Justice for ssj4 and diavolo

[wintry magnet]

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[runic bobcat]

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50% slow was better than the entire diavolo's kit

i have no idea why did they say diavolo was broken

[magic gazelle]

They are still very viable they dont need it yet

[runic bobcat]

What kind of gamemode dont tell me, story

[magic gazelle]

Any game mode lol there’s no hard game mode at all diavolo is doing 80k on placement and gogeta is doing 25k on placement

definitely viable for anything

[runic bobcat]

Any? Diavolo and gogeta both of them had only 4 tournament season half a year ago

[magic gazelle]

What?

That doesnt mean anything

[runic bobcat]

Obito even powercrept gogeta on his purpose

And being viable in wl when gogeta hasnt been

[magic gazelle]

Dude your talking about being top meta im talking about them being viable

[runic bobcat]

You said any game mode fym?

[magic gazelle]

Gogeta and diavolo is still usable for damage in any gamemode

[runic bobcat]

Like story? And challenge? Lmao

[magic gazelle]

Viable does not mean top meta bro 😭

Gogeta does 500k dmg diavolo does 300k they are definitely useable for damage in any gamemode

[runic bobcat]

How much do they cost to do that dmg

174 griffiths?

[magic gazelle]

Once again they are USEABLE not top meta

[runic bobcat]

In what fucking gamemode

[magic gazelle]

Any gamemode

[runic bobcat]

Like?

[magic gazelle]

I said any bro

[runic bobcat]

Tf

[magic gazelle]

Yep

300k damage is enough for any gamemode

[runic bobcat]

Ok bro diavolo is not even in sub meta

[lofty iris]

Your guys' definition of usable is certainly wonky

Does usable mean being able to clear act 6 of the most recent story?

[magic gazelle]

Bro HES STILL USEABLE

Useable has nothing to do with tier list meta or sub meta bullshit

[lofty iris]

I dont even think that vanguards deserve buffs but idk how you look at diavolo and say "usable"

Like congratulations he clears all story stages?

[magic gazelle]

is useable to you suppose to mean clear every single stage solo

[runic bobcat]

lmao thats what im saying

[lofty iris]

Provide your definition of usable

[magic gazelle]

Able to be used and can do something to help

[lofty iris]

Because "the unit clears berserk story" is a shit one

[magic gazelle]

Diavolo’s 80k damage on placement is definitely useable

[lofty iris]

Fucking goku black meets that criteria gang

[runic bobcat]

usable mean good in atleast one content but yo diavolo is not even usable support i can tell each usage of them rn but not diavolo

tl for support anyways if someone ask

[magic gazelle]

you get what i mean bro im not eve gonna try anymore

[lofty iris]

Your definition is horrid lets be real

"Able to be used and can do something to help" name 1 unit that doesnt fit that criteria

[magic gazelle]

it doesnt matter you get what i mean

Im not william Shakespeare or sm

[runic bobcat]

idk there is powercreep by his logic units will stay forever in meta

[arctic glen]

familiars are pretty pointless for limited units

gogeta is considered "usable" so with the familiar hes just slightly more "usable"

theyre just gonna slap 50% damage on him and call it a day

[craggy flint]

I heard about a stupid arguement

[lofty iris]

They shouldnt do familiars for limiteds yeah

[runic bobcat]

whats it

[craggy flint]

Yeah so brotatochip

if you think hard enough
most units that arent currently in meta/submeta are usable

[runic bobcat]

well not for limiteds but hey are vanguards they did promise us they will buff them when ever they get off meta and make them usable again

[magic gazelle]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING most non submeta are useable

[craggy flint]

Point is that they suck ass compared to the rest of the units in the game which is why they need buffs/familiars

[arctic glen]

limited units wont be brought up to par, not even to mythics that are released today

so its not worth the effort

[craggy flint]

In the current state of the game we basically have 2 categories
-The units post summer update that have slight powercreeping every update
-The older units before them that doesnt

[arctic glen]

to avoid situations like this they should stop making banner vanguards limited and just make them work like ultras in DBL

[craggy flint]

Reason why most units made before the summer update era have such pointless passives that are really garbage(except for a few exceptions, of course)

