Problems with AV

[gaunt carbon]

they take so long to update so every single update ends up being an event

[shy kindle]

1/20k portal vanguard again 🔥

[blissful nova]

its almost like setting up a shit ton of limited units in anticipation of a future trading system leads to screwing players in certain aspects regardless

[old rain]

id say shinobus feats are more impressive then sanemis. sanemi is probably stronger in the end

[valid hedge]

passion and water crying

do something!

save av

[cursive surge]

nether defending av devs to so he can get the tester role again

[blissful nova]

huh

that's literally the opposite of what I was doing

[sharp marsh]

Why, dont we love rimuru and his 45k dps

[gaunt carbon]

i think that was a jab towards av devs

[boreal pewter]

Just water

[old rain]

reading comprehension level of a 3rd grader

[hexed mist]

we hate limited units lmaoo

Just a net negative for the game in my eyes 🤷‍♀️

[fierce storm]

loomie

[shy kindle]

carried by weather report

[old rain]

nooo, every update needs fomo in it

[blissful nova]

That was absolutely a jab lmfao

[fierce storm]

is ts tuff

[gaunt carbon]

no i can see why he would say that, im not native as well and i was contemplating whether that was glazing or not

[blissful nova]

I hate limited units as much as the next person

[gaunt carbon]

he's spanish from the roles

[cursive surge]

that was the point

[valid hedge]

wait I just realised you're nether which means u're lying

[valid hedge]

you like me!

[stuck nymph]

Hello niche community

[valid hedge]

[stuck nymph]

What the fuck did I do?

[blissful nova]

HE FIGURED ME OUT

[old rain]

higher ups need to lock in 😔

[stuck nymph]

W Blueberry as always

[blissful nova]

Valk's always said he hates them too lmao

[sharp marsh]

Atleast they got sasuke now

[blissful nova]

But it's ultimately not his call

[stuck nymph]

Sorry that u aint niche enough

[old rain]

yea thats who i mean

[shy kindle]

boiiii ts not tuff😡

[stuck nymph]

W SeraphicVexuh

[old rain]

holy cornball

[stuck nymph]

W Blueberry

[brittle flint]

Lool L erza

[stuck nymph]

67 🥺🥺🥺🥺🫰🫰🫰

[brittle flint]

erza from ohio ☠️

[old rain]

im too unc for this

[stuck nymph]

Arent u auntie

[brittle flint]

Ok womp womp blud ☠️

[stuck nymph]

This Blueberry guy is so peak 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺✌️✌️✌️✌️

[cursive surge]

fuck you

[old rain]

boy auntie

[cursive surge]

unc still doing 67 jokes

[stuck nymph]

Yea mb we on 89

[cursive surge]

exactly unc
updatw yourself

[stuck nymph]

I can update when u stop ur hatred for the goat the myth the legend Drainalyse

[brittle flint]

not funny 🫤

[cursive surge]

that was the point

is not mean to be funny you idiot

[brittle flint]

Shut yo ding dong eat it up ahh blud ☠️

[shy kindle]

fufex lowkey their group leader son😭

[stuck nymph]

@brittle flint we gotta evolve and make blueberry our third

[cursive surge]

if i was trying to be funny i would wear a @old rain costume

[brittle flint]

ying ya ng

[stuck nymph]

😭

[old rain]

what do you want from me

[brittle flint]

if i was trying to be a clown i would wear a @cursive surge costum EMOTIONAL DAMAGE 🫲

[cursive surge]

i already stop bro years ago

[stuck nymph]

😂😂😂🫱🫱🫱🫱

[cursive surge]

update yourself with the news

i no longer hate draina

[stuck nymph]

Years ago dont count as yesterday son

[cursive surge]

3 weeks ago dumbass

[stuck nymph]

Yesterday was diff son

[brittle flint]

im crine 😭 so lonley

[stuck nymph]

Alr seraphic we now creation trio

[cursive surge]

i want to apologize like i did with draina for my message against you and others

[stuck nymph]

