keep doing exclusive vanguard familiars

[runic sinew]

neither

[umbral bridge]

im not even saying they should make the limited vf sukuna level but just make them good

[runic sinew]

no.

[glad bluff]

meta vfs for non limiteds mid or no vfs for old limiteds

[river plover]

no vf should be sukuna level

[dense haven]

tbh this is fine

[umbral bridge]

yk what i mean

[glad bluff]

why not a lot of ppl liked it

[river plover]

yea
it just leads back to fucking over comp players because they didnt play months ago, which makes a super unfun enviornment

[hoary aurora]

From garbage to become legend for 2 weeks

[river plover]

making a vf unit the best unit in the game by a wide margin isnt good balance

8.5 closed the gap a lil bit but release sukuna vf there was 0 competition

[umbral bridge]

its not by a wide margin he has weaknesess he is just very good at what he does

[runic sinew]

a secret being on the level of vanguards makes no sense balancing wise, even if he was supposed to get a vanguard

[glad bluff]

bro its genuinely just glaze i use sukuna for jack shit

[runic sinew]

hes just overpowered because valk said "imma fuck around a bit"

[dense haven]

vanguards shouldn't be the onyl good units

[river plover]

his weakness is doing the same dmg as a normal unit if theres only 1 enemy there and then doubling his dmg if theres enemies still spawning

[umbral bridge]

ppl thought he was mid when the familiar came out

[runic sinew]

then theyre stupid and cant do basic math

[river plover]

but tbf sukuna deserved to be that broken
he got done so dirty when he had his own update dedicated just to him

[dense haven]

people thought broly was mid when he came out

[glad bluff]

not true bro the dps was known way before

[glad bluff]

because u guys didnt want to delay the update more to add him with 1.0

[runic sinew]

when people call a unit shit 99% of the time theyre actually really good because people cant read or do math

[umbral bridge]

nahhh it was not bro salvation had to do a whole video breaking him down cuz ppl said he was mid

[river plover]

didnt it take like 3 weeks to add sukuna + his boss rush

[glad bluff]

no it was like a week after or smth

[dense haven]

same with rogitaw

[river plover]

and no bleed, no burn
genuine sukuna haters

[river plover]

[glad bluff]

ok wow it took 3 weeks

[glad bluff]

yeah i just checked

[river plover]

release was a wild time

[glad bluff]

is it just me or does that not seem like 21 days even tho it is

[umbral bridge]

yeah i remember they had to give him bleed and burn in the winter portal update cuz people were rioting. then they confirmed he was gonna get a vanguard double evo

[river plover]

yuh
then vanguard had to be scrapped cuz dmca so he got his broken fam
and now vanguard is back on the table cuz oc vanguards

[glad bluff]

so glad i wasted my question on that

[umbral bridge]

yeah im still waiting on my promised sukuna double evo. that was the only reason i kept playing the game for a long time

[dense haven]

lol I think I remember you

[glad bluff]

i coudlve asked about the future of endgame content and if its alright to make things a little difficult since the games so easy but i instead asked for jjk part 2

because my sukuna is shiny monarch 😭

[river plover]

i would hope the sukuna double evo would come after sukuna actually falls off and we can get the dmca stuff ppl want like onepiece
but who knows we might just get 5 more fate updates

[glad bluff]

100%

[dense haven]

gonna take a while for him to fall off tbh

[glad bluff]

game might be dead by then tho who knows

[dense haven]

unless the power creep goes crazy

[glad bluff]

sukuna double evo comes when jjk season 3 drops 😭

[river plover]

so lets just not do jjk part 2
cuz double evoing a meta unit is kinda silly

[glad bluff]

woah woah woah

jjk's one of the most popular animes naruto and one piece can get their animes why cant jjk get a small part 2

[runic sinew]

could we get

saber double evo
jjk part 2 (sukuna double evo)
luffy vanguard

🥺

[river plover]

i will accept a jjk part 2 if choso somehow gets brought back into meta
my monarch choso is fiending for meta

