buff my guy gogeta

[neat girder]

tbh he is more of a secret than a vanguard anymore

[wary garnet]

Please ensure that your suggestion follows the Suggestion Rules in #1351363086409531392,

[noble pulsar]

No thoughts when they made that vanguard even diavolo outshines him 😭

[neat girder]

if they wont buff gogeta then just swap dio and gogeta title
its that easy

[lilac rain]

He will get buffed or atleast a vanguard familiar in this winter

No worries my little labubu!!111...

[winter terrace]

Bump

[neat girder]

Bump

[inland gale]

Bump

[upper wagon]

another lazy suggestion in the wrong channel

[quick basin]

No

[weary umbra]

@neat girder sadly they not gonna buff vanguard anymore , only way now is to vote for a vanguard familliar for him

a vanguard need vanguard familliar to be vanguard level , this is funny asf but even obito with vanguard level is way better than him now so this is reasonable

[steel yarrow]

gogeta isnt getting a vf, same with diavolo and all the other exclusive units

even if he did he'd be around the same tier as gilgamesh

[median venture]

???

[weary umbra]

comunity won on the last vote so there will be more exclusive units that gain vanguard familliar

[lean socket]

Nah

Valk said that they've ultimately decided against more exclusive unit VFs

[steel yarrow]

they dont care about that

[median venture]

They also said vanguards wont fall out of meta

[weary umbra]

can't trust what they said no more, since they also said there won't be shiny transfer too

and there it is

[modern zodiac]

maybe we'll get a stat buff in 2 years when he'll be completely useless

[weary umbra]

I don't understand why there shouldn't be more exclusive's VFs ; wouldn't it encourage the trading community and give people more things to grind for?

[weary umbra]

lowkey , vanguard should be atleast above mythic .... , which mean if this happen almost every unit now will gain vanguard familliar before that

[quick basin]

what

[weary umbra]

Technically, he hasn't completely left the meta; he can still be used if you have Monarch, it's just not suitable for the "vanguard" rarity

[lean socket]

It's called shifting design philosophy

[median venture]

Idk his dps is subpar

[lean socket]

It's just not a practical thing to promise in hindsight

[median venture]

I mean theres probably more to this than I know but can't they just go in the units kits and modernize the numbers

[lean socket]

That's exactly the problem though

Artificially inflating the value of units long after they're unobtainable

and forcing people to have to trade for the unit just for that piece of content

A lot of people don't care to get involved in trading at ALL

[median venture]

its cool for units to be rare

[lean socket]

It's already enough of a problem just how many limited units AV has

and how centralizing some of them are to tournaments

[median venture]

no one cares about the limited exclusives even if they are shiny , the ones that are useful like newsman and goblin slayer are extremly low value and easy to trade for

[lean socket]

Being low value and easy to trade for is irrelevant

it doesn't matter how cheap they are, a lot of people just don't want to involve themselves with trading anything at all because it's not an enjoyable system

[lean socket]

Also it's not that people care, it's that like somewhere around half the roster of the game is limited

[weary umbra]

i agree with you in this case

[median venture]

thats on them then you can't expect to perform well in the more challenging content in the game without putting in effort to get the things required

[lean socket]

So I started the game later and I'm missing Al

[median venture]

is al even used?

[lean socket]

And now the only way I can compete in tourneys that require him is to go through a cesspit of trying to get trades to trade up to getting him

A unit that is in finite stock as is

[weary umbra]

As for Kaguya's case, she is one of the most useful units, but right now the only way to get her is through trading.

[median venture]

how many people do you think play tourneys?

[weary umbra]

So if everything is as it is, why not just leave it that way? Giving a vanguard unit like gogeta what it deserves and giving people what they should have is still not a bad idea, right?

