chore vangaurds

[kindred solar]

there's nothing wrong with that

[keen meteor]

shes always been a crit centered unit lol

[hexed shard]

Idk could do more than just making another crit reliant unit and give her a new ability 🤷

[junior oracle]

this makes me so happy

[kindred solar]

some units might have kinda similar passives, but its not bad

[keen meteor]

oh god not that kpop demon hunters show or whatever its called

PLEASE no

[junior oracle]

PLEASE yes

[keen meteor]

it BETTER be a farm or support if anything

[junior oracle]

fym farm

[kindred solar]

never watched it, what up with ppl hating on it?

[paper rapids]

i can assure you Yuzu definitely pick some fuckah troll unit

[hexed shard]

The manager

[keen meteor]

anyway chop chop, do the fixes

[paper rapids]

im working on it sir

[junior oracle]

only reason to not be into it is cause its a musical

besides that its very good

[keen meteor]

⏰

oh btw

u should add a () in the 2nd passive saying only 1 beru per cha

ppl might think you could get 3 xD

[paper rapids]

🆗

[paper rapids]

Sir is this ok

[keen meteor]

hey so...

the mission names are still radiant grace :)

[paper rapids]

what now

oh right

[keen meteor]

also, in the description part, the "its" should be "it's"

now time to look at the passives again!

forgot the . at the end of the first and third passives

[paper rapids]

Ok changed for the 1000th time

any grammar mistakes past this point will be lost in the sauce, to lazy to change em

[granite walrus]

Just change the 3rd mission back they kept sukuna boss rush for like a month when he first got his vanguard

[meager aurora]

Honestly W lock on that suggestion that shit was ass

[hexed shard]

Lmfao

[meager aurora]

Basically monarch token suggestion v2

[paper rapids]

man

[chilly flume]

idk why people agreed bruh

[paper rapids]

😔

[granite walrus]

Why u listening to rebal bro 😭

[chilly flume]

u can get 1k in a week from this update

[hexed shard]

New players duh I’ve seen people begging for units when trading ain’t even out

[meager aurora]

They are too used to handouts

like they haven’t gaven us like 1k the past 2 months from events alone

[junior oracle]

clear dungeon 1 time
clear boss rush 1 time
assist sjw with x kills

[keen meteor]

its 3 missions 💔

[chilly flume]

some guy was arguing with me cause u actually had to grind events 💔

[paper rapids]

takes to little time to complete

[chilly flume]

they expected devs to give u rerolls

[junior oracle]

its better that way

[keen meteor]

assist with kills is insane lol

[hexed shard]

They should let rerolls grow offline 😛

[paper rapids]

for what vfamiliars are it has to take atleast 20+ minutes

[chilly flume]

good idea

can we have 50 rerolls everytime we complete a raid

[junior oracle]

dungeon alone can take 20 minutes

[paper rapids]

oh?

[junior oracle]

yeah

[granite walrus]

It’s 1 boss rush

[junior oracle]

roughly between 15-20

boss rush takes 10

[chilly flume]

i only touch raid for shiny cid

took me 1k clears

[keen meteor]

that would force them to force the same boss rush for 2 weeks when they could just not do that instead

[hexed shard]

What did it cost

[junior oracle]

better to have igris rush for 2 weeks than aot

[chilly flume]

Nothing

[keen meteor]

better to have neither

[junior oracle]

its the easiest to beat

[granite walrus]

They have kept 1 boss rush in for a month before

😭

[meager aurora]

With this events we have nowadays I be skipping aot boss rush

[keen meteor]

doesnt justify them doing it again 💔

[hexed shard]

Damn bro do 1k more for another

[keen meteor]

"man we really hated this thing they did" "so they should do it again but less"

like really dude

[granite walrus]

They done it multiple times bro

[meager aurora]

delicious

[paper rapids]

ok should be around 20ish minutes

[junior oracle]

yes i like this

[granite walrus]

Nah like 35ish

[hexed shard]

Eventually boss rush selector is gonna be a thing trust

[chilly flume]

honestly might do it if new events are easy and good

i need more uncorrupted birbs

[granite walrus]

But it’s good

[granite walrus]

I made a suggestion for that got like 140 stars

[kindred solar]

ts gonna be so long, also, why the story mode stages clear and not legend stages?

[paper rapids]

whats the difference

[kindred solar]

idk, harder?

[granite walrus]

Legend stages take more time if it’s the 3rd one all the other ones are just the same as story

[paper rapids]

its DD 😭

[kindred solar]

not excactly? just kill the 4 statues before the boss comes out and it'll be the same clear time as any other stage

[granite walrus]

😭

[hexed shard]

Imagine if they made actual new challenge stages w restrictions would be fire ngl

[keen meteor]

change that 3 to 5 in mission 1 (its literally just 1 more of any stage)

[paper rapids]

would require to much effort

[hexed shard]

True

[granite walrus]

It would still take longer

And u can’t do that shit if ur new

[paper rapids]

your really only need to complete 3 stages

1 Dungeon with solo leveling

2 with Chae in SJW

[keen meteor]

way too much effort

[paper rapids]

which is around 25 minutes

[kindred solar]

i know

[keen meteor]

thats excluding the 3rd mission

[hexed shard]

Idk follow the summer event schematic with a preset loadout

[chilly flume]

when are they adding 50 monarch token because we have been playing for 50 months

[keen meteor]

3rd mission is 3 of act 6 dd

so ur doing 4 total

[kindred solar]

ant dungeon is 20 mins already

[keen meteor]

might as well make the 1st mission 5

[paper rapids]

wait do i have dementia

[keen meteor]

maybe

[granite walrus]

Huh

[kindred solar]

wdym, how do you want us to complete another 3 stages in 5 mins

[paper rapids]

can confirm i do

[chilly flume]

yes

[kindred solar]

how

[granite walrus]

Ngl bro ts impossible

[keen meteor]

wouldnt put it past you

you've made too many high effort suggestions

melted ur brain

[granite walrus]

Shortest u could get one stage is like 3.30

Maybe

[keen meteor]

they can take 25 minutes yknow

[kindred solar]

what stage do you clear in 3.5 mins??