[runic sinew]

these are peak ideas trust

[dense haven]

choso vanguard evo

[river plover]

more sabers is crazy

[glad bluff]

it can be a .5 update where they add a pvp gamemode with astdx teams

[umbral bridge]

or we can just powercreep all future units to infinity so we have excuse to give sukuna a double evo

[river plover]

true
as someone who hasnt rolled on a unit (besides broly) in like 3 updates i agree with massive powercreep

[glad bluff]

theres gotta be a cheap full aoe eventually

i mean we already got one with broly

[river plover]

grif also sorta is

[glad bluff]

nah he dont count he takes forever

[umbral bridge]

do you think the devs are gonna move to units from other updates for double evo? They already got most of the update zero units double evo except naruto I think (no one gaf about cha hae in) and tengen has vf and i dont thing they are gonna double evo rengoku cuz he is limited.

[runic sinew]

just use frieza

[river plover]

you mean like do it for units past upd 1? i dont see why they wouldnt

[runic sinew]

why would they double evo rengoku even if he wasnt limited

[river plover]

lotta options from upd 1 to upd 2 and those units are ass

[glad bluff]

well if we're going by oldest units then sukuna would still be one of the first to get a double evo, but thats if he falls off by that point

[runic sinew]

they already have his "final form"

[umbral bridge]

yeah idk if they are gonna do jjk double eveo cuz they already have vf familiar for the two most hyped units from that update. they could move on to update 2 and go for saber or something i guess

or steel ball run 1.75

[dense haven]

yeah sbr needs better units

[runic sinew]

they can do jjk part 2 in like 10 months or so

[glad bluff]

if he doesnt fall off by then saber is prob the first so @silent idol can be happy

[umbral bridge]

dont disrespect my king rengoatku

[river plover]

yea feels a little soon for a jjk part 2 cuz of vfs, fate wouldnt be a bad one, sbr and pretend old one doesnt exist would be hype for when the anime drops

[glad bluff]

nah with this powercreep i think we could expect it in half that

5 months is like 6-7 updates

[dense haven]

yeah idk about that

[glad bluff]

not joking

[umbral bridge]

sbr seems like the next choice imo

[dense haven]

sbr would be better for a double evo than jjk tbh

[glad bluff]

if the latest they usually update is 4 weeks and normal times are 3 then why wouldnt 5 months be 6-7

[umbral bridge]

what was the gap between vsjw and broly?

[river plover]

sbr would be cool
redemption arc that doesnt include sturdy+overshield

[glad bluff]

wdym

who deserves a double evo more johnny/valentine or saber

[umbral bridge]

like how long between their double evo's

[runic sinew]

naruto

[trim breach]

johnny

[glad bluff]

4.5 to 8.5 thats 8 updates

[runic sinew]

naruto and sasuke can be a duo unit

[river plover]

that is also with seasonals kinda being spammed

[glad bluff]

so yeah that is possible

[glad bluff]

when are you guys going to actually rework gamemodes like you said you would

[umbral bridge]

fr they might do naruto and sasuke i forgot

[glad bluff]

the last time that was touched on was 6.0

[umbral bridge]

sasuke was so trash i forgot about him

[river plover]

what gamemodes did they say they would rework?

[glad bluff]

i mean what 2 gamemodes do you think need reworks bro

[umbral bridge]

odyssey is one

[river plover]

well besides those
nether been working on his odyssey v3 draft
pvp will prob be made playable eventually

[glad bluff]

broo pleaseeeeeee jjk update make the pvp rework and then add a gamemode where u use set teams and have an astdx type of team system plsss i need this

[river plover]

like pvp draft mode like astdx was?

