Stop treating us like shit.

[soft charm]

400🔥

Better writing than the entirety of jjk🥲

[pine nest]

controversial but i lowkenuinely agree

[spare sluice]

Bump

[cosmic patrol]

Bump

Bump bump up to the devs

If they don’t address this suggestions are a scam

[restive pawn]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[lilac ocean]

not my acc

[spare sluice]

Bruh

Bump

[glossy mist]

m

[spare sluice]

Bump

[umbral solar]

In 4 months at best he's gonna be a solid support

There is not a chance in hell he's at the top of meta dps when we're gonna have 2 vanguards, 2 worldlines and 2 full .0s worth of units

[pine nest]

was wondering when u were gonna wake up

[umbral solar]

My sleep schedule is slightly chopped I haven't even gone to sleep

Anyway the point of "he's permanent you'll get him eventually" is the most bullshit counterpoint you could make when asked about the genuinely degenerate grind the devs have locked alucard behind

The fact that you'd ideally want multiple of these and getting 1 on average takes a 100+ hours of afking should say enough

You could grind out broly, vsjw, rukia and ainz in the time it'd take you to get 1 alucard memoria off banner, not even accounting for the unit itself💀

Seems reasonable

[warped trout]

not only is it bullshit
he js shouldn’t be permanent in the first place imo

[umbral solar]

I feel like this update showed exactly why a rotating banner secret wouldn't work

[modest sundial]

should have just been vf

[warped trout]

how
if anything it showed how a permanent one sucks

[umbral solar]

You'd need to farm 25k gems for the newly added best unit in the game not accounting for the memoria which is gonna have the same rates as alu

[ember siren]

Even the staffs are agreeing now some people gotta start accepting that better gem methods is needed

[warped trout]

thing is you’d obviously have to adapt gem gain to be consistent and fair, similar to seasonals
having jt permanent like this just keeps him up there doing nothing once he falls out of meta

also ofc it being perm means it can be used as an excuse for it taking a long time to get him
even if after a while he just isn’t worth it

[umbral solar]

That's more of a gem rates problem than a problem with him being permanent, and "he's permanent" is a shit excuse to begin with. But i get what ur saying

[umbral solar]

"Some people" is just netherresonant and the devs id imagine

[pine nest]

[ember siren]

A cyan dude too maybe...

[umbral solar]

No unit in the game is gonna last long enough to justify a 220+ hour long grind ASSUMING you have monarch sasuke, rukia, 2 rukia memorias both with joat/divinity and paid afks

[ember siren]

If you ignore the alu mem and alu, gem memorias are now added, eventually the need for gems will be increased since theyre practically the "2nd part of units psv"

[umbral solar]

From now on every quest vanguard should require a 1/10k stage drop, which is fair since they're permanent and since they're not needed for most content.

[ember siren]

Each stage will take 20m to encourage "activeness" over "afk"

[distant swallow]

bro even i think we need better gem methods

I hate how abysmal grinding gems is

I just wasn't really as affected by the situation because I already had alucard and pulled the memoria with like 16k off pity. Like I wouldn't have been upset if I had to go to pity on it, but I'd still wish there were better gem methods

[pine nest]

oh yeah and i havent even seen anyone mention that ideally u want 3-4 alu mems cuz its meta on like all main dps

[craggy epoch]

The only problem is alucard

I've said this before but id rather not inflate gems 😭

[civic reef]

staffs?

those aint staffs 💔

even testers have hard time to make some talking to devs about changes in game if any at all

[torn spear]

i did over 100 clears on makima overnight and barely got any gems considering its 30 only regardless of difficulty

[torn spear]

i don’t even have a single stage for him done cause 25 stages in a single day for 10 days is a bit much if you ask me

[floral cliff]

Holy fucking cooking, you need to be promoted

[silver junco]

I helped write that btw

[civic reef]

write what

[floral cliff]

ur smart too then

[indigo steeple]

Wouldnt event still give way more rrs than cid even with a x2 gems?

I dont think the devs are changing the rrs farm anytime soon

[spare sluice]

Btw guys what methods are y’all using to get gems ?

[torn spear]

makima map/was using boss raids until it got cycled into the eren one and i got no clue how to afk it

i can’t actively be on the game managing my farms cuz im a semi busy person

[spare sluice]

Was doing the same boss raid but got swapped

[torn spear]

i got lucky and rolled alucard this morning even though i was going for reze

[spare sluice]

Same here so currently am doing Inf first 10 waves

[civic reef]

I mean you can just buy portal for legacy coins

[spare sluice]

Congrats bro me still struggling

[torn spear]

no chance i can set up a afk method for that hk

unless i can restart within it without using another portal

[torn spear]

i also gotta get his memoria which sucks

[civic reef]

what was the previous boss event for the "method"

[spare sluice]

I have to grind both

[torn spear]

i would just have my units auto it then set up a auto replay before it was added

[civic reef]

Then I dont see issue with just buying portal and going to the stage that isnt rumbling

[torn spear]

did you not that i said i cant afk it cuz i cant manage it myself

💔

[civic reef]

wdym bro, just buy portal use it and set autoplay

[torn spear]

the whole point of a farm is that you can benefit from it without having to manage it for long periods of time

[torn spear]

does it just let me replay infinitely ?

[civic reef]

Yes

[torn spear]

okay couldve clarified on that lowkey

[civic reef]

as long as you dont leave the game, then you need to buy again

[civic reef]

thought its known my bad

[torn spear]

can i set it to nightmare or not

[civic reef]

I guess people dont use it that much since boss event wasnt updated for a while now

[torn spear]

im still pretty new btw

[civic reef]

not sure

[torn spear]

thats why i dont know a handful of stuff

[spare sluice]

Yo dude you can just afk inf till wave 10 and replay it continuously it’s gives 100 gems in 3:20 mins so I think it’s better then boss rush

[torn spear]

boss rush has a shop

[spare sluice]

Oh ye I wiped it clean so it’s no use now 😔

[civic reef]

well if boss rush shop the method then the portal is no use since you cant get the shop if its not in rotation

[torn spear]

true

[bold whale]

bump

[ember siren]

"Workers" then to better said, I used staff since theyre technically part of the team, just in different roles which I thought

[torn spear]

isnt staff the general term for people who work under the same line

[ember siren]

P much

Staff - people who work for a particular place. So p much people like bug hunters/testers/qh are staffs

[torn spear]

✅

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[civic reef]

by definition sure, but here they have very little to none saying about the game sadly, especially testers

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[lucid turtle]

Guys before we get pity memoria and alucard pity alucard gonna get powercreeped

I mean if dont afk geind cid raid for weeks with monarchs and with some programs that is imagine based imo

[vapid raft]

delta method:

[lucid turtle]

Delta method?

[vapid raft]

delta with 5 rare units in limitless odyssey give you around 170k gems daily, doesnt req much setup like cid raidn

[floral cliff]

lemme guess, 170k gems IF you farm for a whole day

[wild lantern]

ofc

[vapid raft]

no bro, you get 170k every 6 minutes

bro really expect to get 170k gems in less than a day 😭

[umbral solar]

You would expect that to be obtainable in a significantly smaller amount of time when the requirement for just the memoria is 800k but alas

[floral cliff]

I'd expect it to be obtainable every like at MAX 9 hours. Anything past that is delusional

[vapid raft]

that can only be possible if the devs want to cause a massive gems inflation

[ember siren]

Thats unfortunate

[vapid raft]

and we know what happend if a game inflate a currency too much

[fervent latch]

???

[floral cliff]

Then they better do something about the pity

because we cant ignore the minority like that 😭

[woeful knoll]

There isn’t even really a good way to do this that doesn’t break the gem economy for people who afk grind already, the only good way is afk chamber buff or complete rework entirely or some ridiculously gimmicky stage that doesn’t gut a “casual” player to get more gems than Cid act 2 in 40 seconds just make units balanced and team diversified instead of whatever they js did with Alucard and Kafka

even then people complain “i can’t use afk chamber cause I’m mobile”

At the end of the day it’s up to luck vs afking

[floral cliff]

i lowkey had an argument and my friends whole defence was just, who cares about the small % of players that cant afk the game

[woeful knoll]

There’s quite a few people who mobile only

Not really sure how they can get around this honestly, cause mobile is fried as a whole on every TD game imo that has some method to afk

[floral cliff]

i say that unfairness btw

[woeful knoll]

I mean I can just leave my phone turned on overnight and sit in afk chamber with it plugged in but most people for some reason can’t

[floral cliff]

depends on the device, financial situation and time.

