I can feel your pain with kaguya but I dont think it needs change 
#Make Shiny Transfer Not Delete The Transferred Units. (Detailed Explanation.)
quaint pond
hearty cliff
teal pasture
its a sacrafice It could go both ways neither or is bad but it is a greedy thing to ask for it to keep the unit
rain egret
Shiny transfer has it's price, and only you are deciding whether to pay or not
hoary widget
4 dumb people ^
clear bronze
acting as if shiny transfer is a necessary feature
if you want monarch on your shiny just roll on that shiny
dumbass
hoary widget
anime vanguardians try critical thinking challenge (goes wrong)
hot crag
if you want monarch on your shiny just roll on that shiny
“If u want the cup for your drink just pay extra” 💔
clear bronze
these mfs dumb as hell😂
hot crag
Mfs ^
hoary widget
acting as if shiny transfer is a necessary feature
shiny transfer is for people who have monarch on a character but pull the shiny later
clear bronze
yall greedy af
hoary widget
because no one’s investing 1500 rerolls into a unit they already have
clear bronze
then get monarch on that shiny you want
shiny does not affect the performance of your unit in any way at all
hoary widget
shiny is pulled at random dumbass
clear bronze
if you want your unit to look good in a match then just
hoary widget
i get shinies when i’m NOT looking for them
clear bronze
get a good trait on the shiny
hoary widget
get a good trait on the shiny
NO ONES GONNA USE REROLLS ON THE SHINY WHEN THEY HAVE MONARCH ON THAT SAME CHARACTER 
READ my posts before responding because you’re making yourself look stupid
clear bronze
then transfer shiny on the monarch
whats so hard to understand
unnecessary feature but you got it
ofc theres gonna be a penalty
greedy ass dude
hoary widget
then transfer shiny on the monarch<:caroline:1263366312944603188>
i had to remind you why shiny transfer exists because you said shiny transfer wasn’t necessary
it’s a good feature because otherwise some people would literally have shinies rotting in their inventory
clear bronze
because you want to use the shiny when it really is just unnecessary.
doesnt impact your unit's stats in any way shape or form
if you want to use your shiny get a trait on the shiny and evolve it
otherwise just use your normal unit if you dont want to use the shiny
like bro
unkempt spade
when i earned both units
Why would u even wanna keep the non shiny
clear bronze
how are mfs so stupid
hot crag
Why would u even wanna keep the non shiny
Trade value if it’s a rare unit like a vanguard
hoary widget
Why would u even wanna keep the non shiny
- i worked for the unit (this alone is a justifiable reason to keep it)
- they’re a limited character
- i want to keep it for collective purposes
- i like both cosmetics
clear bronze
none of these points make any sense btw
if you want both units
keep both units
simple as that
hot crag
none of these points make any sense btw
I think that’s cuz u just can’t read
hoary widget
i’m more active then you
clear bronze
ask for the most useless features then still complain when they get it
unkempt spade
1. i worked for the unit (this alone is a justifiable reason to keep it)
2. they...
But surely if u have the shiny you'll have multiple of the unshiny version unless its like a bp unit which then it makes sense
clear bronze
give me monarch for 0 rrs pls!
hot crag
But surely if u have the shiny you'll have multiple of the unshiny version unles...
Not unless ur specifically shiny hunting it
Most people don’t and get it randomly
atomic pine
ask for the most useless features then still complain when they get it
People are just greedy 😭 its legit just the same thing w the events
hot crag
But surely if u have the shiny you'll have multiple of the unshiny version unles...
Eaither way u wouldn’t want to lose 80 hours of game play
clear bronze
Not unless ur specifically shiny hunting it
if youre shiny hunting
you usually roll on the shiny when you get it
and keep saving your shit for that specific shiny
hot crag
No?
hot crag
U can’t just not roll on a vanguard unit
clear bronze
you very much can
hot crag
Cuz they are high meta and nessecsry for comp game modes
clear bronze
then use the vanguard
shiny isnt necessary for stats
dumb ahh dude
reacting like a hivemind
😂
hot crag
Why does this community have so many rage baiters💔
hot crag
usual low role activities
Bro thinks sitting on discord all day is a flex💔
clear bronze
if i was on discord all day i would not be a white role
after over a year
idk man
hoary widget
People are just greedy 😭 its legit just the same thing w the events
how is it greedy to want to keep the unit i worked for
you don’t know what greed is
unkempt spade
thats just how low roles are
Dude lowk roleist
clear bronze
w speed
atomic pine
how is it greedy to want to keep the unit i worked for
This is greed is it not? You want more then what you are currently given
hot crag
This is greed is it not? You want more then what you are currently given
Is it gready to not want to pay extra for the bun of ur burger
clever bluff
b
clear bronze
gready
clever bluff
these low roles are like a hivemind
ironic
atomic pine
How is it greedy to want a feature that should have already been in the product
Because you want more then what is given- but tbh their should be a reasonable downside to shiny transfer
clever bluff
like 1 role above me
ok
clear bronze
blueberry is reacting to my every message
clever bluff
Because you want more then what is given- but tbh their should be a reasonable d...
neanderthal mindset
hot crag
Because you want more then what is given- but tbh their should be a reasonable d...
Yea and what they gave us is incomplete. I wouldn’t mind a downside to shiny transfer but losing 80+ hours of ur work isn’t a reasonable downside
atomic pine
But I won't complain if that downside gets removed because it would help me✌️
But looking at a non biased standpoint their should be a downside to shiny transfer
clever bluff
But I won't complain if that downside gets removed because it would help me✌️
its a net-positive. everything about shiny transfer is still a negative cuz youre still losing the exclusive units you transferred. Idc if mythic units or secrets get deleted; thats not my point. It shouldn't delete exclusives/tradeable units
thats not greedy to say that
its called being optimal when it comes to value. js because a unit gets deleted doesn't mean the value of the unit is going to go up.
hot crag
But looking at a non biased standpoint their should be a downside to shiny trans...