[glad bluff]

wut

[umbral bridge]

bro they need to make odyssey have a multiplayer mode im tired of doing shi alone I miss the days where I used to grind paragon lb with my boys

[river plover]

the team system thing
was that refering to pvp? or seperate

[glad bluff]

i mean the pirates vs marines i always have fun with them as long as their rewards are contribution based and not who wins

[river plover]

oh team v team stuff

i lowk hate that stuff

[dense haven]

that was pretty rigged

[glad bluff]

what happened

[dense haven]

both teams were within 100 points of each other for basically the whole event

[glad bluff]

if its contribution based atleast u dont get fucked over

[river plover]

the astdx teams were so rigged you could pay like 50 robux to change teams and just win last second😭

[dense haven]

basically impossible for that to happen if it's not rigged

[glad bluff]

no

[river plover]

yea but if you are on the losing team you just get worse rewards

[glad bluff]

thats not true

[river plover]

the worse rewards? or changing teams

[glad bluff]

u could only switch for the first 1 or two days

[river plover]

ah
i only played that update for the first couple of days

[glad bluff]

winning team should just get a cool title or mount

[dense haven]

tbh that update wasn't worth playing

[river plover]

there isnt a single astdx update i found worth playing

[dense haven]

3 lane map for the event, unsoloable

[glad bluff]

yeah no the event was shit but i had fun with the team system

[dense haven]

and now they added premium bp only meta units

[glad bluff]

i think ppl only hate it cuz u get shit rewards if u lose

[glad bluff]

i was thinking that if the gamemode was added just make pvp coins double the normal amt too so it encourages ppl to actually grind pvp too

[river plover]

knowing that im getting worse rewards than someone else purely because rng put me in the losing team pisses me off
and als team v team in general pissed me off with those awful objectives

[glad bluff]

im talking entirely contribution based duh rewards arent affected by if u win orl ose

[umbral bridge]

its its kinda ridiculous that i need to get all the way to gold before the amount of coins i get per match increases

[river plover]

the rewards in general need rebalancing
i feel like with how crazy events are we can afford to make pvp a lil better reward wise

[river plover]

huh
each rank should increase it

[umbral bridge]

nah not for me

[glad bluff]

naw pvp shop is good it's a better boss rush shop the currency gain is just terrible

[river plover]

thats what i mean

[umbral bridge]

I was getting 5 coins per match until i reached late gold then i started getting 11

[glad bluff]

oh alr

[dense haven]

how long did that take you lol

[river plover]

we need to get pvp up and running so the alu skin can exist outside of wiki and the big ass tournament😭

[umbral bridge]

too long bro

[river plover]

someone has a anime vanguards trophy just sitting around waiting for that tournament

[glad bluff]

if u have set teams u actually have to strategize too

[glad bluff]

what if they delay it forever so they dont have to pay

[river plover]

yea i think the astdx pvp team system could be good
everything else for pvp i hated but the team system wasnt bad

[glad bluff]

i made a concept but i think my whole idea is too much for a .5 update

[umbral bridge]

I actually enjoy playing pvp but the matchmaking sucks, and the rewards are garbage

[river plover]

i think matchmaking actually needs a rewrite

[glad bluff]

i still needa do the gojo side of the vanguard

[river plover]

and pvp needs a hp increase

[umbral bridge]

they should make the early game go by faster

[river plover]

faster waves? or just more eco/higher hp

[glad bluff]

u should be able to fk with ur opponent way more other than just the cards

[umbral bridge]

bit of both but mostly faster waves

[river plover]

8.5 scaling instead of 6.0 scaling would make pvp matches so much faster
but just not much point until pvp gets its soft rework/reboot

i have faith it will happen eventually

just like trading and guilds

[glad bluff]

bro the tournaments thing should've been in the game since launch

[river plover]

the each bracket having its own modifiers?

[umbral bridge]

bro this game would be so goated if they locked in and made odyssey and pvp good

[glad bluff]

yes

[river plover]

yea that might get me to actually play tournaments again

[glad bluff]

i needa learn how to properly wave skip and the proper metas again but good lord is it BORING to replicate tournaments

the first tournament with killua was just terrible

[umbral bridge]

lol i remember that

[river plover]

i still have nightmares about that killua rng

[umbral bridge]

the worst one was the spider forest one tho

[river plover]

im still waiting on aandre to make killua not rng
he told me he would change it

[glad bluff]

i genuinely just stopped after the first

i think the next one was passion? idrm

[umbral bridge]

idk if it was the next one but i fucking remember the toji one bro

one of the worst tournaments of all time

[hoary aurora]

