VF Obtainment/Reruns

[deep scroll]

NO

OH GOD

[dusky totem]

bro WHY is bro searching it

[deep scroll]

WHAT

[half peak]

Unc wyd

[dusky totem]

stop searching it you idiot 🥀

[narrow jetty]

someone ban him

[deep scroll]

BRO I JUST SAW THE THING AT THE TOP TF

[glad bridge]

drain

[regal kraken]

What are we even doing atp

[glad bridge]

why would you do this when kazuma is right there

[deft hazel]

“We”?

[dusky totem]

we were talking about double evos to gilg gng

go back

[narrow jetty]

what

[deft hazel]

Gilga vs Enkidu Vanguard

[glad bridge]

vs

[hazy vine]

vs

[narrow jetty]

vs

[deft hazel]

Gilga with Ea

[dusky totem]

https://tenor.com/view/keith-surprised-fire-burning-book-gif-12249856161946454462

[deep scroll]

BROOOO WHY IS IT BORDERLINE YKKK

[narrow jetty]

gilga and enkidu vs shidou

[deep scroll]

WHAT

[dusky totem]

just stop talking about it bro

[hazy vine]

2 bums 1 goat

[dusky totem]

gilg vs shadow ❗

[glad bridge]

gilga and enkidu vs aba iskander

[regal kraken]

Drain please just close the tab and go back to talking about the suggestion ok

[narrow jetty]

i can't lie
enkidu look cute

[glad bridge]

alr

[half peak]

Cant we just slap mmc on gil

[deep scroll]

its like watching a horrible car crash

[deft hazel]

Yes, like invincible vs conquest

[regal kraken]

Prime Iskander...

[narrow jetty]

mod logs exist drain

im snitching

[regal kraken]

...what was that

[hazy vine]

hes the best master lowkey

[deep scroll]

technically its in context but igh ight

[glad bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoruichi-combo-aba-anime-battle-gif-25768589

[hazy vine]

should be applble ban probably

[half peak]

Prime cu

[hazy vine]

since it was a mistake

[deft hazel]

Thanks fine shyt

[glad bridge]

everyone getting banned

y'all*

[deep scroll]

questionable rizz

[narrow jetty]

i hate her fucking first move

i always forget it have hyper armor

[regal kraken]

He had me genuinely using Shirou just to counter his awakening

[glad bridge]

shirou in 2025

2023

whatever

[deep scroll]

kazuma do myouhave a job

[glad bridge]

nerd

[narrow jetty]

date a live next update

[deep scroll]

why do you react to every single message i make#

[deep scroll]

date a mid

mid a mid

horrible excuse of an anime

please delete

[deft hazel]

Real

[glad bridge]

patrick emoji spam

0%

[narrow jetty]

400k*

date a peak on top

[glad bridge]

400k only when it's digimon

[deep scroll]

why do they look like dxd characters

[glad bridge]

isn't that the guy from hitman reborn

[narrow jetty]

they don't bro what

[regal kraken]

No that's definitely DxD

[deep scroll]

oh wait

[narrow jetty]

LOL

[deep scroll]

they are

💀

[narrow jetty]

small brain

[deep scroll]

they look mid

mid mid mid mid

[narrow jetty]

hop off yoshino

[deep scroll]

generic ass mc

look at him bro

[hazy vine]

holy shit

[narrow jetty]

he is better than shidou

[deep scroll]

blue hair yellow eyes school fit

basic ass

[hazy vine]

murd is spitting fax

[narrow jetty]

bro is playing with fire

[deep scroll]

shidou frrm blue lock?

[half peak]

Ya someone snitch ts bro

[deep scroll]

???

[hazy vine]

speed merchant

[half peak]

Dal disrespect is unforgivable

[deep scroll]

date a peak

peak a peak

[narrow jetty]

the only mid here is origami

[deep scroll]

kurumi is my favourite amnime

[deep scroll]

or character

or whatever

idk

[narrow jetty]

favorite anime?

