chore vangaurds

[prisma ingot]

dont bother

they cant read 😭

[silk merlin]

reading comprehension skills in the gutters

[keen meteor]

sorry but im not going through your 1000 message suggestion to find the one time you explained it to someone

[silk merlin]

its in the main suggestion

[keen meteor]

obviously not

[sleek trail]

these events are just filler content to keep ccu up while anni is getting finished

[sleek trail]

won't complain about free rerolls for minimal amount of work

[keen meteor]

all he said is "make it 1 stage instead of several"

like they'd ever do that

[prisma ingot]

sigh

[keen meteor]

especially since all the ways you are getting the rrs are for different things originally

the rrs are just a bonus after you obtain that thing

[sleek trail]

i wouldn't mind 1 stage if it was preset units like trails or old astd raids where it's actually somewhat difficult but you get 20 coins in a single clear

[keen meteor]

they wouldnt ever do that though

[dusk steeple]

i keep getting timed out for saying the m slur bro

[silk merlin]

server is extremely soft

having a regular discussion is hard for no reason

idk why they treat ts like theres 9 year olds in the server

[sleek trail]

maybe for one vf it would be good to have it be different

[keen meteor]

dev payouts got recently changed so devs are encouraged to have players on the game for 45+ minutes a day

[silk merlin]

its required youre above 13 to be on discord btw

[junior oracle]

theyre not fun to do

[keen meteor]

and these events are directly representing that, which is a welcome change for most ppl cuz its less than an hour for 55 rrs daily

[keen meteor]

they arent meant to be?

its literally busywork

[junior oracle]

theyre the only content we're being given while waiting 4 weeks for the update, they offer the most resources out of anything in the entire game, but theyre not fun

[junior oracle]

and you dont see how thats a problem?

[keen meteor]

as far as i can tell the next vf will just be "complete 300 waves with the unit equipped"

[dusk steeple]

as i was saying

[keen meteor]

would you prefer absolutely no content at all?

cuz thats mostlikely the only alternative

[dusk steeple]

well lets say the average vanguardian sleeps 7-8 hours a day, then wakes up and goes to school for 8 hours a day, its around 14-15 hrs of m@cro a day if youre away from home the entire time (in terms of american school hours)

finally no time out

[junior oracle]

🤦‍♂️

[silk merlin]

I think the issue is more that they give way too good rewards for you to even think about missing a day

[keen meteor]

either you get busywork rewarding content or none at all

[keen meteor]

thats quite literally the intention

they get more benefits from roblox for doing it this way

[silk merlin]

why would you defend behaviour like that 💔

[dusk steeple]

no point people will complain about anything

[silk merlin]

huh?

[dusk steeple]

more rrs is bad

[keen meteor]

rewarding daily logins for at least 25+ minutes directly benefits them

[dusk steeple]

less rrs is bad

wtf do we want people

[keen meteor]

thats a new thing roblox added recently

[silk merlin]

he basically just agreed the intention is something bad

[dusk steeple]

intention that they want roblox benefits?

[keen meteor]

its not bad from their perspective, and it shouldnt be from yours either

[dusk steeple]

im pretty sure this has been obviosu for a while

[keen meteor]

would you prefer higher effort events but delayed updates?

i know i wouldnt

[dusk steeple]

with every single developer on the platform with goals of being successful

yes they will factor in what brings more players to their game

[keen meteor]

and keeps them there for 25+ minutes

[dusk steeple]

dont know how this is anything new

[silk merlin]

gang id rather just not hop on the game and wait for a update

[keen meteor]

(which is what events do)

boss bounties was the initial attempt at meeting this 25+ minute requirement, but that obviously didnt work cuz it was so unrewarding

so now we have events instead

[silk merlin]

there are things you can add to your game which isnt predatory and still bring more players in btw

[dusk steeple]

well op is complaining about fomo which is complete bs

[keen meteor]

fr

[dusk steeple]

if you treat this game like a chore then expect it to be like a chore

lmfao

[junior oracle]

its not bs. every new vanguard familiar means 250 rerolls

[dusk steeple]

ok?

so if you want the rrs then grind them

if you dont want them then dont grind them

[silk merlin]

but it is a chore

[dusk steeple]

so simple

[keen meteor]

this is a downside how?

[junior oracle]

oh my god

[keen meteor]

if you dont want to get free rrs then dont play

whats the problem

[silk merlin]

youre kinda getting set back a bunch of rerolls for not wanting to play content that isnt new

[prisma ingot]

yall all buns

[junior oracle]

dont even bother talking to me if you dont understand what im talking about

[keen meteor]

you arent getting "set back" any

[dusk steeple]

i dont understand how you hate the fact that vf quests give rerolls

[keen meteor]

what

[prisma ingot]

theres other ways btw of getting people to stay on the game

[dusk steeple]

holy shit we are devolving

[prisma ingot]

nobody ever said this btw

[keen meteor]

there is no such thing as getting "set back" in terms of bonus currency, its not like its actively taking something from you

you just arent earning it

[dusk steeple]

figure of speech implemented

you think its a chore to grind out rerolls from the shop

then just dont grind them out?

[prisma ingot]

you js using big words bro

[keen meteor]

that's called missing out

[prisma ingot]

im saying change how we get said rerolls

[keen meteor]

which missing out is a integral part of anime tower defense games

[prisma ingot]

it doesnt have to be repeatable stages

[keen meteor]

thats why limited things exist

[dusk steeple]

middle school words = big words now

yes we are devolving

yes we are vangaurdians

[prisma ingot]

youre using big words to make your points sound more immediate 💔

[dusk steeple]

immidiate

[keen meteor]

cant even spell immediate correctly

[junior oracle]

its absolutely stupid that the most rerolls we've ever seen is locked behind dog shit events and repetitive quests. its not fun to hop on the game at this moment because it forces you to play an hour everyday for the resources.

its slop content and this is how it feels when i hop on to play for the past 3 weeks

[dusk steeple]

thats exactly what i was doing!

[prisma ingot]

cmon buddy

[keen meteor]

then dont hop on

simple as that

[prisma ingot]

idc WHAT you guys think

the more you argue

[junior oracle]

i literally havent touched the obito event because its dog shit

[prisma ingot]

the more upvotes this gets

so keep at it

[dusk steeple]

WHAT LOOOOL

[keen meteor]

they want players to log on and play for 25+ minutes, they are getting that, so they arent going to change it

[dusk steeple]

LOCKED BEHIND EVENTS HOW

ITS 5 RUNS WITH OBITO

[keen meteor]

good for you, the vast majority of people are

[dusk steeple]

😭

😭 😭

[junior oracle]

60 people are complaining about the obito quest you moron

[keen meteor]

5 easy runs a day for 20 rrs and u just refuse to do it 💔

[junior oracle]

look at the suggestion youre talking in

[keen meteor]

closer to 55 but aight

[junior oracle]

if it wasnt an issue why are there this many people agreeing

[keen meteor]

this isnt actually that many people

[dusk steeple]

YES we are vangaurdians
NO we can't be grateful for anything
YES we hate our own devs

[junior oracle]

im not grateful for slop content thats correct

i dont hate any developers

[keen meteor]

the other suggestion that was just "stop doing 25 stages for events" got over 100 stars in 6 hours, while this one isnt even at 60

[dusk steeple]

whats the difference between slop content and good content can you tell me

[prisma ingot]

bump

[keen meteor]

there is no real different in ATDs 💔

[dusk steeple]

saying bump as if your suggestion isnt active with people rn

oh my god

[junior oracle]

i hope you realize that the suggestion youre referring too is the exact same as this one, so youre just proving my own point

[keen meteor]

hes literally saying bump while people are typing and replying to eachother

its kinda funny

[dusk steeple]

vangaurdians

[keen meteor]

not at all?

how are 5 stages = 25?

people wanted variety

they got variety

this suggestion isnt about variety

its just complaining

[dusk steeple]

op wants 20 rrs daily for doing one run

[keen meteor]

you do realize that if they end up doing this, they'd make it 1 run of a gamemode that takes 30+ minutes to complete, right?

