i love you valk

[coarse frigate]

i imagine they wouldn't take any risk regarding MHA considering its placement on Roblox, you should expect that tbh

[round bay]

Its a fictional character

[bitter locust]

Anime Royale, and Anime Reborn (I balanced the release of it but left right before the game dropped bc management was bad)

Do you think AG has a balancer?

[bold gale]

that's lwk tuff ash

[robust fox]

Valk add Yamamoto vf and my life is ylurs

[inner surge]

this implies the big FF is already in the game….

[bitter locust]

Do you really think that?

[lethal furnace]

this game is doomed

[bold gale]

Units are kinda balanced now LOL

[bitter locust]

Eh

LOL

[dreamy turtle]

hes next vanguard, next skin, next vf, next fam

[inner surge]

yal ready for the triple T vanguard

[bold gale]

it's not powercreep every update now

[inner surge]

aura

bear 5 skin

[lament zinc]

next farm unit too

[chrome grove]

next vanguard is makima or denji, trust

[robust fox]

ANSWER ME VALK

[coarse frigate]

vanguard freddy fazbear 200k ccu on AV 🗣️

[dreamy turtle]

idk man boros has a like 22x dmg mapwide nuke

[robust fox]

ADD THE FAMILIAR

[round bay]

Honestly tho yama deserves it he was so much worse than the other 2 upd secrets

[inner surge]

dante and vergil should get cost reduction per kill cause of red orbs 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

[dreamy turtle]

and robin existing makes balance out the window to begin with

[young sand]

als was trying to fix the powercreep after the frieren update by making every new unit ass until they hit 5k ccu and now every new unit is the best unit in the game

:sob

[inner surge]

lol

[young sand]

😭

[inner surge]

yhwach and aizen were so good

[robust fox]

You know in the deepest chasms of your soul… YOU WANT IT TOO, THE YAMAMOTO FAMILIAR

[round bay]

Dante should be able to infinite stun combo all enemies

[inner surge]

then fucking yama

[bitter locust]

"Valk add this thing!" "Valk add this anime!" A question so good it should get asked on stage so I can ignore it there too.

[inner surge]

was just yama

[random root]

Please speed I need this 💔
I missed him

[robust fox]

ADD IT VALK

[bold gale]

last like 3 updates were barely any powecreep

[inner surge]

😭

[inner surge]

waiittttt

[coarse frigate]

IT AINT EVEN YOUR JOB TO DO ALL THAT YOU BALANCE 😭

[robust fox]

I forever push the Yamamoto agenda

[lethal furnace]

freddy fazbear but he plays the hurr hurr huurrr theme or whatever to the entire lobby when u place him and he becomes more obnoxious than lagshooter

[robust fox]

ADD IT VALK

[bold gale]

valk yo can you add sjw triple evo and have a new rarity

[bitter locust]

Surely LOL

[robust fox]

DEWIT

[dreamy turtle]

idk i havent played since they cid/sjw upd
after hitting endgame i found the game boring as it was just beating a bunch of stages for a unit who i dont need cuz my team is op as fuck anyways

[bold gale]

remember when people were suggesting limiting how much Vanguards you can have on a team 😭😭😭🙂‍↕️✌️✌️

[lament zinc]

av?

[inner surge]

cid will probably be soloing new events for the next 6-7 months

[young sand]

als slop

[lethal furnace]

we are als

[inner surge]

ag

[robust fox]

Valk while you’re at it after adding the Yamamoto vf please nerf ywach

[coarse frigate]

AAH YES, BALANCE THE UNITS THAT DONT EXIST LOL

[lament zinc]

😭

[chrome grove]

bro youre a tester and you dont play the game? 💔

[dreamy turtle]

ag is the av issue taken to a whole new level

[robust fox]

Make him unusable

[bold gale]

true.

[inner surge]

ag

[dreamy turtle]

im not a ag tester

[chrome grove]

ohh

[round bay]

I mean he plans too but obvious "add x anime" doesnt accomplish anything when next 6 updates are already planned

[bold gale]

ok atleast ag has consistent update times with good enough models.

[lament zinc]

LMAO i havent even heard of that game until now

[dreamy turtle]

i may have not evod all the anni units, but i got my shiny mon dio and i def plaeyd the update

[bold gale]

ag modeller is actually rlly tiff

tuff

idk who it is

[coarse frigate]

that as well

[bold gale]

but I like the models

[inner surge]

go get them 15 phoenix per evo twin

[dreamy turtle]

every unit is op as fuck, % based dmg, send all enemies to spawn, shit like that

[young sand]

is it?

[lethal furnace]

arent they commissioned by multiple devs

[young sand]

i thought they were always changing plans

[bitter locust]

alr no more yapping, gotta go back to work

[round bay]

1 okay birb and then u roll c2

[bitter locust]

you guys go back to hating me now

[coarse frigate]

i have literally no idea what this update is gonna be but we will see

[timid spruce]

I mean yeah ALS’ content (which is arguably the 2nd best ATD atm, even if it’s kinda far) isn’t bad it just gets boring after a while

I feel like AV’s only gripe in terms of “interesting gameplay loops” is vanguard banners/vanguard quests, which I get pull in ccu, but I feel like quests should be a little more than just doing the dungeon stage a lot, and portals are just boring in general (but I know that’s not your fault since the greenies love their portals)

[dreamy turtle]

either way accomplishes nothing

[inner surge]

tech

[coarse frigate]

nuh nuh we sharing valk love in here now

[lament zinc]

if we make all units broken, then no units are broken so that = good balancing

[dreamy turtle]

cuz devs arent going to say "yes we will add this update"

[timid spruce]

only part about ALS I like is how their godly quests work

and their unit selection

[young sand]

i only remember them in the 6.5 dev stage that all of teh upds till 9.0 were alr planned

[bold gale]

👀👀

[inner surge]

GUYS I HATE VALK WHY WONT HE ADD 100% HP EXECUTE UNITS 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[lethal furnace]

yes go work on that dandadan part 2 update

[round bay]

The last few updates, als' content has been pretty bad. Extreme boosts barely even count as content

[inner surge]

WHERES MY % DMG EVERY HIT

[lethal furnace]

❤️

[bold gale]

valk illusion always welcomes you.