So ignoring the 40% of players that CANT afk is extremely judgemental

[woeful knoll]

Make a mobile only gamemode then lol

[floral cliff]

Td games are afk simulators, sure, but holy 300+ hours for a unit is idiotic in itself

do YOu genuienly wanna afk for that much time? I personally dont. Thats why the devs need to dos mth lowkey

[hollow snow]

even if the gem gain tripled there'd be no major difference to gameplay

or any at all

[woeful knoll]

I have 17 alucards in 6~ mil gems and 3 alucard memoria within maybe 3 days

it’s all just luck

[floral cliff]

i got 0 alucards in 3,4m gems and 0 memorias since update came out

i got monarch SHINY ichigo, monarch reze, monarch denji, monarch sasuke instead

SINCE release of this update btw.

[hollow snow]

i tried to tell them

[floral cliff]

That is true

i mean do you KNOW how devastated i was when i heard it was 1m gems for the unit? Idec about the memoria, ive been hunting the unit since d1 and i get the chance ruined by an AFK method

[woeful knoll]

with this alt I got 2 alucards just from afk chamber as well 😭 there is like no good way to cater to casual players except make mobile specific modes and casual specific modes or remove the rng entirely and just make difficult quests or sum

[floral cliff]

Ok so i got one simple question for you.

[woeful knoll]

[floral cliff]

Literally how in the ever living fuck did you get -300 cakes

[vale cliff]

just give us salter + saber vf instead son

[woeful knoll]

They robbed me

[floral cliff]

bro WHO

[woeful knoll]

Pyseph

[floral cliff]

did the devs TAX you??

atleast tell me you actually care for the small % that cant afk the game for 24 hours every day for 10 days

[woeful knoll]

They taxed me as soon as update ended icl idk what happened though I do wish the AV devs would make difficult quest units anyways that can be done traitless only

and solo only or scaling that fits it

[vapid raft]

reducing the pity is the only good way to deal with it situation ngl, more gems will cause more issues in the future

[vapid raft]

holy idiot
ad had gem inflation and the only way they could make players not finish the upd in 1 hour was making new summon currency

which the ratio was 10k gems for 10x pull

[floral cliff]

as before the update, i said they should make a SOFT pity, in other words, gems you spent = set % of increased luck for alucard, ONCE. Thats it. And THAt would make things way easier

[vapid raft]

that sound like a good idea ngl but sadly most people just want more gems so they can afk more 🔥

[civic reef]

instead of pity?

[hollow snow]

you say this like AV doesnt already make new currencies every 2-3 months for events

[floral cliff]

Atp, no. Just added on the side for a one time BOOSTER for him. Pity would have been cool if not ruined by the sheer amount of grind its needed

[civic reef]

did you make suggestion about it

[floral cliff]

I havent, should i?

[civic reef]

Yeah

[floral cliff]

Yk it cant be a high booster. Like it cant be 1% for every 100k because that would make the unit TOO easy too get, as mucha s 1% is easy in this game

[woeful knoll]

reduce it by half or sum like that

[vapid raft]

by half?

[woeful knoll]

gems shouldn’t be buffed anywhere except afk chamber and not a good amount

[civic reef]

yeah obviously, but I still like that idea

[floral cliff]

wba this?

[civic reef]

how long is 1mln gem grind

[floral cliff]

This is for existing spent gems

[civic reef]

Oh yeah

[woeful knoll]

I mean I want it to be rare, but people can’t even sit in afk chamber for a week or do 4 hours of odyssey / cid raid a day or elemental towers

[floral cliff]

Not for how much you spend after pity, but it does count towards it

[vapid raft]

one is limited and another permanent and the limited already have issues with the amount you get

[floral cliff]

so i personally would be at 3,45% chance for alucard

which i would be happy with.

[swift bronze]

4.5% is better than the current 0.005% 🤔

[floral cliff]

Exactly!

[civic reef]

Yeah make suggestion about this

[floral cliff]

its not something that makes it too easy to get, but its something that can hlep us get it faster

and since it only applies once, it makes it easier for people that DONT have it, get it!

[swift bronze]

woulda preferred a system like that in the first place over a hard pity

[woeful knoll]

real

[floral cliff]

ong?

[vapid raft]

it is actually really balanced and fair, i like it

[swift bronze]

if it included past gems spent, yeah

[floral cliff]

im so smart man istg

[floral cliff]

Lemme go make a suggestion.

[hollow snow]

okay so like tell me actual gamebreaking problems that would happen if the current gem gain tripled

[woeful knoll]

💀 700k gems a day buddy

[civic reef]

so gem infaltion is not a problem now?

it surely is

[swift bronze]

you do realize that gem inflation directly leads to trait inflation in the current game right

shinies are one of the main sources of traits rn for many

[woeful knoll]

just remove normalizing units if ur gonna do ts

[vapid raft]

erza my friend, you more intelligent than it

[hollow snow]

this already happens and its not because of gems, people can easily save up 50 million presents or more

[woeful knoll]

epics and legendary units:

[swift bronze]

alright, I gotta dip for class but if you make a suggestion on this, I'll ⭐ it fs

not too sure about the numbers specifically, I'd have to see how the cumulative pity works out when dealing with an increasing drop chance but it sounds good on paper as an idea

[floral cliff]

made it

[hollow snow]

oh the horror, people get 100 extra rerolls after farming gems for 20 hours

[woeful knoll]

This guy doesn’t remember anniversary it seems

People hit over 30k rrs during that event

Yet you want to turn Cid raid into the new anniversary 💀

I can already tell you a player who uses shiny hunter and waits till 2x shiny earning 700k gems per day (you suggested this), will make well over 3k rrs in under 2-3 weeks

[vale cliff]

rrs ig

I don’t think they’ll increase gem gain atp, atleast not intentionally or by much

[woeful knoll]

afk chamber gem increase is all I’d be down for icl

[hollow snow]

150 every minute to 450 every minute

[vale cliff]

that would give ~180 rrs a day lol

[hollow snow]

wont even be as close to as bad as anni im ngl

[woeful knoll]

700k gems a day

[hollow snow]

its weird to me how everyone is gonna give me a side eye when i think gem gain should be increased to keep up with units and memorias but when the christmas event can get you 50m no one cares at all

[hollow snow]

wow so that makes alucard and his memoria a 72 hour grind lol

OH the horror

[woeful knoll]

Just remove pity entirely if you wanna be like that

remove normalizing units too

[vale cliff]

I feel like a lot of people want gem gain increased but it’s an unrealistic ask

[woeful knoll]

iirc you can make 3-5k rrs a month just farming cid raid rn with current gem rate and waiting for 2x shiny, though winter is obviously more

[vale cliff]

more gems = more rrs = less money for them

at the end of the day they’re a business that relies on money like any other

[vale cliff]

yeah, anything more would be even worse for them

and that’s only if you do it constantly which is barely anyone

[woeful knoll]

mainly just people who farm and use RDP on alts icl, it was already a mistake having alts trade 400 shinies to their main after events end

thankfully you can’t do that for Winter

[vale cliff]

yeah
I feel like they’re not gonna make gems easier atp ngl

[woeful knoll]

pretty sure there was a player who traded 2400 shinies to their main after fall event ended

[pine nest]

Well they shouldn’t balance the game around afking since not everyone does it

Frankly just a bad decision from their perspective

[restive pawn]

If people are worried about gems being too OP for farming shinies why don’t we just… lower pity…

Ngl memoria pity shouldn’t even go away after you hit it that should only be a unit thing

[woeful knoll]

js reduce them to half and make pity increase every time you get them or go and do the pity suggestion #1479216245281783808 message

I want a rare unit though that isn’t serialized icl

Though everything is too hard for the average person who only plays one hour a day

Maybe even just a difficult quest unit that is traitless only and solo or sum idk

[restive pawn]

Only pities in the game I’m worried about currently are memoria, I can understand the frustration of ppl who don’t have Alocard but he should take a bit to get since he’s a unit and I have 13 already so 🫠

[woeful knoll]

Yeah I got 17 alucard as well total

barely even play the game

[restive pawn]

Granted I’m about to hit 10M gems spent total so 💀

[woeful knoll]

