Stop making slop vanguard familiars

[thin raptor]

after cha vf gets added idc what happens to vfs

[rapid crown]

yea, i dont think that guy should have been as high as he was for as long as he did in my opinion

[thin raptor]

she doesn’t have plans for an evo

she has plans for a vf though

[covert bronze]

he was still good

[hushed jasper]

Vf doesn’t stop from getting a double evo

[neat blade]

It delays it tho

[rapid crown]

i just dont think he was upper meta good anymore after sukuna vf came out and just powercrept him bad with early placement damage 😭

[covert bronze]

they wont make a double evo until the vf is powercrept

[cinder gazelle]

.

[median sparrow]

they’re going to be put on bench for another year

[cinder gazelle]

this means that obito or gilgamesh for example, have no planned evos

[covert bronze]

sukunas prob planned just way in the future

[thin raptor]

and saber

[thin raptor]

valk LAUGHED at someone for suggesting a sukuna evo, it’s not happening

[neat blade]

wait its already confirmed?

[cinder gazelle]

assuming the guy you were talking to wasnt bullshitting

[covert bronze]

when was this

[thin raptor]

yeah, kazi was talking about it yesterday

[cinder gazelle]

owoflex dont give in

[thin raptor]

salt wouldn’t lie to me

[rapid crown]

kinda sad considering he was gonna get one then it got scrapped, but there is absolutely no way rn with how good he STILL is that he should get a double evo to make that problem even worse 😭

[covert bronze]

when was it

[cinder gazelle]

we still have some hopium left

[thin raptor]

1-2 days ago in suggestions

[covert bronze]

lets just hope

[hushed jasper]

Ngl just give saber a vf and bring in a new saber unit she has so many versions

[covert bronze]

was the reason he was laughing bc they wanted one in the near future??

[cinder gazelle]

or we can get a lartoria vanguard evo & castoria as a unit later on....

[covert bronze]

or just the idea of it

[rapid crown]

saber is a character i think deserves a VF the most, she was so strong for so long in AV and Fate update in general was a nice update, i'd love to see her become relevant again

[median sparrow]

hence why i said VFs won’t get another double evo for a whole year, because they’re going to be in the meta for several months

[neat blade]

then she wouldnt get a vanguard evo and my monarch would be mid in a few updates

[cinder gazelle]

she deserves more than a vfamiliar

[rapid crown]

i agree but i dont think they are gonna 😭

[cinder gazelle]

out of any unit that could get one

[covert bronze]

they said a sukuna vevo was possible nkw so

[median sparrow]

sasuke also deserved more than a vfamiliar ✌️

[covert bronze]

idk why they wouldnt do it jjks one of the most popular animes

[neat blade]

its possible but not soon

[thin raptor]

give normal saver a vf and add goddess rhongomynaid as a banner vanguard https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1440493560591028335/image.png?ex=6920feab&is=691fad2b&hm=198131962be78b650625448e2dfc50fc2b0b24239a8931038ef9e39067c427d1&

[median sparrow]

we could’ve had a naruto and sasuke tag vanguard..

[thin raptor]

it’s possible BUT it won’t happen since he’s so good

[neat blade]

madara better anyway

[covert bronze]

he’ll be powercrept eventually

[median sparrow]

he’d be from a slop seasonal banner and will go away in 2-3 months

[rapid crown]

i remember back in old AV where Saber powercreeped the game so insanely hard LOL

[covert bronze]

kamui said sukuna would start getting the chopping block soon

[neat blade]

pretty sure they confirmed he is being saved for a naruto upd

[hushed jasper]

Naruto double evo trust

[rapid crown]

just saying ill cry if we get bannerslop this update

[median sparrow]

we are. its the fall update

[neat blade]

99% chance it is

[rapid crown]

if the vanguard is not something i know i aint even bothering this update 🥀

[median sparrow]

my guess is it’s chainsaw man or one piece

[thin raptor]

it’s been confirmed already iirc

[neat blade]

dont worry its denji trust

[rapid crown]

i absolutely would be fine if it is

[cinder gazelle]

i wouldnt

denji vanguard as a seasonal vanguard would probably mean no csm update

[rapid crown]

there is no way it isnt in my eyes considering how well the movie did 💀

[covert bronze]

i already told you we are

[neat blade]

oh wait u right

[thin raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255541150144532571/1439731799637889176/image.png?ex=6920dc39&is=691f8ab9&hm=f000b16c4285f0b11ebaf86b6998d29a37371b563cfd2e96fff0cba35a5354e9&

makima

[rapid crown]

let me cope 🥀

[median sparrow]

they can make seasonal banners revolve around a certain anime, i don’t know why they don’t do it like that very often though

[covert bronze]

we are getting 9.5 as fall, then 10 as a random upd idk, then 10.5 the winter upd in february

[neat blade]

but then he probably wouldnt get a vanguard since they save them for banners and double evos

[covert bronze]

so we either get the winter upd in february or 3 seasonals in a row

[cinder gazelle]

just like how we arent getting re zero, akame ga kill, or frieren updates because heavily relevant characters from those pieces of media were wasted as past limited units

[cinder gazelle]

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS

SEASONAL UPDATES WITH FOCUS WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER THAN RANDOM ASS CHARACTERS BEING THROWN IN

[median sparrow]

fall event last year was dandadan, but then everything else was random

[covert bronze]

what anime solely fits a fall theme

[thin raptor]

nah

[neat blade]

soul eater

[median sparrow]

chainsaw man.