[keen meteor]

its 20 PLUS minutes

25 is fine

[paper rapids]

ill just keep it at 3 for mission 1

[keen meteor]

:(

[granite walrus]

Old ones

[paper rapids]

gotta move on to the next task, tryna finish the concept by today 😭

[keen meteor]

boringggggg

[kindred solar]

show it

[granite walrus]

Notice how I said maybe

[kindred solar]

maybe my ahh

ts is impossible

[granite walrus]

U def could get it to like 3.50

[hexed shard]

Lowest is like 5:05 I think

[granite walrus]

Nah

[hexed shard]

Or maybe I’m dumb idk never tired

[dapper flax]

Free bro

[keen meteor]

lmao told you itd happen

[kindred solar]

the fastest possible clears are done with escanor OR gohan if you dont have escanor

[dapper flax]

Yh i said it too cause the ad

[keen meteor]

the entire suggestion is an ad lmao

[dapper flax]

Mf rlly thought the devs were gna hire mods for his trading server💔

[granite walrus]

I do cid raid in 3:50 wit escanor

[wise aurora]

b

[granite walrus]

That’s different tho

[kindred solar]

we're not talking abt raids

we're talking abt story modes where you get 600 yen first wave

[kindred solar]

stats?

or maybe busted familiar?

cuz i dont trust you

[granite walrus]

No familiar

[kindred solar]

yep, you're lying

[granite walrus]

My easy time is like 3.50 hard is 4.55

[kindred solar]

no way you're clearing it with escanor in 3.50 with no familiar

welp

[granite walrus]

Oh wait 15 dmg

[kindred solar]

easy is not hard

[granite walrus]

My hard time still crazy

[kindred solar]

i thought you were talking abt hard stage

[dapper flax]

U can get >3:49 easily with escanor or zeke

[kindred solar]

easy mode yes

[dapper flax]

Nah hard mode

[kindred solar]

but noone is actually farming easy mode

[kindred solar]

vid?

[dapper flax]

Maybe not escanor but zek can do sub 4 mins

[granite walrus]

My hard time is 4.55 wit escanor max stats and 15 dmg

[kindred solar]

how, this fuckahh is 140k to fully upgrade

[granite walrus]

Why not it’s like no difference

[granite walrus]

Lowk might be better in long run since it’s faster

[dapper flax]

Before cid nuke nerf?

[radiant bane]

this is with gogeta

[dapper flax]

Dam

[kindred solar]

oh yeah, i forgot that why zeke copies all the stats to your other units

[kindred solar]

this is not solo, also thats like 1.8 mil dps

[hexed shard]

The goat is still relevant? (Coping w monarch gogeta)

[dapper flax]

Faster to do w ppl but yh its like a escanor time

Not solo

[wheat pawn]

super gogeta

not super saiyan 4

[hexed shard]

[keen meteor]

he actually is

he is meta viable with the right team

not high meta obv

but definitely usable

[kindred solar]

with escanor and good birb i only got 4:37 (hard mode) maybe if i crit-fish for the nuke maybe i'll be able to clear in 3:30

no strange cat sadly

[keen meteor]

the guy in the video was also using aizen monarch...

[kindred solar]

wasnt it 3 deadeye aizens?

its more effective that way

[keen meteor]

yes actually

it was

but i mean still

3 deadeye aizens

[kindred solar]

i have them

can try that strat

[keen meteor]

with broly too

[kindred solar]

but i'll need a friend with broly

[kindred solar]

i know

but that run is legit only when comparing with other coop strats

what about solo runs?

can you compare aby other unit with escanor?

as much as i know jin mori and kaguya can clear as fast or faster

[hexed shard]

Yall should be on lbs and tourneys fr why blitz normal stages

[keen meteor]

jin mori and kaguya cannot clear faster than them

sadly enough to say

jin mori takes 12 waves to max out him and all clones

[dapper flax]

Like 1% chance he critting 24/7 but it prob possible

[kindred solar]

dont need to regularly crit, just the nuke

[frozen vessel]

this screenshot is too funny

“we will keep releasing chum play it if you want”

[keen meteor]

thats literally what VFs are meant to be

easy to produce filler content lol

boring but rewarding

[frozen vessel]

another tutorial on how to bring the game back to 8k players

this logic is very good

[neat dove]

Except it does the opposite and gets players to log in again for a little while LOL

[granite walrus]

Not many ppl log in tho if we being real

[neat dove]

Which is entirely fine

Events don’t extend a game indefinitely

But VFs give a little bit of filler reason

[granite walrus]

They could be filler but the last 2 weren’t even all that

[neat dove]

I mean the obito one was pretty solid

The gilg one was understandably mid, but nice for people that already had monarch gilg from way back

[granite walrus]

Still mostly unusable is like 99.99% of situations

[sleek trail]

Not with the obito quest.

literally skipped on it since i got the familar

Same with the yhwach one for soul tracer

asking us to do 10 stages for 12 days straight then another 5 a day for 8 says

almost 3 times worldlines

[granite walrus]

Yea but compared to the last 3 he just ain’t it and his quest was so sloppy

[sleek trail]

No bro

Please don’t do obito one again

Or similar to it

[neat dove]

Wdym

The different stage approach?

[sleek trail]

they took way too long

[neat dove]

I fw that a lot more than doing three events at once spamming limitless odyssey

[sleek trail]

u had to be locked in 24/7 in that stage cause obito is some buns😭

[neat dove]

It’s the same amount of time as if it were 25 clears in odyssey

[sleek trail]

definitely not

[neat dove]

The stage was not that hard

[sleek trail]

i had to do 5 obito, 5 yhwach, then 25 oddesy

[neat dove]

It’s still like 5 minute clears

[sleek trail]

From 30 mins to over 2 hours

[neat dove]

So don’t do them all every day

[sleek trail]

fomo

[sleek trail]

do you really think asking players to do 60 stages in total for the rewards is fair?

that’s like doing more than a worldlines in a week and a half

u can’t do them all at once either

it’s monotonous

[neat dove]

Given how long the events last? And how you don’t need to do them every day? Yes

[meager aurora]

what were they trying to do?