I’m 5-6 mil

[restive pawn]

Damn you mog me 😭

[woeful knoll]

I get mogged by everyone else when it comes to serial rukia though

[restive pawn]

I’m starting to farm currency again for 2x, I spent like 80M last update ima try to have up 100M before 2x

[woeful knoll]

They should add the feature where the more gems you spend the easier it is to get the memoria and resets each time you get it instead of a hard pity but icl I only want this change for memoria

[restive pawn]

Most memoria lock 2 whole passives form being used on a unit there’s no reason whatsoever they should be hard to obtain

Or at least as hard as the unit

[woeful knoll]

Alucards is miles better than Rukia’s unfortunately

but I have 9 rukia memoria so

[restive pawn]

Right after I got divinity too 🥀

[woeful knoll]

I mean I’m fine with Alucards memoria being good cause it’s permanent as they said, but the average person who doesn’t even farm more than an hour barely makes 20k gems a day 💀

[restive pawn]

I’m only halfway on memoria pity for him

[maiden oar]

yea man you are definetly right gems are so hard to get rn

[woeful knoll]

I hit his pity day 1 on update just by doing elemental towers and cid raid

[maiden oar]

if they make gems atleast a bit easier to obtain cuz afking for days in cid raid just to get one memoria is lil bit alot

[restive pawn]

I was a fool and blew 200k gems not on his banner

[woeful knoll]

Also why do people think afking cid raid takes weeks, it takes like 1 week max to hit pity on alucard from cid raid rn

you make 230k gems per day

[restive pawn]

1 week of no winter 😔

[maiden oar]

1.2m gems for alucard and then the same amount for his memoria is just absurd

[woeful knoll]

800k gems for his memoria

[woeful knoll]

so 10 days total for both Alucard and his memoria

[maiden oar]

10 days grinding non stop

[woeful knoll]

do elemental towers

[maiden oar]

yea but they are really hard unless you have alot of monarchs

[subtle stream]

why do u think that should be a reasonable method of grinding gems when thats not even the intended function of that gamemode lol

[woeful knoll]

120k gems per like 5 hours on elemental tower, just get people to carry you since you can solo now to wave 40 with mostly every unit except nature probably

[subtle stream]

with alucard as the dps btw

[woeful knoll]

Sasuke exists too yk

[subtle stream]

he was good with the makima bug which is now patched

[maiden oar]

and sasuke takes minimum of 10 days grinding

[woeful knoll]

He’s still good 💀 1:15 clears

[subtle stream]

u cannot get to floor 40 solo on each tower except nature if thats what ur saying

[maiden oar]

then you grind 10 more days for alu and memoria

unless you are really lucky

[woeful knoll]

I solo’d omni to 45, solo’d curse to 40 as well

Unbound is even easier now

[subtle stream]

needing him monarch still doesnt make it an appropriate method to grind gems, it should be intuitive, the casual player wont know they need sasuke monarch to grind gems and to know cid raid on top of that too

[subtle stream]

ur not doing that with every element though

[woeful knoll]

So basically you want a method to get alucard in 5 days with no good units or decent traits

[subtle stream]

the devs intend the game to be for the casual player so u tell me g

[woeful knoll]

just ask for an afk chamber buff atp

[maiden oar]

the winter event was good cus you can play game manually not afk it and get rukia

still takes hours but not days

the reason why winter event was kind of really good av comeback is that it wasnt that hard to get rukia you still need to grind but you dont need to afk few days

[woeful knoll]

Make a gem event then for an update or remove shiny normalization and buff gem currency and make mythics slightly rarer

[subtle stream]

5 days of manual grinding is not = to actually 5 days, if u have a life and are busy to a normal degree chances are it might take u a month if u dedicate like an hour to solely grinding gems with this potential gamemode and not even touching the update content or anything else

[subtle stream]

bro threw in shiny normalization for the hell of it

[woeful knoll]

we make 4k rrs a month rn off gems and cid raid

[subtle stream]

who is we bro lol

[maiden oar]

i mean normalization is good but if they want to make really good gems farm method they should nerf it

[umbral solar]

Too bad you can't use those gems to actually get shinies for the time being gang

[woeful knoll]

anyone who afks cid raid and has 2x shiny gamepass

[woeful knoll]

most def

[subtle stream]

idk about 4k rrs a month bro everything ur saying is like if u just did that and nothing else but thats not how ur avg player obviously plays the game

[umbral solar]

800k gem pity for a memoria when the best farm makes like 10k an hour with the prerequisite for said farm being atleast 2 monarch units and 2 rukia mems is absurd

[woeful knoll]

I ended up with a little over 13k rrs after 3 months of just odyssey

[subtle stream]

bro said 3 months

ur the outlier here, no regular person is spending 3 months playing odyssey

[woeful knoll]

this was done in like 2 weeks with anniversary though so

Maybe if they remove shiny units from epic and legends it wouldn’t be so bad

[subtle stream]

everything ur saying is not how the casual player plays the game and thats who the devs are trying to target

[maiden oar]

2 rrs for shiny epic/leg would be good

cus shinies of epics and legs are useless

[woeful knoll]

Casual players are people who only spend 1-3 hours a day and don’t afk for more than 4 hours 💀

maybe not even an hour a day

more like 2 hours a week is the actual casual player due to jobs

though I see no reason why people can’t just sit in afk chamber except financial situations

level 11 alt from afk chamber only has 2 alucard, 1 alucard memoria, and every vanguard from all updates

[subtle stream]

yeah man idk what to say except thats what the devs try to gear the game towards and rn it is not geared towards them

[woeful knoll]

they just need to buff afk chamber gem gain or make more quests lol

mobile specific quests as well

[maiden oar]

i mean its 9k gems per night as i remeber when i afk for rogita

[subtle stream]

ive said it before and ill stick behind it i think a damage task like old astd was good for gems, it worked for them idk why it wouldnt work here

[maiden oar]

its nothing 4 50x

a little bit less

[woeful knoll]

yeah i mean 1 hour of cid raid = 6+ hours of afk chamber

[maiden oar]

not everyone can afk cid raid

cuz you still need to get monarch on him and his vf which takes a minimum of 10 days

[woeful knoll]

true those who don’t have sasuke or alucard or escanor or reze can’t do much at all

[subtle stream]

afk'ing cid raid isnt easy either without the certain things yk what im talking about bro lol

[umbral solar]

It'd take legit months to get alu and his mem off of afk chamber

[woeful knoll]

yeah they need to buff it

[umbral solar]

Or maybe they just need to make the pity not 800k gems

[woeful knoll]

just half it for first memoria and make it increase 100k gems each time you get it or sum like that 💀

[umbral solar]

It's not like the memoria gatekeeps the best unit in the game and you'd ideally want like 4 of it on your team

[woeful knoll]

Though no average player is gonna grind Cid raid for a month, even though you get 4.1~ million gems only afking 12 hours

they need to js buff gems in afk chamber or quests and lower memoria pity both

[floral cliff]

Orrrr, soft pity..~

I think that would be better than boosting

[woeful knoll]

yeah aka your suggestion

[floral cliff]

Yuhhhh

No but really, it's hard to make gem obtsimment higher

[woeful knoll]

realistically I think current gem gain is fine everywhere except afk chamber

afk chamber could use a 2-3x buff on gems

8k gems per night is diabolical

or hear me out make actual fun obtainment methods for memoria and vanguards that isn’t “place unit here, win, repeat” / “get lucky”

make a traitless stage of absolute doom 🗿

just so then people can complain about skill issue instead of not being able to afk / put enough time into the game

or js getting flat out unlucky

[maiden oar]

i would rather play and struggle than afk for days

[manic lily]

you know what they should bring back paragon trust

[umbral solar]

I think everyone would

[woeful knoll]

i think we all would lol

[manic lily]

just like heavily rework it

[maiden oar]

yea but not that one bug

i dont really remember how much you could gain for an hour from paragon with this bug but its was alot

[manic lily]

yeah I don’t remember either but I think the max I saw was like 10k from one stage
which is actually pretty decent especially considering the pity for alucard but it probably takes way too long to get to that stage

the fact that you have to beat 200 elemental stages just to reach the memoria pity is actually insane

especially when that is the best source of gems

[maiden oar]

pretty sure its impossible

unless you have every unit in game with monarch

[manic lily]

yeah ik I was just emphasizing the stupidity of how the rates are

[maiden oar]

i dont know why devs think that we enjoy afking for days just to get one memoria

rrs were the problem before but they made alot of ways to obtain tons of rrs and community was happy with this but now we need better gem farm

