Added a trading value maker role

[hallow wing]

Ts game doesnt have a trading value list yet yall should add a new trading value maker list and a new trading value channel or ts game trading value might end up like gpo

Everyone using a different value list which lead to some scams i think making an officical trading value list made by people chosen by the mods/dev is safer

[inland tree]

Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[hallow wing]

Afro out here saving av once again

Hezi

[sand comet]

theyve said no to doing a trading value list several times

afro this is yet another dogshit suggestion under your belt 😭

youre collecting them like infinity stones

[hallow wing]

Thats the point of a sugggestion sily

[sand comet]

and theyve said no

[hallow wing]

Ain never made a dookie suggestion all peak u must be mistaking me w mso

[sand comet]

ur not the first person to ask this twin ✌️

[hallow wing]

And i say yes

[hallow wing]

And ian the last thats the point of a duggestion

[sand comet]

you deserve 1000 carolines for miso beef slander

[hallow wing]

Miso bum my disciple he choosed the dark side he deserve them carolina

[sand comet]

im not even finna ask what this is

[hallow wing]

Its the goat the imperial king trunp wearing a balenciaga pajama designer

He my son too

[sand comet]

"its the goat" ok ur blocked

[hallow wing]

De goat trump the hubba bubba

[clever imp]

afro lowkey just making suggestion to make people mad

[hallow wing]

Downvoting my suggestion for no reason btw

And all caps when u say my name son

Whats your reason

[clever imp]

i dont want to argue tbh cuz theres no point of arguing with you cuz u wont recflect so idc tbh

[hallow wing]

Bro just say u dont have a reason already dude

And i say bump

[hallow wing]

Miso bum
Not giving me no damn caroline

[hallow wing]

@raw mural take dat down bou

[raw mural]

Huh

Are we deaduzz asking why people are this 💔

[crisp basin]

there will never be an official value list

[hallow wing]

No shi disciple

[hallow wing]

Thats why we gotta make it we dont have to make it official but make it the most used to influence people to yse it

We gotta pick up the napkin first

[crisp basin]

Having a role like that automatically makes it offical

[hallow wing]

Nope my suggestion is to have a role that ask the people which tier ts unit should be

By making pollls asking the players if thenvalue of ts unit is high or not

Its about the opinion of the client thats whats matter

But if the client use different sources it leads to chaos

Scams,frame,bm all dat can happen cuz of people using diff value list

If we had a popular one that influences many people we could lower the rates of scams

Take gpo for example they took too long to make an official value list guess what happened

A man name watashino ruby created his own value list before the game and manipulated the trade system

You could trade a common item for legendaries fruut

Thats trading a mythical unit for a shiny vanguard

We got a wiki lets use it to make a value list instead of just letitng people use unofficial list leading to consitant scam and offers not making sense nbdy knows the value of ragna cuz nbdy uses the same value list

If we dont pick the napkin first someone else will therefore own it

[exotic thorn]

by putting it on the wiki its making it official and there isnt going to be a official value list

[exotic thorn]

wont the ppl who have the unit just be bias towards it and vote for it to be high value????

[hallow wing]

See thats the thinf

If its valuable less people gon have it

And reminder only limited are tradeable meaning 40% of the units in game

And im pretty sute the devs have a unit countrr to count how many people have a unit

Which mean the devs can hand that info to the trade value maker mods

And if its a poll its not gonna be 100% in one answer

[hallow wing]

By putting it in the wiki its making it mote popular not official

[exotic thorn]

correct me if im wrong but is this not alot of work

[hallow wing]

Peoppe check the av wiki to seek info they will fall in the trading value list which will sit at the front page

[exotic thorn]

it makes it official since the wiki is official 😭

[hallow wing]

Is it supposed to be? All u gotta fo is put a value on the unit

[hallow wing]

It does make it official ur right but it also makes it popular

Yk how when u hear av unit tier list the first thing thats cmes up is the one in the wiki

[exotic thorn]

there isnt going to be a OFFICIAL value list

[hallow wing]