I wish I didn’t miss such an entertaining suggestion

[sleek trail]

doing the same thing for 2 hours a day for 20 days is just stupid

[dapper flax]

The guy made a suggestion sayin basically he wna mk a trading server and wants permission from devs called avv anime vanguards values 💔

He was like ima need a few mods for dis

Everyone was like who is bro

[meager aurora]

He got banned tho so was he wanting to make a server or already made one and was advertising?

[dapper flax]

Nah he made it then he started recruiting ppl in his suggestion and he said tht mods dont care abt advertising 🥀

[meager aurora]

lmaoo

[meager aurora]

You think they’ll accept his ban appeal?

[dapper flax]

Idk wasn’t tht deep he prob gd

[meager aurora]

you’d be shocked about how horrible most appeals are written

My friend said a slur and got banned and said please av gods I’ll never do it again

that was his appeal

[silk vessel]

Son 😭

[neat dove]

Then dont do it for 20 days, gang. If even just a half hour or an hour is too much for you, maybe you just need to come to terms with the fact that you're just burnt out on AV and you need a break

[marsh scroll]

i have to turn on sub when i watch your videos

[silk vessel]

Bro I speak normal English

[sick crown]

Fr

I don't know why bro doesn't understand you

[sleek trail]

that’s literally what the game has been for the past month ofc people r burnt out😭

[wise aurora]

b

[neat dove]

That’s why I’m saying to just take a break then

[keen meteor]

people are acting like they're forced to play the game 💔

if you dont like it, dont do it, simple as that

[sleek trail]

I have been

but im saying, even when I wasn’t burnt out the obito quests are way worse cause he’s just completely dogshit

[neat dove]

The stage was not that hard

It’s still a boring obtainment, but better than “do 25 limitless odyssey stages”

[junior oracle]

25 limitless odyssey stages are infinitely better

and with the other events you still have to do odyssey anyways

which is why obito quests sucks lol

[marsh scroll]

lets not lie
for the average player the 25 limitless one are better

because you can just place escanor and easy win

[junior oracle]

place escanor or broly and the stages are 30 seconds

meanwhile with obito you have to micro manage him, farms, and legendaries

[marsh scroll]

micro manage him?

av players are something else

[junior oracle]

im just saying it takes more effort

and for 30 minutes worth of gameplay id rather do the thing that takes far less effort

[marsh scroll]

is just placing 1 in the back then farm until you get to place 2 obitos in the front

💀

[junior oracle]

blah blah blah

yes yes

[marsh scroll]

i mean, the quest is easy

[junior oracle]

odysseys easier is all im saying

the obito quest adds more time as well, because like i said you have to do odyssey anyways

id still rather do ripoff elemental confluence

5 minutes doing a hard stage >>>> 30 minutes of odyssey

[marsh scroll]

30 mins?

[junior oracle]

you get my point

25 mins same thing

[marsh scroll]

[neat dove]

Oh I know it’s easier

That’s what made it boring

And why I liked obito’s event better

[marsh scroll]

i mean yeah, to save time doing 25 stages is better

but i prefer the obito one more

because i have to use the unit

[neat dove]

It was a neat change of pace

[junior oracle]

its not when theres reoccuring decadence and gilgamesh still has you do odyssey 💔

[marsh scroll]

i can't lie, people saying obito quest is hard or something are a lost cause

[junior oracle]

theyre gonna have to change reoccuring dacadence quests too

[neat dove]

Nobody’s forcing you to do all the events in one day

It’s not like the familiar quests required you to play every day

[marsh scroll]

i never did odyssey even with the event

i hate doing odyssey

[junior oracle]

theyre not but id much rather go back to the gojo and sukuna days of having 60 rerolls for just doing odyssey versus 60 rerolls and doing a bunch of other bullshit taking double the amount of time

[junior oracle]

thats what i have issue with

[marsh scroll]

you guys asked for changes

[neat dove]

I personally disagree

[marsh scroll]

and still complain

?

[neat dove]

I hope we never go back to the gojo and Sukuna events

[marsh scroll]

idk what else
you guys asked for quest that are related to the unit and just using escanor and easy win

and they did that

[junior oracle]

i did not ask for this obito quest, ive only been asking for elemental confluence ripoffs that can be done in 5 minutes every day

[neat dove]

Other parts of the community did ask for changes

[marsh scroll]

asked for different type of quest instead of simple clears

and yet still complain

[neat dove]

There is never winning with the community

[junior oracle]

because its 25 minutes of odyssey for 60 rerolls to an hour of bullshit for 60 rerolls, which isnt an improvment, its more inconvenient

[neat dove]

If going from a half hour to an hour is that much of a dealbreaker to you

[thorn tiger]

i don't think the special event quests for vfamiliars beyond the original formula of "do 25 stages with (unit)" would be bad if there wasn't such an over-saturation of slop vfamiliars

this has gotten better now since there aren't any other quests aside from soultracer but for a time, it was BAD

[marsh scroll]

not even half hour

not even a hour

[neat dove]

I need to ask why you play games at this point

[marsh scroll]

[thorn tiger]

when gilgamesh still had his event

[echo depot]

it’s like over an hour if you include yhwach stages

[thorn tiger]

it was pretty bad 🥀

[echo depot]

5 yhwach
5 obito
25 for gilg

[junior oracle]

i stopped doing the events ages ago, and i replayed peak instead

[echo depot]

ig 20 for gilg

[junior oracle]

im just waiting for this update

[marsh scroll]

waiter waiter, more vfs please!!

[thorn tiger]

🐷

oink oink rolls in mud

i love my slop!

stuffs face full

[thorn tiger]

yes devs keep feeding us vfamiliars!

we need to keep the ccu high!

[marsh scroll]

30 vf in the anniversary

✌️

[paper rapids]

🐷

yum yum yum

slop

[junior oracle]

we getting 2 vanguard familiars every update from now on

we aint stoppin

[paper rapids]

kazuma...