[woeful knoll]

just need 4 players with deadeye all around and nami w her memoria for like everything but water and nature probably unsure about Passion/Holy as well but I heard ragna dio and monkey king clear easily with 4 players even if they were all deadeye every since rukia memoria was added

but unbound needs alu ofc

[maiden oar]

i mean why would i roll of my monarch just for elemental tower its just an examply if peoplee have monarch on dio or jin mori

its not worth it in most acses you need

[woeful knoll]

deadeye is just for those who can’t get monarch lol

[maiden oar]

still you need rrs and if ur unlucky 400 rrs is kinda laot

[woeful knoll]

me rotting away with 20k rrs from anniversary

winter is the new rr method as well

[maiden oar]

i mean casual av player not afking anni event for months

[woeful knoll]

i got those in like 2 weeks

[maiden oar]

they just cant do it

[woeful knoll]

or well i hit 10k rrs in 2 weeks

[maiden oar]

you can buy cloud phone/pc i know

[woeful knoll]

I used tiny task on my anniversary for 6-8 hours a day when I went to sleep

but anniversary was harder than winter cause you needed units

winter is pretty easy just manually grinding icl, most players should have 2k rrs bare minimum if they grinded at least 3 days (not full days) on 2x presents over the 60 day course and spent on 2x shiny event

40 mil currency got me 1.7k rrs or so

[maiden oar]

i cant afk with my pc sadly i tried to do it in cloud phone but it was jsut buggy ash

cus i used kaguya for it i didnt know which units are good to use for it

[woeful knoll]

like cant use tiny task due to fps or something else?

[maiden oar]

and i just gave up after that act 7 wasnt a choice to afk

[maiden oar]

nah my pc is really good i cant cuz i live in hotel with my aunt and i cant leave my pc to just af k my pc is kinda noisy

sorry if anything is wrong english is not my native language

[woeful knoll]

Mmm I see

[cosmic patrol]

Living in a hotel seems kinda cool

[maiden oar]

yea but not when u live in bad location i need to go 30 minutes by bus just to go to the shop

theres literally nothing around this hotel the only river and thats it

[cosmic patrol]

Oh dam

Wait why is there even a hotel there then🤔

[maiden oar]

i dont know man😭

[cosmic patrol]

Why the fuck is there an X on this

[ember hull]

OP has the right spirit, suggestion was executed like dogshit

This game has bigger problems than just "oh hurr durr alucard memorias pull rate is low"

[cosmic patrol]

True

Like what tho

[manic lily]

Memorias in general

Such a dogshit way to implement them into the game

[cosmic patrol]

Ye they can’t be powecreeping them

[ember hull]

Devs have generally been half-assing developing this game (Level Editor is a prime example)

[cosmic patrol]

Well ye cosmetics are also not here still

[ember hull]

There's also other things like how tf did Erzas quest stay bugged for weeks

Why do UIs feel so incomplete

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[frank folio]

Bump

[cunning sierra]

Why is this still up

[fervent latch]

?

[cunning sierra]

This post should have been taken down

[spare sluice]

Bump

[umbral solar]

That mand guy might be a genuine ai, I've never seen him form a single sentence that made any sense whatsoever

[umbral solar]

The 2 biggest gameplay problems this update by far are the alucard obtainment and the increasing essence stone requirments

Literally the 2 biggest complains about the community too because theyre the most blatant example of the devs doing something nobody agrees with and then burrowing their hand in the sand

[cosmic patrol]

He’s legit said one thing

And dipped

[spare sluice]

Bump

[molten granite]

Bump

The least the devs can do to respond to these suggestions is be transparent

[next yarrow]

You would not complaining like this if u had alucard

[spare sluice]

Bump

[willow hamlet]

they should bring up the most voted ones in the stage rather than doing the dumb questions that everyone knows the answer to

[lucid turtle]

Guys chill next update alucard gonna get powercreep anyway by ichigoat av is becoming als slowly but surely

Not resources wise but dps wise

[willow hamlet]

bro and why the hell are they not increasing essence stone caps the reason they gave was os buns

[lucid turtle]

It is what it is av devs barely lisen suggestion and this is a fact isnt something might be real or might be not

[molten granite]

Alucard owners also complain about the memoria pity soooo

If someone doesnt complain really they are unique or just got lucky and got it early

[molten granite]

Not that sure if hes gonna get out dps by ichigo

[willow hamlet]

i have 3 alucards idm i dont have the memoria i’ll get it eventually but holy his memoria powercreeping rukias an update after is crazy

[next yarrow]

I got it before they added the pity

[lucid turtle]

He better be and anyway if he doesnt but is close enough ichigo doesnt need that much work

[molten granite]

I got it before too and yet to complete his kit i need to get his memoria

[willow hamlet]

they need to release more support vanguards like rukia not too op but game changers

[lucid turtle]

Alucard dps and best support in game

Not so expensive like rukia too

[molten granite]

Whats worse is that after u get pity on his memoria or get him early you realize you need more since his memoria has the best stat boost

[willow hamlet]

bro i made a suggestion about this

bro i got 3 rukia memorias all for it to be sub par literally an update after

[lucid turtle]

Since is out for a year they should give one free to anyone started in first 2 updates or who spent about 500k-700k gems since before there wasnt pityr

[lucid turtle]

Good just on escanor nowdays and escanor already got powercreeped

[molten granite]

Fr bro

[willow hamlet]

im too far into pity to not go for divinity too

[willow hamlet]

i spent 1.7m for him

[molten granite]

500-700k is mid for other players considering some spent close to 3-5 million gems

Now people can just buy bundles w gems (ion recall if theres some) or afk slop

[molten granite]

Escanor just might make another comeback in 11.5 if they make another stupid choice and powercreep memorias more

[lucid turtle]

So yeah devs do dps powercreep but resources wise they dont change anything and make grind thing for get good things in new updates like monarchs/memorias take too much that looks like dont even worth "invest" in a unit if after a month (in that month there is nothing new to do) we get better units to get and isnt like something optional if new unit does like 2m edps and previous units do barely 300k edps and are way more expensive and every updste you need atleast 1500 rerolls if you arent lucky to get monarch and you need roll on memoria too

Whats the point get monarch on someone and get good memoria and stats if update after we get someone better which still need 0.1 like always cuz without monarch a unit isnt nearly close to someone with it

Im fine with a close powercreep but if I need change units every 1/2 updates let me have more resources without grind 24/7 with some "programs" that farm for me

[subtle stream]

Doesn’t invalidate the concerns of the post though

[spare sluice]

I really wish the dev at least speak abt this

[lucid turtle]

Technically low rate is the problem of this game 0.1% on 2 things same thing for the powercreep alucard low rate is a problem if hes the best unit in game

Low rates might not be the biggest problem but one of them for sure

[subtle stream]

yes but thats what a pity is for, and yet it doesnt help that the resources to get it in the first place are still hard to obtain in the amount u need for pity

[lucid turtle]

Thats why low rate is a problem

If was higher the pity would be lower

But higher chance to not pity it

If is 0.004% you most likely gonna pity it

Unless luck and if you dont ggs skip alucard cuz is better for your mental health grind braindead gems farm

Just skip he will eventually get nerfed OR powercreeped anyway

[manic lily]

I’ve had alucard (ever since release) with monarch and I also got a dupe of him prior to the update and I can still say that these pities are shitty

[spare sluice]

Bump T-T

[dusky karma]

the powercreep is actually insane now in the game, they gotta fix it cuz units barely survive one update unless its a vanguard

[lyric crown]

One update is a little exaggerated even then that’s not accounting for the time actually spent between updates

Powercreep does exist though and it’s def rampant

[dusky karma]

one piece units got power crept look at shanks now he was all the way at the top and with one update he got knocked down by like 6 places

[lyric crown]

Still an exaggeration to say one update

[dusky karma]

not rlly

[lyric crown]

Yeah really

Now if you said 2 then you’d be pretty accurate

[dusky karma]

tierlist only has units from this update vanguards and 2 pirate units

[lucid turtle]

1 update no but 2 most likely

[dusky karma]

besides buffers and supports

[lyric crown]