[young sand]

yeah @chrome grove change that title already

[round bay]

The cooked ass economy the game has doesnt help

[chrome grove]

no.

[inner surge]

son

[dreamy turtle]

and it works to a extent
but once you reach near endgame i just lost all motivation to go grind a stage for 2 hours just for the unit to have 0 use

[bold gale]

hi

[lethal furnace]

we need more passives like andre

[dreamy turtle]

and as far as im aware they got 0 interesting comp content

[young sand]

im lowk goated for summoning him tho

[round bay]

Why would i ever grind smth in als ever again when i have 1m capsules stored

[timid spruce]

https://preview.redd.it/arceus-vs-ccc-gilgamesh-who-would-win-v0-2qvsv0mmelad1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6b86c1862a17e158636741c11e05e3c4989cd97b

CCC gilg would have a 50% execution (no this is not the version av has, it’s a different version where he’s FAR stronger)

[inner surge]

only way i’m hopping back on ag is if fheybaddd a hype character i really like

[young sand]

who wanna hit divinity in racket rivals w me

[dreamy turtle]

yes strongest alien
the best passive ever made and its why goku is the goat

[lethal furnace]

you see the vision..

[lament zinc]

just searched and it looks like infinite goes on forever bc of the units😭

[chrome grove]

so much op units, nowhere to use them

[dreamy turtle]

i dont see how you ever lose

[lethal furnace]

yes we need more +2% dmg on hit

[inner surge]

all this when sjw solos cause he’s a sigma aura phonk tuff blud

[bold gale]

yo g money can you look at my suggestion abt vg familiar recolors 👀👀

[lethal furnace]

yes we need more 10% spa 20% rng on placement

[inner surge]

lowk a gilga vanguard would be cool tho

[lethal furnace]

yes we need andre balancing

valk hate agenda

[round bay]

20% damage -10% spa is aura tho lock in

[inner surge]

if we get a holy vanguard it has to be either fate or pucci

nun less

[bold gale]

gilga vg familiar>> vsjw

[dreamy turtle]

i saw it, was laughing at the ppl saying its not worth the effort to add

[round bay]

Dio might as well be bro

[inner surge]

ig

[bold gale]

I KNOW Bro it took me like 20 seconds for each

[round bay]

If they made dio a vanguard rn would anyone bat an eye

[bold gale]

to get the right tone and scale it

[young sand]

pucci quest vanguard with 2 evos goes wild

[timid spruce]

Nidhogg could MAYBE

[inner surge]

i just think b2b2b vanguard

[chrome grove]

no

[inner surge]

wouldn’t be good

[young sand]

but they are NOT doing that shit

[dreamy turtle]

"would take too long to add" my ass dawg vanguards already do it, and we already use vf color for unit frame
i doubt it would be hard to impliment

[inner surge]

man who the fuck is that

[timid spruce]

my glorious king Nidhogg

[dreamy turtle]

but im not a dev so idk could be wrong

[lament zinc]

diavolo was the only passive of his i even found interesting (except that 300s active cd, that wasnt tuff) and i dont even know if he was the balancer for him

[timid spruce]

arguably sjw’s strongest shadow

[coarse frigate]

i imagine its a bug rn that it only works in the lobby?

[timid spruce]

later in the ln for Ragnarok

[bold gale]

it would look sick tho bro cause i like the gradients more then the actual vanguards

[round bay]

Isnt vf borders not appearing in match just a fuckin bug

[bold gale]

tengens border and gradient is so fricking nice

[dreamy turtle]

ye

[green wolf]

What happened to the name of this suggestion

[inner surge]

brah

[young sand]

i read the manwha and who tf is that

i only remember bellion

[bold gale]

tengen and gojos

[young sand]

and the others

[bold gale]

looks so clean

[timid spruce]

it’s the ragnarok ln

not the sl manwha

[young sand]

oh

LOL

[timid spruce]

my bad I don’t know why I put manwha

[round bay]

Is this some ragnarok ln bs brah

[coarse frigate]

good good, i think the frames look great but i cant appreciate them much if im not in the lobby which is the majority of hte time LOL

[timid spruce]

😭

[timid spruce]

yeah

[bold gale]

it also helps for pvp

[dreamy turtle]

are you telling me you dont just sit in lobby appreciating your units? smh mh

[inner surge]

search bar is free bro

[robust fox]

Isn’t his strongest shadow bellion

Or the other mf next to Igris

[bold gale]

can't tell if they have familiar or not

so it's a throwiok

[timid spruce]

that’s in the manwha

[young sand]

fuck bro i forgot to ask why the tradeable filter isnt a thing already

[robust fox]

There’s Igris and the other knight guy

[inner surge]

oh fairs lol

[young sand]

its so annoying

[coarse frigate]

sometimes, i do like my collection and i go through it just seeing all the updates

[robust fox]

Oh ok

[round bay]

Surely theyll start appearing in stage after ts upd...