Why is that

[exotic thorn]

devs stated didnt want the ppl behind vl to inflate the market etc etc

[hallow wing]

True but reminder the devs will pick a small amount of people qualified a small amount of people that have been on the game anf trusted by the players and if u wanna make it trusted by the community u can also make the community vote for if they want them to be one of the trade value maker

The same way the devs pick wiki and tier list maker is the dame way they’ll pick the mods that makes the tier list

Also a way to prove that a unit is rare is by putting how many player have that unit so that can be added to the value

[exotic thorn]

i think the devs just picked salti and he picks his staff

[hallow wing]

No they did some test for application

[humble dome]

bro didnt cook

[hallow wing]

There was a mod wave and u had to do a whole application on a google doc that how they pick the mods and wiki staff

[humble dome]

that was fully salt still

[exotic thorn]

this is just wrong 😭

[hallow wing]

Ye but still a test

[exotic thorn]

mods are hand picked there has never been a mod app

[hallow wing]

Also u a wiki staff can u tell us how they hire?

[humble dome]

^

[humble dome]

applications/handpicked

[hallow wing]

Ye i agreeed with him

[humble dome]

i was handpicked

[hallow wing]

So my statement is halfway true right?

[humble dome]

testers and mods are the same thing

[humble dome]

applications are very very rare

[hallow wing]

But thats still a way to hire a trusted mod no?

[humble dome]

from what i know of wiki staff is the only team to have had them

it is, but not how av does it

[hallow wing]

They do ask u bout ur experience bout it yes?

[hallow wing]

Thats what ts suggestion is for av needs to in-force the mod application

[exotic thorn]

testers were originally handpicked but now you can get in by being a bh and mods,banner helpers and question helpers are handpicked

[hallow wing]

And some are from applications

[humble dome]

the whole bug hunter thing is so dumb ngl

[hallow wing]

But that isnt what my suggestion is about we are driving away from the subject

[exotic thorn]

only applications av has had is for wiki staff and vc helpers

[hallow wing]

It is we already have a bug report channel

[humble dome]

not why i think its dumb but ight

[hallow wing]

Yes ik but ts isnt what my suggestion is about

[hallow wing]

Welp thats my reason cuz if we already have a active bug report server that any av player can use we dont need bug hunter

[humble dome]

cuz this suggestion = ass

[exotic thorn]

even if the devs pick the ppl who handle the vl whos to say the ppl they pick wont rig the values

[hallow wing]

How so

[exotic thorn]

it happend in aa and astd im pretty sure

[humble dome]

its called people have opinions, it'll cause more harm than good

any other reason ive seen people say to have a offical tierlist would still happen either way

[hallow wing]

But if “thats my opinion” is ur answer then u dont have one if u dont go deeper on why

[humble dome]

such as people trying to scam with their own list

same thing happen in aa

[humble dome]

my whole point

is people have opinions

on how a skin loooks

etc

hence changing their precieved vlaue

for said player

[hallow wing]

Well thats what im preventing

[humble dome]

hence why a tielrist is in genneral dumb

[hallow wing]

Opinion leads to war

[hallow wing]

If many people have different opinions on a unit value list then nbdy can find a good trsde it be either overpay or straight acam

[hallow wing]

But almost nbdy has a problem with tier list beside for the people who cant read passives

[humble dome]

lmao i fucking wish this was true 😭

alot of people complain about the tierlist

[hallow wing]

True cuz they mostly care about dps

Take ainz for example people complaining he isnt in god tier but he require a whole team build up similar to ywach

[humble dome]

• said tierlist is alot more subjective over all in its function

[exotic thorn]

only complaint abt the tl is that shiro was so fucking high up for no reason but thats fixed now

^

[hallow wing]

So it isnt a complaint no more?