[dusk steeple]

"b-b-but op said it was banned elements and it was a little hard"
and he also said low levels could do it!!!

[keen meteor]

aint no way

"a little hard" "low levels could do it" ok so not hard at all

[dusk steeple]

lmfao

[keen meteor]

contradicting sentence

[junior oracle]

we got "variety" but its the exact same thing but its even worse. obitos familiar released while gilgamesh event is still going on, and a few days ago the "clear 25 stages" event also came back. so basically, they're wasting another 25 minutes of our time for the obito familiar because we're just gonna hop back on odyssey for the other events anyway

[keen meteor]

nobody is "wasting" your time dude, if you dont want to do it then just dont do it, you are getting REWARDED for playing the game, there are no punishments for not playing

[junior oracle]

thats why im skipping out on obito missions, its another waste of 25 minutes so im not bothering

[dusk steeple]

LOL

[junior oracle]

i never said its not a bad reward its just not fun to play

[keen meteor]

its not a "waste of time" when nobody is forcing you to do it 💔

its not smth thats locking an integral part of progression or a cool unit

[junior oracle]

every vanguard familiar event has been slop

and thats all we've been getting for 3 weeks

[keen meteor]

its literally just a boring obito familiar or rrs

[sick crown]

AV in general is a waste of time, if you think about it

[meager aurora]

community never even knows what it wants

[prisma ingot]

no its not

[keen meteor]

which is exactly what they are meant to be?

its filler slop content

easy to make and boring to play

but keeps ccu high

[dusk steeple]

game wants me to do 5 runs for 20 rrs, its too much so im gonna complain about it instead of just not doing it

[junior oracle]

and thats the fucking issue, what dont you understand?

[prisma ingot]

gosh these elite roles are coocoo

[keen meteor]

there is no issue?

[sick crown]

Av almost below 40 k rn

[keen meteor]

i'd prefer boring slop content that doesnt delay release over more interesting content that does

[silk merlin]

aw HELL nah

this one has to be ragebait

[dusk steeple]

would be much lower without these events you guys label as "slop"

[keen meteor]

Als is below 34k rn

whats the significance?

[junior oracle]

they are slop

vanguard familiars as a whole are slop

[keen meteor]

fully agree

stupid concept entirely

[sick crown]

AV has other Standarts

[keen meteor]

but i dont mind the free rrs

[meager aurora]

25 minutes for those and then another 20 for odyssey then an hour for bounty then so around 1h 45 minutes daily if you wanna maximize rerolls

[silk merlin]

theres no way you deadass just said youd rather something you ADMIT is boring you instead of something thats fun

[keen meteor]

less than an hour a day for 55 rrs

[silk merlin]

thats gotta be ragebait right?

[keen meteor]

i'd make that deal

[dusk steeple]

which can all be done with magro

either way its not required for progression so

[keen meteor]

something thats fun but delays an even more fun update? yea ill pass, just give me the more fun update sooner

[dusk steeple]

again youre just bringing up fomo which is in your mind so

[sick crown]

AV wanted to make content, that doesn't promote mangros

[dusk steeple]

cant really argue with psychosis

[meager aurora]

"just give me the more fun update sooner"

[echo depot]

yeah this is fair, i dont think anyone actually enjoys playing av rn, especially if your endgame 🥀

[meager aurora]

what am i reading

[dusk steeple]

since when?

[sick crown]

Since ever

[silk merlin]

since ex stages?

[dusk steeple]

when??

[prisma ingot]

these 2 are js ragebaiting atp

[keen meteor]

making the VFs obtainment these guy's definition of fun would cost a lot of effort and time, thus delaying the actual update's release

[dusk steeple]

only ex stage that can not be magroed is gg

[granite walrus]

Damn near every stage is 🥭 but gg and nobody plays Ts

[silk merlin]

why would you need to 🥭 ex stages

[junior oracle]

do you know how stupid you look when you try making our points look invalid when you dont even participate in these events yourself?

[dusk steeple]

idk you brought it up

lmao

[keen meteor]

he doesnt know

[silk merlin]

other than griffith

[silk merlin]

huh

you asked since when

i told you when??

are you slow

[keen meteor]

you definitely CAN 🥭 the gg ex stage

[meager aurora]

so they want the vf familiar obtainment to be fun through some means but its would delay the update from the devs having to do whatever that is

[sick crown]

Tell that to the dev team. They were yapping about making content that you can't mangro

[dusk steeple]

if no one needs to magro ex stages then why would they purposely make it unable to magro??

are YOU slow??

[pulsar pebble]

Can yall stop reacting with this

[keen meteor]

essentially yes, im just saying i'd much rather have a sooner full update rather than some filler VF slop that delays it by 2 days each time one releases

[granite walrus]

That been making stuff more mangro able than ever rn

[dusk steeple]

and either way there are some magros out there that can actually do that ex stage

with the right units

[keen meteor]

cuz VFs themselves are slop

i hate getting any of them tbh, the only positive is the free rrs

[junior oracle]

absolute dumbass

[steel elbow]

We love slop

[keen meteor]

thats why we play ATDs :)

[steel elbow]

Yes WE

[dusk steeple]

as if you havent reacted with the same emoji on all my responses so far

😭

[prisma ingot]

its him and his buddy

[steel elbow]

Exactly

[sick crown]

Prolly because everyone was crying about the ex stages

[granite walrus]

Av has the most pp mangroing rn than ever

[keen meteor]

i do not know this man

[keen meteor]

idk about that

[silk merlin]

what reason did you ever have to 🥭 AOT and GG

[granite walrus]

Nah gg was just hard asf

[junior oracle]

you dont offer anything to the conversation, you just say stupid shit without substance

[keen meteor]

half hourlies and boss bounties

[silk merlin]

???

[granite walrus]

Wit events yes

[silk merlin]

were talking about the ex stage bro

[sick crown]

Can't really talk about that. My monarch yhwach clapped it

[keen meteor]

ah in that case... no reason :D

[dusk steeple]

eren, and griffith, no reason to magro gg which is what i said earlier

[silk merlin]

eren??/

[echo depot]

its clearly not doing that considering the decline av's seen

the berserk/db updates had ~100k (i believe 8.5 had 130k on release), now we're getting down to 40k, which isnt bad, but the decline is definitely there

the main issue is that people don't feel the need to even log onto get the rrs, especially after they split it up and increased the grind an exponential degree (from 30m to an hour and thirty minutes, if you do all the quests first try, and if you can do obito's stage in under 6 minutes)

you dont even really need rrs anymore as long as you have one of the newer vanguards (or really anyone in upper meta) monarched, since they're not scaling difficulty either

what would be better is if these VFs actually had hard stages that you could grind repeatedly (not time locked, maybe you could have bonus rewards for the first three comps in a day though) that are actually hard and more creative

@junior belfry had a suggestion where it was an EX Stage for Gilgamesh, and while it was mainly to bring Gilgamesh back from being unobtainable, it still gave the quest (which was boring in the actual game) new life, and from the concept itself, seemed fun to play

thats just imo

[silk merlin]

bro its 10 runs MAX for 1 eren

[dusk steeple]

what have you contributed so far

[keen meteor]

to be fair eren is legit 10 runs for pity, idk about allat

[granite walrus]

Had 3 monarchs when it first came out got dropped

[silk merlin]

there was zero reason to 🥭 him

[dusk steeple]

shiny hunting and you also need 2 eres

[steel elbow]

Tldr pretty please

[dusk steeple]

erens

[silk merlin]

thats still 20 runs MAX he also had a 10% drop chance dude

[dusk steeple]

had? what happened to his drop chance

[dusk steeple]

my poitn still stands that people shiny hunt for that nice ass model

[echo depot]

games declining replace the vfs with fun things that arent just repetition every day (quests could even cycle to different things each day), make the quests harder or less repetitive, people dont actually want to grind the rrs since the game is too easy, which is why we see the ccu declining

[dusk steeple]

and collection in general

[silk merlin]

its still 10% i said had because the whole aot update is in the past now

[junior oracle]

i told you why i dont like the events, why they're slop, why they're not fun to play, and how its bad how the most resources we've ever seen is locked behind these events

[dusk steeple]

and i responded to all your shitty points with common sense

feel free to review the things i said if youre confused

[junior oracle]

you didnt

[sick crown]

Ong, monarch is just for flexing or tournaments rn

[dusk steeple]

.