[inner surge]

i mean why are u banning vc units in the first place

besides valentine

[lethal furnace]

speaking of igris, WE wouldn’t mind if he got a vf…

[inner surge]

no point banning the others

[timid spruce]

I think it’s close between Nidhogg and Beru in the ln, beru destroys an Itarim iirc

[chrome grove]

no, give it to vsjw

[robust fox]

Yeah bc I read somewhere that maxed out Igris from end of series/ragnarok is stronger than most if not all other monarchs and characters like the angels

[chrome grove]

ur genuinely stupid asking for igris vf

[dreamy turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[chrome grove]

im sorry

[round bay]

Maybe ill catch up on ts at some point

[bold gale]

I ban my opponents monarchs most the time and they ragequit

[lethal furnace]

idk i just want one of my monarchs usable

😢

[coarse frigate]

i genuinely think Igris or Saber should get a VF soon, Igris has been in the game since the very beginning and it would be very nice to see him become relevant again, Saber was also just an absolute powerhouse for such a long time

[round bay]

10/10 pvp experience

[timid spruce]

but nidhogg is the embodiment of all the dead monarchs and is how new monarchs are formed

[robust fox]

It’s Igris, the guy above him which is bellion or some shit, then the Ork mage mf, then beru then the rest

[timid spruce]

So

[robust fox]

If I remember correctly

[round bay]

Igris is not happening yo

Vsjw is all igris is ever getting 💔

[chrome grove]

cha-in should get a VF

[young sand]

ork mage and beru is not stronger

[dreamy turtle]

igris vf is just unnessecary and evil for those who sacd theirs

[inner surge]

pvp is so boring bro evb i play against brings farms

[timid spruce]

Igris & Bellion & Beru in the LN are cracked

[robust fox]

Nah the guy above Igris and Igris are the two strongest shadows

Then it’s ork and beru I’m pretty sure

[coarse frigate]

Saber would be ideal though personally, Think she deserves it the most

[chrome grove]

been waiting for cha-in VF since day 1

[robust fox]

Double evo

[lethal furnace]

not like hes THAT hard to get nowadays

[young sand]

for a vf?

[robust fox]

Igris vf saber double evo

[young sand]

nahh

[lethal furnace]

especially when escanor easily solos igris BR

[tropic cedar]

No way this still going mannnnn

[robust fox]

SHOULDVE GOTTEN ANOTHER ONE LIKE I DID

[young sand]

i didnt watch fate and

[coarse frigate]

VF doesn't stop them from getting a double evo, that would take abit of time for them to do that, id say just a VF for now

[robust fox]

PUSH THE IGRIS AND YAMAMOTO AGENDA

[young sand]

i'd def appreciate a saber vanguard

[chrome grove]

valk was here a minute ago which is why this was active

[young sand]

100x more than a db vanguard for sure

[coarse frigate]

true

[dense viper]

Use Ur brain a lil

[round bay]

Its okay asmr man valk left this is just general chat now

[lethal furnace]

i live for valk slander and the return of andre balancing

[sterile zenith]

In lieu of a stage, this is the Valk QnA thread

[chrome grove]

indeed

[coarse frigate]

at this point it might as well be LOL

[young sand]

we dont even need a dev stage

rn

he should

sneak

[tropic cedar]

Nah we do

[young sand]

that shit already

[tropic cedar]

There's bigger matters

[timid spruce]

think Beru is stronger though later on atleast

[tropic cedar]

That need to be discussed

[timid spruce]

but when nidhogg is made into a shadow he’s stronger iirc

[inner surge]

son what

[lethal furnace]

better than so many other devs that would just ghost their community completely…

[chrome grove]

first hour of the stage:
"one piece upd?"

[tropic cedar]

Chill lol

[sterile zenith]

Yeah, like where our randomized tourney brackets are

[inner surge]

it’s probably going to be no ccs again

i hope it’s no ccs

[young sand]

im doing everything for that cutscene sneak

ngl

[inner surge]

they’re always useless

[bold gale]

Need ts

[coarse frigate]

pretty sure Beru is the strongest for AWHILE until nidhogg

[timid spruce]

someone ask for a CSM update

[tropic cedar]

Nah real talk there's an important problem I want to talk abt

[bold gale]

I got 19 monarchs for no reason

[young sand]

na

h

ab always provides us

[timid spruce]

does he clear nidhogg too

[inner surge]

can av just drop nag bro nobody cares abt this guy anymore

[young sand]

with the best questions possible

[timid spruce]

he might

[tropic cedar]

BOIIII RESONANTNETHER

[inner surge]

he’s just stupid

[young sand]

he always cooks up

[inner surge]

he’s not good at the game

[young sand]

and noah

[sterile zenith]

Is it the problem of limited units

[young sand]

and noahbamboh

[inner surge]

complains abt everything

[sterile zenith]

[tropic cedar]

Wowwww this is betrayal Mr snoobert

[timid spruce]

Andre coming back to SAVE av

[lethal furnace]

TRUE

[young sand]

1 week after every update ab makes a video about

[dense viper]

Make alucard get a Vanguard double evo

[young sand]

when the next upd is coming

then he says shit like

[tropic cedar]

I saw ayaanic skull and had to unskull

[inner surge]

20% DMG -10% SPA SAVE ME

[timid spruce]

he makes 25 of those

[young sand]

''its prob next week or the next 2 weeks

hell even maybe 3 weeks

but its coming guys

[inner surge]

heh… my spiritual pressure is just too strong…

[young sand]

dw

[dense viper]

Or a month

[young sand]

they have released tung tung tung sahur sneak so upd might be near guys

[bold gale]

He has a reason tho

[junior hull]

https://tenor.com/view/giratina-distortion-world-mt-coronet-pokemon-gif-7395980

[young sand]

expect a trailer drop in the next 3 months

[dense viper]

Iswr if that shit is act an upd

We dropping AV

Lwk

[dreamy turtle]

its still crazy to me how many tiktoks i saw treating that as a genuine unit sneak

[inner surge]

who’s we?

[inner surge]

the big T will save av.