And we need new names for our creation trio

[cursive surge]

mfs im trying to apologize
the fuck you mean

[stuck nymph]

Alr who trynna be dialga and palkia im giratina 😂😂✌️✌️✌️🫱🫱🫱🫱🫱

Mfs did yall watch Pokemon thats why i said creation trio

Alr Dialga is Blueberry cuz both blue

[brittle flint]

isnt that arceus the guy and other poekmon

[stuck nymph]

There is alot to explain

U palkia

Cant believe i fucking killed this chat man 😭😭😭🥀🥀🥀

[brittle flint]

so tuff

[stuck nymph]

@shy kindle continue that message writing.

[shy kindle]

boss pls...spare me

[stuck nymph]

Brother im the one u cutted out

[brittle flint]

oh shoot thought ur arceus

[stuck nymph]

Delete ts and cut out middle one

[stuck nymph]

Arceus is Pyseph

[brittle flint]

wait why we carolining lokies hes lowkey goated

[stuck nymph]

How lowk?

[shy kindle]

w seraph

[stuck nymph]

Dont copy me.

[old rain]

these three are so ass

[stuck nymph]

Only useful at start of pokemon black and white son😭😭😭🫱🫱🫱🫱

[cursive surge]

av fall vanguard leaked

[old rain]

fall vanguard is makima or denji, trust

[cursive surge]

makima should be for valentines

[stuck nymph]

We dont need mid(csm) in semi peak (av)

[cursive surge]

calling csm mid is crazy

[stuck nymph]

Bluberry u betrayed me….??

[cursive surge]

everyone would

[fallow pulsar]

sorry csm peak

[old rain]

eww bro she'd just be a dogshit mythic

[cursive surge]

a vanguard*

[fallow pulsar]

she doesnt really fit either

[cursive surge]

she does twin

unless you prefer aki and angel

[stuck nymph]

She deserves that fraud rarity

[cursive surge]

ngl, who would even fit the valentines theme

[fallow pulsar]

someone like madoka would be a better fit imo, she should be in a csm upd

[cursive surge]

madoka?

[fallow pulsar]

madoka and homura would fit perfectly i think

[cursive surge]

just because homura is obsessed with her doesn't mean she fit valentines

[stuck nymph]

For valentines theme would fit valentine

[fallow pulsar]

homura loves her which is what valentines is all about

[cursive surge]

homuru (stalker)

[wise depot]

Valentine VS Johnny Vanguard

[stuck nymph]

Or even better tripple T

[brittle flint]

genius

[old rain]

something awakened in me because of the shinobu shit talk

[vagrant cape]

akaza would still be some hot ass with a vfamiliar 😭

[brittle flint]

idiot

why are we missing the most important character

[old rain]

muzan?

[brittle flint]

gyomei

or even obani

[old rain]

oh i got a surprise for you

[brittle flint]

😨

[vital anchor]

I would like to see them add a gamemode where you actually have to do stuff and if u dont do it u lose

Like the cid raid

Just make it where you have to be present and not just afk farm

But make the drop chance for that item reasonable

Id like to PLAY and not just afk most of the time tbh

[old rain]

people only AFK because nobody has the energy to spend 20+ hours playing the same stage over and over and over

the only way to stop AFK is make grinds shorter

[golden flare]

it would encourage it more 💀

[vital anchor]

Thats why I said make the drop chance for the item reasonably then

So that doesnt happen

[sharp marsh]

Getting broly took like 4 hours, afks for the stage were still out basically day 1. People will afk everything if they have access to the afk.

[wise depot]

I feel like people would complain A LOT, especially since most grinds are long asf. Instead I would like for the gamemodes to have something to do that is completely optional but it greatly reduces the time it takes or it just gives you a huge buff.

Like let people AFK and those that are actively playing will have a better time getting stuff like buffs

Also making the stages have an auto loose mechanic in most cases just damages the people who are manually playing.

