increase the level requirement to post suggestions

[cedar berry]

increase it from level 10->20
i want this because a lot of the "slop" suggestions or repetitive suggestions are mostly from lower levels. most of the time when a higher level post a suggestion its well made and has effort to it. i love looking at the community's suggestions but its annoying seeing 60% essentially be "give us more free stuff" or "make the game easier"

[trim belfry]

Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[cedar berry]

btw im not saying low levels aren't allowed to have opinions on the game. but i think we can all agree 99.9% of suggestion that are low effort and are just asking for free stuff, are mostly low levels

[patent nimbus]

we havent seeing these type of suggestions in a while
at most the stupid suggestions related to the vf quest

also the devs see suggestions and look for those who are worth consider at so no point of increasing the level

also people making stupid suggestions is the charm of it channel

[cedar berry]

i still see these type of suggestions pretty frequently. not gonna show there names to call them out

its not something thats a big deal but at least to me its annoying seeing the same low effort suggestions over and over again

[spare minnow]

okay now show us how many good suggestions you see being created by users with roles level 20+

you do know NOT ALL low level users are all bad right? and you're stopping good potential suggestions because you have some hate against low level users for no reason

and why do you care if you see slop suggestions? high level are capable of doing the same thing what is the difference? no matter what you're still going see slop suggestions regardless this is a no win situation for both sides

[spare minnow]

and if u managed to do this compare the ratio with the amount of good suggestions being created by low level users

let us know the results ur suggestion is just dogshit accept that lol

[cedar berry]

1. why are you so upset? if this suggestion made you this mad I'm truly sorry

2. "you do know NOT ALL low level users are all bad right" i never said there all bad. all i said is a lot of there suggestions are low effort/thought

3. "why do you care if you see slop suggestions? high level are capable of doing the same thing what is the difference?" i care because it pushes away other suggestion that are high in quality/effort. i never said its impossible for high levels to make bad suggestions. i look thru suggestions almost every single day and i can say 75% of the bad suggestions i see are from low levels

4. "no matter what you're still going see slop suggestions regardless this is a no win situation for both sides" making the level go from 10-20 would make it so you need to be a more active member of the community to post. i don't really think this is up to debate MOST higher level accounts have more experience with the game and its community than a lower level. with this in mind, making the level restriction more strict would (most likely) get rid of so many of the slop suggestions like "make the game easier" "add more free stuff"

5. "compare the ratio with the amount of good suggestions being created by low level user" it would be unfair to do that, there are WAY more low levels than high levels. just because 100/1000 suggestions are good from low levels and only 50/100 are good from high levels doesn't make the low levels necessarily better when there's 900 bad suggestions from the low levels.

also these are just some of the recent good suggestions by high levels^

[spare minnow]

congrats i'm glad you were able to show 6 examples but again why is this suggestion still worth considering in? i could be very much wrong about this but if you increase the level requirement, you are bound to see way fewer good suggestions shown out here. this is because the majority of the people who usually has good suggestions with many upvotes are always the low level users and i think it is unfair that you do not wish to see the potential that low level users can push out.

just like what kazuma was saying what difference does your suggestion makes? the developers don't just suddenly pop in the channels randomly, they're always forwarded to them from testers, any developer or game manager for what we know

i really dont think it's fair to restrict #1315875683603447969 to high level users so we dont see more slop suggestions or troll suggestions when we rarely see these things.

another thing is that you want to do this suggestion because of the two suggestions that you determined were bad? you dont get to decide which suggestion is bad or not that up to the amount of downvotes the so called bad suggestion has

[cedar berry]

not trying to be rude but did you just completely ignore what i said? all your points you've made I've already gave a explanation to. I'm not gonna sit here and go in circles explaining why i made the suggestion. ill go even further into my points ONE more time for you. 1. "i could be very much wrong about this but if you increase the level requirement, you are bound to see way fewer good suggestions shown out here" technically yes but like I've already said, just because 100/1000 suggestions by low levels are good and only 50/100 suggestions by high levels are good doesn't make the low levels "better"
i rather have 50/100 good suggestions than 100/1000 good suggestions.
making the level requirement higher might have less overall good suggestions. but it would 100% get rid of a lot of the bad suggestions which i think is better.