[maiden spade]

did benny get banned

[inner surge]

son who the fuck is benny

[maiden spade]

you gotta know to know

[young sand]

they should do another kahoot

ngl

i missed it bc i was afk

[sterile zenith]

I’d win

[young sand]

the questions were lowk so easy i think i wouldve came top 10

except the rigged dice one

cuz i didnt know it at that time

[chrome grove]

anyway what i got from this valk q&a is that this fall update is chainsaw man oriented

i cant prove it yet

[inner surge]

son

[young sand]

where tf did u got that

from

also

they not wasting peak for a seasonal update

[chrome grove]

for a vanguard yes they are

[sterile zenith]

No it’s very clearly JJK part 2

Sukuna double evo finally

[chrome grove]

pfff

next year maybe

[bold gale]

cosmic garou w all elements soon

[sterile zenith]

Hey that’s in a month and a half

So 2 updates from now

[chrome grove]

🔥

[young sand]

u mean

1

[bold gale]

I mean hey unit overviews are back 🙏🙏🙏🙏

so w erza

[young sand]

yes erza

why dont u change that title

already

:)

[bold gale]

I mean unit overviews are back cause of me

[robust fox]

Nah I’m 90% sure it always stays like that in ranking

[green wolf]

Do you have like a doc or something i forgot ab it

[chrome grove]

to what

[chrome grove]

wym

[robust fox]

Igris will always be 2nd, bellion will always be first and beru third

[green wolf]

wrong response mb

[young sand]

he came back in the chat cuz of me

👀

[robust fox]

And everyone else will alternate

[chrome grove]

if u mean if i made a doc for chainsaw man nah that was owoflex

[inner surge]

10.0 CSM PUSH THE AGENDA

[young sand]

scrap the seasonal updates and make 9.5 entirely chainsawman

[robust fox]

Ew

Add jojo part 3

[chrome grove]

son i already say to stop with bullshit seasonal updates

[robust fox]

Crusade time fr

[coarse frigate]

my monarch sukuna is feasting

[chrome grove]

thing is

thats not changing lmao

[inner surge]

no fuck that

[robust fox]

Never disrespect peak

[inner surge]

KARS SPRING VANGUARDDDDDD

[chrome grove]

we already have dio...

[bold gale]

Already eating btw

[robust fox]

I PUSH THIS AGENDA

[young sand]

i havent seen 1 person who gives af about fall or spring

[bold gale]

he's like done his meal

[inner surge]

if ur favourite jojos part is 3 you’re lying

[young sand]

ngl

[bold gale]

atp

[robust fox]

But we don’t have goatjaro

[young sand]

WHO TF

[bold gale]

js has a few sides left

[chrome grove]

jotaro is a mid protagonist

[robust fox]

It’s between 3 and 7

[young sand]

jotaro is like

[coarse frigate]

true to be fair, his vanguard familiar is so absurdly strong i use him often

[robust fox]

And I prefer 3 Ngl

[young sand]

top 3 worst

[inner surge]

p4 p5 clear

[young sand]

jojos

[inner surge]

easily

[bold gale]

next VG evo is ichigo

[inner surge]

i have some ideas for an ichigo one

[coarse frigate]

I just now started watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure for the first time i cant comment on my favorite part yet LOL

[robust fox]

Not necessarily because he’s good in part 3 but what his character represents and how he is as a person

[bold gale]

Sukuna gets his turn later

[young sand]

joseph johnny and jolyne clears everyone

and josuke

[inner surge]

firstly give him curse spark and blast element

[robust fox]

It’s really tragic and I like part 3 a lot because of it

[bold gale]

lmk I'm actually curious

[inner surge]

make the horn of salvation buff permanent

[coarse frigate]

im on Part 2 so i guess rn Joseph Joestar?

[bold gale]

tengen sukuna upscale

[inner surge]

you know it

[young sand]

it only gets better

[robust fox]

But we all agree the worst part is easily part 1 even tho it’s one of my favorites

[inner surge]

also makes him count for any element category

[bold gale]

sasuke abt too buff spark by 30% too

[bold gale]

ts lwk works

[peak mural]

The management on that game is awful, they gave a release date, then two weeks later they said the game had been suffering internally for months and it’s too buggy to release like ???

[bold gale]

like deadass

[inner surge]

which means wl weathers and broly domain

[bold gale]

it works

jack of all trades ichigo

[coarse frigate]

A good thing cause im already really enjoying Part 2, its surprisingly funny as hell 💀

[robust fox]

In terms of narrative and story telling part 1 is objectively the worst even tho it’s one of my favorites

[bold gale]

his aoes are just so fucking buns

[young sand]

hes the funniest jojo by far imo

[inner surge]

bro

the ending

[bold gale]

and w horn doesn't he have 100k DPS?

[inner surge]

is so fucking stupid

[peak mural]

I loved part 1, the pluck sword is so beautiful and artistic ❤️

[inner surge]

they made the most overpowered villain

[coarse frigate]

not there yet so

[inner surge]

and have him the most asspullnloss

that’s all ima say

[peak mural]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojo-bizzare-adventure-luck-and-pluck-luck-gif-26364258

[young sand]

but its joseph

so its justified

👍

[robust fox]

Oh it’s great just compared to all other ones it’s just the worse one which makes sense because it’s his first part

[coarse frigate]

this is why i read part 1 and im watching part 2 LOL

[robust fox]

Nothing bad in pointing this out it’s one of my faves

[bold gale]

@timid spruce ichigo familiar make it.

[inner surge]

solos anyb with used floss and a mars bar

[coarse frigate]

i think part 1 is alot better as a read then a watch personalyl

[young sand]

isnt part 1 manga like hella long

i never read it

[robust fox]

Part 3 is really the part that shapes the rest of the series until part 7

So pay attention to that

[coarse frigate]

its like 44 or 46 chapters? they arent even long so it didnt take long

[inner surge]

this was my idea for ichigo

[narrow verge]

Valk revived ts so bad

[coarse frigate]

oh im very excited for when i get too it, i have 5 more episodes till Part 2 ends and then im onto Part 3

[inner surge]

no dmg buff at all

[robust fox]

If you want to understand it better try watching the dollar trilogy as it takes heavy inspiration from those old westerns

And you’ll understand jotaro as a character more

[chrome grove]

why are you giving him 4 elements wtf

[inner surge]

son

[peak mural]

It’s worth it, when you stop to analyze each character you realize how well written and beautiful their ideals are ❤️

[inner surge]

have y watched bleach

[green wolf]

bffr man

[young sand]

hes a human

[inner surge]

he’s part shinigami part quincy part hollow part human 😭😭😭

[coarse frigate]

I will do that then crazy to me it gets better even just after im really enjoying part 2 LOL

[young sand]

no hes a soul reaper

no hes actually a quincy too

[inner surge]

spark quincy blast human curse hollow

[robust fox]

Yeah it’s great

[young sand]

and hollow

[peak mural]

He is goated

[timid spruce]

I know like nothing about bleach

[coarse frigate]

dont think its worth skipping them as i heard some people do to just get to part 3

[bold gale]

ts lwk busted

[young sand]

hes pretty bland

if you ask me

compared to like

johnny

[inner surge]

he’s doing around 60k dps in his reg aoe but the follow up on strongest is good asf

that’s why i didn’t give him any base dmg buff

ichigo is always spamming shit in general

i feel like follow-ups work for him

[bold gale]

give him range buff

son.