[humble dome]

value list is way harder to be subjective since people care about units for collection, how they look, cosmetics

etc

[hallow wing]

Cuz the community can also influence stuff

[exotic thorn]

shiro got lowered plus i dont care abt the tl i jus look at the units myself

[humble dome]

^

[hallow wing]

Exactly now hear me out people want rare stuff to collect now how to get those rate stuff that arent obtainable anymore? Through trading and to to trade u need an offer a 1:1 offer of the same price

If people dont have a SET offer that satisfy both party then it isnt a trade its a scam

[humble dome]

1:1 and trading in the same sentence :so:

[hallow wing]

Yes the trading value list isnt gon satisfy everyone but the mods will use facts and value for that tier list

[humble dome]

😭

[exotic thorn]

yo 😭

[hallow wing]

Exactly thats the goal of a trade to give an offer of the same price as the product

[humble dome]

.......

[hallow wing]

But u can convince one to over pay or underpay thats just a side thing not the main thing

[humble dome]

bro cant be fr

either way im done arguring about this

devs seem to be very set on this

soo

adios

[hallow wing]

But how are u gonna dodge ts statement

[exotic thorn]

sunny on da hypixel

[hallow wing]

Everyone that gets proven wrong doesnt admit it they just dodge it thats not standing up for ur statement thats running

If your gonna engage a conversation at leadt stand for it dont just waste people time

[exotic thorn]

everytime you get proven wrong u jus say some bs

[hallow wing]

But it isnt bs if u think of consequences

[humble dome]

^

[hallow wing]

Im thinking of the problrm a value list can cause and im fixing it rn

But u guys are fixated on that same problem thinking it cant be fixed

[humble dome]

it very much wont lmao

[hallow wing]

But to fix something u must believe its fixable

If u try u can grt close to the goal u dont have to reach

[humble dome]

when it comes to peoples opinions its never 100% fixeable

[exotic thorn]

you started of by saying you wanted a official vl then when u were talking to kamui u said a unofficial vl would be fine now you are again saying u can a official vl

[humble dome]

ever

[hallow wing]

Take psyseph they tryna fix the bugs even tho they cant fix them

Yet they still try cuz there goal is to reduce the amount of bug

[warped juniper]

when is afro getting suggestion blacklist

[humble dome]

actually

[hallow wing]

Thats what trying means and im not gonna stop trying until it happens

[warped juniper]

bottom 3 suggestions were all his

[hallow wing]

See u changed my mind on the second picture and i admited it

U proved me wrong and i admited and thats something yall didnt do

[exotic thorn]

thats not even me bro thats kamui 😭

[hallow wing]

Ik

[humble dome]

so

[hallow wing]

M using it as a metaphore

[humble dome]

u agreed the same problem can be fixed

with a unoffical

[exotic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[humble dome]

so why are we still here

😭

[hallow wing]

No it cannot if there isnt an official tier list there isnt a reference to use

[humble dome]

?????????

[hallow wing]

U cant draw eyes if u never seen one if many people guess the value of a unit there isnt a valur just scam

[humble dome]

are we reading the same thing

[hallow wing]

Im talking about how we need a popular trading value list and to make something popular u gotta make it official

[humble dome]

also there is references to use

aka other peoples trades

😭😭

[hallow wing]

“Lemme ask someone that uses a ranom
Value list that almost no one uses”

[exotic thorn]

vanguard values is popular

[hallow wing]

We talking about units in general

Whats shiny ragna value and what can u trade it for

[exotic thorn]

what.

[hallow wing]

Im asking u whats shiny ragna’s value

[humble dome]

this guy has to be on something

[hallow wing]

Just answer whats the value of ragna shiny

[humble dome]

i dont know

cuz i dont trade

[exotic thorn]

i dont touch trading bro 😭

[humble dome]

cuz i think trading is dumb

😭

exactly

[exotic thorn]

i traded my shiny giselle and then never traded again

[hallow wing]

So ts suggestion doesnt concern u ?

If u dont know nun about tradinf why engange a convo about it?

[humble dome]

since a offical one would infact be put on wiki

and uhh

look at my role???

this infact

DOES

concern me

[hallow wing]

Yes it will

[hallow wing]

But ur role is wiki staff

[humble dome]

jsut because i dont trade in av doesnt mean i dont know how trading it self works

[exotic thorn]

because its stupid and devs have constantly said no to it

[hallow wing]

But if u dont trade then why engage a topic about it?