2. "this is because the majority of the people who usually has good suggestions with many upvotes are always the low level users"
   i just don't think this is true and even if it is true. 90% of the community are under level 20 so i dont think its really fair to compare the two.
   this circles back again to my first point where just because 100/1000 are good suggestions doesn't mean its a good thing. that's still 900 bad suggestions.

3. the rest of your points comes down to not reading what im saying or not understanding what I'm saying
   i never said low levels cant have opinions. of course they can. i think they should still be able to upvote and comment on suggestions. i just think they shouldn't be able to create any because most of them arent good
   "another thing is that you want to do this suggestion because of the two suggestions that you determined were bad?" this isnt what im doing? the suggestions im specifically calling "bad" are "give me more free stuff" or "make the game easier" if you really want examples from recent ones I've seen
   (make memoria shards easier to get, make worldlines faster, give alocard to people who spent gems before he got pity, dismantle alocard into his memoria, make vf easier to get, add gems to raid shops, add pity for ymir, more use for corruption shards, add phoenix and elemental shards to daily/ weekly challenge, give us monthly challenge) ive seen all of these made by low levels just within the last 3 days

in short
I'm not saying every suggestion made by a low level is bad
I'm not saying every suggestion made by a high level is good
adding the level restriction WILL remove a lot of the bloat of bad suggestions due to way less players being able to post.
low level post most of the time are low quality, because they (most likely) haven't been in the community for long
high level post most of the time are higher quality, because they have been in the community for a while

i even created a graph so you can visualize it better. obviously these numbers are theocraticals. but i chose these values because low levels undeniably take up 90% or even more of the community. ill say it again. the point of having the level requirement higher, will make the amount of bad suggestions go down, even if it means the overall number of good suggestions will go down. the % of good to bad suggestions will be much better than it is now

(also apologies for typos. its 3am for me)

[arctic herald]

most

[waxen flint]

Dang im not even lvl 20

But all of my suggestions already went on spotlight

[patent nimbus]

all of them are bad bro, just some not so much like others ✌️

[serene fox]

i disagree

noone is spending there life in this server to get lvl 20 bruh

[heady swan]

[celest socket]

Ye no one is going to spend 100 hours pointless chating in discord just because some random guy thinks low lvl in discord=not playing the game much

[compact mural]

A large group of players play the game regularly but are just not very active in the discord sever and many people who are high level in the sever aren’t very active on the game so don’t see how you think discord level = component opinion

[cedar berry]

lvl 20 really isn't that hard to get

[cedar berry]

9/10 i would say yes it does mean that. higher lvl discord accounts more times than not have more experience in the community and in the game than a lower level account. (also like i said above getting lvl 20 isnt that hard, if you care enough to post suggestions getting level 20 shouldn't be a issue in my opinion)

[cedar berry]

this is the first really good point i dont really have a counter argument to ngl😭 atleast in my opinion i think the positives weigh out the negatives

[waxen flint]

Ive been on this discord for a year and im still lvl 18

Yes it is

Jumping into random conversation ur not interested in just to lvl up is larp behavior

Its even worse that suggestions dont give exp

i wouldve been paladin-avenger by now

[cedar berry]

suggestions dont give exp?

no way

[waxen flint]

[cedar berry]

i dont really talk much either but to be fair ive been in the discord for over a year

well now im conflicted

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352502594471198801/1463680258724200458/togif.gif

[waxen flint]

It also alienates lurkers who have jobs that only chat when there's actually something needed to be said

Lvl 20 is an insane for most ppl

There's a reason #「⭐」spotlight exist to filter out the slops and the good suggestions

[quaint solar]

what difference do you have between a lvl 20

[cedar berry]

@quaint solar

[quaint solar]

its rlly not that deep bro 😭

[cedar berry]

it is that deep it means so much to me

[cedar berry]

thats a really good point cant argue with that

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[quaint solar]

idk js feels like your ignoring the bigger question

1 or 2 bad suggestions are gonna limit ALOT of good suggestions we could get

the monarch recolor for vanguards which is now a staple for vanguards was reccomended by a lvl 10

[cedar berry]

i already explained why i think its worth it. the overall number of good suggestions might drop but the ratio between good and bad suggestions will be much better than it is now. im aware that low levels can make good suggestions. of course they can but, 9/10 there not good

also this is kinda off topic but me and a decent amount of players dont even like the monarch recolor for vanguards. this guy not long ago even made a suggestion to change it back

[quaint solar]

what is wrong with good suggestions

[cedar berry]

i didnt say theres anything wrong with them?

