus]

Yeah

My ass has a job now

[grave cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-fate-fsn-saber-eat-chew-gif-22256984

[tiny horizon]

gambling for good cards and seeing enemy scaling was kind of cool, and the fact it was a gamble whether to keep going or not 🤷‍♂️

[floral parrot]

does it pay better than how much u made as a former tester 🤑

[warm bear]

wouldnt any real job would?

[floral parrot]

imo my favourite roguelike game on roblox would probably be spellcraft and it's a game with 0 ccu as of now 💀

[floral parrot]

probably

how much does tester pay, isn't it like $3k per annum

pretty crazy for a roblox game if so

[edgy lotus]

I can say that yes, it 100% does lmao

I can’t say how much testers made, it did vary some, but this is just no contest

[spring plume]

They should add end game modes that atleast try to compete with 🥭 winter event rr farm

People who do that have thousands of rr while everyone else gets to rot

[edgy lotus]

And what do you think the people that farmed winter event will do afterwards

The exact same mode and the gap will not have shrunk at all

[pastel sequoia]

Tbh the reason nobody actually plays PvP is because it was buggy on release and is still a smidgen buggy so people aren’t interested

[opal veldt]

I agree, if they even just fixed the rest of the bugs and maybe added some of the new maps to the map pool along with a pvp season reset I think a lot more players would actually enjoy it.

[calm pilot]

They dont even touch odyssey anymore and you want them to do it with pvp

[floral parrot]

PvP would probably need a lot less changes than odyssey to make them more enjoyabale

[timid tide]

the real reason why nobody play pvp is bc is dogshit even if they fix all the bugs

worst gamemode ever, the game will be better without it

[viral sleet]

I would love this idea if AV devs listened for once. No one cares about custom levels besides the daily thing, and yet they are still putting effort into it for maybe 10 to 20 people actually making some DECENT levels. They have yet to fix their other game mode and always refuse to do anything the community proposes. Guilds will surely once again be a new feature/gamemode that will be boring and unused, especially after their recent trend of "new content" being added. Towers should have been a solo experience in my opinion (omni is soloable because of the dot team) and not a boring slog grind, having to find 3 people for 5 hours + because you are on floor 60 for blast. Them saying in their Q&A video that they won't add any hard content makes sense on paper back then, but now, especially with the addition of so many reroll methods AND memorias, they should start making stages harder. You can genuinely solo every game content with a Killua + Memoria and some support.

[outer girder]

YK WHAT SOLVED ENDGAME ISSUES

INF LB 😂 😂 😂 😂

😂 😂 😂 😂

[viral sleet]

and WL LB and I love that they fix the issue with the money rng that causing so much issues and then they remove it the next update

[edgy lotus]

Hot take but LBs just shouldn’t exist in a game with fully limited units

Even the traitless ones

[cunning oar]

i think i speak for everyone in this suggestion, with us wanting a mini farm simulator where we can grow our rerolls and gems ✌️

[viral sleet]

I get your point, the thing is you can just disable said limited unit in lbs and remove rng aspect from them perfect example being the dodge weather for wl

[outer girder]

THEN ONLY RR

HAVING ANY FORM OF REWARD GIVE ENDGAME PLAYER A DRIVE TO DO INF 🧐🧐

[viral sleet]

no dont forget they feel forced to do them

[outer girder]

🤫🤫

[outer girder]

Prolly the worst statement ever created

[outer girder]

By this logic remove tournaments man

Too much pressure on the whole playerbase

[cunning oar]

bring back infinite lb but traits and memories are disabled ✌️

[outer girder]

Js removed the endgame part Btw

[edgy lotus]

The other unfortunate reality is that people just prefer an easier game. It's part of the game's success and what allows it to stay afloat and keep the devs paid

I imagine that guilds will probably offer some actual end game to players though

[outer girder]

guilds are gonna have like 2 events then be forgotten

typical av trend

[edgy lotus]

For a feature as big as they are? No way

[ornate pagoda]

are u excited for guilds mr nether

[outer girder]

pvp

[warm bear]

No his name is Uryu doesn't need a buff

[ornate pagoda]

Bro wat

[warm bear]

[ornate pagoda]

Doesnt ring a bell

[ornate pagoda]

did u make any more maps

[warm bear]

No i had to file my taxes tday and was playing fortnite

Might as well wait for the update

[edgy lotus]

PvP was irrelevant lowkey. People don’t play these sorts of games to play PvP

Guilds are a lot more geared for them

[edgy lotus]

Personally no not really. I don’t care about guilds, idk if I’ll even join one

[ornate pagoda]

do you think it was worth the delay for guilds (assuming guilds will be alright)

[ornate pagoda]

Bro 😭

Can u giftme tung tung tung sahur

[warm bear]

Its not on the shop

[edgy lotus]

Yeah, I’d say so. I only know of a couple things that were planned for guilds, I have no idea how much has changed or how well those plans were executed though

[ornate pagoda]

F u

[outer girder]

guilds will be irrelevant too since so little of the playerbase is manual

[edgy lotus]

But people enjoy guilds. It helps alleviate part of the issue in wanting communities in game, but having issues actually incentivizing players to play with other people

[edgy lotus]

I mean that’s just not even true

[outer girder]

and even if it does i doubt the devs will actually care later on

they lock one idea then forget it for the next one its happened all the time

[edgy lotus]

?