[thin raptor]

keep doing random it’s funny

we’re gonna get horror units at thanksgiving 🥀

[rapid crown]

agreed

[median sparrow]

if they’re random they’re all just gonna have the same gimmick, summer event is all burn units winter event is all freeze etc

[rapid crown]

which is unbelieveably boring as fuck 😭

[median sparrow]

and i hate that, just make it centered on one anime, same for the vanguard

[neat blade]

they would run out of update themes alot faster tho, and we would miss out on alot of cooler units

[hushed jasper]

It’s fall themed ofc there’s gonna be fall related characters

[rapid crown]

i ahve no idea what fall is gonna be like but lmao

[cinder gazelle]

i was BAFFLED when every summer event unit didnt reuse a single niche DOT from a past unit and instead opted to just use normal burn and invent yet another niche DOT in the form of black flames rather than bringing an older one back

choi is the only unit with intense burn, rengoku is the only unit with purgatory flame, dark mage is the only unit with diseased, esdeath is the only unit with affection, baiken is the only unit with that one status effect that keeps enemies in her range

there are way too many status effects being invented and used as one-offs rather than ever making another appearance

[neat blade]

maybe for summer and winter but there isnt really anything like that for fall and spring

[median sparrow]

i can see the future..

the fall update is chainsaw man..
vanguard is makima..
denji, power, and aki are exclusive
the portal secret will be kurumi

[cinder gazelle]

this is especially bad with limited units

[rapid crown]

kinda tired of them introducing status effects and them doing absolutely nothing with them

[limber orchid]

vanguard makima and kurumi secret

[thin raptor]

we all remember god slaying ruler

[cinder gazelle]

no reze...

[median sparrow]

scratch that, portal secret is reze and kurumi is world lines unit 🔥

[cinder gazelle]

id rather save kurumi for a date a live .5 update

[cinder gazelle]

this would work too!

[median sparrow]

this is something AV would do let’s be fr

[limber orchid]

date a live is not getting a full update bro
people only care about kurumi 😭

[thin raptor]

I would be fine about that

[limber orchid]

even thought the rest of the spirits are unique

well,excluding tohka

[cinder gazelle]

berserk got a full upd and people only care about guts + griffith

🤷

[neat blade]

berserk is way more popular tho

[median sparrow]

yet the smith and skull knight are goated

[limber orchid]

more popular,2 characters and skull knight have a lot of fans

[rapid crown]

skull knight is goated

[cinder gazelle]

skull knight is semi-popular too yeah

[median sparrow]

are we gonna act like the cid update didn’t have 2 units

[limber orchid]

name other date a live character people care about

people only care about kurumi

[rapid crown]

at this point ion even care what updates we get lmao

[limber orchid]

well, maybe yoshino

[median sparrow]

i don’t even know what date a live is

[limber orchid]

yoshino was in aa so she have a chance

[cinder gazelle]

i dont care about what the updates are based off of as long as the units themselves are high-quality and have good passives

[limber orchid]

missing peak as always

[median sparrow]

i just said kurumi because other people keep mentioning her and i saw her in AC and ALS

[median sparrow]

son, look at my profile. all peak.

[rapid crown]

true, i dont even really like seven deadly sins but escanor was enough to justify me grinding for him lol

[limber orchid]

can't blame them

kurumi is by far the best character from date a live but the rest are good

[cinder gazelle]

might be true...

[median sparrow]

i don’t either, i just hope they’re good. i’m not a berserk fan but i loved that update

[limber orchid]

imagine a vanguard shido
the game will reach 25m players

[cinder gazelle]

this applies to akame ga kill too

mfs only ever add esdeath to their games

[rapid crown]

same honestly, i liked alot of the units LOL

[limber orchid]

some games add akame but you right

people only like esdeath for obvious reasons

[median sparrow]

i liked her in this game, i wish there was a replacement, but obviously even after 6 months of course there isn’t

[limber orchid]

the hell does light even do

[cinder gazelle]

so many potential updates are wasted on one-off limited characters

its so stupid

[median sparrow]

We are AV devs we forget our own mechanics

[limber orchid]

shirou wasted as a limited unit is stupid

[median sparrow]

?

[limber orchid]

mcs should be excluded from being limited

[cinder gazelle]

we're never getting a frieren or re zero update despite the obvious potential for updates based on those animes bc frieren & subaru along with rem, emilia were all wasted on either worldlines or seasonal banners

[hushed jasper]

Get your point but not every units can be good

[limber orchid]

the effect in game

[median sparrow]

there’s an effect called.. light?

[limber orchid]

yea

[median sparrow]

we can’t be srs i never even heard of this 😭😭😭

[limber orchid]

idk who the hell have that

[neat blade]

its shown in the filters but its not in the wiki or anywhere else i looked

[median sparrow]

maybe it’s for a unit next update!!!