[arctic glen]

shouldve been like that from the start but they LOVEEEEE fomo

[runic bobcat]

even this garbage stays in meta but gogeta

im trying to find diavolo in tier to prove him usable wait guys give me 10 years

[kindred shard]

👍

[arctic glen]

like i think thats just better for the game, exclusivity is starting to really get annoying 💔

[magic gazelle]

I guarantee you a returning player with gogeta or diavolo can catch up to this game’s newest content if thats not usable idk bro

[kindred shard]

If the gogeta isn't monarch he can't

[runic bobcat]

even with monarch he can't help you in any content beside story

[kindred shard]

Also the db stages and aot stages are gonna clap g4

[runic bobcat]

baiken quest? aot maps? wl? broly quest? vsjw quest ?

[magic gazelle]

Obviously gogeta or diavolo isnt gonna be your only fucking unit bro 😭😭😭😭

[kindred shard]

Broly is possible I think, doesn't he get a buff from the dungeon?

[arctic glen]

frieza is better for broly quest than gogeta

[runic bobcat]

ye obviously cuz im using gohan instead of gogeta or diavolo

[magic gazelle]

if your definition of usable is to be able to solo everything idk man

[arctic glen]

i mean

[runic bobcat]

did i say usable means good in one content? I DID READ IT

[magic gazelle]

that would make obito unusable cuz he cant solo everything

[arctic glen]

thats what usable should mean

how can a unit be "usable" and not beat content

[magic gazelle]

So usable = top meta?

[kindred shard]

We literally don't get hard stages anymore, so yes a unit should be able to solo everything

[arctic glen]

thats not how the meta works

[magic gazelle]

aight so thats like 99% of units

99% of units are unusable because they cant beat everything solo

[runic bobcat]

aight so thats like 99% of units

[arctic glen]

broly is TOO strong for the game
kaguya is TOO strong for the game

[magic gazelle]

that is true

[arctic glen]

etc etc

kaguya can beat AOT ex by herself

[magic gazelle]

since theres no hard gamemode you wouldnt need top meta units therefore gogeta diavolo can still be used for the harder stages

[runic bobcat]

we would love to see gogeta being usable while doing bounty who even asking for all contents

[arctic glen]

monarch gogeta is the only way to make him usable

[magic gazelle]

goes to most units

[arctic glen]

if you need a game breaking trait to be good then the units not that good

[arctic glen]

any unit in high meta/broken does not need monarch

[runic bobcat]

diavolo was not even better than aligator or killua

[magic gazelle]

Well yes thats because they are top meta

you dont need it to be top meta for it to be usable

[arctic glen]

then whyd you say that goes for most units

[magic gazelle]

No idea just saying things

[arctic glen]

[magic gazelle]

pair gogeta with a cleanse and bleed he soloing almost everything or maybe everything

[runic bobcat]

i can name a unit no meta but still usable anyways

guess who is it

due obito quest ofc

[magic gazelle]

you understood what i meant bro stop trying to mock me your not tough

[runic bobcat]

with ur logic i have no clue how did gojo get his familiar when he was still viable

[arctic glen]

gojo was not at all viable

[magic gazelle]

gojo was literally just not it

we are talking about vanguards not mythics bro

[arctic glen]

he was already falling off before the bleach update dropped

[magic gazelle]

No matter what you paired gojo with bleed or cleanse etc he cant solo most of the hard stages

[runic bobcat]

that guy is proving a unit has been ass since dandandan still viable anyways

[magic gazelle]

With gogeta or diavolo if you pair them with support you can beat everything or almost everything

[kindred shard]

Why would you even do that, the new banner mythics are just straight up better

[magic gazelle]

Thats not the point the point is that they are still usable bro

[knotty cave]

ssj4 robbed us

[magic gazelle]

^

[kindred shard]

Luckily tho, imagine we got a trash g4 familiar

[knotty cave]

cuz diavolo was supposed to be only for his cosmetic

like a collection unit

[knotty cave]

well thats realistic since they gave a trash familiar to gilgamesh aswell

since his release back when the old dev team was around

in this time yh but back then devs wanted vanguards to be exclusive and not intrusive to the meta

[runic bobcat]

We dont care they get trash or not we want them to be atleast viable

[lapis ether]

you can and what the old devs had on mind
they weren't supposed to be good just for collection

[runic bobcat]

Broken? Just disbale them from competitive contents

[knotty cave]

guess why ?