💀

[glad bridge]

goku

[deep scroll]

why tf do all these obscure girlish type animes have time manipulating women

[half peak]

Saber anime

[deep scroll]

sakuya
homura
kurumi

[regal kraken]

Because time manipulation is cool

[hazy vine]

dude

[narrow jetty]

kurumi does it but cool

[glad bridge]

aint sakuya from a game

[hazy vine]

madoka is mainstream

is like top 5 girls anime

[narrow jetty]

who tf is sakuya

the maid?

[glad bridge]

tohou

[deep scroll]

yes

[glad bridge]

tofu

[hazy vine]

y

[half peak]

Sakuya izayoi 2hu

[deep scroll]

2hu

who calls it that

just say touhou

[half peak]

Me

[glad bridge]

why would they add reimu(ASS) character into av

[deep scroll]

💀

unwarranted hate she's goated for odyssey

[narrow jetty]

yea, they should have added the yellow bitch

[glad bridge]

wow

[deep scroll]

yellow bitch

wow

[narrow jetty]

i mean witch

[deep scroll]

how descriptive

[narrow jetty]

I MEAN WITCH

[deep scroll]

thats a madoka magica character

mami?

[half peak]

marisa

[deep scroll]

bruh

[glad bridge]

ON

[half peak]

Agreement

[narrow jetty]

marisa

yea hrr

[glad bridge]

no

[narrow jetty]

her

[glad bridge]

she's not a witch

she's a shooter

[deep scroll]

fodder

[regal kraken]

Sakuya came from AV duh

[deep scroll]

correct

[narrow jetty]

oc

[sly hollow]

Don’t talk about mami that way

[half peak]

Gil is from aba originally

[deep scroll]

it was kazuma not me

[narrow jetty]

bro what

[deep scroll]

yeah the entire fate anime is from the fate roster in aba

[narrow jetty]

i didn't mean mami

[glad bridge]

gilg had op m1s till they fixed the hitboxes

[regal kraken]

Can't believe AV invented Guilty Gear

[narrow jetty]

still has op m1

[sly hollow]

Fate originated from roblox smh

[glad bridge]

it was 1 fate game

but it died

[deep scroll]

yeah still can't believe they invented dandaan

[glad bridge]

just like lancer in all routes

[half peak]

Nasu predicted gil from 20y before aba released

[sly hollow]

They’re getting dmca’d from their own ip

[glad bridge]

make dio oh a sakuya skin

[narrow jetty]

lancer die aura farming

[deep scroll]

lancer a bum

[glad bridge]

they added lucy from guilty gear

into av

[deep scroll]

my favourite character is uhh

whats his name

the blue haired bitch

[glad bridge]

so helpful

[narrow jetty]

the one from fate zero is

[regal kraken]

Al?

[deep scroll]

blue hair bitch

that got turned into the grail

[glad bridge]

which on

[narrow jetty]

blue hair bitch

bro who

[sly hollow]

Don’t diss roxy

[half peak]

Messed up artoria tho

[deep scroll]

no bruh

blue hair bitch

the fuicking

blueh air bitch

[half peak]

Shinji

[deep scroll]

yeah

shinji

[whole peak]

blue hair evil guy

[narrow jetty]

shinji >>>> sukuna

[deep scroll]

am i wrong tho

[narrow jetty]

you are

shinji is innocent

[deep scroll]

shu up

[glad bridge]

shinji from eva

[deep scroll]

yor ooiin m,/./ whnnn ta

bro wtf

[whole peak]

i dont watch fate

[deep scroll]

i can;t sopel

[whole peak]

i just found that funny

[narrow jetty]

shinji from fate is innocent

[glad bridge]

so is shinji from eva

but we dont talk about it

[deep scroll]

shinji from eva did some bad things

[narrow jetty]

the hospital scene

[deep scroll]

thats not the bad thing hedid

wait no

no

its not the only bad thing

he did

my bad

[glad bridge]

He was pressured

none of that happened

[deep scroll]

my client is innocent

@half peak do i read the fate visual novel

[glad bridge]

Don't summon fbi

[deep scroll]

i heard its good

[narrow jetty]

shinji from eva and innocent in the same sentence

[glad bridge]

he'll give you a essay on why shinji is top tier

[deep scroll]

oh @wintry dagger ...