Ehh I wouldn’t say it’s nessacary but they should atleast change the downside
limpid wagon
the downside should be you need 900 rrs to shiny transfer
clever bluff
the downside should be you need 900 rrs to shiny transfer
wait?
you lwk might be spititn what the hell?
hot crag
the downside should be you need 900 rrs to shiny transfer
Not enough make it 1500
clever bluff
its called being optimal when it comes to value. js because a unit gets deleted ...
and to also add onto this; people aren't transferring shinies en-masses. So that also counters the argument "deleted unit = value goes up". Just ebcause a units pool went from 5000 to 4999, doesnt mean the value goes up.
thats just how basic economy works.
for damn near everything in life.
atomic pine
its a net-positive. everything about shiny transfer is still a negative cuz your...
Net positive is a very odd word to use here but you aren't in the negative if you shiny transfer- say for example you have a shiny kaguya and a normal w monarch if you shiny transfer then you would save yourself rrs- the whole point of shiny transfer being added was to make it easier for ppl to get monarch on shiny units they already have normal on- I won't speak on trading wise because that could go either ways
but like I said already I really don't care if the downside gets added or not- because it would help me to if I was in that scenario I am just saying that in a non biased standpoint their should be a downside
Like 5 million gold or sum idk
clever bluff
there shouldnt be a huge downside as to deleting the unit. the downside is already stakingly cruel. Putting hours into a Vanguard you want shiny and then have it get deleted js because I want to move my cosmetic to a unit i already built?
hot crag
Like 5 million gold or sum idk
5 million gold is only a downside to people that don’t 🥭
hoary widget
Net positive is a very odd word to use here but you aren't in the negative if yo...
bringing kaguya as an exmple when its literally the exact reason why shiny transfer shouldnt delete units
delete that kaguya and thats 80 hours of gameplay erased
atomic pine
5 million gold is only a downside to people that don’t 🥭
If you have been playing this game for a while you should have more then 5 million- I have like 3 million no m and I started like 2 updates ago
clever bluff
so basically im putting all my hours and time into a unit, which to you isnt a downside within itself (odd?) but then to have it get deleted js because i want to use the cosmetic is such a bad downside, I'd rather js not use shiny transfer and let it rot. because im also not spending money, time, or resources into ANOTHER unit I already have, over a cosmetic.
hot crag
If you have been playing this game for a while you should have more then 5 milli...
Do you 🥭?
And tbf two updates ago is like 2 months at this point
clever bluff
I am mobile so I physically cant
so if you got a vanguard shiny, youd be willing to delete it js for the cosmetic on your monarch
atomic pine
so basically im putting all my hours and time into a unit, which to you isnt a d...
Like I said the whole reason for shiny transfer is to make your life easier in the fact that you transfer monarch- so basically what's easier to get monarch or vanguard because that's pretty much the trade
clever bluff
Like I said the whole reason for shiny transfer is to make your life easier in t...
this is such flawed thinking i srsly dont think you know what youre talking about
atomic pine
Not really- all I am saying is that their should be a downside
clever bluff
yeah and deleting the unit shouldnt be it
atomic pine
Then we can agree on that- but like I said I don't really care cuz it would help me to if I ever get in that situation
clever bluff
Imagine your unit getting deleted because you want to change the skin. People are genuinely advocating for that
lmao
hoary widget
51 people to be exact
clever bluff
51 people to be exact
im assuming they js didnt read the suggestion and only the title
give those 51 people an IQ test, the results won't be shocking
elfin coyote
so if you got a vanguard shiny, youd be willing to delete it js for the cosmetic...
Yes, absolutely. Fair tradeoff tbh.
unique linden
we can add an option to “transfer without deleting shiny” for a 10x more expensive price 
elfin coyote
finally, a use for 2 million gold
clever bluff
THE NEW SNEAK
it’s lowkey kinda cool
unique linden
finally we are defending the towers ourselves now
limpid wagon
hoary widget
AURAAAAAAAAA
coral apex
yo i might be tweakin but what if this gun thing is a way to prevent 🥭 gameplay on the new gamemode and how it works is it forces the player to first person and you have to hit some targets in order to continue
hoary widget
i think its part of doom slayer only
I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS
MORE CONTROLLABLE UNITS
coral apex
im expecting the king von sneak from ages ago getting added as a doom slayer skin 👍
hoary widget
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
unique linden
the react doesnt make sense anymore if you think about it deleting shiny units will become an extreme problem for rare units later on when trading comes
elfin coyote
the <:caroline:1263366312944603188> react doesnt make sense anymore if you think...
How so?
It increases the scarcity of units
People trading for shinies are likely doing it because they want to actually use the shiny anyways so it'll be off the market regardless
unique linden
an extremely rare meta vanguard exists, you have two 1 shiny and 1 regular and everyone is dying to get both and u want to trade both for more value
so u transfer the shiny and the vanguard thats extremely rare regardless of shiny gets deleted forever
kind of a loss
u couldve had 2
elfin coyote
That's only a problem for the people who are planning to buy, strip shiny, and flip the unit
Not really a problem for the economy though, it's part of dwindling supply to make it more rare
clever bluff
It increases the scarcity of units
no it doesn’t bro, i already made this point that it does not
people aren’t going to transfer en-masse. Js because 10 people deleted a unit, doesn’t mean the rest of the units value is going up.
No one is going to willingly delete a rare unit just for the cosmetic
like please bro
it’s basic economics
and let’s say someone does delete that rare unit, just because one person did, doesn’t mean the other 4,999 people with that unit will come to a majority agreement to raise the value of the unit js because it’s 4,999 instead of 5,000.
elfin coyote
No one is going to willingly delete a rare unit just for the cosmetic
I feel like a lot of people will
clever bluff
like you’re just blatantly wrong
clever bluff
Because they want to actually use the cosmetically different unit
not if they’re still risking deleting the unit
clever bluff
sorry i meant to say
clever bluff
either way the scarcity will not be enough to fluctuate the value of the unit if people were to delete it
elfin coyote
if I got a shiny kaguya, I'd be cool with deleting it as long as I got the shiny on the main one I use
And a lot of people would do the same
clever bluff
if I got a shiny kaguya, I'd be cool with deleting it as long as I got the shiny...
