New element

[torn olive]

So we face a new issue with the creation of elemental tower, and that is the lack of necessary status effects on certain elements. I think a new element should be created, one that can be used on every activity that requires specific elements.
This new element wouldn't have units that are necessarily meta, wouldn't be no near as strong as the ones we already have but its purpose would be only to fit those gaps that exists right now.

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[gusty wadi]

Ehhh I think a bigger issue is locking support units behind elements

Why tf can’t I use smith for every element it’s the dumbest thing ever

Specifically ones that don’t do any dmg

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or just have elementless units 🥲

[gusty wadi]

Can’t wait to use brook for passion tower so fun

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Nah, I'd Personally Make A Few Changes

1. Devs Would Fix The Issue Of Supports In Certain Stages By Adding The Specific Units
2. I Thought Your New Element Was Really A New Element So I Was Thinking An Additional Element Would Be Actually Fun. Not One That Could Be Placed In Every Category

Basically I Don't Support Your Idea But A New Element Entirely Is Fun But Not One That Can Be Placed In Every Category. As For Missing Supports, They Should Be Added In The Following Updates

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True Supports Should Be Open To All (Those Who Don't Deal Damage Like Smith, Haruka, Orihime But Not Alucard Or Brook)

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Why Though

[gusty wadi]

????

Brook has no use outside this new gamemode and maybe some tournaments

Idc if he has a nuke

Why are 80% of supp units passion

Just let them all fit the same criteria as farms

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I Agree, That's An Issue

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But Then Dio Would Be Considered Universal Which Is Unfair

[gusty wadi]

Pure support

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Then Brook Isn't Counted

[gusty wadi]

He does 1 thing other then supp

Dio had constant dps and brook has a 1000 cd nuke

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Kaguya?

[gusty wadi]

Dps unit

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More Supportive Than DPS In The Current Meta Tbh

And Early Stage Nukes

[gusty wadi]

The support units in talking about

R the ones that don’t attack aside from maybe a ability

Unfortunately armin would be regulated to whatever element he is

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Okay Alr, But Still A Nuke Seems Unfair To Me

[fallen terrace]

They have one that already would function like that, being Unknown

[gusty wadi]

1000 seconds

For 300% dmg in a stage were enemies have 500 million hp

[fallen terrace]

But they very specifically want towers to not work like that

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Follows The Highest Damage Stat Iirc

[gusty wadi]

4 million x 4 is only 16

That’s like 3% of 500 mill

Only unit with a attack stat that high can’t even be used to their fullest

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I Understand Pure Supports Like I Said Earlier; Smith, Haruka, Orihime

But Then If They Allow This And Future Units With Insane Damage Stats Would Make Brook Crazy Strong

Brook Would Be Broken Tier For Every Tower

[gusty wadi]

He wouldn’t because again 1000 cd

Idk what stage 100 of towers is

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I Said For Each Specific Tower Not In 1 Game

[gusty wadi]

But I’m sure it’s in the hundreds of billions

Or tens

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Idts, The Scaling Decreases As We Go Higher (Some People At Higher Levels Stated)

[gusty wadi]

This is a balancing issue this has nothing to do with locking supports behind the passion border

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I'm Saying That Supports Should Be Allowed ✅

Supports With Nukes/Damage Moves Of Any Sort ❌

[gusty wadi]

I’m sorry this is a horrible take

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I Don't Want The Support To Hit At All Since This Gamemode Should Be Locked Behind Only The Units Of The Correct Element And Supports Do Count So They Shouldn't Be Able To Hit A Single Instance Of Damage

At Least This Is What I Believe

[gusty wadi]

Say a support unit comes out in the future with more utility but At the same time you wanna use the one with a nuke but lower utility it adds a layer of depth to team building and strategy

Supp A cleanses and has a higher dmg buff but supp B doesn’t cleanse and has a lower buff but a nuke

It makes people use their nogging

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However The Point Of The Gamemode Is To Strategize Using Specifically One Specified Element. The Issue Is The Gamemode's Point Is Being Removed If Another Unit From Another Element Is Dealing Damage Even If It Is A Little Bit

Supports Are Merely There For Strategy Surely But The Fact Is We Shouldnt Be Able To Hit Using Them

[gusty wadi]

Who says a supps only purpose should be just buffing

This sounds like a Marvel rivals take

Do you think strategists should only heal?