[narrow jetty]

bro

fuck you

[regal kraken]

I mean he kinda is

[wintry dagger]

He is literally innocent

[deep scroll]

can he justify the hospital scene

[glad bridge]

yes

[narrow jetty]

oh fuck he is here

[deep scroll]

fbi justify the hospital scene

[narrow jetty]

im out

[deep scroll]

i'll be waiting

fbiu

[narrow jetty]

how the fuck you justify the hospital scene

[deep scroll]

these are new

[glad bridge]

who is winning these

[wintry dagger]

Never justified it, thats prob a felony

Ur stupid

[deep scroll]

💀

[narrow jetty]

LOL

[glad bridge]

💀

[wintry dagger]

Grow up

[deep scroll]

folded under 0 pressure

protect ur goat

"innocent" my ass

[wintry dagger]

"Folded" no you said hes not innocent

[half peak]

60h

[deep scroll]

its 60h long?

[half peak]

Iirc

[wintry dagger]

Hes a kid with a fucked up childhood and under insane pressure and in a bad mental state

[deep scroll]

yeah nvm brro

[narrow jetty]

60h is light work

[wintry dagger]

Are you illiterate?

[glad bridge]

Average digimon game

[deep scroll]

mf

[wintry dagger]

Get the fuck out of here

[half peak]

With all 3 routes

[deep scroll]

is he innocent

for doing what he did

in the hospital

answer the question

[wintry dagger]

So are you holding that one scene over his character

[wintry dagger]

Legally or morally

[narrow jetty]

LOO

[deep scroll]

i think its pretty impactful bro

[wintry dagger]

...yeah no

[narrow jetty]

bro what

[deep scroll]

💀

[wintry dagger]

Explain the thematic significance if you think its "impactful"

It is thematically significant but i know your ass doesnt know why

[deep scroll]

the thematic significance of him doing that shit 💔

what could POSSIBLY justify that

[wintry dagger]

Yeah go back to watching bleach

Nobody wants you on good anime

[deep scroll]

????????????????

bleach is catching strays

[wintry dagger]

Yeah cause its abyss media

[deep scroll]

just u gng

[grave roost]

why tf ts got 1306 replies

[glad bridge]

uh

general 3

[deep scroll]

we yapped for like

6-7 hours

[grave roost]

dont yall got jobs or smth 😭

[wintry dagger]

No youll hate morally complex characters

[deep scroll]

"morally complex" ight bro

that scene was the author being freaked out idk what else u want me to tell you

[wintry dagger]

Mf doesnt know what simple words mean

[wintry dagger]

So did you understand evangelion at all?

[sly hollow]

Noone was watching

[wintry dagger]

Alright thats my signal to leave

[deep scroll]

justify the thematic significance of him doing what he did in the hospital, what lead up to it and how it affects his character in the future

u can't because the author was just being freaked out

[wintry dagger]

Idk i read an essay on it

[deep scroll]

bro

you actually read an essay

on

[wintry dagger]

Yes

[deep scroll]

hospital scene shnji

[wintry dagger]

I read and write essays on media

[wintry dagger]

Have you ever read a single piece of literature?

[deep scroll]

can you write one on the hospital scnee

[sly hollow]

Foreshadowing that they’re gonna be married in the future

[whole peak]

we need a vanguard digimon unit like this

[glad bridge]

Shinji in the future will need more than therapy

[wintry dagger]

Thats not even near the worst scene ive ever read

[deep scroll]

💀 bro

[wintry dagger]

Its quite tame

[glad bridge]

we just need digimon

[deep scroll]

yeah u def uhh

be reading them

spicy books

😭

[glad bridge]

Digimons could have a gimmick where they can de-evolve themselves

[sly hollow]

Skill issue

[glad bridge]

and gain buffs

[sly hollow]

Shinji has skill issue

[narrow jetty]

didn't he end with the girl with glasses

[deep scroll]

why are you still on about digimon bro 😭

[glad bridge]

peak

[glad bridge]

idk abt skill issue

[deep scroll]

mental issue

[narrow jetty]

shinji has dad issues

[glad bridge]

he is just a kid

[sly hollow]

