Let Reimu and Sakuya use memorias

[polar crest]

These units have been mid since they were added in 7.0 and the moment a mechanic which lets u capitalize on these units SPA gets added they just get banished to the shadow realm. Like at least attempt to tweak their numbers so they could have some type of use at least with memorias?

[cerulean lion]

Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[long parcel]

they would need to only get like 10% of the memoria's buff and would still be very strong

[polar crest]

surely its possible for valk to balance them with memorias somehow like damage drop off on attack layers they gain or something 😭

[polar crest]

bump

[brisk parrot]

why was it even removed from them

[slate warren]

ig they were too op with it

[long parcel]

4M dps without buffers

[slate warren]

Yeah but deku does inf dps why dont they disable him

[brisk parrot]

but like how did that even happen

[slate warren]

Yo why u caroline me

Plz stop

[long parcel]

they have low base damage and can attack up to like 50 times per second

[brisk parrot]

😨

[brisk parrot]

ah

[past tulip]

literally everyone who knew of reimu and sakuya's existence knew they would be busted, it was literally prophesized the moment memorias announced flat damage
no one on the developing side of the game could figure that out beforehand when basically anyone not on the team could figure it out? And there's no better solution than to just disable them outright? What happened to balancing them, how about making memorias 10% or 6% as effective on reimu? I hope they really change it

[shut mantle]

I doubt it

[past tulip]

why so

[shut mantle]

They can’t find a solution to balance it we know this 😭

[past tulip]

Add passive (or alter existing one) for reimu/ sakuya that determines Memoria potency

[shut mantle]

look what happened to lfelt in both pvp and the event mode

[past tulip]

true the dev team makes themselves out to be a bunch of silly gooses

i hate bandwagoning on "blame testers" but genuinely ANYONE couldve foreseen reimu dps and no one on the tester team could?

if they somehow missed it they are doing a poor job / if they could not test it out they are not being given the right tools as resters

[sturdy turtle]

Exactly they can't be making every other unit good

[polar crest]

bump

[nova pilot]

It's not their numbers that would need to be tweaked, it's the memorias'

And let's not nerf every memoria under the roof just to let reimu and sakuya use em

Reimu was doing upwards of 4m dps with good memoria, that would be the worst thing to happen since pre nerf lfelt

They have wonky ass kits that interact terribly with memoria

[sturdy turtle]

They can just let reimu and sakuya have 1/3 of the buff from memoria?

Ur forgetting that they are single target 😭

[nova pilot]

1/3rd is still way too much, and if you're making it like 10% then nothing has changed for em

[nova pilot]

Reimu has pierce

[sturdy turtle]

Still a garbage aoe

And it does less damage when it pierces?

Weird ass hitboxes as well its inconsistent

[sturdy turtle]

400k dps in this day and age isn't even that good 😭 especially with the addition of memorias

Before memorias yh 400k dps would be crazy

[nova pilot]

Yeah man i dont think 1/3rd of 4m is 400k

[sturdy turtle]

U said 10%

Read what you type bro

[nova pilot]

I said if it was just 10% as effective then nothing would change because the units would stay bad😭

[sturdy turtle]

Memorias are supposed to make old units good?

[nova pilot]

They do do that for a lot of old units yeah

[sturdy turtle]

And 1.3m dps with an ass aoe + inconsistent + mid range isn't gamebreakingly op

[nova pilot]

I disagree and I think the devs do too, there's no point to this argument anyway so ima head out

[sturdy turtle]

I don't think the devs bothered considering it but anyways cya

[polar crest]

why would they do this? there is code they can write to limit the effectiveness of memorias on the specific units

its definitely possible for the devs to balance out reimu and sakuyas dps with memorias its just up to whether they want to do it tbh

[sturdy turtle]

These devs are lazy so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother

[potent musk]

thinking is free btw

[pine sorrel]

😭

[polar crest]

yea but who knows maybe someone might look into it

[sturdy turtle]

And you trust them to do that? 😂😂😂

[slate warren]

did thinking tell you that

[frozen marsh]

woah

[potent musk]

proved my point even more

[jolly gull]

they weren’t healthy bruh what

[polar crest]

ofc not but who knows

like they could at least attempt some type of balancing for them yk

[polar crest]

bump

[past tulip]

b

[sturdy turtle]

I doubt that they will bother

[pine sorrel]

Give both of them their own exclusive memoria (joke)

[polar crest]

bump

[past tulip]

B

[polar crest]

bump

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[shadow pollen]

They wouldn’t even be broken

The issue is they would be one of the best units but they’re unob

And devs don’t want people to have to rely on trading

[polar crest]

not really a valid excuse when majority of meta in the game consists of unob units anyway or units that are going to be unob at some point in the future

[past tulip]

same reason they removed inf and worldline leaderboards right?

no wait thats why gilgamesh was so trash

[shadow pollen]

That’s not why they removed lbs

[past tulip]

💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

is it impossible to make the memorias 5% or 6% as effective? 🧐🧐🧐 maybe for AV

Memoria damage increase is x% as effective on this unit.

just add this to a passive 🧐🧐

[polar crest]

too much work

[past tulip]

literally their excuse for everything

[polar crest]

lets not even attempt to balance the mechanic for these units and just disable it instead

💀

[past tulip]

yes yes yes and lets not test Reimu and Sakuya beforehand either

its not like rocket scientists thought up that reimu would be cracked

we AV players are neanderthals and we STILL figured it out because its that simple

[shadow pollen]

Not really the same situation

Let’s say u were a person that played during sakuya and reimu bp

Non macroer

And u looked at a showcase and saw that the units were kinda mid so u don’t go for it