[coarse frigate]

that sounds busted but i like it

[inner surge]

his range is fine ngl

[bold gale]

i want more range

[green wolf]

remember the damage doesn't get increased

[inner surge]

i was gonna make the closest to base attack the line aoe one but

idk how that would work

[robust fox]

I think he gets the second most character development in all of jjba apart from Johnny and gyro ngl to you

[inner surge]

animation wise

so i decided to just do attack 4

[robust fox]

If you actually understand his character and everything he’s been through and has had to do

[inner surge]

he’s bland in the context of p3

but the fact that he’s around for so long

he gets time to develop

[young sand]

i was talkin bout p3

[inner surge]

oh yeah

[young sand]

u forgot jolyne

but ye

[inner surge]

p3 he’s just an edgy teen who’s somehow insanely smart

[green wolf]

He's not bland in p3, you guys just don't catch on

[robust fox]

She’s n3

[inner surge]

wow he cares about his mother crazy man

[green wolf]

I'm tired of p3 Jotaro slander

[inner surge]

who would’ve expected

[young sand]

i think pre part 7 jojos araki hasnt really managed to do character developments that well

[inner surge]

he’s not a bad character just not a deep one

nothing wrong with that

[coarse frigate]

at least i know what to expect going into part 3 at least LOL

[inner surge]

he gets more depth later on

[chrome grove]

jojo is overrated

[inner surge]

as he progresses more

[green wolf]

much more but sure man whatever u say

[robust fox]

Part 3/4/5/6 jotaro easily disproves this

[inner surge]

L bait

[robust fox]

Jolene as well

[chrome grove]

not bait

[young sand]

jolyne and pucci carries their part

[green wolf]

giorno
josuke

[young sand]

im biased on jolyne

[green wolf]

literally every mc is a great example of development before p7

what are you on about

[robust fox]

Compared to jotaro and Jolene they barely get any character development

[young sand]

giorno and character development

?

in the same sentence

[green wolf]

Did you read with your eyes closed

[robust fox]

Of course they do but I feel like side characters in their respective parts get more than they do

[young sand]

hes the same person as he was day 1

[robust fox]

For example Rohan and kochi in part 4

[peak mural]

Giorno’s development is literally un existent, I’m glad to see people realizing this 😭

[young sand]

same philosophy

[digital oar]

holy ragebait

[young sand]

hes just had bad things

throughout the story

and thats it

[digital oar]

still hoping for people to say part 3 is overrated

[green wolf]

man

[chrome grove]

its the truth

[green wolf]

ykw i'm not even gonna push it

[young sand]

not even mentioning the whole part 5 takes place in like a a week

[chrome grove]

GIORNO IS THE MOST BORING PROTAGONIST IN JOJO OH MY GOD

[young sand]

so idk how do you expect a huge character development from him

[chrome grove]

BULLSHIT STAND

[digital oar]

part 3 jotaro is more boring

[peak mural]

Part 3 doesn’t get hyped as much as parts like 7/8 but those are justified, part 3 is just really fun to watch

[young sand]

he is not boring

[chrome grove]

false

[young sand]

like aync above said

[chrome grove]

hes boring, but thats false

[young sand]

just not a character where you look for deep philosophy

in part 3

[robust fox]

False

[peak mural]

JoJo before part 7 isn’t really much about writing (aside from part 1) it’s much more about fun, that’s why people like it so much

[robust fox]

If you have any understand above “he loves his mom” and if you understand what part 3 is inspired from you’ll easily see that he has insane development

[digital oar]

iggy is more interesting than jotaro

[peak mural]

Jotaro is probably the only exception

[robust fox]

His is simply extended past part 3 so it takes longer to flesh out and see

However even in part 3 you see a massive change from beginning to end

[green wolf]

by this logic i could call kurapika a bland sc because all he wants to do is kill the phantom troupe
jotaro isn't a bland mc because "he loves his mom"

[green wolf]

WORD

[digital oar]

kurapika? the blonde girl from hxh?

[young sand]

i'd call that pushing

[peak mural]

Joseph, Josuke, Giorno and maybe Jolyne aren’t strongly written characters

[green wolf]

actually js su bro 😭

[green wolf]

yo you people aren't real

[peak mural]

They aren’t strongly written in any way 😭

[digital oar]

joseph slander

[robust fox]

The easiest way to explain this is that jotaro has literally never killed anyone in part 3 apart from dio.