YESSSIR NO MORE SNIPE AT FUCKING 3 AM

[glad bluff]

now i gotta think for tournaments

[umbral bridge]

i dont even do traitless bro i just get my monarch units to carry me

[river plover]

good news is so do your oponents
and at av thinking is a challenge

[umbral bridge]

traits is more fun for me

[glad bluff]

atleast i have 8 monarchs now so

i can maybe be comp for traits

[river plover]

im too behind on monarchs to even think about traits

that reminds me
i still havent finished bp

i need to do that sometime

[glad bluff]

its ok bro we still got 3 more weeks until av updates

[umbral bridge]

bro does anyone miss grinding high paragon lb with friend back in the day?

i lowkey miss paragon bro

[glad bluff]

FUCK NO

[river plover]

no i hated paragon

[glad bluff]

TAKES 30 MINUTES JUST TO PICK ALL THE CARDS

[river plover]

and then you get unlucky with cards, now you are fucked

[umbral bridge]

yeah that sucked but i liked the lb aspect of it

[river plover]

i didnt have people dedicated enough to grind lb with
so i was just sitting there going through infinity castle withdrawls

[glad bluff]

i feel paranoid about this update

[umbral bridge]

there is something about infinte lb that I dont like. I liked paragon lb cuz you did not need to sit on for hours on one stage just to get dc or others to find some bug you dont know about

[dense haven]

why

[glad bluff]

idk, since theres no theme im not really all that hyped and of the units we know there's not really many that catch my attention

[runic sinew]

well, half of them we dont even know still

[dense haven]

none of them?

[glad bluff]

and it doesnt seem like were getting anything new with gamemodes or something cool

[dense haven]

nah yeah Idk about it either, It's fate themed no?

but could be real hit or miss

[river plover]

[glad bluff]

idk it gives me alot of 6.0 vibes

[umbral bridge]

trading is def gonna be carry for this update I think. I dont think they got anything special in mind like new gamemodes or anything I think all the effort has just been going into the unit models now cuz of dmca. I am afriad that it will not be worth the wait

[glad bluff]

maybe its masked by the amt of rrs we get

[umbral bridge]

fr

[glad bluff]

if tradings the highlight istg

[dense haven]

tbh not excited for trading to come out

[umbral bridge]

fr i already know mfs gonna be so annoying with values

[glad bluff]

like it just doesnt give me the vibes of best update ever

[umbral bridge]

i think its prob gonna be among the best update but i dont think it will be worth the wait

the amount of time its taking is the main issue for me

[glad bluff]

why not just market it as a 2 pt update so it had more of a clear theme

first part could be fate themed 2nd could be videogame and show themed

[umbral bridge]

wym 2 pt update?

[river plover]

What is with the fate😭

[glad bluff]

thought we were getting fate units

[umbral bridge]

probably from kazi

[river plover]

Out of like 6 revealed units 1 has been fate

[glad bluff]

ig

[dense haven]

yeah but alot of the jokes they're saying are about it being a fate update

[river plover]

Well yea its fate vanguards

Its like 5 updates that have had at least one fate unit in ut😭

[dense haven]

manhwa update?

[umbral bridge]

yeah wasnt this game supposed to be a manhwa tower defense

[river plover]

Would be peak

And we kinda have with solo leveling
Sorta

[dense haven]

jaehwan was sneaked which was gonna be a vanguard unit for the manhwa td

[umbral bridge]

we only have sjw, cha and choi and igris

[dense haven]

and atp solo leveling doesn't count

[river plover]

Yea it got turned anime

Idk if manhwa would have the traction of animes tho

[dense haven]

nah def not

[glad bluff]

anime more marketable

[umbral bridge]

if it is a manhwa td cant they add other monarch from solo leveling?