[outer girder]

odysessy was such a big deal
forgetten
pvp got a whole ass upd
nobody gaf and forgotten

Yes it was a big deal cuz it replaced paragon

[edgy lotus]

Odyssey was also just terribly executed on release

And when I tried to rework it, it didn’t really do much better, but that was also due to being fairly limited on it

PvP is a major mode, but the majority of players just don’t enjoy the concept because that’s not what they’re here for

[ornate pagoda]

i wonder how they'll do guilds

no way its just pure dmg

[warm bear]

They care kinda

But dont rlly know what great change to implement

[outer girder]

This game has no longevity its all one hits
u can get the super good units in a short period of time but theres no actual area to use them

[edgy lotus]

I can at least say it won’t be that bland

[outer girder]

this is deadass why i always root for them to bring back inf lb

[edgy lotus]

As for what exactly it is, I can’t.

LBs are just a shit mode and I will always stand by that though

[outer girder]

How come

[ornate pagoda]

i was thinking guild missions can be like you spawn into a game with a set team and try to beat the stage
monarch trait = 500 points
traitless = 1500 or smth idk

[outer girder]

if its randomized thats good but if not thats awful

[edgy lotus]

They’re a large part of what stifles kit creativity so much

[outer girder]

?

[ornate pagoda]

true
i just hope guild makes av less dry

[outer girder]

they js need a long term mode that people can go back to

right now that mode is cid just to see how low a time people can get
such a high bar 😒

[ornate pagoda]

honestly i think odyssey could MAYBE do that

[outer girder]

no drive to play other then 500 gems

[ornate pagoda]

they should just buff rewards

[outer girder]

lbs are the only way to solve endgame grind but they fucking hate the idea

[ornate pagoda]

and add a modifier that speeds up enemy spawnrates like in ainz thing

[outer girder]

endgame is having a bunch of monarch units with the right familars n everything
but theres no stage worthy of endgame tier builds

[ornate pagoda]

why was it even removed

[outer girder]

Pressure to do it or some bs

There was a poll long ago that wasnt in this server to remove lbs

[ornate pagoda]

illusion right

[outer girder]

result was to not remove lbs

They removed lbs 🧐

[covert junco]

call me crazy but i miss worldline lb

[edgy lotus]

Too much drama surrounding them and it was ultimately just decided it’d be healthier to remove them

[outer girder]

bro what drama

[edgy lotus]

No people gatekeeping gamebreaking bugs, no needing to wipe people for silently abusing bugs, no rollbacking people who found dupe exploits for rewards

[outer girder]

what could there possibly be drama from high scaling events and removing rng aspects by putting in effort

[outer girder]

Ok this fair honestly

[covert junco]

i just want solo endgame content i could grind thats not tournaments, i hate tournaments icl

[outer girder]

^^

[edgy lotus]

Lbs we’re just a nightmare of a headache to maintain and keep people happy with

[outer girder]

wasnt the dupe thing a one time thing

[covert junco]

im doing towers with friends so i cant solo it otherwise i would have to wait for them

[outer girder]

id be happy with having titles be the rewards

no special title like how it was before js infinite champion [x] season

"bragging rights" being the reward but only based on a ss
be serious

[edgy lotus]

Especially when bug fixes happened like a day before LBs reset or had to keep constantly happening and constantly forcing entire LB resets over and over

[nocturne star]

grr i want my overly agressive guilds like deepwoken

[outer girder]

i dont know abt worldline lbs but im p sure people complained abt the removal js because they got rid of the only factor that lets u reliably get shiny wl units

[timid tide]

dont forget a tournament that will never happend

[ornate pagoda]

shut up kazuma

[outer girder]

Wat u talm abt

[timid tide]

shut up bum, go back to aba

[timid tide]

the pvp tournament the devs anno with the upd release

[outer girder]

wait did they not do that

[timid tide]

what?

[outer girder]

I lowk didnt gaf abt that event since I knew pvp was gonna suck ass but i didnt know they didnt do it

[timid tide]

the last 2 pvp players that dont use alts for free wins are waiting ✌️ but yea the tournament is forgotten

too much stuff for something that only lasted 2 days of hype

[outer girder]

less then a day since people realized pvp sucked ass 😂

[edgy lotus]

The problem with that tournament was the fact that pvp released

[timid tide]

unplayable on mobile, i think console players couldnt even join lol and pc players just abused the bugs

[outer girder]

pvp released horribly and its still horrible

[outer girder]

i think i played pvp on release 3 times
didnt play a single actual match bc of the loss bug

Just had people leaving everytime didnt matter

[unkempt swift]

So are you like hating on the game for having a different goal by shifting from lb players to friendly for f2p players?

You say you missed lb but if it came out it wouldn't be the same as it was back then be careful what you are wishing for

[dusky juniper]

monarch I has hm

[outer girder]

Im hating on the game for having no content for endgame players who have everything they could need

[outer girder]

How would it be then

[unkempt swift]

well wl lb would be nearly impossible to balance with the amount of crazy mechanics we've been getting lately, so i would hardly call that a lb, and infinite lb is just whoever can gatekeep the bugs the longest like nether was saying

i do miss lb but your idea of just bringing them back without any thought of it is just not going to work out well

[outer girder]

i mean does the balance matter its about abusing the pinnacle of what can be reached (only thing i could say is boost scaling past floor 50 and beyond)
and for inf i cant argue abt that but its always been like that

[outer girder]

js having the titles come back is enough for me having any drive to go high waves is nice
having bragging rights with a screenshot of u at 1st is js lame

[unkempt swift]

i dont see how going to floor 700+ to experience the fun is challenging, but maybe u enjoy that type of stuff

[outer girder]

when i meant boost scaling i meant Boost Scaling
highest floor should be like 200

[unkempt swift]

Don't you think they tried doing that? not just once but multiple however they just get destroyed because they dont factor in the passives the unit could possibly have

like alocard would be crazy insane for early placement and gohan

i know one day eventually they will need to push out endgame content and they might do that with the start of guilds

[outer girder]

This is why we need new endgame content there js no fix to this huh