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You Are Indeed Right, Supports Include Nukes And Even Broly (Niche For Unbound) But The Issue Is Elemental Towers Is Meant For One Element To Be Dealing Damage Rather Than Using Any Other Type Of Elements To Deal Damage.

In Your Case For The Sake Of The Gamemode, As A Dev, I'd Rather Keep Things The Same Than Using Supports From Other Categories

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The Point Is Not That, I'm Saying Certain Supports Defy The One Rule Of Elemental Towers

[gusty wadi]

Why do you capatalize the the beginning letter of every word you say

Are u running this through prompt? Am I talking to chat gpt?

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I apologize, it's just a habit in case you want me to write in smaller letters

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Bro Chill, I'm Just A Normal Guy, It Ain't That Serious

[gusty wadi]

Ur a funny guy

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I Dont Get That A Lot, Thanks!

[torn olive]

it is just a cosmetic way to fix

the same problem

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Which Part

[torn olive]

not being able to use supports on elemental stuff

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I Mean The Devs Did Say That They'll Be Adding Units Catered To The Missing Holes Required For Elemental Towers

Maybe New A New Status Effect That A Water Unit Can Apply To Stop Regen For Example

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This Is Just One Example Of How I Think Devs Will Patch These Problems

[charred pivot]

Dude

Why add another fucking element 💀

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Personally It's Cool But For A Reason He Stated Seemed Unnecessary And Just Pointless

[torn olive]

what bad would it actually do?

[charred pivot]

We already have problems with most of the elements for the lack of units and effects they apply (talking in general), why add another element instead of giving units to these elements

And their elements have useless buffs aswell

Holy element is fucking done for after the anni units become unob

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Fr Though

[torn olive]

that is the exact point

a new universal element for support units that could be in all teams

doesn't matter how to do it, even elementless or whatever, just a new category to place older and newer supports

[torpid ivy]

A new element might be a bit overwhelming but I’d be open to removing unknown tower altogether and just allowing unknown units in all other elements. I believe that unknown was able to be placed within other element restricted content such as worldlines weather infinite tsukyomi so I don’t see why not

[fallen terrace]

Yeah, it's called rupture

[charred pivot]

Give kazuma rupture

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[torn olive]

that was what i thought it would be at first, unknown element fitting all elements

[torpid ivy]

this post might have received better feedback if that was the idea from the start, unfortunately right now it just comes off as “just another element” to add to the current ones, meaning that future units will be spread out farther than the current ones already are

[torn olive]

well the whole idea is about fixing the issue with status effects being locked behind elements

a new element is just what i thought it would be nice, but being elementless, being unknown or whatever, it does the same

[sleek rampart]

or maybe they could just distribute status across elements more

[torpid ivy]

I agree, the idea of status effects being behind elements was not a bad decision for its time previously (when element locked game modes didn’t exist) but now it’s having its effects with more of these game modes getting released, such as portals, towers, worldlines, etc.

I saw another suggestion where legendary units and below should be able to be equipped in tower regardless of element and didn’t think that was too bad either, especially when countering bleed which has become very common in a lot of the levels that you face

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I Mean Another New Status Effect That Is Renamed But Exclusive To Like Water (In This Example) Since Rupture/Bleed Seems Like Unbound Bound And Vegito Is Not Holy On Placement

I Just Thought Of It Since Each Element Is Getting Its Niche Debuff Like Scorched And Conduit

[rich mirage]

?

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In The Same Way It Could Be The Same For Some Status Effects

[rich mirage]

passion goated why else

[fallen terrace]

vegito is technically water on placement

because goku is the only unit that matters for element restrictions

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But He Can't Turn Into Vegito In Elemental Towers

So Roku's Rupture Doesn't Exist In Elemental Towers

[fallen terrace]

Yes he can

In the water tower

You can still do vegito

Because the only element the game cares about for swap units like that is the base one you have on your team

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Wait What Noway

Because In Worldlines My Smith John Got Deleted Cuz Shadow Isn't Unknown Element

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That was a while ago

They changed how it works

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Noway Did I Not See This