Stop treating us like shit.

[sonic sigil]

i lowk need 400 rerolls to go pity on alu before tomorrow

[ember siren]

I alr got alu and alus mem

[sacred iris]

ooh a lucky boy

[floral cliff]

yeah, but not 24/7. I wanna have a life too not just afk a game

[sonic sigil]

2.6k reroll and got 1 monarch 👍

[umbral solar]

The issue is also the fact that the gem grind is significantly more slop than even just winter currency

[floral cliff]

so like did you randomly switch to units every 100 rrs or what

[sacred iris]

go spend 400 more and it will be 2

[ember siren]

Yes me very lucky

[sonic sigil]

1500 on makima 1100 down on alu

[umbral solar]

You need 800k gems when the rates are horrid and the mode is more tedious than anything to have released since 6.0

[floral cliff]

ah

[ember siren]

Its more mind numbing than event currency itself

[sonic sigil]

i got his memoria and vfam tomorrow js need that crisp 400...

[sacred iris]

got alu + his mem in under the amount of gems it took me to even get alu in the first place

[ember siren]

God damn 😭

[sonic sigil]

i got the memoria from 100k code thought i was gonna go for pity

[floral cliff]

500 gems / 4 minutes in oddesy, thats 7,500 gems an hour and 180k gems every 24 hours, 1,28m gems every week if you afk for every day without fail at perfect rate. And thats not even enough for memoria

[sonic sigil]

wish i had the same luck on trait rrs

[sacred iris]

took me 17k summons for the mem
last gems i had i got it
then i couldnt afford the new units until the code dropped

[floral cliff]

to get alucard i need 168 hours btw

[sacred iris]

1.28M gems isnt enough for memoria?

[floral cliff]

with alucard? No.

[sacred iris]

oh you mean both of them

not just memoria

[floral cliff]

Yeahhh

[sonic sigil]

did u save gems beforehand or what how did u summon 17k times

[sacred iris]

just naturally earned gems since berserk update

[ember siren]

Got lucky with mine at 10k summon cause of the code

[floral cliff]

look how blessed and cursed i got in one update

[sacred iris]

i could farm like 800k gems from tower if i wanted
didnt even touch tower until this update

[ember siren]

67k gems to spare for the next batch of mems or the new recent units if i bother..

[sonic sigil]

i was lowk waiting for a big powercreep to mass progress on tower and got what i wanted

[ember siren]

Aboose that sasuke cid grind while u still can

[floral cliff]

with what familliar bro

i need 8 more DAYS FOR IT

[ember siren]

His familiar

[floral cliff]

8.. More.. days..

[sacred iris]

omni tower is great as well
can run whatever good units you have, it has a way higher max floor than other towers rn, and a bunch of unclaimed rewards🤤

[ember siren]

That sh is getting fixed b4 u get it lmao

[floral cliff]

exactly...so im cooked either way

[ember siren]

Guess were suffering

[sonic sigil]

alu and makima will go crazy on omni ig

[floral cliff]

i even got shiny ichigoat

[sacred iris]

haha im 1 clear away from getting his vf

[sonic sigil]

i also want power but im so broke on rrs

[ember siren]

That vanguard cosmetic yum

[brazen jungle]

thank you bro

had to hit pity for makima I was suffering

[floral cliff]

idk i got denjis and makimas memoria in like 1st or 4th run each

makima took 22 and got 2

[brazen jungle]

people like you who say this shit are useless

[floral cliff]

ik ik

just dont see the issue with those drop rates i mean they are better than yamamotos

[hollow snow]

i got makimas memoria in the first run but it didnt appear in my inventory

[floral cliff]

schizo

[brazen jungle]

like shutup. its the equal to someone spouting a statistic well researched and someone else being like " but uh I seen this one time that contradicts this"

[hollow snow]

nah i have a SS of it, and they fixed the bug in the logs

[floral cliff]

wow rip

[sonic sigil]

was 2.9m before the upd

[umbral solar]

Im at like 7m spent probs

[floral cliff]

i was 3m b4 and im at 3,3 rn

[floral cliff]

im not contradicting anything twin, im just saying rates of 36 for pity isnt even bad.

[restive pawn]

Drippy profile

[brazen jungle]

its too long

[floral cliff]

look at alucard bro

[brazen jungle]

so? cuz one thing is high something else cant be too long?

[restive pawn]

Wait the pity for the new legend stages is bad to you????

[fresh summit]

I think it's fine bc he's perm and not going away tbh

[sonic sigil]

just needa change doffy with shiny alu and its complete 👀

[floral cliff]

vsjw is perm and not going away yet he takes at max 2 days to get

[brazen jungle]

I spent like 4 hours on it yesterday I was watching my pc like a hawk

[floral cliff]

alucard take 168 hours of nonstop afking

[restive pawn]

I’m 12 alocards deep been trying to get his shiny for so long since he’s my first monarch

[fresh summit]

Comparing a double evo vanguard to a banner one 🥀

[sonic sigil]

holy bro hmuch u spent

[floral cliff]

rukia took me like 2 days 🥀

[restive pawn]

Bro 4% drop rates with 38 pity is SO good you’re just being ridiculous

[umbral solar]

Every recent banner vanguard takes maybe a quarter of the time to get

[hollow snow]

guys whos excited to grind another 800,000 gems for ichigos vanguard memoria?

[restive pawn]

Lemme go grab it rq

[umbral solar]

"But those ones are limited and can't be used as a relative"

[floral cliff]

i got 5 rukias compared to the 0 alucards

[floral cliff]

ME ME ME! I LOVE NOT PLAYING THE GAME UNTIL THEY FIX THEIR GAME!!!

[brazen jungle]

its so good using a mack row you made and waiting to get a unit like 3-4 hours later so fun

[umbral solar]

Maybe we can just say that the shit grind is shit and shouldn't make excuses for the devs to sponge playertime?

[brazen jungle]

the stages r too long too

[floral cliff]

lowkey i manualed it, its not that hard. Even so, at max it will take a few hours .

[sonic sigil]

holy profile bro

[restive pawn]

ok lets go back to 0.5 drop rates with 200 clear pity

[hollow snow]

fire

[brazen jungle]

wow great someone give this guy the key to the city

[fresh summit]

For gems you can grind odyssey, boss rush, cid raid, worldlines, bounties and even elemental towers 😭 elemental towers give 3k gems

[sonic sigil]

im also like 20-25 yhwachs deep without shiny

[restive pawn]

ive spent a couple gems lmfao

[floral cliff]

yamamoto had a 180 game pity btw

[ember siren]

Shiny vowsfone ohoohohoho

[fresh summit]

It's rlly that easy, even whitebeard gives gems

[floral cliff]

180k gems for oddesy a day if you afk for the whole day, a week for 1,2m. So no im not afking for a week btw

[umbral solar]

Yo genius odyssey gives like 6k gems an hour and the pity is 800k do some quick math

[sonic sigil]

if only it existed 5 months ago

[fresh summit]

Just play the game and stop crying 😭

[umbral solar]

What a clown

[mental flicker]

you heard it guys

[floral cliff]

whitebeard gives 50k gems once, cid raid needs monarch familliar sasuke, elemental towers is useless unless you have a team or have all the op monarchs in all the elements

[mental flicker]

cifer told us to stop crying, accept bad qol and bow down to av devs

[umbral solar]

We should bring back diavolo level grinds and just say this in the update logs

[restive pawn]

Chat should i star the suggestion

[brazen jungle]

av players refuse to see anything forwards if you ask for better they're like "?? but the devs finally gave us an inch? lets go back to when we had nothing be greatful"

[floral cliff]

go farm for 168 hours for a unit

[ember siren]

Worldline (one time), Elem (one time), wb (one time)
Cid raid, specific set up to even be worth it

[floral cliff]

so like, the one time we have a good pity we complain, compare makimas pity to alucards pity and tell me which is easier

[restive pawn]

i ALWAYS want better but what is the logical step after this? giving it to you first run?

[umbral solar]

"Just afk the stage for a week straight for the memoria, unit not included. Stop whining."

[fresh summit]

I alr have him 🥀

[mental flicker]

yea let me just cop monarch sasuke with his familiar rq

[ember siren]

Why are we including one time rewards when people are asking for a stable gem method for an avg player lol

[brazen jungle]

if you go back in time like last year lets say and ask for auto upgrade people would curse your whole family

[hollow snow]

that doesnt make anything you say valid

[floral cliff]

I dont, so your argument is just, "i got him so its easy to do"?

[mental flicker]

Cifer is the ONLY anime vanguards player if he has monarch alucard we all should stop crying

[umbral solar]

I agree with this

[fresh summit]

I got him from way back then and I recently got another one like yesterday 😭 from the 100k codes

[floral cliff]

is this what im supposed to do for the next 24 hours?