[neat blade]

its been there for a while now

[cinder gazelle]

diseased, intense burn, affection, etc

[limber orchid]

for like 5 updates

[median sparrow]

probably relates to the vanguard then

[cinder gazelle]

a lot of status effects besides the core 4 (burn, bleed, slow, repulse) are commonly left to rot 🥀

[limber orchid]

frostburn

[median sparrow]

i’m gonna use this for kratos

[neat blade]

they totally missed out by not giving yamamoto purgatory flames

[limber orchid]

watch the vf be that

[median sparrow]

his VF could give him intense burn

[limber orchid]

give him all the fire dot 🔥

[neat blade]

isnt that just burn but worse tho

[cinder gazelle]

no?? intense burn is stronger

[neat blade]

really? isnt it the same just cant stack?

[limber orchid]

hell no
frostburn is shit

too much sacrifice for a shitty effect

[cinder gazelle]

ehhh

[neat blade]

ahh i see could be kinda interesting

[limber orchid]

i still don't understand why escanor doesn't have intense burn

[median sparrow]

then i’ll make it.. good? 💀

[limber orchid]

it fit him

[cinder gazelle]

because escanor attacks too slowly to consistently reapply intense burn

in his mode, itd be cool if he did have intense burn

[limber orchid]

could have made that the one change burn to intense burn

because you know, is his peak

[cinder gazelle]

mhm

[median sparrow]

what i have in mind for kratos is that he will have a skill tree similar to hollow knight

he can only use 2 (out of 3) weapons, 1 runic attack for each weapon, and 1 relic

frostbite would happen if you combo with leviathan axe and the blades of chaos

[granite knoll]

good idea

[limber orchid]

av will make him apply slow and repulse

[median sparrow]

"follow up attacks when spartan rage activated"

[thin raptor]

don’t forget 30% slow

[limber orchid]

too much for him
give him water element and make one of his passive give him spa debuff inmunity

[granite knoll]

i mean thats not a bad passive

[limber orchid]

everything can happend if he gets the limited rarity

[median sparrow]

its not bad but its lazy

id rather a unit have no follow ups then a follow up

[granite knoll]

"kratos attacks 3 times if a enemey is slowed in his range"

[median sparrow]

just double their damage bro it makes no difference

[granite knoll]

ehh

[limber orchid]

give him a bar which forces you to use black spirit on him

[granite knoll]

it kinda does

[median sparrow]

i was gonna give him a bar for spartan rage.. BUT, i can have it work like SJWs so it doesnt require black spirit

[granite knoll]

pls dont

[cinder gazelle]

it makes a big difference imo

follow-up attacks allow for units to attack for a longer amount of time on top of shredding shields

some follow ups also have unique mechanics connected to them

[median sparrow]

still not giving one to kratos

[granite knoll]

uhh you are

[median sparrow]

follow ups and crit demons pmo the most in units

[limber orchid]

give Kratos a passive that give him 20% more damage and 15% more range

[granite knoll]

not a bad idea

[limber orchid]

and he lose it when you upgrade him

[cinder gazelle]

theyre def overdone as main unit hooks

[stray idol]

I'm ngl the electric arc is deadass just a cool mechanic, this is the least sloppy vf we've gotten so far imo

Passive 3 is filler though, could've been anything

[random wolf]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[stuck parcel]

Could've been, but it would've required some serious toning down on the arc

[hollow thorn]

vanguard familiars dont remove the possibility of a unit getting another evo i dont even know why its a issue

either you get the familiar or you just get whatever else you want from the shop instead complaining to complain

[brave cloud]

They are literally a win/win, I don’t understand why people complain about them, they are also completely optional if you don’t do tournaments. Free rerolls or a buff to an old unit of yours for playing 20 minutes for 5 days whilst also taking zero time off development

[thin raptor]

they soft do

sukuna isn’t getting a double evo for a long, long, long time now because of the vf

and before you say “he wouldn’t of gotten one anyway”, he would’ve, they just got JJK back on the table after his VF was made

[hollow thorn]

ok its def not 20 minutes unless you do odyyssy limitless each time

[brave cloud]

Why would someone not do that if they are strictly going for the quest?

[hollow thorn]

vf doesnt change the time frame at all they have updates planned out for a long time and second evos to the unit would not be able to use the familiar

[thin raptor]

no I know that they only apply to the base unit and not the evo, but there’s no reason to give an evolution to units like sukuna anymore since he’s super good

id rather units who can’t get double evos (like cha hae in, salter, etc.) to get priority in getting them, and save quality double evos for units who can get double evos

[neat blade]

It’s the fact that the devs are pushing out boring vfs when they could take some time to make better events that they can reuse

[hollow thorn]

you just made a point for why vf is better 😭 if hes better rn that means a second evo for him would come out when he falls out of meta meaning the units usability is longer than it would be without the vf

vf will never be a bad thing cause either the unit is good and you get free resources or the unit is still bad but you get even more free resources

🛶

[brave cloud]

That’s true but that would also take time off development, Pyseph said the reason why VFs are pushed is because they are easy to implement and don’t take time off main upd development. They are an easy way to fill in the gap between updates that benefits the community and the devs.

[thin raptor]

I don’t think you get the full picture, valk laughed when someone asked about sukuna getting an evolution

even if he falls off the tier list again, like all the other double vanguard evos have been off the tier list, it’ll be so far in the future that the game probably won’t even be alive

also a tester added onto valk’s point saying “he had his time to shine let him go”

[stray idol]

Considering the next 6 updates after the current one are almost always planned, that's almost half an year before sukuna would even be considered for a double evo. I don't see how the unit staying irrelevant for 6 more months after already having been useless for the past 8 is a better outcome.