[silk merlin]

Ex stages still promoted 🥭 ing less with the smaller pity and higher drop chances

saying shiny hunting doesnt dispute that fact

[junior oracle]

the only thing im confused about is how you're so stupid

[dusk steeple]

okay, can you say the same thing about that iced tea stage?

[steel elbow]

[echo depot]

these VFs are good for their purpose (easy content that gives players something to do), but they're also bad since it isnt permanent content that you can grind out, its time locked

[dusk steeple]

i mean there was no motive to rid the game of magros when adding that

if you deny that youre ignorant

[dusk steeple]

good argument whats your next insult

[junior oracle]

what is your argument exactly? do you like these events?

[silk merlin]

the entire motive was so that you WOULDNT HAVE to play portals not to decrease 🥭 use

[dusk steeple]

funny how im not contributing anything to the "debate" but all you have said was "you so dumb you make no sense ahahaha"

[silk merlin]

limited events will always be slop made primarily to keep you playing long

even with pity

[dusk steeple]

???

[steel elbow]

I like vfamiliars tho

Every time i boot up limitless odyssey to do the quest i start questioning life decisions and then take a break from the game

[dusk steeple]

but the mode legit gave more iced teas and was available to people who just had tiny task

did that not promote magros at all??

[sick crown]

[dusk steeple]

whether it be intentional or not

you arent making sense bro

[silk merlin]

huh

i literally said you were right

gang

are you just smoking

do you wanna be negative abt everything or sum

[echo depot]

stages should get harder when they add more popular animes that have characters that are popular

issue w/ gg is that it was super hard and unknown, if Byeken was replaced with like Deku, Denji, Tanjiro, etc. im sure a lot less people wouldve complained

[dusk steeple]

.

[keen meteor]

the decline is there cuz they delayed the update without giving an estimate by how much, people are saying the update is anywhere from this weekend/next week all the way to 3 weeks from now

they increased the grind from 30 minutes to an hour and thirty minutes because you are getting 3x the rewards, what'd you expect to happen? 3x the rewards but no extra time commitment?

"you dont even really need rrs anymore" then dont play and get them? nobody is forcing you to play the update

the biggest problem with vfs having hard unique and creative stages is the time it takes to make them, that time could be used to develop the actual update, and would thus cause a delay in the update schedule which people would hate much more

and seeming fun to play versus actually being fun to play are two wildly different things, people thought that odyssey seemed fun to play on its release, but now its probably the most disliked gamemode in the game, there is essentially no difference except the amount of work being put into it for completing 3 daily things that each take 8-12 minutes than 25 things that each take 40 seconds, its a net neutral (or negative) time commitment for equivalent rewards that also gets repetitive cuz you're doing it every day for 2 weeks straight, while also delaying the update by 1-2 days per VF

[abstract geode]

no people are just crybabies

[dusk steeple]

we arent agreeing on the same point here idk what youre talking about

[abstract geode]

i never found ex hard

[steel elbow]

Tldr pretty please

[silk merlin]

i agreed with you that the LTM wasnt created to decrease 🥭 use??

[dapper flax]

Yap

[keen meteor]

responding to the wall of text he wrote with another wall of text

[silk merlin]

but ex stages were??

how do you not understand something so simple

is common sense really not common?

[prisma ingot]

they arguing to make the game worse

[abstract geode]

scoobert

[prisma ingot]

they love doing boring stuff

[prisma ingot]

hai

[dusk steeple]

so why did you bridge off the other guys argument that stated that devs wanted to ultimately decease magro use

[prisma ingot]

genuinely what are you arguing for

do you like doing boring stuff or what

[dusk steeple]

im not talking to you bro 😭

[junior oracle]

arguing just to argue

[prisma ingot]

why do you like being slaved away

[junior oracle]

@dusk steeple do you like these events?

[steel elbow]

Cuz yk

[prisma ingot]

for an hour

[dusk steeple]

im trying to understand what this guys saying because i genuinely dk

[junior oracle]

do you like the events

[granite walrus]

Play for a hour a day and repeat 😭

[junior oracle]

because i dont know why you disagree with anyone here still

[prisma ingot]

y'all yiddling js to yoddle 🤣✌️

[silk merlin]

i feel like ontop of that gg ex was just buns because monarchs werent as common as it is now and it was basically unsoloable so tryna get a team to do it with when you were broke was torture

[keen meteor]

the general concept? yes. VF ones? no. but thats just cuz i hate VFs as a concept not because they feel bad to do

[dusk steeple]

i dont like the act of doing them but I think they are definitely a good thing from the standpoint that im getting rewards for minimal effort, and i dont view it as a chore i see it more as something I "grind" to build my team, which makes me feel accomplished

if thats too hard for you to interpret then im sorry for you

[prisma ingot]

i just love wasting my time so much doing 50 stages on repeat

i love it soooo much

give me moreee

[silk merlin]

because they were slowly adding things to promote 🥭 s less, you just provided a point where they were heading into the right and wrong direction at the same time and i agreed with it

[dusk steeple]

again, not a waste of time if you DONT have to do it

[keen meteor]

these dudes are legit complaining over daily 55 rrs in under an hour 💔

[dusk steeple]

LOL

[dusk steeple]

😭

[prisma ingot]

but if you DON'T do it you're wasting your TIME

[keen meteor]

what

[prisma ingot]

what do you think this suggestion is for

[keen meteor]

how does

huh?

[granite walrus]

It’s not the rr it’s the fact that’s all in the game there is to do

[prisma ingot]

genuinely tell me

[dusk steeple]

yeah we have lost the plot

[abstract geode]

i genuinely would rather have fun doing it then have better rewards

[prisma ingot]

what's this suggestion for

[dusk steeple]

YES we are vanguardians

[keen meteor]

"if you dont do something you're wasting your time" huh???

[dusk steeple]

?????

[prisma ingot]

am i asking to make the reroll drops lower ?

[dusk steeple]

snoobert hang up the coat its time to quit av

[silk merlin]

ngl gang this one doesnt make senes

[prisma ingot]

🤣✌️

[keen meteor]

how does not doing something waste your time?

[sick crown]

Legit the only thing to do in Av

[granite walrus]

Fr

[prisma ingot]

you're gonna have to get those rerolls back in the future anyways so why not do it now instead of in the future if you catch my drift

[dusk steeple]

@prisma ingot

[prisma ingot]

dillying just to dally

yoddling js to yiddle

🤣✌️

[keen meteor]

fr, its literally just free rewards that u can do pretty quick, idk why he wants it to be some form of "unique content" that will get boring after the 3rd out of 14 days anyway

[prisma ingot]

wait guys I want to have fun while playing this game is that allowed?!

[dusk steeple]

snoobert i think its time you delete your suggestion

[keen meteor]

thats what actual updates are for

not VF events

[echo depot]

its from 3 weeks from now, and while that is a major factor, its been stated before that VFs are meant to curve that issue, which they clearly havent been doing by the continued lack of decline that's been growing day after day, its understandable that the ccu is going down, but its going down at an incredibly fast rate when the familiars are supposed to be "a solution" to the long update issue, if they're not working, then they should be subsitiuted for something else

your not actually getting 3x the rewards at all, gilgamesh + tengen were running at the same time and you could do both at the same time (i do admit that now we have decadence, but if that was when gilgamesh + tengen was running, you could do all 3 at once and get it done within 30 stages/~30-35m

nobody playing the update isnt good for their ccu, and a lot more people are at that point than you might realize due to how easy they made the new updates, which isnt bad, but its not a great feeling for people who dunked a lot of time on the game, i want to play the new updates and get the familiars for my characters, but the grind feels more like a chore than a video game, and the buffs (sometimes, gilgamesh ) dont even feel impactful, while other times they feel far too overtuned (sukuna)

thats a fair point, thats like the one issue with replacing them, but i feel like they could've done something like the elemental trials, just focused around a unit (for example, Gilgamesh couldve had a EX stage with a hyperbuffed boss and that one map)

this part was right (odyssey is pretty decent but doing it so much is agonizingly bad), but the new quests do NOT take 8-12m per, 1 single match of obito's quest takes ~5-6m (if your focusing, maybe its shorter if you have monarch, i dont), aizen's take the same amount, and so does gilgamesh's

tengen & gilgamesh was a good example of it being sloppy but fine since you could do both at once, now you have to do 3x the work

[dusk steeple]

you wanna have fun while actively playing an atd

oh my god

[keen meteor]

proof of that 3 weeks from now statement?