Yeah my point exactly

[dusky karma]

alr but u get my point

[lucid turtle]

which is still crazy expecially cuz a support is top 1 DPS

[lyric crown]

Yeah 100%

Alucard is a bit too crazy hell I even thought ainz was too much when he came out

[dusky karma]

like how is makima doing more dmg than some vangaurds

same with denji

[lucid turtle]

lisen me powercreep is "fine" if we have resources to stay up the powercreep if we barely have resources and powercreep become insane av become als p2

[lyric crown]

Still a ways to go from that ngl

[dusky karma]

I used up all my essence stones and stat chips last update and the update before

[lyric crown]

Meh units being stronger are bound to happen for most of em

[dusky karma]

I only have 5 rainbow stones left

[lyric crown]

Same but I just grinded more rainbows

And “manually” farmed a legend stage for a spare 125 green

[lucid turtle]

see we barely have any rrs as f2p unless grind 24/7 which only happen if you have some "programs" i cant say name cuz yk censure

[dusky karma]

I had over 700 norm stat chips and 500 super and I used them all up now I have only 60 stat chips

[lyric crown]

Ok stat chips I SUPER agree on I spend around that much too

[lucid turtle]

just asking how much you grinded for them and how much time did it take/you save them?

[lyric crown]

I managed to spare enough for my 4 extra rukia copies just for alucard’s to trivialize it

That’s a powercreep that irked me

[lucid turtle]

lets hope they dont do ichigo dirty just for keep alucard on top

[lyric crown]

I grinded doflamingo raid and saved from the first week of winter

[lyric crown]

Hope they’ll be relevant but not directly over

[dusky karma]

myb i got muted but I had 100 super and 200 saved

I bought more from whitebeard raid and doflamingo

[lyric crown]

Oh I forgot to say my thoughts on the initial suggestion lol

Kinda disagree on the 2x drop rate, the soft pity suggestion is the way better option imo.

Same argument as the last

16 pity is a meh from me it’s not hard just annoying no use in making it easier

Same argument as first

I can get behind it

Same thing

Disagree on the stones

[spare sluice]

I do think ye soft pity is better idea cuz the key issue is people not being able to get alucard due to lack of gems and time to grind

[indigo steeple]

Yknow the whole purpose of a soft pity is boosting the chances a lot at around ~80% progress towards hard pity so most players dont need to reach pity right

His suggestion literally makes Alucard chances x20 after just 100k gems 😭

Giving it for free atp

[lyric crown]

Yeah I meant it in more of a way that’s better allocated

I agree with the general idea more so

[indigo steeple]

I honestly dont care what they do

Just do something 😭

The soft pity idea is really cool but needs to be added properly, neither too broken neither useless

[ember hull]

I'd rather have them just not do a one time pity on the memoria

it makes sense with the unit, not with the memoria

[indigo steeple]

Thats also a thing, you need several memorias

If you check the wiki, alu mem is the optimal one for almost everyone 😭

They cant treat cards like whole units man

[ember hull]

I hate how the wiki does shit with the TL

[indigo steeple]

I mean what can they do? Its the truth sadly

Alu mem has the highest stats and best main passive among all mems

[ember hull]

I wish they'd reccomend alternative memoria

[dusky karma]

lowkey wish they didnt add memorias

[fervent latch]

[cyan needle]

Don’t worry guys

Alucard’s memoria will get replaced by Ichigo’s memoria

And that one will get replaced by the next vanguard memoria

[ember hull]

he'll have 3,000 base DMG instead of 2,800

it'll get the morons rolling divinity trust

[vast chasm]

Yes YES

I mean bro this is crazy

I ran out of 30 rainbow essence in seconds

Cuz of this memoria bullshit

Casual here

Yea It's a hell let me tell you

[vast chasm]

Bro I'm basically stuck

I have no essences because of this now

[cunning sierra]

Wth are we talking about

[cunning sierra]

There’s so much contradictory in this post ✌️

[vast chasm]

I guess. essences, pitys, gems

[cunning sierra]

How is essences an issue

[vast chasm]

Because of this memoria thing

[cunning sierra]

It doesn’t even cost that much…

Winter event is more than enough

Back in my days, we day 1 would do anything for devs to put in a pity. Now yall be complaining 😭

[hollow snow]

needing to evolve memorias doubled the amount of essences you have to spend, its like every update is the anni unit now where you need to evolve 11 things

[vast chasm]

True

[hollow snow]

you cant even argue "you dont need to evolve them" because the memorias are necessary for units kits

[vast chasm]

Just Imagine evolving 5 units + 5 memorias

[cunning sierra]

That’s not even an issue with the amount of essence you can get from shops and stuff

[vast chasm]

Oh shit

[cunning sierra]

I’m not arguing that point, just saying it’s not even a problem considering there’s a surplus of essences to be collected

Compared to how av been, there so much qol. Instead of complaining how we’re being treated, take down tis post and actually move for genuine change

[hollow snow]

depends, a lot of essences you can get from shops is a limited amount, like doffys raid or the winter shop. theyre nice but its still not exactly enough since theyre only green essences and not others 😭

[hollow snow]

huh 💀

[vast chasm]

Take down this post?

this gotta be ragebait

[cunning sierra]

Yeah

As far as I can tell, most of comments so far are just complaining

[inner lion]

450 STARS why dont they just accept this?

[vast chasm]

Yea bro fr

[cunning sierra]

In lieu of venting, yall need come up with something innovative that’ll satisfies the needs of them hungry players and make the game manageable

[vast chasm]

Fr

[hollow snow]

but are the complaints unreasonable

[vast chasm]

Bro you are the only one who dislikes this

Cmon bro

[hollow snow]

theres also the fact that its encouraged to get and evolve multiple of the same memoria, like how one piece units should be using aokiji's memoria

so the amount of essences i needed to spend more than tripled these past few weeks

[vast chasm]

Yes

Alucards memoria for broly is also very op

Especially with alucard and his stuff

[cunning sierra]

Complaints are fine, but words without motivations and plan are nothing but words

[molten granite]

Bump

[molten granite]

How do we move for genuine change

Also whats ur point w the “words without motivations and plan are nothing but words”

[hollow snow]

then i dont think you understand the point of the suggestion 😭
-its way too hard to keep up with units because of all the essences you need due to the inclusion of memoria, it also makes team building much harder and complicated
-farming for units and memoria separately is stupid (its like youre grinding for one half of makima in one stage and the other half in another)
-its way too hard to get alucard and his memoria for the casual player because you need a ridiculous amount of gems but theres no good enough gem farming methods (and again, its encouraged to get multiple of his memoria because its WAY too valuable)

[vast chasm]

True

450+ stars in what one week?

[molten granite]

I bet for the last point you have someone will still repeatedly say “oh just do cid raid” or “just do limitless odyssey”

[vast chasm]

People are desparate for this which is valid

[molten granite]

Top 1 for awhile too

Soon its gonna get closed down by a random mod or dev probably

[vast chasm]

u might also need image based one for both too

yk what I mean

[hollow snow]

its even just alucards memoria that'll be hard to keep up with as well, its the fact i also need to spend on average 40k gems to get all the materials for ONE unit now as well

40k gems, 1500 rrs, 1000 memoria rrs, 100+ essences, its fucking terrible

[molten granite]

By the time casual players got alucard’s memoria it alr fell off

[cyan needle]

Ichigo’s vanguard memoria will be everyone’s new best once it drops watch 😭

[molten granite]

All your saved up materials gone in one update

Back to grinding again nonstop after completing the update!

[hollow snow]

the grind for that is gonna be insane as well i know it 😭

[subtle stream]

guys what do u mean u dont want to spend the entire update grinding for resources and only have enough when the new update drops and realize you have to do it all again??