[brazen jungle]

whatever this suggestions poster wants I want dont hyperbole me

[ember siren]

Literally the peoples argument trying to deny any form of good qol for avg players btw lol

[hollow snow]

"me got lucky so the grind aint that bad"

[restive pawn]

idk how you compare me to those kinds of ppl when all im saying is 38 pity being too high for you is actually goofy

[umbral solar]

The universe revolves around cifer and since he got lucky everyone who doesn't get lucky should just stop crying and afk for a couple weeks.

[hollow snow]

its like winning a 100 million dollar lottery and going "broo why isnt everyone rich this is easy as hell"

[sonic sigil]

38 pity is completely fine for makima, not for memorias tho thats ridiculous

[ember siren]

Apperantly

[sonic sigil]

memorias shouldnt be treated like units dawg

[floral cliff]

"Yoooo gbro just go win the lottery its literally not that hard bro"

[ember siren]

✅

[floral cliff]

can te devs just do something actually usefull for this hell hole of an update 😭

[distant swallow]

You’re right, they should be 5% like the familiars

[ember siren]

Why is her memoria even on a separate stage

[mental flicker]

no ex stage this update either

[ember siren]

Oh hell no not familiars

[distant swallow]

Because you have to farm that stage anyways

[sonic sigil]

%7.5 atleast

[floral cliff]

without the unit theres nothing to powercreep, without the memoria there isnt anything to powercreep the unit. But the unit will always matter more 😭

[distant swallow]

Meh

I’m ngl, 4% is not that big a deal

[sonic sigil]

for a memoria

[hollow snow]

the legend stage map is so funny to me because whenever you kill a boss they literally roll off the track

[distant swallow]

Especially with the auto replay setting added

[ember siren]

Ill rather take them being treated as a unit if familiars means no pity

[mental flicker]

4% is insanely low lol

[floral cliff]

i agree, unless its the stupid alus

[distant swallow]

Okay and? That’s still irrelevant

[ember siren]

I aint having trauma from a bird grind

[distant swallow]

It’s 4%, it’s not that bad

You can literally just auto replay and farm it

[mental flicker]

memorias are meant to be additional boosts they should be treated like that

[sonic sigil]

if you go for pity on makima + all the memorias thats 100+ matches brodawg

[vale cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-chainsaw-chewsday-makima-nayuta-death-devil-gif-9760285275063790585

[floral cliff]

i think they just want to keep their CCU high with this horrid update, so people afk gems for alucard

[sonic sigil]

it should be %7.5 no less no more

[mental flicker]

9 hours 30 minutes if you hit pity on all of them

[restive pawn]

4% is a solid spot for units I could see memoria being slightly easier since some good ones you’ll need multiple of. Tho we shouldn’t expect them to be so easy you just do the stage once and get everything you want

[sonic sigil]

20 pity

[distant swallow]

Okay and

[hollow snow]

getting denjis and makimas memoria being twice as long as getting makima combined makes zero sense

[indigo steeple]

Right now the only gems method that the game has for all type of players is limitless odyssey, which gives 500 gems every 4-5 minutes. Lets say you get 6k gems per hour on average.

That is, exactly, THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY HOURS OF LEAVING YOUR DEVICE PLAYING (15 entire days)

If you think making the best unit in the game a 370h grind is good for a game that updates every ~3 weeks (Aka totally changing the meta and the best unit in the game couldnt be it anymore) Then congrats for not having a life and making casuals not being able to keep up!

Oh yeah btw the devs said these next updates were SUPPOSED TO BE AIMED TO CASUALS

[vale cliff]

they're probably js gonna add more ways to get gems in future updates icl

they do it all the time

[distant swallow]

The memoria complaints are genuinely just bitching over nothing

[indigo steeple]

SO FREAKIN FUNNY RIGHT HAHAHA

[mental flicker]

how much pyseph pay this guy

[sonic sigil]

mb for not enjoying playing for 3 hrs to get a drawing

[mental flicker]

actual spy tryna come in here saying 38 pity for a memoria is fine

[hollow snow]

we have to grind for half of the units kit now

[sonic sigil]

hes an ex-tester btw

[vale cliff]

how is ichigo's memoria gonna work
2 quests?

[sonic sigil]

so he actually got paid to defend how cid handcuffs are for the good of game

[fresh summit]

Man, the devs wont even open this suggestion 🥀 yall js ranting for nothing lmao

[hollow snow]

maybe its a dungeon shop item or it drops from the stage (with possibly a 1/200 pity 😂)

[restive pawn]

More ways to get gems besides using a program is good, vanguard memoria should have slightly less pity than units, everything else I can take or leave idc that much

[distant swallow]

It is fine? You’re not even playing the fucking game for the most part, it’s a non-issue

[tired thorn]

Is it the pity complains cuz it's acc mad dumb, it ain't even high

[ember siren]

Better be a god damn quest than a gem banner

[floral cliff]

Cid raid - can only farm if you have monarch familliar sasuke (1,500 rrs to guarentee monarch, 10 days minimum to get familliar no matter luck)
Odessy - if makes 6k gems / hour its 370 hours before you can hit pity ( twice i think)
Elemental towers - Literaly impossible for new players, end game player based and only if you have monarchs on that specific element ( not counting omni towers )

[sonic sigil]

sei is seeing most of the suggestions if not all, he js not replying

[sacred iris]

hehehehe

[hollow snow]

I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME NETHER

[distant swallow]

The stage ones yeah

[floral cliff]

grats

[mental flicker]

"yea bro 2.2m gems are very f2p friendly, just get monarch sasuke and afk the raid for 11 hours"

[vale cliff]

thats obito's right

[sacred iris]

sasuke

[ember siren]

Yeah

[hollow snow]

i like my GAME being ENGAGING SINCE THATS THE POINT OF A FUCKING GAME 😭😭😭

[sacred iris]

obito's ios a kunai

[tired thorn]

Yeah it's so stupid, it's not even that high lol and the stages are mad easy

[floral cliff]

SOME of us actually od play the game

[ember siren]

Idk man

[distant swallow]

Then don’t be looking for it in a gacha td

[sonic sigil]

youre not even playing the game when you afk 168 hours to get alu so its reasonable v2

[tired thorn]

These people would not survive in games like destiny

[distant swallow]

Alu’s reasonable to me because he’s always going to be there and there’s no fomo

[hollow snow]

"you cant make a atd game engaging"
-nether

[vale cliff]

js wait for the seras raid 🗣️
10,000 gems per run

[sacred iris]

breaking news: trait rr economy even more in shambles

[fresh summit]

If they actually lower alucard pity along with his memoria to a lower number, what would it be? and would the community keep crying?

[ember siren]

Holy sh diego raid but gems ill take that sh

[floral cliff]

i play hypixel skyblock and im willing to farm for HUNDREDS OF HOURS for a single item, but to afk farm one unit that by next update might not even be better? Hell no

[hollow snow]

even though last update they released a fun and engaging mode with an actually reasonable grind compared to this update 😭

[vale cliff]

i wont lie
who cares about the rr economy

[tired thorn]

This community will always cry until they are fully spoon fed

[sacred iris]

thats true im lowk broke on rrs cuz i dont macro
plz add more ways to get gems mr valk

[vale cliff]

the only reason the rr economy is so bad rn is because of anni, which required weeks of afk (that icl i doubt many people actually did)

[floral cliff]

Do you think not being at your computer for 168 hours non stop is healthy for a game*

[ember siren]

Non traders aint care bout ts sh

[tired thorn]

Then it ain't your game

[hollow snow]

you think not wanting 50+ hour grinds is wanting to be spoon fed? you dumbass 😭

[mental flicker]

tryna turn the game into als

[vale cliff]

pretty sure someone higher up said they wouldnt
mightve been a tester tho

[sacred iris]

why would traders give a shit about trait rr economy
bundles value?

[floral cliff]

idont wanna afk for HUNDREDS OF HOURS FOR NO REASON, THATS the issue

[ember siren]

Yuh

[sonic sigil]

yes?

[distant swallow]

Well yeah. Attempts at difficulty need to be approachable by most everyone, which is easier said than done because of the existence of traits. And making gameplay actually interactive with doffy raid is cool and all, but only when you have to do it a few times

[ember siren]

Anything for those values prob

[vale cliff]

i wont lie his pity doesnt really need a nerf, gems just need to get increased a bit

this would also let them branch out and use gems for other stuff besides just banners

[fresh summit]

So you want the strongest unit ingame to be an easy pull?