[lean socket]

Quite a good chunk, actually. I can't exactly give numbers, but enough to say where the amount of limited units is still genuinely a problem and suddenly making unobtainable units good and telling the people who don't have that unit that they're just shit out of luck is just not good practice

Especially because people will start overpricing the shit out of said unit because of the hypothetical VF, which makes it even more difficult to actually trade for the unit

Because either the VF is really good and that's the exact situation that happens, or it ends up like Gilg's where it's just kinda middling where people do nothing but bitch about it and just says it's not worth making a VF for the unit in that situation

Gogeta's not even in a spot where he needs a VF right now

He might be somewhat close, but really just not there yet with gogeta super being a thing

[median venture]

What im is people who don't play tourney don't care about Al

[median venture]

I think its a cool thing cuz it adds an element of planning ahead in this game

[median venture]

When do you bring him?

[weary umbra]

your problem is really easy to solve , just make it so familliar on exclusive unit is un-useable in tournament traitless , that is

[weary umbra]

but for the case of gogeta , isn't it what he deserved ? he is vanguard unit , not just vanguard level but vanguard itself . There was no pity for him neither x2 event

[lean socket]

And? He's still decently strong, he hasn't fallen off nearly as much as any of the other units who have gotten a VF

[lean socket]

When I feel like using him. I just bring gogeta super to help his damage and cost issue.

[weary umbra]

i never talking about giving him a vanguard familliar AT this moment , but in the future when he is fall of the meta like they promised .

[weary umbra]

also i can say the same thing with diavolo but there he is , gained a buff

[steel yarrow]

old dev team, its very very very clear they dont have that same sentiment now

[lean socket]

that was a proposed solution that was shut down because it's a) a convoluted thing to blacklist specific familiars, and b) kinda takes away from the whole point of vanguard familiars. It's where units being strong actually has a chance to shine the most

[steel yarrow]

id much rather have my unit thats exclusive be good in 99% of the stages so i can actually use them again, rather than have them meta in a tournament i dont play

[lean socket]

I'd much rather not have exclusive units

But that's not really my call, nor is it Valk's unfortunately

[steel yarrow]

too late now, av has made so many good characters exclusive

gilg has a saving grace of having multiple forms that are distinct characters like gogeta though

[modern zodiac]

just rerun them

too many cool units are limited

[lean socket]

I'm sure that'd go over well at this point

People already bitched enough about the anni countdown items that gave a couple units 🥀

[modern zodiac]

sore losers

[weary umbra]

They want to add a trading feature from the start, because trading will encourage a larger number of players to join.
Even thought it would be annoying for some amount of people who don't like trading
It is still necessary to give players something to do in the late game, something to achieve.

[lean socket]

I'm gonna be real, it really doesn't encourage that many people like that

I will stand by the idea that trading is just a terrible system in these games and leads to some very questionable design choices and decisions that ultimately take a huge toll on player enjoyment and general fun

It's mainly another source of pulling in revenue and incentivizing bundle purchases, while creating another sub-community of people who obsess over trading and values

[weary umbra]

yea exactly

[lean socket]

It's not a viable "late-game objective" for players though, because it doesn't matter about being something to do in late game if you refuse to get involved in the system like that

[weary umbra]

Encourage the trading community meant more income to dev team

[lean socket]

While sacrificing the happiness of a larger portion of the playerbase

[weary umbra]

But you also can't deny that there are thousands of players out there who will participate in it, and it will also help the game survive, generating additional revenue to support the development team
Therefore there is no problem in creating a trading system like it is now

[lean socket]

It's not solely about milking income out of the trading scene, there's a balancing act here

I guarantee you the people that are involved in trading are a small minority of the playerbase

[weary umbra]

A small minority of the playerbase in a big community is still a significant number

[weary umbra]

so therefore we agree that the problems here it is just they need to do a good balancing and there should be a replacement unit for exclusive units

every problem will be solved . Because there is already a replacement for gogeta , which is obito with his familliar , so there no problem doing it

[lean socket]

So we make gogeta with familiar better than obito, obito is outclassed again, and gogeta's value is artificially inflated and forces people to trade to make use of the familiar