[marsh scroll]

atleast none of then will be from limited units

[paper rapids]

this does not amuse me

[marsh scroll]

im happy with that

[marsh scroll]

chan in and akaza vf trust

[paper rapids]

i hope they get rerun so we can have more oppurtunity for vf slop

[marsh scroll]

✌️

[paper rapids]

🤞🏻

[junior oracle]

rerun gilgamesh and toji, give em familiars, no gilgamesh double evo

[marsh scroll]

ewww
reruns

[junior oracle]

reruns are still peak

[marsh scroll]

reruns and peak in the same sentence

[junior oracle]

i want less exclusivity

[marsh scroll]

nah, fuck new players
i hope they suffer

[junior oracle]

theres more limited characters than unlimited

i dont even think its close

[paper rapids]

i will make sure you remember this if we ever get reruns

[junior oracle]

every seasonal events thats another 5 limited characters and we got 4 of those updates

[marsh scroll]

haruka rin rerun 🔥

[thorn tiger]

i-i can't laugh yet, i've gotta hold it in....

[marsh scroll]

do it

[thorn tiger]

i know reruns are coming, i just can't prove it.

mark my words

[sleek trail]

bro I had monarch obito and found it a nuisance to do, maybe not limiting to only legendary and below would be better

[junior oracle]

they wont even do bp reruns 💔

[marsh scroll]

trading made sure to kill reruns

[junior oracle]

they did that so you just use obito

[thorn tiger]

as if trading a rerunning can't coexist

ALS does it (slop game but still)

[junior oracle]

imagine if all the 14 units we're getting are limited

[sleek trail]

if they do that then I’d rather want to play a premade stage with a team, similar to testing units trials

[marsh scroll]

combining 2 enemies is crazy

[marsh scroll]

is obvious it will

[paper rapids]

👀

[junior oracle]

and youre saying they shouldnt get reruns

[sleek trail]

Idk it’s a .0 update

[marsh scroll]

yea

reruns are for bums

i mean, i see why people want reruns

and i understand them

[junior oracle]

imagine if DBL made all anniversary characters gone forever when part 3 ends

people would riot

[marsh scroll]

but im still against it

[thorn tiger]

bros favorite sticker

[junior oracle]

why does AV get away with it

😭

[junior oracle]

how to make reruns good:

make the rerunned units untradeable

🔥

or just make a different unit entirely

like dbz broly vs dbs broly

basically the same as reruns

[thorn tiger]

not really

[marsh scroll]

better idea:
not do reruns

[marsh scroll]

no way you fucking saying that

[junior oracle]

a better example would be

ASTD making a tradeable 6 star madara

then making untradeable 7 star madara

[thorn tiger]

6 7

[junior oracle]

god

[marsh scroll]

the only character that deserve a rerun

would be shirou

[thorn tiger]

multiple characters deserve reruns

[marsh scroll]

the rest nah

[junior oracle]

like gilgamesh

🙂

[marsh scroll]

gilgamesh

[junior oracle]

yes

[marsh scroll]

pack it up

[thorn tiger]

i don't think it's fair to leave cool characters in the dust just bc they were limited

[marsh scroll]

he isn't getting one

[thorn tiger]

gilgamesh was objectively

done dirty

[prisma ingot]

true

[junior oracle]

he shouldve just been a secret but vanguards REALLY wanted to make a unit exclusive just for the sake of FOMO even when it was competing with AA

[marsh scroll]

shirou only because he is a mc

[junior oracle]

they did the same bullshit with ishtar

[prisma ingot]

Ishtar idek was mythic

such bs

[thorn tiger]

oh so MCs in general deserve reruns

[marsh scroll]

making a mc a limited is stupid

[thorn tiger]

let's rerun subaru

[marsh scroll]

subaru is a bul

bum

nobody gives a fuck about him

[thorn tiger]

and jin mori

[marsh scroll]

i mean

[junior oracle]

could we rerun frieren

[thorn tiger]

shut up dweeb

[marsh scroll]

shirou is only worth of a rerun

[junior oracle]

and give her a not shit kit

[thorn tiger]

re zero update would be tuff

[thorn tiger]

please

[marsh scroll]

because fate can get another update

unlike re zero and god of highschool

[thorn tiger]

frieren update 🙏

[junior oracle]

you know what else could be apart of another update? vanguard gilgamesh.

[thorn tiger]

re zero could absolutely get another update

[marsh scroll]

vanguard shirou is better

[thorn tiger]

there's a lot to pull from

[marsh scroll]

than vanguard gilga

[thorn tiger]

muramasa

clearly

[junior oracle]

very disappointing that she was one of the only dps worldlines units but was complete poop

[neat dove]

The entire point was to backtrack to around release levels of team strength for a change of pace

[junior oracle]

pls tell the devs to do quests like it when other events that make you do odyssey arent active

[paper rapids]

Yes kazuma yes

[neat dove]

If it wasn't limited, people would've just run kaguya or something and called it quits

[junior oracle]

or rework reoccuring decadence quests entirely

[sleek trail]

that’s what people enjoy

😭

[neat dove]

i should just tell them to remove limitless odyssey

[junior oracle]

like also making it take 5 stages 😼

[neat dove]

Too bad, that would've been the way more boring approach

[paper rapids]

Double it and give it to als

[thorn tiger]

truth nuke

[neat dove]

I like als' version though

Kinda

[junior oracle]

final expedition?

[sleek trail]

final expedition?