[floral cliff]

I want him to be reasonable you chud

[restive pawn]

Are the memoria pity complaints about stage or vanguard memoria I can’t tell anymore 💀

[mental flicker]

strawman fallacy

[sacred iris]

a mix of both

[floral cliff]

broly was a great example, literally not even the best unnit rn but he took like a day to get and is still in the top 4 currently

[ember siren]

Just make gems be easier for an avg player lol, cid gem is just for late game players

[fresh summit]

Too bad gng, they won't change it at all

[pastel rock]

i could get 100 vsjws before getting a full build alucard

[hollow snow]

im not asking for difficulty, im asking for more engagement. this update brought nothing interesting in a gameplay perspective

[floral cliff]

ONGOD

ill be honest id rather get 50 brolys before i farm out 1,8m gems

[indigo steeple]

Cifer for the sake of god you prob got Alucard and his memoria on 200k gems, PLEASE stop thinking about you and start thinking about the rest (Which are mostly going to pity on both of them)

[vale cliff]

im ngl theres not really a point arguing it 🥀
if they add more gems they add more gems, if they dont js wait till a more broken character gets added

[fresh summit]

Not one dev opened this suggestion up, I think they'll js ignore it

[floral cliff]

THIS IS NOT FUN BTW

[hollow snow]

IT TAKES 10 HOURS TO GET RUKIA AND HER MEMORIA

[vale cliff]

i wouldnt be surprised if ichigo is better than alucard anyway

[sonic sigil]

quest vanguard so might be ngl

[ember siren]

A person would prob be better off restarting an acc and summon for alu and mem than actually grinding gems no lie

[restive pawn]

Towers are a nice addition to the game but them being the only form of endgame is depressing

[mental flicker]

yea but if we dont complain about this sort of progression whats stopping devs from making future memorias and units locked behind 1m gems with poor gem gain

[fresh summit]

Ion have his memoria yet but I'm not crying abt it being hard to get

[pastel rock]

they WOULD be better off cause endgame gem grinding is such a hassle

[sacred iris]

dps-wise wouldnt suprise me
but alu also has one of the best slows and the best dmg amp

[polar musk]

Y u doing blast but not. Omni

[floral cliff]

literally. I enjoyed it with another player but alone its cancer icl

[vale cliff]

nothing
your complaints wont really matter either icl

[floral cliff]

im doing omni later with my friend, so im savin it

[hollow snow]

i swear when everybody wants a more reasonable grind theres always that one guy that makes strawman arguments or is a complete shill

[ember siren]

Preach, just get those 50k gems from wb and 100k from cost then res if u dint get both lol

[distant swallow]

I mean yeah, the main thing that was supposed to be engagement had to get delayed for a little bit. The only other thing was land conquest and while I don’t care to play it at all, it’s still interesting to see it be done and what it could be for in the future

[vale cliff]

thats true

[mental flicker]

then they gon go back to average 30k players on update

[floral cliff]

the MAIN THING? I dont even think anyone cares about the player built levels unless its out of boredom.

[pastel rock]

which isnt bad

[mental flicker]

a fall from 100k to 30k is a 70% decrease

[hollow snow]

im not even gonna care for it at all unless i get some sort of reward for playing it

[indigo steeple]

Memoria chance overall, it shouldnt be the same as the whole unit itself

[restive pawn]

Ima steal the title of this post make my own suggestion about endgame players

[ember siren]

Alts are getting more appearance so prob even less than that lowk

[hollow snow]

at best its just filler while you wait for the next update

[vale cliff]

theres only 1 person to save us from the alucard meta yo

[fresh summit]

Yeah bc there's a better method to farm presents than gems

[distant swallow]

Custom levels were supposed to be the centerpiece of engagement for the update, yes. And if there’s actual rewards for doing them, it would be a lot more

[mental flicker]

just reminding yall ALS used to have more players than av, they made their game dogshit with garbage features and now they struggle to cross 10k. Might seem like an extreme comparison but its not out of the realm of possibilites.

[pastel rock]

can you really expect a consistent 100k ccu for an atd

[hollow snow]

its almost like we need an actual gem farm

[floral cliff]

fgrom the sneak peak, no there def no rewards

[sonic sigil]

bro nobody playing custom levels if theres no rewards in it 😭

[vale cliff]

seil said there would be p sure

[ember siren]

Whos actually playing custom levels for no benefits lol

[sonic sigil]

you genuinely think people will play that mode after a match

[fresh summit]

Just got her memoria 🥀

[floral cliff]

btw this shows how much we actually dont liket his update bro

[pastel rock]

they think they're pvz 💔

[restive pawn]

I agree with vangaurd memoria no one wants to waste a ton of currency trying to get dupes for team building etc. I don’t mind stage pity especially with how low it’s become but I could maybe see like 5-6%

[ember siren]

✅

[distant swallow]

We got like two images

[sonic sigil]

most likely its gonna be win 10 matches typa quest so nobody will play after the 10th match

[distant swallow]

You are making a wild jump of a conclusion

[floral cliff]

and its the only thing we can base things off of no?

[ember siren]

Its customs levels made from players, i doubt theyll make it give rewards.

[floral cliff]

ah so some rewards there will be. Cool...but can we grind it? Prolly not

[ember siren]

Look mom its me

[sonic sigil]

meh

[floral cliff]

this update was def a filler so when ichigoat comes people will start loving AV again

[vale cliff]

i liked the update besides alucard
but i also really like csm so

[distant swallow]

You can’t say “def no rewards” by only seeing one corner of a puzzle

[floral cliff]

agreed, and horrible alucard ity

[restive pawn]

Don’t say that I’ve been waiting for CSM all my life

[ember siren]

Real

[sonic sigil]

like i said tho if this is supposed to be the main engagement then they are doing the wrong thing since %99 of people will only play bc it has rewards in it

[floral cliff]

i was only basin it off the sneaks

[sonic sigil]

and why is the main engagement missing on update release...

[distant swallow]

That doesn’t mean you can say it like you’re positive there’s no rewards

It’s still just leaps of assumption

[floral cliff]

i love the update dont get me wrong, i love csm, but was the update really good? We got a story mode, memorias and like...alu pity..

[sonic sigil]

it was sad to see csm wasted on a story/legend stage update

[rustic lily]

💔

[floral cliff]

exactly. Thats whyi based it off of the only information i thought we had, then the guy sent a ss of us getting some form of rewards. So we are gettin smth but we dont know what

[vale cliff]

next curse vanguard

csm spoilers

[restive pawn]

The huge selling point isn’t out yet so I’ll have to wait and see but the units, maps, battle pass units and rework, events, etc are all some of the best or pretty solid (I’m heavily bias I love CSM and Kafka and Acheron are 2 of my fav HSR characters)

[restive pawn]

Should have been an event banner so they all could have been mid

[floral cliff]

i agree that the units were good, but the update itself was pretty horrid DUE and i mean DUE to the biggest poart of it "alucard rework" being ruined by its high pity. I mean look at the last 7 days of suggestions practically begging for it ot be changed

[restive pawn]

Yeah I think that’ll always be a huge disconnect for me since the only thing I need to grind for is the memoria and I’ve had him monarch for a year I’m not in the same situation I do empathize tho

[indigo steeple]

Not a single pepelaugh or caroline type of reaction btw, pretty much shows that even those one flexing their luck would still like these changes

My suggestion is dumb and im exaggerating till they add another 370h Unit+Memoria and if we complain they could just say that we didnt with Alucard and his memoria

[modest sundial]

bum forgot some of us have lives, i aint afking 24 hrs

[floral cliff]

ill love to see them protecting their idea of the pity

[hollow snow]

nobody is genuinely gonna have their computer afking a roblox game 24/7

i need my computer for other things man 😭

[floral cliff]

we are playing AV they wont actually apologize for the horrid pity 😭

[indigo steeple]

The 0.01% of the player base sadly does and the devs team seems to think like its the normal thing on roblox

[hollow snow]

also its complete bullshit that the newest legend stage only has a 30 gem drop

[floral cliff]

Like bro, im a big afker if ykyk ( y can see in my bio ), and evne i dont wanna do ts

[ember siren]

The fact people wouldnt have realized how bad the gem grind is for an avg players if they made previous gems spent count for alus pity

[modest sundial]

🐟 ?