A kid who kept whining

[narrow jetty]

i just realize your name is draina and not drainy

[glad bridge]

That's not his fault tho

[deep scroll]

im a d1 draina

[sly hollow]

That is very much his fault

[deep scroll]

i be draining everyone i meet

[sly hollow]

Woah

[solemn tangle]

the goat reborn

[narrow jetty]

gay as hell

[glad bridge]

Shinji is not strong

[sly hollow]

Doesnt mean he gotta whine every time

[half peak]

[sly hollow]

Bro can’t lock in

[narrow jetty]

shinji slander

[glad bridge]

If only the anime contiuned

[narrow jetty]

anime.... reborn

[glad bridge]

I traded for dio oh then left

[deep scroll]

had to make the joke before you did 💔

[glad bridge]

also no

I have no faith in the devs to do digimon right

[quaint knoll]

Or even do digimon

[glad bridge]

yes

[solemn tangle]

the manga is good as well but anime's soundtracks are fire

[whole peak]

again why we need more balancers

instead of just valk

and whoever else

[narrow jetty]

the anniversary update will be a full themed date a live updated with a skin called the knight

[glad bridge]

date a live??

[quaint knoll]

Yes we need andre

[glad bridge]

+90 dmg

[whole peak]

most of the passives feel like theyre made by just valk since alot of units just blend in in terms of passives lately

[glad bridge]

that might be peak tho

[narrow jetty]

peak
best anime ever

[whole peak]

i dunno bruh. they have dev applications open 24/7

[glad bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/date-a-live-kurumi-tokisaki-nightmare-anime-power-gif-17100378

yea arugmon better written

[whole peak]

hell

they could hire me

😼

or even better, hire miso

my goat

[glad bridge]

hire miso for fate updates

then fire them

[narrow jetty]

av downfall confirmed

[whole peak]

yeah fuck you kazuma

miso is the best suggestion maker oat

[narrow jetty]

if they hire you

idgaf about miso

[glad bridge]

give ALL units 40% slow

[whole peak]

bullshit

you reacted to the miso messages

why you lying

[narrow jetty]

did i

[whole peak]

yes

i think you should borrow my glasses

[narrow jetty]

mb then

fixed

[whole peak]

without any justification too

[glad bridge]

make me suggestion mod

[whole peak]

he just reacts with a patrick emoji and says "i hate this"

[glad bridge]

I will save suggestion channel

[whole peak]

ngl

im surprised these dont exist

[narrow jetty]

suggestion mod sound stupid

[whole peak]

theres 3 suggestion channels

all of which are active

[glad bridge]

im not stepping foot into stage suggestions

or wiki

last time I stepped in stage suggestions

ppl got mad cause of a miku vanguard

[sly hollow]

Why

[whole peak]

not like that

[whole peak]

thats

well thats silly

if we're being honest

[glad bridge]

It was 1 guy vs like 30 ppl

[narrow jetty]

since when wiki suggestions is active

[deep scroll]

yeah its silly tho

[glad bridge]

It was silly

but it was for a different reason the arugment happened

[whole peak]

sexualized kid???

[glad bridge]

A weird ass one

[whole peak]

yapping bro 😭

[glad bridge]

yea this

[narrow jetty]

is now full of vf

[whole peak]

miso holds stage suggestions in their palm

and owo

[glad bridge]

i think owo does now

[dusky totem]

andre coming back to save av

[whole peak]

dio over heaven passives:
"dmg +50, spa -10"

[narrow jetty]

fit him

[quaint knoll]

Andre was valk all the time

[whole peak]

🥹

[glad bridge]

yo

😭

[delicate grotto]

What the

that would be so cool

[narrow jetty]

the anniversary update trailer will end saying i come back

[delicate grotto]

I think

[glad bridge]

freddy is coming to av

[sly hollow]

+10% DMG passive on dio oh

[deep scroll]

bump

[glad bridge]

debump

[deep scroll]

ah yep

we get the slop obito familiar, no quest, more bundles and shiny transfer after having it be denied for months

the familiar genuinely added nothing except stat buffs

0 mention of kamui 0 mention of anything sharingan related

they didn't even bother going for the follow-ups this time

[whole peak]

the quest they gave obito is honestly worse than doing odyssey

cant use escanor, i have to actually place obito down, and it takes longer

[sly hollow]

wait there's shiny transfer now?

