Rework Ainz

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Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[tender musk]

ainz already too op

[keen kindle]

i mean that is fair but you can only summon one extra unit per match which could add an extra layer of strategy. idk thats js how i feel

[tender musk]

only

😭 even if ainz had 0 damage, with that he would still be top meta

[keen kindle]

how

[tender musk]

free slot + ccs or buffs

• world items and the nuke ability

[keen kindle]

you can only use 1 world item per match

the caloric stone is a world item

[tender musk]

i said in plural bc there exists more than 1 world item

tho only caloric and the mini nuke is rlly used they are still there

[verbal pendant]

js rework ainz in general since he was made to be a infinite leaderboard unit along with mob and horsegirls (rework them all) 💔

[tender musk]

this is essentially just a buff ainz suggestion

[keen kindle]

yes i am aware but as my suggestion states, if you summon an extra unit with the caloric stone that adds to the element slots. meaning that, you use your one world item for an extra unit which people already do

[tender musk]

ainz doesnt need a rework

[keen kindle]

im struggling to see the issue here

[verbal pendant]

some world items do

[tender musk]

bc ainz is already too op

[verbal pendant]

and the nuke too

[tender musk]

i agree but i doubt that will happen, they already say they strongly dislike nerfing units after having released them

[verbal pendant]

that's why rework

[keen kindle]

hes only op if you build an entire team around him

[tender musk]

thats a nerf

making a unit weaker can be called a rework but its also ultimately a nerf

[verbal pendant]

if they rework the world items to be used in progression too that ain't a nerf

[keen kindle]

idk i feel like the wave 50+ thing is kinda needed

on the nuke not so much
wave 20 would be fine

[verbal pendant]

if they added long stages i'd agree with you

[tender musk]

if it aint broken dont mess with it

[verbal pendant]

they need to rework horsegirls in its entirety too because she was made only for infinite lb

ainz 50% inf 50% prog

[keen kindle]

so when they made the first working car they shouldnt have improved it?

[tender musk]

they doing more inf modes as of late

[keen kindle]

[tender musk]

😭

why would they improve ainz

[keen kindle]

you said if its not broke dont fix it and that makes no sense

[verbal pendant]

they made the upd of ainz/horsegirls/mob stupid that's why

[tender musk]

ainz is still #1 unit in the game
horsegirls are still requirement for tournament
mob is there yk

[keen kindle]

better question, why wouldnt they? they have a chance to make a good unit better with a tiny change that wont affect balance as much as you probably think it will

[drifting arrow]

when bro makes a suggestion so shit it dosnet even get showable reactions unless you click the x

[tender musk]

wdym wont affect balance? ainz on his own can get curse floor 100. Thats already broken.

[tender musk]

😭

[verbal pendant]

no 💔

[tender musk]

okay, tell me why you dont think this way.

i'll be pleased to hear your explanation

[pearl oxide]

working cars were broken tho

[verbal pendant]

because they were made for infinite lb and they removed infinite lb bro not that hard 💔

[keen kindle]

ok so he can do that. cool.
but all i want is to be able to get my extra blossom slot when i summon brook 😭

[pearl oxide]

wdym no

[tender musk]

they werent made FOR inf lb they were made for longer modes

[tender musk]

thats already too broken for an already broken unit

[verbal pendant]

and what was the only long mode:(

[tender musk]

wb inf
fall inf
broly dungeon

tournaments

[keen kindle]

HOW BRO?
unkown units already count as 1 to every element 😭

[forest stone]

all of them are good what are we talking abt

[keen kindle]

wb inf has set units

[vivid notch]

only thing i dislike about ainz is having to equip his spells every single stage, i wish they would save

[tender musk]

he asked for longer modes

[keen kindle]

eh but different spells for different modes

[forest stone]

some guy made a suggestion where u cld select them like hks sigils or wtv they are called

[tender musk]

av players cant read

[vivid notch]

and as for the suggestion itself ainz does not need this 💔

[keen kindle]

with the context of ainz i fail to see how you didnt clock that

[tender musk]

im glad these 2 arent balancers

[tender musk]

he asked for longer modes. I gave him longer modes.

[forest stone]

i think we give ainz every spell by default ❤️‍🩹

[vivid notch]

wait thats tough

[tender musk]

we give ainz 6 caloric stone uses too

we make his nuke be usable on wave 1

[forest stone]

why cap it there allow him to summon as many units as he wants and give them monarch plus free to place AND free to upgrade

[tender musk]

tuff

[keen kindle]

im glad yall are finding this comedic. i want you to explain to me in EXTREME DETAIL how this is so bad in your eyes

[pearl oxide]

wdym ainz and uma r amazing in tournies 😭

[forest stone]

ainz is extremely broken he dosent need a buff

[tender musk]

as i said, ainz is already broken this would make him even more broken

[pearl oxide]

its making an already broken unit a buff

[keen kindle]

this isnt a buff its something that makes sense

[tender musk]

its a buff

[vivid notch]

it gives you more access to already overpowered spells, he doesnt need it

[tender musk]

u making a unit stronger, thats a buff

[forest stone]

its a buff it says on his passive units that are equipped 😭

[verbal pendant]

uma straights up need a rework to be usable in 3/4 of the game though

[tender musk]

av players are so smart

[forest stone]

uma dosent need a rework 😭

[pearl oxide]

you realise units made for specific gamemodes have more longevity than most other units??