[humble dome]

not knowing values does not equal not knowing supply and demand and basic economy etc

[hallow wing]

Thats the point of a suggestion to change the devs mind

[humble dome]

this is about a value list

not trading it self

[hallow wing]

The devs add shiny transfer becuz people wanted it

[hallow wing]

Value is the main part of trading without it its chaos

[exotic thorn]

auric( A DEV) was one of the vl managers on aa and HE said that it was a bad idea

[hallow wing]

Without value a 100 $ bill would be worth nothing

Value is a must in transactions without value there isnt transaction

[humble dome]

bro thinks hes a philosopher 😭

[hallow wing]

That dont matter people wanted it and changed the devs mind still

[hallow wing]

See thats what happens when we all use different value list

[humble dome]

thats in mind to AA

[hallow wing]

Ima use an example that doesnt concern av but it will happen to av

[humble dome]

where it had a offical one

[exotic thorn]

no that was aa LOL

[hallow wing]

Alr iil was wrong now listen to my example

[humble dome]

and auric is infact right

[hallow wing]

In gpo before they added a trsding value that everybody used a guy named watashino ruby took afvantage of that and created his own trading value

And cuz of that many people used it but since he was the only one working on it he used it to his advantage

[humble dome]

aa had the same thing happen, whysync a CC created his own and did the same thing you're going to mention

[hallow wing]

He manipulated trading he made things he had worth allat and became rich cuz of that

And yk why that happened? Cuz he did it first

[exotic thorn]

why are we using gpo as a example when it isnt even in the same genre

[hallow wing]

If u do something first u own it the first person to find a star names it the first person to create something names it

If u get it first u own it first and thats how society works

If we make a trading value first it will be the one everyone uses

[humble dome]

^ this was WITH A OFFICAL value list btw

so point completly invalidated

[hallow wing]

Cuz popularity starts with time it builds up

[hallow wing]

So he also created and manipulated the value list?

[humble dome]

he created his own and did yes

[hallow wing]

If an av player were to make a value list he could use it and make his units worth allat

[exotic thorn]

also isnt kamui on vv(vanguard values)?

[humble dome]

yes

[hallow wing]

Becuz new players will use his value list and create his own value

[humble dome]

its run by alot of ranked people here

mods tester etc

[hallow wing]

If u wanna prevent u gotta create one ASAP

[humble dome]

so we just ignoring

that it happened

[hallow wing]

Av needs a value list to prevent scams

[humble dome]

even with a offcial one?

[humble dome]

kinda not their job

and it can and will happen either way

[exotic thorn]

did you not just hear what we just said happend w the aa OFFICIAL vl

[hallow wing]

What happen exactly?

[humble dome]

is bro

just l ike

zoned out

or am i missing some kind of 2nd convo

here

😭

[hallow wing]

It is there job cuz scam can lead to reputation gpo had a bad trading system and it got called out for it the game died cuz of it

[hallow wing]

I did mb cuz i did tell yall to listen to my example b4 yall talk

[exotic thorn]

seems alive to me

[hallow wing]

Nope i cant read while typing

[hallow wing]

Yes gpo revived but it had 1-2k player last couple months f months till the rumbling update

[hallow wing]

Also cuz watashino ruby got wxposed

[exotic thorn]

gpo is just horrible i dont think its because of the values

[hallow wing]

It was becuz of the value go look up watashino ruby dont even type gpo just type watashino ruby and ull understand

[hallow wing]

But i zoned out and came back and i admited it

Now back to the topic value list is important the av devs new that eith trading will come bugs,scam, and drama

I seen people trade 3 kaguya’s for a escanor

[exotic thorn]

even with a vl ppl can be stupid 😭

[hallow wing]

Without a vl they even dumber

The goal of a vl is to prevent u cant make something u want happen but u can try to make it happen

If u want something get it by trying not by skipping steps

If we have a popular value list we can prevent dumb actions and thats the goal

[exotic thorn]

vanguard values is popular and is run by alot of big names

[hallow wing]

Can i have the link and are the people who make it trusted by the devs or mods?