congrats bro, you’re the minority of people who will do that
the exception shouldn’t be the expected
that’s just not how it works at all
i’m not deleting a rare unit just for a cosmetic, that’s so stupid and it’s not justified at all
like okay cool, you’d do that
great for you
but clearly other people wouldn’t
and since you’re the minority, the minority deleting their unit won’t increase the value of the unit since the majority is unwilling to do so
unique linden
it kind of only makes sense to people when trading comes out
they realize what they are deleting and how much they could get for trading jt
clever bluff
this suggestion is only exclusively made for tradable units
would you seriously delete a unit that had a quantity of 100 just for a cosmetic?
like no bro
no one is doing that
bump bro
humble temple
I js wanna make my mon vergil shiny wout losing the othr one😪 😪 😪
clever bluff
So would a lot of people
yeah you don’t know how economy works
it’s very telling
i’m not even tryna be like 🤓 emoji
but this is basic economics
it won’t increase the value
it’ll stay constant and consistent unless the market for the unit was easily controlled
it’s not worth deleting a low quantity unit if the value for the unit is still going to stay constant
over a cosmetic
elfin coyote
Again, some people don't give a shit about the market and will buy the shiny unit solely to get the cosmetic because they want to flex
Deleting the rare unit makes the supply go down, which in turn, increases its rarity and its value
Like that is literally just basic economics
clever bluff
Deleting the rare unit makes the supply go down, which in turn, increases its ra...
yeah that only applies when its en-masses
js because a few people do it doesnt mean the demand will go up automatically or even at all
clever bluff
Deleting the rare unit makes the supply go down, which in turn, increases its ra...
its not that simple tho lmao
clever bluff
Again, some people don't give a shit about the market and will buy the shiny uni...
a suggestion shouldn't be completely voided because "some" which is the minority btw don't want it
elfin coyote
I feel like a larger portion of the playerbase prefer it this way/don't really give a shit as long as they have the shiny transfer feature
The unit is very intentionally deleted as a design choice
steady elbow
Yeah
unique linden
at this point shiny transfer will just be for lower easy to obtain units only the trading community would never go near it with rarer units
steady elbow
I mean it’s kinda a necessary penalty for transferring a shiny to a non shiny (probably monarch) unit
unique linden
yes for easy units
clever bluff
The unit is very intentionally deleted as a design choice
its a bad design choice. it clearly isnt made for everybody and it genuinely sucks but wtv. clearly i cant change your mind so ima js keep bumping
steady elbow
yes for easy units
all units
clever bluff
I mean it’s kinda a necessary penalty for transferring a shiny to a non shiny (p...
it isnt but im not going to explain myself for the 100th time for people who refuse to listen lol
steady elbow
It gives a reason not to do shiny transfers as well which balances things out
clever bluff
It gives a reason not to do shiny transfers as well which balances things out
there doesnt need to be a reason to stop people from doing shiny transfer when it doesnt hurt anyone
lmao
unique linden
all units
in like 2 years or something if i would ever in my right mind look at my rare unit and ever think of sacrificing it when i could trade it for as much or even more than the shiny would go for at that time something is wrong with me
clever bluff
js cruel penalty for no reason at all
steady elbow
it isnt but im not going to explain myself for the 100th time for people who ref...
Well it’s because your biased towards your ideas
But we all are
clever bluff
Well it’s because your biased towards your ideas
No, im willing to reason and listen
but your logic is flawed
i can counter argue agaisnt your entire point bc everything you have said has been said before and already been proven wrong
its not about opinion
its about facts
theres nothing biased abnout my suggestion
units should not get deleted because of a shiny transfer
steady elbow
Well it balances things out esp for trading if they ever add it in the far far future
clever bluff
if youre agaisnt this, then you should upvote my suggestion that skins should delete units when removing them
steady elbow
far far far future
clever bluff
👍🏽
unique linden
the only thing that matters here is the deleting feature is useless and doesnt change much just make shiny transfer an endgame expensive thing
steady elbow
if youre agaisnt this, then you should upvote my suggestion that skins should de...
Different thing
steady elbow
since skins ≠ units
clever bluff
it’s not a skin, but a variation of a unit
??
clever bluff
a variation of a unit that does nothing for it besides changing the look of it.
which is a
skin.
like what
shinies dont grant hidden buffs.
its a literal cosmetic.
so in that case; skins should also delete units when i take them of
thats your logic
steady elbow
it’s essentially a trade off
clever bluff
there doesnt need to be a trade off
theres nothing unfair or breaking about it
lmao
steady elbow
Shiny transfer = delete your og shiny, in exchange for the shinification of your unit
clever bluff
Shiny transfer = delete your og shiny, in exchange for the shinification of your...
which is a completely useless and contradicting feature
unique linden
bruh it wipes the whole unit from existence
steady elbow
not contradicting at all
clever bluff
not contradicting at all
it is? it gives you a false dilemma
steady elbow
ok why is it contradicting
clever bluff
either you want this skin and you delete it or you let it sit there and let it rot
so in that case
in your OWN logic
skins should delete units
that is literally what youre defending
steady elbow
either you want this skin and you delete it or you let it sit there and let it r...
That’s why you transfer it, no need to let it rot
clever bluff
That’s why you transfer it, no need to let it rot
im not transfering a rare unit for a skin js for it to get deleted lmao
thats the problem
steady elbow
only downside is that you delete it in exchange
clever bluff
only downside is that you delete it in exchange
again. there doesnt need to be a downside.
like what is so hard to comprehend?
steady elbow
im not transfering a rare unit for a skin js for it to get deleted lmao
Well you’re into trading, it kind of makes shinies more valuable
clever bluff
Well you’re into trading, it kind of makes shinies more valuable
no it doesnt because if im transferring the shiny anyways, the value doesnt increase or decrease. it stays the same.
the argument scarcity = value goes up, thats also false.
steady elbow
why is that false
unique linden
no it doesnt because if im transferring the shiny anyways, the value doesnt incr...
yes people are still going to trade it for the same shit even if the number of the unit goes up or down lol
clever bluff
why is that false
if i had a golden banana and a normal banana
i transfer my golden banana onto my normal banana
my post-banana gets deleted
the value will stay constant since 999,999 other people have the banana.
clever bluff
yes people are still going to trade it for the same shit even if the number of t...
exactly why the unit shouldnt get deleted because the value will still stay constant
steady elbow
It balances things out since ppl can’t just spam shiny transfers to triple godly monarch units
clever bluff
thats my entire point
clever bluff
It balances things out since ppl can’t just spam shiny transfers to triple godly...