[keen kindle]

hm ok so to balance him then lets limit his spells to 1, make him 1 mil to upg, remove his monarch and make the best trait he can get marksman, nerf all summon hp to 50% of his damage and remove acid rain all together

[tender musk]

🤷‍♂️ she shines the best on those gamemodes so i ont get the issue

[tender musk]

nobody is asking for a nerf.

[forest stone]

https://tenor.com/view/no-correlation-xy-dots-gif-7901710

[tender musk]

av players cant read

[verbal pendant]

35 waves to max her stats if u r lucky though:(

[pearl oxide]

"if it gets alot of downvotes i do understand" (biggest lie ever)

[tender musk]

LMAOOOO

[forest stone]

shes meant for longer modes and thats fine

[pearl oxide]

bro u dont even need to be that lucky??

[tender musk]

she EXCELS in longer modes so yeah its definetly fine lol

[keen kindle]

mb shoulda clarified
WITH AN EXPLANATION OTHER THAN "broken unit dont need buff "

[verbal pendant]

there are basically none

[pearl oxide]

this doesnt even make sense

[forest stone]

thats really all you need he is literally the best unit in the game atm why are we buffing him 😭

[tender musk]

ok lets rewind a bit, go up and thats literally the first thing i say. Do you know why? because thats obvious. We are using our brains.

[pearl oxide]

it works exactly how every other thing like ainz does

[keen kindle]

[forest stone]

also you dont need to max her shes good without maxing her

[tender musk]

first message btw

[pearl oxide]

for casuals

[keen kindle]

amazing hes the best in the game (3rd)

[pearl oxide]

for casuals

[tender musk]

dont trust @kamui

[keen kindle]

HEY NOW I GET IT
cause i am a fucking casual

[verbal pendant]

fall inf is going away next upd too and I would js love for her to be strong in a lot of content the game offers(

[forest stone]

tl got updated a few hours ago lock in

[tender musk]

hes literally a free slot even if all he did was buff units by 10% he would still be top meta with his 1k placement cost

[pearl oxide]

that tier list sucks a casual tl should be units that make your av experience more efficient

[keen kindle]

reloaded the page 3 times buckaroo

[forest stone]

check pins in general

salt prolly didnt update it yet

[keen kindle]

why he being lazy 💔

[pearl oxide]

holy humbled

[tender musk]

NOW this is a good tierlist, id do some changes but the top characters are all in good placements id say

[keen kindle]

either way i take back what i said ngl
i was basing what i said off of that tl and the experience i have had with ainz myself. still dont get why its such a bad idea but aight

[tender musk]

he still doesnt get it 💔 but wtvr im off to sleep ✌️

[forest stone]

even if he wasnt first hes still third theres no reason to buff him 😭

[tender musk]

he could be dead last in upper meta and i would still say he doesnt need a buff

[forest stone]

full aoe acid rain plus summons that are insane

[verbal pendant]

i found this suggestion useful for me to say that they made ainz/horsegirls/mob upd kinda stupid unless they make really long modes so thank you

[tender musk]

the fact that he is a free slot will forever make him the best unit unless they make a unit give 2 free slots

[forest stone]

ainz and mob are good in short gamemodes what are you talking abt

[tender musk]

wdym stupid EVERYONE who does tournaments uses those units

[forest stone]

monarch umas as we speak 250 from pity

[tender musk]

we just saying stuff atp im going to sleep

[verbal pendant]

just go

[daring orbit]

Fr Uma is useable in everything

Just cant get to max potentional in most

[forest stone]

fr

also whens wiki tl getting updated

[thick hatch]

Uma is really good in rifts

[daring orbit]

?

[pearl oxide]

bro literally if you get SUPER unlucky and miss like four chances then you'll still get it by wave 40

[daring orbit]

It alr is?

And has been?

[forest stone]

son

and according to that guy its still the old one i havent checked tho

[pearl oxide]

its updated bro

[daring orbit]

Its very much updated...