[knotty cave]

who even plays comp

ssj4 lacks utility

for dps hes ok

he js lacks utility like immunity and allat

[runic bobcat]

For 174k for mid dps mid aoe ok bro no immunity

[knotty cave]

sukuna victim

well sukuna still obtainable so fuck sjj4 ig

they did my gilgamesh dirty

[kindred shard]

Deserved

[knotty cave]

nah

[kindred shard]

Whenever you see someone hating on g4 they don't got him

[knotty cave]

yh i got eyes and a wiki

plus a brain

do u have diavolo ?

[arctic glen]

tbh i dont really care if gogeta gets a familiar or not

[knotty cave]

in this meta utility is all

sjw still upper meta after half an year

kaguya still higher than escanor cuz of her domains

broly is broken for his domain

cool cool but how do u buff a unit with nothing other than dps ?

[runic bobcat]

Idk vsjw is usbale either

Beside inf

[knotty cave]

yh another problem hes unob

[knotty cave]

vsjw goated for early defense

[arctic glen]

they dont rework units and they definitely wont rework a limited unit

[knotty cave]

and what does trading fixes ?

[runic bobcat]

Sukuna

[knotty cave]

vsjw better cuz immunity

[runic bobcat]

All the familiar units have better early def than vsjw rn

[knotty cave]

and what if nobody wants to trade ssj4 ?

[knotty cave]

is it not true tho ?

nah nty im a meta slave

[kindred shard]

Just give gogeta immunity to all status effects. ( he literally cleared the negative energy of earth)
Buff his damage and good amount and give him a dragon fist nuke

[knotty cave]

that will js bump him to number 1

[kindred shard]

Lore accurate

[arctic glen]

no he would still be a worse kaguya

[knotty cave]

meta slave=no intention to collect units

js give him utility

debuffs enemies,follow ups,immunity allat

sick

[runic bobcat]

I have all unit except lb

Tried all of them

[knotty cave]

super cool i got my final driving exam in 2 weeks

[runic bobcat]

I somehow passed my driving exam when i learned it for a week

[knotty cave]

theoretical or practical ?

[runic bobcat]

Both

[knotty cave]

u driving manuals or autos ?

[kindred shard]

Yes

Nah

[knotty cave]

honestly i dont rlly care bout trading since i got every unit i wanted alr

[kindred shard]

God birbs overrated. A normal one will do just fine

[knotty cave]

got 2 godly birbs

[kindred shard]

Ye

[knotty cave]

aint trading them for some bum i need 1500 rrs to use

20% dmg rng 25% crit rate and like 30% crit dmg

no

hes a bum he burns he deals dmg he deals dmg he burns he deals dmg and has a nuke

yh he was obviously targeted towards noobies

[digital vector]

we got different suggestions but same objective

[knotty cave]

wb him ?

hes top meta supp

no

yh

[lofty iris]

Yeah man the 1.2x damage multiplier that already gatekeeps some of the hardest content in the game doesnt need a buff

If the upd is good av will do well ccu wise

I highkey think most of the players als has gained these past 2 updates are arx lol

Av went down like 10k ccu arx went down like 35k or smth

[jagged siren]

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they had their time in the meta though im not fully against vanguard units getting vanguard familiars

gogeta i get it a lot of ppl have him cuz his banner lasted like 6 months but i do not see a diavolo familiar coming

too little people have him why make a vanguard familiar out of it

[digital vector]

diavolo didnt even have his time in the meta as far as i remember

he was said to be mid/useless since release

[jagged siren]

he did no? as a top support

cuz at that time there barely were any

i forgot

[knotty cave]

u forgot ppl r braindead and saw his dps and not his utility

mf was immune to everything on launch

[digital vector]

#「📊」game-polls ones look fine

[latent bobcat]

fuck gogeta justice for diavolo

[digital vector]

so true

[stone pine]

Diavolo is such a wasted unit

Amazing vfx amazing cosmetic and nobody has him

[cosmic nest]

fuck diavolo

[pine tendon]

since both of them are limited and unob rn i really hope that they wont also get a shit familiar like gilga