Then a few updates later it randomly becomes the best dps in the game

And u can’t get it anymore

[past tulip]

What's your thoughts on making memorias less effective in units like this

[polar crest]

it’s almost like the whole point of memorias was to make old units good again

[past tulip]

but still usable

[polar crest]

this hypothetical is irrelevant anyway like they claim the units were unhealthy and disable it fair enough

but they can at the very least try SOME balancing

[shadow pollen]

Like I said in the other suggestion it’s just not really worth their time to add something for specifically 2 random units

[polar crest]

i promise you writing code that sets a % effectiveness of a mechanic for two specific units won’t take no longer than 5 minutes

but u right its not worth their time when they have ppl on their team who focus on balancing

[past tulip]

V*lk

been the worst balancer for a raw like 4 updates straight

[polar crest]

tbf valks good at designing units kits and controlling power creep

[past tulip]

Zoro 🥹

[civic radish]

controlling power creep

literally had to disable memorias on two units because he didn’t know how to balance

[hybrid creek]

Kinda shows memorias werent planned long enough

I wonder if they couldnt find more unique additions for units so they js split up their kits and gave them damage buffs

[polar crest]

i mean overall valk is good at what he does

like the games state is much better than other atds

[past tulip]

competition is lowkey like UTD and ALS

AC actually does pretty good, id say better than AV

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[shadow pollen]

I promise u that u are wrong

[shadow pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793231604985888798/1446407434317987850/togif.gif

[past tulip]

truths people cant accept

[polar crest]

• someone with 0 coding experience

just yapping to yap

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[shadow pollen]

There’s probably not a single thing u could add to av that would take less than 5 min

Just going through testing and then uploading to main game take longer than that

[polar crest]

can u read properly?

i don’t even get what ur argument is rn

[shadow pollen]

Saying it takes 5 min to write the code is irrelevant

[polar crest]

how is that irrelevant? 😭

isnt this you here saying its not worth their time to balance 2 units with the memorias?

so i pointed out it would take 5min to write the code so it is relevant??

like actually what are u even trying to argue rn

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[polar crest]

b

[prime shale]

why cant these characters use memorias again?

[shut mantle]

Too broken

[prime shale]

unfortunate

[polar crest]

b

[rancid valve]

I think its not that broken

[polar crest]

fr

b

[blazing salmon]

how the

[robust fog]

because they were balanced around a base damage of 65, not 12k

[blazing salmon]

oh

is that the reason of that ss of that rare monarch was doing 100k?

[robust fog]

Well that's just how memorias work

rare units just don't have a lot of upgrades to take advantage of how much they give

The problem is that Reimu attacks multiple times a second with multiple hitboxes, so she has naturally low base damage to compensate. When you add a flat damage bonus to that in the thousands, that spirals out of control very quickly

They'd need to make memorias like, less than 5% effective on those units to make them balanced

[blazing salmon]

idk how they work i just use what wiki suggests for meta units

[long parcel]

335
but yea a memoria is like 20x their dps

[blazing salmon]

Oh 😭

[robust fog]

huh

[long parcel]

base dmg is max upg lvl 1

[robust fog]

oh

even still

it's a huge flat damage steroid to a unit who's designed around having really low base damage

[blazing salmon]

how do they work

i never been told

[blazing salmon]

oh

i should lowk evo my memorials for that 40%

[robust fog]

Yeah, even if you're using them on other units without the exclusive passives, the stat boost is super important

[sturdy turtle]

Sakuya and Reimu are relatively new units 😭 even if they stayed being op with memorias then their value wouldn't rise that high, people would still be able to trade for them easily

[robust fog]

Trading should still be a wholly optional thing and not something people feel pressured or forced to do

[wispy grove]

unevolved zoro can solo the whole game therefore everything in the game is optional

[robust fog]

[wispy grove]

am i at all wrong

[robust fog]

That's not at all the point

[polar crest]

is it possible?

[wispy grove]

no

[polar crest]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rain-vegeta-in-the-pNn4hlkovWAHfpLRRD

[shadow pollen]

No u are 100% correct

But I’m just explaining why they won’t do this

Not that it’s inherently wrong

[wispy grove]

i dont think it should happene either but "ppl shouldnt be forced to trade" is a bad reason

ANYONE can get a fresh account, evo zoro, macro for rukia memo then clear litearlly every stage in the entire game

[blazing salmon]

Your not sadly

He solo most of it with monarch I think besides raids rifts

[wispy grove]

unevo traitless zoro can solo the gg ex

[blazing salmon]

What one gg?

[wispy grove]

the only thing he cant solo is the shanks rift

which you can simply just leech in pubs

[wispy grove]

guilty gear ex stage

[blazing salmon]

Ye i been hosting them for ppl who missed aswell so it not hard

[wispy grove]

ye

[blazing salmon]

Ah tbf I was gonna monarch him but no need plus ima save till next event for gaurnteed monarch on vanguard

[late wing]

crazy to admit

[blazing salmon]

Wym?

[blazing salmon]

I hate math i just use what ppl say to use

[late wing]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[blazing salmon]

?

Im confused

[blazing salmon]

Also with rukia zoro u prob solo afk everything it took me 1 and half days to get rukia no pity and 1 day to get memorial

[blazing salmon]

Besides rift shaks

[sturdy turtle]

And comp in this game is dead anyways so the only gameplay is for casuals 😭 people just mad because they don't have the unit ibsr

[karmic mortar]

So the only way to get shiny benimaru now is by chance when you reach floor 50?

[blazing salmon]

Ye go to #「❓」questions tho

[polar crest]

at this point theres no reason they shouldnt be allowed to use memorias

pysephs words on balancing