[glacial silo]

just took a stray, the only way this could work is if suggestions gave xp 🙁

[waxen flint]

theyll never do it

[glacial silo]

its a shame indeed

[worthy gulch]

Average “Quality of Life” suggestion

[cedar berry]

its not a quality of life suggestion

[quaint solar]

anyways I hope they never do ts

[worthy gulch]

I'm just saying that's the average QOL suggestion posted here

just wanting free shit

[arctic herald]

yeah fucking right mate you do that

[strange ferry]

Bro thats a good suggestion there’s no reason to increase level requirement

[arctic herald]

https://klipy.com/gifs/aokiji-oi-oi-magika

[strange ferry]

Nah i like that one and the 1.5x speed one

[arctic herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1090429735454126170/1465802379512516862/togif-1.gif

[junior phoenix]

agreed with this, a lot of the devs have stopped reading suggestions because its incredibly toxic & misinformed

[arctic herald]

an av knowledge quiz to access suggestions 🔥 or a reading comprehension test

[outer arrow]

Make it so u have to have a high in game level and a high discord level cuz I do not trust the level 18 scrubs to suggest another gem boost to make getting alocard easier

[waxen flint]

❌

[normal mango]

I feel like higher in game is more important for like suggestion but on stage suggestion its prob just discord level also suggestion should give exp anyway

[neat pond]

people can just afk on stages for in game lvl and still have no good knowledge about the game tho

[normal mango]

Ovb units and stuff would be a factor but still you get the idea

[neat pond]

yeah

[outer arrow]

WAIT what if the vanguard unit milestones had a point and the third one unlocks suggestions lmao cuz now there’s 3 f2p vanguards that anybody can get (this is a joke u can not expect someone to get 3 vanguards just to use suggestions because those vanguard need a lot of playtime and that’d be unnecessary to force people to get them)

[compact mural]

Look what you have done:(

[halcyon rapids]

damn ppl need to grind exp now

[serene fox]

i cant make sugestion anymore

[odd thistle]

thank you for freeing us twin

no more bum suggestions

[clear talon]

now you need to work on a whole 4ss job to make suggestion

[frank slate]

Not like mfs ever listen to suggestions anyways why it matter 😭

[clear talon]

a genius

[patent nimbus]

suggestion so good it was added

[clear talon]

first and last suggestion thats getting added

[serene fox]

💀

[compact mural]

Could have Atleast made it level 15

[cedar berry]

ngl im kinda surprised this went thru with how downvoted this was

but like ive been saying. this will most likely be a positive for the future of suggestions

[cedar berry]

im sorry

[patent nimbus]

well, stars and downvotes are meaningless for a suggestion if the devs end liking it

[cedar berry]

yeah very true. also most of the downvotes are mostly from low levels im pretty sure💔

tho i do understand why they would downvote it, it would suck not being allowed to post anymore

[quaint mesa]

Funny suggestion

Hehehe

[cedar berry]

i feel like public enemy #1 now

[quaint mesa]

😭

But tbh, I prefer higher levels needing it

No more slop from level whatever the hell it was before

[cedar berry]

like ive been saying. the overall number of good suggestions will most likely go down. but there will be way less slop post now

[quaint mesa]

More manageable essentially

Makes sense

As the actual servers lifespan increases, there will obviously be more level 10s that can post suggestions, it can only go up
So increasing level cap counteracts that

[patent nimbus]

dont worry, atleast your suggestion didnt end with 130 downvotes in less than 3 days

[cedar berry]

i think people will get over it anyways once they realize how much better suggestions is going to be soon

[quartz magnet]

Your suggestion workwd

[cedar berry]

yeah ik

[final steeple]

we do

just rarely write in them for good reasons

[patent nimbus]

only wait for someone reach level 20 only to suggest to revert the change

[worn ginkgo]

I had good suggestions 😢

[cedar berry]

within a month its gonna happen lol

[cedar berry]

im sorry😭 like i told others im not saying not all low levels have bad suggestions ive seen really good ones from them

[worn ginkgo]

All good i see the vision but i swear i was one of the good ones!

