About the latest Conqueror's Conflict update

[ruby turtle]

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[north forge]

not a big fan of devs banning units players invested resources on but whatever

same thing happened with pvp units

[quick lark]

i mean if they have to ban a unit atleats do it right when you know shes overpowered and people are starting to use her in strategies which are too broken

because aslong as a unit leaves untouched without announcement more players will invest on it just to be a time waste

[foggy jacinth]

Yeah, changes like this should be announced. Banning the unit outright is also just a lazy bandaid solution, if you really wanna fix things then sort out the real issues with the unit, ie love shot

[topaz coral]

lfelt, the unit that is always banned in the gamemodes she good at

[ashen ruin]

She was good in pvp but got banned too I think 😭

She aint never shining again

[quick lark]

exactly

[north forge]

#bringbackprimelfelt

[ashen ruin]

then they also banned ainz which is massive

[quick lark]

made her conmpletely useless like this

[quick lark]

i mean well that is less of a problem

because ainz is good in all other gamemodes

[foggy jacinth]

Yeah because shes terribly balanced

Love shot is a blunder in terms of balancing

[topaz coral]

she was made for pvp and yet she got banned there

[foggy jacinth]

Literally just change it instead of having to ban her from everything

[quick lark]

so investing on him is worth. everytime.
but not lfelt, she is only good to invest on such gamemodes and useless in everything else but she always gets banned where shes good at

[north forge]

wym she was made for pvp she was for EVERYTHING prenerf

[quick lark]

well they should keep the ability like it is but nerf it instead

[ashen ruin]

They talking about after the nerf she was a pvp demon

Idk why they can’t just rework it instead of banning her

[north forge]

stupid bum kazuma😡

[foggy jacinth]

It should not scale to enemy hp or should have a cap for how much hp the summons can have

[ashen ruin]

Getting banned from 2 modes is insane

[quick lark]

yep

star ts guys

[north forge]

strongest unit to ever touch this game pregutting

[torpid hound]

putting HP caps on stuff like that is really dumb

don’t go to ALS school for balancing

[foggy jacinth]

Yeah and the ability that insta kills enemies and turns them into summons whose hp scales off their original health isn't

[quick lark]

he prob was just trying to give out an example

the point here is to not ban straight up but nerf instead

[foggy jacinth]

Are you legit just talking to talk😭

Yeah man having the ability not potentially do infinite damage is als balancing

The ability that does damage based off enemy hp isnt

[torpid hound]

literally because ALS does that crap all the time with HP scaling stuff

”50 trillion damage cap”

banning Ainz was also a very smooth brained move

[sleek pollen]

in what world is a nerf to the entire char better than a ban in a single gamemode

[quick lark]

so it prevents getting banned in every gamemode shes good at?

[torpid hound]

Maybe if the devs designed enemies well we wouldnt have these issues

[sleek pollen]

shldnt wouldnt be used in the first place if she was nerfed 😭

[quick lark]

whos to say that

she could be better than other units in those specific gamemode without being broken

[neat cave]

wasnt lfelt giga nerfed already

[sleek pollen]

tbf it depends on the nerf but again nerfing a char is never a good look

[neat cave]

or was that byeken

[sleek pollen]

^

[quick lark]

and she was still somehow broken

[foggy jacinth]

The issue was always love shot

[quick lark]

meaning the nerf didnt make her balanced

[neat cave]

yeah but it was on an experimental mode of all things

[north forge]

circle used to be more than triple
no limit for ability
no limit for converted enemies
25% instead of 10%

[quick lark]

point is they should nerf her to keep her balanced and maybe better than other units without being broken in such gamemodes and leading to her ban

[neat cave]

😭

[north forge]

still she was op so got banned in pvp

[neat cave]

nerfing characters so long after they are released isnt good, banning isnt good either but nerfing her all around isnt a better option

[quick lark]

her being a unit with a pvp passive too

[foggy jacinth]

So insane that this made it through any phase of unit design

Deadass an ability als would do💀

[sleek pollen]

honestly could have given the enemies the meter drain mod

[north forge]

testers were sleeping

[quick lark]

still nerfing is a better option than banning her and making her a waste of investment

[neat cave]

its not

[quick lark]

OR maybe add restrictions to units in those gamemodes instead of nerfing the units themselves

[foggy jacinth]

Still a bandaid fix, love shot is fundamentally broken and should not continue existing in the state it is in

[neat cave]

both would be a waste of investment, nerfing her or banning her would lead to players not using her

[quick lark]

again, adding restrictions but making her one of the best options but not broken

[quick lark]

not really if shes a better option than other units

[sleek pollen]

true

[foggy jacinth]