[glad bluff]

people only care abt sjw

[umbral bridge]

antarez is pretty cool

[river plover]

Its called solo leveling for a reason

[glad bluff]

ive never heard of that guy

[umbral bridge]

monarch of destruction

[river plover]

I vaguely remember him
But I also haven't read solo leveling in 2+ years

[glad bluff]

he looks like shiny aizen

[umbral bridge]

we need bellion too

[glad bluff]

they look almost tthe exact same

[umbral bridge]

bro is not antares

aizen wanna be like him so bad

[glad bluff]

or antares wants to be aizen

[umbral bridge]

ehhhh

agree to disagree

[glad bluff]

the last event being on the 24th means we could actually get a weekend update for the first time in years 🥹🥹

[umbral bridge]

nah i dont trust the event dates anymore they could just extend it again

[glad bluff]

nah its already been like what 5-6 weeks

its gotta be this weekend

[umbral bridge]

gng they couldnt even gives a model for the new sneak for dio over heaven they are not even close to being done bro

[glad bluff]

and then we got dio as the final sneak 🥹🥺🥺

[glad bluff]

a week is plenty time to complete a few more units

[umbral bridge]

nahh

they usually drop what like 5 units per update and it takes 3 weeks

and u expect them to remodel 14 units within the same time idk gng

might be another week

[glad bluff]

last .0 was 8 units in 3 weeks

[umbral bridge]

u mean 4 units?

[glad bluff]

what

[umbral bridge]

guts, griffith, sk, witch

[glad bluff]

gg and the bp units and smith

[umbral bridge]

oh right

forgot bout them

[glad bluff]

its alr been 5 weeks, next weekend itll be 6

they can 100% meet that deadline

[umbral bridge]

u right it could be next weekend

i wont get my hopes up tho

[quasi kernel]

Or how about cancel it n rework it into a different comp game mode?

[pale kite]

^ 💀 pvp needs a huuuuuge update. like a full update just dedicated to fully optimising it , fixing up that sh!tty matchmaking system (got put up with a gold rank on my second match) and making that game actually worth playing.

[obsidian nebula]

remove that shit and work in actual good content that deserve it

[umbral bridge]

like what gang

[obsidian nebula]

odyssey deserve another rework
same as portals

[umbral bridge]

pvp and odyssey are the only real gamemodes in this game

[obsidian nebula]

pvp the gamemode that will never work in any atd game

[umbral bridge]

it does tho

its actually pretty fun its jsut the matchmaking and rewards are really bad

[obsidian nebula]

pvp and fun in the same sentence

[umbral bridge]

if you dont like pvp thats fine

I can agree that it is not fun to play rn because of matchmaking and rewards but i dont think its a bad idea for a gamemode

some people just dont like pvp thats fine as well

[quasi kernel]

since premium payouts got removed, I could see another rework for odyssey

it was probably designed this way bc of premium oayouts

just make it similar to fe

[umbral bridge]

fe?

[quasi kernel]

als final expansion game mode

[low spruce]

huh

What do the payouts have to do with odyssey at all

[umbral bridge]

well it failed miserably cuz no one plays odyssey

[delicate relic]

Odyssee takes a long time, so the devs get more money from Premium users

[low spruce]

That was not the point at all LMAO

If they wanted that, that's the whole point of AFK chamber

[delicate relic]

That's what I think mushy meant

[hazy aurora]

not uh... how that works

roblox changed the premium payout thingy

unless they reverted that at least

[low spruce]

Far as I'm aware, it hasn't been reverted

[calm flare]

uhm where did your tester go

[low spruce]

[calm flare]

damn

[low spruce]

It is what it is, I'm not exactly surprised. It was a fun ride, I just wasn't as invested in the ride anymore

[calm flare]

fair

as far as i remember you were tester before even update 2

[low spruce]

Nah

I joined a little before update 3 iirc

[calm flare]

oh

[low spruce]

I just lost a lot of my drive to test with RL stuff going on. I never really liked trying to handle anything in main server reports, I was slacking for a while

I'm not really upset by it, though. I'll still play the game, I'll still offer feedback where I can

[golden forge]

no way

[mild carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man2-spider-man-spider-man-no-more-i-quit-tobey-maguire-gif-26416776

[low spruce]

TRUE

[dire magnet]

Bros a piss role now💔

[lilac wyvern]

Not a surprise to me, the way you talked about the game you seemed just burned out and didnt really wanna engage testing wise anymore, Wish you luck on anything in the future!!