[peak mural]

Joseph is the same idiot from part 2

😭

[young sand]

joseph and jolyne is also

pushing it

[digital oar]

yea lol

[robust fox]

Jolyne isn’t strongly written in the beginning

[green wolf]

??? 😭

[robust fox]

Josuke gets little but deep development

[peak mural]

Jolyne doesn’t get much development in part 6, she feels rushed

[robust fox]

Giorno just eh

[young sand]

maybe dont watch the netflix anime next time

[digital oar]

giorno is boring

[young sand]

cuz it

[green wolf]

You guys fail to realise that development =/= changing your entire outlook on everything in your life

[young sand]

fucking sucks

[peak mural]

“Don’t watch the anime next time”

[robust fox]

And jolyne does get extensive development it’s just overshadowed by jotaro and his final arc

Which makes sense

But to anyone with eyes it’s there

[digital oar]

nah bro, giorno is boring

[young sand]

idk whatre you tryna ddefend rn

[peak mural]

No, she simply isn’t a strongly written character. Anyone with deep level understanding would tell you Jolyne isn’t same goes for Joseph

[young sand]

nobody is against the point that p6 jotaro

[peak mural]

Even more josuke and giorno

[young sand]

has character devlopment

[green wolf]

Lay off the netflix jojo's continuity man 😭

[robust fox]

Jolyne is way deeper than Joseph josuke and giorno

Not even fair to put her there tbh

Makes more sense to put Jonathan there if anything but even he’s written better

[digital oar]

Jhonatan my goat

🐐

[robust fox]

Real he should’ve killed dio tho ngl

Mf kinda sold

[green wolf]

Same mfs preaching about character development btw

[robust fox]

Nah I understand his character I’m just saying

Same thing I’d say about jotaro and part 6

[green wolf]

If you genuinely think that you didn't read/watch the story

[robust fox]

Should’ve killed pucci even tho o understand why he did it

[robust fox]

I obviously read it twin it’s fine to disagree with actions taken in a story but still understand why they were/weren’t taken

[digital oar]

@young sand bro fuck you

[green wolf]

Character Development =/= Changing everything about a character
Character development (in short) is finding out what a character does, and WHY they do it, and how it affects their actions

[peak mural]

She has been disliked since before the anime came out, her only deep connections and topics are related to friends and family and those barely get a good development because of how fast the events in part 6 are

[green wolf]

Giorno is characterized by his rough upbringing with his father, and the great impression the crime boss guy he met earlier in his life met on him

[young sand]

no?

[peak mural]

Yes?

[green wolf]

Name a badly written characteristic of Jolyene

[peak mural]

Name me a good one

Imma run all them fallacies boy

[green wolf]

You just answered me with a fallacy?

Asking a question in response to a question is a fallacy

😭

[tawdry sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/red-aura-shanks-gif-15239642149115408408

[peak mural]

That’s literally what I said 😭

[young sand]

you know the argument has gone into a shit dumpster when people tell you to name examples

[patent salmon]

Are events getting restocked later today?

[green wolf]

You can't just say "X is shit because i said so" and not have any evidence

[peak mural]

Your arguments are reacting with “💀” and telling people they aren’t real

😭😭

[patent salmon]

I jus want my valentine familar 🥺

[green wolf]

Cherrypicking too

[chrome grove]

i hate u roblox

[peak mural]

You also cherry-picked?

😭

It’s insane how hypocritical people are 😭

[young sand]

you do need to realize that your term of character development is not purely objective the same way mine isnt either

[green wolf]

I said you answered me with a fallacy? What about that is cherrypicking

[digital oar]

ok unc

[peak mural]

I literally told you I was answering with a fallacy

You pointed out something I said

[chrome grove]

IM NOT EVEN 18 YET

[peak mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334073775813296220/1431811806380163152/togif.gif

[digital oar]

you old as hell unc

[green wolf]

??? 😭 check the definition of character development

[chrome grove]

when was 17 old as hell

[green wolf]

Is that meant to make your response valid? I don't get it

[chrome grove]

frick u

[green wolf]

1 year b4 you gotta get a JOB 😭

Sorry unc

[peak mural]

No, I literally just said I was going to do it

[young sand]

even considering your term is the only rightful term, how has giorno from ep1 to the last episode change any bit character development wise?

you are mentioning things from timeline

that happened before ep1

[green wolf]

Bro

[left turtle]

holy fucking uncle

[green wolf]

let me type this out

[peak mural]

Are you in the UK? 😭

[chrome grove]

HOW OLD ARE YOU???

[proven root]

how were the dinosaurs like

[left turtle]

15

[chrome grove]

no

U.S

[left turtle]

unc

[chrome grove]

IM NOT AN UNC

[left turtle]

uncle grandpa

[wheat pawn]

sit down nephew

[chrome grove]

im shutting down this thread

[wheat pawn]

dont talk to your elders like that

[peak mural]

Megalosaurus 😭😭😭

[maiden spade]

erza how do you feel on benny being banned

[chrome grove]

NOOO WHY

[maiden spade]

he said bad things to snoobert

[inner surge]

chat is this too op

wait that should be 100% dmg

[bold gale]

ts is too buns bruh

remove that reduce dmg dwag

js make it reduce dmg of other fate category units

ts genuinely js makes her horrendous bro 😭

[eternal schooner]

No it seems pretty balanced

[bold gale]

?!

[eternal schooner]

The only problem might be the stun being annoying

[bold gale]

nobody would use her

[eternal schooner]

Oh wait sokora is useless because of animation lock right

[bold gale]

yes and her js debuffing your allies

is insane

[gaunt iron]

my day 1

[bold gale]

you need 10 units to make her viable

cause she has 50% spa

[eternal schooner]

Oh yea it’s not worth bringing a completely useless unit for that damage😭

[upper ledge]

she'd be so busted without anim locks paired with reimu

[bold gale]

yea

[chrome grove]

yessss i want all my other units to be useless when paired up with her

[inner surge]

shes deadass rocking like 200k dps with this bro

i hope u realise

😭

[inner surge]

thats why i did 50% spa

[bold gale]

while debuffing everyone

[eternal schooner]

you have to run a completely useless unit and you debuff all your other units

[frank sun]

holy unc

👴🏻

its ok i forgive you GB

[frank sun]

i said i forgive you 🥹

[chrome grove]

miso how old are u

[inner surge]

that’s the drawback

want it to be fair

[maiden spade]

67

[eternal schooner]

That’s an insaneDrawback for the dps she is putting out

[inner surge]

i mean imagine it just like yhwach

u bring frieza sakura and she’s like top 1 full aoe dps

ok axfuallg dio is still higher dps in full aoe

but shit range

[eternal schooner]

Her dark saber attack is full aoe?