[neat dove]

It has a lot of very questionable design choices though

I don’t fw hard mode

[junior oracle]

makes no sense for hard mode to take longer

[neat dove]

And needing to do a rest point just to use the stuff you get from the shop is criminal

[neat dove]

I mean, yes and no. That’s part of what makes it hard, having to survive longer

[marsh scroll]

re zero is hard because there is a thing called wl leadboards that make subaru get a rerun impossible even if is stupid the mc become limited

making a mc a limited unit is stupid when they can be part of a update of their anime

[junior oracle]

what other re zero characters could they add

[marsh scroll]

the red head guy

[thorn tiger]

deaduzz i think subaru should be an outlier in the sense that

he should just get a completely new unit

the worldlines subaru was done dirty

[neat dove]

Also rem and ran were in the winter banner

[marsh scroll]

the guy from astd

[sleek trail]

literally no one

😭

reinhart

but

who else besides him

[marsh scroll]

emilia aswell

[junior oracle]

well their thought process was probably "this anime is more niche so we wont give them a dedicated update" and thats why they're limited

[marsh scroll]

echidna or whatever her name is

[neat dove]

Oh is she from re zero

I’ve literally never seen it lmao

[marsh scroll]

i only know her from grand cross

[junior oracle]

its funny that they give guilty gear a dedicated update though

[marsh scroll]

the only mc that deserve to be limited is rudeus
nobody want a mushouko update

[paper rapids]

Silence fool

[thorn tiger]

regulus, garfiel, reinhard, petelguese, al, julius,

could go on

[junior oracle]

if they locked in for pvp they couldve just dropped it on the DBZ update (id argue it makes even more sense then guilty gear)

[sleek trail]

tea party update

yess

[thorn tiger]

she'd work better as a familiar imo

OR OR

if we really wanna get out there

[neat dove]

Yeah but guilty gear is cool

[thorn tiger]

the devs could drop an alt subaru unit from the greed if

[neat dove]

And fighting game for a pvp update made sense at the time

[sleek trail]

no one gaf

😭

[thorn tiger]

or any of the other if alt stories

[thorn tiger]

truth nuke

the units were good

they still are in terms of overall quality

guilty gear is a great game

[neat dove]

I want the happy chaos skin so badly still

Unironically would make me use alucard again

[marsh scroll]

fucking garfield?

[thorn tiger]

no

garfiel

[sleek trail]

Next vanguard will be luffy

[marsh scroll]

@paper rapids why the skull

[thorn tiger]

anyway the MCs being limited/exclusive shit is another reason as to why i heavily dislike the idea of limited units

they gate so many updates from ever happening

even when non-MC's are limited

[sleek trail]

reserve limited characters to bum ahh characters ❤️‍🩹

[thorn tiger]

esdeath is a good example here

no akame ga kill update w/o esdeath due to her relevance in the story

it'd be stupid to drop an update on a piece of media without most if not all of the relevant characters

[marsh scroll]

if the anime can't get a update without a character that is not the mc then ig that anime doesn't deserve one

[neat dove]

No it’s gonna be sans, duh

[marsh scroll]

rerun shirou

he doesn't deserve to be limited

he deserve to be a vanguard

[neat dove]

Too bad

[marsh scroll]

unless we give the limited a vanguard evo

[thorn tiger]

artoria or gilgamesh deserves to be a vanguard

[sleek trail]

Funny valentine familar plz

[marsh scroll]

gilgamesh sneak

at best he should appear as part of one of shirou attacks

[thorn tiger]

*funny valentine rework

every sbr unit should be reworked from the ground up as units

[sleek trail]

Valentine is 1 rework away from being goated

[thorn tiger]

once the SBR anime comes out

[marsh scroll]

does he throw heads

i can't evo him

[thorn tiger]

so we can get a proper SBR update

[junior oracle]

theyre getting familiars instead!!!

[sleek trail]

Wasn’t sbr one of the hardest updates

😭

[marsh scroll]

julius carry everyone

[sleek trail]

But all the units were buns

[marsh scroll]

✌️

[thorn tiger]

just hand me the gun 🥀

[sleek trail]

were sbr units buns or were fate units too good?

[junior oracle]

both

SBR and dandadan did nothing to the meta

then they locked in and made fate units good

[thorn tiger]

both of these updates deserve run backs btw

[radiant bane]

new gen btw

[marsh scroll]

ddd deserved to have mid units icl

[junior oracle]

ive been playing since release

but sure

[radiant bane]

Diego was used for lb runs back then

Because you were able to stack cc

[marsh scroll]

thatonenewgenGB

[thorn tiger]

grasping at straws

[radiant bane]

and okarun was the best boss killer in his time after the buff

[junior oracle]

sounds like eren

good in leaderboards dogshit everywhere else

[thorn tiger]

you cannot seriously be arguing in favor of dandadan or sbr units

💀

[junior oracle]

what did DANDADAN units do btw

[thorn tiger]

bottom 3 mushy moments

[radiant bane]

No I’m just saying they used ti have a purpose

[kindred solar]

Poor hw

[marsh scroll]

damage and damage

[thorn tiger]

and that's saying something

[wise aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/toji-fushiguro-toji-toji-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-toji-fushiguro-jjk-gif-14425395207236161194

[sleek trail]

y’all think they’d make wou unknown?

[thorn tiger]

this would make a lot of sense

[sleek trail]

I feel like bud should be immune to absolutely everything

[marsh scroll]

he will be curse and one of his passives will make him reflect all the attacks to the enemy

[kindred solar]

It controls reality to protect its owner, you might be onto something

[marsh scroll]

i bet it

[granite walrus]

Whose idea was vfs anyway

[neat dove]

That’d be silly

[echo depot]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-fate-fsn-saber-eat-chew-gif-22256984

[neat dove]

[junior oracle]

worst era of the game but they arent anyway

[marsh scroll]

a bum

called drainy

i can't ping his ass
did he got banned

[thorn tiger]

drainanalyze?

[junior oracle]

yeah id rather just get actual reworks then the familiars

[marsh scroll]

yea

[junior oracle]

WHAAAAT

[thorn tiger]

he got blacklisted from the suggestions channel

[radiant bane]

Created by @echo depot

[thorn tiger]

💀

[sleek trail]

Better than a curse/cosmic merchant

[junior oracle]

OF ALL PEOPLE?

[thorn tiger]

for criticizing pyseph

[marsh scroll]

bro what

[junior oracle]

drain

OF ALL

PEOPLE

AINT NO WAY 💔

NOT MUSHY?