The others could get an image ahk that does everything for them. Whilst the manual players not only can they not AFK now they gotta put full attention to their game.

[vital anchor]

It just feels like every TD game rn is just afk simulator

So a interactive gamemode would be nice

[wise depot]

They’ve always been, it’s just that now it’s much more popular and since devs highly benefit from the high CCU at all times they will continue pushing it.

At the end of the day, these games are businesses that feed families.

[wise depot]

It would be cool but they shouldn’t force it and instead let the player do optional tasks for buffs around the map.

Im also tired of AFK grinds

https://tenor.com/view/uchiha-sasuke-sasuke-uchiha-sasuke-sad-sad-stan-twitter-gif-13178480509571400353

[vital anchor]

[old rain]

9 dislikes 😔 changed it

[sharp marsh]

There will never be a gamemode afking which wouldnt be more optimal than manual play

[old rain]

alr i dont get it anymore whats the issue 😭😭

[north eagle]

Worldline lb
Inf lb
Odyssey higher floors
Tournaments

What do these modes have in common?

[sharp marsh]

They're lb modes only meant to appeal to a very small fraction of the playerbase and have very little rewards put behind them. Also inf lb gameplay is afking for the most part 😭

[north eagle]

yea i would point the inf lb thing out

[sharp marsh]

I think we can both understand why listing leaderboard modes when the statement was about the main content of an update doesn't make sense

[north eagle]

but why we cant make "comp" modes without the lbs? I mean, just do hard modes

[sharp marsh]

Not to mention wl takes what, 400+ floors to become difficult? Tournaments are just a lag fest where you follow a guide all the way through

[north eagle]

the thing behind tournaments and wl its bc they got element bans/nerfs, constant map changes, different modifiers/bosses

[north eagle]

i still got more fun doing sloppy weekly tournaments than playing any raid or common pve content

[sharp marsh]

I don't have fun playing either

[north eagle]

new tournament change will make it better

[stuck nymph]

Hello niche community

[sharp marsh]

Who enjoys being frozen for 3 of the tournaments 20 minutes

[sharp marsh]

Wl is the least fun thing in the game, ask ballin how much fun he has with it

[stuck nymph]

Wl not even worth it unless unit is good

[stuck nymph]

50 stages 5-6 min each 50 times

[wise depot]

I haven’t even done the 50 floors for stark, last time I tried I passed out of boredom

[north eagle]

we are talking abt 400+ stages

[stuck nymph]

Who tf plays that shit

[north eagle]

not only 50

[stuck nymph]

They are so boring ngl

[wise depot]

Exactly, all the way up until 390+ they are the same boring stuff and once they get challenging they are fun for a while

[stuck nymph]

I wish they did same as AA

[wise depot]

Then they get tedious/boring

[wise depot]

Let me floor skip

[north eagle]

even tho, i gave examples of where manual gameplay is better than afk

[stuck nymph]

Yes thats what i mean 😭😭😭🥺🥺🥺

[north eagle]

they just need to buff rewards

[stuck nymph]

Atleast let me skip those easiest floors

[wise depot]

7 days worth of playtime for a shiny unit and 30 rerolls ❤️

[stuck nymph]

50* 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[wise depot]

❤️

[north eagle]

7 days? does he know

[stuck nymph]

Oh we talm about 400+ stages or normal 50?

[north eagle]

this is prob the most casual player i ever saw in av

[stuck nymph]

Is that good

[north eagle]

bro doesnt evo do the minimum 50 wl stage

[north eagle]

idk tbh, prob its good for your mental health

[stuck nymph]

Its boring especially those earliest stages

I could afk em but still 5 mins for easy stage

[north eagle]

yea av itself is just a sloppy grind today, im playing als while afking av

[wise depot]

ALS’ grind is arguably worse

[north eagle]

it is, but im PLAYING the game, not afking

so its better for me

[wise depot]

Either way, add floor skip to WL pls

I don’t want to fall asleep whilst doing them

Worst part is I’ve been suffering the consequences of not having starrk in some tournaments