[strong arrow]

They can work as a wl unit they don’t have the hype to be a vanguard character

Just a flashback character

[dusky totem]

yeah im just gonna say that both of them made it to the anniversary top 10 and leave it at that

[strong arrow]

But hey that shit is really interesting lol

Probably your second best suggestion in my book
First one is cosmic garou

[teal root]

b

[dusky totem]

ty, yeah i really like cosmic garou too

either cosmic garou or yoru

[deep scroll]

b

[warm remnant]

can they add haruka rin in it too

[crimson needle]

loyal players gonna burn down this game if haruka rin is back

[deep scroll]

haruka aint even meta 💀

haruka vf and its gonna be like

what

vtuber mic

+200000% damage for all allies in range

[gusty kiln]

this is an amazing suggestion and Im all for it, however.. From the eyes of the devs, this is just doing more unnessary work that nobody would really care for considering at the end of the day, you're still just grinding for 5 days to get the coins, your solution to the exclusivity problem is amazing, but Im pretty sure end of the day, its only up to i think Kazzy or one of the few owners. The raid units being limited initially was imo a mistake, which got corrected with Cid for the raids and gogeta blue for the dungeon, I doubt that the Av devs responsible for this will allow for these units to become reobtainable with a reward for the people who previously had them, but its definetly a good suggestion which hopefully if it gets enough attention it gets brought up at least

[deep scroll]

thus is the fate of an AV suggestor

hopefully we'll get more than "clear sand village legend stage act 1 with obito 5 times"

[gusty kiln]

Im honestly upset with that shit

All that did

was make it so Now

i have to waste

50 minutes of my time

instead of 25 minutes

[deep scroll]

😭

[gusty kiln]

straight up bs

I cant even

have gilgamesh

in my party

cus if i do

it counts as i used gilgamesh

to clear the stage

its straight up buns

[gusty kiln]

this is peak

[deep scroll]

ii'm pretty sure ur forced to use obito and 5 other legendaries

[gusty kiln]

its beatable with just obito + speedwagon

traitless and D stats

only level 60 is a must

my bum ass obito has ethereal

its "technically" his best trait but i highkey dont care for this unit

unlike tengen or gilgamesh

so im not gonna chase monarch on him

[deep scroll]

oh yeah

is he like eren

[gusty kiln]

kinda

you max one

you can sell the maxed one

place him again

and he is maxed

ehh, like i said

idrc about this unit

[solemn tangle]

nah what u on bro

even if it doesn't reset I don't see how he could be better than the top 5 in upper meta

[deep scroll]

how much damage does obito do

[solemn tangle]

his base is bad

[gusty kiln]

estimated calculation at 450k over 4.5s with 30% burn monarch stats after passives

[grave roost]

yo im not up to current with obito but isnt his familiar kinda op?

[grave roost]

if it does atleast 30k burn on placement isnt it based on how fast can u place spam him

[solemn tangle]

i read somewhere about 130k dps iirc

[gusty kiln]

yea its with the burn

[solemn tangle]

need to wait 10 seconds for the free stuff

[gusty kiln]

we will see in 4 days

[grave roost]

what if u just set a macaroni to place/sell him as fast as possible to abuse his placement burn?

[deep scroll]

what

OH GOD

NO

NO

[gusty kiln]

you first gota farm but yea lmao

[solemn tangle]

didn't nether say it has a 10 second cap

[deep scroll]

hibana and obito is gonna be the worst combination of the century

💀

[gusty kiln]

honestly what they SHOULD have done

is just given him a gogeta ssj4 tp

[deep scroll]

30% burn that gets reapplied like 50 times over

[deep scroll]

they should just evolved him lets be real

[gusty kiln]

"We want double evos to be special"

[grave roost]

if it does then he might be pretty bad

[solemn tangle]

it's not written I could be wrong but i read this from a tester

[grave roost]