[thorn tiger]

im not lying either btw this is the reason

i'll find the screenshot

[radiant bane]

His fault for making fun of developers

[marsh scroll]

that explain why none of his suggestions are getting bumped

[thorn tiger]

🥀

[junior oracle]

EVERYONE DOES

[radiant bane]

Not the criticism way

[marsh scroll]

i blame valk for ruining merlin

[neat dove]

That’d be silly

[kindred solar]

What was ruined exactly?

[marsh scroll]

pvp only unit

one time use nulify

and ass passives

[kindred solar]

I guess?

[thorn tiger]

holy dumbass

mushy might be the ragebait monkeys from the superman movie

[radiant bane]

No need to get aggressive

[marsh scroll]

her pvp only passive doesn't even work

like

mfs didn't even try with her

[kindred solar]

She can protect from gg legend stage "mind control"

[thorn tiger]

not a valid blacklist at all 🥀

[junior oracle]

id crash out

[kindred solar]

Wdym intended slop

[junior oracle]

i was infact crashing out when pyseph said familairs are intentionally slop and wont change

[thorn tiger]

vanguard familiars are intended to be "slop content" in the sense that they're minimal effort

[thorn tiger]

cheap content pumped out to keep ccu high

[neat dove]

I dunno what else you expect from event fodder

[thorn tiger]

😭

[marsh scroll]

why the fuck pregnant man

who tf reacted with thar

[thorn tiger]

idk maybe the same quality standard present in every other area of the game?

[kindred solar]

??Mpreg???

[marsh scroll]

🫃🏼

[thorn tiger]

vfamiliars def fall below that standard

[thorn tiger]

by a fair margin, i'd say

in quite literally every aspect

[neat dove]

Events are literally just the gacha staple of giving people something to do for logging in and playing a little bit every day

That’s all VFs are for

[junior oracle]

what annoyed me the most is that my suggestion is gonna be entirely ignored. then pyseph told us something THAT WE ALL KNEW, but its the fact that it wont CHANGE

[marsh scroll]

the only issue with vfs are that they are broken

[neat dove]

Sukuna’s is broken*

[marsh scroll]

tengen buffing 2 elements and applying a debuff is not broken?

vanguard familiar should be like gojo

[neat dove]

Eh, not really. Strong sure, but not broken tier imho

[thorn tiger]

i understand that. im saying that reducing what VFamiliars could be to just giving people something to do for logging in and playing a little bit every day is bad

it's not like you can skip out on most vfamiliars since most of them bump units to the upper meta

[junior oracle]

making units lazy is what theyre opposed to yet thats what VFs are

[thorn tiger]

why would you actively detriment yourself by not getting them 🥀

sukuna's obviously the biggest offender but tengen isn't too far behind

obito too

[echo depot]

don’t post this bro it’s so bad + it doesn’t have a watermark since it’s old

[junior oracle]

if the goal is have more people login everyday then just make general gameplay more rewarding (challenges and boss rush to be more specific)

add more unit achievements, yada yada

[thorn tiger]

idk why devs just stopped adding unit & stage achievements

literally no point to playing story stages in nightmare mode w/o them

[junior oracle]

unit achievements are usually are rewarded with custom banners, so thats probably what holds them back

[neat dove]

hasn’t done a single vfamiliar event because the only unit I had evolved was gilg

You very much can skip out on them, the choice is yours to make

[sleek trail]

Rerolls

im sure you don’t have 7 thousands rerolls though

[thorn tiger]

"yeah i skipped out on getting the newest top meta unit because i didn't have them evolved"

skipping out on vfamiliar events is quite literally the equivalent of just not grinding new updates with all the new and best units 🥀

you don't HAVE to grind anything in the game if we're using this logic

[junior oracle]

stage achievements however they just forget about them every single time

they also lock what could be awesome mounts to go with these stages (aizen chair for bleach story, brolys friend in a dungeon achievement) behind bundles

[thorn tiger]

i think it's the complacency that really gets on my nerves regarding VFamiliars & the thought process behind them

[junior oracle]

you know what, this gave me a suggestion idea 😼

[thorn tiger]

the devs cannot expect all of their community to just sit back and allow them to lower their quality standard (which is much higher than any other ATD on the platform, pretty objectively) that they themselves have built up since the game's release, but do so anyway bc they know that the vast majority of players will settle for mediocrity because it's roblox and as we all know, slop will always prevail on roblox

[marsh scroll]

the devs added returning players rewards

something i suggested 😎

[junior oracle]

its a good change but they didnt really compensate for that for people who were still playing the game 💔

just did it to bump ccu

[marsh scroll]

that was the idea

[neat dove]

I have like 12 lol

I don’t really grind them

[marsh scroll]

vf are a issue

[thorn tiger]

the community being a-ok with the quality of VFs and the thought process/development behind them will open the gate to lower-quality content because the devs will see that people are ok with shittier content

they are a very possible cause of AV's future downfall imho

[marsh scroll]

in everything

[neat dove]

It’s also like i don’t really need to grind the “top meta units” because I don’t care what’s meta or not

The units I have do content just fine

[thorn tiger]

then is that not just a you thing?

[junior oracle]

people dont care about the quality of VFs because of rerolls, however in suggestions like mine asking to change them did not receive much backlash

[neat dove]

No, that’s very much not an exclusively me thing lmao

[junior oracle]

oh and people like VF because "woahh my monarch gojo now does 10 million damage"

but like i said, doesnt really compensate for what we couldve actually gotten (whether that be a rework or a straight up vanguard)

[neat dove]

Who’s to say they can’t still get a rework or vanguard evo when the time is right?