????
bro what
it doesnt matter?
theres nothing that needs to be balanced cuz it doesnt detriment anything
steady elbow
it means that you HAVE to keep the shiny unit, and grind to get it monarch + good stats
steady elbow
theres nothing that needs to be balanced cuz it doesnt detriment anything
it’s better for trading
clever bluff
it means that you HAVE to keep the shiny unit, and grind to get it monarch + goo...
or... i can transfer the shiny to my normal unit that has all that already.
and since the value stays the same, theres no reason for my unit to get deleted.
its literally js swapping from one skin to another
i like your shoes, you like my shoes
we swap shoes
does the value of our shoes increase or decrease?
no
steady elbow
it kind of reduces the rarity of the shiny unit since there’s always an option to transfer back and forth (if you wanted to)
clever bluff
it stays the fuckin same
clever bluff
it kind of reduces the rarity of the shiny unit since there’s always an option t...
no it DOES NOT BRO
HOLY
yo im being trolled
i cba
steady elbow
Same argument made for transferring stats from monarch units to non monarch units
Should we keep the monarch
clever bluff
then dont bump idgaf
im bumpin ts
you dont know what youre saying bro
cba to bother with you
steady elbow
“I’m open to all opinions” -starts spamming when someone disagrees-
clever bluff
“I’m open to all opinions” -starts spamming when someone disagrees-
no bro youre just ignorant
steady elbow
no bro youre just ignorant
not ignorant
clever bluff
im literally telling you nothing detriments the value of the unit
the value does not change
elfin coyote
if i had a golden banana and a normal banana
i transfer my golden banana onto m...
That is just fundamentally wrong and only works the way you’re thinking it does because you have such a large sample size you’re working with. What about when you have much less bananas and more people are removing them from the market because they’re buying the shiny golden bananas? If you remove even just like 5% of the stock, the value will go up. It might not be by much at first, but that is literally the most basic rule of economics. The more of something there is, the less value it has. Inversely, the less of something there is, the more value is. There are other contextual factors to determining value of course, but this is literally the “supply” of “supply and demand.”
clever bluff
theres nothing unfair about it
clever bluff
That is just fundamentally wrong and only works the way you’re thinking it does ...
unless you can have majority of that sample size come to an agreement that the value of the unit to go up because 20 people deleted, its very much true and im still right?
elfin coyote
No?
elfin coyote
You’re still refusing to acknowledge that supply and demand is practically the core foundation of economics
steady elbow
well o doubt that they’re gonna add this since transferring shinies will always be an option in your suggestion
elfin coyote
And we are talking about the supply aspect
clever bluff
You’re still refusing to acknowledge that supply and demand is practically the c...
No one
is
deleting units
en-masses
steady elbow
if they added this, it would undermine the value of shiny’s
unique linden
people will literally stop deleting the units either way
clever bluff
in an instant
steady elbow
it doesn’t change the value of shiny’s but it’s more psychological in sense
clever bluff
people will not delete their units, especially if its a low quantityy
for
a
skin
i dont care if youre one of those people
i promise you
on everyones SOUL
steady elbow
they aren’t adding this probably
clever bluff
majority of players are NOT doing that
such a high penalty for such a low reward
youre losing value js for a skin
elfin coyote
If I have 10000 units on the market, 100 of them are shiny. Even just 10 people buying shinies to use on their units, the pool now becomes 9990 units with 90 shiny units.
The value of both will increase
steady elbow
such a high penalty for such a low reward
That’s kind of the reason why they’re doing it this way
clever bluff
If I have 10000 units on the market, 100 of them are shiny. Even just 10 people ...
thats not realstic tho because youre in control of the market
elfin coyote
The normal units obviously less than the shiny, because the ratio of units is different
clever bluff
no one is in control of the market for ANY unit
elfin coyote
such a high penalty for such a low reward
A lot of players don’t see it as a high penalty
clever bluff
A lot of players don’t see it as a high penalty
and a lot of players do
elfin coyote
It’s a natural cost and they don’t give two shits if they get their transfer
steady elbow
A lot of players don’t see it as a high penalty
It’s only really a moderately high penalty if they actually add trading
But then again u get a shiny monarch vanguard
clever bluff
its an extremely high penalty for a skin
elfin coyote
thats not realstic tho because youre in control of the market
I’m not though? I’m literally just making an example like you did earlier
clever bluff
But then again u get a shiny monarch vanguard
that i still worked for
js because its shiny doesnt mean its OP
elfin coyote
It’s only really a moderately high penalty if they actually add trading
It will be one day. Whenever it’s finished and tested thoroughly to make sure it works properly
steady elbow
js because its shiny doesnt mean its OP
mostly just cosmetic, but like u said shinies are skins, but shiny’s are like a jillion times rarer
clever bluff
I’m not though? I’m literally just making an example like you did earlier
your sample size only included the units that you have that youre willing to put onto the market.
if we are considering that only YOU have those 100 shinies. You are in control of the market and can set the value however you want.
steady elbow
It will be one day. Whenever it’s finished and tested thoroughly to make sure it...
ye they need to get it perfect
clever bluff
if i had 100 shinies and you had 100 shinies
elfin coyote
Who said it was what I had?
steady elbow
so that there ain’t no dupe glitch that fucks ip the game
clever bluff
you just said you had 100 shinies
elfin coyote
I’m not controlling any market, I’m just stating a theoretical scenario
clever bluff
ok but in your scenario, you are controlling the market since you didnt include anyone else but your own sample size
you can choose what the value is since you have all the shinies
that is literally your OWN scenario
steady elbow
if i had 100 shinies and you had 100 shinies
They made it that way intentionally to make shiny’s “more valuable”, or to give a sense of sacrifice, there is no real difference if they make it the way you said
elfin coyote
Considering shinies are 1% baseline, it’s a roughly accurate theoretical to work with, though shiny hunter and the shiny event would mean that a larger ratio of units in that pool would probably be shiny
steady elbow
or atleast that’s probably the reason they made it that way
clever bluff
if i had 100 shinies, and you 100 shinies, me and you would have to be in a mutual agreement to set what the value should be
steady elbow
same reason why they have the same get up for stat transfers
clever bluff
but these arent realstic scenarios.
elfin coyote
ok but in your scenario, you are controlling the market since you didnt include ...