10 sec is a lot

[solemn tangle]

let me search rq

[gusty kiln]

wdym

[solemn tangle]

the free upgrades

[gusty kiln]

ahhh, thats interesting

[deep scroll]

stupid excuse ngl

they just being lazy

[gusty kiln]

just give him a gogeta vanguard tp and call it a day 💔

[deep scroll]

no it doesn't

[gusty kiln]

cus thats essentially what they gave him

[deep scroll]

as if vfs aren't doing the same exact thing but sloppier

[gusty kiln]

Wow i just realized

[gusty kiln]

Gogeta vanguard got powercrept by obito 😭

[deep scroll]

why are you excusing the laziness of the devs

why do people suddenly start caring about the dev's time when it comes to justifying slop

[grave roost]

so u can accidentaly have to upgrade him to max again?

[deep scroll]

as if an evolution in a naruto update wouldn't do numbers

[solemn tangle]

yes

[gusty kiln]

update 12.5 mark your calendar is the next double evo update

[grave roost]

that is so bad bruh they should atleast given a visual que

[deep scroll]

use your head for a second and decipher how it is related

then announce a double evo at some point instead of releasing slop

takes an hour if we're being generous

they don't give a damn

[solemn tangle]

yeah i agree

would be too busted

[deep scroll]

they did this for sukuna

as if 5 stages is engaging daily

[grave roost]

labor still considered engaging 😭

[deep scroll]

???

boost engagement =/= healthy for the game

by those standards steal a brainrot is the marvel of the century 😭

the way they're currently implemented isn't healthy

read #1420853604499329054

and does "doing numbers" = good game

oh my god bro

are you dense

[grave roost]

yea but take into consideration that the playerbase of gag and steal a brainrot is for children

[deep scroll]

that shit is a content and money farm for toddlers

[grave roost]

the playerbase of av as seen in the pool is mostly made up of teens

[deep scroll]

you're suggesting av should go down the same path for "engagement"

So its right for AV to turn into a money farm?

They could rebrand right now and turn into Blox Fruits 2.0 and earn a shit ton more but sure

[dire coral]

It's bcz of these people that all this shit games are popular

[deep scroll]

use that noggin of yours

[grave roost]

again the majority of av playerbase are teens it wont work like brainrot games which are made for children

[dire coral]

They act think gag and Sab are good games

Just bcz of people want it

[grave roost]

u cant action a strategy based on 1 group and hope it will work for the others aswell

[dire coral]

Player engagement ≠ good game

In rblx

[deep scroll]

=

💀

no

a game can be objectively bad or good in certain aspects

and the overall amount of bad/good aspects define if its good or not

[dire coral]

Yo dude this game is abt stealing "brain rots" ain't it fire cuz of big number it pulls

There are certain factors that qualify a good game

[deep scroll]

not even

[dire coral]

But isn't it the perspective

U see that it's pulling numbers

So that means it's good

Perspective

[deep scroll]

Yeah, its fun to toddlers because its mind-numbing

It is neither a spectacle of development in terms of quality or content

The only thing it has is engagement bait dragged to high hell

[dire coral]

But that doesn't mean the game is good if people say it's fun

[copper mauve]

Why rerun limited units? Just say you didnt get them

[deep scroll]

Why buff limited units and not give anyone else means to get them?

[copper mauve]

cause its limited?

Players who grinded for those limited units should feel their effort still matters. Buffing keeps them relevant instead of letting them rot. Plus that takes away the point of making them limited

[deep scroll]

If you're going to give them a VF (which is basically a rework lets face it) and then forbid the rest of the community from ever getting them you limit the potential of the familiar. They've already said it "can't be good since its for a limited"

[copper mauve]

That logic’s kind of backwards though. If they didn’t give the limited a VF, then it really would just sit in the dustbin forever and have zero potential. Giving it a VF doesn’t hurt the game — it makes old units relevant again for the people who earned them when they were out.

[copper mauve]

Turning old limiteds into secrets or rerunning them defeats the whole point of “limited.” If they can always come back in another form, then the term “limited” loses meaning entirely, and the trust of collectors who value exclusivity gets broken. This also makes trading pointless.