And I only message in suggestions so my level never goes up sighh

[nova cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402234498329874502/1476592540986642624/IMG_3811.gif

[quiet canyon]

I get suggestions being locked to lvl 20 but stage suggestions too??

[manic widget]

[nova fable]

Cool idea but need sum more addition

[quaint mesa]

It's basically a copy of what many other tds currently have if AV were to implement it
And the punishment for health going all the way down is basically a giant counter to macros and such. And remember what happened last time when we couldn't macro the latest stage (aot upd)? The game almost died

[nova fable]

I mean still a cool idea for me
We playing a TD games after all, gotta give enemies some control over battle field
I didn’t disagree with your point tho

[minor canopy]

𝙽𝚄𝙻𝙻𝚈 is AFK: sleep - 2 minutes ago

[patent nimbus]

units getting deleted without a way to counter play is the most stupid thing ever

[cedar berry]

maybe for a special gamemode or event. but adding this to the game in general is a horrible idea

[patent nimbus]

Real TD games build around their enemies with units made to counter x type of enemy,those who cant and those who are good overall
av only have ground enemies

a real td game would be TDS with their flying enemies,lead enemies and hidden enemies

[nova fable]

I mean if we have enemies who can kill you, we will have more mfs like Valentine

[patent nimbus]

but then doflamingo exist who counters units deletion mechanics like griffith and gilga

if is like that thek you will be forcing the player to use the exact same unit

ATD games just have the TD part as cosmetic

[nova fable]

I usually take KingdomRush as main part to comparison lol

[nova fable]

Then we have unit/enemies to counter that
Just like how Orihime is only unit (I know) so far can counter mind control

[nova fable]

Can’t really say that to the main mechanic whole game based on

[patent nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/von-karma-gif-20810938

I have to make you remember that for some reason we have a lot of units that clean themselfs and a whole element that is cleaning

https://tenor.com/view/manfred-von-karma-snap-finger-ace-attorney-gyakuten-saiban-von-karma-gif-27479281

also orihime doesnt work against mind control, that is merlin with other cleaners

[nova fable]

I’m not sure if Unknown work against the Original or not apparently

[nova fable]

She does and i have no idea how’s other cleaner do it

[patent nimbus]

im talking about cosmic

[nova fable]

Isn’t they still get pull by MC?
And Cosmic have 30 sec cd so fair balance I’d say

[patent nimbus]

well, the original mc is different from the others bc the 2 previous bosses apply the effect that makes the original be able to steal your units

a effect that cosmic and some cleaners can remove

[nova fable]

So…

Hold on

That’s make sense

[nova fable]

Wait can the boss mark unit that didnt attack?

[patent nimbus]

well, half cleaners cant remove it and other half can

[nova fable]

I saw it pull my farm

And Orihime

[patent nimbus]

yea, is like a attack

[nova fable]

I would guess Al can’t?

[nova fable]

Interesting mechanic, would love if we have more

How do you know tho?

[patent nimbus]

i had to solo that shit and learn how the mf work

[patent nimbus]

funny enough is only visible with effects on and even with that the icon that show which units have his effect is barely visible

[nova fable]

I solo that shit and learn from YT that Orihime can counter him
Annoying boss

[nova fable]

New idea for Suggestion

[cedar berry]

why are we even talking about this on this suggestion

[hoary mango]

I think a lot of people who were against this only really care about accessibility rather than pros and cons lol

Having a better quality rate is very worth it

It's like low crit rate, high crit damage build vs Balanced crit rate and crit damage build, the balanced build is just better

[cedar berry]

most of the downvotes are from low levels. i do feel bad that i made the suggestion (and it actually went thru) but like ive said to everyone else, the % of good suggestion will go up

[hoary mango]

Well, they are the main victims so it's understandable

I do think it's a good change tho

[cedar berry]

yeah overall within the next couple weeks i expect the suggestions to be way better

[hoary mango]

All that's left is Seilo updating this 😂

[heady swan]

Time to lock this

[cedar berry]

yeah