[floral cliff]

mhm

[indigo steeple]

Who would want to afk for 15 days for a SINGLE unit on a game that updates every ~3 weeks

[floral cliff]

just retired too 💪

livin off my retirement

[restive pawn]

Thank you for your service 🫡

[floral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meep-low-cortisol-dance-chibi-gif-17107758709618840273

[hollow snow]

why would i grind 50 hours for alucard when i can just wait 3 weeks for ichigos vanguard and only grind 5

[ember siren]

Crazy

[pastel rock]

so real

[vale cliff]

cause

[pastel rock]

though atm i dont think we've seen alucard at his full potential so maybe he'll last like 2-3 updates or so

[hollow snow]

alucard is definitely the best unit by a mile but ichigo is gonna be just as good or even better

[pastel rock]

like the only guess to how strong he'd be with his vf and memoria is him having like 3.5-5m dmg

[vale cliff]

arent the ichigo form they're adding like a 1 use nuke

[pastel rock]

so unless ichigo powercreeps the game that high i think alucard will be fine

[vale cliff]

how are they even gonna make him better than alucard unless he does like 15m dps or smthn

[pastel rock]

80% slow 🔥

they'll go the ASTD route

[ember siren]

Dot being the meta crazy

[hollow snow]

idk but valk always manages to do something to powercreep insane units ✌️
in order to powercreep dio valk made ainz do literally everything

[ember siren]

More like 10000 upds cause of support utility

[pastel rock]

ainz is never getting out of the meta since hes 2 unit slots

[hollow snow]

ty valk for making ainz perma meta

[pastel rock]

stupid caloric stone

[ember siren]

Theyll find a way to nerf it dont worry

[pastel rock]

now every meta build has ainz i dont want to use ainz

make it like how tds did the hacker 💔

[hollow snow]

it was originally gonna be a monarch transfer as well

[vale cliff]

i mean u cant really blame him for that
if the unit is worse than previous units while being the main focus of the update theres really not a point to get them unless they do something special or heavily supportive

also why i dont really care for alucard atm since ichigo will probably be better, atleast dps wise, which is the only real thing that matters atp (since most of the game can be soloed by just escanor)

[pastel rock]

id rather the free monarch than an extra unit slot man

[floral cliff]

yk its bad when a afker doesnt wanna afk your game 😭

[restive pawn]

AV needs to go back to releasing a Fate update every other patch and it’ll be peak again

[pastel rock]

because there's better games to afk on, like Cookie Clicker

[hollow snow]

i meant it was gonna be both. in the sneak it showed that the 7th unit would share ainz's trait (effective monarch transfer)

[floral cliff]

facts

[pastel rock]

oh

genuinely they were too ambitious with ainz

[hollow snow]

it only did 2 fate updates man 😭

[ember siren]

Atleast its less mind numbing

[sacred iris]

yet like 5 updates with fate units

[pastel rock]

i clicka the cookie-a

[vale cliff]

FR

[restive pawn]

I know it’s not enough I need more, Fate Strange fake and carnival updates when?

[vale cliff]

fate units are so peak

[ember siren]

Peaker gameplay than av

[pastel rock]

so true

[vale cliff]

tiamat/goetia vanguard when

[pastel rock]

if i had to only play either av or cc i am team cookie clicker every single day of the week

[restive pawn]

I got monarch saber during anni update thinking they’d make more VF 💀

[ember siren]

Twin

[indigo steeple]

Wish it was 50h to get him and the memoria
Oh yeah btw even after the memoria rate change and the "free" 400k gems, it would still take around 120h of afk odyssey, or like 10 weeks buying the gems from boss rush and rift

[vale cliff]

i think they will again soon

if not they should def start giving memorias out to those units icl

[restive pawn]

We ALL want saber quest vanguard for 12.5

[hollow snow]

noooo i want narutos double evo first

[pastel rock]

i want my salter vfam

[vale cliff]

do i roll on sasuke or makima

[pastel rock]

sasuke icl

easy cid farm for birbs

[vale cliff]

yeah i cant really find a use case for makima
anything shes used in, just use escanor instead lol

[restive pawn]

Not every single Naruto unit being better than the main character

[pastel rock]

then trade those birbs for reroll gps

[vale cliff]

also sasuke somehow gets upscales every single update

[pastel rock]

because he has a 1s spa attack

[ember siren]

Watch them add a "Increase dmg every atk on an enemy" memoria

[vale cliff]

nah they wouldnt

makima's is very good for him tho right

[sacred iris]

cuz of bug but yea

[hollow snow]

kaguya vanguard and 2 vfs for obito and sasuke before naruto got anything

[wet verge]

Absolutely

[ember siren]

Yeah cause apparently the bleed ticks are triggering it

[vale cliff]

ah

[ember siren]

Dot somehow counted as a basic atk instead of a sub atk whatever

[pastel rock]

i still dont get how thats good

[sacred iris]

once bug fixed, its just alu mem and a bleed unit for him

[pastel rock]

does his burn tick also apply bleed or something

[floral cliff]

naruto got a halfass cosmetic

[sacred iris]

every second he applies bleed
each bleed tick is 2% more dmg against that enemy
= he climbs dmg stupid quick

[restive pawn]

Watch them make sage mode a diff unit

[pastel rock]

2% bleed

isnt that around 20k dmg or something for him

[sacred iris]

its not about the bleed

[ember siren]

Theyre fixing makima mem or making dots count as a secondary stk sm sh?

[sacred iris]

its about his passive where each attack against the same enemy he does 2% more dmg

[sacred iris]

dots arent attacks
its just not meant to work with sasuke's passive

[ember siren]

Cause if its the latter, it nerfs choso (and other units if they work the same)

Which existed since it was released

[pastel rock]

oh

[sacred iris]

im pretty sure its just a fix for sasuke, tho choso's wording is bad, he aint breaking game enough to be fixed like that

[restive pawn]

Wait makima passive works with sasuke VF?

[sacred iris]

what

like her follow ups? yea

[pastel rock]

so the bleed counts as an attack for escanor?

[distant swallow]

Arc specifically counts as attack so yeah I imagine

[ember siren]

Yeah just wanted to know if he'll get affected consequently since his bleed ticks counts for his 2nd psv lol

[sacred iris]

prob not

[pastel rock]

y not

[sacred iris]

cuz its choso

[ember siren]

Good since that would make him hard to scale

[sacred iris]

[pastel rock]

he's basically doing the same thing

ok thats fair

[ember siren]

Son making him do 10 atks for full scaling only for the enemy to walk out of it after

[sacred iris]

sasuke gets infitely climbing dmg like 5x quicker when using makima mem
choso has worked that way since he came out

[ember siren]

Yeah

[sacred iris]

if something is bugged its the dev who made the wording for older units

[vale cliff]

wait so when they fix that wouldnt that mean alucard's grind would be even longer

[ember siren]

No reason to "nerf" old units when it existed for them as their psv stated lol

[sacred iris]

if you use ruined city act 2 for your alu grind, yes

[ember siren]

Chae hin dodge psv wordin back in the day

[vale cliff]

which is the best way

[restive pawn]

Oops sorry meant the memoria

[sacred iris]

but sasuke getting a extra 16% dmg per second is kinda bad for balance

[sacred iris]

or well 16% dmg buff per second

not just extra 16% dmg

goes from 2% more dmg per second to 18% more dmg per second
das bad

[ember siren]

External too!

[sacred iris]

yea his arc counts as a attack

[ember siren]

[pastel rock]

how does ts work

does he apply 2% bleed every second

[sacred iris]

his passive makes him do 2% more damage per consecutive attack on a enemy
makima mem makes attacks apply bleed for 5% of his dmg over 8 seconds
his arc counts as a attack
so he applies bleed every second
each tick of bleed is counting as a attack for his passive, leading to 8 stacks of bleed being 16% more damage agains the enemy per tick

[pastel rock]

i had no idea DoTs could stack

[pastel rock]

oh

oh i get it

didnt know sasuke could infinitely stack his arc dmg by 2%

[restive pawn]

Fair and balanced

[ebon granite]

they should compensate us more for playing the game rather than afk, its so boring afking

like what they did with rukia

[distant swallow]

that's the whole point of arc functioning as an attack, it already infinitely scales

[lapis urchin]

funniest shit i ever seen bro

[stiff pawn]

aint no way people are disagreeing with this suggestion holy hell 😭

[indigo steeple]

There is all sorts of people in the world

[ebon granite]

they like theirs steak raw

[restive pawn]

It’s fun to argue

[stiff pawn]

for u, ig bro

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[hollow snow]

even if this suggestion hit 500 stars i still think its highly likely none of this will be implemented

[indigo steeple]

Time will decide that

Alucard showcases should be up on a few hours, so im expecting the suggestion to get more support than ever

[vapid raft]

dont worry, it already have higher chances to be implemented by the fact you not the op

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump..