Cuz if not it might be another watashi no ruby incident

[humble dome]

leni

a lead tester

testers and mods are the main people running it

[exotic thorn]

kamui leni and some other ppl

[hallow wing]

Wait so ts suggestion already fixed no?

Trusted ppl making a value list yes?

[humble dome]

its not offical

not endorsed by devs at all

[hallow wing]

Ye but i mentioned making it official to amplify its popularity

[exotic thorn]

its not official and will not be adverstised or endorsed by this server or the devs

[hallow wing]

Then it must be official to amplify its popularity

[hallow wing]

So they already doing the first step

Which mean my suggestion isnt stupid if it trusted people are making it happen

[humble dome]

a offical one is stupid

[hallow wing]

A official one is popular

[humble dome]

any one making their own value list isnt

[humble dome]

its infact not offical

like brother

how many timrs

we gotta say this

;sob:

[exotic thorn]

its not official and will never be official bro

[hallow wing]

Then we gon make it official

[humble dome]

devs gonna say nuh uh

so is wiki

[hallow wing]

But thats the thing son

Thats the thing if the devs say nuh uh we say yuh uh and force our ideas

[exotic thorn]

SON YOU HAVE 16 CAROLINES AND THE ONLY PERSON WHO STARRED THIS IS YOU

[humble dome]

17*

[humble dome]

they 100% dont care enough to do it

you have zero leverage over them 😭

it does not affect their game at all

[hallow wing]

17 people seen my suggestion thats building up popularity

[exotic thorn]

this is rage bait

[humble dome]

no...

this is how people think

[exotic thorn]

it actually has to be

[hallow wing]

Do yk why i have a trump prp? Cuz people hate him if many peple hate someone they’ll a knowledge him

[humble dome]

MAX

I TOLD U

[hallow wing]

Im making my self hated to bring more attention to my suggestion

[humble dome]

THE PFP DID EXPLAIN IT ALL

HHAAHAHAHA

[exotic thorn]

what are WE SAYING

[exotic thorn]

all pr is good pr ahh bro

[hallow wing]

Im syaing i created my reputation to make my suggestions viewed

Rn im guaranted that 10 people will see my suggesiton right away when i post them

And thats marketing im making myself hated for a reason

Im the one they’ll hate first when they see a group of people

[exotic thorn]

nobody hates you ppl just think you have horrible suggestions 😭

[hallow wing]

The more hare i bring up the more attention

[hallow wing]

Thats still close enough dude thats my reputation the one with bad suggestions

[exotic thorn]

LOL

[brazen sun]

no it just makes people unlikely to give your ideas the time of day

[exotic thorn]

thats not a good reputation bro

[brazen sun]

since they'll see your posts and assume

[hallow wing]

Still attention

[brazen sun]

oh its another troll suggestion

[brazen sun]

being ignored

is legit

[hallow wing]

Then i’ll argue back

[brazen sun]

THE OPPOSITE of attention

[hallow wing]

But they ignoring me on purpose

If i was vring ignored they wouldnt give me a caroline

[brazen sun]

but they're also not opening your suggestion or speaking to you

[exotic thorn]

i think they give u a caroline and just move on

[hallow wing]

Nah they do trust they do it all the time especially gybit

[hallow wing]

Then people will see it and wonder why u put it

U gotta think first i made ts reputation for a reason

[exotic thorn]

and then they see ts stupid ass suggestion

[hallow wing]

But if its stupid then why did u argue w me?

If its stupid why not just tive me a downgote and go on w ur day?

[exotic thorn]

to make YOU understand that ts is stupid

[hallow wing]

And how did ts argument started?

[exotic thorn]

me saying ts wouldnt happen

[hallow wing]

I planned it i knew it would happen

[hallow wing]

Thats what we call marketing son

Now see ima leave my phone out and ima cme back tmrw and trust me there will be a conversation starting without m

[exotic thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385714862856081579/1418252507146227832/attachment.gif

[warped juniper]

can we get a dev to close ts

[exotic thorn]

seilo will prolly see it later

[hallow wing]

Convo without me already?