[cosmic nest]

lost to a 15 yr old

[open stone]

gogeta is still ok

[fickle kindle]

They promised to keep the vanguards on meta

[rapid forge]

nah thats old news

[unreal current]

they lost fair and square, cope

and rogita is absolutely usable wdym 💀

[unreal current]

which they said they wouldnt do anymore since the introduction of vanguard familiars

[open stone]

true

even diavolo solos 99% of the game

but he needs a buff

rework

anyrhing

[unreal current]

Nah not even that way

Like rogita is actually a meta viable team, his dps is actually pretty high

It helps that dragon ball units have the highest number of specific buffers

[blissful terrace]

Ngl I don’t know why yall bother with these posts

This has been asked for so many times and has gotten so many stars but it’s always turned down

[open stone]

keep on doing

they said huge no to shiny transfer and then after many suggestions they added it

[unreal current]

Different situation, they'll do another limited vf poll eventually, they'll have their shot then

Rushing it will just make them make the vfs be worse

Nah it's been confirmed for a long time

[acoustic nebula]

its been confirmed since release 😭

[acoustic charm]

their time has passed

[stray crag]

buff diavolo for upd 9.0

for sentimental reasons since he got released during the vanguardian famine

and he was also buns asf on release and he’s still mid on buff

[acoustic charm]

theyre not doing that

[cobalt verge]

ssj4 is useable tho

[acoustic charm]

this jst not happening 😭

[runic bobcat]

is it

[kindred shard]

Bump

[prisma brook]

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[kindred shard]

B

[zealous grove]

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[sharp imp]

both are gonna be stil basically unusable

cuz they are a limited unit

waste of time and effort

better of just rerunning them and THEN giving them a vf otherwise it doesnt make sense cuz they are still gonna be mid

[zealous grove]

They ain't getting shit fr

[sharp imp]

they shoudnt after what happened with gilga hes still ass

[zealous grove]

Rerunning is the worst idea especially for gilga

Diavalo*

[sharp imp]

but what else could be done to make them usable again yk

[zealous grove]

Its called they aren't gonna make a unobtainalbe come back to meta 😭

[sharp imp]

what other options are there

[zealous grove]

People like u complaining is why they aren't getting anything now

[sharp imp]

just leaving them alone for trading value?

[zealous grove]

Make them decent enough to be used

Aka what happened to gilg

[sharp imp]

waste of time imo

[zealous grove]

But no everyone wants sukuna lvl

[zealous grove]

That's why they aren't doing it now

[sharp imp]

and thats good yk

im not denying it

[zealous grove]

Idm it either, but like there was no reason not to do it but people cant understand balancing

[sharp imp]

leaving the unit gor the rarity and value is better making vf for it is just wasting effort

[zealous grove]

Exactly a meh familiar which pissed people kff

Off

So now they ain't bothering to deal with them and just wont do those familisrs

[lofty iris]

Obito and tengen are not limited units

Gilgamesh was a mistake and theyre not gonna repeat it, simple as that

Also obito literally won the VF poll 😭 Tengen was 3rd in first one till it bugged out

[dusk adder]

Tbh they did say that they only made gilg “usable” instead of meta so if gogeta rlly got a familiar he would need to be in the dirt

[lofty iris]

Yeah the familiar would be ass and people would cry even more, better to just not deal with that

Let old limited units go, they had their stay.

[dusk adder]

Honestly just remove limited units as a whole imo just give people who played the event limited unit skins

It’s really not? Everyone should get to use a unit, when the unit releases it comes with a limit skin. Then after that period you only get the base, the value just comes from being limited anyways not gameplay

[lofty iris]

Vanguards are even worse in this case lol, theyre even rarer limited units. No reason to buff them and just artificially inflate their value to the moon

[kindred shard]

Vanguards and rare in the same sentence

[lofty iris]

1. its a relative term, vanguards are in fact rarer than almost every other limited believe it or not
2. Diavolo is actually pretty rare yeah

[kindred shard]

Yeah diavolo is because he was around during a dead period.