But I couldn’t be bothered, fuck WLs

[stuck nymph]

Mid gamemode

[wise depot]

Shit is awful

50 boring stages

[stuck nymph]

Aa had 100 floors but lowk we had skip stage/ 2 floors at once so i didnt really mind it

Its basically same but idk 😭

[sharp marsh]

Aa stages also lasted like 10 minutes and the rewards were dogshit so it was obviously worse but yeah wl isnt fun

[ruby thorn]

The rewards are trash as well, spending countless hours for 30 rr 💔💔

[north eagle]

making the game funny

is a whole new problem, we need to so it manually playable first

or at least reward manual gameplay somehow

[sharp marsh]

What

Making the game more tedious makes it funny?

Aa instantly became the most afked game when it came back because ahks had become more established by then, and because the game made tinytasking hard as shit😭

[north eagle]

do u get any fun by afking av 24/7 tho

yea me neither

[sharp marsh]

Anything is better than sitting there for 10 minutes for 1 clear in aa

[north eagle]

not even gambling feels good

[north eagle]

ok? im not defending AA so wtv u say bro

[sharp marsh]

There will never be a mode that isn't afked, obviously a casual gamemode won't be as hard as floor 450 of wls

[north eagle]

tbh afk stages are a problem for TD is general, i could AFK BTD6 and PVZ1

[sharp marsh]

The only solution is having content that u only gotta do like once a day or 2 and is fun

The world bosses solution was peak

[north eagle]

to be fair

they could get AHK out of the way, but since this give them CCU and money they arent doing that

but money is a priority for the devs, i just want fun with the game aswell

[sharp marsh]

No they cant

[north eagle]

they can, its just useless effort since they would be working to gain less money LOL

[sharp marsh]

Explain how they can remove ahk twin

[crisp vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262129074613260291/1436435801906090094/togif.gif

[north eagle]

remove the top cam feature or nerf it so it dont save when u stop spectating
make REAL RANDOM SPAWNS
make random camera angles

[sharp marsh]

🤔

[sharp marsh]

Mr non formal probably has a fix regardless but what do i know

[north eagle]

oh lol

we really cant have a convo without offenses at av community can we

also 🐟 was getting problems in camera detection bc a roblox update, so some was forced to change to bloxstrap

idk what was the change bc im not a programmer but they could make it to av i think

[wise depot]

Unless the gamemodes are limited to a certain amount of clears per day, this doesn’t only affect ahk’s it also affects manual players and it hurts them even more

Also it won’t stop AHK

[naive sedge]

why do you have a problem against ahk users?

[north eagle]

i dont

[naive sedge]

and those wouldn't resolve anything

[north eagle]

im afking 24/7 anni event for a reason

[naive sedge]

if they ever do ur suggestion about taking action against ahk users

they can just use python which is a heavy counter to it

[north eagle]

i just dont like that the game is too reliant on that

instead of doing actual manually grindable and enjoyable content

every update is the same 🥭 slop

[naive sedge]

tds / tdx awtd all have ahk and its a problem for av to have one

[north eagle]

not a problem, but when the game sells itself as the highest quality atd

they need to act like the one

[golden flare]

i mean they are

its just not really a high standard lmao

[worldly ivy]

so its been almost a month and we dont know nun about a new update

we might be cooked

[hexed mist]

for a .5 update as well btw, not even a .0 we are BEYOND cooked

[golden flare]

seasonals are basically .0s tbh

[hexed mist]

cant wait for bannerslop

[worldly ivy]

yea exactly like we dont even got a sneak or maybe an idea of what is coming

[compact shore]

This might also be the problem with av (it aint just valk)

The devs

I hope more youtubers say something to these devs

[wise depot]

Most CC’s have no clue on what they talk about, what difference would an opinion from someone ignorant make? Plus I don’t see what’s wrong with Valk’s messages

[hexed mist]

i hope the vanguard is at least interesting

[compact shore]

Thats a mission even imposseble for tom cruise sadly

[hexed mist]

true, i dont even know who at this point

[wise depot]

They’ve always done interesting vanguards, escanor is the only one that seems kind of bland but you kind of need to understand he was made to bring people back so that’s probably why

Plus the next one is getting a VA

[hexed mist]

i just hope its something i actually know and like LOL

[wise depot]

Yeah, it would be nice

[compact shore]

Gogeta was also kinda really boring

[hexed mist]

this one is voice acted? the one coming up here soon?