Making shinies unobtainable or swapping in skins doesn’t actually solve the problem either — the unit itself is what matters most to people, not just cosmetics. Skins are nice, but they don’t carry the same weight as having the unit when it was originally available.

Plus, part of the appeal of live-service games is FOMO. Limiteds create hype in the moment, which helps the game stay alive. If players believe “everything will come back eventually,” there’s no urgency to play during events or banners. That hurts engagement in the long run.

Buffing or giving VFs to limiteds isn’t unfair; it’s simply rewarding those who were active at the right time. That exclusivity is exactly what makes them special.

[deep scroll]

They're limited for a reason? They're not meant to be meta-defining or "good" after aging like every other unit - If you're going to buff them anyway, rerunning them for the aforementioned reasons is better

[copper mauve]

They’re limited for a reason — not every unit is supposed to stay meta-defining forever. The whole design of limiteds is that they age out like other units, but remain a trophy for players who got them at the time.

If devs decide to buff them, that doesn’t automatically mean they should rerun them. The buff is about respecting past investment and making sure older units aren’t just dead weight, not about reopening access. Rerunning every buffed limited would basically erase the value of having them in the first place.

Exclusivity is part of what drives engagement and makes people show up during those events. If players knew they’d always come back eventually, the word “limited” would lose all meaning, and so would the excitement of having something rare.

your literal argument is players that didnt get them should have them just because they got a buff

which literally makes no sense

Only people that would agree with you would be people that never got the unit in the first place

AND the units were originally not that difficult to obtain so that literally ruins their value

Guess we should also rerun Diavolo then? Or maybe we should also rerun all WL units?

when Diavolo got a buff NOBODY complained

about making him exclusive

[deep scroll]

1. If they are going to receive a buff, thats a given. They should either retain trading value by staying limited & outdated or get buffed and reran.

2. The skin is going to have the same rarity as the unit itself. Boo-hoo if they preferred the old unit, making the meta straight up unobtainable is stupid. There are a thousand more characters that deserve more rep than a unit nobody can get

3. I'm saying this for if they're going to receive a buff.

4. Rewarding those who were "active at the right time"? Why on earth should units whose only purpose is trading value also be unable to leave the meta because they'll receive buffs the moment they do?

[deep scroll]

1. I agree

2. They are meant to be dead weight other than for the purpose of collection or trading. If they are being returned to the meta then its stupid to deny other people access to that character.

3. Yes. Don't buff them then.

[copper mauve]

Counterargument:
Your arguement is the exclusive units that did get buffed should be rerun as they shouldn't be "meta straight up unobtainable is stupid". Yet you literally are making yourself look stupid when you said (Image Above). They aren't meta? Gilgamesh Familiar didnt make him "op". He is usable. Not meta.

[deep scroll]

He is literally in the meta tier

[copper mauve]

Okay rerun all vanguards then?

Rerun all WL units?

[deep scroll]

????????????

If they receive a buff that makes them meta again then do it

[grave roost]

Rerunning every buffed limited would basically erase the value of having them in the first place.
Exclusivity is part of what drives engagement and makes people show up during those events
That exclusivity is exactly what makes them special.

• so a skin as compensation fixes things up no?

not every unit is supposed to stay meta-defining forever. The whole design of limiteds is that they age out like other units

• but that meta-defining fracture could cause an advantage for people just for ... playing in a period of time? that is unfair by itself reward or not

[copper mauve]

And there we go

[deep scroll]

The whole design of limiteds is that they age out like other units, but remain a trophy for players who got them at the time.
Buffing them ruins that design

[copper mauve]

Well I won't argue with you anymore,

since you just admitted to that

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hey-hello-wave-anime-gif-18611007

[deep scroll]

What part of that is invalid

[hexed ibex]

Give hakura rin her long promised kamehameha

[deep scroll]

i don't think this was ever promised brro

[hexed ibex]

Wait a minute

This suggestion is missing his slow mode

[deep scroll]

no no

don't do that

if anyone is to be punished its @copper mauve they started everything

[grave roost]

actually its that guy who's name i wont say

[deep scroll]

the one who shall not be named

[sacred imp]

Cd is gone

[deep scroll]

💀

[grave roost]

its a sin to do so

[deep scroll]

voldemort type shi

[rotund patio]

u guys acc moved here 😭😭

[deep scroll]

yes bro 💀

[oblique mango]

Good

[deep scroll]

gilgamesh glaze knows no bounds

[dire coral]

Yes the goat gilagames5

[half peak]

GILGASHIT!!!!!!!