[dusk adder]

Before pity existed you’d have to get 10 loans and sell your newborn

[kindred shard]

Idk, I got gogeta pretty easily

[dusk adder]

He’s an exception since he was in the game for quite long I have like 7

[kindred shard]

Does diavolo have any value in trading apart from being rare?

[lofty iris]

Yeah because powercreep exists, every unit will get tossed in the dirt eventually. The ones new players cant get dont need to be brought back

[crude trail]

You trolling?

[lofty iris]

"I just want them to be usable" doesnt work because people cried for days abt gil vf being ass

[dusk adder]

If u think abt it diavolo was made by the old dev team who intended vanguards to be “trophy” units then gogeta was the transition so he fell off faster

[kindred shard]

I want to get him vro. Genuine question

[crude trail]

Okay uh bro what else makes him very good for trading apart from having no pity awful grind?

[lofty iris]

💀

[crude trail]

His good cosmetic too

He’s used in lb runs

[kindred shard]

I only want him to complete my collection

[crude trail]

So yeah I wish yall could use ur brain n stop asking dumb questions

[lofty iris]

Literally just go to starboard and look youll find plenty proof

[crude trail]

No way this guy asked what makes diavolo good for trading

[kindred shard]

Who uses him in lb runs lol

[lofty iris]

People were bawling their eyes out about "key of disappointment"

[kindred shard]

You trolling mushy

[dusk adder]

I remember seeing lv12s running around with him I was so pissed lol

[crude trail]

And if I show you proof will you shut up?

[lapis ether]

finally some good news about vf

[kindred shard]

Show me proof of someone this season using diavolo

[crude trail]

Okay dm me

[kindred shard]

Anyways, devs buff gogeta

[lapis ether]

buffing a limited unit
what a great idea

[kindred shard]

Idc about other ppl vro

[crude trail]

ragebait is crazy

[lapis ether]

??

[dusk adder]

Peak mentality they should buff haruka rin too

[kindred shard]

Not ragebait I am being fr

[lapis ether]

i have him
is stupid to buff a limited unit no matter if trading exist or not

[kindred shard]

Yes, this guy gets it.
Be EGOISTS

[lofty iris]

Horrid fucking idea, yeah lets just inflate the value of a unit that became unobtainable half an year ago by orders of magnitudes, how can this go wrong

[lapis ether]

is stupid
peak levels of stupid

bro what

[jagged siren]

???

[lapis ether]

when did i say values

[kindred shard]

1 good birb can get you a Gogeta, Idk why yall are crying so much

[lapis ether]

idgaf about values
the unit is limited and got his time in the meta

he shouldn't have gotten a vf

[lofty iris]

His vf was intentionally made bad and people didnt receive that well lol

[lapis ether]

he did because people are stupid and ask for limited time units buffs

[jagged siren]

all of the arguments supporting this suggestion are "make them meta again because they're rare" and "gilgamesh got one so why shouldn't they get one too"

[dusk adder]

I think buffing is fine but just not meta defining buffs

[lapis ether]

i mean diavolo original purpose was being a collection unit so he is doing great and yea that happends when powercreep exist lol

[crude trail]

why shoud they buff a limited unit?

not just a limited unit a unit that is currently still meta n used for lb runs

[lapis ether]

because people invested their time on it

[dusk adder]

So people can continue to use their favourite characters in newer content

[lapis ether]

the same logic can apply to every unit and is still stupid

[crude trail]

expect he's still meta?

[jagged siren]

and don't forget the ***to make them more valuable ***

??

[dusk adder]

Have you seen the tier list?? Sure he’s still usable rn with the dbz team but he ain’t meta

[lapis ether]

i wonder why
not like he is q old as hell unit

[crude trail]

being used for lb runs still makes him meta 🤡

[lofty iris]

Hes not supposed to be?

What in tarnation gives you the idea that an year old unit should be meta to this day?

[dusk adder]

Yeah he’s not I’m just saying he’s not meta tho?

[kindred shard]

Dokkan battle

[jagged siren]

people when an UPDATE 3.0 unit gets powercrept at update 8.5+ 😭

[kindred shard]

Beast gohan be like:

[crude trail]

okay so why does he need a buff then

[lofty iris]

Calling anything you dont have a rebuttal for ragebait

[jagged siren]

crazy

[crude trail]

are they supposed to just keep buffing vanguards once they're no longer meta?