[inner surge]

highkey i don’t even remember it’s aoe

but u gotta realise she already has full immunity

upwards of 200k dps right here

[eternal schooner]

I think it’s circle or cone

[dreamy turtle]

takes current aoe

[inner surge]

big range

[inner surge]

oh word

[eternal schooner]

Yea its horrible then

[dreamy turtle]

at least i think so
its been a while since i used her

lowkey should be splash
it fits

[inner surge]

should i make the dark excalibur take attack 2

3

[inner surge]

word

[dreamy turtle]

prolly

attack 4 sucks for salter

[inner surge]

it’s so sad man

[dreamy turtle]

you almost always just keep her on attack 3

[inner surge]

starfall sounds so fucking cool

js for it to be ass

😭😭

[dreamy turtle]

under 50% dps increase to go from full aoe to a mid circle🥀

[inner surge]

😭

idk it’s just like

whenever i make concept ones i try to give them unique mechanics

but then u look at like gojos and this guys vf passives are so simple

[bold gale]

icl

sabers would be good

[eternal schooner]

Are her follow ups boosted by dark Excalibur?

[bold gale]

its js like

why would you use her

when curse is already so stacked

200k full aoe dps sure

sukuna and hk do that

[eternal schooner]

It’s not full aoe it’s like a mid circle I think

[proven root]

how about we just delete the saber boss rush update and any trace of it

[bold gale]

the follow up is full aoe

[dreamy turtle]

also salter is genuinely just giga cooked due to animation locking

[bold gale]

yea

[eternal schooner]

Oh I see

[bold gale]

and i hate salter personally

more then 6 hours of manual labor for me not to get the shiny on shiny event

[chrome grove]

we need holy buff so we give cha-in a familiar and saber a vanguard evo trust

[dreamy turtle]

dark excalibur has a like 7 second animation

[bold gale]

cha in familiar in 50 minutes dw

[proven root]

we need a goku vf since water is mid

7 more dbz updates please

[chrome grove]

mui goku vanguard don’t worry

[bold gale]

awter worst element rn by FAR

[inner surge]

yeah ti would be

[inner surge]

CHIHIRO SAVE ME

[bold gale]

no but like lmk

[proven root]

2nd worst might deadass be unknown

[bold gale]

why would we use saber

over sukuna and

hk

whats the reasoning

[dreamy turtle]

you use together
cuz sukuna buffs curse units

[inner surge]

thats kinda why i did the spa increase but even then shes got like overlapping shit going on

[bold gale]

yeah but then you debuff everyone else

[inner surge]

the thing is like

[bold gale]

3 units lo

[inner surge]

i was thinking of doing curse units are immune to her stuns or debuff

but curse already has sm going on for it

it doesnt need more

[bold gale]

i think salter should decrease curse units spa by 30% cause of lore.

and she should give unknown units +100% dmg.

[inner surge]

bra

[bold gale]

cause sokura is unknown

js give salter unknown atp

[inner surge]

i was also trying to make a yama idea but it’s kinda mid

[inner surge]

yeah rs lol

[bold gale]

lms

[inner surge]

sakura unknown makes sense

[proven root]

how about we erase all of the saber boss rush update

and give saber an actual double evo

[bold gale]

i like the map though.

[chrome grove]

i got one as well 😼

[junior hull]

salter vanguard

[bold gale]

lms

[inner surge]

i didn’t even check the dps on this

[chrome grove]

haven’t made it, just have one in my head

[bold gale]

js make him inflict intense burn

[gaunt iron]

blazeimperium my goat

[bold gale]

cause w aizen it makes it every 4 seconds

[inner surge]

LMAO

[dreamy turtle]

the north one is kinda eh
you remove what the abliity even does

[inner surge]

hmmm

[inner surge]

yeah cause fuck that ability

i haven’t used yama much tho ngl

i think i evoed him and dipped

[bold gale]

whos ryale

royale

[inner surge]

ag dev

left cause of a lot of shit going on

[bold gale]

no cause then yama builds up a mini nuke ontop of a mini nuke

[dreamy turtle]

its nice for bosses
you can setup the summons at the back to shred bosses and general leaks

[bold gale]

LOL

[inner surge]

fair

and u keep buff ig

[bold gale]

and north is a bit op

[dreamy turtle]

it genuinely just makes north not worth using

[bold gale]

i cant wait

45 minutes

[gaunt iron]

insert picture of old guy blowing book

[bold gale]

till pvp shop reset

[inner surge]

oh yeah

good thing i don’t have shit to roll on

[junior hull]

Yama was goated

[bold gale]

and i get gilga familiar

[junior hull]

I miss him

[bold gale]

and obito familiar tmrw night

[inner surge]

Why is he lying?

[bold gale]

i think

[junior hull]

how am I lying

[bold gale]

yama should do intense burn + scorched instead of normal burn

as a familiar passive

insteda of him doinng 15% burn

[hallow vale]

When?

[junior hull]

When he released

[inner surge]

him doing like no burn is so fucking funny to me

[bold gale]

how would intense even work w full aoe

[inner surge]

give him 100% burn man

[hallow vale]

😂😂😂

[timid spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291141058650046547/1431376159014387712/togif-1.gif

[inner surge]

?