Like an actual update related to said unit

[thorn tiger]

either way if you have that thought process, you're very much in the minority and i don't think it's really fair for you to speak on how mandatory VFamiliars are to obtain if you can't recognize that

[junior oracle]

they can NOW but that wasnt the plan before

[thorn tiger]

then that just opens the gate to more problems

[junior oracle]

gojo and sukuna will go on bench for another year

thats the issue lol

[neat dove]

Or, just maybe, they aren’t really as mandatory as people make them out to be because the game isn’t exactly difficult and the only part where they realistically might matter is in comp content, which only a minority of the playerbase really invest in

[thorn tiger]

if we're giving units who already have vfamiliars more vfamiliars once their original vfamiliars fall out of meta/just buffing their original vfamiliars, reworking the units entirely, or giving them evos, does that not open the gate to a meta where ur not required to really grind for any new content since all ur old units will suffice since they can just get all these buffs stacked on top of buffs??

it's just horrendous for the overall state of the game

[neat dove]

If units get reworks/evos, the old VFs wouldn’t work on them, so it wouldn’t really be buffs stacked on buffs

[junior oracle]

events are actually more mandatory than you think

"how i get op units quick?"

events

"how i get most rerolls?"

events

"how do i quickly get escanor, yhwach, etc?"

events

[thorn tiger]

not the point

[neat dove]

Two out of those three things are literally just optional/speeding something up

[prisma ingot]

if av drops a sneak in the next 10 minutes ill sell my soul again to this game

[thorn tiger]

even with the old VFs not working with the new vfamiliars, reworks, or evos, that doesn't change the fact that a unit could potentially be meta forever with this system in place

[marsh scroll]

kurumi sneak trust

[neat dove]

If you want to grind rerolls then yes, events are a good way of doing them, but neither is really mandatory unless you’re a comp player

[thorn tiger]

if only

[granite walrus]

Do u even play the game brotato chip

[thorn tiger]

nah bro we're getting dio OH

[marsh scroll]

nether is busy playing GG ranked

[thorn tiger]

the AAheads won

[junior oracle]

the point and literally the appeal of these games is getting an op unit with an op trait, and getting good characters is the easiest way to progress. when most peoples goal is to have meta characters (because thats the point of playing the game) then people are going to resort to grinding out the sukuna familiar

[neat dove]

Not rn, I finished update 8.5’s stuff and then I only played the aizen skin event

I just took a break to play other stuff that’s more enjoyable

Never played GG though, fighting games arent really my thing

[marsh scroll]

nether, please make the aizen skin armor not appear when you choose cosmetic
i want the cape

[neat dove]

I like watching em, not playing em

[marsh scroll]

not the armor

[granite walrus]

Bc they been slaking on cosmetics

[thorn tiger]

which most players are obviously very inclined to do??

this defense doesn't work like

at all 💀

[neat dove]

I mean

[thorn tiger]

why would you not want to play more optimally

[neat dove]

Not… really?

[thorn tiger]

you have to work MORE if you don't do events

no one wants this

getting good shit fast is something the vast majority of players want

[neat dove]

Because quite a few players don’t really care very much about grinding every reroll they can or pulling X unit as fast as they can

[marsh scroll]

we all know you top 10 in GG ranked leadboard

[junior oracle]

i think theyre rather speaking from experience and not from the view from the general audience

[sleek trail]

Av is way too easy rn

[neat dove]

Top 10 in bottom of the ranks fr

[sleek trail]

Traitless sukuna solos the game

ts is literally release als

sukuna soloing

[marsh scroll]

that means you played GG atleast once

[neat dove]

The game is just easy in general with most units

[junior oracle]

the game jumped in ccu when getting op units got easier, surely you dont think thats just a coincidence

[thorn tiger]

peak btw

[neat dove]

When was that again?

[junior oracle]

summer event, berserk, broly

thats when the game got back to its peak, when getting overpowered units (escanor, griffith, broly and gogeta) got insanely easier

[thorn tiger]

is there a ccu chart we can look at to view the difference between pre-summer and post-summer upd CCU?

would probably prove ur point

[junior oracle]

aot was 15k summers peak was 100k

or 90k

[neat dove]

I mean, summer event had Escanor and seasonal events in general are always good for ccu because they’re always the best times for newer players to get into the game

[junior oracle]

then every update that followed got higher and higher

[marsh scroll]

that is what people wanted

easier content

blame the av community

[granite walrus]

What day was summer upd

[thorn tiger]

i will forever stand by the idea that ALS & the boss brandon poisoned the ATD community

if ALS had not existed i doubt that people would want so much braindead easy content

it's actually tragic

[junior oracle]

he also bought a bunch of games and made them shit so people would go back to ALS

[thorn tiger]

ARX

[junior oracle]

AFS

[thorn tiger]

🥀

[junior oracle]

to be fair there is no saving that game even if you tried

theres zero engagement required

and nothing you could do to keep the formula interesting

[marsh scroll]

AD and ALS

and aa if we follow @junior oracle logic

[junior oracle]

yes

[granite walrus]

Only goes up from there

[junior oracle]

i never liked the monetization that AA did

it infected every game

[marsh scroll]

mf blame aa for ruining astdx

[junior oracle]

yes

[marsh scroll]

when fruity sama is the issue

he ruin astdx

not aa

💀

[junior oracle]

but at the same time AA created AV so i cant be too mad at it

despite how much i dislike traits and stats

[junior oracle]

i never said fruity didnt make his own mistakes

[thorn tiger]

i can partially get this

i think that the formula for stats and traits since AA has been pretty shit

stats shouldn't have percentages i think that's dumb, they should be fixed values

[junior oracle]

it adds nothing to the game besides making it more p2w

[thorn tiger]

a Z stat should be a Z stat

not closer to an S stat

or closer to a Z+

[marsh scroll]

you said that astd was fine

and that aa ruined it

[junior oracle]

oh hi pyseph

[marsh scroll]

and that astdx have no unique aspect because of aa???

you blaming the wrong person

[junior oracle]

make general gameplay more rewarding (challenges and boss rush), add more unit and stage achievements

thats what i think

[neat dove]

AA popularizing the plague on balance that is traits

[rugged viper]

breaks rule 2, it trivializes the economy

[marsh scroll]

rework ascensions

[rugged viper]

and partially rule 3

[thorn tiger]

the issue is that people have dropped some general ideas as to how to make them better and there seemingly hasn't been much reception from y'all

[junior oracle]

every vanguard familiar = 250 rrs

[thorn tiger]

icl i need to make my post regarding VFs

[rugged viper]

feel free to show me those then

[thorn tiger]

i've been thinking on it for a long while

[junior oracle]

if you balance out challenges and boss rush with that then thered be no issue

i specifically mean daily and weekly challenges btw

also, another thing you can do is remove 2x challenge rewards and make them the base