[lofty iris]

Very smart

[dusk adder]

Bro did you read I’m saying like in the future when he’s too weak to be played in new content a buff would be cool so ppl can use him

[crude trail]

are they supposed to just keep buffing vanguards once they're no longer meta?
are they supposed to just keep buffing vanguards once they're no longer meta?

[jagged siren]

atp just give diego a +1000% dmg vanguard familiar

[crude trail]

this is LITERALLY what ur asing for

[lapis ether]

the old vanguards were meta for a long time bro wdym

[kindred shard]

Nah, Diego is buns

[dusk adder]

I’ve NEVER said they should be buffed to meta I’m saying a small buff to make them playable holy

[lapis ether]

they are still playable

[crude trail]

they are playable still

[lapis ether]

you acting like they are shit for everything

[crude trail]

he can still clear all of the story modes LOOL

[lofty iris]

Yeah a third of the game's lifespan so far, what are we on about

"Make them just usable" they did that with gil, people didnt like that either.

[kindred shard]

Story mode destroyer 🥵

[dusk adder]

Never said they needed to be buffed right now I literally said future

[lofty iris]

He won the poll dumbass 💀

[crude trail]

buff him for what when hes still playable like u say

[lapis ether]

a lot of idiots did

[dusk adder]

You… might need better reading comprehension

[arctic glen]

40k votes

[lapis ether]

i didn't saw a single soul saying that okarun deserve the vf

[lapis ether]

everyone

[crude trail]

so buff a vf unit for them to be playable when they're currently still playable?

[arctic glen]

gilgamesh won the poll

[jagged siren]

im getting second hand embarassment atp

[lofty iris]

Did you fail grade 2 10 times? "Gil won the poll" "everyone wanted ssj4"

[dusk adder]

Ok here’s what I’m trying to get across: buff them to be playable when in the future they are too weak for new content, get it?

[crude trail]

so by that logic buff every single units when they're no longer able to do this so called new content? 😭

[lofty iris]

You heard it here chat 38 > 45, everyone wanted ssj4 to win

[arctic glen]

you’re not using that head of yours

[dusk adder]

Popularity polls or just vanguards since u gotta admit they are special

[lofty iris]

This adds nothing to the conversation? What are you trying to insinuate again?

[arctic glen]

i didn’t say anything about that

[kindred shard]

Bump

[arctic glen]

you said “everyone wanted gogeta” but gilgamesh won that poll

if gogeta won the poll, this thread wouldn’t exist

nobody voted for diavolo

he was

[kindred shard]

So happy to this day that the fate glazers got a trash vf

[crude trail]

you must be really slow if people is going to vote a unit that went unobtainable a year ago, compared to units on the poll that are still obtainable n have a high chance of being really good

[lofty iris]

Why you dodging? Elaborate what youre trying to imply with this.

[arctic glen]

he mattered so little to that poll nobody voted for him

[kindred shard]

Fr, these amies

[lapis ether]

what does that even mean

[arctic glen]

WOAH

[dusk adder]

Lol who cares at the end of the day these are just units, I can live without them being buffed

[arctic glen]

is this not just straight up racism

[lofty iris]

Can't argue for shit so youre just racist, saddest sight of the day

[kindred shard]

American isn't a race ahahhahaha

[arctic glen]

mods lock in!!!!

[kindred shard]

Yall are just calling anything racism

[lapis ether]

suggestion is never thar serious

[arctic glen]

so it would not be racist if i said “says everything about you dumb african”

[dusk adder]

Facts

[crude trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414910583655895124/1422458265005985824/attachment.gif

[lapis ether]

mfs can't even argue without bringing random shit

[arctic glen]

i’m gonna get cooked for this aren’t i

[kindred shard]

I wouldn't see it as racist

[arctic glen]

i’m from america but i am mixed. my father is african

[arctic glen]

i think you’re racist

[kindred shard]

💀

[kindred shard]

You were the one calling africans stupid

[arctic glen]

i didn’t call anyone stupid. it’s called an analogy

[dusk adder]

How did this suggestion devolve this much 💀 🥀

[arctic glen]

stupidity