[echo depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nazuna-nanakusa-call-of-the-night-yofukashi-no-uta-nazuna-nanakusa-gif-26407867

[keen meteor]

just as a precursor

[prisma ingot]

this thread frying me 🤣✌️

[keen meteor]

or is that purely speculation

[prisma ingot]

how are you guys arguing for the sake of making the game worse

[dusk steeple]

@prisma ingot theres a difference between fun and dopamine/accomplishment, although they can bounce off of each other

[prisma ingot]

im crineeee

[dusk steeple]

if you wanna have fun go play skylanders or some shit

[hasty lotus]

wtf are u guys talking about

[echo depot]

pyseph said the update would be an incredibly long time away at the beginning of the month, most of the youtubers put it at 3-4 weeks

i shouldve specified that it was a placeholder date since not even the devs know when it is, most people think based on pyseph's statement that it'll be at the end of the month or the beginning of november tho

[prisma ingot]

they think im saying to reduce the rerolls we get apparently

when I'm just saying make it shorter but harder to achieve the rerolls we already get

[hasty lotus]

do u guys play this game to feel u accomplish smth

[dusk steeple]

not at all

nope

[echo depot]

yk what would be good

[dusk steeple]

idk if its a lack of reading comprehension but you are one smart individual

[echo depot]

just have the quests and what to do change everyday, atleast for the first 5 days

[sick crown]

And these 3 to 4 weeks will be filled with vf quests

[silk merlin]

hopefully not

[prisma ingot]

devs too lazy for this

[silk merlin]

its getting too oversaturated

[echo depot]

25 stages 1 day
5 stages that are specified the 2nd day
evo/summon the 3rd day
idk for the 4th
idk for the 5th

[prisma ingot]

joke btw

[granite walrus]

Nah just don’t wanna get on play for a hour and repeat

[hasty lotus]

js dont play then

i dont even play

[prisma ingot]

fomoooo

[silk merlin]

we shouldve max gotten like 2 vfs PER UPDATE to bring older units back into meta

[dusk steeple]

snoobert your whole argument is driven off of fear of missing out

you have made NO OTHER points

[prisma ingot]

yeah

[hasty lotus]

only rsn im getting on is bc im tryna get that aizen skin

[granite walrus]

Ion either just saying it

[dusk steeple]

absolutely none

[echo depot]

once we get cha hae in familiar CANCEL them

[sleek trail]

there’s not a lot to magro regardless, the progress ur gonnna make in that time is not useful to fry your computer over

[prisma ingot]

apparently it was meant to be every .0 update

[keen meteor]

ok so that's just what we call pure speculation lol, youtubers have just as much of a clue about the release date than we do (absolutely none)

[dusk steeple]

depending on your end goal, there is ALOT to magro in this game

[prisma ingot]

tbf oddesey is good preparation

[hasty lotus]

if u dont enjoy it then why do it

[dusk steeple]

whether it be chasing god birb or collecting

[keen meteor]

just cuz "most people believe something" doesnt make it true

[hasty lotus]

even if its fomo

[echo depot]

can you respond to my actual points instead of nitpicking a singular thing that had no correlation to the main argument, i was trying to clarify the estimates the devs have set for the estimate since i didnt know if you knew or not

[dusk steeple]

you can find anything to magro

[prisma ingot]

that's why im saying to make it enjoyable

[keen meteor]

im just getting that one out of the way first

and its not estimates the devs have set 💀

its estimates the community has set

[granite walrus]

Bro the fact that are giving a lot of sneaks is like a give away that it’s gonna take a while

[echo depot]

"an extremely long time" isnt 1-2 weeks gng

[sleek trail]

not to the point where it makes a significant difference between you and an endgame player who doesn’t

[keen meteor]

we have gotten 2 sneaks my man...

[dusk steeple]

what would be enjoyable for 20 rrs but at the same time fair

[junior oracle]

"me like my slop because good award"

when all of us have been saying that the rewards are insanely good, but theres several issues

1. the rewards ARE an issue. there is WAYYYYYY TOO MUCH. the most we've ever seen in this game, but why are they locked behind events? why are they time gated? why do only these events get these resources but aren't spread out across other modes?

2. its the only content we've been getting for nearly a whole MONTH, and as an endgame player i have nothing else to do. all there is are these events, but i (and a lot of people) dont have the energy or the time to be playing these annoying events for an hour every day. im not gonna get mad at you for being fine with it, but its very inconvenient for most of us, and that's where our disagreement is.

3. the events have only been getting worse, and less fun to play. when there was the sukuna and gojo familiar, there was also the reoccurring decadence event(i dont know what its called) and all you had to do was play odyssey for 30 minutes, and you got 60 rerolls. now, the obito familiar, the gilgamesh familiar, and the decadence event, make you play for an hour for the same amount. its REALLY annoying.

[keen meteor]

and where was that stated

[dusk steeple]

one sec gotta put this into chat gpt

holy shit

[hasty lotus]

would lowk take a lot of time but i can see it happen. doing normal quests is boring asf so theyd have to implement new mechanics to make events fun

[echo depot]

let me go find where pyseph said it 1 sec

[keen meteor]

better not show me a screenshot from a youtube video

[prisma ingot]

which can be done

[granite walrus]

How many is normal and we got 3

[prisma ingot]

the content every update is lackluster

[prisma ingot]

they're carried by the events

ccu stays cause of the events

[dusk steeple]

you have reitterated what snoob has said multiple times bro

[keen meteor]

2 unique messages, thats 2 sneaks, just cuz one happened to have 2 images of the same unit doesnt mean its 3 sneaks lol

[echo depot]

my snipping tool sucks but

[prisma ingot]

now if we have the same repeating events for nearly 2 months what's there to expect

[sick crown]

The content in most updates takes a max of 3 days to finish lowkey

[junior oracle]

because me and snoob agree

[prisma ingot]

ik

[hasty lotus]

can we get a tldr 😳

[keen meteor]

yea so thats from a youtube video...

[marsh scroll]

half day*

[keen meteor]

nice try but go again

[granite walrus]

It’s 2 completely different images 😭

[echo depot]

are you dumb

[prisma ingot]

He's repeated his point 10 different times 😭🤣✌️

crine

[prisma ingot]

he's ragebaiting you

[echo depot]

it doesnt matter if its from a youtube video he still said it, the reason i pulled it from a youtube video is because he said it in CC chat (a chat that none of us have access to)

[keen meteor]

i literally just fact checked that and couldnt find the message

[prisma ingot]

i wouldn't respond not worth the attention

[abstract geode]

scoobert

[prisma ingot]

hai

[echo depot]

it was in cc-chat

is why

[keen meteor]

hey so thats just what we can call fabricated information

[echo depot]

so your ragebaiting

alr

[keen meteor]

"its in a chat that most people cant access with very important information on the update but trust me guys its true"

[abstract geode]

is the statement wrong anyways

[junior oracle]

1. way too much awards to want to miss out on, and theres no reason for events to have this many
2. its very repetitive
3. quests have gotten more annoying to deal with

[abstract geode]

lmao

its obvious its true

even if he didnt say it its true

[echo depot]

yeah sometimes they give information to trusted individuals instead of just dumping it into general or announcements btw

they put a lot of stuff in cc-chat that arent mentioned in general

[granite walrus]

Bro av usually don’t even give sneaks like that

[keen meteor]

i wouldnt call the entirety of CCs trusted individuals but you do you

[keen meteor]

what?