No shit. I could say you were controlling the market in your banana example because you only included your own sample size then
How else am I supposed to create an example if I don’t come up with some imaginary sample size?
clever bluff
No shit. I could say you were controlling the market in your banana example beca...
i couldve specified that 1,000,000 people had 1 banana, my sample size would still be realistic
elfin coyote
I’m not dictating what their exact value is
steady elbow
transfer mid no stats no trait shiny to a monarch triple godly non shiny, at least quadruple the trade value in theory
clever bluff
They made it that way intentionally to make shiny’s “more valuable”, or to give ...
the shiny units arent the ones being deleted
so your argument is completely voided out
im talking about the base unit
the shiny market for the unit will stay remain the same
elfin coyote
I’m saying they have an arbitrary and imaginary value solely for the purpose of demonstrating that their relative value increases as their respective supply dwindles. I’m not sure why the “supply” part of supply and demand is just flying overhead
clever bluff
there is no technically.
elfin coyote
transfer mid no stats no trait shiny to a monarch triple godly non shiny, at lea...
That’s assuming you’d keep traits and stuff on trade
Which I’d hope you wouldn’t
steady elbow
but it would also make shiny’s seem more easily obtainable, possibly diminishing the value psychologically
clever bluff
I want to keep the base vanguard still without having it risk to be deleted cuz at the end of the day its still a rare unit
deleting a rare unit for a skin is not worth it and there doesnt need to be a cruel penalty for something that wont affect the market or gameplay at all
elfin coyote
The shiny unit market would technically stay the same. But if people are buying shiny units to put the shiny on their main unit, they are almost certainly not going to be trading said shiny away regardless, so technically YES, the market for the shiny unit would decrease.
unborn ermine
deleting a rare unit for a skin is not worth it and there doesnt need to be a cr...
you can choose not to transfer
clever bluff
you can choose not to transfer
this has been said so manyy times yet its been refuted
steady elbow
Yeah
unborn ermine
u cant have everything in the world
steady elbow
this has been said so manyy times yet its been refuted
Refute it then
unborn ermine
sacrifices should be made
clever bluff
Refute it then
no because you can just scroll up
clever bluff
sacrifices should be made
a sacrifice for what exactly
steady elbow
no because you can just scroll up
rn
elfin coyote
It’s just like unusuals in TF2. Some people buy a hat to keep and never trade again and they are effectively off the market forever, despite still technically existing in the space
unborn ermine
-1 to the limited unit count
clever bluff
-1 to the limited unit count
-1 to the unit count and the value still remaining the same? scarcity =/= increased value just because 100 people decided to delete a unit that has a quantity of 5000
prisma dawn
It’s just like unusuals in TF2. Some people buy a hat to keep and never trade ag...
u play tf2?
elfin coyote
u play tf2?
Only MvM, really
prisma dawn
Only MvM, really
i play the roblox version 🥺
steady elbow
If they don’t ever add trading this probably would be a different argument for me
clever bluff
If they don’t ever add trading this probably would be a different argument for m...
if they never add trading this suggestion wouldnt exist
elfin coyote
-1 to the unit count and the value still remaining the same? scarcity =/= increa...
Scarcity literally DOES equate to value, at least partially
Again
clever bluff
Scarcity literally DOES equate to value, at least partially
not when the sample size is so large
elfin coyote
Supply and Demand
unborn ermine
-1 to the unit count and the value still remaining the same? scarcity =/= increa...
-1 to the 5000 count, then for some time, the value of that specific unit would indeed start to increase due to low quantity
steady elbow
not when the sample size is so large
ggs diavolo my beloved
unique linden
what if what random guy decides “oh im going to delete this unit for my shiny” the trading community wont know wont care and will keep trading that unit around for the same value
unborn ermine
would u consider a 5000 quantity limited unit the same value as a 100 quantity limited unit
elfin coyote
It will continue to slowly dwindle, and the price slowly increases. It might not move much if at all at first, but it will eventually
clever bluff
would u consider a 5000 quantity limited unit the same value as a 100 quantity l...
absolutely not, but the sample size of that amount is unrealastic considering how popular AV has been for an entire year
prisma dawn
It will continue to slowly dwindle, and the price slowly increases. It might not...
have u guys tested anything for the new update yet
dude we need new gamemodesssss
i miss them
unborn ermine
absolutely not, but the sample size of that amount is unrealastic considering ho...
its an example chill
clever bluff
i can bet an entire bundle that each unit that has ever existed has at least 10,000 quantity
prisma dawn
that one anniversary event suggestion seems pretty cool
clever bluff
even diavolos
prisma dawn
thatd be sick
elfin coyote
have u guys tested anything for the new update yet
prisma dawn
if its a limited banner
dawn niche
absolutely not, but the sample size of that amount is unrealastic considering ho...
its not unrealistic condering there are units like exclusive broly and octopus
unborn ermine
also smt like shiny subarus
clever bluff
its not unrealistic condering there are units like exclusive broly and octopus
do you know the quantity of them?
clever bluff
also smt like shiny subarus
were not talking about shinies since the shiny value stays constant cuz thats not the unit getting deleted
unique linden
do you know the quantity of them?
even if he does none of them are getting deleted ☠️
prisma dawn
<:samsungshhh:1423377949163257857>
is there endgame content planned
for this update
can u tell us dat
clever bluff
even if he does none of them are getting deleted ☠️
exactly
elfin coyote
they are lb units bro
Speaking of, we should blacklist LB units from shiny transfer 
clever bluff
theres a fixed amount
its like what User said. None of them are getting deleted
elfin coyote
Defeats the purpose of having shiny as a trophy
dawn niche
do you know the quantity of them?