[forest stone]

so i was lied to

[daring orbit]

Legit got another upd earlier today

[verbal pendant]

im saying that u dont use her in most content of the game and i find it sad, plus i said it before that u can get it before wave 40 i dont get why you repeat what i say

[daring orbit]

Technically has been updated for so ling

[thick hatch]

you don't have to use her

[daring orbit]

Just cuz u dont use her dont make her useable

[pearl oxide]

bro if they became a general unit you use they'd be powercrept in a couple updates

[thick hatch]

but she's not bad for everything like you said she is

[daring orbit]

She and ainz always on my team

Lol

[forest stone]

unuseable*

[thick hatch]

she's rlly solid for everything

[daring orbit]

Yer

[thick hatch]

fr

[verbal pendant]

i dont know i just find it a wasted potential

[forest stone]

i need to monarch her first fund my 250 rrs

[pearl oxide]

she's literally used in almost everything comp

[forest stone]

and rift

[verbal pendant]

at least she'd get to be really strong for a couple of updates

[pearl oxide]

shes really strong right now bro

[forest stone]

she is really strong what are we talking abt

[thick hatch]

she's very op bro idk if you know how to use her

[verbal pendant]

if u get her maxxed yeah

[daring orbit]

Even in 15 wave shit

[forest stone]

without her maxed shes rlly strong 😭

[thick hatch]

you can get her 200 speed w 100 in both dmg and crit in 20 waves

[daring orbit]

She's goated

[forest stone]

with her maxed shes even stronger

[pearl oxide]

i already said this once bro, units made for specific gamemodes have more longevity than most units

[verbal pendant]

im just saying that i find it sad that you can't use her full potential in 3/4 of the game guys i'm not saying she's not strong though((

[daring orbit]

She's wou but useable

Lma9

[thick hatch]

but she doesn't need to be usable 😭😭

[forest stone]

hey wou is still good

[daring orbit]

Has his niches

[pearl oxide]

(even tho she is)

[forest stone]

he may be level one with no traits or stats but hes still good

[forest stone]

neph fund my monarch uma

[thick hatch]

why's this even a suggestion

[daring orbit]

No

[daring orbit]

Idk

[pearl oxide]

u guys should make a neccesity tl

[vivid notch]

they want ainz to be more op

[thick hatch]

why do we want to rework ainz

[vivid notch]

its not even a rework its just a buff

[thick hatch]

fairs

[daring orbit]

Not really needed ngl

Just get units in meta /submeta and u good

Lmao

[pearl oxide]

convenience maxxing

[forest stone]

caloric stone is too weak we need to make it inf uses make the units free give them monarch and maxed when placed with all max godly stats

[thick hatch]

bro ace is too high

[pearl oxide]

sasuke escanor valentine ainz sukuna sum the best units ingame just for convenience

[vivid notch]

escanor at #1

[forest stone]

ace plus choi son

[thick hatch]

fairs

[vivid notch]

well i guess he wouldnt be because hes unobtainable now

[thick hatch]

yh ace is still too high and that's not how the tl works 😭

[forest stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310663376912777276/1459574128351645760/AV_Creature.gif

[pearl oxide]

the tl doesnt show how important characters like valentine and sasuke are

[thick hatch]

why is Uma and escanor below ace

[forest stone]

is the suggestion method to rage bait

[thick hatch]

sasuke 😬😬

[forest stone]

how does this have the same amount of votes as mine

[vivid notch]

new units get glazed

[pearl oxide]

makes the 2 raids u need to farm 10x easier bro

[thick hatch]

yh ik i have him mknarched i js hate using him

[thick hatch]

fuhhhck ace bro

fuck choy too

[vivid notch]

does ace even have good dps

[pearl oxide]

def a tl that needs to be made tho

[thick hatch]

no cuz intense burn sucks ✌️

[pearl oxide]

yea he does 100kdps monarch

[vivid notch]

i forgot whats the difference between regular and intense burn

[thick hatch]

he's cheap and full aoe but that's nothing special when his range is worse then dios

[thick hatch]

intense burn sucks without choy

all you gotta know

[vivid notch]

100k dps in 2026

[forest stone]

gb rlly using videos instead of gifs now

[stone basalt]

aizn buff wow

[daring orbit]

They really arent needed

I dont use either

[pearl oxide]

they rlly are

[daring orbit]

They really arent

For fast clears sure

Like I have monarch sauske

But don't have the familiar

Cuz idgsf

[pearl oxide]

sasuke makes the top 2 most annoying things to grind trivial val is great for rift mvp farming

[daring orbit]

Hes good but not super important

Like u can easily live without him

[pearl oxide]

what other units make things that you should be grinding easier

any unit can be used to clear anything

[daring orbit]

Easier does not equal important

Lmao

[pearl oxide]

when they lower your run time by 2x and make your run easier in general yes theyre pretty important

[daring orbit]

Clearly u have a diff definition of important

So im not gonna bother with this convo no more

[stone basalt]

stop arguing pls

[daring orbit]

Make a actual suggestion in #1346623858752356452 and expand on it

[daring orbit]

😭

As i just said im dropping the convo

[stone basalt]

good

if yall ame me step in.

[daring orbit]

Bro cant spell

[stone basalt]

ykw. nah.

[pearl oxide]

something that u will constantly need and wil never be powercrept being made 2x easier to do isnt important apparently

[toxic spade]

u said u understand if people disagree and the first person who disagreed you’re telling them you don’t understand why

[clear tusk]

hmm, idk but i think you should read passive description