[echo depot]

if you want other proof, they need to remodel 12 units due to dmca

if you know how long that takes then you can assume how long the delay will be

[abstract geode]

@keen meteor are you saying the update ISNT taking a long time??

[granite walrus]

They rarely give sneaks

[echo depot]

since they got hit with the strike at around that time

[dusk steeple]

for 1, the rewards in this game aren't "locked" behind anything, the game is easily progressable and in terms of a time gate, that really only refers to challenges, since events are plentiful in resources and pretty quick in terms of completion

2, there is always something to do, whether it be collect shinies, chase familiars, etc. Additionally, if you dont have any time then magros are just available (either way none of this stuff is required and you can always just PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME while waiting for new content) you are just basing your argument off of fomo

3, same thing i said for 2

[keen meteor]

im just saying doubling the update schedule over just models isnt realistic

[silk merlin]

nah i finished the past few updates content insanely fast

[abstract geode]

buddy its whats LITERALLY happening

[keen meteor]

"it needs 12 unit remodels so obviously that'll take them another 3 weeks" like bro what

[abstract geode]

you realize that most updates are delayed by models right

LMAO

[silk merlin]

and its getting worse because they genuinely believe that easier game = higher ccu

[granite walrus]

Anni upd is still huge without remodels 😭

[abstract geode]

guilty gear was delayed by a week because models werent done

[silk merlin]

but i have no incentive to get anythign newif my old stuff still aboslutely DECIMATES anything new

[prisma ingot]

just a matter of time untik ccu drops because game is too easy

and power creep is too much

[abstract geode]

and they didnt have 12 units come

[keen meteor]

12 models would NOT take 3 EXTRA weeks for the amount of modelers they have

[abstract geode]

😭

[hasty lotus]

it sucks but i think itll keep happening for at least a few more weeks since its easy to make and works okay at keeping players playing

[junior oracle]

"if game is slop just dont play it"

DO YOU NOT SEE THE FUCKING ISSUE STILL?

[silk merlin]

theyre remodling the entire game iirc

[abstract geode]

gg took an extra week just to get a normal amount of units btw

theyre doing more than 12 remodels btw

[silk merlin]

all anime models have to be remade

not maps just models

[granite walrus]

Plus a big ass anni upd

[dusk steeple]

if the game isnt meeting your standards in terms of content, then just wait and play a different game until new content releases*

[sick crown]

GG units had facial animations tho

[echo depot]

the remodels do take that long lmao

[dusk steeple]

dont take what i said out of context to make yourself look better

[echo depot]

its remodels + their vfxs since the vfxs usually use the unit models

[keen meteor]

hey so 12 models in 21 days for several modelers? yea no

[echo depot]

they have to draw, make sure its dmca approved, and then model the actual units before doing vfx

[abstract geode]

and gg had way less units than anniversary

[hasty lotus]

just wait? do things ever change if ppl do nothing but wait?

[echo depot]

you realize most updates are made months in advance (atleast conceptually & design), most of the time waiting is for models

[sudden pawn]

Why are we speaking on how long the devs take lol

[abstract geode]

and gg didnt have a dmca issue

[sudden pawn]

we dont know what’s happening over there

[echo depot]

this guy is nitpicking the first part of my argument against him and refuses to respond to any other points

[keen meteor]

its not really animations, closer to stop-motion

[abstract geode]

guy said the update isnt taking 5-6 weeks

[dusk steeple]

well if you DONT wanna grind events and you "have nothing else to do" then yeah idk what to tell you but wait..? and btw there is always something to do in this game, people just say theres nothing to do when there isnt a new vangaurd questline every week

[echo depot]

its from 3 weeks from now, and while that is a major factor, its been stated before that VFs are meant to curve that issue, which they clearly havent been doing by the continued lack of decline that's been growing day after day, its understandable that the ccu is going down, but its going down at an incredibly fast rate when the familiars are supposed to be "a solution" to the long update issue, if they're not working, then they should be subsitiuted for something else

your not actually getting 3x the rewards at all, gilgamesh + tengen were running at the same time and you could do both at the same time (i do admit that now we have decadence, but if that was when gilgamesh + tengen was running, you could do all 3 at once and get it done within 30 stages/~30-35m

nobody playing the update isnt good for their ccu, and a lot more people are at that point than you might realize due to how easy they made the new updates, which isnt bad, but its not a great feeling for people who dunked a lot of time on the game, i want to play the new updates and get the familiars for my characters, but the grind feels more like a chore than a video game, and the buffs (sometimes, gilgamesh ) dont even feel impactful, while other times they feel far too overtuned (sukuna)

thats a fair point, thats like the one issue with replacing them, but i feel like they could've done something like the elemental trials, just focused around a unit (for example, Gilgamesh couldve had a EX stage with a hyperbuffed boss and that one map)

this part was right (odyssey is pretty decent but doing it so much is agonizingly bad), but the new quests do NOT take 8-12m per, 1 single match of obito's quest takes ~5-6m (if your focusing, maybe its shorter if you have monarch, i dont), aizen's take the same amount, and so does gilgamesh's

tengen & gilgamesh was a good example of it being sloppy but fine since you could do both at once, now you have to do 3x the work

@keen meteor ignore the first part if you dont want to believe the delay then idc

[sick crown]

Wow

Tldr

[keen meteor]

im not refusing to respond to the other parts you goof, we are just still discussing the first part

[silk merlin]

but why though the first part isnt even that serious

[keen meteor]

lot of words

[echo depot]

i said that first part since i legitamently didnt know if you knew the update was majorily delayed, i already have stated previously that i shouldve put that the 3 weeks was an estimate

the first part doesnt even correlate that much to most of the other arguments

[keen meteor]

a community estimate*

[keen meteor]

just cuz its spreading potential misinfo

[echo depot]

can you just read the other parts instead of nitpicking an estimate that i was trying to give you

this is pathetic

[hasty lotus]

suggestions exist for a reason. if someone doesnt like something about the game then they can share their opinion on it

[keen meteor]

you cant give estimates when literally nobody knows the truth except pyseph

[dusk steeple]

and people are free to disagree and debate???

[abstract geode]

bro

THATS WHAT AN ESTIMATE IS

[echo depot]

i was wrong putting the 3 weeks, we just know it'll be a long delay, happy?

[abstract geode]

😭

[keen meteor]

nah what if i dont like their opinion though (jk)

[junior oracle]

but your point is "but me like my slop" when its not good for the game at all

[dusk steeple]

its the same 3 people cycling over the same arguments, lowkey melting my brain

[echo depot]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-grand-order-fgo-jalter-jeanne-d-arc-alter-gif-17889518462104352845

[dusk steeple]

nope, if you really cant listen and you take anything i say out of context then theres no point in debating you

[keen meteor]

not really a big problem tbh, just not a good thing to say especially in suggestions that a lot of people look at

anyway onto the wall and responding with a wall

uno momento

[echo depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397738646005747933/1418016426328985761/vm235e7m4spf1.gif

[dusk steeple]

also i can forward the exact message i sent saying how i didnt enjoy the act of doing the events, but i instead enjoyed the benefits I reaped from them and for that I couldnt view them as a "chore"

it takes a really simple mind to digest something like that

[hasty lotus]

yes but its only logical to give a proper reason as to why u disagree with them

[dusk steeple]

and I have

[hasty lotus]

idk ur rsn

[dusk steeple]

are we alergic to scrolling up

[junior oracle]

"but me like my slop" with extra steps

[hasty lotus]

theres so many messages im not gonna read em all

[abstract geode]

i like slop because i get bigger numbers

[dusk steeple]

repitition

[prisma ingot]