[molten granite]

Then its gonna get powercrept by a fucking 12.0 memoria

[hollow snow]

the player count is gonna drop quick and we're all gonna know why 😭

[cyan needle]

Exactly the memoria system as it is rn is so dumb

[lament ore]

the powercreep is definitely a little out of hand imo

when it comes to mems

[molten granite]

Instead of using stat boosts powercreeping they should just add more to the passives or sum

[cyan needle]

Memorias legit serve 0 purpose outside of just being stat sticks for a lot of units

[molten granite]

Im broke of stat rerolls because of the memorias bro 😭

[subtle stream]

they need to focus on vfams more than memorias imo, get rid of the necessity to use birbs and use vfams to give units more utility with unique passives

[molten granite]

YES bro

[vast chasm]

Evolution for it: 50 greens, 30 red essences, 4 rainbows

[hollow snow]

its gonna be more 😭

[cyan needle]

On the tier list Reze, Acheron, and power all want the alucard memoria even though they have their own specific memoria like make it make sense bro 😭

[molten granite]

Considering the game’s evo that shit aint even that high bro 😭

I evolved a toji copy i had and it had like 14 essences or sum each

[subtle stream]

yeah thats a big problem too lol

[cyan needle]

And this is AFTER Ichigo takes max of every essence to EVO

[subtle stream]

even the own memorias for some units just have barely any attention paid to them so their passives are so bad you might as well just use a higher base stat one so it can do more damage

[vast chasm]

Fr bro

[cyan needle]

So stupid that they even have stats to roll on. It was already bad enough that they evolved and had traits

[molten granite]

Literally broly evo

Broly’s evo was reasonable since he had an easy quest + great dps

But memoria’s evo are unreasonably pricey

[vast chasm]

It's gonna get wild

[hollow snow]

LOOOOL good luck getting 4 alucard memorias

[vast chasm]

I thought memorias gonna be relatively easy thing to get and provides minor buffs but nevermind

[cyan needle]

By the time most people even get 2 the damn thing is getting replaced by Ichigo’s so legit what is the point 😭

[molten granite]

What I loved about vfams before memorias were added is the fact that if you’re gonna copy a strat from social media you can replicate it easy without the worry of getting corruption 3 on it

Like their damage was fixed to some extent and it was easily mimicked

[cyan needle]

Exactly. I don’t even know why memorias were even made in the first place when Vfams already existed. even if the vfam obtainment was boring I’d take that over memorias any day of the week

[molten granite]

Now you need divinity on a memoria ur not gonna use after 1 or 2 updates

[hollow snow]

alucards memoria is prolly gonna be better utility wise, since you get 30% free damage just for having alucard on the team

ichigos just might be better stat wise, but its still gonna be good

[molten granite]

They shouldve made memorias just an optional thing to get

Shouldnt add a stat boost except just add one singular passive that helps the units be better

[vast chasm]

Powercreep too? Oh heck nah. Who needs ainz when u have alucard doing everything now..

[cyan needle]

True but you need a bleed unit (which ig Alucard might be here for a while) but for non bleed team comps Ichigo’s could end up being better

[molten granite]

They finna drop ainz 2.0 or some bullshit i just know it ✌️😭

[hollow snow]

ainz is still valuable but the fact we already got despair but better is a sign no one on the balancing team is actually thinking about the longterm of the game

[molten granite]

Its crazy that back then 14k was good damage w ethereal

Now we averaging 1 million

[hollow snow]

youre likely gonna be running alucard on every team anyway

[molten granite]

What update even got our damage in the millions?

Was it Escanor or kaguya

[cyan needle]

Escanor

I think Kaguya only reached that with her literal perfect setup doing domains manually

[hollow snow]

around kaguya

[cyan needle]

Escanor just had to click the ability

[molten granite]

Like im unfazed by some the old
Vfams now

[civic reef]

back then mob was insane dps btw and he wasnt that long time ago

[molten granite]

I remembered he was good asf

Only weakness is shields

Monarch was basically a must on him and ainz

[umbral solar]

Mob still has fairly high dps, there just isn't many long wave gamemodes for him to shine in

[molten granite]

Whats even worse is that theres some people thats gonna disagree with this suggestion because they always side w av or they already have alu and his memoria

[molten granite]

Tbf they shouldve kept the anni act 8 stage as like a stage for custom levels

That gamemode was challenging now we lowkey just braindead

[umbral solar]

Well it was yhwach

[maiden oar]

Yhwach if I remember correctly

[cyan needle]

Oh right I forgot about Yhwach

[molten granite]

Ok for some reason i got timed out by shit automod

Idk wtf did i say to get auto modded but wtv

[vast chasm]

Powercreep got crazy after berserk update

People complained about aot units being so trash which is valid ngl

[molten granite]

The leap was 9.0

Most units did like 1m

Then it just went even higher from there

I guess the devs wanted to prove to other people that their game has powercreep

This aint powercreep btw its power leap

Powercreep is slow this shit is fast

[vast chasm]

What? Why u did get automoded. There is nothing wrong with text

[maiden oar]

Power creep was fine actually that's only alucard

[molten granite]

Idk this server has shit auto mod

[cyan needle]

I don’t even think powercreep for this game is bad considering the update schedule but at the current pace + the memorias basically doubling the amount of investment it’s getting kinda out of hand

[vast chasm]

Watch ichigo's memoria gonna be 2 times stronger then alucards

[molten granite]

What if we lowkey skip an update and see if that same skipped update is on par with the next update

[vast chasm]

Just watch

[molten granite]

Like we dont evolve shit at all except the good stuff

I have a good feeling they’ll be useless or the mythics will do a minimum of 800k to 1.2m

[vast chasm]

With alucard + broly team u can kill 100-150m bosses in no time

[maiden oar]

Pretty sure they made alu that op for him to be relevant long time

[vast chasm]

I might give up playing this bro ngl

[maiden oar]

I dont think that they will make ichigo 2x better

[vast chasm]

It will be too much for me

[hollow snow]

btw they were supposed to drop custom levels and they havent said a word about when its coming 😂

[vast chasm]

I'm speculating that they will

[maiden oar]

Maybe trying to nerf Alucard but not to make him bad

[hollow snow]

nerfing units is a terrible idea

[maiden oar]

Nah man that would be worse than als numbers if they do

[maiden oar]

I meant his memoria

[hollow snow]

still a bad idea

[maiden oar]

I know it's bad choice but that's the only way to keep game balancing

[hollow snow]

girlll its been gone for a long time they just keep messing it up because valk doesnt care about the long term of the game 😭

[vast chasm]

That should've done before dropping update. by balancers

Now people gonna complain If alucard nerf gonna happen which is valid ngl

[hollow snow]

they quite literally only have been planning for the short term

[vast chasm]

Imagine spending 1m+ gems just for the unit to get nerfed

[umbral solar]

Kafka is a way bigger issue than alucard

[cyan needle]

Yeah this was evident when allowed the broken DoT stuff to exist in the game and only took it out “due to complaints”

[umbral solar]

Alucard is solid but he's still got his crutches and his damage isnt as absurd as people like to say because they look at full team showcases

[umbral solar]

That change really doesnt do much unless youre actively doing omni tower

[maiden oar]

Oh that's the girl who instantly deal all dot damage?

[umbral solar]

If you are doing omni tower then the change ensures you cant just cheese literally all of it

Alucard is really good because of how much he is able to do but damage wise he's not some absurd jump, ofc he looks insane when you have the best memoria in the game on him and are using him with 15 waves of broly.

[maiden oar]

Yea maybe ur right Kafka nerf would be better but as you said ppl will complain

[warped trout]

too late to nerf

[umbral solar]

Yeah it's whatever

[warped trout]

just learn from it

[umbral solar]

Atleast kafka is a global cd

[warped trout]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-zen-meditation-gif-13277341

[umbral solar]

Unlike pre-nerf erza

[vast chasm]

Kafka?

[maiden oar]

Well atleast it's not max hp % damage

[warped trout]

ye

[vast chasm]

Wait kafka unit released?

[maiden oar]

Bp I suppose

[vast chasm]

I forgot about that lowkey

[umbral solar]

Meh

[vast chasm]

is she good?