[timid spruce]

stupid design

[inner surge]

the exact same as it normally does gng

[hallow vale]

Yama was never goated or good at anything

[bold gale]

2 secs

lemme read abt it

[junior hull]

Lying btw

[inner surge]

no gng

[hallow vale]

Dude released the same update as aizen and yhwach, he ain’t get no screen time

[dreamy turtle]

better question, how would it even work on a unit that isnt choy
i havent seen how cat's version of it works

[inner surge]

lowkey an idea i had for ichigo vf is if he gets a kill with hos it regens the lost stock

[dreamy turtle]

like everything that makes intense burn special is a choy passive, no tthe burn itself

[junior hull]

wtf no

[dreamy turtle]

regaining lost stock is something that should never be a thing

[inner surge]

no

he regains the stock that he sacrificed himself

[eternal schooner]

yea thats busted

[bold gale]

yeah maybe js make the follow up apply scorched + intense burn

[inner surge]

but as he said

intense burn doesn’t do the choi thing p sure

it’s just a device that choi uses for his passive

[dreamy turtle]

it might, i have no idea how it works when cat applies it

[inner surge]

yeah

i think the main idea was if they made it reg burn it would be way too busted

[dreamy turtle]

also just making you run another bleach unit kinda kills the viablity of the yama vf

[bold gale]

choy makes intense viable

[bold gale]

ichigo vg fm 👀

[inner surge]

yeah i’m assuming a yama vf would come with a whole bleach upd

[bold gale]

what are the wiki doing

[dreamy turtle]

2 vfs that would need to be viable at the same time or else one of them is significantly worse

[bold gale]

choy is not meta dps dawg

[inner surge]

meta dps in zimbabwe

i mean ngl like

what’s so bad abt ichigo regenning the stock (only if it’s lost from his ability

[bold gale]

ok make yamamoto apply purgatory flames and the follow uip intense flames while he has 30% burn himself

[dreamy turtle]

purg flames aint doing shit

[inner surge]

bro u gotta realise

making yama do intense

would make choi so fucking op

[dreamy turtle]

also purg flames with intense burn is a lil silly
purg flames doesnt buff intense burn

[inner surge]

if u ran a deadeye one

[inner surge]

brah

[dreamy turtle]

oh wtf

[bold gale]

w choy upscale

[inner surge]

upscale of a unit that left like 6 updates ago is tuff

[bold gale]

yes

[dreamy turtle]

thats so weird that intense burn is like the only special burn purg flames buffs

[bold gale]

why doesnt intense effect black flames

[dreamy turtle]

and making said unit op as fuck

[inner surge]

anyways yeah i mostly made these cause i was bored as fuck i don’t really think they’re super balanced or nun

ain’t shit in av rn

[bold gale]

word

[inner surge]

literally like required for anything

[dreamy turtle]

thats not even right

cat doesnt do 80%

[inner surge]

lol

[dreamy turtle]

cat is 30 over 8 seconds

[junior hull]

I forgot cat even does black flame

[inner surge]

yeah wait that’s so stupid

black flame isn’t

set to 80%

😭😭

[bold gale]

w devs

[inner surge]

only hiei doing 89%

[dreamy turtle]

yea all of cat's dot is just 30% over 8 seconds

[inner surge]

gg

[bold gale]

kaguya does frostburn?????

[inner surge]

cat was such a shit addition

[junior hull]

yes

[dreamy turtle]

fire -> ice domain

[inner surge]

rng warrior of doom

[bold gale]

fucking wiki doesnt know what frostburn does LOL

[inner surge]

?

says right there gang

[junior hull]

what

they’re right

?

[dreamy turtle]

yea whats wrong with the wiki desc

[bold gale]

oh

i was tripping

cause no percentage

oopsie

[inner surge]

son

[bold gale]

isnt this frostburn

why not just have htis

[dreamy turtle]

i dont think frostburn itself even freezes

[bold gale]

ya

karem needed emelia

for alright dps

or ragna

[dreamy turtle]

what

karem needed burn units

not freeze

[bold gale]

wait what

💀

yeah im tripping rn

mb

was there rlly any good fire characters

during 3.0

[dreamy turtle]

no

[bold gale]

jogo ig

was kinda good

[dreamy turtle]

also if there was karem makes them way worse

[junior hull]

no

[dreamy turtle]

karem deletes the burn dmg to apply his own
it sucks

[bold gale]

w karem

[junior hull]

Yama was one of the only good burn units

[bold gale]

update 4

wait

[patent salmon]

add a 2x cake event

[bold gale]

does karem work on other people??

might be a w grief

[junior hull]

it should

[dreamy turtle]

yama lowk did have synergy with karem
too bad karem sucked tho

[bold gale]

yama was so cool

he was like alucard

but cooler

summons 2 full aoes

dot

[dreamy turtle]

btw who wants to go to a priv and check events

[junior hull]

LOL

[maiden spade]

is this real

[dreamy turtle]

yuh
go farm

[junior hull]

well G money just confirmed it

[maiden spade]

more vfs yay

[dreamy turtle]

30 minutes to do 25 stages and you get the fam a day early

[maiden spade]

WAIT U RIGHT

[dreamy turtle]

cuz for some reason we dropped it 30 minutes early

[proven root]

wait I gotta go get tomatrio in pvb first

[maiden spade]

i need to evo sasuke tho

[inner surge]

son

[maiden spade]

😬

[dreamy turtle]

cooked

[inner surge]

this sint fucking real bro

😭

[maiden spade]

its over..

[proven root]

I dont even have sasuke

[inner surge]

i evoed him like ages ago

[junior hull]

whats his aoe

[maiden spade]

ehh nvm

[junior hull]

circle right

[dreamy turtle]

circles

[proven root]

and I used my selector 12 hours ago

[inner surge]

bro open events tab

😭

im still wondering tho

[gaunt iron]

when you joining tony empire🥶 we got thien here and i keep him safe here

[inner surge]

will both anruto and sasukek get a double evo

[sterile zenith]

shiiiiit I gotta go evo a sasuke now?

[maiden spade]

idk if i would even grind for this

no way hes good

[inner surge]

no gng

[junior hull]

he stuns for 15 secs now

[sterile zenith]

I mean, I'm down to

[dreamy turtle]

good news is theres no rush rn

[sterile zenith]

Now that I don't know what vfs do

They're actually interesting

[proven root]

holy clutch

[junior hull]

become tester again

[proven root]

I got him off banner

[junior hull]

and leak them to me only

[coarse frigate]

wait what??

[sterile zenith]

^^

[proven root]

the vf is real btw