*allergic btw

[dusk steeple]

sorry minor spelling mistake

might as well execute me

[junior oracle]

yeah get out of here

[thorn tiger]

truth nuke suggestion

[prisma ingot]

whatever that means

is that good or bad

its good right

please say itsgood

[junior oracle]

yes

[thorn tiger]

yeah its good

[junior oracle]

its good

[thorn tiger]

ur lowkey right

AV has been more like a 9-5 ever since all the VFamiliar events came out

[junior oracle]

"truth nuke" is when youre making a very correct statement

[prisma ingot]

huzzah

[junior oracle]

gotta clock in daily for your pay check (rerolls)

[prisma ingot]

hooray

[abstract geode]

av community discovers that switching sides of the spectrum does nothing to fix the greater issue

[prisma ingot]

ok but atleast

after not logging in for 2 days

[maiden ruin]

Hopping on AV to complete Obito's event, Aizen's event, Gilgamesh's event and the 25 stages just so I can get 75 rerolls (this is peak gameplay and motivation)

[prisma ingot]

i got shiny monarch cid

[prisma ingot]

very detailed picture

[marsh scroll]

both sides are right
one prefer the current system because is simple and easy to do without the need of thinking

other side just want it to be like element influence where is actually unique and require brain
the issue is clear: people prefer sloop more than actual gameplay in it community

[prisma ingot]

i dont think thats what the first side is arguing icl

ive yet to find out what hte point of the other side is

[hasty lotus]

id rather play fun content than get rewarded with many things but both is better than 1. its like ag or arx u get so many rewards easily but its not fun playing the content imo

[abstract geode]

the slop only works for a bit

its not sustainable

[prisma ingot]

its not like i said nerf the rewards

[sick crown]

Look at als, best example

[dusk steeple]

that isnt really what any of us reasoned for but sure

[prisma ingot]

i said make the rewards more fun to get

[thorn tiger]

my little brother stopped grinding that shit like a solid week or two ago because he realized VFamiliars are slop content and so are the quest and hes 13 + primarily plays steal a brainrot so obviously his quality standard isnt very high

no clue how the greater community just sits back and accepts developer complacence + laziness just for some rerolls 💀

[dusk steeple]

✅

[prisma ingot]

the devs gonna ignore this too but its fine

[marsh scroll]

your suggestion of a change doesn't make it fun

[prisma ingot]

i never suggested a change

i suggested an example

[sick crown]

SAB lowkey more fun than AV rn 😭

[prisma ingot]

and what is happenign to the game right now

[marsh scroll]

the last part of your suggestion is a idea

[prisma ingot]

and how it feels

[prisma ingot]

an example of what we COULD do

[marsh scroll]

?

[marsh scroll]

yea

[prisma ingot]

i came up with that on the spot icl

[abstract geode]

my birb was annihilated by corruption 4

[sudden pawn]

ngl

[sudden pawn]

Make it where you need to beat gg ex 10 times to get 1 coin

[prisma ingot]

if that was corrupt 3 gg.

[prisma ingot]

even salvation talked in this thread

surely a dev notices it

[thorn tiger]

who

[marsh scroll]

corrupt 3 increase your stats, 4 add a element stat

[abstract geode]

corrrupt 3 should only be + not -

[echo depot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

[sudden pawn]

the guy from flash

[heady hinge]

it is

the - is for negative birb rolls and padoru

[abstract geode]

oh

i was told it was - too

i must be misremembering

[heady hinge]

its only - if its good for the fam or a negative birb roll

[abstract geode]

wow

[prisma ingot]

agreed

[abstract geode]

so i was just super unlucky

[keen meteor]

VFs are actually curving the ccu falloff, without them the falloff would have been much larger and faster, just look at other non-events/vanguard updates, they fell off much quicker than this update did. And speaking on a "substitution", it shouldn't be something that ends up delaying the actual update itself (which is what this suggestion would end up doing)

Just because you can do both at once before doesn't mean you are earning less now, we have to compare it individually, if this suggestion got implemented then we would end up getting them at the exact same pace we are getting them now (1 at a time and taking 25+ minutes each), so really its a net neutral time commitment but with more work for the developers (aka delaying update)

I wouldn't necessarily call 40k players "nobody", and also its not like we aren't playing the update, most people just finished the update, VF events are nothing but filler content, that was always the intention with them. VF events are NOT updates, closer to patches or mid-update rebalances/reworks. If you feel like the grind is a chore, then don't play it, its a 25 minute time commitment on 5 seperate days within a 14 day period to get the VF and you never have to do it again, that isn't bad at all, if you do decide to do it more frequently you get rewarded with premium currency. On the gilgamesh note, what'd you expect? That they'd make a limited unobtainable unit in top of meta? Sukuna is overtuned i'll agree with you there.

The obito quest is quite literally almost identical to elemental trials, but they obviously are going to make it some form of daily content, not a one time thing, its better for their ccu that way, what do you think would garner more players? On one hand we have a 1 time completable and on the other we have a 14 day event that gives 20 rrs a day or 5 days for a familiar? (obviously the 2nd one)

I wasn't saying that obito's quest takes 8-12m, im saying that the way this guy wants it implemented would.

1/2

[prisma ingot]

i know

[keen meteor]

Gilgamesh's is obviously the shortest one due to it being completable in odyssey, at only around 20 minutes instead of the 25+ it takes for the other 2. The reason its 3x the work now is directly caused by the community, we literally told them to not do the whole repetitive "complete 25 stages" thing, and they changed it and now y'all are complaining about it again? How does that make any sense?

[sick crown]

So basically a perfect birb is harder to get for no reason at all?

[abstract geode]

BRO I HAVE LIKE 4 MORE BIRBS THAT WERE RUINED BY CORRUPTION 4

[heady hinge]

huh

[abstract geode]

@prisma ingot LET ME SHOW ALL OF THEM HOLD UP

[heady hinge]

how does a perfect birb relate to that at all

[dim cypress]

Bro what

[prisma ingot]

oki dokes

[sick crown]

Explain what a negative birb roll is better pls

[abstract geode]

I HAD A 20% 25% CRIT AND 23% CHANCE AND 15 RANGE

AND I GOT CORRUPT 4!!!

[silk merlin]

c3 only makes a negative roll birb even worse

[sick crown]

Alr

[abstract geode]

😡

[silk merlin]

atleast thats what i got from that

[marsh scroll]

wasn't that c2

[abstract geode]

i hope all your godroll birbs DIE

😡

[prisma ingot]

nooooo

that wouldve been insane

[heady hinge]

funny
you think im grinding birbs😭

[prisma ingot]

i pray we ALL get godbirbs

[keen meteor]

only blackmarketers still do that 💔

once you get like 6 or 9 you don't need any more

[heady hinge]

or just regular traders
birb will prob be the most valuable thing

[sick crown]

Shiny diavolo enters chat

[abstract geode]

theyll be like

[keen meteor]

i could see kaguya also being up there just cuz of the mapwide damage and nuke

[abstract geode]

the only valuable thing

besides diavalo

[marsh scroll]

trading birb for 2 diavolos

[prisma ingot]

its gonna be bundles > very good birbs

[thorn tiger]

birbs ruined other familiars im not even gonna lie

[heady hinge]

0 util purely flex

[prisma ingot]

god birbs >> everything else

[keen meteor]

shiny diavolo will def be more expensive than a god birb

[abstract geode]

nah

[heady hinge]

eh when trading comes in 2030 she will have fallen off

[prisma ingot]

possibly

[abstract geode]

some familiars fill certain niches

[sudden pawn]

ass birb

[sick crown]

Birbs are the monarchs of familiars

[keen meteor]

i hope it gets cancelled

[heady hinge]

we both know that isnt happening

[abstract geode]

dmg reduction fam for tournaments and stuff

[keen meteor]

:(

dont ruin my dreams gmoney

[marsh scroll]

ruined the other familiars that focused on stats buffs

[abstract geode]

yeah

bro i just realized

what the fuck even is a birb

[keen meteor]

hey! strange cat is technically better :)

[marsh scroll]

i still use kon,padoru and the teddybear from gg

[thorn tiger]

why use any other familiar when you have a god birb 🥀

[heady hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cp0-cipher-pol-rob-lucci-lucci-lucci-one-piece-gif-27117456

[sick crown]

Op

LOL

[keen meteor]

you just have to win the lottery 8 times straight, simple right

[marsh scroll]

sleeping on padoru buffs

[abstract geode]

why is it in the cid update

???