Outstanding solution

[glacial cobalt]

gogeta rerun event not including shiny + vf + skin for old owners trust

base gogeta has little trading value to begin with

[lucid fox]

average stupid gogeta owner suggestion

[lucid fox]

the game fault for making the winter banner last for way too long ngl

[weary umbra]

I wouldn't say "Gogeta's value is artificially inflated", it just makes Gogeta's value what it is. And we did mention there should be balancing act . So depend on how good the balancing it , we wouldn't have to get him , just if you want to be the best , you could get him , that is . If you don't have him there still be a replacement which slightly worse

[woven wren]

Well it was its only hope

[weary umbra]

The same happen with deadeye broly and monarch broly . You do not have to get monarch on broly , deadeye is good enought

[slow matrix]

we dont care about furry gilg/female gilg/ dog gilg from each universe

[lucid fox]

giving a limited unit a vf is stupid no matter how you look at it
but we owners deserve it

[woven wren]

DO NOT GET GILGAMESH VF IF YOU RESPECT US OGS

[lucid fox]

the only good thing that poll bring was the war in general 2

[woven wren]

wow ur sigma kazuma 🗿 🍷

[lucid fox]

whatever, don't ruin trading for most people by making old limiteds meta again

[woven wren]

but my shiny gogeta should be worth 5 shiny kaguya

[cosmic citrus]

why

[neat girder]

It's a joke my guy don't get offended

It's just gogeta is not very good now to have the vanguard title

[neat girder]

Didn't they buffed diavolo's damage back then

[weary umbra]

yea they did buff him , twice

however after that they said they won't do it anymore , vanguard can only be buff by familliar

[neat girder]

Dang

Then gogeta would be the first vanguard that might be able to get vf

[weary umbra]

but the game might have dead by then

[neat girder]

Yeah xd

Few people would only be able to farm quest for gogeta

Only the gogeta owners would farm

[steel yarrow]

caster gilg is his coolest version besides maybe CCC 🥀

[weary umbra]

nah not true , jsut use dragon ball unit to farm the quest , same thing happened with gilgamesh .
What im talking about that when gogeta got vanguard familliar the game is already dead

[neat girder]

I'm talking about the current

Most player's are lazy to farm right now and since if gogeta were be out

[weary umbra]

no need to buff gogeta now , he is still decend

[neat girder]

Outshined by a secret unit tho
He's supposed to be a vanguard

[weary umbra]

yea we need a f*cking rework instead

a vanguard unit should be unique

[neat girder]

Ikr

[lean socket]

He was literally the first vanguard of the new team

And then the design approach of them slowly shifted to be something a lot more

[neat girder]

Dio casually dealing 2m damage as a secret

When gogeta as a vanguard dealing atleast 500k

[lean socket]

Wow, crazy what happens after 12 updates of units

Crazy how the community pick is very strong so they don’t riot about him being weak

[lucid fox]

shocking news!!!: the newer units are stronger than the old ones

[weary umbra]

What funny is , in gogeta case there is no difference between vanguard and exclusive rarity , all useless and just for cosmetics

[lucid fox]

av player find out powercreep can let into a unit becoming useless

he was meta and then he retired
let him rest

[lean socket]

Impossible, my vanguard units are supposed to last forever so that I never have to farm a new unit again

[lean socket]

Almost like, again, he was the first vanguard of the new team in an attempt to recover the game first, then shift towards these vanguard units who do either visually or mechanically crazy stuff, rather than just being a statstick of numbers who is rare for the sake of being a chase unit

[glacial cobalt]

i mean tbf they literally did say they would make an effort to keep all vanguard units relevant yet ofc with the backlash with gilgamesh i doubt that's holding true anymore

[stark badger]

that was pretty long ago, they actually went back on this statement

[glacial cobalt]

fairs

[slow matrix]

literally als logic so its not impossible

[winter terrace]

bump

[neat girder]

Bump

[quick basin]

Shut up boy