[exotic thorn]

THREE MESSAGES

[hallow wing]

It was gonna be more u was typing

U still r

[exotic thorn]

i wasnt i alr clicked off the channel

[tranquil wave]

Look in my eyes

[exotic thorn]

alr im gonna stop following this suggestion and jus move on

[hallow wing]

Der we go

[tranquil wave]

Tell me a tale

Do you see the road, the map to my soul

[hallow wing]

Yoo wsp i thought u was blacklisted Ain see u inna min

[tranquil wave]

Tell me the signs do you see the smoke clear out my face

[tranquil wave]

I never been black-listed in my life 🥀

[tranquil wave]

U prolly under my kyoka suigetsu

[hallow wing]

Ima lead the way dw

[bleak nymph]

reading anything this guy makes has me feeling like this

[fathom imp]

No

[exotic thorn]

The goat said no this suggestion is done for

Tho it was already done for

[humble dome]

Finally it can be closed

[hallow wing]

Yes

Chop chop make it happen

Ratio

[brazen sun]

😭 ?

[hallow wing]

I ratio’d auric

More reactions dan him take notes

[brazen sun]

proud of you man

[oblique nova]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-cant-believed-sarcastic-face-gif-11971350

[hallow wing]

Auric acting like it was an option to say no to meh 🤣🤣🤣

[exotic thorn]

Peak rage bait

[exotic thorn]

First silo message in suggestions wow

[hallow wing]

Who

[prime vault]

lol

[exotic thorn]

Idk bro

[hallow wing]

Ur right if it ain me its a nobody

[sterile rock]

i agree with kamui

[exotic thorn]

26 carolines and denied by wiki staff,wiki organizer, trainee tester,tester,lead tester and a dev

[hallow wing]

Nbdy agrees w u

[hallow wing]

Thats what we call perseverance

[sterile rock]

best thing about that is only 1 of the higher roles needs to say no and its over

[hallow wing]

Dats how yk im marking my name on the av hall of fame

[sterile rock]

and bro got 3

[hallow wing]

Acting like i allowed him to say no

[exotic thorn]

Seilo please just close ts

[hallow wing]

3 bummers and afro

[sterile rock]

does it have to be seilo

[hallow wing]

Hn nbdy closing ts

[hallow wing]

No

[exotic thorn]

Harley or bucket could but I don't think they look at suggestions

[sterile rock]

kk one sec

ill get it sorted

[bleak nymph]

should just blacklist him tbh

[exotic thorn]

Oh yea and that

[hallow wing]

Dats neva happening to me AFRO all caps

[sterile rock]

have noted that as well ty

[bleak nymph]

np

[hallow wing]

U gon do me like they did mlk

U finna shut me down for speaking the the truth

Yall ain even gon lemme have my speech b4 yall headshot me

[bleak nymph]

comparing yourself to mlk is insane

[hallow wing]

Ye cuz he not my lvl

Im the peak of humanity

[quaint sand]

u are not a real human

[quaint sand]

engagement bait suggestions of doom

[exotic thorn]

I don't even know what I'm reading anymore

[bleak nymph]

same

[hallow wing]

If ts where it end yall fina rmb me

[warped juniper]

is this a death threat bro

[bleak nymph]

its feels as if i found some ancient tibetian text that is gibberish and nonsense

[warped juniper]

not cool

[hallow wing]

As the king of jji the king of av lebron’s goat the man closest to god mlk wanted to be afro

Wipe them tears off your face guys

[quaint sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208121918855577700/1358865347486285904/realRubenSim_-_1789868160482427201.gif

[fossil cosmos]

official trading value lists have already been declined before trading was even out

[warped juniper]

son

[hallow wing]

Dont make ts my last memories of u

[hallow wing]

U ain a reliable source dude

[fossil cosmos]

ok check this out