There are less than 100 broly
clever bluff
There are less than 100 broly
and not a single person is going to delete one
😭
js for a skin
elfin coyote
Well yeah, because there’s no reason to
If they have a shiny Broly
It’s just going to sit in their inventory for cosmetic purposes
clever bluff
Well yeah, because there’s no reason to
ok so whats the argument then
prisma dawn
can u tell us dat
🥺 plss not the one
unborn ermine
its like what User said. None of them are getting deleted
ok so none of the shinies are deleted, why are the normal version not getting a raise in value cuz of the decreasing amount in the market
clever bluff
so its unrealstic
elfin coyote
Nobody is transferring on an LB unit to use it because all that matters is owning the unit in the inventory
unique linden
“theres no reason to” BRUH COME ON
clever bluff
ok so none of the shinies are deleted, why are the normal version not getting a ...
because they have such a large sample size
no one is deleting them en-masse
unborn ermine
because they have such a large sample size
no one is deleting them en-masse
we have a huge playerbase
unique linden
god please just let me keep my unit
clever bluff
we have a huge playerbase
absolutely and the majority wouldnt delete a unit such a rare unit for a skin. lmao
elfin coyote
“theres no reason to” BRUH COME ON
What reason would there be to use shiny transfer on an LB unit 
unique linden
What reason would there be to use shiny transfer on an LB unit <:Sob4k:136675203...
what reason would there be to use shiny transfer on a non rare lb unit that has less than 100 people owning it
steady elbow
Ngl if we kept both units it might diminish the value of shinies because of stigma, making them seem less valuable, since we can get a norm unit to monarch and get the shiny later
clever bluff
If you did a poll i promise you my shi would win
unborn ermine
If you did a poll i promise you my shi would win
ofc it would
clever bluff
on YOUR life i would win the poll
prisma dawn
What reason would there be to use shiny transfer on an LB unit <:Sob4k:136675203...
any plans to make shiny transfer between vanguard evos
or nah
unborn ermine
but its not good for the trading market in the long run
elfin coyote
what reason would there be to use shiny transfer on a non rare lb unit that has ...
Because chances are that unit is actually usable and people rolled traits/stats on it? And people want to use the shiny unit in gameplay?
clever bluff
but its not good for the trading market in the long run
this isnt true
well
i cant say its not true
cuz we wont know yet
but you cant say it wont be good either
prisma dawn
any plans to make shiny transfer between vanguard evos
@unborn ermine
clever bluff
like what games?
unborn ermine
lets take AA for an example
unborn ermine
<@402779849472606219>
wdym
clever bluff
they have proven that its true
im assuming AA deleted the transferred unit?
unborn ermine
THEN SAY IDK
ok idk
prisma dawn
im assuming AA deleted the transferred unit?
yes
unborn ermine
im assuming AA deleted the transferred unit?
they delete everything
clever bluff
yeah and how is that good
prisma dawn
people get a purple role and start egoing me
clever bluff
for the market
prisma dawn
😡
clever bluff
lol
elfin coyote
Even stat transfer
clever bluff
atp no one will transfer
low sapphire
Even stat transfers deleted the unit and only had a 50% to work
Hellish
steady elbow
= more valuable to keep the unit instead of transferring
elfin coyote
And transfer only had a 50% chance for each stat
But units could be traded and kept stats in AA, so that was its own sub market basically
prisma dawn
And transfer only had a 50% chance for each stat
are we really taking game design from aa
clever bluff
= more valuable to keep the unit instead of transferring
its not gonna be more valuable because 99% players will js keep the unit if its going to get deleted??
elfin coyote
Fuck no
unborn ermine
for the market
lower quantity bro
elfin coyote
That design was awful
clever bluff
lower quantity bro
ima just assume you think the AV com is fuckin stupid
unborn ermine
That design was awful
real
elfin coyote
They would absolutely delete the spare unit if it meant they got to flex a shiny in game
low sapphire
But units could be traded and kept stats in AA, so that was its own sub market b...
Mfs would be like "sss" stat the unit is now worth double
steady elbow
wait ngl we can forcefully make units rarer
with sacrificing
possible but impossible cuz I ain’t giving yall shit
dawn niche
cuz no way in hell someone is deleting a rare unit js for a cosmetic
How rare are we talking
unborn ermine
Mfs would be like "sss" stat the unit is now worth double<:tsinsanevro:140223598...
yo 5 above avr sss stats 10/20k bundle
🔥
elfin coyote
and would that be more than 50% or less than 50%
Honestly I feel like it could either way. I feel like a majority of players fall into the “I don’t really give a shit one way or the other, I just get to transfer and actually use the shiny now lol”
steady elbow
How rare are we talking
diavolo level
unborn ermine
cuz no way in hell someone is deleting a rare unit js for a cosmetic
IMAGINE u have a monarch kaguya (non shiny), wouldnt u want to trade for a shiny kaguya and transfer it onto ur own monarch kaguya for flex purposes?
clever bluff
How rare are we talking
i believe that Diavolo, Rengoku, Seito, and Rin are the absolute RAREST units in the game. If any unit has "low" quantities it would be them; and even then, they'd still have more than 10K quantity.
and 10K is an extremely large sample size
unborn ermine
bro said rengoku
prisma dawn
i believe that Diavolo, Rengoku, Seito, and Rin are the absolute RAREST units in...
rengoku is not rare
clever bluff
how is Rengoku not rare?
steady elbow
nah rengoku my goat he’s rare
low sapphire
Rin rare
clever bluff
IMAGINE u have a monarch kaguya (non shiny), wouldnt u want to trade for a shiny...
No because the base kaguya is still rare. Why would I delete it if I can get more value from trading it lol
elfin coyote
While the game was still fairly fresh and popular
prisma dawn
how is Rengoku not rare?
it was the update literally right after the release
steady elbow
Prolly his shiny would be more rare
clever bluff
it was the update literally right after the release
it was still extremely hard and people did not like it
uncut matrix
how is Rengoku not rare?
🔥 you tell me
steady elbow
very rare shiny
unborn ermine
No because the base kaguya is still rare. Why would I delete it if I can get mor...
i bet more than half of the community is going to do that
clever bluff
i bet more than half of the community is going to do that
NO THEYRE NOT CUZZO
KIMLY
STOP TROLLING!!!
unborn ermine
im serious
dawn niche
I alr deleted an escanor by transferring his shiny so 
prisma dawn
i bet more than half of the community is going to do that
yeah theyre not bro
steady elbow
Nah I think Dio is rarer tho cuz his update was shit
clever bluff
youre making me rip my skin off bro
steady elbow
I alr deleted an escanor by transferring his shiny so <:shrug:999950766703915079...