[thin raptor]

I’d like VFs to have all 3 passives matter, have only full community input affect their addition (not testers), and to only be applied to units who can’t get double evos

[thin raptor]

who said they have the next 6 updates planned

[neat blade]

Taking a little time off of development once isnt really isn’t that big of a deal tho, they already proven they can do it with elemental confluence so they really don’t got an excuse

[stray idol]

Valk

[thin raptor]

proof

[brave cloud]

Valk has said everything up until second anniversary has been planned

[stuck parcel]

They usually have at minimum the next 3-4, if not more

[stray idol]

Go check the past few stage notes, he said this about stage suggestions

[thin raptor]

that is a lot more than 6 updates, unless they’re doing 1 update every 2 months

[thin raptor]

that was like 6 updates ago bro 🥀

[brave cloud]

Yeah, just complementing Enderian’s comment

[stray idol]

And it still applies lol

[median sparrow]

ill actually go depressed if every new update takes longer than 4 weeks, its getting outrageous 💔

[brave cloud]

And just for the updates to be an AFK fest 😭

[stray idol]

Yeah this is the first 0.5 thats gonna be 4 weeks, pretty stupid

[median sparrow]

especially if i have to wait 4 weeks just for another slop banner

[thin raptor]

don’t really get why you guys are complacent with clear slop but alr

[median sparrow]

whos you guys

[thin raptor]

I see

[stray idol]

Why would I want units to stay irrelevant for another year

[neat blade]

3 weeks and no sneak were cooked💔

[thin raptor]

because you want them to actually get quality like they deserve and want to see their character portrayed in an interesting way?

[brave cloud]

VFs are a small problem if we want to overall aboard the “slop” content in this game lol

[thin raptor]

idk bro I’d rather have saber get a vanguard evo in 4 months than her get a vf today, even though I love saber

[thin raptor]

they’re an addition to the growing slop this game is having, I’m not saying they make the full picture at all

[stray idol]

Considering the devs' statement of "vfs dont affect whether or not a unit gets a double evo" and the fact that I don't want units to rot in my inventory for another 10 updates before they MAYBE get a double evo, I'm fine with VFs

[neat blade]

They are the easiest thing to solve though

[stray idol]

Plus let's be very real sasuke would not be the naruto unit getting a double evo anyway

[median sparrow]

they need to hurry up with double evos instead of event banners

[stray idol]

Sukuna got his vf back when a double evo was fully out of the question so i won't comment on that

[thin raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441252505026691214/1441252505521623141/cha_goat.PNG?ex=69211e7e&is=691fccfe&hm=786e4c58871817b58b35a575a0137a6d59bbcac4a5b05534f7d24edb689e2cb5&

also I’m not against vfs, I’ve made a few myself, I just think (again) that all 3 passives should be useful, we should get them mostly (if not always) for units who can never get an evo for other reasons, and that only community impact should matter, not testers

[median sparrow]

couldve been a naruto and sasuke tag 😔

[stray idol]

It'd still have been a naruto evo

[brave cloud]

We’ve literally gotten 2 double evos in the entirety of the game’s life span, I whole heartedly agree with this, I rather get a VF to make my unit usable than having it rot for months until the devs decide it’s adequate to add another evolution to it

[thin raptor]

I feel like they should be prioritizing units like Salter or Cha who can’t get double evos because either they don’t have stronger forms, or that their stronger forms aren’t well known

[stray idol]

Considering naruto hasnt been in VF polls yet I think its obvious who's getting the double evo

[thin raptor]

I hope not

[sacred solar]

almost didnt ser the . on the 2nd passive and thought it was increasing her dmg by 2.5k% lol

[neat blade]

Tbf half of that time there wasn’t really a unit old enough to need one

[cinder gazelle]

i dont think one unit staying meta for months upon months on end is healthy for the game, actually

[thin raptor]

2 Naruto Vanguards before some animes even have 1 usable unit

[stray idol]

I mean yeah that's how hype works

[thin raptor]

🥀

[thin raptor]

is Naruto even hype amongst their audience of <15 year olds

[stray idol]

A 4th naruto vanguard would still be more well known than a vanguard out of 99% of other media

[cinder gazelle]

a unit getting a VFamiliar only to get an evo when they fall out of meta is bullshit

one unit/one unit's evolution line staying meta is not good

[sacred solar]

idk i wanna get madara later down the line

and i think we good on naruto vanguards unless its madara tbh

[thin raptor]

ngl bray there’s no point arguing about it anymore

these people can’t change it, valk isn’t changing it since av just wants money, so

[stray idol]

It's 99% a naruto double evo

[stray idol]

It all boils down to how hype the unit

If the character staying relevant forever resonates well with the community and makes the devs money why would they stop

[sacred solar]

because balancing

[neat blade]

It doesn’t and it doesn’t matter how hype it is

[stray idol]

You think they gaf 😭

[cinder gazelle]

because that just isnt good for the meta? like. at all???