[umbral solar]

Yes

[maiden oar]

Instantly deal all dot damage and keep it on enemy pretty sure

[vast chasm]

Nah that's crazy

[tiny elbow]

Paid AV agent

[vast chasm]

Lol

Fr

[maiden oar]

He's definitely right about qol but it doesn't change fact that they except us to grind days for stupid memoria

[torn spear]

unironically u gotta elaborate on how i can do this

[warped trout]

check yt

[torn spear]

can u dm me link

[warped trout]

js search limitless odyssey gem farm

i don’t have a specific vid in mind
but there’s plenty i’m sure

[maiden oar]

It's easy to do, but 170k gems if you grind all day

[torn spear]

if im getting 170k ill do this every week

[warped trout]

u can get more from cid raid
but need monarch sasuke
im sure yk that tho
acc i think theres one with monarch makima or sum

[vast chasm]

I can't be asked to grind It 24/7

[torn spear]

i dont got monarch sasuke sadly nor do i have his vanguard item

[vast chasm]

Also my pc gonna explode bro fr

[torn spear]

which one is for makima hk

[warped trout]

idk

[maiden oar]

Yea man ur casual av player

[torn spear]

my makima can do 1.2m off placement

[maiden oar]

Who don't afk for weeks

[torn spear]

i started recently and been afking a ton and it lowk pays out well

i have 13 monarchs at lvl 106

[maiden oar]

Yes, but that's not the way casual av player play that game

[torn spear]

tbf i only play av on roblox now

[vast chasm]

Well ofc

[maiden oar]

I started playing ac recently and what I can see you don't need to spent weeks to get good at this game I know it's new but still

[warped trout]

u can be casual and afk 24/7
casual is a pretty broad term

[vast chasm]

Afks pays well especially for this game

[warped trout]

there’s a reason ac has like 2k players

[maiden oar]

That's what I said casual av player don't afk for days to get unit

[maiden oar]

Yes it's not good av way better I know but still it's just an example

[torn spear]

i guess casual falls in the category of people who only actively are on the game during short periods of time on long breaks

they can still afk while they aren’t playing it

[maiden oar]

Yea after new update they get all units or units they wanted and quit till next upd

That's what I do cuz I can't afk really much

[torn spear]

cant wait for ichigo vanguard

[warped trout]

casual is just somebody who isn’t competitive
but they got rid of competitive in this game so eh

[torn spear]

honestly i been playing a ton and learning new stuff as i play cuz questions isn’t really reliable

[warped trout]

it’s been a week but there hasn’t been a sneak🥶

[torn spear]

so i got no clue what traits to get on reze denji and kafka

[warped trout]

monarch monarch and blitz

[torn spear]

was sneaked already though wasnt it

[maiden oar]

Pretty sure it's half team making ichigo update and another half fixing this update

[warped trout]

not anything ingame
just confirmed it’s cmg

[torn spear]

what abt power

[warped trout]

nah that’s not rly how it works

[torn spear]

better management then type soul

[maiden oar]

Just roll on denji

[warped trout]

monarch

[torn spear]

i wanna make a dot team

[torn spear]

but what if i wanna use a makima team

[maiden oar]

Well it's on ur own but I'd prefer to get monarch on denji first

[torn spear]

yeah ima do this

[warped trout]

nah don’t

reze is technically better

[maiden oar]

It depends I like denji so I would prefer rolling on him or Alucard

Right now trying to get monarch on Alucard

I hope he's good without memoria

[warped trout]

if he’s new ish i’m sure he wants a rly good unit for some longevity
reze is the best blast
denji isn’t the best curse

[warped trout]

he’s still good dw
but u should still chase the memoria

[maiden oar]

Nah man I'm not doing that unless they make good gem way to obtain

[vast chasm]

Bro how u got bug hunter roles btw

[torn spear]

i got monarch on him within like 200 rolls

[vast chasm]

u only had blue level role when I saw u last time

[maiden oar]

I wish I was that lucky, it took me 1.1k rrs on rukia and I'm like 500 in for alu

[maiden oar]

You can apply for it

[warped trout]

do elemental tower if u don’t have time to afk

[torn spear]

i got rukia monarch in 17

[maiden oar]

I'm stuck at omni 7

Can't do fire tower as well cuz of shields

[warped trout]

they doing another application wave tmr or after tmr i think
check #「✍」apply

[warped trout]

how do you not have monarchs😭?

[vast chasm]

So u got lucky

Congrats

[warped trout]

thanks

[maiden oar]

I do

That's the monarchs I got

[warped trout]

just use ainz with water and curse spells

acid rain and both curse summon spells
will take u pretty far

[vast chasm]

Hah lol rare monarch vegeta sitting there

[maiden oar]

I will try but I dont know what units I should use for it

I need 3 curse and 3 water?

[maiden oar]

Got him from banner on update 4 launch as I remember

[warped trout]

use an unknown unit

[maiden oar]

So vsjw is fine for it?

[vast chasm]

Yes

[maiden oar]

I will try, idk if im gon be able to cuz of how fast toji is

[warped trout]

counts as 1 of both
ainz ghost girl(slow), any unknown unit, rukia and tempest pirate
then wtv u want as the other slot and wtv u want to caloric

[maiden oar]

Isn't weather report better?

[warped trout]

sure but he’s not curse and can’t apply to bosses

[maiden oar]

Oh mb lol

[lucid turtle]

guys wanna bet if devs will lisen this or even read it? (i mean even care about suggestions?)

[warped trout]

hope they do
thing is if they talk here they would be swarmed cause there’s so many ppl here

so ig i can see why they aren’t talking

[lucid turtle]

i dont know i feel like av devs dont really lisen us

expecially suggestions

[lucid turtle]

most of player straight ma cro stuff so they dont complain about 1.25m gems needed just for alucard cuz they barely even play this game

[warped trout]

even if they afk stuff most ppl still complain soooo

[lucid turtle]

imo might be wrong or right but who does ma cro should not have much importance but give priority to those who do not do it because except for some cases those who do it do not really play this game so devs should lisen more who actually play it

[spare sluice]

Bump

[vast chasm]

No shot, 0.0000000001% chances

unless It's sailor

It's quite possible

[vast chasm]

You are High Bug hunter so bring them in here lol

jk

[warped trout]

bug hunters cant do anything

[vast chasm]

Dang, ik

[warped trout]

🥺

[vast chasm]

but u are making lots of robux from it, don't you

[lucid turtle]

ggs we aint getting alucard pity before he get out dps

[vast chasm]

Alucard pity is there

[lucid turtle]

ichigoat gonna save this vanguard

[lucid turtle]

i spent almost 900k gems and still i need 21k more pulls for his 100% and i still need start his memoria pity

atp i just hope ichigo complete destroy that bum since got monarch on him C:

[warped trout]

u dont make any robux from bh gng😭

[vast chasm]

Bug hunters are basically testers, no?

[warped trout]

no not at all

[lucid turtle]

ig kinda

[maiden oar]

He did alot of effort to get to high lvl you know

[vast chasm]

So u getting paid 600 rerolls?

[lucid turtle]

but not really tester cuz they get to test when update is out

[vast chasm]

mb bro

[maiden oar]

No it's bug hunters high bugh hunters make tons of robux

I mean it's not tons for av actually

[lucid turtle]

they find what is wrong about update when everyone play the update

[warped trout]

not 600 but ye u get payed in rrs
says so in #「✍」apply

600 per bug

[lucid turtle]

yeah bug hunter get paid a lot since av is so bugged some times

[vale cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-hein-era-heian-era-gif-1525472899078631626

[vast chasm]

I tried many times applying for It because I thought so

[lucid turtle]

nuh uh not a single vanguard is saved

[vast chasm]

Per bug?

[warped trout]

there letting 1000 ppl in this time so um
nows a good time

[lucid turtle]

only escanor with rukia escanor alone didnt survived

[vast chasm]

Bro is possibly making 3000 rerolls weekly

[vale cliff]

cause she’s a new secret

[warped trout]

yes

[lucid turtle]

i see why nagblox has like 8k rrs then

who know how many bugs he found out or just how 100k robux he spent

[warped trout]

nagblox aint even a bh😭
he just spends a lot gng

[vale cliff]

she should do more than most previous vanguards

if new units aren’t good there’s no incentive to get them, unless you like them (which isn’t true for every update)

they’re made to be better and better (powercreep) so more people grind than just people who like the anime

[vast chasm]

That's because of bundles mainly

[lucid turtle]

he 100% spent ATLEAST 1M robux

[vast chasm]

Bundles in this game are huge

[lucid turtle]

only in av i can almost 100% bet on it

[maiden oar]

Pretty sure it's way more

[vast chasm]

can you check dms?