Ggs
elfin coyote
Eh
unborn ermine
now ur daydreaming
elfin coyote
Kaguya’s probably not that rare
unique linden
everything will reveal when trading comes ☠️ we’ll see if the random noobs who got rengoku then quit on release and went back to brainrot come back to this game to trade him
prisma dawn
maybe half a birb
low sapphire
God roll for a regular kaguya is insane
dawn niche
Nah y’all are overrating vanguard values unless it’s dia
unborn ermine
the vanguards are not rare at all
clever bluff
the vanguards are not rare at all
i disagree
unborn ermine
i disagree
u are not disagreeing this
elfin coyote
A couple unrolled birbs maybe
dawn niche
Spring with banner pity and 2x events
steady elbow
Nah y’all are overrating vanguard values unless it’s dia
I got diavolo can I get some glaze
elfin coyote
Fuck if I know tho
unborn ermine
theres literally 100k+ of kaguyas and escanors
dawn niche
I got diavolo can I get some glaze
Yes
clever bluff
u are not disagreeing this
brotato chip i believe all vanguards to be rare
steady elbow
nah to the ppl who got shiny diavolo I applaud them
pretty sure the game was dead asf for dandadan
unborn ermine
the only rare vanguard is diavolo
clever bluff
theres literally 100k+ of kaguyas and escanors
did you js leak that there is a serial system for AV?
unborn ermine
did you js leak that there is a serial system for AV?
no
elfin coyote
brotato chip i believe all vanguards to be rare
Gogeta being worth a half eaten rock:
prisma dawn
i mean kaguya was just a harder to get gogeta with less time besides the pity
unborn ermine
u see the ccu bro
dawn niche
I know someone with 40 gogeta super 4
unborn ermine
game ccu isnt 10k when kaguya and escanor dropped
prisma dawn
i mean kaguya was just a harder to get gogeta with less time besides the pity
why did the chest %s decrease
with spring
elfin coyote
why did the chest %s decrease
They did?
prisma dawn
yea
elfin coyote
Huh
steady elbow
but I think gogeta is a lot more common ngl
clever bluff
i have Shiny Seiko and Diavolo, im js lwk waiting to see what their value will be at
elfin coyote
I dunno, maybe someone put the numbers in wrong idk
steady elbow
blud was out for 3-4 months or sm
clever bluff
im never trading my Dia tho
steady elbow
i have Shiny Seiko and Diavolo, im js lwk waiting to see what their value will b...
Shiny diavolo? Or normal diavolo
clever bluff
Shiny diavolo? Or normal diavolo
Normal unfortuantely. Maybe ill trade up for him
Shiny Diavolo so nice
steady elbow
hell nah the people who got shiny diavolo are long gone bruh
dawn niche
Shiny dia is owners choice, whoever has it can set any value they want
prisma dawn
two mikus before the buff
steady elbow
I genuinely never seen one since dandadan to Christmas upd
unborn ermine
what
steady elbow
Ye
clever bluff
like the haruka skin?
steady elbow
Miku was so fuckin rare for no reason
steady elbow
I got diavolo but no miku
prisma dawn
and i got 2 mikus
unique linden
cant wait to trick a random noob into giving me his shiny diavolo
clever bluff
i got Miku skin
prisma dawn
before her rates were buffed
prisma dawn
2% of 1% right
it was not 1%
prisma dawn
i think it was .25 or .5
steady elbow
the exclusives were 1%
clever bluff
i grinded my ass off on that shitty update
prisma dawn
the exclusives were 1%
rly?
steady elbow
ye I’m pretty sure
low sapphire
Rate of miku got giga buffed near the end
clever bluff
cant wait to trick a random noob into giving me his shiny diavolo<:LimitlessRizz...
goodluck bud
prisma dawn
1% are legendaries
steady elbow
Rate of miku got giga buffed near the end
Bruh and I still didn’t get her
steady elbow
Aight guys give me 1 for free
prisma dawn
cuz they cucked the people that got her before the buff
low sapphire
Bruh and I still didn’t get her
L
I have like 20
dawn niche
I have a ton of miku
steady elbow
Slide me 1
dawn niche
steady elbow
Fuck
unborn ermine
how much spent
steady elbow
some guy promised me during Dan da Dan he’d give me Miku since he got 3 (pre buff)
dawn niche
Maybe like 6 or 7 mil
unique linden
does anyone have footage of that ishtar galaxy skin
clever bluff
some guy promised me during Dan da Dan he’d give me Miku since he got 3 (pre buf...
i promised some guy id give him my spare Diego cuz he wanted him really bad
still waiting for him
steady elbow
i promised some guy id give him my spare Diego cuz he wanted him really bad
does that guy still exist
clever bluff
does that guy still exist
i have no idea
i told him im not going to remind him cuz that was his responsibility
steady elbow
Bruh everyone I played with during dandadan are genuinely long gone
clever bluff
but it is waiting for him
steady elbow
60 Patrick’s to 70 stars
clever bluff
ok there 60 patricks
Majority people still want this
dawn niche
67
steady elbow
Gg
clever bluff
67
steady elbow
Delete anime vanguards
unborn ermine
i regret pointing this out
prisma dawn
bro
clever bluff
yo testers
prisma dawn
anime crusaders looks so cool
steady elbow
I’m going to suggest this
clever bluff
make it the 67 brainrot from SAB
steady elbow
And waste everyone who’s going through suggestions time
Nvm I can’t
It won’t let me suggest anymore
clever bluff
67
unkempt spade
making her rarer than the units was just evil bru
i love you testers
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
hollow hinge
suggest to add a 67 unit
wanton thistle
clever bluff
b
elfin coyote
Helps when every counterpoint made is just dismissed anyways 
clever bluff
B
clever bluff
Helps when every counterpoint made is just dismissed anyways <a:ELUX_shrug:88867...
ragebait
smoky hedge
How greedy of a suggestion
coral apex
not greedy if the system is supposed to work like that
like why do we even have to suggest this
it shouldve been implemented as a feature when shiny transfer got added already
but im still grateful that shiny transfer is a thing even if ts suggestion wont ever be added
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
normal mountain
This is a genuinely good suggestion
But of course the hive mind agenda must be pushed
The MUST be reacted with
Every point made was a good one
There should be no counterpoints
Why on earth should I lose a vanguard unit because I’m transferring a purely visual cosmetic from 1 to another
elfin coyote
Because it gives the system some actual cost and weight to trading for shiny variants of units. So that people aren't just buying a unit to strip the paint and then flip the leftover unit.
clever bluff
b
tardy coyote
Because it gives the system some actual cost and weight to trading for shiny var...