[median sparrow]

son, look at dio

[sacred solar]

they changed from having almost no powercreep to having powercreep since of lately

[neat blade]

They tried it before and everyone hated it and begged for power creep

[sacred solar]

exactly what i was thinking about

[stray idol]

Yeah, they changed because the majority of th community wanted changes, and the ccu reflected that

[stray idol]

The point in question is "sukuna shouldn't get a double evo after his vf has also gone out of meta", ofc people would complain about sukuna vf itself staying in the meta for that long

[sacred solar]

then there is no point to keeping a unit forever in meta because that means that it will boil down to the discussion that was just had before: why get new units if my old ones can do the same or better than the new ones

[cinder gazelle]

why the fuck would you ever need to grind new content if ur unit from 5 updates ago is still meta

[stray idol]

I think people would look at this differently if the unit is an evo of an old one, but what do i know

It's not like this is a relevant hypothetical there'd atleast be like 6 months between sukuna vf going out of meta and him maybe getting a double evo😭

[sacred solar]

6 months = 4 updates

💔

[brave cloud]

Game needs to speed up development

[thin raptor]

yeah

[stray idol]

Yeah idk how these 0.5s are taking longer than 4.0

[sacred solar]

hopefully things get better after 9.5 and redesigns

[cinder gazelle]

this is what valk said would happen

if a unit gets a vfamiliar, they dont have an evo for that unit planned for the foreseeable future or until WAAAAY out

[thin raptor]

either speed up development or make the content longer so we have stuff to do, I don’t log into the game anymore because I’m done with everything in 3 days 🥀 🥀

[brave cloud]

How long has it been since anniversary already? 19 days and still not a single sneak like wtf

[sacred solar]

making the content longer wouldnt really do much since to this day people (rightfully) complain about the vsjw quest

[cinder gazelle]

which is really unfortunate in the case of many units that are on the table to get a vfamiliar, such as saber. why would you want a slop vfamiliar now rather than just waiting a bit for a MUCH more hype and worth-while evo comes out for her?

[stuck parcel]

tbh with the stuff they have planned for 9.5, I have a feeling I know what they wanna sneak

[median sparrow]

yeah, 19. update released on the first of november

[sacred solar]

i mean this was slop but still thats how i think atleast

[stuck parcel]

and it's gonna take a WHILE

[stray idol]

I think the only unit that would probably have gotten a double evo but got a vf instead was sukuna and the situation was a bit different back then. It's fairly obvious that obito and sasuke weren't gonna be the naruto vanguard

[cinder gazelle]

vfamiliars are bandaid solutions to keep ccu up inbetween updates

[thin raptor]

they complain because that’s the worst way to do long content, there was no variation in it

instead of making it 50 hours in 1 thing, you could do 8 hours in 1, 10 hours in 1, 5 hours in 1, whatever

ykwim

[brave cloud]

And once you finish that content you still gotta do the lonnggg wait, game needs to add another way to get replayability aside from the main upd grind as essentially once said is done, you won’t touch it again.

[sacred solar]

sneaking fnaf remake in av

[stuck parcel]

fuck dont leak it smh

[stray idol]

This is still just tedious, not "hard" or "challenging"

[thin raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1439707872211636254/image.png?ex=6920c5f1&is=691f7471&hm=886c0c830975ac750a7ec5ab37ff0ebc89b6cd92bd937187a416e7764d675c76&

and this is why we need a mha update

[sacred solar]

prob would be better if it wasnt so demanding too lol, for new players the sacrificing thing was hell

The summon (5000 i think?) shadows was also just slop

The 50 kills were even more slop

[neat blade]

Still would probably have to be shortened tho anything outside of 10 hours is just too much for 1 unit

[brave cloud]

I can’t even blame them for not communicating as much, most of the time the “we need more time” ends up in a bigger outrage compared to complete silence, but it’s still kind of sad that it takes this long for updates honestly.

[thin raptor]

so I didn’t say hard, I said grindy, which is normally tedious

you can’t have hard and grindy

people burn out too fast if the content is hard to do and if you have to do it a lot

key example ex stage for gg

[stray idol]

What's the point of just making units more cancer to get 😭 . From my pov all this does is force afks harder and drive away casuals

[thin raptor]

well yeah I was just giving an example 🥀

[brave cloud]

After they butchered deku, I don’t know if I want to see the mangled corpse of shigsraki 😭

[neat blade]

Oh mb😭

[sacred solar]

people will prob forgive them if the sneak is good enough

[thin raptor]

valk said we were getting a final war update sometime

[stray idol]

In 2028

[thin raptor]

so that’s nice I guess

[stuck parcel]

They have a LOT going into this one

[thin raptor]

by your logic it’ll be in the next six months since he has everything planned out

[sacred solar]

straight out of anniversary

[thin raptor]

how do you know that if your not tester 🥀

[stuck parcel]

I didn't see everything for 9.5 beforehand, but the few things I do know

[stray idol]

It's not my logic, it is his statement

[stuck parcel]

I'm not leaking a damn thing about it, but it's hopefully not anni levels

[thin raptor]

bros got his role stripped on the discord to act as an av agent

[brave cloud]

Knowing the AV community it’s hard, for some reason people are much critical to AV compared to other ATDs, just look at the stupid TikTok ccs complaining and screaming each time something they don’t like gets added/sneaked

[stray idol]

Vsjw triple evo am i right

[sacred solar]

devs seem to plan ahead very well from what i've seen

[thin raptor]

I don’t believe anything you or the devs say outright because of how much they lie to us