[wise depot]

Yeah

[wise depot]

He had some cool concepts but overall was still bland, yeah

[fierce storm]

yoru vanguard w/ a va

[hexed mist]

thats lowkey kinda insane, the last vanguard i've genuinely really liked was VSJW

[fierce storm]

ngl I only liked how they did vsjw, kind of kaguya but she doesn’t require any thought at all

[hexed mist]

the others were nice, i just didnt have that kinda feeling i had before with VSJW i guess?

[fierce storm]

escanor was super lame he’s just to promote afking

[wise depot]

I’ve loved all, but escanor is my favorite for the fact it’s escanor 😭

[fierce storm]

broly

is a db character

[hexed mist]

i like escanor juts not a huge fan of seven deadly sins, he doesnt save the series unfortunately

[wise depot]

He is goated tho

[wise depot]

Yeah no, 7Ds sucks. He is cool asf tho

[hexed mist]

any vanguard that ive actually engaged in the anime id be happy

cause again last time that happened was solo leveling LOL

[compact shore]

Didnt they say that they didnt want the game to be afk'ble?

[fierce storm]

twin

act 9

[wise depot]

One day I’ll get that Reinhard vs Al Debaran vanguard

[compact shore]

I tottely forgot that stage

But fr. I think they kinda need to add something thats easily afk'ble

[fierce storm]

one day we’ll get that Beatrice vanguard

[compact shore]

Skibidi cap

[wise depot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-survive-reinhard-gif-6326368715516715206

[compact shore]

( i havnt read rezero and im at season 2)

[fierce storm]

it’s not rezero

[compact shore]

No spoilers

[naive sedge]

you blaming the devs?

[compact shore]

wait is it not?

[fierce storm]

she’s from umineko 🥀

[naive sedge]

are they supposed toh ire people that has gameplay experience? idk what you getting there

[wise depot]

By the time it’s animated, you will forget about it. 😭

[compact shore]

Damn im cooked

[wise depot]

Probably 2027 or 2028

Next arc is literal peak tho

[compact shore]

Because the game is in this state its in rn is because of the devs

[wise depot]

Hope they don’t fuck up

[compact shore]

We didnt delay the qna twice

We only voted too delay it by a week

Not 2

[hexed mist]

i aint a one piece fan but i hope they do it eventually for the people i see constantly asking for it 💀

[compact shore]

gear 5 gonna go hard then frfr

[naive sedge]

so what do u want them to do?

they have bigger problems to deal with than just a stupid qna

[compact shore]

Not delay it maybe? Like how do you even delay an online qna twice?

[hexed mist]

wouldn't mind a Fullmetal Alchemist update either, its actually kinda a shame they wasted Frieren as a worldlines unit cause she had alot of potential

[compact shore]

Ye trying not to say stupid stuff and blaming the community

[compact shore]

That would be peak

[compact shore]

Ye frieren needs a vanguard familier frfr

Or an evo (Im coping)

[hexed mist]

her being a worldlines unit just prevents all of this its so lame 😭

[compact shore]

Fr😭 🥀

[worldly ivy]

av downfall need to be studied

[naive sedge]

40k ccu is really good

and they have no competitors 🤡

[hexed mist]

considering the game hasnt updated in almost a month either

[naive sedge]

unlikely als fucked up with their simon update

[hexed mist]

did ALS tank that fast AGAIN ALREADY??