[lucid turtle]

i said atleast

[vast chasm]

Only in av? u forgot about AA I guess

[lucid turtle]

ofc might be higher

[lucid turtle]

aa was def more than 10m

[vast chasm]

in one of the aa video titles he put 6m robux

[lucid turtle]

6m but i think was more than that

lowkey im just waiting ichigo vanguard av doesnt make me feel i should even play this no luck in monarch no luck in general atp im just waiting use my ichigo monarch one of my 4 monarchs i got

[manic lily]

Isn’t that because of the anni rerolls thing tho

I remember he got like a bunch from that

He definitely got like 5000 rr from bundles tho

[lucid turtle]

might be but av is every day is more and more dry doesnt even make me think to open the game the update for enjoy units with some decent damage you need good trait

[dusky karma]

Sukuna got replaced by alucard and the other chainsaw man units 😭 ✌️

[bold whale]

💀

[floral cliff]

bump

[vast chasm]

at first I thought denji and makima team was top team

But after seeing alucard.. nevermind

[vale cliff]

we dont talk about that

also he was released a year ago and was meta for a few months with his vf
so thats pretty good for a secret

[bleak marsh]

A casual player doesn't need alucard, try to grind for power, denji, aki. Ain't no one's getting the best for that easily

[reef kraken]

i mean like

this is like the only content av has gotten in months where u dont just afk for 2 days and finish the update

but like the alucard memoria IS ridiculous sure

the problem isnt the rates

its just the fact that theres no good gem farms

[lyric crown]

That’s because there wasn’t a need for one until now

[indigo steeple]

So they can drop 400h units+mems just because casuals arent supposed to get them?

At least try to use a more convincing argument

[hollow snow]

theyre literally making these updates to appeal towards casual players but they executed it in the worst way possible because no casual player can get him in a reasonable time

[reef kraken]

a casual player doesnt need anyhting bro

😭 u can literally hop on and get rukia within a day and solo the entire game

[bleak marsh]

Yea

[reef kraken]

also bro

just because u dont NEED him doesnt mean u shouldnt want him

[bleak marsh]

Yea if u want smgt that bad, grind for it

[hollow snow]

nobody wants to grind for it because it takes 200 hours

[reef kraken]

yeah the problem is that farming him is completely unbearable

its literally kaguya levels of farming

[bleak marsh]

Who even said yall hitting pity

[reef kraken]

always assume worst case scenario?

ud literally be average if u hit pity

[lucid turtle]

nuh uh is worse

[bleak marsh]

There r multiple ways of getting gems

[reef kraken]

none of them being good

ur best options are cid raid or odyssey 😭

[bleak marsh]

25k gems for 20mins of grind with an alt is pretty good
5k gems from bounty for an 1.5h grind is pretty good

[lucid turtle]

gg for cid raid you need monarch sasuke for odyssey you better dont even try if that is the best

[lucid turtle]

alt defenders?

[reef kraken]

you dont NEED sasuke

[lucid turtle]

dawg if you need grind with an alt you already know is bad

[bleak marsh]

2 hours if u wanna do it legit then

[reef kraken]

u can do it with escanor ur runs are just gonna be way slower

[bleak marsh]

Still good for 12.5k gem/h

[reef kraken]

25k from what?

[bleak marsh]

U got 50k from wb event

[lucid turtle]

if is slower no point even do it unless you really want do a 200 hours grind

[bleak marsh]

Pvp, but yall wont even look at that

[reef kraken]

so win trading?

[lucid turtle]

you cant defend this ahh grind

is just bad you cant say anything good about that

[reef kraken]

yeah because the gamemodes pretty bad

[lucid turtle]

would be defendable if we had our pity scaled on how many gems we spen already if we didnt got alucard

and just saying you need memoria too so ggs lets hope ichiGOAT save av

[vast chasm]

Tell me one good method

[bleak marsh]

Bounty, pvp, events

[vast chasm]

alt?

[lucid turtle]

he cant unless you have some good units like sasuke ofc monarch for do cid raid

other stuff isnt GOOD way for gems

[bleak marsh]

Cos yall dont got enough brainpower to win 5 pvp matches in a day

[lucid turtle]

that mode is trash

you cant win against bums with monarch

[vast chasm]

Oh shit

[lucid turtle]

and like i said that aint a way for grind gems

[vast chasm]

Alt defenders comeback

[bleak marsh]

We got traitless

[reef kraken]

most definitely can but yeah sure

[abstract hawk]

pvp even worth to grind tho?

[reef kraken]

traited pvp was dead on arrival anyways

[bleak marsh]

Its 25k gems and 40 rrs

[reef kraken]

yeah if u win trade its efficient

[abstract hawk]

it resets right?

[bleak marsh]

Yea

[abstract hawk]

kinda meh ngl i hate pvp shit takes forever

[reef kraken]

i was an avid defender of pvp before they ruined it

[bleak marsh]

If yall wont even grind and complain its a long grind its upon yall

[abstract hawk]

its good if its on any other mode but for pvp its kinda uhh

[lucid turtle]

they could just keep gems spent before and no one would complain

just a reallyy quick remember if goes bad

you need hit pities with gems 2 times

[reef kraken]

i wouldve much rather the memoria just be incredibly easy to get

[bleak marsh]

How abt, we remove the alucard pity and make it like it was b4 this update

[reef kraken]

then this, i dont have a problem with the actual time required

i just have a problem with the methods to get gems

[lucid turtle]

was ok restart is like dont have pity

[reef kraken]

also bro

funny as fuck, u have to get alucard and then get his memoria

[vast chasm]

Does pvp works tho? I didn't try It

[reef kraken]

thats like millions of gems

[bleak marsh]

It works

[lucid turtle]

you cant expect a f2p gonna grind from 0 to get 1.25 millions gems back

[vast chasm]

Fr bro

[abstract hawk]

idk didnt touch the mode since day 2 it got indroduced

holy grammar chat

[vast chasm]

How u can win trade tho, I think matchmaking is random isn't it?

[reef kraken]

pvp was fun up until they literally removed the units made for pvp because they were too strong in pvp...

[abstract hawk]

just snipe with alt

[bleak marsh]

It doesnt gotta be ranked

[warped trout]

ye

[lucid turtle]

which gonna take like 2.5 millions gems for both pity and since the chance is so bad you might as well pity both just for get powercreeped in like 2 month? and you might say 2 months are alot yeah but might mean 2 updates which dont hhave alot to do

[reef kraken]

another day another elphelt L

[bleak marsh]

They gonna start the alt defender agenda

[reef kraken]

valk really hates this unit bro i swear every time she has a usecase she just gets gutted

[warped trout]

almost all gg characters get fried one way or another

[abstract hawk]

i aint playing a real one for 30 whole minutes so might aswell get my alt

[reef kraken]

dont worry bro elphelt is very useful in worldlines...

[bleak marsh]

Legit they aint gonna think of that

[reef kraken]

i love climbing leaderboards...

[warped trout]

what’s a world line?

[abstract hawk]

[lucid turtle]

time to skip chainsawman update and this alucard "update" and see how ichigoat monarch gonna destroy that bum bleed

[bleak marsh]

Ok bro, u might need sleep

[warped trout]

yk there’s somebody that climber 600 floors and was deadass expecting a reward

[reef kraken]

ballin pov

[wise plover]

FR

ichigoat bouuta be the best unit and destroy the fraud alucard

[lucid turtle]

there is reallyy 0 chance im gonna hit GEMS pity twice for him

[reef kraken]

yknow luke was actually gonna go for top 1 again even after they removed rewards

[lucid turtle]

and i repeat GEMS pity for a total of 2.5 millions gems start to 0

[warped trout]

obviously shnot

[reef kraken]

im not joking bro i completely believe him when he said that

[bleak marsh]

Yea then dont, u will eventually get him when trying for some shinies ig

[lucid turtle]

nah i dont think so

0.004%

[bleak marsh]

U dont think u will ever spend 1.25mil gems or get lucky?

[lucid turtle]

banner can keep him eventually gonna get powercreeped

[lucid turtle]

both

[reef kraken]

i mean

[bleak marsh]

Then what are we complaining abt

[wise plover]

trust me u will get him before pity

[reef kraken]

its gonna take a while... unless valk does some bullshit again

which i think hes completely capable of doing

[vast chasm]

u calling alucard fraud?

Big dog

[lucid turtle]

you mean? he gonna take you get in worst case 2.5 millions gems and his familiar ichigoat might just be an evo and be as good as alucard

[reef kraken]

correction

not worst case but just on average

maybe u get it a little earlier at the 2m mark

[lucid turtle]

worst case for hit both pities

[wise plover]

he was always a fraud and will always be a fraud