[stuck parcel]

quality over quantity instead of the other way around like anni

[stoic turret]

u say u want them to stop doing sloppy content but ur solution isnt any better

[thin raptor]

fully expecting it to be quantity like anni because that brings more ccu in which is what they care about most above all now

[sacred solar]

😭 its bc AV literally has the most transparent devs in atd (the bar isnt high ik ik)

[stuck parcel]

Anni was too much quantity

And hopefully more than just valk realized that

[brave cloud]

I fucking hate Byuki and Nilly, don’t know how they have a big platform till this day

[stuck parcel]

tbf he knew that from the start

[brave cloud]

Yeah, it was bound to be hard to manage. Especially towards unit balance

[stuck parcel]

Not even just balance

Just from a gameplay standpoint

[brave cloud]

Also having picks being liked by the community and having a piece for every part of the community

[stuck parcel]

I've literally only evo'd like 3 units lmao

the only ones I care about

[sacred solar]

i feel like a single community pick was too little lol, maybe next year we can see a 2 part anniversary event with 1 community pick each

[stray idol]

I mean yeah, it is a business, a business aims to maximize profits. If the community decided they don't want slop anymore and the ccu went down, there'd be change. There have been changes whenever the majority of the community has wanted them. The majority of the community just doesn't mind the direction the game is headed in atm, in fact casuals seem to love it, I can see why. You and me are the vocal minority

[brave cloud]

I ended up evoing most because of the rerolls, WOU requiring takedowns was DIABOLICAL

[sacred solar]

wou took me less time than fucking doom guy

[stray idol]

Yeah doing it pre the 500 takedowns change was pretty shitty

[sacred solar]

i literally did a 52 minute run to get the takedowns on doom guy

[stray idol]

It's fine now though

[stuck parcel]

I don't really care about farming the rerolls

[median sparrow]

and people call me crazy when i say units shouldnt require 5k takedowns

[stuck parcel]

I'll probably do it towards the end of events and grab the phoenix shards if i do

i have the evo items at least

but I can't be assed to farm essence stones

[stray idol]

Most units take like 10 minutes, its just the one placements who suck

[brave cloud]

Honestly if it wasn’t for rerolls I wouldn’t have evo’d most, I really didn’t like the picks tbh aside from Doom slayer, WoU and HK those were the only ones I cared about.

[stuck parcel]

Oh yeah, 4 units

i forgot about zilla

the only shiny i cared about

[sacred solar]

its still a pretty useless thing that was copied from aa and somehow hasnt been removed yet

[brave cloud]

Godzilla was cool ig but the rest were just awkward picks

Like why tf did we get the stupid cat

😡

[covert bronze]

i wonder

[covert bronze]

how

[stray idol]

1 placement bad aoes

Took me like 40 or more minutes too

[covert bronze]

it took me like 30

hell it took me one inf run

[mystic linden]

Are you guys going to play the game just because of this relative of a horrible, old character like Sasuke? Not even his effects are good.

[restive rune]

if pre nerf lfelt was brought back she would be contesting with dio oh, her ass was not balanced what so ever😭

[covert bronze]

hes good wym

[dry galleon]

bump

[mild ocean]

They are literally giving us vfs for units that nobody asked for 🤦 rogita ssj4 should get a vf as It came second in the poll, not to mention the community as a whole have been begging for an alucard vf or 2nd evo to drop. These developers just refuse to listen to the community and it's going to cause the game to die

[covert bronze]

gogeta and alucard arent getting vfs

[mild ocean]

But why not? The community wants it

[covert bronze]

alucard should be obvious and if gogeta did he wouldn't be good

[covert bronze]

because the community will complain gogeta is only slightly meta

[mild ocean]

Depends how broken they make rogita, and you're forgetting that trading exists

[covert bronze]

trading doesnt fix the issue

[mild ocean]

If getting rogita is soooooo important to someone then they can always just trade for it right?

[covert bronze]

nope

[mild ocean]

And if the devs try use the excuse of the competitive scene then any comp player can just trade for it, if you have good enough stuff to play comp you probably have good enough stuff to trade for a rogita

[covert bronze]

trading doesnt fix the issue that gogeta is limited

[mild ocean]

And what's wrong with giving a limited a vf?

[covert bronze]

nothing the vf just has to be ass

[mild ocean]

It's not the end of the world is it?

[covert bronze]

and then it'd be a waste of a vf which is why they stopped doing it

[mild ocean]

Why does it have to be ass?

[covert bronze]

because its a limited..

[mild ocean]

That doesn't mean that it should be bad though?

[covert bronze]

yes it does

[mild ocean]

Why?

It can be good without being broken yk

[covert bronze]

if its "good" without being broken people will complain

[covert bronze]

forcing people into doing something to obtain a meta unit already ended terribly, a limited unit from months ago should not suddenly become meta again

trading doesnt solve the issue there is still a very limited amount of people that can even use the familiar

[mild ocean]

So just because someone doesn't have 1 meta unit doesn't mean that everyone's going to complain

[naive oyster]

ALs method

[mild ocean]

You're acting as if there aren't 10+ meta units right now, there are always alternatives for players to use

[mild ocean]

Fr I don't see why av can't do that as well, it'd make the playerbase feel like grinding for vanguards has a purpose

[covert bronze]

they did that with gilgamesh and people complained he was shit

[mild ocean]

He was ass though

[covert bronze]

it does have a purpose. by being good for like 8 months..