[neat dove]

The whole point of 2x rewards is just incentive to play on the weekends where players generally have the time If you just make that the base and remove it, there's no incentive anymore

[granite walrus]

Make all starter cards spawn in at the beginning of a match not just 3

[stoic snow]

just give us all a 1000 rr code

[rugged viper]

people wouldnt play challenges/boss rush if they had better rewards; people play events right now because it has an easily quantifiable FOMO metric, i.e. its very easy to look at the events ui and go "oh, i didnt do my events today, im missing out"

[stoic snow]

then everyone is happy

😀

[stoic snow]

but FOMO is bad thing

[junior oracle]

cant "oh, i didnt do my challenges or boss rush this week, im missing out" also apply here

[stoic snow]

i don’t like missing out

[junior oracle]

they do fomo for every update bruh

come on now

[rugged viper]

als gives out rerolls easily, they dont have high ccu cause of that. they have high ccu cause they slave their devs to update once every 1-2 weeks

[neat dove]

FOMO is a good and bad thing. Both from player's perspectives and from a game's perspective

[rugged viper]

i have some very, very bad news to you about what gacha games are all about

[stoic snow]

isn’t that like a basic principle with like everything tho?

every single thing that releases updates will have some aspect of FOMO

[granite walrus]

^

[stoic snow]

i’m just memeing because i think this debate it pretty dumb

it’s always gonna be a chore

why would a game that is built so heavily around grinding not be chore like

[neat dove]

It's good for creating reasons to get people to play, and creates a way to make things feel more rewarding for players, but at the same time always makes it feel worse when you do miss out on things if you actually wanted them

[stoic snow]

getting on to get a unit or do anything in the game is chore like

you have to do work to get a reward

otherwise you’re missing out

that’s just the basic principle of td games

there’s really no other way for them to do this

[granite walrus]

Please pyseph Make all starter cards spawn in at the beginning of a match not just 3 I beg of you

🥺

[stoic snow]

they could just not give out the rrs

[stoic snow]

just restart twin

[granite walrus]

Qol

[neat dove]

we should just remove traits so that nobody ever has to worry about balancing the reroll economy

[stoic snow]

minor inconvenience

[neat dove]

[stoic snow]

nope

i only play to gamble

[granite walrus]

Game takes like 10 seconds to restart

[stoic snow]

just make the game a slot machine

then i’d call off work to play

[rugged viper]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-reddit-gambling-slot-machine-poky-reddit-pokie-gif-15930312603982781181

[stoic snow]

no matter what way you put it

[granite walrus]

Who’s more of a vamp you or auric

[stoic snow]

getting on the game in order to get something will always be chore like

[junior oracle]

what is this supposed to mean 😭

[stoic snow]

it’s what you make out of it that makes it any different

play with friends

[rugged viper]

auric just has the tag because its our dev server's tag

[stoic snow]

do something to make the game enjoyable

[granite walrus]

But auric got aura

[stoic snow]

of course you would say that twin

look at your name

[junior oracle]

pyseph have there ever been any planned changes for pvp?

[neat dove]

do you think pvp is forever staying in its awful state

[granite walrus]

Everyone says ts bro not just me

[neat dove]

[junior oracle]

i dont know, which is why im asking lol

i just mean if theres any gonna be changes soon

keyword soon

[stoic snow]

just make pvp a battlegrounds game in which you play as your owned units

boom problem solved

where’s my invite to the dev team?

i’ve got fire ideas like this all week long

[junior oracle]

ideas that are gonna be a pain in the butt to implement

[granite walrus]

Make all starter cards spawn in at the beginning of a match not just 3

This is a good idea

[stoic snow]

nuh uh

chat gpt the code

easy to implement twin

just gotta think inside the box

[granite walrus]

[umbral forum]

is this suggestion still going

vanguards arent always gonna be top meta

[granite walrus]

Bc everyone was complaining that there was no power creep bc there wasn’t

[umbral forum]

bad wording

[granite walrus]

Not they made the past 3 upd units broken

[umbral forum]

vanguards arent gonna be top meta forever

[granite walrus]

One is rn tho

[umbral forum]

@neat dove have you seen the schedule tab concept?

[stoic snow]

power creep

[umbral forum]

power creep man power creep

[stoic snow]

people complained that there wasn’t enough of it

now they power creep and people complain

[marsh scroll]

nobody do, we always pray for it to get deleted for the greater good

[neat dove]

just like odyssey, so true

[stoic snow]

don’t delete odyssey

[mighty arrow]

Who even plays pvp

[spiral moat]

Odyssey was the worst idea ever

[mighty arrow]

Pvp exists

[stoic snow]

deruta is my most placed unit

don’t delete my gem baby

[spiral moat]

i prefer pvp over odyssey

[lofty stag]

pvp and odyssey are both ass

[neat dove]

no no, its okay

we just delete limitless

[spiral moat]

bring BACK PARAGONSSSSSSS

[neat dove]

and i get to full rework journey

[mighty arrow]

Agreed

[stoic snow]

nope

how else would i get gems

[lofty stag]

locking byeken behind pvp is the dumbest decision ever 😭

[mighty arrow]

Limitless carries odyssey mode

[neat dove]

the rest of the game

smile

[stoic snow]

i simply won’t allow it

[neat dove]

hear me out, it would've been fine if it was just playing matches

locking it behind pvp wins was the awful part

[spiral moat]

Maybe if it was js less matches

[mighty arrow]

That girl was meta for 1-2 upds and fell off

Not hard fell off

[lofty stag]

they expecting me to win against the 50 monarch demons

[mighty arrow]

But had better units to replace her

[mighty arrow]

Traitless exists twinnado 😂✌️

[spiral moat]

twins not finding a match in traitless

[lofty stag]

but then its boring as shit and it would take 1-2 business days to find someone to play with

[lofty stag]

traited pvp is also boring

[chilly flume]

😡

[mighty arrow]

Didnt know ion even play it