I don’t see what’s so bad about that
Some people don’t care about shiny and just want to profit
I also want to add that permanently deleting copies of limited units isn’t very good since some of them are already scarce so there’s really no need to get rid of more
elfin coyote
I also want to add that permanently deleting copies of limited units isn’t very ...
And what happens when something in rare quantity is deleted?
elfin coyote
The supply decreases, making it slightly more valuable, yes.
unique linden
man add this to the game already
clever bluff
b
compact bear
dawg hear me out
when u transfer the shiny
u basicly transfer the whole unit
traits+stats
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
spice cove
This is a dogshit suggestion
hoary widget
This is a dogshit suggestion
ur not real
spice cove
ur not real
hoary widget
<:DankReading:1302792448996806747>
i’d like for you to tell me why transferring a cosmetic to another unit warrants deleting that unit
clever bluff
b
unique linden
i’d like for you to tell me why transferring a cosmetic to another unit warrants...
he enjoys making the game harder for himself and disregarding hours of grinding
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
clever bluff
b
nova crypt
its such a given change 😭 they are wasting time not immediately adding it. watch it a month from now they'll say "we wanted to do it but too many people have already used the old system and lost their limiteds and vanguards to the transfer! changing it now would not be fair to those players"
elfin coyote
Or it's just very deliberately and intentionally made that way and it's not really a "given"
pine ravine
So if I evo a shiny broly and transfer he shiny, the other broly disappears?
normal mountain
The supply decreases, making it slightly more valuable, yes.
Yes this is a BAD thing
elfin coyote
How?
normal mountain
How do you not see this as a bad thing
One of the main reasons shiny transfer was argued against was because of value consistency
Or something like that
They argued about how it would change values for upcoming trading
Now because shiny transfer deletes a unit making that value go up it’s good?
Would that not eventually make it so the base unit is worth more than a shiny?
And if that’s the case what’s the fucking point anymore
elfin coyote
I mean, if people constantly go around trading shinies and constantly transferring them, then yes, in theory you could have more shinies than normals
But that's a batshit insane theory to stand on
normal mountain
There was a similar situation in a game called Sakura stand where a limited spec and that same spec but evolved had 2 completely different values
The unevolved version was worth more because there was less
And everyone evolved it
Making the evo worth less than the unevo
normal mountain
But that's a batshit insane theory to stand on
But it’s not
And it’s very possible
elfin coyote
I feel like there's still context in that situation that influences that, but I don't claim to know anything
normal mountain
People want shinys
🤷🏾
And you shouldn’t have to make a choice between value or a cosmetic change
elfin coyote
But it’s not
If you genuinely think people are going to constantly pass around shinies to transfer and not just buy the shinies for themselves to keep a large portion of the time
then idk what to say atp
elfin coyote
And you shouldn’t have to make a choice between value or a cosmetic change
I mean, I think you should
normal mountain
There’s no way to regulate that
normal mountain
So why should you have to sacrifice for a pure cosmetic change I don’t understand the reasoning
This one of those things AV likes to do where it’s just unnecessarily punishing
elfin coyote
That it WILL happen overtime bro
"yeah lemme just trade for this shiny escanor so i can transfer it and delete the leftovers, and then trade my now shiny escanor away later for no reason after I invested so much into it"
Personally, I don't care one way or another if it deletes the unit or not so long as the transfer is guaranteed
normal mountain
People will trade for a shiny Escanor just to transfer it
elfin coyote
But I think it's a fine cost
normal mountain
And there’s no extra steps that need to be done to impact value
It’s already done
elfin coyote
People will trade for a shiny Escanor just to transfer it
And then you think they're going to trade the resulting shiny escanor that theyve been using afterwards?
normal mountain
No
They won’t
They don’t have to
The damage is ALREADY done
Every transfer harms value they don’t have to trade it away after dude
elfin coyote
normal mountain
The Escanor is gone
elfin coyote
Yes
elfin coyote
Which means there is less supply
normal mountain
Overtime base escanor will become more scarce than a shiny
And will become worth more
elfin coyote
Overtime base escanor will become more scarce than a shiny
That is going to take so unbelievably long to hit that point though
normal mountain
Not really but that’s not even the point
Why is that something people should have to fear at all
That shouldn’t be a situation to expect at any point in the future
normal mountain
That’s the flaw in the transfer delete
If we didn’t have trading it wouldn’t be as much of an issue
Just tedious
But with trading it becomes a genuine problem that if left unchecked WILL heavily impact the community
normal mountain
I just gave you an example where it did happen dude
It’s not a fear or some unrealistic situation
It has happened before
This is my experience in trading I’m speaking with here
And I do ALOT of trading in so many games
elfin coyote
waxen wadi
But with trading it becomes a genuine problem that if left unchecked WILL heavil...
you acting like normal copies of units will worth something
normal mountain
you acting like normal copies of units will worth something
Why would they not be
Especially in the future when the events are gone
This is a bad take
New players will come
And these units will still be meta
Let’s be fr
Kaguya already gone
jolly swallow
Give me fire
elfin coyote
Kaguya already gone
and the normal one will have far less value than the shiny, and that will likely last for a WHILE
clever bluff
b
unique linden
you acting like normal copies of units will worth something
people realize the normal instead of the shiny is easier
to trade for and more worth it in so many games
a lot of people want normal diavolo more than shiny diavolo right now
some shinies just cost too much and take so long to get
clever bluff
b