[covert bronze]

they made him usable which is the most they can do with limited vfs

[mild ocean]

Diavolo wasn't good for 8 months

[covert bronze]

hell gogeta would've been done worse

[covert bronze]

because he wasnt designed the way every other vanguard was

[mild ocean]

What happened to the devs saying vanguards would never fall out of meta?

Lying to the player base now huh, they are too full of themselves

[covert bronze]

they retracted their statement cuz they realized its stupid

[mild ocean]

The game should die so that they humble themselves and actually release good updates while simultaneously listening ti the community

[mild ocean]

Buffing a unit every couple of months isn't necessarily a bad idea, look at how als does it and it works

[covert bronze]

what limited units do they buff

[mild ocean]

Not limiteds but they buff godlies right?

[covert bronze]

do you think those are limiteds

[mild ocean]

No they aren't

[covert bronze]

exactly

[mild ocean]

But it's not like av buffs the permanent vanguards anyways

Vsjw is ass now, he's barely usable. Gets outdpsed by literally anything

Even the horrible anniversary banner units can out dps him 😭

[covert bronze]

barely usable when he has the best longevity in the game

[mild ocean]

Yhwach has the best...

[covert bronze]

❓

[mild ocean]

How is buffing old units stupid? Make it make sense

[covert bronze]

buffing limited units is stupid

[mild ocean]

How

[covert bronze]

they said they'd buff vanguards when they're off meta when broly didnt exist

[dense plume]

Dumb argument considering the most broken units are limited

[covert bronze]

limited units released recently vs released months ago

[mild ocean]

Rogita and diavolo are off meta?

They haven't been buffed

[dense plume]

Still limited

[covert bronze]

diavalo is too rare to give him a buff, rogita cant have a good vf

[dense plume]

There's no reason limited units shouldn't get a vf

[mild ocean]

Why can't rogita have a good vf?

[covert bronze]

theres a huge difference between a limited unit being released right now and being good compared to one from months ago that was buffed to be good

[median sparrow]

this was like 8+ months ago, plans have changed.

when VSJW falls out of meta, he'll get his familiar.

[dense plume]

Rogita definitely can have a good vf

[covert bronze]

no he cannot

gilgamesh has a shit familiar and hes more common than gogeta

[mild ocean]

It's the av devs 😂 they ain't doing that

[dense plume]

Yea not when the one released months ago wasn't even really good to begin with, could also bring up kaguya she was released months ago and still broken

[covert bronze]

kaguya is an outlier because shes a vanguard bud

[median sparrow]

its more probable for VSJW to get an VF in the future rather than gogeta if im being honest

[dense plume]

So is gogeta???

[covert bronze]

yeah and he was good up until 6.0 😭

[dense plume]

Saying outliar bc vanguard as if gogeta isn't a vanguard but nowhere near as good as her

[covert bronze]

all of these units besides dio and maybe wou are getting powercrept

[dense plume]

Has to be ragebait

[dense plume]

Yes so a limited unit will be broken for a long time, thanks for proving my point

[covert bronze]

they will maintain support roles after their dps falls off they wont remain broken 💀

[dense plume]

Whatever u say bud, ragebait used to be believable

[covert bronze]

dio is the only one to have any real longevity

bro i love when people say its ragebait cuz they have nothing to argue for

[dense plume]

Saying this but no good augment as to why gogeta shouldn't get a good vf lol, I'm not saying broken like valentine's or tengens btw but for him to be meta again, doesn't need to be broken

[covert bronze]

because hes rarer than gilgamesh and gilgamesh got a shit familiar 💀 you think theyre gonna do an update like 20% of their community can even do

[covert bronze]

"meta" and not broken would make him in the same tier as gilgamesh and people whined about gilgamesh

[dense plume]

Vf ain't an update

[covert bronze]

semantics

[dense plume]

People whined bc it wasn't said beforehand that limiteds familiars won't be as good, it's known now so it won't be an issue like can we use our brain for 1 second

[covert bronze]

people whined because the familiar was shit

there were people mad at that but more people were mad the familiar was ass

[dense plume]

Acting like the reason people whined isn't bc the devs didn't say anything ab that, so everybody thought the familiar will be as good as tengens or obitos

[covert bronze]

it takes common sense to know they can't be as good, and i also swear i remember a dev saying they won't be as good

[dense plume]

Yea bc they thought it was gonna be busted like tengens, now it's known Limited familiars won't be like omg it's not hard to use critical thinking

[dense plume]

No announcement was made beforehand at all, if it was said in general that's like barely any people seeing it

You have still to make a good argument so I ain't gonna waste my time arguing with someone like you

[covert bronze]

people were 1000% more mad that the gilgamesh fam was just shit idk why u keep saying its not hard to use critical thinking

bro you cant even speak english 😭 who are you trying to ego

[dense plume]

Because of the context, which was that nobody said it was gonna be ass and most av players don't have common sense (prime example with saying broly was ass). You can't just ignore the context and say "it was just this" like no? If there was an announcement saying "hey the familiar will not be nearly as good as tengens or obitos due to Gilgamesh being Limited" it would have been not NEARLY as much whining from the community

[dense plume]

Literally talking out of your ass with this, why we lying 😭

[covert bronze]

hey buddy if you saw people in the discord you'd know they were complaining about it being ass. obviously there were still complaints about not being told beforehand but the main complaint was how it was ass and needed a buff