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[wicked zinc]

genuinely who decided that a 1 mil pity for 3 alucard passives is acceptable

memorias are cool but idk why theyre priced like full units

[restive pawn]

AV solution to people complaining that updates are short is to make some of the grinds needlessly long

[stiff pawn]

ok i can see that, 1m pity wouldnt be much of a deal if gems aren't so scarce

[restive pawn]

There needs to be more accessible ways to farm gems besides 24/7 cid or odyssey. But it also comes at the cost of not wanting to inflate it too much to where we have crazy RR farms by people having so many gems by 2x its like anni

Them being in shops isn’t half bad at all since they reset once a week and most update only last 3 weeks anyway

[vale cliff]

yk this couldve been avoided by just having the memoria + alucard himself on the memoria banner (that doesnt have shinies + so you can do both pities at the same time)

and then a new secret couldve come on the main gem banner

[stiff pawn]

this makes sense

[versed flicker]

yo what if 4 sword style was zoro shiny?

[restive pawn]

That’s a pretty interesting take ngl I’d have to think about that a bit more cuz idk if I want alocard on memoria banner but a diff obtainment method could work

[stiff pawn]

ye i cannot see the devs putting a unit on a memoria banner

[vale cliff]

maybe

[lavish depot]

TD fatigue is gonna hit vanguard’s like the grim reaper

[ebon granite]

its not implemented even if it hits 10k. We do this for the love of the game

[full comet]

I do agree they need to add a more viable way of getting gems, at least maybe buff gem drops in infinites (they literally have no purpose now that they took inf lb away) so why not give infinites a purpose and be the gem farms?

[jagged sigil]

inf has even less of a purpose now since they took takedowns out of the game for newer units at least, i like this idea

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[vale cliff]

ngl i dont think his pity will get nerfed or gems will get increased atp

if hes #1 in 2 categories i highly doubt they'll make him easier to get

[hollow snow]

gg

[vapid raft]

where the fuck is aki

[vale cliff]

not there

[vapid raft]

damn 😭

[cyan needle]

Powercreep of doom and despair holy 😭

Didn’t they have escanor #1 last upd? 😭

[jagged sigil]

i knew i wasnt crazy about reze seeming like INSANE DPS wise

[vale cliff]

yea

[distant swallow]

Because the tl was ordered for a more casual oriented ranking

they changed it this time

[vapid raft]

hibana still being relevant is insane, i remember when most people call her the worst unit

[distant swallow]

She dropped in spring, yeah?

It wasn't until escanor dropped that she shot up in usability, and we've still been getting really solid burn units to keep her a relevant support

[vale cliff]

well when she came out we had 0 good burn units from what i remember

[sacred raven]

its not a high bar at all

??? no one is asking for 0% grind, we're asking for a less repetitive & absurdly long grind. believe it or not, some individuals would actually rather actively play and enjoy a game that they put time into rather than having to set up a 🥭 just so that they can bear through the update

grindy does not have to mean the same thing as long or repetitive. the problem with these games is that after a certain point, its more like slogging through each update out of necessity rather than actually enjoying yourself, and that isnt made any better with the comical lack of difficulty in any primary mode within the game

[tiny pendant]

my issue with this is that they drop memorias, which are 100% required for new units, claiming otherwise is just factually wrong. and you have to evolve BOTH the new character and the memoria, and the character evos didnt get any cheaper. theyve also stated they arent removing the essence stone cap, and that by removing takedowns (which took 20 minutes to do on 3 placements characters- which was 95% of the units released) would remedy the issue of essence stones!...

so to recap, they add double the essence stone requirements to units..and remove the takedowns?.. when takedowns were never an issue..

people claimed they were an issue because they already had the stones. a 20 minute timegate felt like AGEEEEEEES to people, and now ppl are realizing the actual issue; you cant have enough essence stones to complete an update, and theres no way to store excess. if you grind regularly and just happen to cap on essence stones, which i do regularly, they just go into the void.

[sacred raven]

memorias absolutely shouldnt be 100% necessary to even think to use a unit; in power's case, you sort of need the memoria, otherwise, youll need to actively make ur spa worse just so she can work with her passives 💀

its ridiculous

[lilac ocean]

holleh molleh

[tiny pendant]

shouldnt, agreed. but for majority if not all of these units MAJOR buffs to the character are locked behind memorias which you are forced to drop nearly the SAME PRICE OF THE CHARACTER in STONES to evolve.

this also further makes ppl just not try new units, because if theyre not good why would i sink the cost of 2 character to making one usable

ill just wait for tierlists to come out and go from there. removing the takedown from characters and making memoria cost essence stones to be USABLE on their DESIGNED CHARACTER after making the character also cost more essence stones is just dumb

especially whenever they already claimed they will not remove the cap and have not increased it further. singular units are taking over HALF of the max capacity of one color of stone, and this is..okay? 😭 like what

[lilac ocean]

yea Im concerned about ichigo next evo cost too

[tiny pendant]

and theyve been doing this for MONTHS but it wasnt an issue because all i had to do was evo the character, not evo their artifact aswell

remove the essence stone evolution from memorias and make them takedown based. memorias can be equipped on any unit so i can grind the takedowns anywhere without having to take up a teamslot to do it, i also now dont have to use more of my very limited capacity of essence stones to make 1 unit usable, and if i really want to evo that memoria ASAP, it takes 20 minutes on namek infinite.

memorias are already a stupidly questionable design because it feels like characters are split in 2 parts, and now i have to evolve them both aswell with a very limited cap of essence stones that hasnt been really increased since the game came out?......

[lilac ocean]

takedown seems slower ngl, and its boring

[tiny pendant]

its 20 minutes dude

i promise you it is 20 minutes on any 3 placement character lmao

[lilac ocean]

if they make it like 500 takedown for memoria I wont complain

[tiny pendant]

and ontop of that, locking what feels like half of alucards vanguard familiar behind the memoria which is a 20k pity on the gem banner is insane. you want me to pick between new characters and a vanguard memoria of an old character that has a TWENTY THOUSAND PITY. i have FOUR alucards just from luck and 3 of them will forever remain useless while i now have to pull for the alucard memoria on a banner that doesnt have the new units of the update. im forced to pick and choose between an INSANE pity aswell, and thats not even including the unit!

[lilac ocean]

I feel like AV devs never had team meeting, strategist or brainstorming cuz they keep dropping upds like this and regret later

[tiny pendant]

i just dont get the idea behind a 20k pity of gem summons for a card, whos unit has a 25k pity

[lilac ocean]

prolly they added based on "bot users" survey

[tiny pendant]

rukias is different because the present currency is intentionally easily grindable

[lilac ocean]

I mean the players pressure them to make it easier now alucard might be the same fate

[tiny pendant]

being stuck with half of a units intended full kit for a week doesnt feel very good lmao

[lilac ocean]

I think they should add mechanic to avoid auto grinder so they can stop comparing everyone to them

[polar bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470659115159392277/1477891827742019654/togif.gif

[violet vector]

👀

[distant swallow]

bro i wish

[oak granite]

https://tenor.com/view/jase-jase-richardson-dunk-fail-boy-slow-down-slow-down-gif-12083547043971667140

[muted quarry]

Js afk cid this will never get implemented

[hollow snow]

[frank folio]

slighty difficult as alot of ppl dont got sauke monarch with vf

js do manual odyssey for a week or two :DD

[modest sundial]

just another broly upscale

[cinder pulsar]

HONEST TO GOD REMOVE THE ESSENCE STONE CAP! 125 STONES IS BARELY ENOUGH TO EVOLVE ONE UNIT ANYMORE

[modest sundial]

honest to god use pvp shop! 150 green stones a week for no effort!

[vale cliff]

surely no more unbound units for a while

[indigo steeple]

There were 8 units this upd, you cant defend JUST one of them taking over 370h of afk (Being #1 in the game doesnt matter anymore, that placement can easily change when it comes to vanguard updates)

Oh btw, Alucard memoria got higher stats than Rukia one, if you check wiki its the best mem on pretty much any unit in the game

You need 4-5m gems for 5 memorias but theres no fomo to it, since they are perm

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-higuruma-oh-my-god-gif-11867481217122855155

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[molten granite]

They genuinely should do a gamemode that gives a shit ton of gems, maybe like 2-3k per game based on difficulty, and they have 2 modes, easy and hard.