As she is rn she's always gonna be dogshit in 99% of content and will make the other 1% a pain in the ass to play

[neat cave]

then why even nerf in the first place

[sleek pollen]

she most likely wont be if shes nerfed 😭

[quick lark]

or atleast ban these units but at the start

or make an announcement saying when shes going to get banned preventing FURTHER waste of investment

[neat cave]

cc is an experimental mode, no one really thought lfelt would be used

[torpid hound]

If enemies had good mechanics Love Shot wouldnt be broken

[quick lark]

they did know how broken she was during 2nd leaderboard why did they let her be used in the 2nd lb without doing anything

and then banning her after players wasted time on her

[sleek pollen]

to me cc is just a test w no bs mods

i dont think any of the enemies do anything special there esp for resilient

[neat cave]

bc they would have to reset lbs mid code freeze

[neat cave]

i dont even think this is possible

[quick lark]

why didnt they announce her incoming ban

[neat cave]

why are you asking me this

[sleek pollen]

at most they could have announced it three days prior

[quick lark]

well you answered the other questions

[quick lark]

still preventing further waste of investment

[neat cave]

because those are answers anyone could have come up with if they used their brain

[quick lark]

okay but still my point stands

[neat cave]

yeah i didnt say it didnt

[quick lark]

they didnt prevent further waste of time

[quick lark]

and okay they can ban or whatever but in the future (like ive said in my suggestion) they have to announce such things.

instead of nerfing if its worse than banning

[torpid hound]

or just dont ban her and the enemies mechanics

[soft condor]

Because they want to see what happens as an experiment if she isn’t available? Because the whole mode is essentially just a demo run for future plans, and it’s probably better to just ban the unit for this rather than nerfing her as a whole and making any “investment” players do more wasted than the single time ban?

[quick lark]

i know the whole mode is an experiment but its a competitive rewarding experiment, where lfelt was a very good unit to use for.
alot of players invested for deadeye on her or even just to get her.
that time is wasted, again, as she gets banned in gamemodes shes good at.
if she has to get banned in gamemodes shes good at they should atleast announce it before

[tall orbit]

can we delete elphelt atp

[quick lark]

for example
announcement:
we're going to ban lfelt next reset

and then players choose whatever they want, short term advantage in the current leaderboard regardless of future uselessness or no waste

[shadow lily]

i agree but they should announce the changes beforehand

and why did they only tell content creators about the bans instead of everyone

[quick lark]

they did?

[shadow lily]

i only knew they were getting banned cause of xopts vid

yea xopt said it in his last vid

[quick lark]

before her ban?

[shadow lily]

yep

[quick lark]

thats a very wrong thing

its an announcement that should be said to the full community

like that they basically told ccs to stop investing on her and let normal players waste their time

[shadow lily]

well it could have been a tester too

all i know is that he was aware of the bans beforehand

[quick lark]

well we know devs were aware of her incoming ban and they decided not to announce it

[true vector]

truth nuke

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[true vector]

xopt mate this suggestion is a good one keep ayanic out of here.

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[undone chasm]

True like trueshinobi

Snm

Ayaanic can stay out

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[foggy jacinth]

Give ayaanic suggestion blacklist.

[grave dune]

Hi lol

[ashen ruin]

https://youtu.be/jEmcgsm0xb0?si=brsxt5wSboBN4evn This will always be the best av video

[lyric oriole]

That's not crazy to say

She was on par w ainz icl

[ashen ruin]

Beyond

[north forge]

she would absolutely destroy ainz😭

[lyric oriole]

no lol

no lol

[peak cradle]

at that point would she not just be useless anyways?

[lyric oriole]

it having infinite range is a problem

And that you can select where it spawns

if it was like at the end of lfelts range it would be slightly more balanced

[grave dune]

valk should be fired for designing elphelt

[regal hedge]

exactly afro, lets fire every dev for making bad decisions

[grave dune]

he is the only balancer bro

how do u have 1 balancer who adds shit like this and not decide to hire another

[broken latch]

ts is js pvp
they dont care
and invested heavily is a large exaggeration cause what r u acc investing in?
if u didnt alr have her evod she was easy to evo and obtain(since ex stage is soloable and mangrovable)
at max ur investing 400rrs to get de😭

[torpid hound]

Nah
Elphelt shows how simplistic this game’s enemy mechanics are

and how easily you can exploit them

[grave dune]

js saying shit bro 😭

[broken latch]

hi chatgpt

🥶 im joking dont touch me pls

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[true vector]

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[fallen mountain]

Nooo whered you get that screenshot its embarrassing

[broken latch]

shows ur soft side dw gng

[tidal quail]

Yeah

[broken latch]

Yeah

[quick lark]

alright i think the devs have seen this message