[dense plume]

Omfg you're beyond dumb I ain't even gonna try, you literally either didn't read what I said or are too dumb to actually understand it

Peak ragebait

[covert bronze]

also i dont know how this helps with your argument for a gogeta vf lmao

[dense plume]

Ur argument is that he can't be good, but he can like Gilgamesh, he just can't be broken which is what hier tengen and Obito are on, lit just a good vf, doesn't have to be broken

[covert bronze]

if hes like gilgamesh people will complain

[dense plume]

Istg some people need to pay more attention in school 😭🙏

[covert bronze]

gogeta is rarer than kaguya, people already complained about mid vfs, and making old limited units meta again would just ruin the game

[dense plume]

0 reading comprehension in the slightest

[covert bronze]

whatever you say bud

[dense plume]

Just a shit argument

[covert bronze]

yeah because a good example of a good vf is gilgamesh 🤦

[mild ocean]

Exactly this guy is an idiot

[dense plume]

He is good, went to being meta again like tf? Not broken but still good

[covert bronze]

he was usable he was not good

[mild ocean]

Yh everyone had high expectations and they disappointed us, that's why people were mad. Not because not everyone had gilgamesh 😭

[dense plume]

He lit is good bro can we be fr

[dense plume]

Finally someone who can read

[mild ocean]

For an exclusive that's viable, but a vanguard getting a vf should be upper meta for sure

Not necessarily high upper meta but just upper meta in general

[covert bronze]

its sad that you couldnt even understand my point

[mild ocean]

They don't have to keep it in meta permanently

[covert bronze]

no one mentioned the rarity of gilgamesh

[mild ocean]

I just came back on so I missed a lot

Explain your point then? I hope it isn't something stupid again

[covert bronze]

he has to be mid at best he cannot be anywhere upper meta 😭 not hard to understand this

[mild ocean]

Why can't he be upper meta though? You aren't giving any reasons as to why

A vanguard unit deserves to be upper meta right?

[covert bronze]

hes rarer than kaguya, 8 months old, like 20% of the community even has him, gilgamesh is way more common than him and hes shit

[mild ocean]

What's wrong with rarity?

[covert bronze]

are you stupid

[mild ocean]

No, explain your point

[covert bronze]

theyre not doing a vf 20% (highball btw) can even use AND have it be good

[mild ocean]

If there are 10 units in upper meta and someone doesn't have 1 of them, are they going to care that much? I don't think so

Unless it's a competitive player you don't need the absolute best units in this game

[covert bronze]

theyre going to care if its anything competitive 💀

[mild ocean]

There's a reason why the devs are making new updates easy to complete

[mild ocean]

I already explained my point on the competitive scene earlier, it seems like you lack reading comprehension

[covert bronze]

what about how people that are in comp can trade for gogeta? thats just a stupid point

forcing people into stuff they dont want to do was one of the major complaints in 6.0 btw 💀

[mild ocean]

If someone is good enough to be playing the game competitively then I'd assume that they'd have the means to trade for a rogita

If you can't even afford a rogita then you shouldn't be playing comp in general

And rogita is only 1 single unit btw, other units are also good comp

[covert bronze]

so people who do tournaments all day are told to screw off if they cant afford gogeta 💀
thank god they dont listen to some people

[mild ocean]

You're acting as if you aren't forced to do a lot of stuff in this game if you want to play comp in general, you already need almost all upper meta units monarch

[mild ocean]

You're acting as if people don't use alternatives in tournaments 😭

[covert bronze]

wow its almost as if to get number 1 you cant use alternatives!

[mild ocean]

That's how all tournaments are like right?

Some people just come on this app to say dumb shi 🤦 schools have to be illegal in whatever country you're in

[covert bronze]

thats not forcing you you just naturally do that as you progress through the game.. if gogeta was good he'd likely only be used in comp stuff so you'd literally have to go out of your way just to get him, and if you cant afford him after people start overpricing him, good luck

love the insults bro keep them coming you're really hurting my feelings

[mild ocean]

You insulted me first? This has gotta be ragebait

[mild ocean]

And if you naturally play the game I'd assume that you have vanguards?

You're acting as if people didn't have to go out of their way to get yhwach during the old tournaments, where monarch yhwach was a necessity

Rifts in general aren't necessarily a good mode but people were forced to play it in order to play comp

[mild ocean]

If someone cares that much about tournaments then they'd be able to trade for it 💀 are you even reading what I'm saying?

The comp scene is a very small proportion of the player base anyways, and it wouldn't be negatively affected (that badly), while everyone with rogita would be happy that he actually gets a familiar and becomes usable again

[brave cloud]

To be honest, I feel like a big part of the community couldn’t think about the fact that the unit could not possibly be broken, the unit could be good but not meta. They should’ve said that before throwing the poll and having the community vote. Even tho it was obvious to an extent that they couldn’t make a limited unit broken meta again

I would be completely fine with Gogeta being much more usable even if he isn’t a beast.

[mild ocean]

Even bottom of upper meta would be fine by me 🙏 they could js give him status effect immunity and more dmg so that he has higher dps. If they did that he'd be good again

[stuck parcel]

Maybe if he completely falls off sure, but he ain’t really in need of a VF at the moment anyways