[naive sedge]

ccu is at 25k

[fierce storm]

the update was

a show

[naive sedge]

they rushed the update and simon godly is not good at all

[hexed mist]

shit was at 120k before anni 😭

[worldly ivy]

bc of trading

[fierce storm]

Simon lowk worse than lelouch

[old rain]

their update is terrible

[old rain]

SIMONS NOT EVEN GOOD???

[naive sedge]

Okay and?

Ur saying this like 40k ccu is bad

[true cradle]

Doesnt he do 1.5 trillion damage every 3 seconds (ofc massive cost but still)

[naive sedge]

no?

[worldly ivy]

not saying its bad im saying the 40k its bc of trading

[true cradle]

My rimuru from 2 updates ago does like less then 100 billion😭

[worldly ivy]

if it wasnt the trading it will be at als state

[fierce storm]

if you want a rundown how the update was on release:

The boss had 999t hp when the economy gain was horrible, the lag was so awful that the boss attacks and vfx would make you go to 2 fps for the entire match, lelouch & rimuru had their summons (that you can’t turn off) duplicate and crash your game, all the units are super contrived to get and are horrible

Simon is horrible, he costs 10+m to max and while he does a ton his passives are super boring and is basically an infinite only unit that is easily replaceable by rimuru

ALL of the other units besides maybe anti spiral are far worse than units we were getting 3 updates ago (which is a lot for als)

Anti isn’t even that good in the first place, he’s just a rimuru support

[hexed mist]

thats kinda insane, having a worst unit from 3 updates ago for ALS is kinda insane

like being in that power level in general

[old rain]

fire the balancers

[wise depot]

Not only was the update mediocre, you would play at 1 fps on a 5090

[hexed mist]

aint no mf WAYYY you fuck it up THAT bad

[fierce storm]

me fer mok and a couple of others were fighting for our lives in the stage

[wise depot]

It was unplayable plus the stage takes 15+ minutes and you can’t AFK since the boss attacks your character

[fierce storm]

we got the 10/10 though so that was peak

only took 3 hours

[hexed mist]

my pc may be a lil old but at least it can run shit at 60 to 90 frames depending on the game

cant even run ALS 🥀

[wise depot]

I haven’t cleared it up once 😭

My Simon will rot (Reinhard better)

[worldly ivy]

same here

[hexed mist]

like arc raiders i can run really damn well

[wise depot]

I was afraid for my pc

[hexed mist]

and thats with an RTX 2060 LOL

[compact shore]

https://tenor.com/view/garou-saitama-one-punch-man-opm-opm-3-season-gif-13594654823846314429

[north eagle]

add guild and my life is yours

[compact shore]

One sliding man

[compact shore]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-skibidi-toilet-sigma-sigma-boy-ohio-gif-14260759298903971988

[compact shore]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-lampacenter-pokeregg-gif-10076526944424091115

[compact shore]

Yea we never getting that extra communication that we all wanted

Like how do you incounter problems in a ONLINE QNA

[inland zealot]

and guilds

[ruby thorn]

I'd rather have them working on the update to get it out faster than using their time on a qna

A QNA would be nice but if it delays the update then I don't think it's worth it

The update is already taking ages to come out there's no content rn

[compact shore]

A online qna doesnt delay nothing

[ruby thorn]

So the devs stopping their work to hop on a 1hr+ stage doesn't delay anything? Not to mention they have nothing to show us rn 😭

[compact shore]

First up. One hour doesnt delay nothing, and its one dev.

And we want more communication

[north eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374035367715405897/1428641638208639046/togif.gif

[tawny coyote]

"x anime upd" "when is y getting added"

[north eagle]

if valk doesnt came to us to say something we would probably stay with 0 messages abt the update

[ruby thorn]

They already have communicated with us??? Go look through all the previous messages that devs have sent since the last update

[golden flare]

almost like him and pyseph are the ones that talk to people

[north eagle]

i mean

they arent, and shouldnt be

[golden flare]

they are 😭😭

valk especially is the one person that actually talks to people in suggestions and pyseph is basically just the public figure