Basically easy gives you a random set of units that will help you progress in the gamemode, something like whitebeard mode, where its infinite, and gives like 500 gems per 10 waves

Hard is sum like easy where its infinite except the only exception is that u have to use ur own loadout

[loud birch]

they should put gems in the coin shop

coins are useless anyways

[floral cliff]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[frank folio]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[karmic flicker]

they literally said in the trailer that they wont, because they want people to be active, and keep farming for stones, not just save up for future updates

[verbal sequoia]

Can we not

They are treating memoria as units

[floral cliff]

We do not. I dont agree with the unit pity change or the essence change, since its not that hard to farm them out, but for gems they need to add a way to actually farm it,and not just do the same stage for 340+ hours

[indigo steeple]

Please tell me where i said anything about unit pity changes 😭

My changes are only related to memorias, gems and stones

[floral cliff]

i wasnt talking about you

Some people were complaining about the unit pity chances, it wasnt directed at you specifically

[indigo steeple]

Oh sorry

Said it here but btw after the wiki upd you need the Alucard mem on literally everyone

And the mem pity is just one time, so yeah gl with that guys

[floral cliff]

Yeah i realized, its a horrible filler update imo, due to how much the alucard pity was hyped and ruined

[indigo steeple]

The Alu and mem are perm tho! There is no fomo with it

[floral cliff]

doesnt make it better ya know

its likeeee, sjw and broly are both perm units no? Sio i only need to farm for a few days for them. Having to farm over 300 hours for a unit that MIGHT become worse than the new ones is just horrible game optimization

[indigo steeple]

Getting Alucard and 2 memorias literally takes more time than the next update getting published

Thats how bad it is

[native venture]

I've read through some of this and honestly couldn't agree more. It is crazy they said this'll be for the casuals whilst making it cost so much gems and it literally takes longer than getting the units that are specifically from this update lmao

[indigo steeple]

Trust me a casual is NOT "afking" for 370h (Cant even say afk because you need to set up an specific configuration)

Casuals dont even do that type of afk first point

[native venture]

Yeah I currently get like 20k gems a night from afking winter event and they think imma get 1m before even more characters come? It's insane

Bare in mind I run 5 monarchs for my winter event afk team lmao, it'll take ages for anyone to get to 20k if they aren't afking cid raid or doing too much tower lol

[indigo steeple]

Just for him getting powercreept next upd btw, its so stupid

[native venture]

fr I am just gonna work on it slowly bc as u said it'll probs get powercrept. Plus I think Makima / Escanor are still better bc at least we have the setup already lmao

[floral cliff]

100% of their argument of not changing pity or addin gem farms, is literally "Alucard is perm!!! Youll get him later!!!"

Yes because i totally want him in 3 months and not now

[native venture]

fr

They should simply make an easier gem farm that is perhaps half as efficient as Cid raid afking bc that is only possible for people with monarch vf sasuke and other units paired with him

[warped trout]

it exists it’s called limitless odyssey

[native venture]

Sure.

[warped trout]

i’m js telling u that isn’t the solution

should just have lower pity for the memoria at the minimum
making gems more abundant can screw over future plans

[hexed tide]

just increase the rate and lower the pity would be hella nice

since people will most likely want mutiple copies

[warped trout]

?

what are you doing that makes 20k😭

if u want gems don’t do that…
go do limitless odyssey
you’ll get 120k~ for 24h
for reference cid raid gives 250k for 24h

u use delta and 4 rares

you’ll always start with delta
and it’s not an issue cause she has inf rng

u can’t set her to anything
check her passives she always targets strongest

[floral cliff]

First of all, sorry i got a life (even if its unbelivable), I MYSELF, a literal afk-er (like check my bio 😭 ), would rather do anything but farm for 370 hours straight for a single unit

[warped trout]

??

[floral cliff]

A unit shouldnt need to take that many hours to obtain.

[warped trout]

so don’t
i wasn’t even talking to u😭

[floral cliff]

This isnt hypixel skyblock

[warped trout]

i was talking to the guy who got banned

[floral cliff]

f did he do lmao

[warped trout]

no idea

[hexed tide]

bro got banned mid convo

[floral cliff]

but it still stands, just because we can make 250k gems a day doesnt mean anyone can do it just like that. For cid you need monarch familiar sasuke, or atleast monarch escanor with a divnity memoria and rukia etc etc

its too costly for the cid raid, and for oddesy its just absolutely boring

[warped trout]

ye ik i was js telling him the more optimal method
i wasn’t making excuses for the way its designed

[floral cliff]

Ah, sorry im too used to people talkin about not complaining abt ts

like look bro, i got him monarch but he is literally useless without familiar

[hexed tide]

how many days left?

[floral cliff]

and i need a week more to get that too

[floral cliff]

7 ._.

[hexed tide]

its so boring to do

[floral cliff]

i know.

[hexed tide]

i lowkey forgot to do it a coupl of time

[indigo steeple]

And what do you think my calcs are based off... 370h its with odyssey 😭

[warped trout]

.

[indigo steeple]

Even using cid sasuke method its like 10 days and only a few players can do that

[indigo steeple]

Its not even x2 more gems sadly

[warped trout]

ok?

the point was he was making 20k😭

[indigo steeple]

Oh the inf guy? 😭

[warped trout]

he got banned idk

[indigo steeple]

Dang

[spare sluice]

Yo dude can you actually suggest a method which doesn’t require afk ing for weeks

[umbral solar]

There is none

[warped trout]

anything can be afked so it doesn’t exist

[spare sluice]

I really wish I didn’t skip the vf for sasuke

[warped trout]

get it now.

🥶

[spare sluice]

Ye just 8 more days

I would properly get the next vanguard unit in the next update before alucard T-T

[indigo steeple]

By the time casuals get both the unit and his memoria he went down 15 tiers from the tier list

[warped trout]

i doubt

hes js that good😭

[spare sluice]

True

[warped trout]

maybe tho
ichigo next

[spare sluice]

Need to upgrade him ig

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[fervent latch]

300 stars and not a single dev responded, W communication 🥹

[indigo steeple]

I got a 1% of hope that when they drop the mini update for custom levels you will be able to gain a good amount of gems daily and also add some of my changes/other people suggestions

[ember siren]

Forgetting that the need for gems will be higher as gem memorias gets added overtime...

[frank folio]

Manual slavery vs tinytask

[subtle stream]

and apparently they're shadow nerfing things so thats how u know they love communicating

[warped trout]

what did they shadow nerf?

[subtle stream]

makima's memoria with sasuke

[warped trout]

not a shadow nerf

legit a bug

[indigo steeple]

It was not really intended to work like that so i understand not making it public

[subtle stream]

not a bug

[indigo steeple]

Arc should count as an attack only for Sasuke not for other familiars/memorias

[viscid lake]

oh yeah its 12.38 days without vip straight of odyssey inf with stable internet or like 9.38-.68 with vip for both pities

[indigo steeple]

Takes even more days cuz you can fail on certain bosses, its 370h of odyssey if you get 6k gems per hour constantly

[terse orbit]

av devs when asked for a longer update so they add a 3 month slop grind with multiple update delays instead of actual content

[indigo steeple]

Almost 16 days without vip, 13 days for vip

[vale cliff]

yeah but think of all those Pheonix shards you’d get

[indigo steeple]

Doesnt odyssey just give 500 gems every ~5 minutes

[restive pawn]

If you’re only farming gems yeah

More like 6 since you have to lobby every time

[vale cliff]

I think the most optimal way only gives gems yeah

[indigo steeple]

Its fucked up man thats all i can say

[terse orbit]

why are you muted for saying 🥭 when its what keeps the game alive

[indigo steeple]

Idk honestly, ccs make a bunch of vids and talk openly on chats about it but if ur a low rank u cant ig

Ask the mods

[mental flicker]

shouldnt this be on starboard by now

[terse orbit]

its a valid suggestion so it isnt on starboard sadly

lol they disabled auto skip start on limitless odyssey so it takes longer to clear be so fr

[indigo steeple]

What is starboard?

Do you mean spotlight or its another thing

[mental flicker]

spotlights

[indigo steeple]

Yeah its on spotlight
#「⭐」spotlight message

[modest sundial]

manual slavery

[warped trout]

look at the context before saying ts

[modest sundial]

would any inf range work?