[deep scroll]

unwarranted hate 💔

[deep scroll]

😭

[stable olive]

monarch is much better

eth kinda useless

[gusty kiln]

It's like, you saw me saying "It's technically his best trait" and that hurt your ego so much, you felt compelled to correct me, everyone knows monarch is better, it's cost effectiveness is off the charts

You ignored me saying that I don't care about the unit that much and felt compelled to tell me regardless that monarch is his best trait

[stable olive]

well your saying “eth is technically his best trait” when it isnt

[gusty kiln]

And your ego got bruised that badly that you HAD to correct me

Grow a pair

Genuinely

[stable olive]

waffling lol

how is my ego hurt

???

[oblique mango]

Text wall over 2 messages💀

[deep scroll]

💔

[deep scroll]

dragging it 😭

[deep scroll]

🔥

[deep scroll]

VF Obtainment/Reruns

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mm..mmm.

[whole peak]

what does this mean

[deep scroll]

mmmm....

[lunar dome]

13 idiots who cant let the imaginary "value" the unit has in their head go

[oblique mango]

like bro

what value

trading isnt even in yet

and when it is

barely anything will have actual value

[narrow jetty]

dude

[deep scroll]

what

[narrow jetty]

never post that again

[deep scroll]

nah

[delicate maple]

Yall know it aint gonna happen

These suggestions always have some sort of disaproval

Which is enough to not consider it

Just add trading already devs

Best solution oat 🙏

[deep scroll]

trading isn't a solution to shitty mechanics

[narrow jetty]

vanguard familiars moment

[deep scroll]

dragging it

[narrow jetty]

50% bleed and 40% cleave

also reruns

[whole peak]

nobody would gaf about reruns for old ass exclusive units

[river plume]

I bet Diavolo owners would riot

[whole peak]

i did not mean diavolo

i mean rengoku toji gilgamesh and diego

[narrow jetty]

if you talk about value then yea nobody will care but you don't just rerun a unit that was show and present as limited

[whole peak]

make untradeable secret versions

problem solved

and if they get an evolution you can also evolve the exclusive version

[narrow jetty]

problem solved

[narrow jetty]

not talking about trading

they were show as limited

if they get a rerun then you saying that anything can get a rerun

because limited means shit

the bare minimum is respect the rarity they have and not rerun them

[whole peak]

never said this

but i wouldnt care if im being real

[narrow jetty]

you don't

we all know they won't have any value but keeping them limited is the bare minimum

and they shouldn't get vf aswell

because that is stupid as fuck

[deep scroll]

we got an amazing ownership/dev team

[whole peak]

i’m so fucking scared

[deep scroll]

pyseph got you trembling 😭

[river plume]

Watch him change his mind once the ccu drops below 20k again

[oblique mango]

'Intentional"

[deep scroll]

i have half a mind to write a ten paragraphs in a suggestion but also i'm realising that it probably wont mean anything

but then again we got shiny transfer off of that one other suggestion so who mknows

we've been getting a lot of anti-vf-slop suggestions recently

[whole peak]

can they just drop the update man i can’t take it anymore 😔

[deep scroll]

update quest for each new unit gonna be:
clear 25 stages with guts on your team (doom slayer quest)
clear 25 stages with skull knight on your team (hollow knight quest)

oh and u get 20 currency daily and u need 200 currency to buy then

[teal root]

intentionally going down the slop pipeline

anything for that daily ccu boost

[deep scroll]

and yet they're STILL getting gapped by als

[deft hazel]

Als W comeback

Fr

Av is the new slop

[little sable]

These rerun suggestions should be banned.
Too many useless ones

[whole peak]