😭

[heady hinge]

why is the smith cage a doflamingo birb cage

[sick crown]

Katakuri

[marsh scroll]

and fuu is good

[heady hinge]

prob cuz katakuri was the wl unit

[marsh scroll]

if you use supports

[keen meteor]

we dont ask these questions

[abstract geode]

oh

LOL

[sudden pawn]

exposed

[abstract geode]

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MOVE FROM CID

[sudden pawn]

one piece soon

[abstract geode]

i dont watch any shonen or shoujo or wtv theyre called

[heady hinge]

he does stuff with string but birdcage is straight up ripped from onepiece

[abstract geode]

the like action animes

ion even watch anime lol the only anime ive ever watched is jjk

[sick crown]

Watch Luffy look like his imposter version in Av

[abstract geode]

i just play atd games cuz theyre my version of gacha games

too addicting

[marsh scroll]

that shit is a scam

i always get c2

[keen meteor]

technicalities dont care

[thorn tiger]

strange cats shouldnt even be

limited

[sudden pawn]

skill issue

[abstract geode]

strange cats are not technically better

what

[echo depot]

i agree with that part, but its clear that the familiars arent helping as much as they could be, its clear (as seen from the support to this suggestion) that people arent really happy with how they currently are done, and how obito turned out. I understand though that it'd take a while for them to develop new modes, but some sort of change needs to happen, doesnt have to be new modes, that was just an example

your earning the same amount as before, but the time is longer. From what I've gathered from this suggestion, the OP just wants them all to be one gamemode, which would (likely, unless its a shop) dramatically cut time.

That's fair too, 40k ccu isnt low, but its definitely a fall off from where the update stayed for the first two weeks, which I suppose its not their fault. But the second part of this paragraph is really the issue I'm having with the familiars overall. Will some people not play content? Sure, but it's the fact that so many people aren't playing the new familiars or events thats the issue. Its clear people don't like them, why not try and change it and try something new? It can still be easy to make (for example, quests could change every day to something different) but just not as repetitive. I knew that Gilgamesh wasn't probably going to be amazing, but if they want to use the Limited Unit excuse, they could've just... locked shinies and reran him? I understand that would be controversial though, I just like gilgamesh and hate what they did for him 😔

the obito quest has you using the same meta for every attempt you do it, its not the same as elemental trials as your doing the same strategy each time, unlike elemental trials where your forced to use different teams. I didn't mean in my original argument to make it a one time thing, but rather a thing that isnt time locked, and rather supported the first few times each day, but your not locked out of it if you want to grind it out. Casual players (which they're appealing to) won't

[abstract geode]

whats the max dmg stat on them

[thorn tiger]

why would we drop a familiar that dependent on RNG and make them limited

[sudden pawn]

tldr

[keen meteor]

it TECHNICALLY is better (assuming u get the same chances as winning the lottery 8 times in a row)

[echo depot]

play the entire thing and instead wait

[abstract geode]

whats the max dmg stat

[keen meteor]

we should take this to dms atp lol

[sick crown]

They are trash compared to birbs

[echo depot]

i dont think we're ever going to agree, but i commend you for atleast responding well

[heady hinge]

57.5% not including the element buff

[knotty steeple]

????

[echo depot]

nah i dont think we're gonna agree , it was a nice argument tho

[knotty steeple]

Td games usually require strategy

[echo depot]

i do get ur point

[abstract geode]

wheres the 57.5 come from without the element

[echo depot]

vfs are supposed to be lazy so they're lazy

[marsh scroll]

td games yea

but it is a atd

[sudden pawn]

my turn for argument

[keen meteor]

like +52.5% dmg

[marsh scroll]

anime tower defense

[echo depot]

it sucks, and id like to see it changed, but its not a priority on the devs list from what ive seen

[thorn tiger]

developer cop-out excuse im not gonna lie

[heady hinge]

50 from 5 god c4s, 7.5 from its inbuilt passive
i think that has a max of 7.5

[marsh scroll]

games like it can't have strategy

[sudden pawn]

add digimon to av because it will single handily save av

[thorn tiger]

shit is TOO lazy

[knotty steeple]

The only difference between an atd and a regular td is traits and units

[thorn tiger]

🥀

[keen meteor]

7 flat

[echo depot]

yeah but what are you gonna do lmao, they're supposed to be fast things to make 🥀

[knotty steeple]

You only think that because of the way atds are made

[abstract geode]

so ur including the element buffs?

ion get it

[marsh scroll]

and the amount of units that get added

[keen meteor]

no

[knotty steeple]

Part of the appeal of av in the first place was its unique passives and synergy’s

[keen meteor]

its 7 flat, up to i think 52.5% from just 2nd passive, then another up to 5% from 1st passive

[sick crown]

If it was a game like btd6 it could be a strategic game

[heady hinge]

no
im including this

[prisma ingot]

does Griffith want foo or a 30% sc

[abstract geode]

i know but

how do we get 57.5 from that

[thorn tiger]

i will never agree with the "theyre supposed to be lazy and quick to make!" argument but there is p much nothing to do about it

[abstract geode]

without the element buffs

[keen meteor]

technically its up to +57.5% dmg buff for any element (assuming you have one of each element lol)

[heady hinge]

this element buff

im not talking about c4s

ofc c4s are part of the 57%

[sudden pawn]

I liked av because I didn’t have to wait for a cutscene to go to the next stage

[prisma ingot]

let's hope after anniversary the devs spend their time on polishing the games weaker areas

[sudden pawn]

[keen meteor]

idk who would think otherwise

[marsh scroll]

tds have strategy because every tower is unique and have their uses which lead to people make strats with these towers
in av is impossible because units powercreep others every update

[echo depot]

i mean that is the most fair point you can give lmao, the familiars arent going to be high quality because they're easy to make while they're making anni

[thorn tiger]

vfamiliars are the gateway to more and more slop content but the community doesnt care because of their rerolls and the devs dont care because vfamiliars boost CCU

[abstract geode]

ohh

alright

[keen meteor]

wouldnt it be c3s tho?

[heady hinge]

c4s are better

[marsh scroll]

for example rupture

[heady hinge]

best c3 is like 53%
best c4 is like 57%

[marsh scroll]

av will never have strategy

[keen meteor]

i mean technically? thats even lower chances than c3s tho

[abstract geode]

pvp

[knotty steeple]

Yes eventually power creep will occur like most gacha games but they still find a way to include strategy

[abstract geode]

unless u mean integrated into normal gameplay

[marsh scroll]

pvp

[keen meteor]

getting both 10% AND the right element 5 times in a row? insane

[marsh scroll]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[sudden pawn]

i can do that

[knotty steeple]

Take dokkan for example

Every year the units get powercrept

[heady hinge]

is it
is it a lower chance than 5 max c3s in a row

[sick crown]

That's every gacha game

[knotty steeple]

But u can’t go onto the hardest stage and turn ur brain off you’ll still die

[dim cypress]

They don’t got monarchs tho

[heady hinge]

5/11 chance you get the element you need from the c4s
its not like its that luck dependant

[keen meteor]

one final comment on this, the 2nd part, he doesn't want them to be one gamemode, he wants a unique gamemode for EACH vf, so it would be a net neutral time commitment

[abstract geode]

guys who wants to join my rift

[knotty steeple]

yeah it happens way more clearly on dokkan

[sudden pawn]

no but they have TOP team

[knotty steeple]

Nobody uses year 6’s

[sick crown]

DBL is way worse

[knotty steeple]

I didn’t include dbl bc that game has no strategy

[keen meteor]

what

huh?