[terse orbit]

delta does it the best

[warped trout]

prob
i think most mangroves use delta

[terse orbit]

god statue messes with the other inf range units

delta targets weakest so it goes for the statue first

[modest sundial]

ah

so u just make the mackrp go until you lose then what

[terse orbit]

until you get 500 gems

return to lobby then repeat

[jagged sigil]

this is the most stars ive seen for a suggestion 💀 just shows people aren't really that happy about it

[cosmic patrol]

Holy shit

322 stars is crazy

[jagged sigil]

and yet not a single dev has been in here but for other minor suggestions there is, crazy work

[cosmic patrol]

Ye

I don’t be why they can’t do a normal stage

So people can argue their points

Instead of them just denying shit

[vapid raft]

dude, it was full of youtubers asking stupid questions or normal people asking stupid questions, there was never a "debate"

[cosmic patrol]

Oh

[vapid raft]

Q&A is a lot better since i dont have to hear ab plays voice ever again

[warped trout]

ye well game is performing pretty well
thats all they care abt rly
even if theres 325 stars rn people are still giving them money

[jagged sigil]

[cosmic patrol]

Valid point

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[oak granite]

nerf acheron

[restive pawn]

Not yet I’m still rolling

[uneven kettle]

Agree

[harsh valve]

I could like to return of paragon other than playing elemental tower

[restive pawn]

Paragon was not that good 💀🙏

[cosmic patrol]

Most star suggestion of all time

Vs most chud update decisions of today

[hollow snow]

nah, shiny transfer was like 500-600 before being taken down

[restive pawn]

I think my shiny transfer post got like 700+. I may be wrong tho

nvm it was 500

[cosmic patrol]

That’s aura

Does it take that many stars to add stuff in this game

[restive pawn]

Stars are never a guarantee, it wasnt added until months after my post was taken down

[cosmic patrol]

O

[harsh valve]

For gems it is

[spare sluice]

Bump

[lilac ocean]

they act like this some schedule shit instead of treating them like "bugs" and fix asap

[spare sluice]

Bump

At least we need a x2 gems

Or Lower pity for guys who never got them

[cinder pulsar]

I know that, but majority of people dont play outside of updates. not to mention its extremely tedious, since the amount of stones required has more than doubled because of memorias

[spare sluice]

Bump

[modest sundial]

what u know about that one rimiru suggestion

or gurren lagen

https://discord.com/channels/1205546848035799081/1351829600438587423 this is the most ive seen

[midnight dawn]

twin i got 4 alucards 2 alu memoria and i still have 1m gems left holy shi yall unlucky

[midnight dawn]

we need simon and rimuru fr

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[wild lantern]

bump

[crimson oracle]

its fine a lot of people made that mistake including me

i am someone who's very unlucky with monarchs, no shit i will get as many rerolls as i can, so i always bought the rerolls

to roll on the #1 character at that time

[spare sluice]

Same here

Gl to you and me

[restive pawn]

Oh dang that blew up

[karmic flicker]

you cant get them to do something that they said they wouldn't do, unless the whole community demands it

[floral cliff]

unless the CCU drops to like 5 people or smth i don think theyll care 😭

[spare sluice]

Yo gng 7 more days for sasuke vf so i can farm gems

Am about to loose my mind at this point

[shy whale]

It’s funny how they buffed escanor by removing his only weakness before even thinking about buffing diavolo or Rogita

[spare sluice]

True

But I think it’s cuz both Diavolo and rogita are rare

[restive pawn]

The fastest cid clear doesn’t even use sasuke anymore

[spare sluice]

Cuz many people don’t have them

[spare sluice]

Can you tell me the set up ?

[restive pawn]

You’re not gonna guess it

It used alocard with fam and memoria 😛

[spare sluice]

Thought so

Bro gave me 0.1 % hope and ripped it away 😂

[restive pawn]

The clear time using sasuke after the bug got patched is the same as just farming odyssey

So you don’t have to wait for sasuke to farm gems

[soft charm]

348 stars this guy cooked

[spare sluice]

But it’s under 50 sec right ?

[restive pawn]

Nah it’s like 1:30 now

It used to be 40 sec

[spare sluice]

Welp great

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[vague venture]

guess what now you can't

[floral cliff]

id ont think it will do anything

as much as id like it to, they might just yk, ignore it

[fervent latch]

they're already ignoring it lol

[floral cliff]

quite aware

[spare sluice]

Bump

[somber summit]

back in my day we had 2500 rr secret monarch pity

[floral cliff]

I think the fact that they havent done this yet to this post, or similar, means they are thinking about it and they MIGHT do something

[modest sundial]

oh that was good fun

[spare sluice]

Bump

[restive pawn]

Bump

[sterile stone]

bump

[cursive basalt]

Bumpin cus dis fye

[onyx scroll]

bump

[spring bone]

Imo even without the memoria banner costs we still don’t get enough gems whatsoever

[spare sluice]

Bump

[restive pawn]

bump

[past echo]

Yo we need ts

[spare sluice]

bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[frank folio]

Bump

[wild lantern]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[bold whale]

bump

[glossy mist]

W
Makima and Denji memoria chances are fine imo, the stages are ez and now u can m word the entire time.

also make it so memorias convert to gems or winter presents or the currency depending on what banner it is

devs removed geting currency from units to gold from memorias :/ L trade off

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[wild lantern]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[wild lantern]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[wild lantern]

Bump

[indigo steeple]

Bump

[floral cliff]

bumpppp

[torn spear]

i would also like to mention the absurdity of the power creep the game is experiencing rn

like i wanna use older units but if i dont use new meta units i just cant do a lot of stages

specifically conquest which is hard enough by itself

[untold lark]

i agree with you but conquest is supossed to be a hard endgame content

[iron furnace]

bump?!

[spare sluice]

Bump

[tiny elbow]

Conquest is meant to be hard if anything, whole point for it is to see which team can capture the most areas before the stages become nearly impossible

if you cat a reset, you can pretty much use anything

Yesterday, they reset and I did my 10 stages with escanor and auto play on fire LMAO

[dense ibex]

Even with this kind of treat, still can finished the game like 1-2 days.

[torn spear]

when does it reset cause i legit cannot beat it unless im microing everything

[tiny elbow]

Honestly, no clue...I caught the reset yesterday by accident

[torn spear]

when was this

well regardless 3m off round 1 is still insane cause people don’t got schedules open to be on the game at a specific time constantly

[tiny elbow]

thats true, yesterday it was mere luck I was on and decided to check

I woulnt be able to give you a time tho, was very tired and didnt check clock

[torn spear]

fair enough

[indigo steeple]

What

[past echo]

Bump

[spare sluice]

Bump

[fervent latch]

[jagged solar]

his argument wasnt a gem farm, it was not being able to do cid stagge

[copper nest]

his argument was a gem farm

"cid stage needs" in the context of pity is talking abt a gem farm for said pity

[spring pine]

so now they need to keep resetting every time someone is not available to do it, if they decided to reset randomly? Why are we listening to noobie always having the dumbest takes out of all

cus what do you mean they should nerf conquest because you can't handle 3m hp enemies on first wave mind you rifts has 1m on wave 1 but you can solo it with escanor and rukia

[torn spear]

when did i say that they gotta reset it anytime people want it to

all they need to do is be more clear when it gets reset

[torn spear]

if you werent illiterate you saw i said i could beat it

tb about me having the worst take of all when you cant comprehend regular literacy

dense asf✌️

lmk how a casual player would enjoy conquest btw or the insane power creep this update

[floral cliff]

i dont even enjoy the 15m hp enemies bro, and ive been endgame for eons 😭

[torn spear]

who does dude

yet this guy says im doing bad takes

the irony is deafening

[floral cliff]

the fact is, difficult stages dont mean fun

that gamemode is rewarding horrible too, i mean only 10k gems a WEEK? and thats for the winners

[torn spear]

i don’t like how gem rewards are so low

it feels like filler for the rerolls

[floral cliff]

ive been farming all week, and barely got to 10k summons btw

i need 15k MORE for just alucard

and this aint even me afking it, FULL manual. Its genuienly making me get alu then quit the game

[torn spear]

ive been on the game nonstop ever since i started and i havent gotten over 10k summons

thats how scarce it is

[floral cliff]

im doing elemental towers with a friend, been doing it and its been hella awfull

[torn spear]

ive been afking nonstop too just as u am rn

[torn spear]

i can’t beat that cuz im still 2 weeks new i js got really lucky with monarchs

[floral cliff]

i doner aint even afked this update btw

[torn spear]

i would mention the elegant stage drops but its all 4%

[floral cliff]

nah those are not that bad, you max gotta play for a few hours

[torn spear]

but the lack of filler rewards too like why can’t they do the same rewards as boss raids to some extent

[floral cliff]

at one point i get it, since its a filler update, cuz yk next update is vanguard ichigoat, so ofc this one is gonna be small. But they REALLY had to ruin the csm update

[torn spear]

also with the sheer amount of units they added you’d expect them to add a stage that drops rerolls even if its 1%

trait rerolls only cuz memoria r still fairly new

[floral cliff]

not even rerolls, just gems in general would be better bro, its been the most useless currency since the heian era, only for like SOME units being worthwhile

[torn spear]

like even if their argument is reselling shinies for rerolls it wouldnt matter

they rarely reset shop stocks from what ive heard

[floral cliff]

once a blue moon

[torn spear]

yeah so i dont see why they wont add 2x gems alongside the 2x events

dont see it hurting anybody tbh

[floral cliff]

literally saw a helper say "oh but you can get 180k gems a day" yes if you afk for 24 hours that is the maximum you can get, doesnt mean its possible

see now im officially under 15k

[torn spear]

they forget maybe only 2k players are that dedicated to afk farming

racking up electricity bill for no reason atp

[floral cliff]

its almost as iff like 40k ppl just hopped off since the release of this update

[torn spear]

ya but update hype always works like that so i wouldn’t turn it into a factor

[wild lantern]

the pity is making me go insane

[distant swallow]

It's almost like people completed the update and dont have much else to do

[torn spear]

i highly doubt 40 people fully explored the update but yeah thats a possibility or they just couldnt be bothered with it

[distant swallow]

I mean, for a lot of players?