[glad bluff]

holy shit

[low spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

[low spruce]

tbh you're kinda right though. It was a mix of a lotta things that burned me out, I suppose, but I definitely feel the lack of investment nowadays. But on the bright side, I can go back to playing the game normally and enjoying it again

[barren temple]

Finally bro can stop glazing shi

And nothing is ur fault now bc ur not a tester

🥹

[low spruce]

ill still do it

but now nobody can say I'm only doing it for my role

[obsidian nebula]

now you glazing them to get the tester role back

[craggy breach]

No way

[low spruce]

shhhhhh

[hazy aurora]

hes the type of person who hates every update that he doesnt absolutely love 💔

[low spruce]

no no no, i hate specific parts of updates

[hazy aurora]

we all do

[barren temple]

It was a joke brotato chip

[umbral bridge]

wait ur not tester anymore?

[low spruce]

This has been the hot topic of today

[umbral bridge]

u lost it or u quit?

[low spruce]

Lost

I was let go

[bitter lagoon]

woah

brodie not a tester anymore

they done waived your contract 💔

[low spruce]

I get to enjoy the game again

[bitter lagoon]

so uhh did u ever get to test 9.0 or uhh

did u sign an nda 😔

[low spruce]

There was no nda

I did get to test some of the units at least

[bitter lagoon]

[barren temple]

Dm some info?

[low spruce]

fuh no

if I can't say it here

i ain't gonna risk saying anything else

[barren temple]

Ik I was jp

[low spruce]

I might not be a tester anymore, but me leaking shit would probably still get me banned

[pale kite]

pvp is slept on. its unironically kinda fun when u don't end up being locked out of banning units or put up against some dude 5 ranks above urs

if they fix it those (and make the rewards worth it) then it'll be a really great gamemode

[pale kite]

this guy gets it 🙏

[pale kite]

Hellll nah. One of the very few testers who actively talks ,ith the community and they let him go 😭

[low spruce]

Like I said, communicating with the community doesn’t mean anything if I don’t actually test enough

I’m cool with designing shit and being a bit more of a public figure, but I just wasn’t giving it much for testing

[golden forge]

they let me go too

[pale kite]

mhmm you should honestly apply for moderator

you'd be perfect for it? you're checking suggestions and channels other mods barely check (barely seen any mods in the middle of actual discussions in suggestions)

[low spruce]

Fuck no

I'd hate to actually have to moderate the server

[dire magnet]

onb

[pale kite]

😭🙏

[primal hearth]

You have limbs and your not blind and not deaf now

🥹

[velvet wedge]

W keyholder

Keyholder use the key u got to unlock the update

[primal hearth]

Sure

[lilac wyvern]

Community Manager would be nice honestly i dont see alot of roblox games having that when it genuinely is valuable to have someone who can appeal to the community LOL

[umbral bridge]

what even is a "community manager" dawg

dont moderators basically do that already

[lilac wyvern]

moderators moderate chat and make sure people dont break rules its in the name, community manager is kinda like what brandon does pretty much (this guy is not doing anything development wise)

you see it alot in actual official games where they have a community manager, devs can feed just lil bits of info and they can hype everyone up and genuinely engage with the community in a professional manner

[umbral bridge]

like ronnie 2k?

[calm flare]

uhhh bump?

[swift depot]

i disagree

[craggy breach]

I gr

[wise elm]

Twin we know that the devs cant do that

They are to dumb to balance it

My grandma can balance better

[pale kite]

Lmao. God bless 🙌 🙏

[ionic mesa]

Disabling units from certain modes is just dumb lol, that's not a good fix to anything

Limited units should never be made meta for obvious reasons

[umbral bridge]

what obvious reason?

what about kaguya and escanor wont they eventually become limited?

so why make them so good?

this is just stupid

and now they are adding trading so you can trade for these limited units so it makes even less sense.

[ionic mesa]

Yeah and they won't get buffed months after they have become unobtainable, that's the point