[knotty steeple]

games hot ass

[sick crown]

The anniversary units are alr mid

[echo depot]

ah alr, i didnt get that part from his original suggestion, thats kinda stupid then

only like special units like gilgamesh or gogeta should get that treatment ngl

if they were to do that

[sudden pawn]

it does, the strategy is use:ULTRA FRIEZA, ULTRA FRIEZA, ULTRA FRIEZA

and spam green card

[knotty steeple]

wow ur right

[heady hinge]

whats confusing about this

[sleek trail]

Strange cat > birb easily

[abstract geode]

amazing for broly

[keen meteor]

yea thats the part i disagree with the most, having that for every unique VF would just end up delaying the update by another week, which is so much more of a loss in CCU than the current slop we get

[heady hinge]

each c4 gives a element

[knotty steeple]

The strategy is ur credit card!!!!

[abstract geode]

broly guts**

[keen meteor]

its a 1/11 chance 5 seperate times, not a 5/11 chance

[sleek trail]

Got a +35% dps boost for every element for strange cats

[keen meteor]

so its 1/11 * 1/11 etc

[sleek trail]

easily better than birb

[sudden pawn]

I used to play legend then quit bc they made metal cooler hot ass

[abstract geode]

@heady hinge stop

[heady hinge]

no need to do complicated math when majority of ppl prob wont even understand it

[keen meteor]

brother 💔

6.209213231e-06 is the chance btw

of getting 5 c4s of the same element

[sudden pawn]

easy enough

[keen meteor]

not even including the 1/10 chance for it to be +10%

[heady hinge]

and why would you ever want that btw

[sleek trail]

U don’t want the same element tho

[sudden pawn]

G money can you help me pull the dice

[keen meteor]

thats... the only way it'd be better than just getting c3 over and over...

[heady hinge]

you do realize that the c4s dont need to be the same element right

[abstract geode]

whats better for dps farm broly buffed guts or broly buffed aizen

[keen meteor]

c3 over and over would be 52.5% for EVERYTHING, instead of 17% for 5 elements

[heady hinge]

it adds all the % together and applies if the unit is any of the elements

[keen meteor]

WHAT

[sick crown]

Guts

[keen meteor]

i mean still, only 5 elements

not all of them

not even half

[heady hinge]

yea but like just get lucky
its ez

[abstract geode]

i WILl get mvp

[keen meteor]

💀

[sleek trail]

it’s good as fuck if u can get a good roll like this

[heady hinge]

especially for double element units like tengen and sukuna

[sick crown]

Why did you steal my team

[abstract geode]

too lazy to monarch my aizen

[keen meteor]

i mean its still much less than a 5/11 though, thats just diregarding the +% entirely

[sick crown]

Don't spread it btw

[keen meteor]

you could end up geting +15% for 3 elements when you could have had +30%

[sleek trail]

I’ll be surprised if u can out dps the aizen

[abstract geode]

do u max guts and then escanor before 16 wave

or broly

[keen meteor]

thats pretty solid goddamn, if only it wasnt passion and was unbound or smth lol

[sleek trail]

im mainly using it on kaguya tho so it’s fine

[keen meteor]

facts, goated for her

[abstract geode]

ok i might be losing mvp guys

[sick crown]

I Max escanor first then guts, broly gets the rest of the money

[sleek trail]

1.1m with good domain cycle

🙏

[keen meteor]

noob

[heady hinge]

and you could get +25% c3s instead of +50% and end up with only like 21% dmg buff instead of 53

[sudden pawn]

noob

[abstract geode]

i think aizens better for bleach

[sudden pawn]

bleach

[sick crown]

Escanor only rlly puts in the work once u activate his ability

[keen meteor]

i'd prefer +21% everything over +25% of 5 things (disregarding the range stat increase too)

[sudden pawn]

I used to idol bleach

[abstract geode]

im aware its just they cant live long enough

for escanor's burn

i think aizen's better for bleach rift cuz u have more incoem too

so u can fit another dps

cuz i can alr max my broly escanor and guts

in like

18 waves

[keen meteor]

psh

[abstract geode]

and guts expensive ash

not guts

[keen meteor]

get it to a 15 wave team and we'll talk

[abstract geode]

escanor

[abstract geode]

if i had a godroll fairy

[keen meteor]

i'll take my 800k dps 15 wave team over that slop

[abstract geode]

but ive done 50 and i havent gotten one

[sick crown]

That's kinda low

[keen meteor]

with only 1 farm

[abstract geode]

WERE CLIMBING!!

WERE CLIMBING THE RANKS!!

[keen meteor]

thats with having a cleanse and cc lol

[abstract geode]

ok nvm its not even close

[keen meteor]

on top of only 1 farm

[abstract geode]

yeah monarch aizens better for this

ugh i needa shiny my monarch before i can even use him

im not using some poor regular aizen

[sudden pawn]

bias

[sick crown]

Tybw aizen got more aura

[sudden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-gif-6185889320464059346

[sick crown]

Than the butterfly aizen

[prisma ingot]

I gotta get shiny broly, tengen, sukuna and lancer this shiny event

[sudden pawn]

average shiny monarch aizen user vs monarch non shiny aizen

[prisma ingot]

might go for shiny stage drop

Zbot sure wgich

[ashen grail]

Shiny eizan one of the best shiny oat

[prisma ingot]

is shiny event during yhwach rift ?

[abstract geode]

i only run full shiny teams

thats the only reason why

[sick crown]

Lol

Why

[abstract geode]

i dont like being poor

[sick crown]

A unit being monarch shows that

[abstract geode]

no it doesnt

monarch ez

im not using my normal aizen monarch till he becomes that little winged devil

[sick crown]

If you get lucky yeah

I got like 7 monarchs in 3 months

🤑

[acoustic fulcrum]

Yooo ts suggestion is lowk good. I wish they had like a trial unit thing we can use in actual stages. Ex unlike the trial units we currently have, we are given a trial obito with his vf (all z+ stats + traitless) and use him to beat 5 bounty stages. Now i do think the quest is somewhat unique cause of the lord and stuff, but I want to do other legend stages or any stages rather than sand village for the rewards 🥀

[sudden pawn]

to long

[abstract geode]

if dio is shit im spending on aizen

rift mvp farming is so important nowadays

[sudden pawn]

why would dio be shit

[abstract geode]

idk why wouldnt he be

hes a bum

and i hate him

[sick crown]

Why wouldn't you spend ur rr on the Knight

He is gonna be Nr 1

[abstract geode]

cuz the knight is even more of a bum

[sudden pawn]

how

it doesn’t even talk

[abstract geode]

idk i dont like anything people like

[sick crown]

Pyseph is gonna gl@ze him

[echo depot]

dio is going to be on par with all the other anniversary units, so unless they introduce 14+ units to upper meta, i doubt the anniversary units are actually going to be that crazy

i wouldnt doubt that broly + sukuna are still #1 after upd 9

[abstract geode]

who told you that

you FOOL

😡

[echo depot]

pyseph

[abstract geode]

ok sorry

[echo depot]

all of the anni units are on the same level

that includes dio

[abstract geode]

no dio is special

[sick crown]

Wait fr?

[abstract geode]

because hes dio over the heavens

[sick crown]

That's crazy

[abstract geode]

duh

[sudden pawn]

ass over heaven

[echo depot]

unless they're adding 14 units on the same level or above them i doubt it

[abstract geode]

wheres the ss for that

[sick crown]

Might be a good time for me to take a break from AV if that's the case

[sudden pawn]

if ts the case we need to add hero of hell pochita so he’s ass

[abstract geode]

rrs

[sudden pawn]

quick @ PYSEPH

add csm

[abstract geode]

they prob excluded dio just because hes so hyped

[echo depot]

they cant do main characters lol

[abstract geode]

yeah i mean

like

[echo depot]

why would they

[abstract geode]

just put it into context little fella

[sick crown]

Nah, i will save the ones i have rn for an update that is hype

[abstract geode]

😡

[sudden pawn]

aint they adding doom slayer

[abstract geode]

you made it seem like dio was apart of it