You get and evolve the update units, maybe roll on them a little, maybe try for the alucard stuff if you already have him or care about it, maybe take a look at the land conquest, but then you're done

And if you're a casual player, even that still only really takes a few days at most

[torn spear]

okay but this has nothing to do with us complaining about the lack of gem opportunities

[distant swallow]

Unless you're really hard chasing alucard and his memoria

[distant swallow]

And? I was talking about the "40k players hopping off since update release" is just a completely natural thing that isn't really a point here

[torn spear]

i agreed with you on that why are you getting on me for it

[distant swallow]

?????

[civic reef]

not really

[torn spear]

^

[distant swallow]

I wasn't "getting on you for it" at all my guy

[torn spear]

sure

[floral cliff]

obviously. But if they dont start doing smth about gems then im sayin its gonna start falling down

[indigo steeple]

Ima try my best at you but how the hell you can say that someone completed the update without Alu/His mem?

Its like saying that i completed the winter update without Rukia/Her mem 😭

[distant swallow]

Because it's a permanently available banner vanguard thing that's a lot harder to grind out. Having alucard as a goal without gems saved up to chip away at pity is just asking to be burnt out

the main point of the update were the CSM units, that's where the main casual goalpost is set

[wispy light]

yo 27 yrs old without a licence you dont have the right to disagree with the big sergiix

[distant swallow]

[indigo steeple]

By your exact same logic, if Makima was a vanguard (Or Ichigo vanguard in the near future) they could be like a 1 in 5k stage drop and take 300h of afk just because they are permanent?

(Even if the game updates and meta changes every 3 weeks)

[distant swallow]

That is... Not at all the logic I was using?

[untold lark]

thats just bad game design

[indigo steeple]

Your whole points/logic on this post was either:
1)He is permanent duh, there is no fomo, just burn ur device for 2 weeks
2)You should have had Alucard before the upd and 800k gems saved up bruh, skill issue

I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously with such empty arguments

[pine nest]

🥀 it’s you again

[distant swallow]

I'm glad you're making up my logic for me, means I don't have to do anything else because you're solving the argument for me

[pine nest]

She argues just to argue btw

[true steeple]

tell em arcane

[pine nest]

Never seen her agree with a single suggestion in my life

[pine nest]

🥹

[oak granite]

SILENCE.

[fervent latch]

[torn spear]

im not one to talk but do yall also struggle getting trait rerolls as f2p

i got really lucky and have over 10 monarchs at lvl 97 rn but i still struggle really hard to get any

[fervent latch]

rn there isn't really much to do other than valentine event and alucard's

[torn spear]

so they do feel scarce for a reason

was just wondering since traits are a huge part of the game

[jade vault]

traits are so easy to get nowadays

[fervent latch]

Yeah lowkey it's the first time since they added events that i feel like I'm not getting that much rrs

[jade vault]

just play the event and summon during 2x shiny

[torn spear]

yeah this is true

[fervent latch]

[jade vault]

[torn spear]

we just had a argument about gems a couple of chats up

[fervent latch]

just afk for a week, W gameplay

[jade vault]

??

[torn spear]

i mean its a tower defense you cant really use that as an argument

[jade vault]

that wasnt the point

[fervent latch]

I'm not even arguing about it cuz that's what i do anyways

it's just stupid for that to be the only good source of rerolls

[torn spear]

^

complete rng btw no guarantee youll get a lot

[pine nest]

Let’s take a look at a casual player that REALLY wants alucard. He has a few monarchs and has managed to trade for a vip and premium pass. He farms cid raid act 1, the fastest renewable gem farm without alucard. He fully locks in for 60 minutes per day, netting 45 second clears, meaning 80 clears, or 8000 gems. Then he logs off and sits in afk chamber for on average ~10 hours a day, netting another 8250 gems. In total, this casual player nets 16250 gems per day. Suppose he gets unlucky, and has to go to pity for both alucard and his memoria, totaling 1.8 million gems. 1800000/16250 means he spends 111 days, or nearly 4 months before he finally gets alucard and his memoria. You’re very much delusional if u still think alucard will be top meta by then, or even meta at all. Saying that he is permanent is not an argument at all when he will clearly be outdated by the time any casual or manual player can get him.

[hollow snow]

whats also bad is that youre not even unlucky if you dont pull alucard or his memoria before hitting the pity, since the pity is at the odds of actually pulling the character

[restive pawn]

Holy peak

Common Void W

[vale cliff]

u right about the gem part but wrong ngl about the him being meta at all

he'll definitely be meta for a long time with how his kit is designed

[pine nest]

“Despair but better” got added how long after ainz?

[cyan needle]

People said that about Dio and the guy is barely ran on any teams nowadays 😭

I have monarch on him and I haven’t used him at all since Ainz dropped

[vale cliff]

i was more talking about his interactions with overpowered dot buffing units that seemingly get added every few updates and are still in the game

and +35% wounded, not sure if thats what your referring to with better despair but

[restive pawn]

Ngl, only reason 4 months may not be long enough for him to fall out of Meta is because we would only have like 3 updates in that time span

[pine nest]

I mean imo it’s a given that his dps will be powercrept with time

[vale cliff]

dio was kinda mid from the start icl
being able to apply 1 status effect isnt as useful as people thought since only like 3 are actually useful
the timestop is ok but his cost, late dmg spike, + poor pattern on that late dmg is why hes so mid

[pine nest]

Especially being reliant on memoria and familiar

His support aspect may last longer but still won’t be relevant forever

[vale cliff]

yeah but he has slow + ultra wounded
no other character will have ultra wounded im guessing

[pine nest]

Yeah that’s what we said about original alucard

And then ainz

[vale cliff]

no unit is
i agree that gems should get buffed/pity should be lowered tho

[pine nest]

And now vf alucard

[vale cliff]

original alucard was in meta support for almost a full year yo 🥀

[indigo steeple]

I would argue about that almost no one uses chamber since it sucks or about what has premium pass to do with all this, but at the end on the day you are reaching the same end goal as me... Most casuals are NOT getting him neither the memoria 😭

[silver junco]

[pine nest]

Yeah but the rate of power creep has clearly increased

[cyan needle]

We had like 0 good support units drop

[indigo steeple]

On an update that was supposed to be aimed at casuals

[vale cliff]

ngl i feel like the opposite will be true in the upcoming updates, based on what valk wanted memorias to be

im assuming this spike is due to hype for alucard, and will lead other teams or elements up to where the current alucard team is rn

obviously they dont want the game to become like als 🥀 at the rate they're going now, that would happen before 2027

[pine nest]

I agree but it was js to cover my bases

[vale cliff]

obviously the pity/gem rates arent good or even ok though

im just saying that alucard is designed to be meta for a while now

[undone night]

[pine nest]

Yeah but by the time a casual player gets it it ain’t gonna be top 1 dps is all I’m sayin

[vale cliff]

probably not, but you also have to consider a casual player wont gaf about the modes alucard is actually needed for

[pine nest]

Game gets soloed by Zoro 😭 ofc u don’t need him for much

[vale cliff]

literally everything besides omni tower, omni land conquest, and i guess tournaments if hes not banned (or one of his supports) arent impacted by alucard much

cid is debatable since sasuke still works fine for that

[vale cliff]

exactly my point 🥀
casual players arent gonna need alucard since hes most useful for stuff they dont play

[pine nest]

However pretty much every casual player still wants him just for cool factor

[vale cliff]

i get that ig

idk seras + anderson for me gap him in coolness so its not really motivation for me

[pine nest]

I mean like you’re kinda bringing up the diavolo argument from the ddd days

[vale cliff]

im agreeing with you im just saying he wont be powercrept as easily as you think

and that casual players not having him isnt a big deal since they can still do the content

[indigo steeple]

I mean isnt the point of casuals to check the new game modes and evolve all the units/the ones they like? Not going for Alu this update is like not going for Rukia past one

[vale cliff]

what do you define as "casual" even

[pine nest]

Well @distant swallow definition is someone that doesn’t afk whatsoever

Imo casuals are the ones that are only willing to play for like a week after update, afking or not

[vale cliff]

that doesnt make sense

yours does

[silver junco]

Does that mean I’m a casual now

[pine nest]

[silver junco]

I’m only playing av for bug hunting deadass

[pine nest]

Real

U still afk tho

[silver junco]

I don’t

I can’t even be bothered to turn on the macro

[pine nest]

[jagged sigil]

absolutely clocked 😭

[spare sluice]

Bump